Intel: *_"3D-V Cache is good for gaming but not much for applications... So we will implement it, but only on server CPUs"_* Sorry Intel but your reasoning confuses me 🤔
Intel CPUs are known to benefit less from cache than AMD CPUs, or at least that is the case with CPUs prior to Arrow Lake. They still benefit from it, just not as much as AMD architectures do. The reason Arrow Lake is slower than 13-14th gen in gaming is because of the memory latency from chiplets. The reason that latency is high is because they have cores on the compute tile, but the memory controller is on the SoC tile. In theory, more cache should help with that latency somewhat, however, based on leaks, Intel just seems to be moving back the controller on to the compute tile for the next desktop generation rather than adding 3D cache. But the generation after that should move the IMC back on to the SoC die with "countermeasures". So based on the leaks, it just sounds that Intel isn't ready to release their extra cache variants.
Its horribly a stupid answer that makes no sense... "Not good for other applications"? Servers runs those "other applications"... So why put it into server chip!?! This is why Intel will keep failing. Terrible choices and nobody wants intel in their servers atm anyway with all their pass issues, they need to rebuild their trust and that's trough Gamers.
@@lycanthoss Ok, I get it why they aren't putting 3D V-cache on desktop CPUs, but why put it on server CPUs? Or they move that memory controller back in its previous place only on the desktop CPUs?
@@Hardcore_Remixer don't know why, but would assume it benefits some very specific workload on servers. The server market uses a lot of different accelerators for different tasks so that could be why. Could also just be that they were planning this earlier and the release date just happens to be now. Afterall, CPU releases take multiple years. Alder Lake was not a "response" to Zen 3. Alder Lake was definitely being designed before Zen 3 released and probably even before Zen 2. Considering Intel's 14nm problems, it might not even be a crazy idea to think that Alder Lake was originally planned to be the successor instead of all the Skylake crap they released. So it could be that the X3D chips caught Intel off guard and because of how long it takes to design CPUs (+ Intel might need bigger architectural changes to benefit from extra cache) they simply don't have an answer that is fully finished and ready to be shipped. Sometimes things in engineering just take time. No engineer or the company itself wants to ship an inferior product, especially when it comes at a loss to them.
Keep buying those AMD CPU's! We need to get to a 50/50 market because that's when we'll have the most competition between the 2 companies and also when we'll get the best deals. Hopefully Intel keeps dropping the ball until we get there and then I hope they come out with a banger of a CPU to keep that 50/50 market going.
😂😂😂😂 dumbahhh we already have a pretty balanced market amd knows it has no competition that’s why they increased prices, and they will keep increasing it and it could become more expensive than intel
@@claimdud3104i dont see anything wrong if a better product is more expensive if its better than the competition. Regardless of brand or any other product.
The DIY CPU market makes up quite literally 2% of AMDs yearly revenue, intel is in the same boat. They make the vast majority of their money from data center and enterprise sales.
@@claimdud3104Not even that much more expensive and 9800x3d is £200 cheaper than Intel 285k that's like £600+ so clearly they are not over charging really and has great prices tbh
Hint: There's zero reason to buy Intel for productivity now either. Bottom tier power efficiency is Intel's forte, even on TSMC, Intel just cannot do power efficiency correctly. Intel needs new management, Pat Gelsinger has lost the plot. Apple Silicon, AMD Ryzen, AMD Threadripper PRO, AMD EPYC, Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite and NVIDIA's Vera Rubin have us covered!
Intel is looking at the CPU market the same way that Microsoft is looking at the operating system market, meaning that they are trying to throw a net to catch as many people as possible, they are looking to be the jack of all trades, but the master of none.
The most likely reason is that Intel's just isn't going to benefit from 3D v-cache. It has been tested out sometime ago, by HUB probably that when you limit their memory cache on Intel chip, they bare lose any performance which mean it isn't the bottomneck in their architect. This is an architectural issue, not a chace issue most likely. They will just have to go back to the drawing board and redesign their chip from the ground up to be competitive with AMD in gaming application. Simply adding more cahce is not going to help.
The i7-5775c has nothing really in common with X3D. The i7 had on package DRAM, technologically more similar with Apple Silicon. It acted as L4, better latency than system RAM but still rather slow compared to SRAM cache.
