I also want to stress that I don't mean the Warframe community as a whole, but select individuals that just bash the game for no reason because God forbid another looter shooter exist in the market. "But Garren it's copying Warframe." Yeah the gaming industry is built off of games copying each other. It's not a bad thing. Heck World of Warcraft's success is built off of them copying other games and just doing it better in one way shape or form. I don't hate Warframe, I actively play the game and anybody who engages in my community tab will see I've been farming in that game. I just hate stupid shit and wanted to get it off my chest. Happy New Years Descendants and Tenno and thank you for an amazing 2024
@@zeroxepntance copied is a strong word. Unlike void relics you can’t run them as a group to increase your chances and and you can’t trade them. At the end of the day do people really expect gaming companies to reinvent the wheel entirely? People will try to always point out anything to make it seem negative but never the positives.
I would say first descendant is a copy of warframe in alot ways but basically is the main reason why I even played first descendant i play warframe a lot and first descendant a lot and like looter shooter i wouldn't take it to heart about what people say about certain games. Shit i play warframe around 2014-2015 ish didn't like it that much. Around 2020 was when it got good to me, and I fixed alot dumb stuff. It will be the same for descendant if they put a lot of stuff in it so far. I have no complaints but rng, but yea. That my opinion.
@@BasedBrave but void relics and amphorous materials act the same way at the core yes warframes version of it is better which makes me wonder why nexon choose to make it worse I mean it's like done on purpose must be a lawsuit thing lol
My issue with the whole "Warframe had 11 years to get it right" argument is that the TFD devs clearly used Warframe as a blueprint and stripped away parts of that blueprint that should've been there from either launch or Season 1. Warframe having 11 years to get to where it's at today should NOT be an excuse for why TFD currently has the current issues it has. The live service looter shooter genre has been around long enough for developers/publishers to learn what works and what doesn't work. Remember when Destiny 2 made shaders consumables? Why is TFD making that SAME EXACT fucking mistake? We all know why. Money. Some of these things should be STANDARD for these types of games. As far as i know they STILL haven't addressed this issue directly. The longer that these issues in TFD exist the more it looks like the devs are cherry picking what issues to fix so they can look like they're listening to the community. For me personally it was never really about the amount of content that TFD has. It was about the QUALITY of the content to. While having a lot to do in a game is good ultimately it's meaningless if that content is boring to play. We're in 2025 now future live service games gotta stop repeating the same mistakes that we've seen for the past decade. I do genuinely want TFD to really reach it's full potential & offer Warframe some competition. Hopefully these new updates bring some much needed excitement to TFD. Only time will tell.
Like I said in the video that there are definitely mistakes that TFD have made, but it's still it's own game. In terms of the whole shaders and dyes thing. I think the devs have come out and said that it's a consistent stream of revenue for them and based off of that I would imagine it's a Nexon higher up decision because the director did say there was some push back on another piece of monetization from Nexon, but they were able to push it through for players. Just because you copy someone's homework doesn't mean it's right. Thank you for watching and offering your insight.
Fkin thank you! It's like Warframe did the homework, failed some assignments, passed others, made adjustments, fixed mistakes, and after 11 years were able to ace the final test. TFD didn't do any of the homework or studied. But at the end of the school year when the final exam was due, they just copied Warframe's final exam and barely passed. Warframe went through the mistakes, growing pains, and eventually laid down the foundation after several years, so that TFD could take that and just make improvements from there. Also another reason why that "its not a fair comparison" garbage doesn't work, is because we as gamers don't even think like this when deciding on which game to play. We look on Steam for a looter shooter and choose which to play based on many factors. We want the best one right? But at any point in our decision on choosing which to play, do we go: "wait, hold on, TFD is still relatively new compared to Warframe. That's not a fair comparison, so let me just go ahead and play TFD instead." We judge the game on how it is NOW, regardless of how new it is or not. They don't get free passes for still being new, and especially since they copied a large portion of homework and got most of the growing pains out of the way. "But Warframe has had 11 years to develop," is such a slimy way to shut down valid criticism that players are OBVIOUSLY going to consider when personally choosing between the two. Attempts to even diminish those criticisms are in no way, in service of gamers. They are only used to protect TFD fans from their chosen game getting harsh and deserved criticism.
As someone who has played warframe at this point for 10 or more years, ive never thought as the first decendant as a cheap copy of warframe but its a game that i could use all that experience in a new game, i love both games tbh.
It is a cheap copy. It’s a one for one copy of Warframe. Only it needs tits and ass to keep players where as warframe used gameplay and good characters
The fact that they made universal skins apply to all descendants and refunded everyone that bought into it gives me hope that the game is one day going to directly compete with warframe, because one of WF's greatest strengths is having an ear to the ground. I'll be the first to tell someone all about grinding in both games, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and room to grow as developers.
It definitely has potential. I'd say the biggest thing holding them back long term is their approach to the monetization practices. As a new player, when I'm comparing the value I'm getting from the TFD bundles to what I'm seeing from Warframe (Just started Warframe recently btw) it's not even close. They're on the right track, but definitely got a long way to go. I'll keep playing though and see what direction they take it in.
I agree. I got into Warframe because of the good PR they had a few years ago. I tried it when it was new and didn't like it. I returned when the Limbo frame released. Think the team behind the game awesome. Just started playing TFD in October, and I'm hooked! The changes they've made in these few months because of player feedback is amazing! The content creators and community are great! This game has a ton of potential.
My issue with this mentality is that the game had 11 years worth of lessons on mistakes to NOT repeat and then went and repeated them all anyway and then some The lessons were already learned by another. Why should I wait for them to learn it themselves? It’s wasted potential, and the monetization is even worse to boot. Their update cadence is too slow. If they want players to come back, they need to pick up the pace on implementing lessons they should have learned from Warframe
I'm always gonna knock any game with unfair monetization but that's as far as I go because I don't feel like it's my place to tell someone which game sucks and which one is good because we all enjoy things differently.
Man as a D1 and D2 veteran (8K and 10K+ hrs respectively) I agree with you 100%! I play Warframe too back in 2018 and yes; this is not a fair comparison. And you’re on point about the issues they both went thru, the game were and never have been perfect, however, TFD shows a lot of promise and this is why I have 1,800 hrs on it and have “hope” for the future. Great video man and you have a new sub🫡
It is a fair comparison. Warframe never needed tits and ass to keep players. TFD starts off everything with tits and ass in your face because that’s the only way they get the numbets
Warframe veteran here. Started to play at the beginning. Things weren't great at all. People forget how warframe was at the beginning. Mistakes were made and all that. Here, after so many years, warframe is solid and still going. And now people come and say TFD is that, this.... The game is barely out of its diapers. And the speed at which devs are trying to solve the problems, oh i whish back in the day warframe devs were this fast. Just in 6 months, TFD devs made so many good decisions, I am stuned. And when people say it's grindy, well its looter shoother... Either way, one thing i love is online games where devs give a shit... Nice video. It's good to see there's people who see what's what...
@@ShadowseIf yeah precisely I am a Warframe veteran who played since the beginning. TFD devs are really doing strides compared to how Warframe was at the start. I never liked nexon even skeptical to try tfd. But with what they are doing with their game it's hard not to give them a chance.
Warframe when it started was 2012. Tfd fixed issues they created, common sense not so common. Is paint still single use? I wanted to buy the battle pass, half of it was paint and things that you can easily craft in mass to upgrade your weapons, and you get like 1 or 5, when you need 20 lock 3 stats and roll the last stat. Fan boys in general need to stfu. The game is still sheet. Wf is still bad, but it's better than most looter shooter games. Why nobody compares what wf was like 12 years ago to present tfd, lack of budget and time to make it a decent game, wf almost wasn't made and it was pure luck and timing it was popular, and thanks to founders. Imagine if gta6 released with less/same content than gta 3. You are right, it makes no sense to be that way, those game are years set apart.
If i knew u would come Zbeatza, I wouldn't comment at all. It is a well-known fact that you shill for Warframe and shit on everything else. We, who enjoy both games, leave us be in peace.
WF fanboys that complain about the coomer aspect of TFD forget that WF is a coomer game as well. Mesa Prime, Saryn, Wisp, Ember Heirloom, Yareli Deluxe and Valkyr Deluxe, not to mention the surge of Yareli skirt glitches that appeared when she released, because DE decided to make Yareli carry the whole bakery, and now with The Hex. The WF subreddit this past month has only been thirst post about The Hex. The only reason they complain about TFD gooner aspect is because it's aimed at male gamers primarily.
I've played Warframe on and off for multiple years now. It's an okay game. So is First Descendant. I'm not super invested in these type of games due to work/life balancing. But I can say I enjoy the time with each one. It's a grind for sure.
A certain content creator stopped playing TFD because new content dropped for the game that made him famous….warframe. He knew he had a fan base for TFD but rather then saying he will be playing Warframe again he goes and makes a video stating “why everyone is quitting” people should stop broadcasting why they leave a game as a excuse and just leave humbly. the video should be called “why HE is quitting” comparison is the thief of joy alright. TFD can only go up from here it has to build a good foundation first, the devs gave us a product and now they know what they are working with. TFD is my main game now and I have no complaints about it…I just hate these kids crying so much over nothing
@@odst123451 tell me your a keyboard warrior without telling me your a keyboard warrior….learn to have a constructive conversation rather then acting like a child
@@BasedBrave KBW is such a dated term, lol. You said you didn’t have any complaints. You are either lying or you don’t notice any of the problems in the game. How can you have a constructive conversation? You don’t have anything to complain about with TFD, nothing at all?
@ nothing but the toxic idiotic entitled kids that play it and would cry about it rather then coming up with a solution. The game is far from dead or anything of the sort. I’m glad all the npc casuals are being weeded out and leaving. They have no place here
Used to play Warframe and been playing since preseason on tfd I feel you everytime i play I'll sometimes look in WC and have some peeps saying "Warframe is better" in chat like go play it then to me this is a case of typical Fanboys being a pain for normal people that simply enjoys games alike by trying to make it a competition man every reason to "Not" be a Fanboy Happy new years🎉
Conspiracy theory, DE has some kind of "not so secret" Shilling program or something which includes free platinum to people who promote their game inside all other "competitors", either that or a bunch of registered losers who think Rebecca will send them nude pics if they shill for the game enough times.
I literally was typing the argument warframe vs the first descendant is ridiculous one has 11 years and the other just came out. As you said it games like these need years of content to hence games of service.
I hate this argument Because it’s BS TFD is making mistakes Warframe solved 5+ years ago Do you also excuse the sorry state of the Epic Games Store with the excuse that Steam had 15 years to get it right? I sure as hell don’t because that’s not an excuse. Time changed and standards have raised. TFD isn’t competing with Warframe from 2013. The only area this has any relevance is quantity of content, and that is the LEAST of TFD’s issues. One of TFD’s biggest issues is the over monetization, and that’s not something the 11 year difference will EVER have the slightest bit of relevance on
In the couple months I've been playing TFD the devs have been so responsive to feedback and thats why I have over 200 hrs in the game now. The game has so much potential, and thats coming from someone who also just got into Warframe and has 4500 hours in Destiny 2. The ragebait isn't worth getting into. TFDs dev team is not very big but is slowly growing (they've said this in livestreams). The content cadence will grow with it. Enough said.
Seriously, they love Warframe so much and yet they spend their time on TFD Steam forums and In-Game WC trolling and flame baiting people, sounds like they have an internal conflict in them and are doing this to convince themselves of something...
I saw some comments complaining about TFD players being obsessed with Hailey's booty. Meanwhile, the same players, when seeing the space ninja's booty, go, "Yummers." This hypocrisy left me confused. Anyway, considering the fact that we don't enjoy the same game due to time-gating, limited slots, limited content, pacing, visuals, combat, etc., these two games are actually very similar but offer different values that fanboys seem to overlook. In my opinion, bashing another game just because it's not your game is a waste of time and energy. Let's just enjoy the games we like.
@@kaiju4240 I like warframe skins because they are cool and the game is fun. Tfd is just a gooner game it's basically the devs coating shit sugar by adding skins for the female characters the core systems of the game are still not good. I wanted to like tfd I did but after 3 weeks of terrible drop rates, bad monetization and lack of customization it was not cutting it. (Now let me mentally prepare myself to be burned at the cross for my opinion lol)
@@zeroxepntanceNo one is burning anyone except that ember booty...Ur opinion is just as valid as anyone. Someone could say the same thing as u about tfd: "Skins are cool and gameplay is fun". If we're talking about goonin...Wf has been at it since mag and nova. Both TFD and WF have the same issue of speeding thru content. The tfd drop rate is solve now with added pity system/advance stb. And customization is in a much better place now. But if ur gonna dislike a game have a valid answer.
