If play 2 is a travel, then every low post play is a travel, every spin move is a travel, and every spin fadeaway is a travel.(I'm saying the call is wrong.)
If the player does a spin move by picking up the ball when both feet are on the ground (so either foot can become the pivot foot), then it’s a legal move. If they pick up the ball with one foot on the ground, that foot has to be the pivot foot. So if they pick it up and put it back down, it is a travel.
I can’t tell if this one she actually had picked up the ball at the time of her right foot coming down or not, but it looks smooth to me and is a questionable one for sure.
if both of the travel calls had players going straight to the basket, used the gather dribble just as demonstrated int he video, and then took the same number of steps (again as illustrated in the video) neither one would be called for travelling as they should not here, because it is not a travel.
Great work as usual Greg! I LOVE these videos. So helpful. Don't leave me hanging--what to do with the hypothetical situation you brought up: suppose White #13 had been subbed out before White brings the ball in bounds (incorrectly) after the foul? Does he get to come in off the bench to shoot his merited 1 and 1? And for extra credit, can you dream up a correctable error situation where a different player gets to shoot the merited free throws?
@@BetterOfficials In that link, the officials don't handle the correctable error properly. After the foul call on White, Blue should have shot free throws, but instead was awarded a throw-in (this is where the correctable error occurred). Then at the Blue end of the floor, the ball goes out of bounds (which is "the first dead ball after the clock has properly started", 2-10-2). As soon as the ball is put at the disposal of White for throw in (and therefore is live), it's too late to correct the error. And, the officials further botched this by resuming play with the natural result of the free throw (they should have used POI because there was a change of posession), right?
Jeff I only watched most of it on my phone. They clearly made mistakes But didn't they pull a substituted player Off the Bench to shoot free throws? I guess that gives us part of the answer for your original question. Don't do what this crew did. LOL
@@BetterOfficials Even if they did pull the sub off the bench, I don't think I'd assume that is the proper thing to do since they messed up several other things with the correctable error :)
Nfhs mechanics has the lead if they are The Calling official & we're going backcourt to frontcourt with no free throws lead switches with the tableside official. That was a mechanic that was brought in to enhance communication and make sure the lead comes off of the end line and gets to the reporting area Nfhs said well let's just have them come table side and that way they can communicate with coaches Etc
Sure looks like White ball handler travels at 4:50 before the charge. He ends his dribble with right foot on the floor, then does his Eurostep move adding two more steps (putting his right foot on the floor again). Travel, don't you think?
First travel call is not a travel. Player did not pick up the ball until after her foot was planted then spins and takes two steps. That is a text book spin move and should be applauded as such.
What would've happened if on play #5 white #13 fouled out on the 3 point shot? Would he be eligible to shoot the free throws or would he be disqualified?
I'm sure exactly what you refer to here, but if a player receives a disqualifying foul while the are due merited free throws, they are disqualified and their substitute shall attempt the free throws.
The correct sequence would be for 13 white to get a 1+1 with the lane empty, then go to the other end so blue gets their and 1 for the 3 point field goal with lane filled and you just roll on from there.
videos have been great but the travels are they not considering the gather step? or you may know it as the zero step, follwed by one two? i do believe there is a fiba video that does a demonstration of that spin move in travel play #2 as legal. as for the harden style one most people consider his a travel because sometimes he steps back and lands on the same foot first which is clearly a not allowed move. if considering the gather step in that one also it may be allowed if not i see your view. its not a pivot foot just because he gathers the ball hope to hear back from you... looking forward to more vids
I know this is a fairly old comment, but this is important. NFHS does not have the concept of a gather step. Once you've picked up your dribble, the next time you touch the floor determines your pivot foot (including a jump stop, which says you don't have a pivot foot)
@@BetterOfficials yeh in the "play 5" right after the throw in from the sideline 9:11 , he throws a pass to a player in his backcourt was that missed ?
Jesus I disagree so much with these. It's not that I disagree with your explanation of NFHS interpretations, I disagree fundamentally about how the NFHS tells refs to interpret the rules. The first 2 were gather-steps, and so you wouldn't count them as a planted pivot foot. In my opinion, more leeway needs to be given on these calls, because calling it so strictly affects the flow of the game. You can see at 6:15 when he pauses the video that the player is already in his steps before the defender has planted his feet for the charge, but because NFHS is telling you to look elsewhere you completely miss it even with the video paused. The next call is definitely a charge though. What the hell is an error timeframe?? The moment the next play begins your "error timeframe" is up. NFHS shouldn't allow shit like that to be open to interpretation, creates way too much confusion for officials and players. P.S. Fuck knows why NFHS allows junior basketball to pass it backcourt of the inbound.
That was a great video, thank you.
Thanks!
Thank you for the better official videos. The best I have found out there! The videos are helping me take my officiating to the next level
Wow, thank you!
Great explanation on play 1 of the staggered versus two-feet simultaneous landing. Helps me a ton as a new official.
If play 2 is a travel, then every low post play is a travel, every spin move is a travel, and every spin fadeaway is a travel.(I'm saying the call is wrong.)
Agree
I tend to agree and it doesn't look like a travel when u see it live, but the pivot foot does return to the floor.
If the player does a spin move by picking up the ball when both feet are on the ground (so either foot can become the pivot foot), then it’s a legal move. If they pick up the ball with one foot on the ground, that foot has to be the pivot foot. So if they pick it up and put it back down, it is a travel.
I can’t tell if this one she actually had picked up the ball at the time of her right foot coming down or not, but it looks smooth to me and is a questionable one for sure.
