As always thank you for all of the work you do and freely post onto UA-cam. You're my preferred source on this subject matter and I'll be here as long as you're producing such great content!
Vince is the only reviewer I've seen pointing out micro stutter on the standard 50Hz content we get in the UK, which is really noticeable as soon as you spot it. Can't believe this is still an issue on some TVs. There really is no excuse.
Frequency is frequency. To change it the frequency would need to be changed automatically by the TV or monitor. Then we’d likely not be getting the exact frequency as advertised- perhaps a few FPS difference here or there. Facts is we get 50HZ through the wall end of. Or could always move to America 😂
It’s also a problem over here in the US, with 60Hz content…very noticeable during football, especially pre snap. That’s why I turn off MCFI/TruMotion…I just can’t take the side effects of it. I loath SOE…and hate artifacts. I enjoy my 24p film cadence, but do dislike when things start looking like a slide show due to sample and hold. What really urks me…is that there is a near black flickering with TruMotion enabled on the CX, which shows up a lot in DV/HDR content. Idk…there’s just too many negative with it, to use it..in my use case, and for my eyes. I will say, I really do like how motions resolution is improved…..I’ve tried a million times to use De-Judder on 1, or use Cinema Clear…I find the artifacts and SOE to still be too annoying. It makes many scenes look better…but then will ruin another one.
I usually dont comment on anything.. but i had to return 2 c1 tvs because of some weird vertical bars on both sides of the panel. I used the 2nd c1 for few days before returning it. Finally i got an a80j 55 inch. And i can confirm.. the picture quality is definitely better on the sony and the colours are much more natural . for gaming i really cant see any difference when it comes to motion and respose time , But the visual are again better on the a80j. Thats just my experience with these oleds.
thank you sir, your input made me feel better about my decision to go with the Sony over the LG, from all my research Sony wins all around more than the LG, too bad Because I wanted to try the Dolby vision thing
I recently purchased the 65" LG C1. The picture is amazing. Even brighter than I thought. But.... while watching Disney+ it keeps crashing and bringing me back to the home screen of the Disney app. It only started when I got the new tv. Have you experienced this with your tv ?
Gee i don't know Vincent, you missed another opportunity to talk about 'Stark' contrast during GOT.😁 Seriously you can't go wrong with either of these sets. I'll hopefully be picking up an A80J 77" sometime soon. Thanks for another excellent vid.✌️
Do you have a basic starter list of settings for the C1 that you found brought it more in line to the A80J in terms of color accuracy and general image processing, black levels, etc - things that in your view are no brainers? (I have seen your Three LG C1 Settings Video btw). There are clear differences between the two, but it seems to me that unless viewing each side by side, BOTH are incredible and the perceivable picture quality to all but the most discerning of people is nearly exactly the same? Thank you in advance and your work is incredible.
Nah a90j vs Jz2000, as they are the best TVs you can get, and the only person who would buy a g1 over these two would do so for gaming making the other two not worth thinking about, but for the non gamers the pana and Sony are the real choices.
Or VRR, FreeSync or G-Sync. It seems like Sony doesn't care as much about gaming features this year than Xbox, even though they both instigated HGiG. Also, why they chose to make one of their two HDMI 2.1 ports eARC is beyond me.
@@cun7us Yep, which is sad as I only care for PS5 since thankfully M$ is so friendly to leave everything they had for PC... It's sad that Dolby vision gaming is only happening on Xbox and the normal PS4\PS5 HDR is probably made exactly to make samsung persistence in HDR10+ to even pay off much more since HDR10 is what games will be using on the PS5 and the HDR10+ crap will simply make HDR10 better and sadly it's not very common for TV's to have "HDR10+" + Dolby Vision, most get stuck in HDR10 + Dolby Vision (the ones that support both). Then Xbox is probably also the only one to get Dolby Atmos gaming support while Sony went for their own tempest 3D which I think is only another Fake surround crap to add on top of every current brand X, Y, Z amazing new 3D sound technology which is all the same fake crap (based on reverbs and echoes on top of reverbs and boom call it 7.1)... And even more sad is Sony does indeed support Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision on the PS5 if I'm not mistaken so it means they actually paid DOLBY royalties and then have no use for them as they leave it only for movies and have left them off for the number 1 feature of their hardware which is playing games on a god damn gaming console (it's even stupider than Samsung as they only want MAX profit so they deny to pay Dolby royalties to finally have Dolby support on their TV's like other brands do, Sony pays but just to leave the features there sleeping for movies like if gamers will ever applaud to that crap). ps: Sony is always like: Here's your number 1 gaming feature specially made for gamers... But only for movies!!. THANK YOU GAMERS ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND BELIEF IN OUR BRAND :)
@@PSYCHOV3N0M nice one :) Hope it's not another X90H all the promised features went to... HELL Well eventually after a year Sony indeed made the 4K 120hz working at least then the quality is all blurred and they never fixed it because the crap cheap chinese MTK they chose basically wasn't powerful enough to process 4K 120 FPS with good quality so they had to compress stuff looking like Vaseline added on top. Then they claimed to fix that vaseline and yeas they did a few time later by just updating the TV with just added sharpness as a fix that never fixed it or did anything at all because adding sharpness would never fix a compressed lower quality blurred image, just slightly improve it on the fake side. Up to this day the promised VRR on the old X90H most likely is still awaiting lool In terms of software Sony is the worse brand out there as just like on modern Playstation consoles they can't even make a lag-free menu like any other console brand (other than the PS5), they also take huge time to fix stuff and they tend to break stuff from "x" to "x" update. On the X90H I had 2 for only like a month and Sony kept fixing something and completely breaking others even with a TV they already had for a full year working on it after release (I totally remember just 1st update after getting the TV completely broke it and made the TV to keep randomly restarting). Then they fixed the restart issues and broke the sound and they keep this goin on and ON for ever FFS SONY... ps: if you go Sony way don't expect them to activate or fix missing features so soon and keep your hopes very low, in fact you can keep your hope high is that at certain updates they will keep breaking something that was perfectly working before ~GUARANTEED! :)
Same as the previous years, had to decide between the LG and Sony, the picture on the Sony just looks more detailed with better lighting. Have my 55A8 and absolutly love it! :)
I have the C1, use it for a fair bit of PC gaming and Netflix and when I saw the Sony A80j, the image is definitely better, just seems more detailed, better clarity. I'm still more than happy with the C1, it's a shame Sony haven't given better support for gaming on their TVs, considering the premium price tag.
In my corner of the world I just got 65 incher LG C1 on sale for some 1600 Euros, and that´s with an XBOX S thrown in as present (worth 300 Euros here), while A80J costs 2300 Euros at least for 65 inch. In my case, there was no contest between the two :)
I think mentioning pre calibration accuracy would be worth mentioning. According to rtings, the sony comes much closer to reference out of the box. I doubt i would get my TV calibrated, so this is an important thing for some people.
LG always has terrible color accuracy out of the box. My C6 has too much green in the white balance for ISF expert bright and dark room picture modes. Sony always does a better job with color accuracy out of the box. Even their cheaper models have good color accuracy. Which is why my next TV will be from Sony. Sony televisions also do a better job with shadow detail unlike LG which crush shadow detail.
@@billybigballs5776 It's a method that gets the TV to produce the most 'true' colours. you need special equipment and experience to do it properly. Most TVs lately have a very good out of the box calibration in 2022.
A major consideration for those in smaller markets like NZ is that the LG webOS lacks region specific apps like Sky TV. Where as Sony being Android based does have these.
I went A80J and regret nothing. I do play some games on PS5 but I am mostly a PC gamer so my main use is TV and movies. Everything just "pops" and even old DVD's look good. I love the GoogleTV OS as well. In addition, I'm not getting this TV "professionally" calibrated, and the Sony seems to have better colour accuracy out of the box so that's a bonus. Doesn't seem like you can go wrong with either TV this year unless you are going to use the TV to mostly game, then the C1 makes more sense.
I have just order the 65"A80J, i have really pushed the boat out on this TV, never had a TV that looks as good as this does, can't wait for it to arrive,
Hi, great comment, I wonder how this Sony A80J performs with new Apple TV 4K especially with movies like The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit or Star Wars. I have many movies like these ones and action too, I'm planning to get one of these tvs in the holidays but I can't decide yet between A80J or LG C1. I'm hopping you can help me to make my decision, than you..
@@saamejia the A80J is a brilliant tv and I'm really pleased with it, it up scales 1080p brilliantly and 4k is fantastic, for watching movies most people say the A80J is better,from what I've heard the LG C1 is also a great TV, but I'm more than happy with the A80J it's a absolute joy, oled TV'S are stunning, you really can't go wrong with either, I hope that helps
Unfortunately the LG C1 doesn't support DTS and DTS-HD audio passthrough via (e)ARC or Optical, so it doesn't seem like a great purchase for those of us that can't afford new and expensive HDMI 2.1 compliant AV receivers. I've got an old Onkyo HT-R558 and I believe it would have better compatibility with Sony A80J. Obviously LG C1 is superior choice for gaming and as a gamer this is a tough choice, but I think I'll try to look for A80J deals during next Black Friday sales.
