How Do People Vanish Without A Trace? A Few Case Studies
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2023
- This video covers the cases of Gregory Monroe, Tatum Morell, and Raymond Jones. Looking at these cases can teach us about situations that completely stifle search efforts and lead to people "vanishing without a trace".
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As an owner of a scent dog, I'd advice anyone who hikes and wants to be found by sniffer dogs, to make regular bodily contact with your environment and rub some sweat on tree barks, grasses or stones. If you don't leave any bodily fluids on your trail and the only form of contact with your environment is through the soles of your shoes, then your scent lingers only in the air, which can easily be blown away by the wind.
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This may sound weird..lol...but when I'm alone hiking I tie a bout a 5 foot rope to the bottom of my backpack. Now its not just any rope its one that a month before I would go hiking I would carry it with me .sleep with it, touch it the last couple feet while sweating. Its drenched in my scent. So I tie it to the back of my back pack and let it drag behind me...for obvious reasons u will know!!
If you’re a woman camping alone, I’d advise against going during that time of the month, because sis, the whole forest will know you’re there.
But they can smell decaying flesh
Then there are some political figures that we just cannot get rid of for good, quick enough. Just sayin.
I have come across 2 old wells while hunting over the years. In both cases the well opening was even with the ground and you couldn't see them until you were right in front of them. One in particular was just wide enough for a grown man and at least 30 feet deep. Gave me the chills when I realized how close I was to stepping in it. It's always made me wonder how many missing people were at the bottom of an old well or mine shaft
I ran into one of those at age 16 reported it to landowner and showed him where it was a mile and a half off the road. The family had no idea. I was lucky I saw it.
I wonder if there was anybody in the bottom of the ones you found.
@CalmMoon-ln4uy I don't know on mine and doubt it was ever checked.
Within 20 miles of where I live, there are many, many unmarked, nearly invisible mine shafts. Barely covered by trees, or bushes, I’ve nearly stumbled into 2 of them because I stupidly approached the area after dark (16yrs old) with my equally stupid bf… when large rocks (5-7 pounds each) were thrown in, we couldn’t hear them hit bottom. I’ve never been back because it’s very unsettling to even drive up that road. Even before my experience with those shafts. I’m absolutely convinced there is a body in one of them… although I can’t prove that, it’s inexplicable but I had never before and only one time since had the same feeling. The second time, it was my neighbor who passed away… creepy sh**…
Idk why but the honesty of your comment made me laugh. “So there we were, me (stupid) and my boyfriend (also stupid) exploring the area after dark…”
Myself and my girlfriend found the body of a neighbor who disappeared 14 months ago behind our house face down in a stream two week ago. He was in just a few acres of woods that had been heavily searched to no avail. I myself had been in that spot and missed him somehow a few times. He blended in well in his decompose state so i know for a fact that is much easier than you would think for a body to go overlooked. Im in Rockport Maine so look it up if you want. His name was Jared.
These experiences are life chaging for outdoor adventure
Thank you for your comment. I went and looked up Jared in Rockport and found the Facebook page dedicated to him. I read the posts and clicked the link to the news post on his discovery. It was so sad to read comments from friends and loved ones, hoping he would be found alive. Was there any cause of death determined in his case? Did you personally know him? I bet that was traumatic finding his body like that.
I live in Midcoast Maine too. I work in Rockport.
I love that area. For 30 years I visited relatives in New Harbor, and my favorite day-trip was to Camden. I'd stop at Moody's for Whoopie PIes, drive up to see the Farnsworth occasionally, get sandwiches and coffee downtown Camden, go spend 3-5 hours at Laite Beach, and hike up Megunticook. It's a gorgeous area. I was married in Alna. Sorry to hear about your neighbor --- I'll look the case up.
The smell of a decomposing human is unmistakable and vile .
I absolutely would love more of the "not-411' cases. Very interesting and informative for those involved in searches.
411 cases are just straight up bullshit, first off why the heck would aliens continually come to Earth? Why would a tall homeless man and his family constantly kidnap people? I mean look the overly hairy ape like people did exist and they had kids so….
Many people simply like to believe is mysteries, which is not to say that the latter category is inexistent.
@@Aristos_Achaion non-existent🙃
yes now most think all are missing cases like this, but that's sadly not true! would like to hear what this guy would have to say about that person that went missing during a ski hike with friends and was found weeks later in California in full ski dress, he can't remember anything!
@@Ezekiel903and the little kid that was found on a mountain and done it at night in the pitch dark. I think bear grillz even tried it himself and said it was impossible for the kid to do it. Some cases are extremely weird I’m not saying all of them are but some yes.
The prime takeaway that I always get from cases where a lone hiker goes missing is this: it is very risky to go out into the wilderness by yourself, no matter what your experience level is. And, thank you for another great video.
And even if there are 2 people, never split up, because for sure, one will go missing!
As the case of Kenny Veach proves. He was used to hiking the desert where he lived and had been out many many times....but one day, he goes out and doesn't come back. (Mind you, his disappearance IS kind of odd in itself, in that before he goes missing, he goes looking for a cave he found that gave him the willies,but can't find it again, and when he makes a concerted effort to track it down, THEN he goes missing ...). But he was not unfamiliar with the area in which he hiked. Who knows what kind of thing he came across...?
@@johannaholmgren8088 probably an abandoned mineshaft. From what I remember, that area had mines.
@@johannaholmgren8088 I don't find his case to be odd in any way. I think he just fell into a shaft and his remains are yet to be discovered. And with so many abandoned mines his remains will probably never be found. Too many dangers there to go looking.
@@johannaholmgren8088 According to Kenny’s ex girlfriend he probably killed himself. He was depressed and in financial difficulty.
The Raymond Jones story brings something from my own experiences to mind. In the 70's I hiked to a lake in the Cascades that is so distant from roads that people actually fly to it, like they do in Alaska. I lost the trail on the way but continued across country, with map and compass. Turned out to be tougher than expected and part of my route was about halfway up a cliff on a ledge that narrowed to a foot or less midway. In that spot, a slab of rock that had fallen and lodged on edge, on the ledge, blocked my way. It seemed solidly in place so I grabbed the top of it and swung around. At the center of my move the slab came back along with me and for a moment the two of us were delicately balanced on the cliff. Then it settled back again and I went on around it. If it had tipped back just a little more I'd have fallen 75 feet with the slab landing on top of me, and I was far from any place people would expect me to be. No excuse for being stupid and there's a fine line between stupid and fearless.
It sounds like you're 1 f'n lucky dude. That's a way-cool scary hike!
You're lucky to be alive. Damn!
What hike or trail is this? Spent most of my hikes in the Olympics but did a few cascade ones
Re: the "there's a fine line between stupid and fearless".
What would your father have called it? 😊
Most 'fathers' can be a sons worst critic. Lol I know what mine would've said "what the bleeping bleep you out there for in the first place? an' why you think it's safe to be on your own? etc, etc. Lol
Dad, had I ever told him this, would have said "That's jest stoopid!" but I tend to think of it more as foolish. Should have had more sense. Should have gone the long way around. Won't ever do that again. It's the people who don't learn from experience that are stupid. @@TeddyBear-ii4yc
@@JimmyTH101 must've been related to mine! 😉
I've hiked and backpacked all over the country, and something I've learned is you never know what can go wrong out there, and often, it's something you would never expect. Just last week I was hiking in Wyoming, I was walking along navigating around brush, and from out of nowhere, a branch hit me smack in the face so hard it knocked me over. I'm guessing I somehow stepped on another part of the tree, which dislodged the branch from somewhere else. When I fell, I landed right next to a small cliff edge. If I had have fell a couple of feet I would be dead. I have many instances of stuff like this happening. No matter how experienced you are there are always things that can go wrong. I've also stepped in sinkholes that would have 100 percent swallowed small kids
Please PLEASE bring someone with you, or have a way for others to find you! I'm sure that you have people that care about you and would be heartbroken if they couldn't find you. I'm a Mom and a Grandma and I would be worried sick for your safety. We don't travel through this life alone and every relationship is a gift.