Outstanding as usual. Keep up the great work.
if both of the travel calls had players going straight to the basket, used the gather dribble just as demonstrated int he video, and then took the same number of steps (again as illustrated in the video) neither one would be called for travelling as they should not here, because it is not a travel.
great stuff...keep up the great work
Great correctable error example
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Thank you very much! Much appreciated and much love!
So on play 5, do you count the three and/but ignore the foul?
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Greg, You rock man o_o
Great work as usual Greg! I LOVE these videos. So helpful. Don't leave me hanging--what to do with the hypothetical situation you brought up: suppose White #13 had been subbed out before White brings the ball in bounds (incorrectly) after the foul? Does he get to come in off the bench to shoot his merited 1 and 1? And for extra credit, can you dream up a correctable error situation where a different player gets to shoot the merited free throws?
Jeff check this vid out ua-cam.com/video/lQ2hGhkU1nc/v-deo.html
@@BetterOfficials In that link, the officials don't handle the correctable error properly. After the foul call on White, Blue should have shot free throws, but instead was awarded a throw-in (this is where the correctable error occurred). Then at the Blue end of the floor, the ball goes out of bounds (which is "the first dead ball after the clock has properly started", 2-10-2). As soon as the ball is put at the disposal of White for throw in (and therefore is live), it's too late to correct the error. And, the officials further botched this by resuming play with the natural result of the free throw (they should have used POI because there was a change of posession), right?
Jeff I only watched most of it on my phone. They clearly made mistakes But didn't they pull a substituted player Off the Bench to shoot free throws? I guess that gives us part of the answer for your original question. Don't do what this crew did. LOL
@@BetterOfficials Even if they did pull the sub off the bench, I don't think I'd assume that is the proper thing to do since they messed up several other things with the correctable error :)
Greg watching that video gave me a huge migraine lol
On play 4, why do lead and c rotate since the play occurs in the new backcourt?
Nfhs mechanics has the lead if they are The Calling official & we're going backcourt to frontcourt with no free throws lead switches with the tableside official. That was a mechanic that was brought in to enhance communication and make sure the lead comes off of the end line and gets to the reporting area Nfhs said well let's just have them come table side and that way they can communicate with coaches Etc
Here in California, since this video came out, we have been instructed to ignore this mechanic.
Is play number one not legal due to the gather step ?
Sure looks like White ball handler travels at 4:50 before the charge. He ends his dribble with right foot on the floor, then does his Eurostep move adding two more steps (putting his right foot on the floor again). Travel, don't you think?
I can see why you would say that. All about when the player is ruled to have terminated their dribble.
First travel call is not a travel. Player did not pick up the ball until after her foot was planted then spins and takes two steps. That is a text book spin move and should be applauded as such.
What would've happened if on play #5 white #13 fouled out on the 3 point shot? Would he be eligible to shoot the free throws or would he be disqualified?
I'm sure exactly what you refer to here, but if a player receives a disqualifying foul while the are due merited free throws, they are disqualified and their substitute shall attempt the free throws.
Do you have a video or something on goaltending? Are there different types of goaltending?
So did white 13 get to shoot his 1 and 1 after blue shot the and one after the foul on the 3 point shot?
The correct sequence would be for 13 white to get a 1+1 with the lane empty, then go to the other end so blue gets their and 1 for the 3 point field goal with lane filled and you just roll on from there.
videos have been great but the travels are they not considering the gather step? or you may know it as the zero step, follwed by one two?
i do believe there is a fiba video that does a demonstration of that spin move in travel play #2 as legal.
as for the harden style one most people consider his a travel because sometimes he steps back and lands on the same foot first which is clearly a not allowed move. if considering the gather step in that one also it may be allowed if not i see your view.
its not a pivot foot just because he gathers the ball
hope to hear back from you... looking forward to more vids
I know this is a fairly old comment, but this is important. NFHS does not have the concept of a gather step. Once you've picked up your dribble, the next time you touch the floor determines your pivot foot (including a jump stop, which says you don't have a pivot foot)
CAPTION IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THIS VIDEO.I CANNOT SEE THE VIOLATION BECAUSE OF THE CAPTION.
9.12 why no halfcourt violation?
NFHS rules the throw-in to the backcourt is completely legal.
Sir, isn't there a foul call "backcourt" ?
There is a violation: Backcourt Violation.
@@BetterOfficials yeh in the "play 5" right after the throw in from the sideline 9:11 , he throws a pass to a player in his backcourt was that missed ?
I don't know about the travel but I think its not because its the gather step?
is this ahh fiba rule
Jesus I disagree so much with these. It's not that I disagree with your explanation of NFHS interpretations, I disagree fundamentally about how the NFHS tells refs to interpret the rules. The first 2 were gather-steps, and so you wouldn't count them as a planted pivot foot. In my opinion, more leeway needs to be given on these calls, because calling it so strictly affects the flow of the game. You can see at 6:15 when he pauses the video that the player is already in his steps before the defender has planted his feet for the charge, but because NFHS is telling you to look elsewhere you completely miss it even with the video paused. The next call is definitely a charge though.
What the hell is an error timeframe?? The moment the next play begins your "error timeframe" is up. NFHS shouldn't allow shit like that to be open to interpretation, creates way too much confusion for officials and players.
P.S. Fuck knows why NFHS allows junior basketball to pass it backcourt of the inbound.
All your other videos I don't have a problem with. It just seems to be this one that grinds my gears.
The gather step is a concept that is not a high school rule
Play #3 is not a travel. You missed that play because you officiate girls and boys basketball instead of just one.