This is exactly the review I needed. I was planning to buy the SONY A80J. However, seeing the screenshot at minute-marker 10:00 where the SONY A80J has a setting comment: "Your TV setup doesn't support 4K UHD at 120Hz." gives me pause. My main use for this TV will be PC gaming with a Radeon 6700 XT video card, which drives 4K at 120Hz. Although I suppose I could give up Dolby Vision gaming in future when games can deliver 4K at 120Hz. Also, after learning LG C1 supports G-sync and FreeSync (and SONY A80J does not) I'm leaning toward the LG C1. I do like the colors of the A80J and I definitely like superior upscaling in SONY mentioned at 11:49, which will be useful for continuing to play 1080p titles on the Nintendo Switch. Trying to decide the trade-off between FreeSync in the LG C1 and colors plus upscaling of the A80J. Will update this when purchase is done.
@@korndog81 It was the comment and screenshot at minute marker 10:00. However, your reply here got me to re-watch the video and I have edited my comment.
@JungleBubble I'm a PC gamer and have a shiny new MSI Gaming Radeon RX 6700 XT video card. That said, your comment got me to re-think a bit. I've edited my comment.
Great review, nice objective test with decent measurements and good point made about stutter which is more obvious on the LG. What impressed me about the Sony was its surprisingly fantastic upscaling on SD pictures which after all applies to most freeview channels. LG and Sony I think both use the same LG screen but different electronics. I went A80J because there’s no visible difference in contrast, just on paper. Sony have hands down the better software/motionflow processor chips and out of the box, one of the most accurate colour pallets I’ve ever seen. LG smoothing not up to the Sony standard. Turn off motionflow in sony for a better picture or leave at low. Ditto noise reduction. Atmos 3d surround sound translated to my 5:1 soundbar set up was fantastic on the Sony. Don’t know how sq might translate on LG. Worth mentioning that the A80J also has both Dalby Black and UHD IMax Ultra picture modes which automatically engage with streamed content filmed in DB or I Max Ultra. Utterly fabulous picture quality, especially Dolby Black…the very best OLED screen I’ve ever seen for films. However, for realism and 3D effect, Sony’s medium and top tier full array backlit screens still produce the sharpest most believable picture, starting with their Bravia XF series(now superseded) BUT be warned as plenty of their backlit led screens seem to pack up, usually not long after warranty ends. Our XF9005 failed after just 4 years hence I’ve taken a big risk on the A80J bought as a replacement. LG usually fair much better and seem to have fewer reported failures.
I have the A80j in my den and a CX in our living room. I can barely tell the difference in real content between the two. I would imagine it’s even closer between the A80j and c1. However, I can absolutely notice the difference in gaming features between the two, vrr just feels much better. I’m also seeing the c1 $200 cheaper than the A80j at 65”. I just don’t see marginally better PQ as a reason to pay $200 more for less features on the A80j. Unless they are literally side by side the difference is negligible. I’m also very weary about Sony’s implementation of said gaming features, if they ever come. I would feel better if on Sony’s website it listed the A80j as getting vrr via firmware update. Unfortunately, the only thing mention is “other 2021 models”. I’m assuming intentionally vague in the event they can’t get it working. Even then it will never get 120hz Dolby Vision, and who knows if there will be a drop in picture quality when using vrr if we ever get it. Heck I’m even skeptical of vrr coming to the ps5 at this point. Wish they’d have taken gaming as serious as they’re picture processing, it is as important these days. If there was parity in features along with marginally better PQ I’d be happy to justify the extra couple hundred dollars. How is it the largest gaming company in the world lacks some of the biggest features in gaming on both their TVs and consoles? Sony had plenty of time to get these things right and has failed big time.
Hi, great comment, I wonder how this Sony A80J performs with new Apple TV 4K especially with movies like The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit or Star Wars. I have many movies like these ones and action too, I'm planning to get one of these tvs in the holidays but I can't decide yet between A80J or LG C1. I'm hopping you can help me to make my decision, than you..
@@saamejia movie watching no question A80j, it has the better picture quality. Gaming on a Xbox series X with vrr then c1, unless Sony makes good on their promise of vrr in the near future.
@@saamejia only for games has nothing to do with movies or tv. Syncs the frame rate to the refresh rate of the display so it feels smoother while playing fast paced games.
Vincent I got a CX on closeout will be in next week. The A80j was not on my radar. I could swap but I would have to lay 600 more for the same 77 inch size. Some are saying the A80j has much better quality and its not even close. I mainly stream and watch blue ray. I will game on PS5 only. Is it worth the 600 price difference do you think?
Amazing video mate. I was leaning towards the C1 and your video confirmed my choice as I do gaming everyday. With the latest firmware update from Sony adding VRR does that now put both on par with gaming for console only?
Yea now with the VRR update on the Sony, they are pretty much equal there. Also the Sony has better Sound + supports DTS. But the main argument for me is just the better Picture-Prozessor which is providing more details. I just went to buy the Sony A80J in 77 inch for 2400€ 🤗
@@derek4177 good to hear bestbuy had a sell only for 55 inch sony a80j only for only 900$ the c1 is slightly more expensive at 1100 55" I went with aj80 going to pickup now .
@@tonymack2007 niceeee, congrats man. I would have still picked the Aj80 even if was 100-200$ more expensive. But at these prices its a no brainer. 😂 I am so happy with mine. Watching movies and series is absolutely awesome. And on top of that, even watching UA-cam or Twitch, which is often just in 1080p, but it looks pretty much like 4k with the great processing. Before I had a LG C9 in only 55 inch, which looked more "pixely" watching 1080p content than with my 77 inch now. 😆
Great vid as always sir. I have small problem. I have xbox one x and the Sony x900h TV. Obviously the TV can do 4k 120 but one x can only do 4k 60. My question is, is it a better gaming experience in 4k 60 or in 1080p 120? I only play call of duty if that helps. Have a great day my friend
Sorry I'm a bit late with this question. How do they compare when passing Dolby Digital sound from an HDMI input the to the ARC HDMI output. LG TVs are (I currently have a B8, considering an upgrade to one of these sets) notorious for introducing delays to the audio stream leading to lip sync errors which are inconsistent and so difficult to tune out. Does the Sony A80J have the same problem? Would be grateful if someone could advise on this aspect. I understand that the LG C1 still has this problem from AV forum posts. A bit more detail - I'm currently using an HDMI splitter to separate my Sky HD output into video and audio streams for the TV & Soundbar which works but seems a bit clunky. The other recommended solution is to turn off Dolby at the Sky box, but that's something I'd rather avoid. Another attempted solution is to use an Optical/Co-Axial lead to feed audio from the Sky box to the soundbar, but that doesn't work because my Samsung soundbar treats the optical and ARC leads as if they came from the same source (called "Digital In"), and switches over the ARC input on its own.
Thanks for all the awsome reviews! I was wondering about the black levels in the game of thrones scene, as my tv set a80j displays the black levels similar to c1, with the default settings on cinema mode. Is the picture overbrightned to reflect the test? Also, have you tried the "black adjust" setting on a80j to reduce black levels?
I like how you compared the chipset limitations presented by the firmware they currently use. However it should be worth mentioning that several new features and updates have recently happened and VRR support has been slowly starting to roll out. I think the issues with Dolby Vision and 120 hertz gaming are valid but it’s worth noting that all that aside the bottom line is the tech in the A8|90j series is better but requires some updates keep this in mind when buying a tv since while it may be a better tv for gaming currently; the out of box capabilities of the A80J plus the ability to fix a lot of these issues in the future ultimately means for an investment the A80J has the most potential, LG has all the features out there with very little to improve and Sony is a canvas waiting to be filled. Yes I’m a Sony fan boy but I’m not sponsored or paid by them, I just enjoy their beautifully engineered televisions and have since the 80s. Also it’s just my particular opinion.
Hello, currently in my country, both 55" LG C1 and 65" Sony X90J have around the same price. For mostly watching movies and streaming, which one would you recommend? (oled vs bigger led tv)
First of all thanks for the video and greetings from Vienna! I own a Panasonic 64FZW804 and I'm thinking about to upgrade to a 77" C1. Because the Pana has bad gaming performance (eg. Far Cry 6, AC Valhalla tearing). I would like to now if the C1 has a better movie performance then the 3 yrs old Pana 804? 3yrs ago the Pana had a quite better performance compared to the LG C8 but what about the C1? Thanks :)
Hello Vincent, I'm from Germany and currently the 65" A80J and the 65" LG G1 are in the same price range. The G1 is technically cheaper but the fact that you have to buy a stand for the G1 since it doesn't come with feet makes it slightly more expensive. I'm torn between those two and my takeaway from this video and the "G1 vs A90J" is that Sony's XR processing provides better HDR and picture quality. However, the G1 has the Evo OLED and is supposed to be the high-end model so I think the G1 might provide a superior picture in the end. I really don't like LG's WebOS and prefer AndroidTV but I'm willing to sacrifice an HDMI port for a Chromecast/GGTV. Another important factor is the clearance underneath the TV. The LG TVs seem awfully low and I need them to be slightly higher to fit a soundbar, which Sony provides a great solution for. Gaming is completely irrelevant to me so my main concern is Movies and a bit of TV. Also, my room is very bright which I darken for movies but daylight viewing brightness is somewhat important too. I hope you or somebody can share a bit of advice on A80J vs G1 considering they're the same price.