They will just keep adding cores to justify the premium price and destroy everything else (ex - hyperthreading) so user benchmark can say it has more cores and does well in cinebench. They are behind AMD and still their price is ahead. As someone who bough more than 50+ intel chips in last 20 years (for me and my family), 12700K is the last intel chip I bought. No More.
@@thetheoryguy5544gaming is very much a good basis for these CPUs. It handles heavy workloads that you’d expect on other things like video editing software and photoshop. If you’re looking for server performance, get a server CPU.
@@thetheoryguy5544no there are other metrics, like -efficiency (amd wins) -price (amd is generally cheaper, 9950x is a bit cheaper than a 285k) -productivity performance (amd productivity chip vs Intel productivity chip are quite tied, amd is ahead in things like Adobe Photoshop while intel is ahead in video editing)
Dear Intel, please copy my homework: - Remove useless NPU. Nobody likes AI. - Add L4 cache wherever it fits. Why else go for a tile based architecture?!
(also I'm not a shill. I don't have any Intel cpus, but I have AMD, Intel, and Nvidia in my home. I buy the best bucket of sand for my needs and price) But why? If you need a GPU and don't want a high end you might want to look at Battlemage. Obviously if it doesn't fit your needs then don't buy it. Or if it's over priced, don't buy it. But I gotta say I'm very happy with my A770 I paid $320 for. And with cpu, I dunno. Just don't buy on release, wait for the beta testers first buyers and see if Intel fixes their stuff.
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One big thing about AMD is that not only do you get the best Gaming CPUs, but you get a Motherboard that will allow for a greater number of Quality Upgrades compared to Intel. Intel is mostly used for Pre Built Computers
I think its okay that Intel doesn't come up with a 3D V-Cache alternative, mainly cuz their cores may not benefit from it like AMD's do. Since with AMD latency has been an issue especially with the chiplet design so adding the cache would remedy that for games. But I'm not sure if Intel's implementation can benefit from the same solutions. And surely Intel's engineers must have tried it on their some gaming samples if they are doing it for server, maybe they just think that the improvement with the cache isn''t worth it
I have always been team blue when building a new gaming rig but last year I went the 7800X3D way (first AMD for me) and WOW! I'm now already planning a 9800X3D build and not even looking at intel...
It's like Intel has forgotten that Gamers are in IT and that if the IT folks say AMD is better because of their anecdotal experience, then the companies they work for will buy computers with AMD processors! Also, word of mouth is still a thing: If you are not a tech savvy person, but your nerdy friend is gushing about the fall of Intel and rise of AMD, the next time you need a computer you might notice the red sticker says AMD and pick it up instead of the blue Intel one.
9:23 This is the *exact* reason why 16 core X3D chips like the 7950X3D exist. The 8 3D 'slower' cores used for gaming while the other non-3D 'faster' cores are used in other non-cache sensitive scenarios. You get the best of both world, *in the same CPU.*
Yes but with one huge caveat .. The windows 11 scheduler, its a huge pile of crap that still to this day requires you the user to workaround its failings and use AMDs own special drivers to get it working correctly via core parking thus negating the reason you bought a 16 core CPU to begin with. The scheduler still puts threads on the wrong cores because it doesnt understand vcache. If MS ever actually fixes the scheduler it might make sense to buy a 7950 X3D but I think AMD is going to do that for them by simply getting rid of the non X3D CPUs. Not really sure why the non 3DX 9000 series CPU exist, no one wants them as they are trash hopefully they disappear for the 10k series and X3D becomes the standard. The 9950X3D is going to be a true gaming/productivity monster due to both chiplets having vcache which means the scheduler problems will go away as it wont matter which chiplet threads are running on. AMD solving Microsoft issues !
Can't help but wonder how an Intel 285K with triple the L3 cache would perform. Part of me wonders if the reason they wouldn't do 3D vcache is because of AMD patents.
I think so too. The only reason the haswell-e xeons still perform decent in games is their large L3 cache. But stating that cache is a gaming thing only is nonsense and Intel knows it too, which is why they working on it for servers.
I think the CPUs would be too expensive and be more costly. I don't think the Cache 'glue' be scalable like the chiplets on AMD which can have 3d vcache on every CCD.
For those still on AM4, watch the sales, the 5900X is coming in below $200 more often now. I made the jump to a 5900X at $190 instead of full rebuild with 9600X.
Intel's monolithic architectures don't benefit as much as Ryzen by increasing the cache size. Though now that they are using a tile based architecture and supposedly have latency issues, they might explore that idea a little more.