@@zeroxepntanceI really wanted to like Warframe just like you people but 3 days of timegating was just unbearable for something I worked so hard to obtain. I had some fun with Warframe with friends but not so much without them and that's still the case. As for skins, they'll make them marketable as they see fit and I don't have anything to complaint against both games, cool, cute, sexy, handsome, mecha, etc., I'm all in for it.
I've been playing this game for a little less than a month now and I got all the characters and all the guns, so honestly the drop rates aren't bad at all. The biggest problem I have is the crafting time. Since I got everything already, I have to time everything and the motivation to gather more materials before I can even craft them is kinda dreadful, but when I do need it atm, then my motivation to play goes back up. I'm glad I'm playing this game before they decide to add loads of content because my friends tell me I can't really get into lost ark because how far the game has developed ever since launch. Since I'm pretty up to date on this game, I can try to explore other new games and go back to this without having to play catch up. I think the state of the game is at a good state, but hopefully they can start ramping up the content because it seems pretty dead. The devs need to really realize how shallow this game is and really come up with something because it doesn't make sense for me to have almost finished everything in less than a month. It kinda feels like Diablo 4 in relation to content and I honestly like this game way more than Diablo 4.
First descendant is less than 7 months old i really like it. Warframe was my vibe for a few years but lets see i like first descendant because it's character design, sure call me a gooner but i dont spank my meat to it i am just sick of DEI chin and fat ugly characters, the campaign is good for a free game ALSO NEXXON TOOK 1 SEASON TO FIX ISSUES AND S2 FIXED MORE SO THEYLL GET IT BETTER STEP BY STEP
Ive played Warframe for about 10yrs and totally forgot about The First Descendant. Warframe used to be a humble community but as a veteran , TFD looks like a better warframe. Havent played it yet but dont have the time to get in to another grind.
Yall really have to stop with that “but WF game is eleven years old” argument because regardless of the age that gives no excuse for TFD to follow monetization so heavily but have less innovation to offer best comparison is Diablo to POE …age doesn’t mean we excuse incompetence especially when they can focus on so much monetizations… you would think having more years to learn from that they would’ve took a better route with the game but no it’s just made for your money
Cyberpunk wasn't a fair comparison with starfield either. But it didn't stop people from comparing. Warframe didn't even have bullet jumping at release. It was rough. Give these games time.
Can TFD learn from WF absolutely. Is there a lack of content? Yes. But we will get more future hopefully. Both WF and TFD have issue with speeding thru content. Its just one been here for a much longer time. If there one thing to not add is the daily rep system...I guarantee everyone dislikes it. This is the reason why some wf content take 2 weeks+.(But its a normal thing in most mmo)
I haven't played neither Warframe, nor Destiny, but I do play and like TFD, for a free game that gives you free stuff and it's only 6 months old the game is pretty decent, so I do not understand all the backlash and frustration of those people.
EDIT: Happy new year's, everyone! 26:41 the next prime is slated to be either Yareli or Lavos because it follows release date of warframes and also goes by if the last one is a boy or girl (Xaku is non binary so the latter isn't going to be factored this time around). They skipped over those 2 and Xaku for Sevagoth. I'm leaning Lavos because next year is the year of the snake.
I have played Warframe since before Plains of Eidolon, and still do, and still will likely for years to come. But a lot of you guys attacking TFD and it's players are just straight up an embarrassment to our Warframe community. TFD is a great game, and the devs are4 doing a great job. Sure, I might have agreed with you on constantly telling Destiny players to try Warframe. There was legitimacy there, because Destiny was also older, also had players complaining for years about things they shouldn't really have had to deal with, many of their players had never even heard of Warframe....on multiple fronts it was a more reasonable thing to do, to a point. You don't have any of that legitimacy here with TFD. You simply don't. The devs have proven they respect the community. The game has made astonishing progress in it's first 4-5 months, FAR more than Destiny or Warframe had ever made in that same amount of time from their initial launch, and it's not even remotely close. And yes, people would still play the game even if there was none of the booby/booty goonery in it (we got a lot of that in Warframe too BTW), because it is GOOD. Period. The game has become essentially it's own version of what Outriders should have been IMO. TFD is far from perfect. However, if you are a Warframe player who is still out here trashing TFD and it's players, I gotta tell you.....not cause I wanna tell you....but you guys are exposing yourselves as bad actors and destroying the reputation of our Warframe community. It's time to get a grip, this is not the hill to plant your flag and declare war on, and it looks really bad that you have no self-awareness to any of this. Again, as a Warframe player, it is embarrassing. Makes Warframe players look like we never had good intentions from the beginning. the game is barely half a year old, not many years old like Destiny, and certainly has far fewer problems and financial cost to the player. Get a goddamn grip, please.
It really feels like it's mostly inertia, from the thousand anti-consumer and development issues of Destiny making such a big wave of Warframe community vets trying to adopt the abused Destiny community, and all of that inertia unfortunately carrying on to TFD as well because of the similar gameplay style and mechanics of TFD. With the big difference being that, while many Destiny veterans have been open to trying out Warframe and the friction hasn't been too bad on that front, _the TFD community wants to play TFD._ *_Not Warframe._* Because it's a new, very cool game with its own style, still adjusting to growing pains and developing content, _and its way too early for Warframe players to be trying to bring stretchers and first aid kits to TFD players that aren't hurt nor looking for some other home._ I also wouldn't put it past the Warframe newbies that are currently going through the early honey moon to be the toxic yappers that are ruining it for everyone with the stupid "warframe is better" comments. I'm a decade-old Warframe veteran like you, so you probably have seen what me and all the other vets know: out of everyone in our relatively chill community, it's always the newbies that have recently migrated from other games that are the loudest and most toxic, in a multitude of ways. They eventually mellow out, but are causing a lot of damage while they get there, exacerbated by that inertia from what's been going on between Destiny and Warframe. Like an equinox of idiocy, led by a loud minority of morons. I just wish TFD players knew we on the WF community *_also_* hate those morons, and are trying our best to rein them in.
The devs of this game have been pretty good about listening to the community, lots of good changes and great quality of life changes, both warframe and TFD are great games with imo great dev teams that talk to community and try fix what they can heck they even refunded for the skins. Honestly give the damn game a chance to make content, it's only been out 5-6 months vs warframe that has been out for years. Day 1 warframe wasn't great either, it got the chance to grow. But yeah, great vid.
People who glaze warframe and games like it forget that these games been around for so long that any new player can get on and play for all the content it has throughout it’s years of existence, tfd isn’t even a year old and they want to bag on it cause the game didn’t release with 3+ years of content on launch as if it’s a law to launch a game with that much content or the game isn’t good 😂 day one players will fly through the content cause they played the game since launch so they have everything that’s been in the game day one while a new player can literally get on and have so much to do in the game since they are brand new to the game or people who want to start over for the sake of starting over on a different account
Which is a legitimate criticism...If I go on Steam to look for a F2P looter that I'll get the most enjoyment out of, I'm obviously going to consider the amount of content and completeness of the game, when making my choice on which to stick with. Now I'm not going to sit here an expect TFD to have 11 years worth of content, but it's certainly going to be a major reason in why I choose not to play it. Of course it's going to be brought up. So let's not act like that criticism is disingenuous or misleading. Yes, we are all aware that TFD is new, lets move on from that. But we are still going to list our reasons for why we still don't think it's as good.
i play both man and get that TFD needs to grow and that my concern is NEXON, they have a graveyard behind their house lol. is really hard for me to invest more money knowing how fickle is the parent company
i Loved wayfinder you made great videos on it. Warframe is obs the better game but Tfd at release is a better game then warframe and most similar games are when they first came out
Comparing isn't fair. WF is 11 years old and many have forgotten all the shortcomings and mistakes they've made. WF had loot box mechanics at one time, an abandoned and broken PVP system, which if Destiny 2 didn't have would lose 50% of its players. It's took WF something like 7 years to get their shit together and only recently been making strides to the story. imagine playing for 11 years with only the last 2 years getting the story moving, ain't no way with players clearing content in 1-2 months which TFD is trying to deal with. WF was very fortunate with it's fanbase and catering to some of their...weirder ones.
Let’s take Diablo and POE for example… POE smokes Diablo 3 and 4 in everyway because they learned from the original and innovated in many ways without having to go through this cycle that TFD is…so people need to stop acting like this is some small new company who never made games before…especially when they have the monetization Setup so “well”
Over that 11 years of Warframe, I was trying to play the game many times, but could never stick around for longer. I don't know why, but something in the game aesthetic is off-putting for me. In the last 6 months I played more TFD than Warframe combined. In that 6 months alone TFD had significant improvements, in pre-season and season 1 I thought obtaining ultimate descendants is pretty much impossible, now I have Valby, Bunny, Freyna and Sharen in the oven. I could also craft ult Lepic if I wanted and missing one part of ult Viessa. I bought the dog day one so used void vessel only for getting Keelan. I wish people who left the game because of the insane grind, could try TFD one more time, but season 2 came like in the worst time possible - right around PoE 2 , Marvel Rivals and Warframe 1999
Play what you enjoy. It really is that simple. I came from warframe and is still playing that as my main game. TFD just seemed too slow of gameplay for me to get invested. Even tjough you start with (base) bunny and later i built valby, it still felt more grounded. Which I'm not a fan of. Will say TFD shows me what waframe is missing, and thats boss fights. Not the orb Bs, But the raid bosses. But ill stay with warframe, for the most part, the devs are on the players side, and its trade/market is completely open (if anything its the people having a negative impact on trading not the devs and it happens rarely) sells me on the game. On it being stupid fun too. Point is, both have merits, both have shortcomings, but TFD just aint for me, it disguises the grinding poorly in my opinion (last i played, may try it again with a couple updates)
Don't get me wrong I think TFD has awesome character designs but when compared to warframe it falls a little short. your essentially a human host with divine magic powers in control of ancient space ninjas that all have their own unique abilities and backgeounds. Playing as a caked up soldier with powers is bad ass but warframe has had a lot more time to cook in the oven so obviously its gonna have a level of complexity over TFD. My only gripe is that it looks a tad outdated at times due to its old engine.
My take on this is TFD has been learning from Warframe and WF has been learning from TFD, as you can see in the recent updates in both game’s. TFD will never be a warframe killer but it has the potential to grow as big as Warframe.
My experience in both is Warframe is far more complicated game and first descendant is easy to understand and faster to get into building your character while Warframe is like long game that need years of experience just have a hang into newer update
Being a player in warfare since the beginning. I totally agree with this guy the game in the beginning was kinda boring we didn’t have that much stuff to do but 10 years later yeah we got a lot of stuff to do now. Bullet jumping was a bug. It took years for warframe to get a story together. I think TFD will be a good contender give it a few years to actually develop something.
No you’re getting Boar Prime because it’s a gnarly weapon just wait until you get the Incarnon for it. Save your archon shards to upgrade them save and harvest arcanes max them out. And steel path Daviri will really help you get a lot of end game stuff.
I'm not complaining over that item that swap percentages. Cause it'll give them more ideas on how to improve the game. Yes, since they drop the sharen stealth amorph drops into dungeons now, I do agree that the world felt more lifeless now. The devs have to be more aware of that so I'm looking forward to see how they'll change the world. I mean, I play more private there so I have no reason to do it publicly...unless there's a region boss that spawns periodically. Absolutely, freyna is busted. She is amazing and stuck with her for a long time cause of that lol. Her reactor farm via the outpost abandon strat is really convenient so I don't have to wait long to get my BiS reactor for my descendents. I really am playing this pretty slow so I won't burn all the content this game provides. I really enjoy this game. Something just told me since the beta..did they release an alpha build? That this game has potential. They got the drop rate at a good standing, no need to mess with that anymore. I believe the goal now going during Season 2, or perhaps upcoming Season 3 is the rebuilding their zones in the game, to give ppl more reason to play with each other in public rather than private.
