I Built a Standard Car Chassis to Test Piston Engines Properly!

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  • @kANGaming
    @kANGaming  Рік тому +33

    What other things should we build in Scrap Mechanic?

    • @thercrubber3487
      @thercrubber3487 Рік тому +3

      A fast but strong piston engine tutorial for survival mode

    • @xDmakc
      @xDmakc Рік тому +2

      Probably a piston engine with short stroke

    • @scrapmechanicgamer3155
      @scrapmechanicgamer3155 Рік тому +2

      The unit of speed is in blocks per second
      And
      1blk/s is 0.25m/s
      1 block is 25x25x25

    • @SebTheamazing
      @SebTheamazing Рік тому +4

      Piston engine tank

    • @whimbur
      @whimbur Рік тому +1

      You should try making an axial engine, it's super cool but I've never seen it done in scrap mechanic

  • @blueflame_sm
    @blueflame_sm Рік тому +102

    Regarding your steering:
    1. Bearings connected to a lvl 5 seat have steering angle adjustments...
    2. The length of the steering rod should be shorter than the distance between the pivot of the wheels, in you current setup the wheels are always parallel
    Regarding RPM calculation:
    deg/s -> rpm is not divide by 60, its divided by 6... But I now see you corrected yourself soooo... Anyways, I recommend taking an average RPM over time by computing the sum. You can do this by hooking the number into a counter on increase, then have some delay before counting the same number down again. Then divide by the amount of ticks between count up and count down.
    Regarding speed calculations:
    Well done, you are correct!
    Regarding making engines spin in a consistent direction:
    Ya i'm not explaning that here... It'd involve explaning basically my entire engine building process which you don't want (although I guess at this point thats the only way to really improve further if you don't wanna go full trial-and-error).
    Regarding next engine to try:
    KEIN ENGINE!!!

    • @marmaliser8159
      @marmaliser8159 Рік тому

      🤓🤓🤓🤓

    • @GummieI
      @GummieI Рік тому +5

      Hmm KEIN ENGINE almost sound like KAN ENGINE even :D

    • @BillyPiDriver
      @BillyPiDriver Рік тому

      then after that a piston turbine?

    • @locrianphantom3547
      @locrianphantom3547 Рік тому +8

      @@marmaliser8159You clicked on this video so you can’t even say anything.

    • @mixer0014
      @mixer0014 Рік тому +8

      But das Auto cannot fahren with kein engine!

  • @scrapmechanicgamer3155
    @scrapmechanicgamer3155 Рік тому +91

    I suggest that in the speed challenge you attach the engine transversaly to reduce torquing as the torquing would pitch the chassis instead of flipping it

    • @guido_luche_ST
      @guido_luche_ST Рік тому +2

      exactly what i was thinking

    • @blueflame_sm
      @blueflame_sm Рік тому +4

      I don't think this is a good idea. Yes it would reduce the bias he had towards going left, but it would introduce another major issue. Fact of the matter is that engines in SM tend to produce over 2x as much horsepower as the engine of a semi-truck IRL. The weight required to keep the vehicle from wheelying would be tremendous.

    • @adamkosec6180
      @adamkosec6180 Рік тому +2

      ​@@blueflame_smI don't think this is that big of an issue since the engine will be oriented in such way that it would torque the front down. Also you can just put a wheelie bar.

    • @blueflame_sm
      @blueflame_sm Рік тому

      @@adamkosec6180 That would require the engine be mounted not on the axel but opposite of the axel. Yes it could work, but it'd probably cost him all tracktion on the rear tires. With the wheeliebar you'd run into an issue of still not being able to steer.

    • @scrapmechanicgamer3155
      @scrapmechanicgamer3155 Рік тому

      @@blueflame_sm I have a solution for that to I think that you are trying to say that it would tend to lift the front wheel I say that just make the wheel base longer and put a bit of concrete 3 on the front wheel this would tremendous increase the Torque required to lift the front wheels as the distance btw front and rear wheels would increase

  • @timehunter9467
    @timehunter9467 Рік тому +33

    That’s not quite Ackerman steering geometry, the bar behind the wheels is supposed to be shorter than the pivots, so a line through the two pivot points each side meets at the centre of the rear axle. That would be a massive pain to make, hope I explained it well enough lol. Cool video, can’t wait to see different engines tested in this chassis.