Even they Ryzen 5 5500 is in the top 10 best selling cpu's for 83.58 dollars. People that have b350,b450 and b550(the ones that only has pcie gen 3), are gettting the Ryzen 5 5500. It a solid chip. I even undervolted mine while keeping the same clock speed and its only pulling 37W max under 100% load. I used a negative PBO Curve of -20 on my Asrock B450M Steel Legend. I can even keep the -20 PBO and overclock it with +150 on the clock speed and get 4.4GHz while only sipping 47W max.
3D v-cache will come eventually, for the cost it's worth it, it'll just take a few years like it did for them to copy the "tiles" (aka chiplets) that AMD's been using for years
even the older Intel cpu are great at 4k gaming if you expect the 60-100 fps range and know how to fps cap to control the bottleneck, but them not adding extra cache means theyre asleep at the wheel, or worse case scenario prefer to not advance as its more profitable for the suits perhaps?
AMD just de-prioritized gaming with their layoff (#layoff-Lisa) and comments to double up on AI, now Intel not focusing on gaming, is it up to NVIDIA to finally drop a gaming centric CPU and dominate the entire market?
They can't just implement 3dv cache the way AMD do because it is patented. It has to be intels new approach on how to implement the extra cache differently. (Which is very hard to do because of temperature concerns especially for home users) you can't just steal AMD's patents.
The burnt out 9800X3D was probably installed, while the case was vertical. Causing slight shift as user switched hand while closing the socket. Per Actually Hardware Overclocking video. Always install CPUs while case is horizontal.
With 3MB L2 per core and the fact that their L3 actively prefetches vs AMD's which is just a victim cache, Intel's current chips probably wouldn't benefit as much from a massive L3.
I suppose Intel has their designs already planned for the next 5-7 years so it's unreasonable to them to change something. We'll see if the next design holds up against AMD in gaming. The current Intel CPUs aren't very convincing really ... Sadly. As this also means AMD can go up in prices :/
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I had to drive almost four hours to the nearest Micro Center so I could get my 9800x3d and back because of the dang bot/scalpers. Sure I spent some money on gas but it was still cheaper for me to drive basically 7 hours total and support Micro Center at the same time. I hope scalpers loose thier shirts.
Yeah I'm less than enthusiastic about getting into Blackwell and up to 600W of power draw on the 12VHPWR "standard". Sorry Nvidia you haven't exactly been building trust in this regard, neither lately nor ever.
Look at the business revenues from both companies. Intel is still double AMD in sales $. They dont only sell to gamers or the website you pull the graph from which have like 10k sales units.
Honestly DIY is such a small market for Intel / AMD no wonder Intel has now stopped carrying about it. For the next few years at least our only choice will be AMD (Gamers).
I swear, Intel is going the extra mile to sell AMD Ryzen processors more and more by the hour. Intel is now irrelevant for gaming and they know it. As for productivity, would you rather buy a 14900KS, spend $2,000 on premium cooling (EKG Delta TEC 2 Quantum Full Nickel Custom Loop Water Cooling), direct to die, delid, and tweak in the BIOS for two months? Or buy a 9950X and have to do nothing, or a 9800X3D and OC the piss out of it, for above average productivity gains that use 88% less power than the Intel 14900KS? And if you spend $2,000 on premium cooling (EKG Delta TEC 2 Quantum Full Nickel Custom Loop Water Cooling), direct to die, delid, and tweak in the BIOS for two months an AMD processor that doesn't require this, you get unmatchable performance. But if you don't do any of this, with AMD Ryzen it doesn't matter, you get zero compromises. So Intel doesn't need 3D-VCache? Then they don't need to compete effectively either, because they have no chance to compete without it.
Has it not been confirmed that the Intel architecture do not benefit from adding extra cache in gaming like any X3D CPU does. So son Intel do not has any reply to this
These comments on Intel not using 3D-V Cache....it's as if you guys have never heard of ''Different Architecture'' or ''Patents''. Also before i get a ton of replies going ''Ugghh iNteL FAnbOy!!'' I'm running a full AMD system on Linux :P
The real reason why Intel hadn't adopted 3D V-Cache yet is because, before Arrow Lake, Intel's monolithic architecture was not bottlenecked by its connection to the IO Die (which is called the "Infinity Fabric" by AMD), so it wouldn't actually have benefitted their CPUs to have the 3D V-Cache technology. But now that Intel has moved to chiplet design (which is called "Favoros" by Intel, their IO Die would be similarly bottenecked like the Ryzen CPUs. But since this is essentially their first time doing it on desktop, it's gonna take them some time to figure out how exactly they are going to implement the 3D V-Cache into their Favoros chiplet design.