If you were around for Rail jacks lunch, you know that by means, warframe is perfect, Warframe used to be notorious for releasing buggy and broken updates. They have changed this thank goodness. One thing I’ll always give war frame credit for is for staying the course . Understanding how to budget and promote updates. This is where over a long period of time they’ve managed to actually beat destiny.. But they have been a lot of false promises along the way . I like first descendant simply because I see a potential . And to be quite honest, I know they won’t put some progressive political nonsense in their game unlike war frame. And warframes, boss fights are unbelievably bad . I actually don’t blame them for this. The movement is just simply too much to design a decent boss fight around. Combat being a little slower and more deliberate in the first descendant just feels better to me . But warfare gets monetisation correct, where is the first descendant has to improve. War frame has also become a formula, Every update adds a syndicate and reputation grind. It’s just tedious .
Wf player LR 1 working on LR 2 and the new content.......idk why the kids from "my community" keep crying or yapping about TFD and I'm max MR in tfd rn. This makes much sense as iphone vs andriod. Players these days play ONE game and ONE game only. So if another game similar is out they hate it, that simple. I play WF and TFD, used to play D2 but only 1k hours or something so not for long. Everytime I see D2, WF or TFD hate I realize it's a one game only player and I go about my day enjoying playing both.
I played warframe basicly from the first day of its "early access". Lets say Warframe was MUCH MUCH worse even at release. Warframes major shift happened with The Second Dream Quests which was basicly 6 years of development. I like both games and i play both games. Judging by their attidute i am not worried so much if they make it or not. Our world moves so fast right now, so people play through content in 1 hour and say "thats it ?" is simply crazy. XD
"Lets say Warframe was MUCH MUCH worse even at release." It's almost as if Warframe devs jumped into something new, tried to see what worked or not, made the mistakes, learned from them, made improvements, eventually implemented a solid foundation, and after all the hard work was done, TFD came in and copied that foundation. Yeah, it should be no surprise that TFD launched at a way better state. Majority of the answers are right there in front of them to use.
I LOVE warframe but the problem for me in tfd is the systems like drops feel like they are too long, Content was never the problem. The descendant designs are super cool as little as ive played
change the forma system for the first descendant and models rank to make it seem like you have to max on thing at a time and the game could get even more people to grind it.
tfd is my 1st online looter-shooter. & surprisingly, it's fun. i admit, i played because of freyna. but I've stay because of the overall gameplay. in less than a month, i farmed 4 ults already. anyway, I've never care about wf or d1/2. i don't know.
TFD started rough for sure with plenty of room for improvements. While Nexon has experience in live service games the studio they hired to make TFD did not, I think. Korean games have extreme grinds and gimmicks that do not play out as well in the global audience like the balls over bosses' heads to shoot in the invulnerable phase and website events for daily/weekly prizes. Despite language barriers the devs seem to have acknowledged they misjudged the audience preferences and speed of content consumption and have uprooted their plans to address those concerns and moved faster than I have ever seen from a studio. I was worried season 2 was going to be bad because they stopped everything to fix season 1 mid-season. When it comes to farming Season 2 first half, I have got more items I wanted than pre-season and Season 1 combined for much less effort. Warframe was terrible at launch but evolved into a good game. They were facing going out of business, so they were more accommodating to players initially and had to do some emergency damage control after someone spent thousands of dollars in one evening rolling for a rare pet skin iirc. Tencent owns them now so it's just another tendril for China's war against the west, so I can't support WF anymore. The WF community seems pettier and more insecure than the Genshin Impact Mafia. I don't see too many Destiny fanbois mostly WF peeps attacking. If their game is so superior, why aren't they busy playing it and instead wasting energy tearing down TFD? It's not like WF or their female community managers don't try to leverage sex appeal because they do just not as overtly. They sometimes brigade YT, discords, reddit, even TFD world chat. It utterly pathetic and makes the WF community look bad.
To me warframe was alright. That said going in it was Hella confusing between what do next..what I should be doing and what I could be doing. The first decendents was more stream lined. Plus because the first decendent was more streamlined it's been much much easier to grind and understand. Also the characters do look better like a lot better. However some cons to first decendent it needs a bit more progression with levels to help with power creep and it's wording needs to be better when dealing with modules. To figure out a build and waste resources only to find out the character flat out nukes your build because of strengths or weaknesses you didn't know about is the worst feeling. As someone with autism. I already feel dumb as is I don't need to feel it even more when a game throws me curve balls. Now for a note of my own. I'm sure warframe is fun but I could clearly see I wasn't going anywhere after a week of playing and not understanding anything. I know for a fact I only played a few weeks of warframe while iv got two months of first decendent so please take my opinion. With a grain of salt.
I will always compare tfd to warframe but its the core systems not content. I'll say yes there is little content compared to warframe. I liked tfd i still would play but unfortunately over the time its been out its clear the devs only care about the sexual part of female characters. Thats great and all i dont care really. But when you sacrifice everything like modding system, monetization, and lack of customization. For the skins and basically coat shit with sugar. Im not interested. I love warframe and the skins. The skins are cool like a robot samurai (vauban) and the systems are really good and feel rewarding. But tfds systems still feel bad thats why im not coming back. (But unfortunately this opinion of mine will make me out to be a fanboy probably)
Nah, you're good man. I started with The First Descendant from day 1 and while I enjoy it, definitely see the areas where it can still improve. Finally getting into Warframe (Just unlocked the Venus area and Fortuna) and the movement is insane to me. I also appreciate how the skins are more centered around how cool the frames are. Can't wait to get to the 1999 content. 😎
Your opinion is 100% valid. I personally still fail to see the issues in monetization because you can farm everything in the game completely free and it's only been made easier. Like I said in the video TFD has issues, I'm not denying anything, but we are talking about a newly released looter shooter. Yeah they copied Warframe and D2, but this is not unusual in the gaming industry. This happens more times then people realize, but because it's happening to their favorite game now it's an issue. Either way this was a rant video. Nothing cohesive or coherent, it was more of a blowing off some steam kind of video as I don't do these often.
@@GarrenBelmont ill start by saying this i would still love to play tfd but its just not enough to look at tits and ass its not making core systems feel better I understand but the problem with monetization is that it's what 1200 caliber for an energy activator or farming (which is rough from (almost purposely rigged) drop rates) and in warframe as you been ben playing a orokin reactor or catalyst is isn't necessarily farmable but only cost 20 platinum and the battle pass (nightwave) you can buy them from there. Same this for crystallization catalysts (forma in warframe) Coloring and no color pallets or permanent colors and customization ties into the monetization as well. The core systems that were copied like your modding system (modding system in warframe) your amorphous materials (relic system in warframe) high shape stabilizers (void trace refinement system). These copied 1:1 parts of the game seem to ME like they were intentionally made worse or they had to have been. Because if said systems were copied 1:1 why purposely make them worse? Again I like tfd its just copied a lot from a 11 year old "template" but suspicious has the copied core systems being arduous
@@coronavirus19023 I didnt I say I want tfd to fail. Guess you must be a hardcored tfd player sorry. I really just want to know why what they copied feels purposely worse.
the thing about TFD i don't think TFD have time like Warframe does on launch, Warframe could survive 11 years ago because there's no competitor on that time and the only competitor comes 1 year later which is Destiny and its only for console, so i think TFD need to step up their game to survive because they directly compete with Warframe and Destiny now (i know Destiny is dying but its still more popular than TFD) TFD is not looking so good atm but i hope TFD is could survive and not become another Lost Ark or New World because i like the genre, competition is good for the market and more good game to play is a win to me
Ive liked TFD, for the bit Ive been able to play it. Ive been looking into why but TFD continuely crashes on me. Sometimes I can play for a hour and its fine before it crashes, other times I barely load into the game and it immediately crashes.
I was a fan of Destiny, big one back in Destiny 1 and played for a good while the second one, today it makes me want to have my money back after they made it all woke shit.
I have 3400 hours in Warframe and I started this game a few days ago. I’m really enjoying it, I gave it time to work in its teething troubles and it seems ok for a F2P game that’s 6 months old. There’s no competition here from DE they want you to play other games. No one paid money to obtain this game people need to chill and have a bit of perspective 🤣
i hope tfd does not follow in warframe's shoes i'm going to be honest, it needs new content and fun shit to do but i really don't want it to go the way of warframe with adding multiple systems to compensate for the new content they cram in without any thought and how it impacts the game, i've complained about this in warframe years ago that over half of the warframes were useless in high level play, to me it seems that the game needs to find it's own identity and it needs to make sure that identity is likeable and definitely doesn't just copy anymore shit from warframe because if they do i feel like people will lose interest, i believe that reactors and components are very good since it helps with power creep and it help alleviate problems but maybe not just add more systems to farm in order to keep the pace with the difficulty, i pray to god that the first descendant does not fail because the most important thing is competition and people who are against it i feel are dumb because without the competition a lot of warframe players are just complacent with whatever the hell happens and maybe with a bit of competition both games can be made better.
i agree Warframe balance is so fked that's the reason Warframe become more like a horde shooter and can't have a good bossfight, it's slowly get better since Pablo running the show but its not an easy fix and its gonna be a while for them to fix that what i want in TFD is a raid with a good bossfight, thats gonna fill the hole that Warframe don't have
I have no idea how to respond because that sentence was broken af. I'm going to decipher and say you are talking about people voicing frustration (crying) about content in the game? Yeah that's how gaming communities work. We aren't mindless drones. Everybody has differences in opinion. That's called free will.
Ive been playing it since beta, i play warframe and some destiny too, i made jokes here n there like "this fucking grapple hook sucks! Why isnt it like valkyrs??" Or "the enemy has fucking destiny guns, i want that." But i never be so serious about it, i find this game fun and im honestly hoping it keeps going.
Warframe set a road map for how talk to your community and be respectful to the consumer.....Destiny....did not.....Helldivers 2 switched up soon as space marine started taking their pie away...rivals managed to get blizzard to give players free skins that would have been pay to buy. TFD seems like its on good steps...just dont go Destiny and you should be fine
Warframe vet 10yrs. Also play tfd yea warframe used to be pay to live it cost 10 Plat to revive lol. But that was pretty much the beginning of online gaming for consoles so they had time to develop and grow. Unfortunately games today don't necessarily get that luxury because players want it now. For me I love both my only problem with tfd is they honestly stretched amorphous materials. It's only 49 descendants and weapons so over 200 materials is excessive. 2 ways to farm an ultimate sometimes needing 1 part from a colossus is stretching content. On comparison, it's a different feel from warframe besides looter shooter tbh
I kind of agree. But comparing TFD at launch to WF at launch is like comparing apples to oranges. The market and the whole industry has shifted so much in those 10+ years that it might as well be on a different planet. WF was very bland at launch but there was no other game like that around so it became somewhat of a trend-setter. On the other hand, TFD rolled in as an amalgam of its predecessors, having no identity whatsoever, except for "oh look we have big boobas here". Hopefully, they can still find it and not get lost in the whirlpool of pleasing the loudest ones. Like, Void Chasers was a decent update but you can draw direct parallels with the Zariman, only one was a soulful interpretation of a vessel lost in the void and the other just a generic semi-abandoned spaceship you've seen in a million other games.
Im trying to like TFD but Nexon's reputation, the monetization ( TFD premium skins are over 2x more than WF deluxe skins), and the poor optimization are really dragging the game down for me. Hopefully Nexon takes the game seriously and dont just treat it like another cash grab like mobile game devs love to do. Hell the palword devs are sticking by their game instead of your typical "asset flip and dip" so maybe there's a chance for Nexon to do the same.