  • @Trendederde
    @Trendederde Рік тому +23

    You can press "U" on a counter block to set the value, it's easier than using tick-buttons

    • @arandomnpc6409
      @arandomnpc6409 Рік тому +4

      It always bothered me the fact that kan doesn't use the ui, which is easier than buttons

    • @sirfinnscott9287
      @sirfinnscott9287 Рік тому +1

      Where was that tip when i needed it. Im so tired of using buttons.

  • @bogdandejanu4733
    @bogdandejanu4733 Рік тому +7

    Hi! I've noticed a thing about how you are using the counter block, you might have noticed but didn't give too much importance, now the counter block also has a gui you can use, press U to use and E to reset the counter, like that you won't need to bother using the Tick Button anymore, the button now is more useful in case you need to change values from seats.
    Love your content, keep up the good stuff Kan!

  • @braidencrow7534
    @braidencrow7534 Рік тому +1

    usually rpm is measure off of crank rotation instead of wheel rotation, which you could attach a guage to the side of the engine that is not being used, you could use a through bearing setup to get the guage attached

  • @brandonbrucker6691
    @brandonbrucker6691 Рік тому +2

    In order for your inner wheel to turn more than your outer wheel to the correct ratio you need what is called Ackerman's principle. Put simply on your steering knuckle you have a steering arm (your straight pipe then elbow to the linkage.) All you need to do is angle your steering arms so that both point towards the center of your rear axle. This causes your steering arms to sweep differing arcs and the golden angle for all wheel bases/ widths is the center of the rear axle..... Although I suppose with a tandem rear axle set up it be center of the difference of the axles because it's the center of the rear rotation point but I digress.
    To achieve this in scrap mechanic the only idea I have is attaching your steering arm to the knuckle with a bearing.
    Hope this helps

  • @Drago_Whooves
    @Drago_Whooves Рік тому +6

    I think you should at a 'kick thruster' so that if you have an engine that struggles to start you could give it a starting boost

  • @willie9899
    @willie9899 Рік тому +3

    You should add suspension to it as well. The rear would be best "formula style" there the entire rear assembly would have a single spring. It would help a lot with the terrain. Front could be any style

  • @jurare89
    @jurare89 Рік тому +1

    Considering the steering-problem: there's 3 important measurements when adjusting the steering on an actual car:
    1. camber angle (which should be irrelevant in Scrap Mechanic, as it is usually a fixed value unless you´re running a double wishbone suspension)
    2. the wheel alignment (the angle that the wheels are pointing inwards when comparing against driving-direction, which SHOULD also be irrelevant in Scrap mechanic, but may be a factor)
    3. the caster (the distance that the tyre travels after it's track point, aka the vertical of the swivel axis)
    the latter one may make the difference here, maybe (or maybe not, depending on SM physics) increasing the potential to steer.
    Adjusting these values without references (considering you´re building in scrap mechanic, and real-car values are completely useless here) will probably be a very tricky one, let alone re-building the system in SM. But it has a massively positive effect on the steering.
    That´s because, if done right, it will make the steering basically adjust itself when turning, so that the inside wheel turns sharper than the outside wheel, reducing slip on the wheel.
    Usually, the wheel alignment would also make a difference, since the car getting pushed forward will make the wheels "realign" themselves. So instead of a "triangle" shape with the top being in front of the car, they get straightened out by the forward force from the powered back wheels. However: with SM physics, i don´t think that´s necessary.
    Considering you´re going step by step into more realistic builds, you may wanna take a look at these things.

  • @DS-tj1xf
    @DS-tj1xf Рік тому +1

    When it comes to timing an engine for torque you can set the pistons to the slowest setting and adjust the wheel until there is zero jolts between pistons turning on and off. This makes it to where there is no dead space between strokes so it should not stall out as easy at low rpm.