@@ashurplays Ich habe mir den Sony geholt und bin sehr zufrieden damit. Ausschlaggebend war, dass ich AndroidTV besser finde. Die koreanischen WebOS schalten nämlich Werbung im Homescreen und bei der Preisklasse ist das unangemessen. Ebenfalls hätte ich den G1 aufhängen müssen, damit meine Soundbar drunter passt. Mein Sony hatte jedoch nach ein paar Monaten eine defekte Pixelspalte, aber der Fernseher wurde vom Support komplett und (fast) ohne Probleme ausgetauscht. Das nervige war, dass der Kundendienst ein Foto vom defekten Bildschirm haben möchte, wo der 65" Fernseher komplett sichtbar ist, aber das Foto gleichzeitig nicht größer als 1-2MB sein darf. Mit den Anforderungen war es quasi unmöglich eine (1!) defekte Spalte sichtbar zu fotografieren und es musste viel diskutiert werden. Der Ersatzfernseher lief bisjetzt tadellos. Tagsüber sind OLEDS aber viel zu dunkel für Filme, wenn man den Raum nicht fast komplett abdunkeln kann. Bei dunklen Szenen erkennt man quasi nichts. Mein Familie hat den A90J da ist es minimal besser. Abends ist es aber ein Genuss.
I just bought a C1 65" but not delivered so I can still change the order. I Don't game on my TVs, would be rare. I'm in USA use comcast cable, watch Netflix, Amazon prime, NFL network and 1080P and 720P cable TV and HBO. Sports tennis, NFL football, Basketball. Should I swap for the Sony? They are the same price? Movies I have a blue ray player. Don't really have 4k stuff to watch. So I guess most the stuff will be 1080p upscaled to 4k. Also is the Costco Sony 65" Class - A80CJ Series the same as the A80J? I read the CJ has voice activation (like the 90) that the J of this video does not. But not sure of any other differences. Thanks...
For those complaining only 2 HDMI 2.1, at least Sony is with full speed 48Gbps. I only have 1 gaming console and I like watching contents with my TV rather than playing games, so I like the true to life colors Sony A80J is presenting, so I have ordered a 55” A80J, just tested out from the store and the sound quality was amazing! Thought it was sounded from a sound bar but it was from the TV. Great job! What’s more I dislike the WebOS Interface, it is clustered with the things which I don’t use.
If you are a PS5 Only gamer, will the Sony Bravia XR features out weigh the LG C1's gaming features? is 4k 120 hz just not possible on the A80J right now?
@HDTVTest Is this the c1 with the EVO panel? Also the a80j has 120hz pannel, why the Xbox says that games are not playable at 120fps? (10:00) @HDTVTest
Yep, I got the C1, makes some of the terrible PC ports or badly optimised PC games playable whilst still maxing out the graphics settings, G-sync software magic 🧙♂️
Thanks for the non-bias and objective comparison. I upgrade tvs about once every 2 years and I always make sure I look at your comparisons before I make a decision.
Hello Thank you for detailed review. I have couple of questions. I was going to buy Samsung QN90a however, in my country, it comes with ADS(IPS) panel. I just bought LG C1 and thinking about refund and go for Sony A80J after watching several reviews because I mostly will be watching movies, serials. My questions are: 1) Does Sony dims the entire screen if a channel logo is bright, just like you mention for game HUDs? 2) Everyone says Sony is brighter but at 1:10 LG has more shadow details. 3) How badly it affects the picture quality of Sony as it makes brighter but less quality shadow detail? Will it be so disturbing? 3) Why does LG look better than Sony on the motion of the man(with hat) at 5:49 ? Is it 24p movie which I heard that LG perform better? 4) I dont have professional calibrated in my city. Is it a reason to eliminate LG? Can I calibrate it with the settings and manuals on internet by myself? 5) I mostly watch Netflix etc. Is Sony better for movies for sure? Any disadvantage compared to LG for movies ?
Sony dims the image when it detects static elements like logos … won’t affect the picture quality but probably gets annoying if u like the brighter settings .. this can be turned off on the lg using logo luminance but can’t be turned off on Sony The Sony isn’t brighter but bright elements are more saturated like fire or stars for example would appear more bright on the Sony but the overall picture is still the same brightness As for motion, I’ve heard that Sonys motion smoothing is better.. but with all motion processing turned off, lg is better .. not sure if that’s true tho As for accuracy.. lg isn’t really worse than Sony .. if u watch avforums review on both u can actually see that lg has more accurate colours out the box and that sony is pushing too much blue especially in sdr. rtings actually turned peak brightness on and changed the gamma settings in pre cal testing for c1 which skewed the results .. ninjican av also has a video on this.. both can be calibrated for better accuracy tho.. When comparing picture quality.. you’re really splitting hairs .. lg likes to crush blacks which results in more depth and deeper shadows while Sony retains more details near black through different shades of black .. Sonys processor does a better job at cleaning up noise and sharpening the image but the processor can sometimes go overboard applying too much edge enhancement.. so LG might look more natural to the eyes while Sony looks more polished and clear
@@zeek8807 Sony motion interpolation is worse than LG Vincent in his video even says this. It has more artifacts and SOE. LG very very rarely ever crushes any blacks while the Sony 99% of the time washes out near black scenes and looks like an ugly mess with shadows being grey. As you can see (0:50) the Sony is really trash in terms of picture quality because they ruined the near black scenes.
@@JohnSmith-zl8rz Not for gaming you blind ignorant fool and I say that as someone buying a Sony A90J on Black Friday. LG OLED TVs are the current best for gaming.
so if i watch a football game through my aerial with the sony the picture will darken over a couple of minutes and there is no way i can disable it but i can on the lg is that correct? this is a deal breaker for me as i watch a lot of sports through normal tv and also through streaming via firestick. i was just about to buy the a80j till i saw this review and no way can accept the picture dimming feature it would drive me nuts. what a rediculous feature to have. it's lg c1 for me because of this. thanks vince for pointing it out.
Apart from Sony pushing out more detail can the c1 be calibrated to match the a80j’s shadow detail? I just feel like out of the box the c1 crushes blacks too much. I was fortunate to see both these TVs side by side playing The Nun in 4K and the c1 was so dark while there was so much more shadow detail in the Sony
Once calibrated the C1 has better shadow detail due to the more granular black level controls. The Sony has over-brightened and soft shadow detail that lacks resolution.
Uh the Sony has worse shadow detail compared to the C1. Over brightened and washed out. The C1 barely ever crushes any blacks. The shadows are darker but the details remain. It’s not crushing anything 99% of the time while the A80J is over brightening and washed out 99% of the time in near dark scenes.
@@Bigleftyinaz I think it depends on the size you want especially since the A90J isn't available in 77" and the jump up to 83" is too much for most in both size and price
Vincent.. you should try to make a comparison video between fx 2017 versus 2021.. to see the difference. been looking to rtings data. there are numerous differences.. 2017 is still the ultimate king of response rate on paper.. with 0.1ms 80% and 0.2% 100% (check c7 on rtings and their waveform measurements) that was unreal fast and also too fast for low framerate content and would elevate stutter etc, though other things like high framerate content or PC or gaming.. that extreme response rate certainly ain't a con, quite the contrary. though perhaps LG has to turn it down a nudge since with updates, modern LG OLEDs are 10 to 20x slower then the waveform measurement rtings got from C7. (that year were all from B to wallpaper had the same SoC, and that last year LG OLEDs had high bandwidth UI like USB3 that USB3 socket will also eat an RJ45 Giga-USB hub/dock .. though seems to top around 400Mb up and down from the internet speed test with the WebOS app "INternet Speed Test! thrue that USB3 socket but checking speed by the LG webbrowser in the LG C7 seems to max out around 150MBps with the same RJ45 Gigahub.. though both are better than the native ethernet socket that is 100Mb ltd.) is the WOLED pattern still the same. here in 2021?.. not referring to the WRGB pixels, but the horizontal segment gridlines. here is a video.. given an indication.. though thermal ua-cam.com/video/PJjjK6GkbRI/v-deo.html the breaking bad is just the thermal pixel-retention into the pixel WRGBlayer, it will disappear after some time..(I don't see enough breaking bad to have it perm like that, around the 1-minute mark the breaking bad label are removed and the serie started and can see how fast the thermal heat-retention disappears. ) but the 3 horizontal lines you can make out' could that be WRGB panel segment?
Hi Vincent, you and others have said the new "cinematic movement" option is good for people that are sensitive to OLED stutter. Do you (or anyone else) know what it actually does? Does it introduce new frames or enable some form of BFI? Also: is the effect continuous or does it vary scene by scene?
I’ll try and answer for ya…tho I don’t have all the answers unfortunately. Cinematic movement is just using traditional MCFI…no BFI is employed to my knowledge. So it’s just interpolating fake frames to insert into the original source, like traditional MCFI. However, Cinematic Movement is attempting to do this tastefully, without introducing obvious SOE, or artifacts…by using less fake frames, or less aggressive interpretation. However, there is still both, especially if you’re sensitive to SOE. But it is definitely one of the better MCFI algorithms out there, when it comes to trying to maintain cinematic film cadence, while masking the stutter. I don’t believe it works on a scene by scene basis tho…it seems continuous..from my understanding, it’s more reliant on the frame rate of the content itself, when choosing how to interpolate. So 24p content might have a slightly different algorithm than 30, or 60.
@@ye-rochawkins5432 thanks for replying! Ok, so you're saying frames are added. However, when slowly playing the section in Vincent's C1 or G1 review where he enables cinematic motion, it doesn't appear to result in a higher frame rate?