These people literally cry about not having content but no amount of content will ever make them happy and they should be reasonable enough to understand the devs are just human beings making a game, they can’t be making endless f**king content for every second of every day, the devs can literally see how sweaty the community is on the hardcore meta player side of things they know nothing can stop us lol Trust me it’s impossible to please the sweats we farm to damn fast.. sweats don’t even realize how hard they are farming and leveling But I’m not really proud of this I’m saying most sweats don’t really stop and look at how much they are doing when you really think about it I have like almost 40 million kuiper and like 500,000,000 gold, left over. keep 5 energy reactors on me basically always, I have 300 red modules to combine every time the new red mods come out I get them right away because of that, I farmed my dog literally in 1 night “before they fixed the farm” and built and leveled it to 30 in 2 days.. I’ve probably farmed the dog like 10 times by helping friends get it, I farmed Hailey in 2 days “before they fixed the farm” I’ve literally killed 200 bosses at the end of leveling and farming randomly for fun, I farm like 330 quantum a day, from the start of season 2 until now I think I’ve used about 120 catalyst.. I don’t even remember how 💀 I’ve had over 300 sets of every weapon and character in the game on me at once opening the drop at the end after killing a boss means nothing to me anymore lol, killed every boss endless times, all my characters have godroll reactors and 3 full builds that are mid maxed usually 15/20 catalyst per character and weapon, maxed Sharen in 1 day like every other character. It’s sad really 😂 my waifus can’t even get any rest all they know is farming.
swearing that much because of a videogame is cringe, and one of the reasons why TFD gets so much heat, fans of the game like to go to the extremes. there is no need to curse on Warframe players in general, most of us also played or play TFD with no problems. personally, i don't play TFD or Destiny anymore because I see their monetization as anti-player friendly and catered towards cashwhales. that being said it's only natural that games released today will be compared to stablished names, especially when TFD blatantly copied Warframe and Destiny in so many ways
This was a rant video. A video of me blowing off some steam and venting frustration. I swear a lot. It's me and if you don't like it you are not obligated to watch or listen. Have a nice day and enjoy the new year.
I've played Warframe since it's beta. I have roughly 10k hours in it and basically for many years it was the only game I played. I remember that the game looked bad, had no content at all and nobody believed that game would survive and the same thing is happening to TFD. Honestly I was looking for a game to replace Warframe for me and after TFD released I haven't looked back. I disliked the balance changes, their lore became weird and they obviously started injecting propaganda into the game. I'm willing to financially support the TFD devs and let them cook however long they need simply because they were listening to all the feedback very closely unlike Warframe devs who respond to any criticism with "my way or the highway".
I'm just not even going to pick apart some of the points you made in this one. But what I will say is, that if I were to guess, I just have a feeling that for someone like you with 10 THOUSAND hours in a game, you are probably jaded, tired of Warframe, and have been needing an excuse to take a break from it. What I have learned a lot over the years about reviews from fans of a video game, is that there are 2 types of players where you should take much of what they say with a grain of salt: Players that are new - because they have no context and full understanding of the game Players that have obscene amount of hours - because they are most likely jaded and overly critical
Yall really have to stop with that “but WF game is eleven years old” argument because regardless of the age that gives no excuse for TFD to follow monetization so heavily but have less innovation to offer best comparison is Diablo to POE …age doesn’t mean we excuse incompetence especially when they can focus on so much monetizations… you would think having more years to learn from that they would’ve took a better route with the game but no it’s just made for your money Side note The game wuthering waves is steam rolling genshin impact in so many ways but yet we give NEXON an excuse for not being able to keep up with what they were inspired by…like cmon let’s stop the bullshit
It is not about warframe being better (even if it indeed is better). TFD has a good game hidden somewhere under all the predatory monetization tactics. And it is under umbrella of nexon. Putting your trust - and in your case livelyhood - into a game that is being owned by a company of such "great" reputation is bold move. I wouldnt trust them with a broken stick. Even if ultimately TFD is catchy shooter with nice characters - I played about 13 hours and I had fun. But one look into their farming and monetization mechanics made me realize, that only thing that can be found here is a huge dissapointment somewhere later and time wasted into something that ultimately leave me disgusted and with bitter taste in my mouth as I am inevitably returning to warframe or any other game.
You are absolutely right, some people take it on a personal level to attack what other people like. Warframe is not even comparable to TFD, I never played it because the looks of it dosent interest me.
TFD have no issues, absolutely great F2P shooter. Look guys, you can get tons of stuff free if you stick with the game and don't forget that Ultimate Sharen (which is dope af) can be obtained free like all other descendants. Plus: Game is balanced now in S2 surprisingly well. Try to make more excuses not to play TFD. I don't make apologies about, that i love this game.
As someone whose played both, I've put over 1332hrs into The First Descendant, Cleared both Battle Passes which arent difficult to complete compared to Fortnites. I've Maxed majority of Weapons/Ult. Weapons 3 left to do, RANK 27, Unlocked all Descendants and Ults, except for Ajax. I like every single character they all are designed well. The men are men and women LOOK like women. The games fun! I wanted to see what the Warframe players were talking about so Im taking a break to grind out this game. I tried it to and so far to me this game sucks so far and its like its work is still in transit. I hope this changes. With an 1hr in. I will continue to play it to see what Warframe Fans are talking about, while I compare and contrast the two. The Designs are like meh, but not great or appealing. You can literally HOLD a single button and they do the moves automatically, it will automatically blocks bullet when you move. No skill or reflex's needed here so far.
I think it needs to be said that it is actually totally fair to compare Warframe as it is now, to TFD as it is now. Warframe HAS had a decade of development put into it, and it has come a LONG way in that time. I played in its closed beta, I know EXACTLY what Warframe was like back in t he day. But the truth of the matter is that the player cares about 'what's going to be the most enjoyable for me to put my time into?' They're not going to grade on a curve because WF has had 11 years in the oven and TFD hasn't. They're going to play the game that's the most fun NOW, end of discussion. If you want to break into a market that already has entrenched, established names, you HAVE to come correct with a clear, defined plan. You HAVE to know what you're doing, and how you're going to set yourself apart. I played TFD when it first launched and didn't really stick with it. It was FINE. There wasn't anything wrong with it, but it didn't do anything that felt truly noteworthy to me. It was competently made, but when I've got 11 years worth of sunk cost fallacy dragging me back to Warframe to collect new frames and guns, to do my weekly tasks like archon hunts and Kahl garrison missions, to start trying to tackle Steel Path... I need something that feels revolutionary enough to break that habit that I've already formed. There are too many time-sink live service games out there, and I simply don't see Nexon doing anything with TFD that makes me feel like I need to drop a game I'm already playing to grind TFD every day instead. Get mad if you want, I don't really care. Just telling you how it is.
Exactly. When gamers are choosing on Steam, on which game they should invest their time into, they don't consider how new a game is and give it a free pass for it. Maybe they'll choose the game that is the newest simply because they want to get in on the shiniest new shit, or jump on the current "new game" hype bandwagon to see what all the talk is about, but that's really it. But WE ALL instinctively care about how good the game is NOW is comparison to others. Our time and money is valuable and we want the best one. Sorry to hear that your game is new and still needs more improvements/content. Maybe we'll check back in a few years from now, but that's just the reality of it.
I've tried playing Warframe in 2014, 2020 and 2024, quitting the game each time at the beginning stages. The TFD is simply more lively due to the shared hub.
Only think that I care in tfd is getting all the female characters that I think are pretty, don't care if Warframe or destiny 2 are better gameplay wise cause, Warframe haves fugly characters and destiny 2 got bored in tutorial to me. My first looter shooter was TFD. Only flaw of the game is expensive skins, if they had any system to farm all skins the game would have at least 3x more player base, but I understand that Nexon wants for farm everything from the g00ners.
I play both TFD and WarFrame just let them cook a little longer they will get there I need them to focus on melee and better traversal elements but let em cook
As a Warframe player, I have no idea why this community is so obsessed with bullying others into playing Warframe when I know they'll eventually bully people into quitting Warframe as well. Even in Warframe you can't do anything without someone lecturing you on how you're supposed to play the damn game, just let people enjoy themselves.
Gaming elitism is everywhere sadly, warframe is pretty chill in most places but sometimes stuff like eidolon hunts or other min-maxed farms or missions can bring out the crazies.
Warframe player here as well, I can't stand the majority of WF fans either bc they never stfu. Watch any streamer that starts the game, and chat has to spoil everything, outdoing each other with who knows most about the lore etc. A lot of annoying and pretentious assholes, but main thing is that player numbers remain healthy so it is what it is.
@@Rage-_-Quit This is not a Warframe playerbase issue. It's a gamer thing. All those complaints can be applied to any game fanbase that is large enough with a passionate fanbase. A new streamer player their game, you will get backseaters and spoilers. A "rip-off" of their favorite game comes out and you can always expect players to trash it. For the most part, Warframe fans are pretty chill and cool people, and I think that has a lot to do with it being a relatively easy/chill PvE game that really doesn't breed toxicity as much as a PvP game does. And also the fact that Digital Extremes are so down to earth, caring, they treat fans well, and are very open and honest with the fans. Which I think DE's actions and the way they treat their players kind of sets an example to the community, trickles down, and the players kind of replicate that kindness. But ANY game that grows a large enough playerbase is going to have annoying players, unhinged players, and toxic players. There are people that exist in this world that are not pleasant, so theoretically if your game is big enough, some of those terrible people are going to just so happen to be in that community.
It's the same shit as comparing destiny and Warframe or any other looter shooter, that said in TFD I hate the drop rate and lack of diversity I'll come back in a few months.
Warframe was boring to me the first several years of release. Tried it 3-4 times over about 4 years. Came back year 5 ish and had a good time and still quit. I hate the aesthetic of warframe to this day. Gameplay wise it is fun but grind wise i still don't get the systems fully and not that i can't but taking the time to do so isn't worth my time imo. First descendant has issues but the core game "feel" feels good and the character designs look badass and the ladies are hot, yes but that's just gravy on top. The cyber knight aesthetic they are going for hits my brain just right and the more "battle appropriate" suits on the ladies look incredible. Aesthetic counts for alot. Warframe looks like H.R. Geiger's children had a fever dream. Not a fan but that's okay warframe will survive, people hoping for this game to fail come off as weird to me.
If you want to compare Warframe and First Descendant in a fair way, you have to compare them by launch state each. :D Just saying. I tested both and i like First Descendant more.
I also want to stress that I don't mean the Warframe community as a whole, but select individuals that just bash the game for no reason because God forbid another looter shooter exist in the market.
"But Garren it's copying Warframe." Yeah the gaming industry is built off of games copying each other. It's not a bad thing. Heck World of Warcraft's success is built off of them copying other games and just doing it better in one way shape or form.
I don't hate Warframe, I actively play the game and anybody who engages in my community tab will see I've been farming in that game. I just hate stupid shit and wanted to get it off my chest.
Happy New Years Descendants and Tenno and thank you for an amazing 2024
The only thing TFD “copied” is the module system. Can we say TFD copied the crafting bench to? Na…lots tower defense games etc. has that.
@@BasedBrave nope they copied void relic system, void trace refinement system.
@@zeroxepntance copied is a strong word. Unlike void relics you can’t run them as a group to increase your chances and and you can’t trade them. At the end of the day do people really expect gaming companies to reinvent the wheel entirely? People will try to always point out anything to make it seem negative but never the positives.
I would say first descendant is a copy of warframe in alot ways but basically is the main reason why I even played first descendant i play warframe a lot and first descendant a lot and like looter shooter i wouldn't take it to heart about what people say about certain games. Shit i play warframe around 2014-2015 ish didn't like it that much. Around 2020 was when it got good to me, and I fixed alot dumb stuff. It will be the same for descendant if they put a lot of stuff in it so far. I have no complaints but rng, but yea. That my opinion.
@@BasedBrave but void relics and amphorous materials act the same way at the core yes warframes version of it is better which makes me wonder why nexon choose to make it worse I mean it's like done on purpose must be a lawsuit thing lol
My issue with the whole "Warframe had 11 years to get it right" argument is that the TFD devs clearly used Warframe as a blueprint and stripped away parts of that blueprint that should've been there from either launch or Season 1.
Warframe having 11 years to get to where it's at today should NOT be an excuse for why TFD currently has the current issues it has.
The live service looter shooter genre has been around long enough for developers/publishers to learn what works and what doesn't work.
Remember when Destiny 2 made shaders consumables? Why is TFD making that SAME EXACT fucking mistake? We all know why. Money.
Some of these things should be STANDARD for these types of games. As far as i know they STILL haven't addressed this issue directly. The longer that these issues in TFD exist the more it looks like the devs are cherry picking what issues to fix so they can look like they're listening to the community.
For me personally it was never really about the amount of content that TFD has. It was about the QUALITY of the content to. While having a lot to do in a game is good ultimately it's meaningless if that content is boring to play.
We're in 2025 now future live service games gotta stop repeating the same mistakes that we've seen for the past decade.
I do genuinely want TFD to really reach it's full potential & offer Warframe some competition. Hopefully these new updates bring some much needed excitement to TFD. Only time will tell.
Like I said in the video that there are definitely mistakes that TFD have made, but it's still it's own game. In terms of the whole shaders and dyes thing. I think the devs have come out and said that it's a consistent stream of revenue for them and based off of that I would imagine it's a Nexon higher up decision because the director did say there was some push back on another piece of monetization from Nexon, but they were able to push it through for players.