  • @kidsalex13
    @kidsalex13 Рік тому

    8:13 its kinda cool hearing you say that because ive also designed a few cars and steering mechanisms based off my rc cars

  • @ButItRuns
    @ButItRuns Рік тому

    "Push-bar" =Ackermann steering geometry. There's a good math that goes with it. Trucks still use gearboxes with centerlink/ draglink steering. Rack and pinion don't really work all that well with high weight. If you put the rear axle gear on a couple pistons, you can move the central member back and forth to get you forward and reverse at the press of a button. Of course that V8 had forward and reverse based on the timing anyway.

  • @adamshults9810
    @adamshults9810 Рік тому

    Can’t get enough of your piston engine content.

  • @JB_ea
    @JB_ea Рік тому +1

    You can interact with number blocks now to set the number. You don’t need to use tick buttons

  • @Pyrrhist
    @Pyrrhist Рік тому

    Great to see these engines powering something. Makes me want to do a piston engine only survival challange.

  • @EdenPlayMinecraft
    @EdenPlayMinecraft Рік тому

    I love building standards and unique systems in scrap mechanic.

  • @deltacx1059
    @deltacx1059 Рік тому

    8:09 there are many more systems, some use a offset hole on the steering shaft connected to a arm then to the steering knuckle, others are similar but have recirculating balls to aid in steering.
    You can do it so many ways.

  • @Baer1990
    @Baer1990 Рік тому

    7:17
    On my multi axle trucks and tanks I always figure out the specific angle per wheel per direction and set them in the level 5 seats steering bearing.
    It's just a few minutes work but the driving get a hell of a lot smoother

  • @Ihsnetad
    @Ihsnetad Рік тому

    Build train chassis for testing. No issues with "steering" or navigating tight spaces. You are always on the "road" and can add/remove carts for additional load.
    You can test engines by running "laps". It would give you a more accurate reading about speed.

  • @CharlesSydlo
    @CharlesSydlo Рік тому

    The link that ties the steering mechanism to the wheels is properly called a "tie rod". Rack and pinion and steering gear box/pitman arm type both have tie rods. For optimum performance look up Ackerman steering for a good description. I'm not sure if you can implement it in game but if you can it should improve steering performance.

  • @BeefTechnology
    @BeefTechnology Рік тому

    For the steering to angle the wheels at the right angle, the bearing that steers the wheel and the bearing that attaches to the big rod should be aligned with the center of the rear axle.

  • @jaghodiiiino
    @jaghodiiiino Рік тому +2

    You should add some transmission system, that could be sick

  • @adicsbtw
    @adicsbtw Рік тому

    if you added another point of articulation to the engine mount and a second set of pistons, you could ensure that the mount always remains level. It would be a mechanism similar to a so-called "four bar arm", which is common in robotics to keep things level on a mechanical scale

  • @DagoDuck
    @DagoDuck Рік тому +1

    0:50 I once built an X-piece for my V8 Piston semitruck.

  • @sneecy716
    @sneecy716 Рік тому

    you can click U on the counter block to manually type in the desired value, so that you dont have to fiddle around with tick buttons and colors :D

  • @sleman4605
    @sleman4605 Рік тому

    please make more of these videos i learn so much from them thank you sooo much

  • @BLKBRDSR71
    @BLKBRDSR71 Рік тому

    That engine is so SMOOTH.

  • @Wiwerest
    @Wiwerest Рік тому +1

    I think that for weaker engines it would be convenient to add a clutch with a flywheel to this chassis. Clutch could be piston operated and it would engage with the 'forward' button pressed. And crankshaft would be connected directly to the flywheel. And engine itself could be turned on and off with separate switch

  • @EpsilonRosePersonal
    @EpsilonRosePersonal Рік тому +2

    It might be worth adding a piston or two to the rear axle, so you can switch the direction without having to break it.

  • @ollielynas5805
    @ollielynas5805 Рік тому

    you could measure sliping by comparing front and back rpms. you could have a light taht turns on when the wheel slips and that would tell you if you needed more weight

  • @iwenttogoogleheadquartersa1397

    @7:09 you say that you need a push bar to have different steering angles. You could also just adjust the turning angle on each steering bearing though. It has adjustability for right and left turning

    • @kANGaming
      @kANGaming  Рік тому

      True I forgot scrap mechanic has settings for steering angles on individual bearings...

