Oh my goodness! You are breaking it down like a "Alka-Seltzer" tablet!! Thorough, clear and precise! I appreciate your style! Continued success! Rumble young man rumble!!!
Great work, as always, Greg! This is the meat and potatoes of the rule book and these kinds of situations happen multiple times during our games, so we need to know these rules in our sleep. Also, nice work in calling out the NFHS rules for being a bit...ahem...less than completely clear at times.
Great explanation of continuous motion. Always drives me crazy to see "on the floor" calls when continuous motion should have been applied. Example given to years ago, think of Kareem Abdul Jabbar sky hook. He could get hit on the arm when the ball was at his waist as he was starting his hook shot but he had started the habitual motion. Therefore, it should always be a shooting foul.
Love this analysis. Like you said, you know it when you see it, but now we have language to communicate to the coach. Prime example being a defensive rebounding foul during an attempt that is good. When the defending coach "asks," "Should that count/Why does that count?" The response: "Coach, that's continuous motion."
Awesome, love your stuff! However, you kinda blew me away when throughout your entire discussion of "continuous motion," you repeatedly refer to "the habitual throwing (or shooting) motion," and move your arm into a shooting position, as the beginning of the interval. However, then way at the end (12:16) you introduce that "the gathering of the ball on a layup" is the beginning of the interval. The gathering of the ball has nothing to do with "the habitual throwing motion" but is simply one way of ending a dribble. Just because a dribbler gathers the ball and takes a step toward the basket, we shouldn't guess that the player was going to try for goal (they could pass) - the dribbler should have to have begun throwing or attempted to throw for goal (art. 4.41.2) or at least begun the motion that habitually precedes the release of the ball (art. 4.41.3), the throwing/shooting motion, in order for the continuous motion privilege to be in affect as stated at the end of article 4.11.2. No?
Hi Brad. A player terminating their dribble and "gathering" the ball *is part of the habitual throwing movement* on layups. It is the job of the official to determine whether that has occurred or not. Judgement call.
In the last scenario at 13:30. If a foul happens away from the shooter and continuous motion is in play and the try is successful... What is the penalty for the fouling player? I know the goal will count. Does the offense get the ball out of bounds nearest were the foul occurred? Does the defense get possession normally at the end line after the foul is reported or is the throw administered by the official at the end line? If the team is offensive is in the bonus does the offensive player fouled away from the ball get free throws since team control was in effect during the foul? Sorry if that's a lot? Thanks.
Is the Euro Step legal in H.S. Basketball. I understand the Euro step as a "player gathers the ball and then taking 2 steps and releasing the ball towards the basket. If after the player "gathers" the ball and takes more than 2 steps it is a travel. Your comments welcome.
Hi Warren to answer your question a euro-step may be legally executed in high school basketball. Your definition though is a little imprecise. In high school basketball a player may not lift their pivot foot and return it to the floor. If that player caught the ball in the air they could take two steps but if they catch the ball with a foot on the floor they may not lift that pivot foot and return it to the floor legally
Quick question: In the last scenario you said if a defensive playerB-1 displaces A-1 under the basket, while A-2 is shooting the ball from somewhere else and makes the basket. What is the exact call? Meaning, the basket counts, no free throws unless in bonus and team A gets the ball back under the goal?
You are summary at the end is correct. Score the goal. Enforce the foul. The reason being that "any defensive player" committed a foul during the period when continuous motion applies.
If the foul occurs against an offensive player other than the shooter, the basket is made. Would there be a and 1 free throw attempt? If so, by whom? If not, how would that be addressed?
During the first scenario: what if the 3 point field goal is good during a intentional foul, would the shooter/sub be awarded 2 free throws+ball?
That is one hundred percent correct
Oh my goodness! You are breaking it down like a "Alka-Seltzer" tablet!! Thorough, clear and precise! I appreciate your style! Continued success! Rumble young man rumble!!!