It's so sad to see these issues with each manufacturer. Sony has better HDR highlights handling but has worse dark scenes output. Panasonic has the worst gradient handling this year, without any smoothing feature implemented. And many other pros and cons going back and forth between these makers. And all this at hefty premium prices. Sony has one of the most sold consoles and they lack every gaming feature, like wth.
The pillars of OLED are near black and 24p motion interpolation. Despite Sony's lead in other areas, I can't help but feel that proportionately, LG's advantage in these two key areas are a big plus.
Yes and no… LF crush the black Sony is little bit brigter in black.. so hard to tell winniner in black levels they both have merits and will pitfalls in there. All in all if you are gamer… LG. If you want to watch movies and TV programs Sony..
@@haukionkannel Not even this … despite missing features the A90J, but also the smaller one are excellent gaming companions … the actual picture performance in real life is much better than it appears in clips. And embarrassingly the C1 does not even support DTS … WTF …
@@haukionkannel stop the cap did we see the same video? The A80J looked atrocious in the near black scenes completely washing out all the colors and making shadows appear grey as (0:48)
I asked this question on some channels now, no response. I am thinking of buying the A80J. Some users say it has a lot of judder. Some say even motion corrections don't help. Others say... fantastic, no judder at all. What is true?
Was looking at these models recently and decided to go for the 48 inch C1 since I mostly use it for PC/PS5 gaming. Sony's lack of ALLM and VRR is a big deal breaker especially on PC.
Got my 48C1 week ago and it has been amazing. Have to play on Ps4 because my Ps5 arrives possibly next December, but still the screen quality has been a huge improvement to my previous Philips lcd led tv. I've been playing God of War recently and i was surprised how gorgeous it looks on the C1.
I would have gone for the 55 since it has the full brightness that is a bit cut on the 48, but sure if space is not available you went definitely for the BEST 48 inch screen ever made since all high end TV's now start only from 55inch and up and even not many time ago they made lower than 55 inch but was always a downgraded version of the same TV missing features which would only be available on 55 inch. LG 48 is definitely the 1st 48inch entry to a actual fully featured high end TV\monitor though the brightness could have been like the 55 inch. ps: The only thing that never makes sense sadly is the price since the 55 inch here is always cheaper as it's always in promotion and the 48 never really seen much of a big promotion in it since 2020 CX EDIT: Oh and forgot to say Dolby Vision 4K 120hz is also a very important thing since it means the TV actually supports a far better HDR with full color quality with all features enabled and even at 120hz (probably not the biggest feature for now, but VERY important for a FUTURE PC that you would buy with much better hardware being able to push games at much better resolutions and visuals than a current PC). And I always buy a TV not just for the moment but rather for the future to keep for a long time so that over time it doesn't even just stay the same amazing quality but rather it actually keeps improving making what you paid for it to be so much more rewarding.
@@rbarret9726 The LG Oled CX 48 inch at least had considerably lower brightness than the 55 inch version which is on a UA-cam TV reviewer\calibrator HDtvTest... But on the C1 Oled if you really plan to go for the 48 inch I don't think you can go wrong as things are much better than on the CX but I still would probably expect a very small decrease in brightness over the 55inch but I don't think would be anywhere near the difference between 48 and 55 on the older CX if there's even still difference on the newer model... Anyway I would only go with the 48 for space reasons. In case you have space it would probably be better to always go for the 55 inch version because in a promotion is just much cheaper, you simply just will need more space and put it a bit further away from you specially for PC, but then again you can also go sit much further from it and enjoy movies with the cinema like factor 😁
@@rbarret9726 Imo 48C1 has enough brightness if you have some sort of window blinds or curtains at daylight. I don't even fully close the blinds and Oled brightness + contrast for me has been ideal on settings at 85/100, even on hdr movies and gaming. Main reason to choose between 48 and 55 is the watching distance. We watch the tv 3-4 meters away and size of 48 has been perfect for us.
Hello! I want to buy one of those tvs but i cant find any info if both have DLNA players to play the video files i have on my NAS like i do now on my old LG SJ850v. Can you help me with this information, please?
i have a gaming computer but i still want to make sure i can play games on my tv in the living room so who gaming still be beautiful on the A80J or would i regret it if i paired it with a PS5, also which OS system is better or works more and can you use airplay on the (which one works better with it) i want to get an sonos arc to pair with the tv and wondering what TV would be best with it, so pretty much i want a TV for Pictures, movies, Shows, and Sports but i still want to make sure that playing games like GTA, RDR, or Madden/2k would still look beautiful ?
As always thank you for all of the work you do and freely post onto UA-cam. You're my preferred source on this subject matter and I'll be here as long as you're producing such great content!
Well he does get his revenue from ads though 😂
You need a US sponsor too. I feel like I'm stealing this fine content.
You watching and commenting (and subscribing/rating videos if you do) already helps his channel.
Stealing? Stop simping. You are already giving the videos interaction. You don't need to pay more than that.
Watching, giving a like and commenting helps with the algorithm
Now, after simping over girls, there is also simping over youtubers, LOL.
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Vince is the only reviewer I've seen pointing out micro stutter on the standard 50Hz content we get in the UK, which is really noticeable as soon as you spot it. Can't believe this is still an issue on some TVs. There really is no excuse.
It’s annoying..GoT is terrible for it and I have to change output to 50hz to accommodate on Apple TV.
I think stutter is a thing some are just more susceptible to, luckily I’ve never been one to see/feel it.
Frequency is frequency. To change it the frequency would need to be changed automatically by the TV or monitor. Then we’d likely not be getting the exact frequency as advertised- perhaps a few FPS difference here or there. Facts is we get 50HZ through the wall end of. Or could always move to America 😂
It’s also a problem over here in the US, with 60Hz content…very noticeable during football, especially pre snap.
That’s why I turn off MCFI/TruMotion…I just can’t take the side effects of it. I loath SOE…and hate artifacts. I enjoy my 24p film cadence, but do dislike when things start looking like a slide show due to sample and hold.
What really urks me…is that there is a near black flickering with TruMotion enabled on the CX, which shows up a lot in DV/HDR content. Idk…there’s just too many negative with it, to use it..in my use case, and for my eyes.
I will say, I really do like how motions resolution is improved…..I’ve tried a million times to use De-Judder on 1, or use Cinema Clear…I find the artifacts and SOE to still be too annoying. It makes many scenes look better…but then will ruin another one.
@@Jut1911 Where are you getting GoT in 50Hz?
I usually dont comment on anything.. but i had to return 2 c1 tvs because of some weird vertical bars on both sides of the panel. I used the 2nd c1 for few days before returning it. Finally i got an a80j 55 inch. And i can confirm.. the picture quality is definitely better on the sony and the colours are much more natural . for gaming i really cant see any difference when it comes to motion and respose time , But the visual are again better on the a80j. Thats just my experience with these oleds.
Yup LG is good but Sony is on another level
I see that vertical lines in the A1
@Paul Bouchard i have no idea.. just goth the sony bro..
thank you sir, your input made me feel better about my decision to go with the Sony over the LG, from all my research Sony wins all around more than the LG, too bad Because I wanted to try the Dolby vision thing
Sony the best
This man is a star! Best and most informative content I have seen for a TV review👍👍
Underrated channel, thanks bro. I chose the CX and I’m pretty happy with it. Now I just need a miracle on getting a new GPU to drive it xD
The black crush though
Wrong call.
Got my 83" LG C1 two weeks ago and am still in awe.
I recently purchased the 65" LG C1. The picture is amazing. Even brighter than I thought. But.... while watching Disney+ it keeps crashing and bringing me back to the home screen of the Disney app. It only started when I got the new tv. Have you experienced this with your tv ?
@@seanpaterson1602 get a dedicated streaming device with much better processor (= Apple TV)
Gee i don't know Vincent, you missed another opportunity to talk about 'Stark' contrast during GOT.😁 Seriously you can't go wrong with either of these sets. I'll hopefully be picking up an A80J 77" sometime soon. Thanks for another excellent vid.✌️
Thanks a lot for another good review/comparison video. I appreciate you being unbiased and thorough.
Do you have a basic starter list of settings for the C1 that you found brought it more in line to the A80J in terms of color accuracy and general image processing, black levels, etc - things that in your view are no brainers? (I have seen your Three LG C1 Settings Video btw). There are clear differences between the two, but it seems to me that unless viewing each side by side, BOTH are incredible and the perceivable picture quality to all but the most discerning of people is nearly exactly the same? Thank you in advance and your work is incredible.
Amazing review. We just want such a comparison JZ2000 vs G1 and A90J
Nah a90j vs Jz2000, as they are the best TVs you can get, and the only person who would buy a g1 over these two would do so for gaming making the other two not worth thinking about, but for the non gamers the pana and Sony are the real choices.
For gaming, G1 wins.
@@Noble3781 Why GZ2000 when the HZ2000 is superior isn't it?
@@PSYCHOV3N0M I meant to say JZ2000, Probably because i own a GZ2000 myself lol
JZ1500 is better if you've already got a avr and speaker set-up.
It seems Sony has fixed banding issue in 120hz mode. After the latest update my A80j has no more banding in Rachet and clank 120hz mode.
I can't believe Sony doesn't have hgig when the parent company makes a gaming console.
Or VRR, FreeSync or G-Sync. It seems like Sony doesn't care as much about gaming features this year than Xbox, even though they both instigated HGiG. Also, why they chose to make one of their two HDMI 2.1 ports eARC is beyond me.