  • @saulbttf31
    @saulbttf31 Рік тому

    There's a easier way to do Ackerman steering, with a level 5 seat if you go to each wheel's steering bearing you can set up the angle it goes to at each side, just put more angle on the left wheel while turning left and more angle on the right while turning right, that way you avoid making a whole rack and pinion and/or lever system

  • @ryanfaber9384
    @ryanfaber9384 Рік тому

    I'm just imagining a Kan hosting a multiplayer event where people bring in their own engines and pit them against each other. Tractor pulls, drag races, circuit races, etc. It might suck a bit with Multiplayer being as buggy as it is but it still seems like it'd be a cool time.

  • @melancholicminerva6370
    @melancholicminerva6370 Рік тому

    Just a thought, In real life engines have bushings to help with vibrations; Im not sure how that translates to scrap mechanic, but piston engines tend to be kinda violent with their vibrations. Setting up some stiff suspension pieces that could attach to the engine might help alleviate this without losing torque, similarly to what the elevation pistons at the back are doing.
    At the same time though, I may be over thinking it considering how heavy this vehicle is; For large engines, and engines in the future that will have more rpm though, it might do something beneficial.

  • @Vessekx
    @Vessekx Рік тому

    You need to redesign that rear axle to have pistons that shift the forward/reverse gears in/out of mesh so you can toggle the direction without editing the axle each time.

  • @Psycorde
    @Psycorde Рік тому

    I hope in the future devs add either different types of wheels or tech wheels where you can adjust friction values

  • @caleb7160
    @caleb7160 Рік тому +1

    I wish scrap mechanic had squishy tires

  • @kennythegamer1
    @kennythegamer1 Рік тому

    You should add a simple transmission with reverse, neutral, and forward, so you can let the engine warm up and don't have to change the settings of the engine to reverse or change direction when you don't know which direction it goes.

  • @falin9557
    @falin9557 Рік тому

    Your pushbar steering doesn't turn the inside wheel more than the outside wheel. For that you need to have the steering arms pointing at the rear differential. Instead you can use regular bearing steering and set the angles to be greater when the wheel is the inside wheel. You can calculate the angle to have a more accurate setting, but after all, the difference is minuscule

  • @BanyanBirb
    @BanyanBirb Рік тому

    I would like to see a scrap mechanic attempt at the Ducatti engine, with 4 pistons married to a single crank via pivoting levers

  • @SamFams.
    @SamFams. Рік тому

    1 Block in SM is 25cm; Both engines went about 50 blocks per second, which is about 27MPH (45KPH)

  • @SL416.
    @SL416. Рік тому

    this video is so amazing.

  • @Butch13_Gaming
    @Butch13_Gaming Рік тому

    Would love to see a comparison of this style vs a transversely mounted engine connected directly to the drive shaft. Curious what affect the pipe gear has or doesn't have on the system.

  • @verrueckteriwan
    @verrueckteriwan Рік тому

    now you can test community build piston engines to test them against each other, making a competition for best engine

  • @justclover6123
    @justclover6123 Рік тому

    You need to turn the V8 into I guess it could be called an X16 and put it on the chassis with a differential and little transmission that would be so awesome to see in action.

  • @henrygoldberg1248
    @henrygoldberg1248 Рік тому

    Id recommend making a better transfer of energy either rotate your engines 90° or use a gearless system

  • @destroyer99612
    @destroyer99612 Рік тому +1

    this has 1000 times the dislikes it has. Nice vid as always kan thanks for the idea of measuring

  • @JamezJoy2472
    @JamezJoy2472 Рік тому +1

    Insert engine or select engine type

  • @mika659cz
    @mika659cz Рік тому +1

    maybe make a version with some sort of suspension (either normal or double wishbone or any else) to see how much does it affect the performance

    • @kepstin
      @kepstin Рік тому

      It could end up going either way! the suspension will probably absorb some torque, but it will also keep the wheels in contact with the ground better so you have more grip (and therefore can use more torque, because wheels slip less).