Makes me think of something that happened while I was hiking with my sister and nieces last year on the Niagara Escarpment. (A lovely bit of Ontario between Toronto and Niagara Falls, where glacial debris scooped out from the formation of the Great Lakes has created some very nice terrain full of cliffs, waterfalls, and gorgeous hiking trails through the forest.) We were on a short winter hike, all well dressed for the weather, and not going on a particularly hard trail, since the girls were 9 and 11, and it was snowing lightly, maybe -5C, so not too cold, if you're moving. Suddenly one of my boots hit a tiny patch of ice on the trail that everyone else had missed - it was probably under the snow - and I went down hard. Hard enough to crack my tailbone and knock the wind out of me. It was a lucky fall though, because my my head came down maybe 2" from a very big, sharp rock at the side of the trail. If I'd hit that rock while hiking alone, I'd have been dead. Head injuries in sub-zero temperatures? Easy way to die alone. Since then I haven't hiked alone once. Unexpected stuff happens, and even what seems like the simplest circumstances can turn into a wake up call.
@thing_under_the_stairs one step or one foot can be the the difference between life and death out in the wild.
@@nomaderic Absolutely! My sister and bro-in-law have a terrifying story of getting lost in the jungle in Mexico (where they live for most of the year), because they hadn't known that their usual trail had been washed away by a recent hurricane, and all their landmarks had been messed around by the storm! They eventually managed to find their way back to town by following the sound of the ocean, but they were a mess - cut up from thorns, dehydrated, bitten by every insect *except* the very venomous scorpions in the area, and needing treatment for a sprained ankle and scrapes and scratches that would end up with some nasty infections. *THEN* they found out that the area is also a jaguar conservation area! I wanted to slap her over the phone when she told me about it - did she forget everything we learned in Scouts? At least check that your trail *still exists* before you head out!
@@nomadericI was walking a normal roadside during the fall and stepped into a deep driveway culvert covered with leaves up to ground level. I am shocked I didn't at least break or sprain my ankle.
What I love most about this channel is that it's just "spooky" enough to inflame your imagination and contemplate what mysterious and strange things could have occurred, while also being grounded in reality, skeptical of the wild and outlandish claims many are quick to jump to, and respectful to the people involved.
_"...while also being grounded in reality, skeptical of the wild and outlandish claims many are quick to jump to..."_
That's exactly what I appreciate about this channel. Many other channels, that are still otherwise enjoyable for the most part, often leave me cringing or rolling my eyes once they start giving obvious biased credence towards outlandish claims and theories.
@@donnydogpiss4533 That's what drives me nuts about the whole missing 411 fad. I'm pretty open minded, but leaving out details, skewing facts, and jumping to unwarranted conclusions, acting like just because someone is an "outdoorsman" or there's inconsistences in a case, that it's more likely they were abducted by aliens or kidnapped by bigfoot than just succumbed to nature (or any other dangerous humans roaming the woods) is ridiculous and doesn't really help anyone.
I've started watching cave exploring videos on UA-cam andthats where ithink those that were never found ended up.
David "missing 411" Paulides 👀
Missing 411 seems to operate on the belief that scent dogs are infallible demigods, search parties always look in the right place, people dying of exposure never do anything to seek warmth, and animals don't exist except bigfoot. Ridiculous nonsense.
A number of years ago an elderly lady in our county wandered away from her house. Many, many people turned out to help search for her, but no luck. Some 10 years later her remains were found, way outside of what everyone thought would have been possible. It turned out that she had actually been gone longer than what was reported. She walked way farther than anyone knew.
That's an insane story
@@cainmathewson1857 but also complete feasible, realistic, and maybe even more common than we’d like to admit
With the first few bits of info, I thought you were going talk about the lady that was found months/years later in the shrubbery near her house.
I can't find the case & don't remember which channel or video tho & it's bugging me.
I've never seen it listed on the internet. The other odd thing was that her body was found not real far from a major highway. She just ran out of energy and luck. Another 50 yards and someone on the highway would have seen her. Like I said, it turned out that she had been gone far longer than the family realized and our search area was way too small.
I think about this when people disappear like maybe they wanted to and the reason no one can find them is because they have to trek in and trek out and they account for that, but the person who may have gone in to end their life got way further because they never planned on coming out. Therefore getting further than searchers do or are willing to go
Great video. When i was about 7-8 years old, i went to a trip to the forest with my parents. We came across a paramo or valley, it was just grass or bushes. I started running around with my brothers when i literallh saw my younger brother being sucked into the ground. It was a hidden small cave, he was small enough to fit. Luckily he managed to grab onto some branches and we got help from our dad. Crazy story, but i think that would be at least one possible explanation to people vanishing in a matter of second/minutes while being close to a companion.
That's so scary! Yes, things could be very different if someone fell into a small natural cave and hit their head.
In another UA-cam video, I once read an 'anectodal' account of such things happening in the Alaskan wilderness - Which is being affected by the permafrost melting. One gentleman described walking 'off road' in the wilderness... When he literally fell into a small sinkhole which was covered with grass, and therefore, not visible. Fortunately, he fell in only up to his chest and was able to pull himself out. It is frightening to imagine.
One has to wonder how may others may have 'vanished' this way. It is certainly possible.
That’s insane!
How scary I'm glad you saved him
@@thepartysjustbegun5557 it was mostly my Dad. I was too young and not strong enough to pull him back. But yeah, if that hole woulda been deeper or if my brother wouldnt grabbed those roots, coulda been way worse
Julian Sands was eventually found: he was ON the trail he was thought to have been on, but at a part of it that searchers had not been able to penetrate earlier. He was apparently outfitted in the wrong gear for the conditions, but I didn't look into that.
He did it on purpose. The storm was predicted and announced well in advance. Look at pictures of him taken just before, there is deep sadness and pain in his eyes.
Rock slides and falls are common. As an old field geologist, I've seen rocks slides that would have killed someone had they been beneath it. And sometimes, hikers start their own slide.
I was climbing on steep mountain slope and leaned briefly on a rock the size of a refrigerator.
When I pushed off, the rock fell and started a huge rockslide - thankfully no one was below us.
That is scary! I guess it shows that rocks are not so solid as they appear.
Thank you for this. I hate the sensationalism of these missing cases. The wilderness is a force to be reckoned with and unfortunately people fail to understand how easily you can go missing for perfectly natural reasons.
It's also not rational to assume for most missing humans that something other than they went missing because they died falling whatever. The possibility of getting killed by beasts and monsters is higher. The mountain lion I don't know if it could rip a hole in me now.
@IsraelCountryCube most animals don't view humans as food and stay away from us. Sure some people are killed by animals, but those cases are uncommon. Usually animals only come after us after we are dead.