@@cun7us Yep, which is sad as I only care for PS5 since thankfully M$ is so friendly to leave everything they had for PC...
It's sad that Dolby vision gaming is only happening on Xbox and the normal PS4\PS5 HDR is probably made exactly to make samsung persistence in HDR10+ to even pay off much more since HDR10 is what games will be using on the PS5 and the HDR10+ crap will simply make HDR10 better and sadly it's not very common for TV's to have "HDR10+" + Dolby Vision, most get stuck in HDR10 + Dolby Vision (the ones that support both).
Then Xbox is probably also the only one to get Dolby Atmos gaming support while Sony went for their own tempest 3D which I think is only another Fake surround crap to add on top of every current brand X, Y, Z amazing new 3D sound technology which is all the same fake crap (based on reverbs and echoes on top of reverbs and boom call it 7.1)...
And even more sad is Sony does indeed support Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision on the PS5 if I'm not mistaken so it means they actually paid DOLBY royalties and then have no use for them as they leave it only for movies and have left them off for the number 1 feature of their hardware which is playing games on a god damn gaming console (it's even stupider than Samsung as they only want MAX profit so they deny to pay Dolby royalties to finally have Dolby support on their TV's like other brands do, Sony pays but just to leave the features there sleeping for movies like if gamers will ever applaud to that crap).
ps: Sony is always like: Here's your number 1 gaming feature specially made for gamers... But only for movies!!. THANK YOU GAMERS ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND BELIEF IN OUR BRAND :)
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@@PSYCHOV3N0M nice one :)
Hope it's not another X90H all the promised features went to... HELL
Well eventually after a year Sony indeed made the 4K 120hz working at least then the quality is all blurred and they never fixed it because the crap cheap chinese MTK they chose basically wasn't powerful enough to process 4K 120 FPS with good quality so they had to compress stuff looking like Vaseline added on top.
Then they claimed to fix that vaseline and yeas they did a few time later by just updating the TV with just added sharpness as a fix that never fixed it or did anything at all because adding sharpness would never fix a compressed lower quality blurred image, just slightly improve it on the fake side.
Up to this day the promised VRR on the old X90H most likely is still awaiting lool
In terms of software Sony is the worse brand out there as just like on modern Playstation consoles they can't even make a lag-free menu like any other console brand (other than the PS5), they also take huge time to fix stuff and they tend to break stuff from "x" to "x" update.
On the X90H I had 2 for only like a month and Sony kept fixing something and completely breaking others even with a TV they already had for a full year working on it after release (I totally remember just 1st update after getting the TV completely broke it and made the TV to keep randomly restarting). Then they fixed the restart issues and broke the sound and they keep this goin on and ON for ever FFS SONY...
ps: if you go Sony way don't expect them to activate or fix missing features so soon and keep your hopes very low, in fact you can keep your hope high is that at certain updates they will keep breaking something that was perfectly working before ~GUARANTEED! :)
Sister company by this is Sony electronics.
Same as the previous years, had to decide between the LG and Sony, the picture on the Sony just looks more detailed with better lighting. Have my 55A8 and absolutly love it! :)
I have the C1, use it for a fair bit of PC gaming and Netflix and when I saw the Sony A80j, the image is definitely better, just seems more detailed, better clarity.
I'm still more than happy with the C1, it's a shame Sony haven't given better support for gaming on their TVs, considering the premium price tag.
@@00Clive00 LG might be bribing Sony to delay gaming features till 2022 because can't compete Sony Bravia OLED TVs
(0:50) should make it obvious. Ugly near black performance with washed out colors on the Sony. Shadows look grey… but yeah it’s not even close
In my corner of the world I just got 65 incher LG C1 on sale for some 1600 Euros, and that´s with an XBOX S thrown in as present (worth 300 Euros here), while A80J costs 2300 Euros at least for 65 inch. In my case, there was no contest between the two :)
Are you in Poland?
@@biber9979 Slovakia
Damn, Vincent really had all of his girlfriends and wives on display…literally.
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😂😂😂
I didn't catch anything he said, in the last half of the video.
I think mentioning pre calibration accuracy would be worth mentioning. According to rtings, the sony comes much closer to reference out of the box. I doubt i would get my TV calibrated, so this is an important thing for some people.
LG always has terrible color accuracy out of the box. My C6 has too much green in the white balance for ISF expert bright and dark room picture modes. Sony always does a better job with color accuracy out of the box. Even their cheaper models have good color accuracy. Which is why my next TV will be from Sony. Sony televisions also do a better job with shadow detail unlike LG which crush shadow detail.
I’m planing to buy Oled tv,have last 12 years old plasma.What does calibration mean,why do you need to do it,and how you do it?Thanks.
@@billybigballs5776 It's a method that gets the TV to produce the most 'true' colours. you need special equipment and experience to do it properly. Most TVs lately have a very good out of the box calibration in 2022.
@@tHoM0r thanks
Great comparison! U are the best! Thanks!
Yet another fantastic comparison!!
Absolutely awesome review 👏 very thorough! Thanks!
Vincent you’re the man.
A major consideration for those in smaller markets like NZ is that the LG webOS lacks region specific apps like Sky TV. Where as Sony being Android based does have these.
Thanks for the info.
I find it both hilarious and disturbing that we're all watching this on UA-cam and nodding.
His commentary is more informative.
Look up hyperbole and 'confirmation bias' your presumptions are not reality.
I went A80J and regret nothing. I do play some games on PS5 but I am mostly a PC gamer so my main use is TV and movies. Everything just "pops" and even old DVD's look good. I love the GoogleTV OS as well. In addition, I'm not getting this TV "professionally" calibrated, and the Sony seems to have better colour accuracy out of the box so that's a bonus. Doesn't seem like you can go wrong with either TV this year unless you are going to use the TV to mostly game, then the C1 makes more sense.
Same boat. The A80J blows my mind every time I turn it on.
I ended up with both and I'm loving the best of both 🌎
May I ask Why I should go for C1 mostly for games?
@@ahmedmohmed4346 freesync, g sync, vrr, all HDMI ports are 2.1. Sony doesn't have any of these and only 2 2.1 HDMI and one of them is the earc
Same. The shadow detail is a lot better too
I have just order the 65"A80J, i have really pushed the boat out on this TV, never had a TV that looks as good as this does, can't wait for it to arrive,
Hi, great comment, I wonder how this Sony A80J performs with new Apple TV 4K especially with movies like The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit or Star Wars. I have many movies like these ones and action too, I'm planning to get one of these tvs in the holidays but I can't decide yet between A80J or LG C1. I'm hopping you can help me to make my decision, than you..
@@saamejia the A80J is a brilliant tv and I'm really pleased with it, it up scales 1080p brilliantly and 4k is fantastic, for watching movies most people say the A80J is better,from what I've heard the LG C1 is also a great TV, but I'm more than happy with the A80J it's a absolute joy, oled TV'S are stunning, you really can't go wrong with either, I hope that helps
@@daledeson9792 thank you is very helpful.
@@saamejia which one did you end up choosing? i am making the same decision now
@@Dmahmoud17which one did u buy?
Unfortunately the LG C1 doesn't support DTS and DTS-HD audio passthrough via (e)ARC or Optical, so it doesn't seem like a great purchase for those of us that can't afford new and expensive HDMI 2.1 compliant AV receivers.
I've got an old Onkyo HT-R558 and I believe it would have better compatibility with Sony A80J.
Obviously LG C1 is superior choice for gaming and as a gamer this is a tough choice, but I think I'll try to look for A80J deals during next Black Friday sales.
What is the problem, connect your source to Av receiver and output to speakers and tv...
@@montazownianr1 his receiver is old and probably doesn’t support HDR or HDMI 2.1
Thank you so much. This is the best Review! Rly helped
On the Sony A80j, for sports- which cinemotion setting do we use? Off, low or high? Thanks
Is like a answer on this aswell. 👍
Off.
I personally leave it on low with smoothness on 2 and I'm happy with it on most content. 60fps is smooth but 30fps is hard to smooth out completely.
TCL C825 Review please!!!🙏🙏🙏
This is exactly the review I needed. I was planning to buy the SONY A80J. However, seeing the screenshot at minute-marker 10:00 where the SONY A80J has a setting comment: "Your TV setup doesn't support 4K UHD at 120Hz." gives me pause. My main use for this TV will be PC gaming with a Radeon 6700 XT video card, which drives 4K at 120Hz. Although I suppose I could give up Dolby Vision gaming in future when games can deliver 4K at 120Hz. Also, after learning LG C1 supports G-sync and FreeSync (and SONY A80J does not) I'm leaning toward the LG C1. I do like the colors of the A80J and I definitely like superior upscaling in SONY mentioned at 11:49, which will be useful for continuing to play 1080p titles on the Nintendo Switch. Trying to decide the trade-off between FreeSync in the LG C1 and colors plus upscaling of the A80J. Will update this when purchase is done.
A80j does do 120 though? Where did you hear it didn't?
@@korndog81 It was the comment and screenshot at minute marker 10:00. However, your reply here got me to re-watch the video and I have edited my comment.
@JungleBubble I'm a PC gamer and have a shiny new MSI Gaming Radeon RX 6700 XT video card. That said, your comment got me to re-think a bit. I've edited my comment.