  • @n0tbutters178
    @n0tbutters178 Рік тому

    You should do test with the dyno to see if there is drivetrain loss and if there is how bad it is like test the hp and torque of an engine then connect it to a Transmission and diff and test the power from the axle

  • @ASOTFAN16
    @ASOTFAN16 Рік тому

    It might be smarter to measure the rotation on the front wheels instead for the most accurate reading. Your driven wheels might slip especially with a bounce which can happen a lot. The front wheels can bounce too but they aren't driven so nothing is forcing those to rotate faster if they do come off the ground. IMO this would be the better option, to measure on the front wheels
    Lol nvm I spoke too soon

  • @toast3111
    @toast3111 Рік тому

    For the negative RPM annoyance, wouldn't it have been easier to get an absolute value before displaying the result? That way, RPM would always be positive while allowing rotation in either direction.

  • @karikalankrishan5313
    @karikalankrishan5313 Рік тому

    You should try and make a v12 and try it on the chasis

  • @ShawnF6FHellcat
    @ShawnF6FHellcat Рік тому

    Might be better to use a rotating arm with the controller instead of the pistons when elevating the engine. Also, the counter blocks have UIs now so that you can just type in the number that you want.

  • @travislapham3479
    @travislapham3479 Рік тому

    Kan you could do what I suggested in one of your videos to see if that'll work and if it doesn't work then try building the piston engine in reverse and then have the pistons going forward

  • @danielcox3983
    @danielcox3983 Рік тому

    Add two more pistons to the engine, add a shaft to the front axle for AWD, bigger tires, and you have a Subaru lol

  • @Jogun_
    @Jogun_ Рік тому

    You made a piston powerd car before and I remeber that you had pistons in the back push/pulling the gears so that you could switch between forward and backward. Could that help to make the car better and not needing to rebuild the gears every time.

  • @atlas4733
    @atlas4733 Рік тому +1

    Do you know that you have 3 hotbars? You can switch between them with ALT+1, ALT+2, ... or F1, F2, ...
    I put tools on 3, blocks on 1, and functional stuff on 2

  • @clashofcraft9725
    @clashofcraft9725 Рік тому

    kAN, don't use the smart button, now you can directly add the value in the number blocks just by pressing the tinker button (normally [u]) on the number block, it'll open a entire interface that is way more convinient to use

  • @sarahtyo3084
    @sarahtyo3084 Рік тому

    Open the ui in number block it lets you directly set value

  • @Smrf4997
    @Smrf4997 Рік тому

    I think you should make trailer’s that have different weight for testing pulling power

  • @Bibil3ma0
    @Bibil3ma0 Рік тому

    What do you think about creating an engine for a 4v4 chassis, then it would be good to test scrap vehicles with front and rear rotation that are made for this terrain full of ravines, holes and jumps.

  • @leonize2459
    @leonize2459 Рік тому

    You're brilliant dude.

  • @stevepittman3770
    @stevepittman3770 Рік тому

    Well now you've got a chassis, you just need to upgrade it with a differential, a transmission, proper suspension, etc! ;)

  • @MrImmature
    @MrImmature Рік тому

    also make suspension for the straight axle. and if its possible try independant.

  • @einskeviniam6695
    @einskeviniam6695 Рік тому

    good vid. I think u need more weight in the front.

  • @divyadharshini69
    @divyadharshini69 Рік тому

    I think it would be fun to how much better it is to turn using a differential

  • @Tobs2007
    @Tobs2007 Рік тому

    you can press u on a counter to open its gui to set an exact value

  • @axoneer7806
    @axoneer7806 Рік тому

    You should try the mechanical parts mod it has better gears, and it has compact pass threw bearings.

  • @dominikvarholik7519
    @dominikvarholik7519 Рік тому

    you should use pipe bracers instead of big wheels for more ground clearance

  • @ja9mz663
    @ja9mz663 11 місяців тому

    could you use medium piping and 2x2 sets of pistons to make a perfect double scale v8 or inline 4. then if that would be possible maybe even a larger one with the large piping lol.

  • @ERYK2109
    @ERYK2109 Рік тому

    you could put a single wheel infront or behind the car and measure rpm from it instead of the powered or the steering wheels

  • @octopuscardoor
    @octopuscardoor Рік тому

    My brain is not smart enough for this game, but it’s a good watch.

  • @idiotbutransrights
    @idiotbutransrights Рік тому

    Yesss!!!!!