I agree. I mean, not knowing what happened exactly gives rein to the imagination. I think god gave us imagination that way so we can imagine things that will help us find people when we don’t know, but people let them run wild in unlikely and unhelpful ways because it entertains them instead. The Maura Murray case has gone this way. I’ve always thought people don’t look closely enough at the most likely possibility: that she fled the scene of a car accident to evade drunk driving arrest, and that drunk and attempting to conceal herself on purpose she ended up somewhere where she couldn’t take care of herself or find her way back and died of exposure or an injury, or both. A nefarious kidnapping sounds so much more thrilling to people, though. But those people aren’t really trying to track her down, or they’d care about the most likely scenario more than the least likely but most glamorous possibility. That story about the well shaft goes to show how many weird freak things can befall you that don’t require murderers or aliens and bigfoot. Thank you for making this point. It’s a good one!
When a person goes out into the Wilderness ALL BY THEMSELVES, they make a bad situation even worse. You should never go out into a national park alone. The Earth can be treacherous and it doesn't care how experienced someone is if it wants to swallow you up it will. And when it does is best to have a group of people go searching for help so you can be found.
@daniellemaroney2931 The most dangerous predator is man. National parks perfect for people wanting to do bad thing to other. Most I feel are over confident and get lost or hurt. But some we just can't explain so who knows.
As an avid hiker, I completely get people going missing in National parks several times I’ve been underprepared for a hike and most national parks I head to have absolutely no signal. Get lost in those woods, forget to bring water, or injure yourself and you are completely out of luck.
Exactly they can have 100-200 people lookin for you and still not find out. The backwoods is so massive, you can easily go missing & not found.
@@_nick_d What about the people who go missing with people around them?
Yup. I live in the backwoods, and constantly warn hikers and campers to stay on clear, well marked, well traveled trails. Most of them are wealthy city types who look at me with condescension, and say sure buddy. Perhaps if you encounter gruff bearded guy in worn camo warning you about the mountains, you might want to listen.
@@bubblesdelight Such as?
@@deerichardz Trenny Gibson 1976; Thelma Melton 1981, both Great Smoky Mountains.
In the early '70s my family lived in south east Alaska. My father and some friends had a regular hunting group of 6-8 men who would go out together in groups of 3-5 on any given hunt. Four of them, not including my father, took a boat down the coast a bit one time to hunt a valley that came down to the shore. Each man went to a different section of the valley and they were to meet back at the shore by the boat at a designated time. The individual was hunting closest to the shore on one side of the valley shot a deer near the time that he should have turned back toward the meeting point, and his deer ran up the mountain and over the ridge. By the time he found it, he was running late for the meeting and he decided to go down the valley he was in, then back along the shore to the meeting point. There was about a foot of fresh powdery snow, and it was mid afternoon so starting to get dark. Night comes early in Alaska in late fall. As he was dragging his deer toward the beach at dusk a branch knocked his glasses off into the snow and he was unable to find them. At this point he decided to abandon the deer and make for the beach because he could hear the wave on the shore, he thought that the group could go get it once they were together. In the near dark, without his glasses he walked off a 30 foot cliff and landed on some rocks on the shore. He was lying there with a broken leg amongst the rocks and his rifle was shattered so he couldn't fire off shots for the others to find him. He also could see the high tide line on the rocks above him. The rest of the hunting party gurssed, correctly, that he had gone over the ridge and down to the shore so they left one person at the meeting point and the other two took the boat and travelled down the shore on side that he had been hunting. They would go a bit, shut off the boat and yell then go a bit further. When they got close to where he fell, he was able yell loud enough to be found.
If he had been unconscious or too injured or his partners hadn't known him well enough to predict where he would head, he could have drowned on the beach and never been found.
I remember that night specifically because there was a gathering planned that included all of the families in the group, and everyone was exceptionally tense as the hunting group was several hours overdue.
My grandfather was a professional hunter in Montana and Idaho. He knew his stuff.
His rifle was the very powerful .33 Winchester, a very hard hitter.
Later he got married and homestead in Wisconsin during the Great Depression. He hunted then and hunted to feed his family when Monet was short.
In 1934 or 35 he shot a deer. With a shot in the chest from this big gun no deer could go far. Yet my grandfather lost that deer.
The next year big forest fires lit up the north woods. My grandfather went out to fight them. Behind a fallen log where he had shot his deer he found his lost game. It had run less then ten yards but still and experienced woodsman lost it
While I like supernatural stories I never gave credence to vanished without a trace stories
People who ALMOST go missing are sometimes more interesting than actual missing persons cases!
The key is that one clue. There's been quite a few others that went unknown for years. Like one of German tourists who went on vacation in California... and drove on rough roads in a rental car not designed for off-road use. If not for the rental car being found... it's possible they would have been lost for much longer than they were.
It was a simple tragedy. German family man wanted to have the vacation of a lifetime, but barely had money to fly to the US. So figured that the best thing would be sightseeing... and he chose the SW desert... since Germany doesn't have terrain like that. However, despite his best efforts, and he seemingly was quite skilled here, the vehicle he rented was unable to handled the rough roads, and broke down miles in the desert. they tried walking to civilization... but didn't know the area, and ended up dying in the middle of nowhere over a mile from the car. If not for the car being found... searchers would have had no idea where to even start looking.
Very logical annecdote..but I find the 'almosts" the most interesting as well..an 🎉unproportional ammounrt seem to adolescents as well..which being the most ignorant & vulnerable of all shouldn't they be being found alive at atleast the same rate as other ages much less more often..theres deff something g to this and other aspects I sgree
At first I thought you're coming but going to say people that almost commenting on moron but I like that comment better😂
if they tell their story, sure. But the ones we dont hear from make it hard to speculate what happened.
That's how we got so many season of "I Shouldn't Be Alive" and it's various spin-offs!
Thank you, my brother died in a hunting accident in Western Montana with weird circumstances and I've often wondered what happened and then literally just a few weeks ago my husband gave me the most plausible explanation I've heard and it clicked. Made complete sense, I can't imagine the added burden to some families of not even knowing where the body is. 😢
May I ask what your husband suggested that clicked with you? Apologies for your brother as well, R.I.P.
You cant leave us hanging on that mysterious note!
Yeah, really
His left wrist was cut, but he was left handed and it never made sense, but the area is rocky and my husband said he probably fell and put his hands down to catch himself. He died from partial blood loss and partial hypothermia.
@@mrs.johnson9104 so so sorry to hear. Not to sound brash but I've noticed that the good ones are taken way too soon. I think it's because God wants to spare them for what's coming. We can all feel that something horrible is going to happen soon. It must be hard not knowing what exactly happened.
I really appreciate you making this video. As a family member of someone who went missing whose remains were found years later, these cases always hit home for me. It can be frustrating to hear people speculate about paranormal explanations when most of the time there’s a very sad, sometimes mundane, but almost always heartbreaking explanation once the body is found, even if there’s still a bit of a mystery as to why or how it happened.
I feel many people have gotten too comfortable thinking that conspiratorial thinking is “thinking outside the box”, but when so many people blame aliens or UFOs, it starts to feel less creative and more-so like a cop-out of critical thinking and logical deductions.
Thank you for making this video and sharing these cases.