Great work, as always, Greg! This is the meat and potatoes of the rule book and these kinds of situations happen multiple times during our games, so we need to know these rules in our sleep. Also, nice work in calling out the NFHS rules for being a bit...ahem...less than completely clear at times.
Great explanation of continuous motion. Always drives me crazy to see "on the floor" calls when continuous motion should have been applied. Example given to years ago, think of Kareem Abdul Jabbar sky hook. He could get hit on the arm when the ball was at his waist as he was starting his hook shot but he had started the habitual motion. Therefore, it should always be a shooting foul.
Another great video! Love your content man!!
Thanks for the clarity around the rule set.
Once again Greg. Awesome training video. Taking the rules and dissecting them like you do make it great to remember.
Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Love this analysis. Like you said, you know it when you see it, but now we have language to communicate to the coach. Prime example being a defensive rebounding foul during an attempt that is good. When the defending coach "asks," "Should that count/Why does that count?" The response: "Coach, that's continuous motion."
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Awesome, love your stuff! However, you kinda blew me away when throughout your entire discussion of "continuous motion," you repeatedly refer to "the habitual throwing (or shooting) motion," and move your arm into a shooting position, as the beginning of the interval. However, then way at the end (12:16) you introduce that "the gathering of the ball on a layup" is the beginning of the interval. The gathering of the ball has nothing to do with "the habitual throwing motion" but is simply one way of ending a dribble. Just because a dribbler gathers the ball and takes a step toward the basket, we shouldn't guess that the player was going to try for goal (they could pass) - the dribbler should have to have begun throwing or attempted to throw for goal (art. 4.41.2) or at least begun the motion that habitually precedes the release of the ball (art. 4.41.3), the throwing/shooting motion, in order for the continuous motion privilege to be in affect as stated at the end of article 4.11.2. No?
Hi Brad. A player terminating their dribble and "gathering" the ball *is part of the habitual throwing movement* on layups.
It is the job of the official to determine whether that has occurred or not. Judgement call.
Great stuff!
In the last scenario at 13:30. If a foul happens away from the shooter and continuous motion is in play and the try is successful...
What is the penalty for the fouling player? I know the goal will count.
Does the offense get the ball out of bounds nearest were the foul occurred?
Does the defense get possession normally at the end line after the foul is reported or is the throw administered by the official at the end line?
If the team is offensive is in the bonus does the offensive player fouled away from the ball get free throws since team control was in effect during the foul?
Sorry if that's a lot?
Thanks.
The foul is penalized.
Spot out of bounds or bonus free throws.
IS this the same for NBA Rules? or totally different?
Is the Euro Step legal in H.S. Basketball. I understand the Euro step as a "player gathers the ball and then taking 2 steps and releasing the ball towards the basket. If after the player "gathers" the ball and takes more than 2 steps it is a travel.
Your comments welcome.
Hi Warren to answer your question a euro-step may be legally executed in high school basketball. Your definition though is a little imprecise. In high school basketball a player may not lift their pivot foot and return it to the floor. If that player caught the ball in the air they could take two steps but if they catch the ball with a foot on the floor they may not lift that pivot foot and return it to the floor legally
Quick question:
In the last scenario you said if a defensive playerB-1 displaces A-1 under the basket, while A-2 is shooting the ball from somewhere else and makes the basket. What is the exact call?
Meaning, the basket counts, no free throws unless in bonus and team A gets the ball back under the goal?
You are summary at the end is correct. Score the goal. Enforce the foul.
The reason being that "any defensive player" committed a foul during the period when continuous motion applies.
If the foul occurs against an offensive player other than the shooter, the basket is made. Would there be a and 1 free throw attempt? If so, by whom? If not, how would that be addressed?
It sounds like you're describing the NBA rule which is really wild
He should also have mentioned Fundamental #17 when discussing Continuous Motion
Good point. It does a better job communicating that the rule itself!