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I think that maybe the GPU manufacturers (Looking at you Nvidia) need to take lessons from the latest generation of CPU's, and find ways to make them more energy efficient (and in turn heat efficient) rather than just looking for, fps go up. I think if they can reel in the power usage first, that'll be better in the long run.
AMD targetting Gamers with 3D vCache.... yeah where is my Gaming CPU intel ? who asked you to make all in one golden CPU for everything?. AMD clearly knew that, thats why they split their CPUs to 2 divisions where one is the normal X and the other is the X3D. right now there is nothing to go against the x3d, its just alone there and you are doing nothing abt it. To make it even worse for intel, you need to get a new motherboard every 2 years when AMD is out there like "oh you have a 7800x3d?, here drop in replacement 25% faster" and they have done nothing abt that as well. no guy is goona come back to intel other than like the 2% who buys a new platform every 2 years at this point even if they make a CPU as fast as the x3d from AMD.
So stupid... gamers all literally EVERYWHERE in the tech industry... including at levels that make purchasing decisions. Building a reputation for being reliable and performant with gamers will definitely help their business overall. When will Intel get it's head out of it's ass.
Tf does intel mean AMD 3d vcache only works in games? 9800x3d outperforms 9700x in everything by a big margin. Just be honest intel and tell the public you cant afford a Cache 'glue'.
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Intel: *_"3D-V Cache is good for gaming but not much for applications... So we will implement it, but only on server CPUs"_*
Sorry Intel but your reasoning confuses me 🤔
Intel CPUs are known to benefit less from cache than AMD CPUs, or at least that is the case with CPUs prior to Arrow Lake. They still benefit from it, just not as much as AMD architectures do.
The reason Arrow Lake is slower than 13-14th gen in gaming is because of the memory latency from chiplets. The reason that latency is high is because they have cores on the compute tile, but the memory controller is on the SoC tile.
In theory, more cache should help with that latency somewhat, however, based on leaks, Intel just seems to be moving back the controller on to the compute tile for the next desktop generation rather than adding 3D cache. But the generation after that should move the IMC back on to the SoC die with "countermeasures".
So based on the leaks, it just sounds that Intel isn't ready to release their extra cache variants.
Its horribly a stupid answer that makes no sense... "Not good for other applications"? Servers runs those "other applications"... So why put it into server chip!?!
This is why Intel will keep failing. Terrible choices and nobody wants intel in their servers atm anyway with all their pass issues, they need to rebuild their trust and that's trough Gamers.
LOL good catch. It'll happen eventually in one way or another
@@lycanthoss Ok, I get it why they aren't putting 3D V-cache on desktop CPUs, but why put it on server CPUs? Or they move that memory controller back in its previous place only on the desktop CPUs?
@@Hardcore_Remixer don't know why, but would assume it benefits some very specific workload on servers. The server market uses a lot of different accelerators for different tasks so that could be why.
Could also just be that they were planning this earlier and the release date just happens to be now. Afterall, CPU releases take multiple years. Alder Lake was not a "response" to Zen 3. Alder Lake was definitely being designed before Zen 3 released and probably even before Zen 2. Considering Intel's 14nm problems, it might not even be a crazy idea to think that Alder Lake was originally planned to be the successor instead of all the Skylake crap they released.
So it could be that the X3D chips caught Intel off guard and because of how long it takes to design CPUs (+ Intel might need bigger architectural changes to benefit from extra cache) they simply don't have an answer that is fully finished and ready to be shipped. Sometimes things in engineering just take time. No engineer or the company itself wants to ship an inferior product, especially when it comes at a loss to them.
At 0:59 you say Battlemage instead of Blackwell btw
battlemage is next gen intel gpu
@@GR-74-GEN-5 And he was talking about nvidia not intel
Paid off by Nvidia!!!! (Just kidding)
Keep buying those AMD CPU's! We need to get to a 50/50 market because that's when we'll have the most competition between the 2 companies and also when we'll get the best deals. Hopefully Intel keeps dropping the ball until we get there and then I hope they come out with a banger of a CPU to keep that 50/50 market going.