@@StevePruneau dont rethink. c1 is much better for pc and xbox gaming since it has freesync, gsync and vrr.
Great review, nice objective test with decent measurements and good point made about stutter which is more obvious on the LG. What impressed me about the Sony was its surprisingly fantastic upscaling on SD pictures which after all applies to most freeview channels.
LG and Sony I think both use the same LG screen but different electronics. I went A80J because there’s no visible difference in contrast, just on paper.
Sony have hands down the better software/motionflow processor chips and out of the box, one of the most accurate colour pallets I’ve ever seen.
LG smoothing not up to the Sony standard. Turn off motionflow in sony for a better picture or leave at low. Ditto noise reduction. Atmos 3d surround sound translated to my 5:1 soundbar set up was fantastic on the Sony. Don’t know how sq might translate on LG.
Worth mentioning that the A80J also has both Dalby Black and UHD IMax Ultra picture modes which automatically engage with streamed content filmed in DB or I Max Ultra. Utterly fabulous picture quality, especially Dolby Black…the very best OLED screen I’ve ever seen for films.
However, for realism and 3D effect, Sony’s medium and top tier full array backlit screens still produce the sharpest most believable picture, starting with their Bravia XF series(now superseded) BUT be warned as plenty of their backlit led screens seem to pack up, usually not long after warranty ends. Our XF9005 failed after just 4 years hence I’ve taken a big risk on the A80J bought as a replacement. LG usually fair much better and seem to have fewer reported failures.
Before I make a purchase, this is the channel I go to for my tv. Simply the best.
I have the A80j in my den and a CX in our living room. I can barely tell the difference in real content between the two. I would imagine it’s even closer between the A80j and c1. However, I can absolutely notice the difference in gaming features between the two, vrr just feels much better. I’m also seeing the c1 $200 cheaper than the A80j at 65”. I just don’t see marginally better PQ as a reason to pay $200 more for less features on the A80j. Unless they are literally side by side the difference is negligible. I’m also very weary about Sony’s implementation of said gaming features, if they ever come. I would feel better if on Sony’s website it listed the A80j as getting vrr via firmware update. Unfortunately, the only thing mention is “other 2021 models”. I’m assuming intentionally vague in the event they can’t get it working. Even then it will never get 120hz Dolby Vision, and who knows if there will be a drop in picture quality when using vrr if we ever get it. Heck I’m even skeptical of vrr coming to the ps5 at this point. Wish they’d have taken gaming as serious as they’re picture processing, it is as important these days. If there was parity in features along with marginally better PQ I’d be happy to justify the extra couple hundred dollars. How is it the largest gaming company in the world lacks some of the biggest features in gaming on both their TVs and consoles? Sony had plenty of time to get these things right and has failed big time.
if we take a G1 in my opinion the difference will be seen then vis-a-vis a80J it will never make dolbi vision you think? in video games?
Hi, great comment, I wonder how this Sony A80J performs with new Apple TV 4K especially with movies like The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit or Star Wars. I have many movies like these ones and action too, I'm planning to get one of these tvs in the holidays but I can't decide yet between A80J or LG C1. I'm hopping you can help me to make my decision, than you..
@@saamejia movie watching no question A80j, it has the better picture quality. Gaming on a Xbox series X with vrr then c1, unless Sony makes good on their promise of vrr in the near future.
@@mattdisbrow854 thank you for your replay, is this vrr is only for games or can improve watching movies too?
@@saamejia only for games has nothing to do with movies or tv. Syncs the frame rate to the refresh rate of the display so it feels smoother while playing fast paced games.
Vincent I got a CX on closeout will be in next week. The A80j was not on my radar. I could swap but I would have to lay 600 more for the same 77 inch size. Some are saying the A80j has much better quality and its not even close. I mainly stream and watch blue ray. I will game on PS5 only. Is it worth the 600 price difference do you think?
Amazing video mate. I was leaning towards the C1 and your video confirmed my choice as I do gaming everyday. With the latest firmware update from Sony adding VRR does that now put both on par with gaming for console only?
On par on gaming better TV in every area only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports.
Yea now with the VRR update on the Sony, they are pretty much equal there. Also the Sony has better Sound + supports DTS.
But the main argument for me is just the better Picture-Prozessor which is providing more details.
I just went to buy the Sony A80J in 77 inch for 2400€ 🤗
@@derek4177 good to hear bestbuy had a sell only for 55 inch sony a80j only for only 900$ the c1 is slightly more expensive at 1100 55" I went with aj80 going to pickup now .
@@tonymack2007 niceeee, congrats man.
I would have still picked the Aj80 even if was 100-200$ more expensive. But at these prices its a no brainer. 😂
I am so happy with mine. Watching movies and series is absolutely awesome.
And on top of that, even watching UA-cam or Twitch, which is often just in 1080p, but it looks pretty much like 4k with the great processing.
Before I had a LG C9 in only 55 inch, which looked more "pixely" watching 1080p content than with my 77 inch now. 😆
Great vid as always sir. I have small problem. I have xbox one x and the Sony x900h TV. Obviously the TV can do 4k 120 but one x can only do 4k 60. My question is, is it a better gaming experience in 4k 60 or in 1080p 120? I only play call of duty if that helps. Have a great day my friend
vincent you know we're all waiting for the a90j vs jz2000 shootout
When you do these comparison videos are both TV calibrated?
Thanks for the review.. I was waiting for the updatefor Sony to have vrr and the rest. And a few month ago I bought the Sony A80J. Thank you!
Love the hdr effect in the videos
Like the pro & con aspect of reviews, my go to site prior buying.
Sorry I'm a bit late with this question. How do they compare when passing Dolby Digital sound from an HDMI input the to the ARC HDMI output.
LG TVs are (I currently have a B8, considering an upgrade to one of these sets) notorious for introducing delays to the audio stream leading to lip sync errors which are inconsistent and so difficult to tune out. Does the Sony A80J have the same problem? Would be grateful if someone could advise on this aspect.
I understand that the LG C1 still has this problem from AV forum posts.
A bit more detail - I'm currently using an HDMI splitter to separate my Sky HD output into video and audio streams for the TV & Soundbar which works but seems a bit clunky. The other recommended solution is to turn off Dolby at the Sky box, but that's something I'd rather avoid. Another attempted solution is to use an Optical/Co-Axial lead to feed audio from the Sky box to the soundbar, but that doesn't work because my Samsung soundbar treats the optical and ARC leads as if they came from the same source (called "Digital In"), and switches over the ARC input on its own.
Thanks for all the awsome reviews!
I was wondering about the black levels in the game of thrones scene, as my tv set a80j displays the black levels similar to c1, with the default settings on cinema mode. Is the picture overbrightned to reflect the test? Also, have you tried the "black adjust" setting on a80j to reduce black levels?
Vincent would you recommend a better power cord for ANY tv? Or the one supplied will suffice?
Fantastic review
Nice. Can you compare the best 48 inch TVs like the Sony A9 and Philips 935+?
Best comparison of all for these two TVs, IMO.
LG is like 500 dollars cheaper in my country so the choice was pretty obvious
Same price on mine
Same in Croatia, LG 65' 2000 euro, and Sony is 2500 euro.
LG= Dolby.
Sony = Dolby and DTS.
@@marioantonioaburtocalderon8891 not worth paying 500 more and Sony's customer service is utter garbage so I don't support them since a few years ago.
65in A80j is 2,900 in my country, and the 65 in C1 is 500 bucks cheaper than that so same. I would love to get the A80j tho
I like how you compared the chipset limitations presented by the firmware they currently use. However it should be worth mentioning that several new features and updates have recently happened and VRR support has been slowly starting to roll out. I think the issues with Dolby Vision and 120 hertz gaming are valid but it’s worth noting that all that aside the bottom line is the tech in the A8|90j series is better but requires some updates keep this in mind when buying a tv since while it may be a better tv for gaming currently; the out of box capabilities of the A80J plus the ability to fix a lot of these issues in the future ultimately means for an investment the A80J has the most potential, LG has all the features out there with very little to improve and Sony is a canvas waiting to be filled. Yes I’m a Sony fan boy but I’m not sponsored or paid by them, I just enjoy their beautifully engineered televisions and have since the 80s. Also it’s just my particular opinion.
Just ordered the Sony’s, crossing fingers here
About to do the same.
Sony TVs in a nutshell: Waiting for Firmware...
Hello, currently in my country, both 55" LG C1 and 65" Sony X90J have around the same price. For mostly watching movies and streaming, which one would you recommend? (oled vs bigger led tv)
First of all thanks for the video and greetings from Vienna! I own a Panasonic 64FZW804 and I'm thinking about to upgrade to a 77" C1. Because the Pana has bad gaming performance (eg. Far Cry 6, AC Valhalla tearing). I would like to now if the C1 has a better movie performance then the 3 yrs old Pana 804? 3yrs ago the Pana had a quite better performance compared to the LG C8 but what about the C1? Thanks :)
Hello Vincent,
I'm from Germany and currently the 65" A80J and the 65" LG G1 are in the same price range. The G1 is technically cheaper but the fact that you have to buy a stand for the G1 since it doesn't come with feet makes it slightly more expensive. I'm torn between those two and my takeaway from this video and the "G1 vs A90J" is that Sony's XR processing provides better HDR and picture quality. However, the G1 has the Evo OLED and is supposed to be the high-end model so I think the G1 might provide a superior picture in the end. I really don't like LG's WebOS and prefer AndroidTV but I'm willing to sacrifice an HDMI port for a Chromecast/GGTV. Another important factor is the clearance underneath the TV. The LG TVs seem awfully low and I need them to be slightly higher to fit a soundbar, which Sony provides a great solution for. Gaming is completely irrelevant to me so my main concern is Movies and a bit of TV. Also, my room is very bright which I darken for movies but daylight viewing brightness is somewhat important too.