Just because you copy someone's homework doesn't mean it's right. Thank you for watching and offering your insight.
This guy gets it
Fkin thank you! It's like Warframe did the homework, failed some assignments, passed others, made adjustments, fixed mistakes, and after 11 years were able to ace the final test.
TFD didn't do any of the homework or studied. But at the end of the school year when the final exam was due, they just copied Warframe's final exam and barely passed. Warframe went through the mistakes, growing pains, and eventually laid down the foundation after several years, so that TFD could take that and just make improvements from there.
Also another reason why that "its not a fair comparison" garbage doesn't work, is because we as gamers don't even think like this when deciding on which game to play. We look on Steam for a looter shooter and choose which to play based on many factors. We want the best one right? But at any point in our decision on choosing which to play, do we go:
"wait, hold on, TFD is still relatively new compared to Warframe. That's not a fair comparison, so let me just go ahead and play TFD instead."
We judge the game on how it is NOW, regardless of how new it is or not. They don't get free passes for still being new, and especially since they copied a large portion of homework and got most of the growing pains out of the way. "But Warframe has had 11 years to develop," is such a slimy way to shut down valid criticism that players are OBVIOUSLY going to consider when personally choosing between the two.
Attempts to even diminish those criticisms are in no way, in service of gamers. They are only used to protect TFD fans from their chosen game getting harsh and deserved criticism.
@@lilfuzzballa 🤝
i aint reading allat after work, if you can't spare 50 cents for a paint in a f2p video game get a yob.
As someone who has played warframe at this point for 10 or more years, ive never thought as the first decendant as a cheap copy of warframe but its a game that i could use all that experience in a new game, i love both games tbh.
We need more players like you, glad to here you enjoy
It is a cheap copy. It’s a one for one copy of Warframe. Only it needs tits and ass to keep players where as warframe used gameplay and good characters
The fact that they made universal skins apply to all descendants and refunded everyone that bought into it gives me hope that the game is one day going to directly compete with warframe, because one of WF's greatest strengths is having an ear to the ground. I'll be the first to tell someone all about grinding in both games, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and room to grow as developers.
It definitely has potential. I'd say the biggest thing holding them back long term is their approach to the monetization practices. As a new player, when I'm comparing the value I'm getting from the TFD bundles to what I'm seeing from Warframe (Just started Warframe recently btw) it's not even close.
They're on the right track, but definitely got a long way to go. I'll keep playing though and see what direction they take it in.
I agree. I got into Warframe because of the good PR they had a few years ago. I tried it when it was new and didn't like it. I returned when the Limbo frame released. Think the team behind the game awesome.
Just started playing TFD in October, and I'm hooked! The changes they've made in these few months because of player feedback is amazing! The content creators and community are great!
This game has a ton of potential.
And to be fair TFD is still in its infancy... I'm hopeful for the game... I genuinely want to see it succeed
TFD needs tits and ass to keep players. Warframe never did.
My issue with this mentality is that the game had 11 years worth of lessons on mistakes to NOT repeat and then went and repeated them all anyway and then some
The lessons were already learned by another. Why should I wait for them to learn it themselves?
It’s wasted potential, and the monetization is even worse to boot.
Their update cadence is too slow. If they want players to come back, they need to pick up the pace on implementing lessons they should have learned from Warframe
Happy new year descendants.
Already put in 7000 hrs into Warframe, now let me enjoy TFD thanks
You won’t though.
@PeopleRTheProblem funny cause I'm playing it right now you can hate all you want 😂
Real g's play both and acknowledge that one will fulfill you in a way the other doesn't.
So freaking glad someone addressed these fanboys, everything you said I was trying to explain to one commentor on another video on why TFD is "dying"
Warframe is better. Objectively. Sure it’s been around for a while but ask yourself this: does Warframe need tits and ass to keep players?
It is dying though, and none of his points hold any real value
TFD is pretty blatant cash grab
I'm always gonna knock any game with unfair monetization but that's as far as I go because I don't feel like it's my place to tell someone which game sucks and which one is good because we all enjoy things differently.
Man as a D1 and D2 veteran (8K and 10K+ hrs respectively) I agree with you 100%! I play Warframe too back in 2018 and yes; this is not a fair comparison. And you’re on point about the issues they both went thru, the game were and never have been perfect, however, TFD shows a lot of promise and this is why I have 1,800 hrs on it and have “hope” for the future. Great video man and you have a new sub🫡
It is a fair comparison. Warframe never needed tits and ass to keep players. TFD starts off everything with tits and ass in your face because that’s the only way they get the numbets
Warframe veteran here. Started to play at the beginning. Things weren't great at all. People forget how warframe was at the beginning.
Mistakes were made and all that. Here, after so many years, warframe is solid and still going.
And now people come and say TFD is that, this.... The game is barely out of its diapers. And the speed at which devs are trying to solve the problems, oh i whish back in the day warframe devs were this fast.
Just in 6 months, TFD devs made so many good decisions, I am stuned.
And when people say it's grindy, well its looter shoother...
Either way, one thing i love is online games where devs give a shit...
Nice video. It's good to see there's people who see what's what...
I wouldn't say its that grindy especially after they add that new stabilizer, I got my Ult. Sharon first try
True that. If you know what you are doing, it is far from the first season.
@@ShadowseIf yeah precisely I am a Warframe veteran who played since the beginning. TFD devs are really doing strides compared to how Warframe was at the start. I never liked nexon even skeptical to try tfd. But with what they are doing with their game it's hard not to give them a chance.
Warframe when it started was 2012.
Tfd fixed issues they created, common sense not so common. Is paint still single use? I wanted to buy the battle pass, half of it was paint and things that you can easily craft in mass to upgrade your weapons, and you get like 1 or 5, when you need 20 lock 3 stats and roll the last stat.
Fan boys in general need to stfu.
The game is still sheet.
Wf is still bad, but it's better than most looter shooter games. Why nobody compares what wf was like 12 years ago to present tfd, lack of budget and time to make it a decent game, wf almost wasn't made and it was pure luck and timing it was popular, and thanks to founders.
Imagine if gta6 released with less/same content than gta 3. You are right, it makes no sense to be that way, those game are years set apart.
If i knew u would come Zbeatza, I wouldn't comment at all. It is a well-known fact that you shill for Warframe and shit on everything else. We, who enjoy both games, leave us be in peace.
WF fanboys that complain about the coomer aspect of TFD forget that WF is a coomer game as well. Mesa Prime, Saryn, Wisp, Ember Heirloom, Yareli Deluxe and Valkyr Deluxe, not to mention the surge of Yareli skirt glitches that appeared when she released, because DE decided to make Yareli carry the whole bakery, and now with The Hex. The WF subreddit this past month has only been thirst post about The Hex.
The only reason they complain about TFD gooner aspect is because it's aimed at male gamers primarily.
Warframe fanbase hypocrisy is showing.
I saw one of them seriously try to defend the fan service in Warframe and say that it was done "tastefully"
@@moy9948 lol….sure…the Warframe fanservice is as bad as TFD🤥. Highschool girls skins, bikini skins that everyone raged were gone. $100 fishnet skins.
@@gatorwarrior7557 tastefully means not underaged school girl skins. And not $100 fishnet skins.
I've played Warframe on and off for multiple years now. It's an okay game. So is First Descendant. I'm not super invested in these type of games due to work/life balancing. But I can say I enjoy the time with each one. It's a grind for sure.
@@YaBoyYeti probably the most honest review out there
A certain content creator stopped playing TFD because new content dropped for the game that made him famous….warframe. He knew he had a fan base for TFD but rather then saying he will be playing Warframe again he goes and makes a video stating “why everyone is quitting” people should stop broadcasting why they leave a game as a excuse and just leave humbly. the video should be called “why HE is quitting” comparison is the thief of joy alright. TFD can only go up from here it has to build a good foundation first, the devs gave us a product and now they know what they are working with. TFD is my main game now and I have no complaints about it…I just hate these kids crying so much over nothing
also, TFD devs are professional animators, they can cook good shit, like we see wth characters stories
You have no complaints? Tell me you’re a shill without telling me you’re a shill.
@@odst123451 tell me your a keyboard warrior without telling me your a keyboard warrior….learn to have a constructive conversation rather then acting like a child
@@BasedBrave KBW is such a dated term, lol.
You said you didn’t have any complaints. You are either lying or you don’t notice any of the problems in the game. How can you have a constructive conversation?
You don’t have anything to complain about with TFD, nothing at all?
@ nothing but the toxic idiotic entitled kids that play it and would cry about it rather then coming up with a solution. The game is far from dead or anything of the sort. I’m glad all the npc casuals are being weeded out and leaving. They have no place here
Used to play Warframe and been playing since preseason on tfd I feel you everytime i play I'll sometimes look in WC and have some peeps saying "Warframe is better" in chat like go play it then to me this is a case of typical Fanboys being a pain for normal people that simply enjoys games alike by trying to make it a competition man every reason to "Not" be a Fanboy Happy new years🎉
Conspiracy theory, DE has some kind of "not so secret" Shilling program or something which includes free platinum to people who promote their game inside all other "competitors", either that or a bunch of registered losers who think Rebecca will send them nude pics if they shill for the game enough times.
Funny how they say that. But look what game they’re constantly playing though😂
I literally was typing the argument warframe vs the first descendant is ridiculous one has 11 years and the other just came out. As you said it games like these need years of content to hence games of service.
I hate this argument
Because it’s BS
TFD is making mistakes Warframe solved 5+ years ago
Do you also excuse the sorry state of the Epic Games Store with the excuse that Steam had 15 years to get it right?
I sure as hell don’t because that’s not an excuse. Time changed and standards have raised. TFD isn’t competing with Warframe from 2013.
The only area this has any relevance is quantity of content, and that is the LEAST of TFD’s issues. One of TFD’s biggest issues is the over monetization, and that’s not something the 11 year difference will EVER have the slightest bit of relevance on
In the couple months I've been playing TFD the devs have been so responsive to feedback and thats why I have over 200 hrs in the game now. The game has so much potential, and thats coming from someone who also just got into Warframe and has 4500 hours in Destiny 2.
The ragebait isn't worth getting into.
TFDs dev team is not very big but is slowly growing (they've said this in livestreams). The content cadence will grow with it. Enough said.
Seriously, they love Warframe so much and yet they spend their time on TFD Steam forums and In-Game WC trolling and flame baiting people, sounds like they have an internal conflict in them and are doing this to convince themselves of something...
I used to think of a fan boys as a 15 maybe 25 yr old...now it's the 30 -40 yr old that are the worst I've meet
I saw some comments complaining about TFD players being obsessed with Hailey's booty. Meanwhile, the same players, when seeing the space ninja's booty, go, "Yummers." This hypocrisy left me confused.
Anyway, considering the fact that we don't enjoy the same game due to time-gating, limited slots, limited content, pacing, visuals, combat, etc., these two games are actually very similar but offer different values that fanboys seem to overlook. In my opinion, bashing another game just because it's not your game is a waste of time and energy. Let's just enjoy the games we like.
Trust me...That Heirloom Ember skin. 🔥
@@kaiju4240 I like warframe skins because they are cool and the game is fun. Tfd is just a gooner game it's basically the devs coating shit sugar by adding skins for the female characters the core systems of the game are still not good. I wanted to like tfd I did but after 3 weeks of terrible drop rates, bad monetization and lack of customization it was not cutting it. (Now let me mentally prepare myself to be burned at the cross for my opinion lol)
@@zeroxepntanceNo one is burning anyone except that ember booty...Ur opinion is just as valid as anyone. Someone could say the same thing as u about tfd: "Skins are cool and gameplay is fun". If we're talking about goonin...Wf has been at it since mag and nova. Both TFD and WF have the same issue of speeding thru content. The tfd drop rate is solve now with added pity system/advance stb. And customization is in a much better place now. But if ur gonna dislike a game have a valid answer.
@@zeroxepntanceI really wanted to like Warframe just like you people but 3 days of timegating was just unbearable for something I worked so hard to obtain.
I had some fun with Warframe with friends but not so much without them and that's still the case.
As for skins, they'll make them marketable as they see fit and I don't have anything to complaint against both games, cool, cute, sexy, handsome, mecha, etc., I'm all in for it.