😂😂😂😂 dumbahhh we already have a pretty balanced market amd knows it has no competition that’s why they increased prices, and they will keep increasing it and it could become more expensive than intel
@@claimdud3104i dont see anything wrong if a better product is more expensive if its better than the competition. Regardless of brand or any other product.
The DIY CPU market makes up quite literally 2% of AMDs yearly revenue, intel is in the same boat. They make the vast majority of their money from data center and enterprise sales.
@@miyagiryota9238 yeah we should all kiss asses of corporations that make billions and give them our kidneys and other organs for one low end cpu
@@claimdud3104Not even that much more expensive and 9800x3d is £200 cheaper than Intel 285k that's like £600+ so clearly they are not over charging really and has great prices tbh
Why the hell would the not make 2 or 3 gaming focused CPUs like AMD. There's zero reason to buy Intel for gamers right now.
Hint: There's zero reason to buy Intel for productivity now either. Bottom tier power efficiency is Intel's forte, even on TSMC, Intel just cannot do power efficiency correctly. Intel needs new management, Pat Gelsinger has lost the plot.
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@@iLegionaire3755 Huh? lies, ARL still beats even M4 Max in some task, go watch the benchmarks Tech Notice did.
@@iLegionaire3755 source:- trust me bro
@@iLegionaire3755No it does not have us covered. AMD is the only one remaining in the DIY space. Price increases ahead for gamers!
Intel is looking at the CPU market the same way that Microsoft is looking at the operating system market, meaning that they are trying to throw a net to catch as many people as possible, they are looking to be the jack of all trades, but the master of none.
That intel vs amd chart is really scary ngl
The most likely reason is that Intel's just isn't going to benefit from 3D v-cache. It has been tested out sometime ago, by HUB probably that when you limit their memory cache on Intel chip, they bare lose any performance which mean it isn't the bottomneck in their architect.
This is an architectural issue, not a chace issue most likely. They will just have to go back to the drawing board and redesign their chip from the ground up to be competitive with AMD in gaming application. Simply adding more cahce is not going to help.
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Intel probably figured Arrow Lake couldn’t decisively beat an 9800X3D with additional cache while costing much more.
it would have at least tied . Intel did it FIRST (2015 i7-5775-c) then buried the tech.
The i7-5775c has nothing really in common with X3D. The i7 had on package DRAM, technologically more similar with Apple Silicon. It acted as L4, better latency than system RAM but still rather slow compared to SRAM cache.
@@LordApophis100 I had 3 of them and they stomped TF out of Skylake
They will just keep adding cores to justify the premium price and destroy everything else (ex - hyperthreading) so user benchmark can say it has more cores and does well in cinebench.
They are behind AMD and still their price is ahead. As someone who bough more than 50+ intel chips in last 20 years (for me and my family), 12700K is the last intel chip I bought. No More.
Is gaming the only metric you judge how good a chip is?
@@thetheoryguy5544 For productivity AMD still has them beat on price to performance.
@@thetheoryguy5544gaming is very much a good basis for these CPUs. It handles heavy workloads that you’d expect on other things like video editing software and photoshop. If you’re looking for server performance, get a server CPU.
@@thetheoryguy5544no there are other metrics, like
-efficiency (amd wins)
-price (amd is generally cheaper, 9950x is a bit cheaper than a 285k)
-productivity performance (amd productivity chip vs Intel productivity chip are quite tied, amd is ahead in things like Adobe Photoshop while intel is ahead in video editing)
@@lucazani2730 Also as a gamer I buy AMD CPU for 3D V-Cache and Nvidia GPU for superior DLSS + Encoder performance.
Dear Intel, please copy my homework:
- Remove useless NPU. Nobody likes AI.
- Add L4 cache wherever it fits.
Why else go for a tile based architecture?!
Intel lost me as a customer
Just buy the best product for your money.
Same.
@@Met1900 This^
You and everyone else 😂
(also I'm not a shill. I don't have any Intel cpus, but I have AMD, Intel, and Nvidia in my home. I buy the best bucket of sand for my needs and price)
But why? If you need a GPU and don't want a high end you might want to look at Battlemage. Obviously if it doesn't fit your needs then don't buy it. Or if it's over priced, don't buy it. But I gotta say I'm very happy with my A770 I paid $320 for.