I hope you or somebody can share a bit of advice on A80J vs G1 considering they're the same price.
If your not going to use your display for gaming I would go with the Sony.
Lg g1 65 , если sony a80j🙄 то 77
Für welchen hast du dich entschieden?
@@ashurplays Ich habe mir den Sony geholt und bin sehr zufrieden damit. Ausschlaggebend war, dass ich AndroidTV besser finde. Die koreanischen WebOS schalten nämlich Werbung im Homescreen und bei der Preisklasse ist das unangemessen. Ebenfalls hätte ich den G1 aufhängen müssen, damit meine Soundbar drunter passt.
Mein Sony hatte jedoch nach ein paar Monaten eine defekte Pixelspalte, aber der Fernseher wurde vom Support komplett und (fast) ohne Probleme ausgetauscht.
Das nervige war, dass der Kundendienst ein Foto vom defekten Bildschirm haben möchte, wo der 65" Fernseher komplett sichtbar ist, aber das Foto gleichzeitig nicht größer als 1-2MB sein darf.
Mit den Anforderungen war es quasi unmöglich eine (1!) defekte Spalte sichtbar zu fotografieren und es musste viel diskutiert werden.
Der Ersatzfernseher lief bisjetzt tadellos. Tagsüber sind OLEDS aber viel zu dunkel für Filme, wenn man den Raum nicht fast komplett abdunkeln kann. Bei dunklen Szenen erkennt man quasi nichts. Mein Familie hat den A90J da ist es minimal besser. Abends ist es aber ein Genuss.
@@xxCookieOfDoomx alles klar, danke für die ausführliche Antwort!
I just bought a C1 65" but not delivered so I can still change the order.
I Don't game on my TVs, would be rare. I'm in USA use comcast cable, watch Netflix, Amazon prime, NFL network and 1080P and 720P cable TV and HBO.
Sports tennis, NFL football, Basketball.
Should I swap for the Sony? They are the same price? Movies I have a blue ray player. Don't really have 4k stuff to watch. So I guess most the stuff will be 1080p upscaled to 4k.
Also is the Costco Sony 65" Class - A80CJ Series the same as the A80J? I read the CJ has voice activation (like the 90) that the J of this video does not. But not sure of any other differences. Thanks...
For those complaining only 2 HDMI 2.1, at least Sony is with full speed 48Gbps.
I only have 1 gaming console and I like watching contents with my TV rather than playing games, so I like the true to life colors Sony A80J is presenting, so I have ordered a 55” A80J, just tested out from the store and the sound quality was amazing! Thought it was sounded from a sound bar but it was from the TV. Great job!
What’s more I dislike the WebOS Interface, it is clustered with the things which I don’t use.
So when the A80j updates vrr and your a gamer and HD app streamer are you picking the Sony or lg?????
@Vincent, Can you plz do comparison for 2022 TVs - LG C2 vs Sony a80k
If you are a PS5 Only gamer, will the Sony Bravia XR features out weigh the LG C1's gaming features? is 4k 120 hz just not possible on the A80J right now?
THANK YOU!
You getting a C1 for The Death Star, Darth?
@HDTVTest Is this the c1 with the EVO panel? Also the a80j has 120hz pannel, why the Xbox says that games are not playable at 120fps? (10:00) @HDTVTest
C1 for G-Sync. 😎
😎
Yep, I got the C1, makes some of the terrible PC ports or badly optimised PC games playable whilst still maxing out the graphics settings, G-sync software magic 🧙♂️
Thanks for the non-bias and objective comparison. I upgrade tvs about once every 2 years and I always make sure I look at your comparisons before I make a decision.
Damn why every 2 years?
Would love to upgrade a girlfriend every two years :). Damn such a lucky person so upgrade tv every 2years.
Hello
Thank you for detailed review.
I have couple of questions.
I was going to buy Samsung QN90a however, in my country, it comes with ADS(IPS) panel.
I just bought LG C1 and thinking about refund and go for Sony A80J after watching several reviews because I mostly will be watching movies, serials.
My questions are:
1) Does Sony dims the entire screen if a channel logo is bright, just like you mention for game HUDs?
2) Everyone says Sony is brighter but at 1:10 LG has more shadow details.
3) How badly it affects the picture quality of Sony as it makes brighter but less quality shadow detail? Will it be so disturbing?
3) Why does LG look better than Sony on the motion of the man(with hat) at 5:49 ? Is it 24p movie which I heard that LG perform better?
4) I dont have professional calibrated in my city. Is it a reason to eliminate LG? Can I calibrate it with the settings and manuals on internet by myself?
5) I mostly watch Netflix etc. Is Sony better for movies for sure? Any disadvantage compared to LG for movies ?
Sony dims the image when it detects static elements like logos … won’t affect the picture quality but probably gets annoying if u like the brighter settings .. this can be turned off on the lg using logo luminance but can’t be turned off on Sony
The Sony isn’t brighter but bright elements are more saturated like fire or stars for example would appear more bright on the Sony but the overall picture is still the same brightness
As for motion, I’ve heard that Sonys motion smoothing is better.. but with all motion processing turned off, lg is better .. not sure if that’s true tho
As for accuracy.. lg isn’t really worse than Sony .. if u watch avforums review on both u can actually see that lg has more accurate colours out the box and that sony is pushing too much blue especially in sdr. rtings actually turned peak brightness on and changed the gamma settings in pre cal testing for c1 which skewed the results .. ninjican av also has a video on this.. both can be calibrated for better accuracy tho..
When comparing picture quality.. you’re really splitting hairs .. lg likes to crush blacks which results in more depth and deeper shadows while Sony retains more details near black through different shades of black .. Sonys processor does a better job at cleaning up noise and sharpening the image but the processor can sometimes go overboard applying too much edge enhancement.. so LG might look more natural to the eyes while Sony looks more polished and clear
@@zeek8807 Sony motion interpolation is worse than LG Vincent in his video even says this. It has more artifacts and SOE.
LG very very rarely ever crushes any blacks while the Sony 99% of the time washes out near black scenes and looks like an ugly mess with shadows being grey. As you can see (0:50) the Sony is really trash in terms of picture quality because they ruined the near black scenes.
In conclusion, they are both phenomenal tv’s
Aimed at specific use cases.
wrong, Sony is better!
@@JohnSmith-zl8rz Not for gaming you blind ignorant fool and I say that as someone buying a Sony A90J on Black Friday.
LG OLED TVs are the current best for gaming.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M how much is going to be on BF? I'm thinking buying it now. It's 1499 in UK - Sony A80J
@@cl4udease I can't answer that question because I'm not the TV manufacturer lol.
The Philips OLED806 and OLED856 are now being sold at shops..... Could you please do a detailed review now??
so if i watch a football game through my aerial with the sony the picture will darken over a couple of minutes and there is no way i can disable it but i can on the lg is that correct? this is a deal breaker for me as i watch a lot of sports through normal tv and also through streaming via firestick. i was just about to buy the a80j till i saw this review and no way can accept the picture dimming feature it would drive me nuts. what a rediculous feature to have. it's lg c1 for me because of this. thanks vince for pointing it out.
@hdtvtest. This can't be correct can it?
I'm still rocking my 65" Sony 930E. I want to upgrade to OLED but can wait to see what 2023 has to offer.
which tv is brighter during hdr gaming. including peak luminance settings and the hdr settings of the a80j
Apart from Sony pushing out more detail can the c1 be calibrated to match the a80j’s shadow detail? I just feel like out of the box the c1 crushes blacks too much. I was fortunate to see both these TVs side by side playing The Nun in 4K and the c1 was so dark while there was so much more shadow detail in the Sony
Nope not even G1 only TV beats A80J is A90J only slightly better
Once calibrated the C1 has better shadow detail due to the more granular black level controls. The Sony has over-brightened and soft shadow detail that lacks resolution.
Uh the Sony has worse shadow detail compared to the C1. Over brightened and washed out. The C1 barely ever crushes any blacks. The shadows are darker but the details remain. It’s not crushing anything 99% of the time while the A80J is over brightening and washed out 99% of the time in near dark scenes.
I choose sony because I watch more sdr content and netflix.
What is the Sony A84J. Seen one in curry’s today. What’s the difference between A80J ?
77" Sony A80J comparison with the A90J would be intriguing since the former uses the sane glossy EVO panel 🤔 😬
This! Make it happen please vincent! :)
For money, picture is close enough to just buy the a80j
@@Bigleftyinaz I think it depends on the size you want especially since the A90J isn't available in 77" and the jump up to 83" is too much for most in both size and price
@@mrwalker6026 85 inch for lcd's has been the premium big size for LCD's for years now... 83 inches is not too big...
Please help help... i am struggling... 65a90j or 77a80j... read a saw many reviews... still not sure which is best buy
Vincent. Can you address the audio delay problem on the LG C1 through eARC and also optical?