@@ricardophdddsmd time gating isn't an issue for me as you can trade premium currency in game
I've been playing this game for a little less than a month now and I got all the characters and all the guns, so honestly the drop rates aren't bad at all. The biggest problem I have is the crafting time. Since I got everything already, I have to time everything and the motivation to gather more materials before I can even craft them is kinda dreadful, but when I do need it atm, then my motivation to play goes back up. I'm glad I'm playing this game before they decide to add loads of content because my friends tell me I can't really get into lost ark because how far the game has developed ever since launch. Since I'm pretty up to date on this game, I can try to explore other new games and go back to this without having to play catch up. I think the state of the game is at a good state, but hopefully they can start ramping up the content because it seems pretty dead. The devs need to really realize how shallow this game is and really come up with something because it doesn't make sense for me to have almost finished everything in less than a month.
It kinda feels like Diablo 4 in relation to content and I honestly like this game way more than Diablo 4.
You’re straight up lying
@@PeopleRTheProblem About what
Yeah warframe was gaming of the year contender on its first year of its release , right?
Nice false equivalency
Maybe try making an argument in good faith if you want to be taken seriously
First descendant is less than 7 months old i really like it. Warframe was my vibe for a few years but lets see i like first descendant because it's character design, sure call me a gooner but i dont spank my meat to it i am just sick of DEI chin and fat ugly characters, the campaign is good for a free game
ALSO NEXXON TOOK 1 SEASON TO FIX ISSUES AND S2 FIXED MORE SO THEYLL GET IT BETTER STEP BY STEP
they are both fun in there own ways just play both
Ive played Warframe for about 10yrs and totally forgot about The First Descendant. Warframe used to be a humble community but as a veteran , TFD looks like a better warframe. Havent played it yet but dont have the time to get in to another grind.
It’s not. Not even close. All the good parts were copied straight from warframe
Yall really have to stop with that “but WF game is eleven years old” argument because regardless of the age that gives no excuse for TFD to follow monetization so heavily but have less innovation to offer best comparison is Diablo to POE …age doesn’t mean we excuse incompetence especially when they can focus on so much monetizations… you would think having more years to learn from that they would’ve took a better route with the game but no it’s just made for your money
Cyberpunk wasn't a fair comparison with starfield either. But it didn't stop people from comparing. Warframe didn't even have bullet jumping at release. It was rough. Give these games time.
Can TFD learn from WF absolutely. Is there a lack of content? Yes. But we will get more future hopefully. Both WF and TFD have issue with speeding thru content. Its just one been here for a much longer time. If there one thing to not add is the daily rep system...I guarantee everyone dislikes it. This is the reason why some wf content take 2 weeks+.(But its a normal thing in most mmo)
I haven't played neither Warframe, nor Destiny, but I do play and like TFD, for a free game that gives you free stuff and it's only 6 months old the game is pretty decent, so I do not understand all the backlash and frustration of those people.
You should give Warframe a try
There are countless lessons TFD could have taken from them but chose not to and the game is worse off for it
@@dragonriderabens9761 Nah, I've seen gameplay, it's not my thing, I don't like the style of the game and the combat.
I'm 3 minutes in, and I'm definitely subscribing 😅 Preach!
Games are made for fun. Many forget that.
EDIT: Happy new year's, everyone!
26:41 the next prime is slated to be either Yareli or Lavos because it follows release date of warframes and also goes by if the last one is a boy or girl (Xaku is non binary so the latter isn't going to be factored this time around). They skipped over those 2 and Xaku for Sevagoth. I'm leaning Lavos because next year is the year of the snake.
IDK why l, but I always forget Lavos exist as a Warframe lol. Thanks for the heads up.
Hope its lavos.
what do you mean by "non binary" Warframe has this shit?
@@IdiawesKara think of it more as a combination of multiple (3)frames. broken.
@@v00.d00_child lol
I have played Warframe since before Plains of Eidolon, and still do, and still will likely for years to come.
But a lot of you guys attacking TFD and it's players are just straight up an embarrassment to our Warframe community.
TFD is a great game, and the devs are4 doing a great job. Sure, I might have agreed with you on constantly telling Destiny players to try Warframe. There was legitimacy there, because Destiny was also older, also had players complaining for years about things they shouldn't really have had to deal with, many of their players had never even heard of Warframe....on multiple fronts it was a more reasonable thing to do, to a point.
You don't have any of that legitimacy here with TFD. You simply don't.
The devs have proven they respect the community. The game has made astonishing progress in it's first 4-5 months, FAR more than Destiny or Warframe had ever made in that same amount of time from their initial launch, and it's not even remotely close. And yes, people would still play the game even if there was none of the booby/booty goonery in it (we got a lot of that in Warframe too BTW), because it is GOOD. Period.
The game has become essentially it's own version of what Outriders should have been IMO. TFD is far from perfect.
However, if you are a Warframe player who is still out here trashing TFD and it's players, I gotta tell you.....not cause I wanna tell you....but you guys are exposing yourselves as bad actors and destroying the reputation of our Warframe community.
It's time to get a grip, this is not the hill to plant your flag and declare war on, and it looks really bad that you have no self-awareness to any of this. Again, as a Warframe player, it is embarrassing. Makes Warframe players look like we never had good intentions from the beginning. the game is barely half a year old, not many years old like Destiny, and certainly has far fewer problems and financial cost to the player. Get a goddamn grip, please.
I love this take. Really. Wf players forgot that without earning plats via in-game trading, researching frames took a f*ckin long time.
It really feels like it's mostly inertia, from the thousand anti-consumer and development issues of Destiny making such a big wave of Warframe community vets trying to adopt the abused Destiny community, and all of that inertia unfortunately carrying on to TFD as well because of the similar gameplay style and mechanics of TFD.
With the big difference being that, while many Destiny veterans have been open to trying out Warframe and the friction hasn't been too bad on that front, _the TFD community wants to play TFD._ *_Not Warframe._* Because it's a new, very cool game with its own style, still adjusting to growing pains and developing content, _and its way too early for Warframe players to be trying to bring stretchers and first aid kits to TFD players that aren't hurt nor looking for some other home._
I also wouldn't put it past the Warframe newbies that are currently going through the early honey moon to be the toxic yappers that are ruining it for everyone with the stupid "warframe is better" comments. I'm a decade-old Warframe veteran like you, so you probably have seen what me and all the other vets know: out of everyone in our relatively chill community, it's always the newbies that have recently migrated from other games that are the loudest and most toxic, in a multitude of ways.
They eventually mellow out, but are causing a lot of damage while they get there, exacerbated by that inertia from what's been going on between Destiny and Warframe. Like an equinox of idiocy, led by a loud minority of morons. I just wish TFD players knew we on the WF community *_also_* hate those morons, and are trying our best to rein them in.
The devs of this game have been pretty good about listening to the community, lots of good changes and great quality of life changes, both warframe and TFD are great games with imo great dev teams that talk to community and try fix what they can heck they even refunded for the skins. Honestly give the damn game a chance to make content, it's only been out 5-6 months vs warframe that has been out for years. Day 1 warframe wasn't great either, it got the chance to grow. But yeah, great vid.
Brilliant new year rant Sir ❤
People who glaze warframe and games like it forget that these games been around for so long that any new player can get on and play for all the content it has throughout it’s years of existence, tfd isn’t even a year old and they want to bag on it cause the game didn’t release with 3+ years of content on launch as if it’s a law to launch a game with that much content or the game isn’t good 😂 day one players will fly through the content cause they played the game since launch so they have everything that’s been in the game day one while a new player can literally get on and have so much to do in the game since they are brand new to the game or people who want to start over for the sake of starting over on a different account
Cope
Which is a legitimate criticism...If I go on Steam to look for a F2P looter that I'll get the most enjoyment out of, I'm obviously going to consider the amount of content and completeness of the game, when making my choice on which to stick with.
Now I'm not going to sit here an expect TFD to have 11 years worth of content, but it's certainly going to be a major reason in why I choose not to play it. Of course it's going to be brought up. So let's not act like that criticism is disingenuous or misleading. Yes, we are all aware that TFD is new, lets move on from that. But we are still going to list our reasons for why we still don't think it's as good.
i play both man and get that TFD needs to grow and that my concern is NEXON, they have a graveyard behind their house lol. is really hard for me to invest more money knowing how fickle is the parent company
Warframe fanbase are hypocrite if you call out TFD a gooning game meanwhile these same ppl simping over Wisp and Ember Heirloom's buns
True, but wf doesn't have bikini skins, or clothes, most of it is skin hardened into armor.
TFD has a fetish nun skin. Of course I bought it. lol
i Loved wayfinder you made great videos on it. Warframe is obs the better game but Tfd at release is a better game then warframe and most similar games are when they first came out
Comparing isn't fair. WF is 11 years old and many have forgotten all the shortcomings and mistakes they've made. WF had loot box mechanics at one time, an abandoned and broken PVP system, which if Destiny 2 didn't have would lose 50% of its players. It's took WF something like 7 years to get their shit together and only recently been making strides to the story. imagine playing for 11 years with only the last 2 years getting the story moving, ain't no way with players clearing content in 1-2 months which TFD is trying to deal with. WF was very fortunate with it's fanbase and catering to some of their...weirder ones.
Let’s take Diablo and POE for example… POE smokes Diablo 3 and 4 in everyway because they learned from the original and innovated in many ways without having to go through this cycle that TFD is…so people need to stop acting like this is some small new company who never made games before…especially when they have the monetization Setup so “well”
Over that 11 years of Warframe, I was trying to play the game many times, but could never stick around for longer. I don't know why, but something in the game aesthetic is off-putting for me. In the last 6 months I played more TFD than Warframe combined.
In that 6 months alone TFD had significant improvements, in pre-season and season 1 I thought obtaining ultimate descendants is pretty much impossible, now I have Valby, Bunny, Freyna and Sharen in the oven. I could also craft ult Lepic if I wanted and missing one part of ult Viessa. I bought the dog day one so used void vessel only for getting Keelan.
I wish people who left the game because of the insane grind, could try TFD one more time, but season 2 came like in the worst time possible - right around PoE 2 , Marvel Rivals and Warframe 1999
Play what you enjoy. It really is that simple. I came from warframe and is still playing that as my main game. TFD just seemed too slow of gameplay for me to get invested. Even tjough you start with (base) bunny and later i built valby, it still felt more grounded. Which I'm not a fan of.
Will say TFD shows me what waframe is missing, and thats boss fights. Not the orb Bs, But the raid bosses.
But ill stay with warframe, for the most part, the devs are on the players side, and its trade/market is completely open (if anything its the people having a negative impact on trading not the devs and it happens rarely) sells me on the game. On it being stupid fun too.
Point is, both have merits, both have shortcomings, but TFD just aint for me, it disguises the grinding poorly in my opinion (last i played, may try it again with a couple updates)
I'll play TFD over Warframe anyday. Quit Destiny years ago.
Meh, your lose
Why? Whenever I ask this question, it seems to be that people prefer the human avatars over the warframe avatars.
Don't get me wrong I think TFD has awesome character designs but when compared to warframe it falls a little short. your essentially a human host with divine magic powers in control of ancient space ninjas that all have their own unique abilities and backgeounds. Playing as a caked up soldier with powers is bad ass but warframe has had a lot more time to cook in the oven so obviously its gonna have a level of complexity over TFD. My only gripe is that it looks a tad outdated at times due to its old engine.
My take on this is TFD has been learning from Warframe and WF has been learning from TFD, as you can see in the recent updates in both game’s. TFD will never be a warframe killer but it has the potential to grow as big as Warframe.
I didn't know that at all thru still having trouble time just defeating the boss in the vessel any suggestions. I agree with ya
Also happy New Year 🎉
My experience in both is Warframe is far more complicated game and first descendant is easy to understand and faster to get into building your character while Warframe is like long game that need years of experience just have a hang into newer update
Every first descendant reddit post has these guys. If I wanted to play Warframe I would
I've noticed, I am really tired of these people... since Destiny's launch, they shit on everything else...New looter shooter, and here we go again....
Glazers will always unfortunately exist in every gaming community.
Being a player in warfare since the beginning. I totally agree with this guy the game in the beginning was kinda boring we didn’t have that much stuff to do but 10 years later yeah we got a lot of stuff to do now. Bullet jumping was a bug. It took years for warframe to get a story together. I think TFD will be a good contender give it a few years to actually develop something.