I f oh r one didn’t believe in being from space. But Iv had two petrifying experiences that changed that fit me. 100% there’s more to us humans and this universe more then we possibly no. As k say I didn’t believe in any of it. Till then. Very scary seeing and feeling a little being in my room. In what felt like a rubber suit. For some reason tho I have a feeling it was a robot within the suit. I don’t no why I feel this. But it’s a strong feeling. Iv no idea how it walked through my solid walks an glass door. Very crazy
Sorry for what you went through. It must be a symptom of how out of touch with nature we have become that so many can hear about someone missing in the wild and conclude the most probable explanation will involve ufos and cryptids. I’ve never heard a tale whose details made me resort to these explanations.
How logical and down-to-earth you are.
@@Laters3did it hurt you? Was it agressive.
I hope your family member is living a good life up there.
FINALLY, someone with common sense explores the Missing 411! Well done, sir!
Right? I've heard a few too many theories about bigfoot when it comes to these, people like Missing Enigma are much needed.
Fr. All the time it's just like 'they were an experienced outdoorsman,' 'they were no stranger to inclement weather/the elements,' and clearly whoever makes those videos and focuses on that isn't outdoors very often. On one hand, experience matters, but on the other hand the more your outside, the higher the chances of something happening, and there's always overconfidence. Some things experience cannot help with. Or like the 'vanished without a trace' when it can be just really hard to trace people, especially since they tend to go missing in rough conditions, not to mention the fact that some cops are just lazy
Greg's story is tragic. In my opinion, when these stories are written off as alien abductions or universe slips, it makes a very real human tragedy into a spectacle, which is disrespectful. Thank you for spreading awareness.
Agreed it’s a slap in the face to the family
I agree completely.👍
This is basically why I do call out Paulides, and his fans. Eventually, on the newer cases, someone will legally challenge him, starting with a 'cease and desist' order.
@NICK D but what if it's the family that thinks its an alien abduction or universe slip?
@@deerichardz except paulides also investigates cases that really do baffle the mind. like when dogs have a scent that suddenly gos cold, or the person is found in an area that he or she could not possibly have gotten to on there own. like a 2 year old being found high up on a ledge or 3 men tied together and the person in the middle simply vanishes with the rope and knot still intact.
hes not doing this out of maliciosnous and is baffled that the national parks service doesnt have a registry or list of the missing that they will divulge unless millions are paid to them. remember , he was confronted by fellow law enforcement and asked if he could spare some time to look into these cases.
Also why would familys be mad at him for trying to spread awareness of there lost loved one? hes not being paid by these familys.
That first story is interesting. What the heck is a well doing in the middle of all that barren landscape? It reminded me of something that a former boyfriend told me, years ago, an incident that happened to him. He grew up in Alabama, and was walking through the woods one day when suddenly he fell through the ground cover and ended up flat on his back in a deep ditch! Luckily, he wasn't injured much, only stunned, and he was looking up at the kudzu vines that had completely obscured this gulley. Kudzu was imported from Japan and it grows rampant down south, killing swaths of forest by blocking the sunlight. Imagine falling into a hole and hitting your head on a rock. The kudzu would soon cover your remains and if the searchers missed you, you might never be found. There are loads of ways that a person can disappear in the wilderness.
I remember one year it snowed particularly heavily for my area in England.
I was walking through the fields with my friend and suddenly he wasn't stood next to me. He'd fallen straight down about 10 feet into a ditch that was entirely covered with a "bridge" of snow! He was laughing his head off, but at the bottom was about 2 and a half feet of water! I had to help him out, he was totally stuck.
He was soaked through up to his waist and freezing cold, by the time we got home he was blue! Cold to the bone.
If he was alone and turned an ankle or something, he'd never have made it out.
Somebody lived there years ago and the only thing which still remained is the old well.
There is a "reverse" case near the town where I live. It is called Golden Well and it is supposed to be an old well in the forest in a place where people lived like 100 or more years ago. There is supposed to be a treasure hidden in the well according to a local legend.
My brother and me tried to find the well, but we found literally everything else, like the remnants of the house or cottage where the last inhabitants lived, some garden plants in the forest next to the remnants of the building, the path leading from the building to the well...but the well itsef is completely covered with mud and plants growing over it now.
I've made many drives on I-10 between Lake City and Mobile. The kudzu is everywhere.
The southern California desert lands received plenty of attention during the pioneer gold rush days. There are many places there where people briefly lived in the past, but then moved on. Resources were scarce, so the remains of a homestead could pretty much vanish because other people would take the wood, scrap metal, etc to build other things elsewhere. The area also gets wildfires alot, which of course easily burn old wood left from the past. I also used to live in southeast Texas. The woods are so dense there with vines and brush, it is like a jungle. A person could easily disappear in there and never be found again.
@@Mouse_Metal Get up there, uncover it and chuck a magnet down it asap!
Everytime I watch one of your videos, all I can think is: "Thank God there is someone making content that can look at it with objectivity, common sense and with a basis in reality." The missing 411 enigma isn't much of an enigma when you look at the fact that the factors that qualify them to be part of the missing 411 sensation are the exact factors that cause them to go missing. Remote locations, bad weather, difficult to search terrain, etc. You factor in the human element which is ridiculously prone to error and the mystery becomes much less of an enigma and much more likely explained simply: misadventure by human error. So, again thank you. You are proof that amazing content can be made without sensationalizing and dare I say, fictionalizing.
He uses critical thinking and is encouraging others to do the same. It's like water in the desert to me.
David Paulides can`t be trusted. He`s a COP, just always keep that in mind, and cops are very sneaky, dishonest, trained liars. I saw what the training did to people I was once great friends with. Now they`ll sell you out and set you up and have become worse than the common scam artists on the streets. They`d set up their own moms now! The BIG BUST is all they live for and they no longer care about morals and who they destroy to gain points.
Our 200 acre property in Kentucky had a hidden 60ft well shaft covered by brush.
4 wheelers had been trespassing, and using one area as a 'race track' . They actually wore down the ground cover, and one of their tires became wedged in a 'hole'. The old well shaft is now marked, boarded up, and locked.
Great job with this one. Bit of a bittersweet ending to the Raymond Jones story. At least his wife found out what happened after all those years and perhaps just in time for her to be able to comprehend it.
I've been in a german K9 unit for over 13 years and would have never assumed paranormal causes for the vanishing of people. Sometimes there are simple but very unexpected causes like an old woman vanishing from her old people home in a mountain area, leaving her rollator walker behind. Without it she could barely walk, was said. All possible areas were searched. She was found the next day by hikers on the other side of a mountain out of the search area. She had to be rescued out of the wall by the mountain rescue.
And never expect dogs to be universal remedy . A fully trained and experienced free searching sar dog can walk by and miss a person by just 1 meter/3 feet, because the wind comes from the wrong direction and blows the scent of the person away from the dog.
There is also a big difference between living and dead people. A SAR dog which isn't trained to find human remains, will not be able to find dead bodies, only living people. And the period of time a body changes its sent after deceasing is short.
Excellent points! Thank you for sharing your experiences and perspective.
im curious, what wall was the old lady in?
... wtf how did she end up do far?
@@Subject_Keter I worked in a nursing home and one of our "wheelchair bound" clients was out in the backyard in her wheelchair, sat out there for hours numerous times before and loved it, never a problem. One day she asked the nurse who was sitting with her for a glass of water and when the nurse turned back, there was just an empty wheelchair. The woman, who NONE of us knew could walk, hiked down a very steep hill, across a road and down to the lake 1/2 mile away!! Weird stuff happens. It was as if, in her dementia, she forgot she "couldn't" walk, and so she went on a half-mile hike!