Vincent.. you should try to make a comparison video between fx 2017 versus 2021.. to see the difference.
been looking to rtings data.
there are numerous differences.. 2017 is still the ultimate king of response rate on paper.. with 0.1ms 80% and 0.2% 100% (check c7 on rtings and their waveform measurements)
that was unreal fast and also too fast for low framerate content and would elevate stutter etc, though other things like high framerate content or PC or gaming.. that extreme response rate certainly ain't a con, quite the contrary.
though perhaps LG has to turn it down a nudge since with updates, modern LG OLEDs are 10 to 20x slower then the waveform measurement rtings got from C7. (that year were all from B to wallpaper had the same SoC, and that last year LG OLEDs had high bandwidth UI like USB3 that USB3 socket will also eat an RJ45 Giga-USB hub/dock .. though seems to top around 400Mb up and down from the internet speed test with the WebOS app "INternet Speed Test! thrue that USB3 socket but checking speed by the LG webbrowser in the LG C7 seems to max out around 150MBps with the same RJ45 Gigahub.. though both are better than the native ethernet socket that is 100Mb ltd.)
is the WOLED pattern still the same. here in 2021?.. not referring to the WRGB pixels, but the horizontal segment gridlines.
here is a video.. given an indication.. though thermal ua-cam.com/video/PJjjK6GkbRI/v-deo.html
the breaking bad is just the thermal pixel-retention into the pixel WRGBlayer, it will disappear after some time..(I don't see enough breaking bad to have it perm like that, around the 1-minute mark the breaking bad label are removed and the serie started and can see how fast the thermal heat-retention disappears. )
but the 3 horizontal lines you can make out' could that be WRGB panel segment?
appreciated the diverse clip at the beginning and the end
. but there's room for improvement
You posted on Twitter that the LG C9 will be getting an update for the audio issues that came from the last update. Is that ever coming?
Hi Vincent, you and others have said the new "cinematic movement" option is good for people that are sensitive to OLED stutter. Do you (or anyone else) know what it actually does? Does it introduce new frames or enable some form of BFI? Also: is the effect continuous or does it vary scene by scene?
I’ll try and answer for ya…tho I don’t have all the answers unfortunately.
Cinematic movement is just using traditional MCFI…no BFI is employed to my knowledge. So it’s just interpolating fake frames to insert into the original source, like traditional MCFI. However, Cinematic Movement is attempting to do this tastefully, without introducing obvious SOE, or artifacts…by using less fake frames, or less aggressive interpretation. However, there is still both, especially if you’re sensitive to SOE. But it is definitely one of the better MCFI algorithms out there, when it comes to trying to maintain cinematic film cadence, while masking the stutter.
I don’t believe it works on a scene by scene basis tho…it seems continuous..from my understanding, it’s more reliant on the frame rate of the content itself, when choosing how to interpolate. So 24p content might have a slightly different algorithm than 30, or 60.
@@ye-rochawkins5432 thanks for replying! Ok, so you're saying frames are added. However, when slowly playing the section in Vincent's C1 or G1 review where he enables cinematic motion, it doesn't appear to result in a higher frame rate?
Should a Amazon fire stick be used with a PC input and a filmmaker preset and/or should the Gama be 2.2 or BT.1886? I am getting an LG C1
Hi ,what are you thoughts on calibrating LG CX using a service menu, with all the options there?
For the near black performance…would lowering the black level even more than 49 to match the c1 work?
As always amazing video 👍👍
Im still not sure what should i buy...
It's so sad to see these issues with each manufacturer. Sony has better HDR highlights handling but has worse dark scenes output. Panasonic has the worst gradient handling this year, without any smoothing feature implemented. And many other pros and cons going back and forth between these makers. And all this at hefty premium prices. Sony has one of the most sold consoles and they lack every gaming feature, like wth.
Nothing perfect LG has broken VRR Free and G Sync
20 years ago I had cheap korean crt tv 21" and could watch everything an play in anything ;)
lol xobx had vrr option to turn it on
damm it i watch movies about 80% but i still love gaming...
c1 or a80j? wjats with the new firmware a80j?
Which did you get
@@ashurplays still staying plasma panasonic gtw60
I pulled the trigger on a 2021 77-inch LG C1. Game over.
Are u happy with it?
@@Kenny.1979 Yes. No regrets.
I've an XBox Series X connected to it now too! All great! 😊
@@roderickl9539 I went for the 77A80J but have some vertical banding.
Q. for general usability and OS functionality the Android os in the A80J would be the obvious choice ?
The pillars of OLED are near black and 24p motion interpolation. Despite Sony's lead in other areas, I can't help but feel that proportionately, LG's advantage in these two key areas are a big plus.
Yes and no… LF crush the black Sony is little bit brigter in black.. so hard to tell winniner in black levels they both have merits and will pitfalls in there.
All in all if you are gamer… LG. If you want to watch movies and TV programs Sony..
@@haukionkannel Not even this … despite missing features the A90J, but also the smaller one are excellent gaming companions … the actual picture performance in real life is much better than it appears in clips. And embarrassingly the C1 does not even support DTS … WTF …
@@haukionkannel stop the cap did we see the same video? The A80J looked atrocious in the near black scenes completely washing out all the colors and making shadows appear grey as (0:48)
Is SDR any good in gaming Mode on the c1? Ive heard that it doesnt upscale in Gaming mode
I asked this question on some channels now, no response.
I am thinking of buying the A80J. Some users say it has a lot of judder. Some say even motion corrections don't help.
Others say... fantastic, no judder at all. What is true?
Was looking at these models recently and decided to go for the 48 inch C1 since I mostly use it for PC/PS5 gaming. Sony's lack of ALLM and VRR is a big deal breaker especially on PC.
Got my 48C1 week ago and it has been amazing.
Have to play on Ps4 because my Ps5 arrives possibly next December, but still the screen quality has been a huge improvement to my previous Philips lcd led tv.
I've been playing God of War recently and i was surprised how gorgeous it looks on the C1.
I would have gone for the 55 since it has the full brightness that is a bit cut on the 48, but sure if space is not available you went definitely for the BEST 48 inch screen ever made since all high end TV's now start only from 55inch and up and even not many time ago they made lower than 55 inch but was always a downgraded version of the same TV missing features which would only be available on 55 inch.
LG 48 is definitely the 1st 48inch entry to a actual fully featured high end TV\monitor though the brightness could have been like the 55 inch.
ps: The only thing that never makes sense sadly is the price since the 55 inch here is always cheaper as it's always in promotion and the 48 never really seen much of a big promotion in it since 2020 CX
EDIT: Oh and forgot to say Dolby Vision 4K 120hz is also a very important thing since it means the TV actually supports a far better HDR with full color quality with all features enabled and even at 120hz (probably not the biggest feature for now, but VERY important for a FUTURE PC that you would buy with much better hardware being able to push games at much better resolutions and visuals than a current PC). And I always buy a TV not just for the moment but rather for the future to keep for a long time so that over time it doesn't even just stay the same amazing quality but rather it actually keeps improving making what you paid for it to be so much more rewarding.
@@rbarret9726 The LG Oled CX 48 inch at least had considerably lower brightness than the 55 inch version which is on a UA-cam TV reviewer\calibrator HDtvTest...
But on the C1 Oled if you really plan to go for the 48 inch I don't think you can go wrong as things are much better than on the CX but I still would probably expect a very small decrease in brightness over the 55inch but I don't think would be anywhere near the difference between 48 and 55 on the older CX if there's even still difference on the newer model...
Anyway I would only go with the 48 for space reasons. In case you have space it would probably be better to always go for the 55 inch version because in a promotion is just much cheaper, you simply just will need more space and put it a bit further away from you specially for PC, but then again you can also go sit much further from it and enjoy movies with the cinema like factor 😁
@@guily6669 ua-cam.com/video/NLkYh19KahA/v-deo.html
Didn't watch the video, but looks like it.
@@rbarret9726 Imo 48C1 has enough brightness if you have some sort of window blinds or curtains at daylight.
I don't even fully close the blinds and Oled brightness + contrast for me has been ideal on settings at 85/100, even on hdr movies and gaming.
Main reason to choose between 48 and 55 is the watching distance.
We watch the tv 3-4 meters away and size of 48 has been perfect for us.
I'm buying the Sony one for movies and keeping my cx for gaming
Good video yea very similar to what I notice between them in 65'.
I'm in a throw between the a80j and g1 atm
Hello! I want to buy one of those tvs but i cant find any info if both have DLNA players to play the video files i have on my NAS like i do now on my old LG SJ850v. Can you help me with this information, please?
Can they fix the dimming issue on the a80j through an update?
Philips OLED 806 review please!
And compare with C1 and A80J
@13:56 odd on my galaxy s9+ screen in bat cave the LG lingers a much bigger area and MUCH brighter = more prominent. Camera setting or angle of tvs?
i have a gaming computer but i still want to make sure i can play games on my tv in the living room so who gaming still be beautiful on the A80J or would i regret it if i paired it with a PS5, also which OS system is better or works more and can you use airplay on the (which one works better with it) i want to get an sonos arc to pair with the tv and wondering what TV would be best with it, so pretty much i want a TV for Pictures, movies, Shows, and Sports but i still want to make sure that playing games like GTA, RDR, or Madden/2k would still look beautiful ?
Very nice so a80j is brighter with better processing better saturation in highlights better across the board in actual content
Was the LGC1 calibrated here? I have never seen these TVs so closely matched.
yes, c1 is calibrated