No you’re getting Boar Prime because it’s a gnarly weapon just wait until you get the Incarnon for it. Save your archon shards to upgrade them save and harvest arcanes max them out. And steel path Daviri will really help you get a lot of end game stuff.
I'm not complaining over that item that swap percentages. Cause it'll give them more ideas on how to improve the game.
Yes, since they drop the sharen stealth amorph drops into dungeons now, I do agree that the world felt more lifeless now. The devs have to be more aware of that so I'm looking forward to see how they'll change the world. I mean, I play more private there so I have no reason to do it publicly...unless there's a region boss that spawns periodically.
Absolutely, freyna is busted. She is amazing and stuck with her for a long time cause of that lol. Her reactor farm via the outpost abandon strat is really convenient so I don't have to wait long to get my BiS reactor for my descendents.
I really am playing this pretty slow so I won't burn all the content this game provides. I really enjoy this game. Something just told me since the beta..did they release an alpha build? That this game has potential. They got the drop rate at a good standing, no need to mess with that anymore. I believe the goal now going during Season 2, or perhaps upcoming Season 3 is the rebuilding their zones in the game, to give ppl more reason to play with each other in public rather than private.
3:00 - 3:14 brainfarted
If you were around for Rail jacks lunch, you know that by means, warframe is perfect, Warframe used to be notorious for releasing buggy and broken updates. They have changed this thank goodness.
One thing I’ll always give war frame credit for is for staying the course . Understanding how to budget and promote updates. This is where over a long period of time they’ve managed to actually beat destiny..
But they have been a lot of false promises along the way .
I like first descendant simply because I see a potential . And to be quite honest, I know they won’t put some progressive political nonsense in their game unlike war frame.
And warframes, boss fights are unbelievably bad . I actually don’t blame them for this. The movement is just simply too much to design a decent boss fight around.
Combat being a little slower and more deliberate in the first descendant just feels better to me .
But warfare gets monetisation correct, where is the first descendant has to improve.
War frame has also become a formula, Every update adds a syndicate and reputation grind.
It’s just tedious .
Wf player LR 1 working on LR 2 and the new content.......idk why the kids from "my community" keep crying or yapping about TFD and I'm max MR in tfd rn. This makes much sense as iphone vs andriod. Players these days play ONE game and ONE game only. So if another game similar is out they hate it, that simple. I play WF and TFD, used to play D2 but only 1k hours or something so not for long. Everytime I see D2, WF or TFD hate I realize it's a one game only player and I go about my day enjoying playing both.
I played warframe basicly from the first day of its "early access". Lets say Warframe was MUCH MUCH worse even at release. Warframes major shift happened with The Second Dream Quests which was basicly 6 years of development.
I like both games and i play both games. Judging by their attidute i am not worried so much if they make it or not. Our world moves so fast right now, so people play through content in 1 hour and say "thats it ?" is simply crazy. XD
"Lets say Warframe was MUCH MUCH worse even at release."
It's almost as if Warframe devs jumped into something new, tried to see what worked or not, made the mistakes, learned from them, made improvements, eventually implemented a solid foundation, and after all the hard work was done, TFD came in and copied that foundation.
Yeah, it should be no surprise that TFD launched at a way better state. Majority of the answers are right there in front of them to use.
I LOVE warframe but the problem for me in tfd is the systems like drops feel like they are too long, Content was never the problem. The descendant designs are super cool as little as ive played
change the forma system for the first descendant and models rank to make it seem like you have to max on thing at a time and the game could get even more people to grind it.
I've never played warframe but these fanboys make not want to touch the game period 😭
Garren your honesty on TFD blows other content creators out the water Sir. Have a prosperous 2025 ...EXCELLENT. 👍👍👍
tfd is my 1st online looter-shooter. & surprisingly, it's fun. i admit, i played because of freyna. but I've stay because of the overall gameplay. in less than a month, i farmed 4 ults already. anyway, I've never care about wf or d1/2. i don't know.
Spot in 👍💯
TFD started rough for sure with plenty of room for improvements. While Nexon has experience in live service games the studio they hired to make TFD did not, I think. Korean games have extreme grinds and gimmicks that do not play out as well in the global audience like the balls over bosses' heads to shoot in the invulnerable phase and website events for daily/weekly prizes. Despite language barriers the devs seem to have acknowledged they misjudged the audience preferences and speed of content consumption and have uprooted their plans to address those concerns and moved faster than I have ever seen from a studio. I was worried season 2 was going to be bad because they stopped everything to fix season 1 mid-season. When it comes to farming Season 2 first half, I have got more items I wanted than pre-season and Season 1 combined for much less effort.
Warframe was terrible at launch but evolved into a good game. They were facing going out of business, so they were more accommodating to players initially and had to do some emergency damage control after someone spent thousands of dollars in one evening rolling for a rare pet skin iirc. Tencent owns them now so it's just another tendril for China's war against the west, so I can't support WF anymore. The WF community seems pettier and more insecure than the Genshin Impact Mafia. I don't see too many Destiny fanbois mostly WF peeps attacking. If their game is so superior, why aren't they busy playing it and instead wasting energy tearing down TFD? It's not like WF or their female community managers don't try to leverage sex appeal because they do just not as overtly. They sometimes brigade YT, discords, reddit, even TFD world chat. It utterly pathetic and makes the WF community look bad.
You dropped so many f bombss at rapid fire that the word really started to sound so weird to me
To me warframe was alright. That said going in it was Hella confusing between what do next..what I should be doing and what I could be doing. The first decendents was more stream lined. Plus because the first decendent was more streamlined it's been much much easier to grind and understand. Also the characters do look better like a lot better.
However some cons to first decendent it needs a bit more progression with levels to help with power creep and it's wording needs to be better when dealing with modules. To figure out a build and waste resources only to find out the character flat out nukes your build because of strengths or weaknesses you didn't know about is the worst feeling. As someone with autism. I already feel dumb as is I don't need to feel it even more when a game throws me curve balls.
Now for a note of my own. I'm sure warframe is fun but I could clearly see I wasn't going anywhere after a week of playing and not understanding anything. I know for a fact I only played a few weeks of warframe while iv got two months of first decendent so please take my opinion. With a grain of salt.
I will always compare tfd to warframe but its the core systems not content. I'll say yes there is little content compared to warframe.
I liked tfd i still would play but unfortunately over the time its been out its clear the devs only care about the sexual part of female characters. Thats great and all i dont care really. But when you sacrifice everything like modding system, monetization, and lack of customization. For the skins and basically coat shit with sugar. Im not interested. I love warframe and the skins. The skins are cool like a robot samurai (vauban) and the systems are really good and feel rewarding. But tfds systems still feel bad thats why im not coming back. (But unfortunately this opinion of mine will make me out to be a fanboy probably)
Nah, you're good man. I started with The First Descendant from day 1 and while I enjoy it, definitely see the areas where it can still improve.
Finally getting into Warframe (Just unlocked the Venus area and Fortuna) and the movement is insane to me. I also appreciate how the skins are more centered around how cool the frames are. Can't wait to get to the 1999 content. 😎
Your opinion is 100% valid. I personally still fail to see the issues in monetization because you can farm everything in the game completely free and it's only been made easier. Like I said in the video TFD has issues, I'm not denying anything, but we are talking about a newly released looter shooter. Yeah they copied Warframe and D2, but this is not unusual in the gaming industry. This happens more times then people realize, but because it's happening to their favorite game now it's an issue. Either way this was a rant video. Nothing cohesive or coherent, it was more of a blowing off some steam kind of video as I don't do these often.
@@GarrenBelmont sadly there are just people who want to see it fail for no apparent reason.
@@GarrenBelmont ill start by saying this i would still love to play tfd but its just not enough to look at tits and ass its not making core systems feel better
I understand but the problem with monetization is that it's what 1200 caliber for an energy activator or farming (which is rough from (almost purposely rigged) drop rates) and in warframe as you been ben playing a orokin reactor or catalyst is isn't necessarily farmable but only cost 20 platinum and the battle pass (nightwave) you can buy them from there. Same this for crystallization catalysts (forma in warframe) Coloring and no color pallets or permanent colors and customization ties into the monetization as well. The core systems that were copied like your modding system (modding system in warframe) your amorphous materials (relic system in warframe) high shape stabilizers (void trace refinement system). These copied 1:1 parts of the game seem to ME like they were intentionally made worse or they had to have been. Because if said systems were copied 1:1 why purposely make them worse?
Again I like tfd its just copied a lot from a 11 year old "template" but suspicious has the copied core systems being arduous
@@coronavirus19023 I didnt I say I want tfd to fail. Guess you must be a hardcored tfd player sorry. I really just want to know why what they copied feels purposely worse.
My main concern is that Wf was a passion project, I just hope tfd doesn’t get axed before the game can make something of itself.
Before tfd even came out everyone expressed how bad nexon is.
@@sumdood7410yeah , TFd also brought a lot of western attention to nexon , I honestly didn’t know of that company before TFd
the thing about TFD i don't think TFD have time like Warframe does on launch, Warframe could survive 11 years ago because there's no competitor on that time and the only competitor comes 1 year later which is Destiny and its only for console, so i think TFD need to step up their game to survive because they directly compete with Warframe and Destiny now (i know Destiny is dying but its still more popular than TFD)
TFD is not looking so good atm but i hope TFD is could survive and not become another Lost Ark or New World because i like the genre, competition is good for the market and more good game to play is a win to me
Ive liked TFD, for the bit Ive been able to play it. Ive been looking into why but TFD continuely crashes on me. Sometimes I can play for a hour and its fine before it crashes, other times I barely load into the game and it immediately crashes.
disable the fellows. They've been having issues that causes crashing in latest patch.
@1doobiedoo Fellows? If you mean the pets i dont have one.
I was a fan of Destiny, big one back in Destiny 1 and played for a good while the second one, today it makes me want to have my money back after they made it all woke shit.
Never played first descendant after the beta. Got bored. But to each their own.. restaurants have a menu for a reason😊 different tastes and all
Nothing wrong with that and I like that analogy. I'm going to steal that at some point.
I have 3400 hours in Warframe and I started this game a few days ago. I’m really enjoying it, I gave it time to work in its teething troubles and it seems ok for a F2P game that’s 6 months old. There’s no competition here from DE they want you to play other games. No one paid money to obtain this game people need to chill and have a bit of perspective 🤣
i hope tfd does not follow in warframe's shoes i'm going to be honest, it needs new content and fun shit to do but i really don't want it to go the way of warframe with adding multiple systems to compensate for the new content they cram in without any thought and how it impacts the game, i've complained about this in warframe years ago that over half of the warframes were useless in high level play, to me it seems that the game needs to find it's own identity and it needs to make sure that identity is likeable and definitely doesn't just copy anymore shit from warframe because if they do i feel like people will lose interest, i believe that reactors and components are very good since it helps with power creep and it help alleviate problems but maybe not just add more systems to farm in order to keep the pace with the difficulty, i pray to god that the first descendant does not fail because the most important thing is competition and people who are against it i feel are dumb because without the competition a lot of warframe players are just complacent with whatever the hell happens and maybe with a bit of competition both games can be made better.
i agree Warframe balance is so fked that's the reason Warframe become more like a horde shooter and can't have a good bossfight, it's slowly get better since Pablo running the show but its not an easy fix and its gonna be a while for them to fix that
what i want in TFD is a raid with a good bossfight, thats gonna fill the hole that Warframe don't have
To be fair TDF have a fair share of this group crying about 😂 its both ways either way
I have no idea how to respond because that sentence was broken af. I'm going to decipher and say you are talking about people voicing frustration (crying) about content in the game? Yeah that's how gaming communities work. We aren't mindless drones. Everybody has differences in opinion. That's called free will.
Ive been playing it since beta, i play warframe and some destiny too, i made jokes here n there like "this fucking grapple hook sucks! Why isnt it like valkyrs??" Or "the enemy has fucking destiny guns, i want that." But i never be so serious about it, i find this game fun and im honestly hoping it keeps going.