People give way too much credit to dog's, the scenting conditions have to be perfect. Just because the wind is blowing in your direction doesn't mean it's not blowing the opposite way a few hundred yards away. Not to mention thermals in mountainous areas.
Reminds me of the young man who got stuck in the chimney of an abandoned house... I'd bet not one person involved in that case had imagined that possibility. I'd bet none of the people who *read* about his case imagined that possibility. I sure wouldn't have. As usual, great video. Thanks!!
I worked with dogs in the military and with some search and rescues around east TN and NC. Just because 100 searchers with dogs don’t find anything doesn’t mean that the missing person isn’t dead just a few feet away from a searcher or something bizarre happens like sink holes, they try to get up under a tree or debris and die there and can’t be seen.
One of things that people never talk about are the rocks falling down the mountains when the spring thaw starts. Every year when I backpack I hear the rocks falling during June/July thaw.
Another stat that people delve into is the fact that something like 60% of missing cases are suicides or attempting it. When they find the body but clam up how they die that was a suicide. You can tell because they usually say good bye by leaving something behind that is easy to find. This can be confusing because finding something that was left behind is quite common on most cases. It would have to be something different like a cell phone left on a rock and nothing else. People don't want to be found and you usually won't be found. Hence leaving a small thing out easy to find and identify who owned it.
When my relative that went missing it took nearly a week to find the body. They actually found his camera first. The thought was he was on the cliff and the wind may have made him lose his balance, Basically weather is never discussed in the form of wind killing somebody. Blowing things down on you and or off something.
Personal story was the time I was walking down a trail and I could hear this gunfire. I couldn't figure out why any body would be doing that. After rounding the bend I started looking for the source of the sound. I looked up and I saw what was happening I turned around and took off back around the corner as massive tree came down behind me.
One time I was walking along the edge of our local wilderness late in the year. It was a damp foggy day with small amount of snow on the ground. I hiked in as far as i wanted turned around and followed my tracks back. There was a spot where I came went across the ground were it was bare. I turned right and started looking for my trail. Nothing. So I walked the 20 feet back to were I started and looked around to my left. Nothing. Then I went back to my right but still nothing. So I went to the left for 15 minutes. Came on some tracks after looking closely (nobody is out there) I confirmed that they were mine. Okay now how would you know which is in and which is out. Easy I always walk on top of my tracks so the tracks on top were the out tracks. Again turned left and 20 feet later I was back were i started. This time I went to the right which I thought that was how I came into the area and yep walking 4 feet further than I had before there was my tracks again. My vehicle was over a mile away parked along the road with 360 degrees of wondering off in any direction. If there was no indication which direction I went which direction do you start the search.
There is a trail head that I will park at and walk from there cross country over a ridge into another area. Again where would you start the search.
Now for me I put on 1000 miles of hiking a year pending on conditions. Backpack upwards of 35 days in a year. Been in the woods for 53 years camping, firewood cutting, hiking, backpacking, mountain bikes, building trails, and food harvesting. The forest service ranger knows me. There is an area that is forbidden to enter because of it being a watershed hence the reason why they patrol heavily and being out there all the time we run into each other all the time. He knows where I'm at most of the time because of optics.
With that said I live in area that is that has quite a few of those bigfoot sightings. Never seen one. Wolves, Bears, Cougars, Bobcats, Deer, Moose, and elk yes, I have one bear that knows who I am and she generally won't run away she usually walks away briskly. There was the one day I had two sows with cubs within just feet of me in fact one cub (because of the tall grass it couldn't see were it was going) run up to me.
After all these years never had anything paranormal. As a Christian you play with satan he will terrify you. Everything has an explanation out there. There is no secret cave complex where secret beings or animals live that abduct people. Yes I have been to my fair share of box canyons where they end and there is nothing there. I have spent some very long days in the woods when there is nothing moving and it is all foggy ( so dense I couldn't see 10 feet in front of me) and nothing happens. It is very quiet because sound doesn't travel in fog. Snow, rain, and sunshine wind or no wind there is no surprises from anything paranormal period.
@The Missing Enigma,
Your commentary reminds me of what Sherlock Holmes would say:
"It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Greg’s story is truly a nightmare way to leave this world. It’s painful to just imagine what he experienced.
Awful to imagine. Lots of very weird amphibians down there 🤢
It would have taken a long time, too.
Thank you for covering this topic. Geraldine Largay's story is another excellent example of this thing you are pointing out. She was missing for two years, and during that time there were plenty of people with ideas about the paranormal and conspiracy theories or cryptids who were convinced of their opinions. Until her body was found along with a journal she'd written during her ordeal. And as it turns out, she simply got lost in the woods while trying to use the bathroom and she ended up in a very densely vegetated place that was very difficult for searchers and their dogs to discover, and they missed it. So what happened was she just sat out there all by herself, day after day, for at least 20 days waiting for rescuers that never came until she slowly died of starvation, and there was no boogeyman who got her. She just made a simple mistake at the wrong place and time and it resulted in the end of her life, very tragically. What I think is strange is how fast humans have forgotten the massive dangers of the wilderness and now look at it as like some kind of playground where you can go to totally relax and not have a care in the world and not pay attention to what you're doing. It's no wonder that people, especially today, go missing out there. There are so many things that can kill you out there as a human on this planet, who really needs bigfoot? I also think that if such creatures existed someone would have come up with a body part with DNA in it by now. In the end, if you really want truth, Occam's Razor is your friend.
This is a great video. The story of Greg Monroe is such a classic example of how the unexpected can happen to solo hikers and campers--unexpected things the victim could never have prepared for and search and rescue can't be expected to account for. And which lend themselves to strange paranormal theories by armchair speculators. I think the rush to believe in a paranormal experience is rooted in a strong desire by some people to understand a complex situation that scares them, or to suggest a paranormal explanation to support their desperate faith in the otherwise fantastic or mythological. The mundane reality is that solo camping and hiking, especially in mountains and deserts, is extremely dangerous. Most people underestimate the power of a sprained ankle to turn a misstep into a tragedy. And there are scary predators out there--humans, big cats, wolves, and poisonous snakes--that are far more proficient killers than Sasquatch or Mothman. I do believe in the possibility of spiritual or cryptid explanations but most missing person cases are not that mysterious to those who have spent time in the wilderness and are sensitive to the dangers. A flat rocky wilderness in the Mojave desert is a recipe for disorientation and dehydration for even the most experienced hikers. And the Western Deserts have a surprisingly large number of old wells and mine shafts that will swallow a person up in a second of lapsed attention.
I was taking photos of a waterfall in Washington's Cascade mountains a few years ago and somehow managed to find a hole between two large rocks. Thankfully only one leg went in and I caught myself with an arm to stop the fall. It was amusing in the aftermath because other than a couple bruises, it must have been comical to see me suddenly halfway vanish into some boulders. But I was alone and I hadn't told anyone where I was. A broken ankle or falling deeper into that hole could have been far worse. I still go out by myself but I do have a friend who knows where I'm going on adventures now.
Bring a spot or some other sort of plb, and set tracking on it. Your friend will have your location every 15 minutes or whatever interval
As soon as you described Tatum Morrell's circumstances, Julian Sands was the first person I thought of. That's likely exactly how he will be found, when/if he ever is actually found, sadly. I liked his performances. It's a shame about both of them. Particularly her being so young. May they both RIP and hopefully his remains get found, as hers did, so his family can get some closure on it. I appreciate seeing these cases being treated respectfully..