  • @Adder6112
    @Adder6112 Рік тому

    You should test this in multiplayer Monday

  • @eafasdyyhgesghserg
    @eafasdyyhgesghserg Рік тому +1

    Build a piston powered leopard 2a6

  • @sully.varnadoe1472
    @sully.varnadoe1472 Рік тому

    I honestly don't know if the modpack has an absolute function, if they don't it might be worth squaring and then taking the square root of the rpm input so that it'll always be positive even when the car is moving backward.

  • @Cr4sHOv3rRiD3
    @Cr4sHOv3rRiD3 Рік тому

    With those pass through shafts you can replicate entire crankshaft build from a real car (to look like from a real engine). For example, you have pass thru, then counterweight, then pass thru, another counterweight, then middle pass thru, counterweight, pass thru, counterweight etc... I'm curious if the engine contraption will lose some torque if built that way.
    For one piston you will have to build like this: pass thru (middle shaft), counterweight/pass thru (piston connection)/counterweight, pass thru (middle shaft).
    Counterweights and middle shafts should be single piece, probably you will have to use bearings to be able to offset the angles for another piston positions etc...

  • @outandabout259
    @outandabout259 Рік тому

    hey kAN, did you know you can press U on the number block and type in the value you want instead of using painted buttons?

  • @Rocketenginetoaster
    @Rocketenginetoaster Рік тому

    You should re do that flying pirate ship and actually make it piston powered

  • @jaksus
    @jaksus Рік тому

    Sir can we introduce you to the wonderful world of U-Joints?

  • @TheSpookiestSkeleton
    @TheSpookiestSkeleton Рік тому

    man you need to put a suspension on that so it rides smoother lol.

  • @carsonsiegenthaler7765
    @carsonsiegenthaler7765 Рік тому

    Instead of the pistons changing the degree at which the engine is mounted. Could it be beneficial to add a universal joint instead. Reducing that bouncing while keeping the variable height.

  • @mrsilverman
    @mrsilverman Рік тому +1

    Nice

  • @strangeyk1890
    @strangeyk1890 Рік тому

    next item for the arsenal would be a weighing scale not sure how it could work without it being laggy though

  • @patrykwozniak8759
    @patrykwozniak8759 Рік тому

    Could I have final build of this for my testings?

  • @Nevir202
    @Nevir202 Рік тому

    21:13 Instead of deleting and rebuilding these, could you possibly do glitch welding such that the gear is mounted on a piston overlapped with the rear shaft, which by default is too far to engage, and then you could just control which gear engages with a button that toggles between the two pistons?

  • @gektronvestro
    @gektronvestro Рік тому

    straight pipes are horrible for using them as gears teeth, use corner pipes instead. I've already tested out that they can handle higher torque

  • @samadkins6727
    @samadkins6727 Рік тому

    if you test anything bigger you need a new frame with custom suspension and more complex steering

  • @elektro860
    @elektro860 Рік тому

    with The modpack you can just press U on the counters and type a number in

  • @sonorangaming449
    @sonorangaming449 Рік тому

    I wonder if holding the engines up by bearings powered directly by a controller would be stronger than holding them with two pistons.

  • @Rower93
    @Rower93 Рік тому

    Hey, have you considered doing a tractor pull style sled that increases resistance as distance is crossed?

    • @kornaros96
      @kornaros96 Рік тому

      Nice idea for Multiplayer Mondays.

  • @mixer2.0
    @mixer2.0 Рік тому

    You know that counter block now has the gui, right?

  • @Deusdra
    @Deusdra Рік тому

    You know you can set the counter blocks value by clicking U you don’t have to press a bunch of buttons to get the right value

  • @loganlilland3249
    @loganlilland3249 Рік тому +1

    Insert cash or select payment type

  • @paradoxcorporated2906
    @paradoxcorporated2906 Рік тому

    lifehack: in new modpack you can see and change values in count block directly through the interface

  • @Wheagg
    @Wheagg Рік тому

    Those gears absolutely EAT torque and power, especially on low-power engines (thruster engines usually). A direct connection is better. That's why I haven't made an electric chassis test car yet. Cause the whole back half of the thing is up to interpretation.

  • @Kraxel-North
    @Kraxel-North Рік тому

    Can you put it on the workshop? Would be great to have but those modded number blocks confuse me too much to make one myself.