Warframe set a road map for how talk to your community and be respectful to the consumer.....Destiny....did not.....Helldivers 2 switched up soon as space marine started taking their pie away...rivals managed to get blizzard to give players free skins that would have been pay to buy. TFD seems like its on good steps...just dont go Destiny and you should be fine
Hey I'ma destiny 2 fanboy I love tfd I'm loving the devs I'm excited for tfds future regardless of what happens with destiny and Warframe
Warframe vet 10yrs. Also play tfd yea warframe used to be pay to live it cost 10 Plat to revive lol. But that was pretty much the beginning of online gaming for consoles so they had time to develop and grow. Unfortunately games today don't necessarily get that luxury because players want it now. For me I love both my only problem with tfd is they honestly stretched amorphous materials. It's only 49 descendants and weapons so over 200 materials is excessive. 2 ways to farm an ultimate sometimes needing 1 part from a colossus is stretching content. On comparison, it's a different feel from warframe besides looter shooter tbh
I kind of agree. But comparing TFD at launch to WF at launch is like comparing apples to oranges. The market and the whole industry has shifted so much in those 10+ years that it might as well be on a different planet. WF was very bland at launch but there was no other game like that around so it became somewhat of a trend-setter. On the other hand, TFD rolled in as an amalgam of its predecessors, having no identity whatsoever, except for "oh look we have big boobas here". Hopefully, they can still find it and not get lost in the whirlpool of pleasing the loudest ones. Like, Void Chasers was a decent update but you can draw direct parallels with the Zariman, only one was a soulful interpretation of a vessel lost in the void and the other just a generic semi-abandoned spaceship you've seen in a million other games.
Im trying to like TFD but Nexon's reputation, the monetization ( TFD premium skins are over 2x more than WF deluxe skins), and the poor optimization are really dragging the game down for me.
Hopefully Nexon takes the game seriously and dont just treat it like another cash grab like mobile game devs love to do. Hell the palword devs are sticking by their game instead of your typical "asset flip and dip" so maybe there's a chance for Nexon to do the same.
These people literally cry about not having content but no amount of content will ever make them happy and they should be reasonable enough to understand the devs are just human beings making a game, they can’t be making endless f**king content for every second of every day, the devs can literally see how sweaty the community is on the hardcore meta player side of things they know nothing can stop us lol
Trust me it’s impossible to please the sweats we farm to damn fast.. sweats don’t even realize how hard they are farming and leveling But I’m not really proud of this I’m saying most sweats don’t really stop and look at how much they are doing when you really think about it
I have like almost 40 million kuiper and like 500,000,000 gold, left over. keep 5 energy reactors on me basically always, I have 300 red modules to combine every time the new red mods come out I get them right away because of that,
I farmed my dog literally in 1 night “before they fixed the farm” and built and leveled it to 30 in 2 days.. I’ve probably farmed the dog like 10 times by helping friends get it,
I farmed Hailey in 2 days “before they fixed the farm” I’ve literally killed 200 bosses at the end of leveling and farming randomly for fun, I farm like 330 quantum a day, from the start of season 2 until now I think I’ve used about 120 catalyst.. I don’t even remember how 💀
I’ve had over 300 sets of every weapon and character in the game on me at once opening the drop at the end after killing a boss means nothing to me anymore lol, killed every boss endless times, all my characters have godroll reactors and 3 full builds that are mid maxed usually 15/20 catalyst per character and weapon, maxed Sharen in 1 day like every other character. It’s sad really 😂 my waifus can’t even get any rest all they know is farming.
Thank you good sir. 🧐
swearing that much because of a videogame is cringe, and one of the reasons why TFD gets so much heat, fans of the game like to go to the extremes. there is no need to curse on Warframe players in general, most of us also played or play TFD with no problems. personally, i don't play TFD or Destiny anymore because I see their monetization as anti-player friendly and catered towards cashwhales. that being said it's only natural that games released today will be compared to stablished names, especially when TFD blatantly copied Warframe and Destiny in so many ways
This was a rant video. A video of me blowing off some steam and venting frustration. I swear a lot. It's me and if you don't like it you are not obligated to watch or listen. Have a nice day and enjoy the new year.
I've played Warframe since it's beta. I have roughly 10k hours in it and basically for many years it was the only game I played.
I remember that the game looked bad, had no content at all and nobody believed that game would survive and the same thing is happening to TFD.
Honestly I was looking for a game to replace Warframe for me and after TFD released I haven't looked back. I disliked the balance changes, their lore became weird and they obviously started injecting propaganda into the game.
I'm willing to financially support the TFD devs and let them cook however long they need simply because they were listening to all the feedback very closely unlike Warframe devs who respond to any criticism with "my way or the highway".
I'm just not even going to pick apart some of the points you made in this one. But what I will say is, that if I were to guess, I just have a feeling that for someone like you with 10 THOUSAND hours in a game, you are probably jaded, tired of Warframe, and have been needing an excuse to take a break from it.
What I have learned a lot over the years about reviews from fans of a video game, is that there are 2 types of players where you should take much of what they say with a grain of salt:
Players that are new - because they have no context and full understanding of the game
Players that have obscene amount of hours - because they are most likely jaded and overly critical
Yall really have to stop with that “but WF game is eleven years old” argument because regardless of the age that gives no excuse for TFD to follow monetization so heavily but have less innovation to offer best comparison is Diablo to POE …age doesn’t mean we excuse incompetence especially when they can focus on so much monetizations… you would think having more years to learn from that they would’ve took a better route with the game but no it’s just made for your money
Side note The game wuthering waves is steam rolling genshin impact in so many ways but yet we give NEXON an excuse for not being able to keep up with what they were inspired by…like cmon let’s stop the bullshit
It is not about warframe being better (even if it indeed is better). TFD has a good game hidden somewhere under all the predatory monetization tactics. And it is under umbrella of nexon. Putting your trust - and in your case livelyhood - into a game that is being owned by a company of such "great" reputation is bold move. I wouldnt trust them with a broken stick. Even if ultimately TFD is catchy shooter with nice characters - I played about 13 hours and I had fun. But one look into their farming and monetization mechanics made me realize, that only thing that can be found here is a huge dissapointment somewhere later and time wasted into something that ultimately leave me disgusted and with bitter taste in my mouth as I am inevitably returning to warframe or any other game.
You are absolutely right, some people take it on a personal level to attack what other people like. Warframe is not even comparable to TFD, I never played it because the looks of it dosent interest me.
Not even comparable? Dude, just stop.
TFD have no issues, absolutely great F2P shooter. Look guys, you can get tons of stuff free if you stick with the game and don't forget that Ultimate Sharen (which is dope af) can be obtained free like all other descendants.
Plus:
Game is balanced now in S2 surprisingly well. Try to make more excuses not to play TFD. I don't make apologies about, that i love this game.
As someone whose played both, I've put over 1332hrs into The First Descendant, Cleared both Battle Passes which arent difficult to complete compared to Fortnites. I've Maxed majority of Weapons/Ult. Weapons 3 left to do, RANK 27, Unlocked all Descendants and Ults, except for Ajax. I like every single character they all are designed well. The men are men and women LOOK like women. The games fun!
I wanted to see what the Warframe players were talking about so Im taking a break to grind out this game. I tried it to and so far to me this game sucks so far and its like its work is still in transit. I hope this changes.
With an 1hr in.
I will continue to play it to see what Warframe Fans are talking about, while I compare and contrast the two. The Designs are like meh, but not great or appealing. You can literally HOLD a single button and they do the moves automatically, it will automatically blocks bullet when you move. No skill or reflex's needed here so far.
Does bro not know the concept of learning from other games mistake?
I played TFD and even though i didn't like it i know that it's just not my style no hate if you like it you do you
I think it needs to be said that it is actually totally fair to compare Warframe as it is now, to TFD as it is now. Warframe HAS had a decade of development put into it, and it has come a LONG way in that time. I played in its closed beta, I know EXACTLY what Warframe was like back in t he day. But the truth of the matter is that the player cares about 'what's going to be the most enjoyable for me to put my time into?' They're not going to grade on a curve because WF has had 11 years in the oven and TFD hasn't. They're going to play the game that's the most fun NOW, end of discussion.
If you want to break into a market that already has entrenched, established names, you HAVE to come correct with a clear, defined plan. You HAVE to know what you're doing, and how you're going to set yourself apart. I played TFD when it first launched and didn't really stick with it. It was FINE. There wasn't anything wrong with it, but it didn't do anything that felt truly noteworthy to me. It was competently made, but when I've got 11 years worth of sunk cost fallacy dragging me back to Warframe to collect new frames and guns, to do my weekly tasks like archon hunts and Kahl garrison missions, to start trying to tackle Steel Path... I need something that feels revolutionary enough to break that habit that I've already formed. There are too many time-sink live service games out there, and I simply don't see Nexon doing anything with TFD that makes me feel like I need to drop a game I'm already playing to grind TFD every day instead. Get mad if you want, I don't really care. Just telling you how it is.
Exactly. When gamers are choosing on Steam, on which game they should invest their time into, they don't consider how new a game is and give it a free pass for it. Maybe they'll choose the game that is the newest simply because they want to get in on the shiniest new shit, or jump on the current "new game" hype bandwagon to see what all the talk is about, but that's really it.
But WE ALL instinctively care about how good the game is NOW is comparison to others. Our time and money is valuable and we want the best one. Sorry to hear that your game is new and still needs more improvements/content. Maybe we'll check back in a few years from now, but that's just the reality of it.
I've tried playing Warframe in 2014, 2020 and 2024, quitting the game each time at the beginning stages. The TFD is simply more lively due to the shared hub.
Only think that I care in tfd is getting all the female characters that I think are pretty, don't care if Warframe or destiny 2 are better gameplay wise cause, Warframe haves fugly characters and destiny 2 got bored in tutorial to me. My first looter shooter was TFD. Only flaw of the game is expensive skins, if they had any system to farm all skins the game would have at least 3x more player base, but I understand that Nexon wants for farm everything from the g00ners.
I play both TFD and WarFrame just let them cook a little longer they will get there I need them to focus on melee and better traversal elements but let em cook
I personally like TFD better I tried to get into Warframe but I couldn’t I just hated the way the characters looked and the way they run.
As a Warframe player, I have no idea why this community is so obsessed with bullying others into playing Warframe when I know they'll eventually bully people into quitting Warframe as well. Even in Warframe you can't do anything without someone lecturing you on how you're supposed to play the damn game, just let people enjoy themselves.
I keep seeing people say this but it’s been the opposite lol. If it is there, we need to get rid of it.
Gaming elitism is everywhere sadly, warframe is pretty chill in most places but sometimes stuff like eidolon hunts or other min-maxed farms or missions can bring out the crazies.
Warframe player here as well, I can't stand the majority of WF fans either bc they never stfu. Watch any streamer that starts the game, and chat has to spoil everything, outdoing each other with who knows most about the lore etc. A lot of annoying and pretentious assholes, but main thing is that player numbers remain healthy so it is what it is.
@@Rage-_-Quit This is not a Warframe playerbase issue. It's a gamer thing. All those complaints can be applied to any game fanbase that is large enough with a passionate fanbase. A new streamer player their game, you will get backseaters and spoilers. A "rip-off" of their favorite game comes out and you can always expect players to trash it.
For the most part, Warframe fans are pretty chill and cool people, and I think that has a lot to do with it being a relatively easy/chill PvE game that really doesn't breed toxicity as much as a PvP game does. And also the fact that Digital Extremes are so down to earth, caring, they treat fans well, and are very open and honest with the fans. Which I think DE's actions and the way they treat their players kind of sets an example to the community, trickles down, and the players kind of replicate that kindness.
But ANY game that grows a large enough playerbase is going to have annoying players, unhinged players, and toxic players. There are people that exist in this world that are not pleasant, so theoretically if your game is big enough, some of those terrible people are going to just so happen to be in that community.
It's the same shit as comparing destiny and Warframe or any other looter shooter, that said in TFD I hate the drop rate and lack of diversity I'll come back in a few months.
Warframe was boring to me the first several years of release. Tried it 3-4 times over about 4 years. Came back year 5 ish and had a good time and still quit. I hate the aesthetic of warframe to this day. Gameplay wise it is fun but grind wise i still don't get the systems fully and not that i can't but taking the time to do so isn't worth my time imo. First descendant has issues but the core game "feel" feels good and the character designs look badass and the ladies are hot, yes but that's just gravy on top. The cyber knight aesthetic they are going for hits my brain just right and the more "battle appropriate" suits on the ladies look incredible. Aesthetic counts for alot. Warframe looks like H.R. Geiger's children had a fever dream. Not a fan but that's okay warframe will survive, people hoping for this game to fail come off as weird to me.
If you want to compare Warframe and First Descendant in a fair way, you have to compare them by launch state each. :D Just saying.
I tested both and i like First Descendant more.