Yes, I agree that it’s a possibility due to the avalanches at the time of Julian’s disappearance, that he too may be lay covered by rocks. It’s very sad whenever anyone goes missing, it’s the unknown that causes more pain in my opinion. I met Julian a few times because of my connection to his brother Jeremy and wife Moira. I recall him visiting with Jeremy when I was staying with him and he had just wrapped up ‘Arachnophobia’ . Julian arrived with his son Henry to bring a special edition watch that was only available to cast and crew of the movie and he gifted one to Jeremy’s son, Martin who was ecstatic. Julian never forgot his roots and loved to roam the wild Yorkshire moors . RIP Julian
Update. His body was found.
@@99somerville The inevitable outcome finally arrived. Glad his family can at least have the closure they need..
I had never actually seen Missing Enigma's face before, and I am strangely comforted to know that he looks exactly like I pictured him in my head.
11:10 - Just had to note you were spot on about Julian Sands as well. Similar demise to the others in rugged terrain, found by subsequent hikers, but cause of death not fully determined.
Omg I truly hope Greg didn’t suffer too much. That is horrifying
Thank you for putting this together and being a voice of reason amidst a sea of wild speculation and hype. I was involved in the search for a missing hiker back in February in the Bankhead National Forest , and after searching for 3 days I became keenly aware of how a person can go missing without a trace in the wilderness.
Did you find them?
@@colekimball4945 a lad u in the usa
@@baz5707 I am. Texas
Was the person found?
Excellent report as always. The 1958 case brings to mind Mallory and Irvine who disappeared while climbing Mount Everest in 1924. It is only a few years ago that one body was found where it has been laying for 100 years. The other body is still missing.
Wouldn’t be surprised if some piece of the missing person is with some tourists. Tourist in the area have been known to steal human remains like at Rupnook lake (I think that is the name) which is basically a large graveyard of a site with 2 groups from different times dying at the spot. The older group is well known in the local mythos as being killed by the goddess of the mountain while the more newer group is more of a mystery. Unfortunately due to as I mentioned tourists desecrating these remains and stealing them the site is in danger of becoming lost
Despite only having watched this single video, I nonetheless quickly signed up. It was gratifying and compelling that the creator approaches these missing people cases with a _level-headed, unsensational_ and _pragmatic_ mindset. Too many times have I been initially intrigued by the storytelling, just to be completely turned off 10 minutes in as the story suddenly nosedives into the compulsory and predictable paranormal rabbit hole. Looking forward to next episode. *Kudos.*
Amazing work! Just goes to show that just because we don't have all of the info, it does not mean that some sort of paranormal event happened.
Exactly. All the people profiting from 411 sensationalism should be ashamed
@@m0rianne I remember a map of underground caves and rivers overlaid onto a map of Missing 411 cases and the big clusters fit almost perfectly with these features. If true, that's probably the explanation. Add to the fact that land/rockslides, avalanches and quicksand exist. Nature can delete us any moment and leave no trace of us.
I would say a lot of these missing cases are similar to Greg’s. Stump holes, wells, old mines, even sinkholes are possible. It would explain dogs not finding scent too.
all it would take is a slippery hole between two rocks just over a foot wide and you could get stuck and suffocate and never be found. Trying to find such an opening in a mountainous wooded are is like trying to find a needle shaped like a strand of hay in a hay stack surrounded by other hay stacks.
I recall the case of a bloke here in the UK who went rabbit hunting. He "vanished without a trace" too until 3 days later when they found him stuck face-first in a rabbit hole. If he didn't have the dog with him he would never have been found.
Well, I lived in a very rural area, and there are a lot of Bad Actors. I had neighbors that never worked, but went out at night, driving beat-up vehicles and coming back with new vehicles. They'd also always have a lot of trash bags that they'd take out during the mornings. And, they seemed to get a lot of money, every once in a while, after changing plates on those cars.
@@PoeLemicWell, it's pretty obvious what they're into lol.
The level of attention to detail you put in these accounts is astonishing. Never pushing one singular theory or phenomenon as a reason for the account, just the facts w extensive detail and flawless narration. Artwork too is excellent.
I don’t understand hiking out alone into treacherously rough areas. This seems to be a common theme to many of these cases.
This is an excellent video and the fact that you point out that why a person who goes missing may not be found for weeks/months/years (if ever) is like a breath of fresh air. As kids, my siblings and i used go climbing up into the hills surrounding our home all the time. They werent mountains, because there were no sharp drops or huge cliffs; but there were chasms. There were drops, which you could fall off if you werent careful. There were also rattlesnake dens, usually quite easy to see, but there were probably some that weren't We could have easily ended up in something like that. And we didnt wear hiking gear. We wore sneakers and we didnt bring "supplies" either. Of course, we didnt go up alone. We went together (sometimes 4 of us, sometimes just 3) and i was the oldest at 12. Then 10.5, and 9. If we'd gone missing, my parents wouldnt have known where to look. We would have "vanished withput a trace" because we didnt tell them where we were going, and they never ever asked us.
He pointed out nothing that most adults don't already know, and instead tried to discredit missing 411 who didn't even feature these cases.
@@kltil5082😂
Go ahead, believe in fairies
Thank you for presenting this common sense approach. It's something that has become all too rare.
Good episode. I never thought about how many hundreds of thousands of people walk in the parks, the animal scents, the scents of different plants, and yet people expect search dogs to find missing people in those massive parks. Why people go alone in these places is beyond me. Terrible ways to die alone.
Wind, humidity, etc. can also affect their ability to catch a scent
The missing 411 cases with zero explanation drive me crazy. Thank you for this
That is awesome they found that last man before his widow passed... probably gave her and her family closure for sure 🙏
Special episode. Very enlightening. Your integrity stands out. As tragic and intense as these victims demise was you've done all 3 of them justice. Thanks for all you do.
Good show. Thanks for putting this together and sharing the stories.
The first case reminded me of Moaning Cave in the Sonora area of California. Called that because of a small opening that sounded off when the wind currents moved across it on certain weather patterned days. This tiny opening was "discovered" in the gold rush days and eventually explored. It had one big room below the tiny opening. There was a pile of bones below this opening.
If I recall the distance from crevice opening to floor below was 40 feet. So mostly lethal. There were human and animal bones. Now the creepy part is that another crevice was located at the back of this room with another drop into a deeper room. And at this drop were found another pile of bones, with human bones mixed in as well. One can only imagine the horror of living through the first drop, being trapped and crawling around only to fall into the second pitch dark cavern.
The place is now a tourist site. I visited in the 80s and went down into the lower room. The point is, the crevice was invisible if you didn't know it was there. Native Americans fell into it occasionally. Plenty of animals fell in. And maybe one prospector or two before it was clearly made known that it was a hazard.
Your videos are some of my favorites on YT. The quality research, high level of intellectual honesty and integrity, and the interesting stories are 2nd to none on this platform. Thanks for doing what you do🙏
ditto!
I really like the way you present your stories. Factual, no drama but quite thoughtful. Keep up the excellent work!
I’ve been a fft1 wild land fire fighter and search and rescue personnel for almost 12 years now and it’s not as simple as ppl think it is when your searching for someone a lot of factors are involved like if the person is moving while you’re looking for them they could be getting farther away from you also the safety of the rescue teams are important you don’t want other ppl getting lost or injured also it’s very easy for people to overlook things and with the k9 dogs other factors like humidity, other peoples cents,wild animals, certain kinds of plants/ flowers all can play a role in the k9 not being able to track and keep the cent of the missing person…
The first lesson I taught my kids when deer hunting was, if you get truly lost Stop and Wait help is on the way. It amazes me how much worse people make their situation by "Wandering".
I think a lot of times the search radius needs to be expanded. From whatever is expand it further. That's kinda my view.
@@phoradio1277 It's amazing that people panic when their environment suddenly changes due to the weather and their enjoyable activity suddenly and unexpectedly turns lethal? That people have trouble sitting still when they might be facing soon freezing to death, or suffering from thirst or lack of shelter and are terrified? It's great to plan on keeping calm in a bad situation but the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray.
@@mr.onethirtyeight5088 I completely agree with you on that
Those are some very good points.
I've participated in search efforts in the Cascades, and, once you start looking around off trail, it's amazing how many places there are where a body could be hidden. If anything, it's surprising there aren't more lost hunters and hikers.
Finally, it's so refreshing to have someone who's honest and believable, intelligent and analytical, not sensational, not full of himself and seeking stardom, not given to tantrums, not connected to and dictated to by government agencies, late night radio hosts, members of the old ufo researchers circuit,...working on and revisiting existing cases of missing people. I really appreciate your work. And I'm quite sure that the families and friends of the missing people in question appreciate you as well!
David Paulides can`t be trusted. He`s a COP, just always keep that in mind, and cops are very sneaky, dishonest, trained liars. I saw what the training did to people I was once great friends with. Now they`ll sell you out and set you up and have become worse than the common scam artists, liars, and swindlers on the streets. They`d set up their own moms now! The BIG BUST is all they live for and they no longer care about morals and who they destroy to gain points.
This is what I love about your channel. Some people just want a good story, but you’re interested in the truth before wild fantasy.
What if the truth is a wild fantasy
this show has the following lessons for me:
never go alone into deep wilderness
never go unarmed into deep wilderness
I have done both the majority of my life. Of course a person always has to be careful, however movies and stories out there have really made people unnecessarily afraid. Best wishes
@@TG-fq6vy I’m sure everyone that appears on this show felt the same way 😂
@@LEARSIKCIGAM 🙄
@@TG-fq6vy most people who cross the street never get hit.
@@LEARSIKCIGAM So your point is ? 🥱
As much as I want to believe in the paranormal, I am also a fan of logic. To Quote Sherlock Holmes, "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"
Though I am watching them out of order, several of the cases you have talked about, you have provided information that more supernatural focused channels have omitted or missed. Because of this, even if I think I know the story, I have been watching them. And so far I yet to be disappointed.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into these. (And if you have a team, kudos out to them as well!)
Thank you for this.... a long overdue look at missing. I think of sink holes/ swamp holes / mine shafts quite often are responsible for "missing without a trace". I watch a UA-cam channel called "action adventure twins", and these guys are seeking out remote caves in the woods all the time. What astonishes me is how oftentimes the entrances are just small crevices in rocks, or tree roots, and don't look dangerous, but they actually open up and go hundreds of feet underground (Cave In The Forest Is So Deep) is one of them and another (Tiny Hole In Earth Opens Up 220 Foot Deep) makes me never want to walk in a forested area! I live in the west, and constantly concealed/abandoned mine shafts are an issue to think of.
Excellent work! I'd like to hear of more mysterious cases that have been solved.
Great video! This was very interesting to watch. I spent numerous years as a forest worker and a search and rescue volunteer. Searching for a missing person isn't as straightforward or foolproof as an average person would assume. Grid searchers are *supposed to* cover all areas in their sector, however, this doesn't always happen as thoroughly as would be ideal. Sometimes extremely difficult terrain, such as those you mentioned in the video, make it impossible to have looked *everywhere*; steep rocky areas and very dense brush/vegetation are two common culprits. I live in Nevada. It would be quite easy for a person who is not paying attention to fall into some sort of old mine or vent that is hard to see. They are everywhere in the west. Things like this are why it is crucial for solo outdoor enthusiasts to carry some sort of communication tool other than a cell phone, such as a SPOT device. I can't emphasize this enough.
Search and rescue teams are also largely composed of volunteers. They are usually trained to some extent, and have some sort of outdoor background or interest, but they are still just people. It isn't unheard of for them to miss small or subtle clues, especially if the terrain is challenging. Search dogs are not all equal either. They are trained and rated for different tasks. Just like us, some dogs just end up being better at certain things than others. Anyway... I really liked this video and would love to see more stories like this. Keep up the excellent work!
I believe technology has distorted our perspective. Anyone who has ever been out in real wilderness understands it's simply not possible to look behind every tree or in every crevace between every rock. It's vast out there. I don't like when people say a search team failed - like its a test or something. It's a miracle search teams find anyone and god bless them for trying.
The most realistic channel regarding this type of topic. I can't even imagine how hard you have to work to make these great videos. I am very grateful for the effort and simple realistic way of presenting the topics.
Thank you so much for your level-headed, no-nonsense approach to these cases. It's so tiring and annoying to click on videos purportedly about missing persons only to be barraged with outlandish paranormal theories. What's that old saying? "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." What is more likely? That a person was sucked up by an alien spacecraft, abducted by Bigfoot, stepped through a "portal" - or that they were buried in an avalanche or fell into a mineshaft or well? Why do so supposed adult people immediately leap to such ridiculous, far-fetched supernatural explanations? Common sense, people. For crying out loud.
Anyway, thank you for your intelligent research and thoughtful presentation of these cases!
I enjoy your channel for several reasons; your extensive and thorough research, choice of stories, your delivery, and you don't have an annoying monotone audio background that overwhelms the talking, as sooo many of this type of channels do. Many are so annoying I close the video and move on,, no matter how interesting the topic is. Yours is very pleasantly different,, and refreshing to listen to. Thank You. I remain a faithful listener and subscriber.
I agree 100%. There are several other channels I watch with similar content, and the creators deliver the stories well, except for the fact that they play some sort of modern, trendy-sounding music or beat in the background, I guess in an attempt to make their channel seem more hip. I find this distracting and often have to rewind because I didn't quite get all that was being said.
Excellent reporting here. I don't think people who've never spent much time in rugged outdoor scenarios can fully understand all the hazards that are out there. I grew up half wild in a rural area, spending time in a variety of camping and "roughing it" situations throughout most of my life. In massive wilderness areas, even national parks, Bigfoot attacks and alien abductions are perhaps possible. However, there is plenty of other stuff out there than can not only kill you but keep your remains hidden. These stories are perfect illustrations of that. Tragic, yes, but explainable.
You are very well spoken and not annoying like most youtubers, I really like what you're doing with this channel mister!
As a single female, I used to go hiking by myself frequently. After watching these missing videos, I don’t go out alone anymore.
Great episode! All three of these disappearances were people alone in very rugged wilderness, it's hard to imagine how an unexplainable mystery can be built around that situation. In contrast, someone who vanishes from their daily ordinary life, that I can see being baffling.
Yeah although that last case i wonder what happened, but i guess explanation would be found in location. I just mean how the guy ended up under the boulder
My own father disappeared without a trace, leaving his truck in the parking lot of his workplace. No one ever knew what happened to him - or didn't say. There was some evidence pointing to an individual who might have had something to do with it, but not nearly enough for an arrest.
That doesn't mean it was paranormal! I suspect criminal activity. I could easily believe that some sort of accident happened and his body ended up somewhere nobody thought to look. I don't believe that bigfoot or UFOs had anything to do with it. I would resent it if somebody was making money with a claim that it was bigfoot or zombies or something. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.
A lot of things Paulides said we're not adding up for me before I found your channel. And bro you to me are one of the most honest believable people I have ever come across on UA-cam. But by the time I started watching your videos I understand why he just doesn't add up the way he tells the stories and the facts that he omits or embellishes. You are greatly appreciated you do wonderful work!!💯
This is the best missing persons channel on UA-cam. Bar none. 👍
I rarely comment on videos like these but I’d just like to say you’re genuinely the best channel related to these topics. Objective, insightful, and entertaining. Unfortunately I’m broke in college at the moment, but once I make some money this summer I’ll be subbing to the patreon. One of the few who genuinely deserves it. Keep up the phenomenal work!
Yeah, much better than that Paulides conman.
Excellent presentation. I'm irritated when missing persons cases are ascribed to paranormal causes. Just because a person hasn't been found, doesn't mean they have literally disappeared - they just haven't been found, as these sad cases demonstrate.
Why couldn’t it be something paranormal tho?
Very interesting to see some Idaho cases. It's so easy to underestimate just how big and wild the wilderness can be.
Interesting video.
When I hear stories about people who _vanish without a trace,_ I often consider the possibility that the victim stumbled onto something illegal, and was murdered as a result. Or that the missing person WANTED to disappear and change his/her identity.
Often, however, victims do indeed succumb to the all too natural perils of the deep forest. People need to be seriously careful when out in the middle of nowhere!
Great video. It's a testament to how SOME people nearly immediately attribute disappearances to the " supernatural-paranormal " instead of mundane, albeit freak occurences.
Yes I throughly enjoy this video. We might be able to locate other missing "without a trace" people by learning from the almost missing without a trace cases! Good job pal! Keep 'em coming! ❤
I'm in your camp, there are logical explanations for every missing person, and it doesn't involve bigfoot and ufos
You are right about that but you have to admit that there are still some cases that we simply can't explain just saying
@johnthelnerp2151 I agree there are many unexplained missing persons, but think a simple brainstorming session could identify potential reasons. Come to think of it, that would make a great video. What are 2 - 3 of the craziest unexplainable missing persons cases out there? I bet I could come up with a dozen logical explanations, some improbable for sure, but possible.
@@seans155 OK well just out of curiosity what do you think happened to Bart Schleyer? I personally think he was attacked but by a person rather than an animal
@@JohntheLNERP2 haven't heard of, give me some time and I report back
@JohntheLNERP2 I read a few articles about Bart. I'm skeptical when articles portray the victim as an expert at survival, emplying that it is very unlikely he was attacked by a bear or died from the elements. Most likely, he was attacked by an animal of some sorts. Not finding much of him probably means his remains scavenged and scattered. Other scenarios might be some sort of medical event, and then animals got him. The least likely is Russian mafia or another person. He was in such a remote location, unlikely other humans anywhere near him, but any of these could be what happened.
This is probably my favorite of any of your videos. This is exactly the sort of thing we need to keep in mind when looking at Missing 411 and similar unexplained disappearances.
I agree 100%. People go missing all the time, and there is good reasons . Bigfoot and UFOs are not .
The Lem High County sheriff in 1968 William Baker stated (at 14:11) that he believed Raymond Jones was dead and that he was possibly killed in a rock slide, which is what actually happened. Same thing happened to Tatum. Rest In Peace to them.
I hike a lot in Colorado's San Juan Mountains. I'm amazed at how many people I see with no water, food or packs on relatively long hikes at 10,000 feet of elevation.
Most of times people fail to apply the simple occam's razor theory. Most often the mystery lies in the lack of documentation. Usually, the simpler the better.
Lived in the Mojave most of my life, theres a rule of thumb out here: dont go off trail. Theres tons of random holes out here, some big enough to swallow a dirt bike. Be safe when exploring out here
I enjoy your channel very much, and this video was one of my favorites. It's nice to actually find out what happened to some of these people. Makes you think more "inside the box".
Look forward to all your content, have watched some of the older ones twice as they're kind of new again that way until your next one comes out. Your art work is stellar and content and research is outstanding. Enjoy the ones where you go onsite - the Craters of the Moon one - I live near there and to me it just has a creepy vibe -maybe all the lava rock - but I remember that case well. Enjoyed this different aspect as well. Thank you!
I'm glad you are doing these type of videos. I think it's very easy to make missing people as paranormal but almost always it very simple, although still sad for the loved ones. Please do more like this
Earned a sub… doesn’t seem like bs here .. just facts… really appreciate it.. no need for clickbait and nedrick shenanigans. Appreciate it keeping it real.
This is a great and important video; people seem to that they're the main character out in the wilderness and as such it won't be something as mundane as a crevasse or rock that will get them, but the wilderness with all of it's hazards doesn't care about poetry.
Supernatural Paranormal is what ddrives this community but I appreciate you sticking to honest down to earth explains.
He also uses official documents, unlike Paulides, the lack of official documents on Paulides' claims is a huge red flag.
When you play the paranormal card you're assuming we know every possible natural explanation about the circumstances in which someone "vanished without a trace". We almost never do.
I mean that could just as easily be inverted to make the argument for there being something paranormal.
@@kenosabi Only if you think "they were abducted by shapeshifting reptiles" is equally as valid as "they fell through a hard to notice hole in the ground". Supernatural explanations make so many extreme claims whereas natural explanations tend to be simple and highly likely. Occam's razor.
@@kenosabi Saying "we don't know yet therefore it can't be naturally explained" is a pretty obvious fallacy. All it means is we have to keep searching for physical proof.
The Sherlock Holmes line (paraphrasing) "when you eliminate all other possibilities, whatever is left no matter how improbable must be what happened" is often applied incorrectly. These cases show we usually do NOT nor can not eliminate all other possibilities to determine what happened. Thus when people try and apply it, they often haven't truly eliminated everything else.
When people go missing and search dogs/cadaver dogs etc don't pick up a scent and nothing is found you really have to wonder. People don't justc(dissappear)
One thing that strikes me about all these cases is that, in one form or another, the body was UNDER the ground.
The last story gave me chills. Excellent research sir, thanks!!
Welcome back intellectualism'. Thanks for giving the Internet a fresh breath of air!!!
Thank you. This was very interesting and provides a much needed perspective for this subject. I love paranormal stuff but everything doesn't have to be paranormal to be interesting. These are real people with families and friends, hopes and dreams. A mystery is only a mystery until it's solved.
I loved this! Intrigue, skepticism and respectful narration. A breeze of fresh air. Please do more of these!
This is why it is important to tell people the general area you are going to.
I thought to myself "He had till falling in a hole, there was nowhere else for him to go!"
I could not believe you said he fell in a well.
That is basically exactly what I thought!
I called the first one!! I was immediately like “well, the ground is flat and it’s not like he floated into space so either another camper scooped him up in a car or he fell into an abandoned mineshaft.” My true crime knowledge is finally coming in handy!!
Yeah me too! I like it when I guess right. Makes me feel smarter then I actually am. Lol.
I thought the same thing. I live in Nevada, which pretty much looks like the terrain shown in the first story. The first thing I thought of was, "he fell in some kind of a hole". There are old man-made holes all over the desert here.
A couple of hikers found the body of Julian Sands in June of 2023. The area had been previously searched by dogs and several search parties.
Thanks for all the work you put into this channel. I love your content.