And with cpu, I dunno. Just don't buy on release, wait for the beta testers first buyers and see if Intel fixes their stuff.
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Brett at 0:58 Nvidia did not have problems with Battlemage, but Blackwell :P
Woohoo Intel is now working with Nvidia on next gen ai and graphics computing /s 😂
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One big thing about AMD is that not only do you get the best Gaming CPUs, but you get a Motherboard that will allow for a greater number of Quality Upgrades compared to Intel.
Intel is mostly used for Pre Built Computers
Funfact: 9800x3d runs well in single threading app( adobe photoshop) ,check the benchmarks,9800x3d only lose to 16 cores chip
Price is ridiculous high however.
I think its okay that Intel doesn't come up with a 3D V-Cache alternative, mainly cuz their cores may not benefit from it like AMD's do. Since with AMD latency has been an issue especially with the chiplet design so adding the cache would remedy that for games. But I'm not sure if Intel's implementation can benefit from the same solutions.
And surely Intel's engineers must have tried it on their some gaming samples if they are doing it for server, maybe they just think that the improvement with the cache isn''t worth it
I have always been team blue when building a new gaming rig but last year I went the 7800X3D way (first AMD for me) and WOW! I'm now already planning a 9800X3D build and not even looking at intel...
It's like Intel has forgotten that Gamers are in IT and that if the IT folks say AMD is better because of their anecdotal experience, then the companies they work for will buy computers with AMD processors!
Also, word of mouth is still a thing: If you are not a tech savvy person, but your nerdy friend is gushing about the fall of Intel and rise of AMD, the next time you need a computer you might notice the red sticker says AMD and pick it up instead of the blue Intel one.
Funny if they use amd as well.
They also said they weren't going to do chiplets...
Back in 2015, the Intel Core i7-5775C had L4 Cache: 128 MB (shared)
this disappeared in later generations!
The forgotten generation
9:23
This is the *exact* reason why 16 core X3D chips like the 7950X3D exist. The 8 3D 'slower' cores used for gaming while the other non-3D 'faster' cores are used in other non-cache sensitive scenarios. You get the best of both world, *in the same CPU.*
Yes but with one huge caveat .. The windows 11 scheduler, its a huge pile of crap that still to this day requires you the user to workaround its failings and use AMDs own special drivers to get it working correctly via core parking thus negating the reason you bought a 16 core CPU to begin with. The scheduler still puts threads on the wrong cores because it doesnt understand vcache.
If MS ever actually fixes the scheduler it might make sense to buy a 7950 X3D but I think AMD is going to do that for them by simply getting rid of the non X3D CPUs. Not really sure why the non 3DX 9000 series CPU exist, no one wants them as they are trash hopefully they disappear for the 10k series and X3D becomes the standard.
The 9950X3D is going to be a true gaming/productivity monster due to both chiplets having vcache which means the scheduler problems will go away as it wont matter which chiplet threads are running on.
AMD solving Microsoft issues !
I love how you keep rearranging the set, please don't stop.
Intel can’t stop tripping on their own feet
Someone flipped the Intel/AMD chart from 10 years go lol.
Can't help but wonder how an Intel 285K with triple the L3 cache would perform. Part of me wonders if the reason they wouldn't do 3D vcache is because of AMD patents.
I think so too.
The only reason the haswell-e xeons still perform decent in games is their large L3 cache.
But stating that cache is a gaming thing only is nonsense and Intel knows it too, which is why they working on it for servers.
I think the CPUs would be too expensive and be more costly. I don't think the Cache 'glue' be scalable like the chiplets on AMD which can have 3d vcache on every CCD.
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For those still on AM4, watch the sales, the 5900X is coming in below $200 more often now. I made the jump to a 5900X at $190 instead of full rebuild with 9600X.
Intel had game cache FIRST (5775-c) and they killed it instead of leveraging it. It's so weird how cache adverse they are.
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If you are installing your CPU backward in your socket, I would categorize that as "USER ERROR"...
Intel's monolithic architectures don't benefit as much as Ryzen by increasing the cache size.
Though now that they are using a tile based architecture and supposedly have latency issues, they might explore that idea a little more.
@0:53
FINAL PRODUCT?
Wait... sooo... they delivered a "Final Product" To partners and customers... that isn't the "Final Product?"
The refine is actually a good chair, unlike most gaming chairs.
Even they Ryzen 5 5500 is in the top 10 best selling cpu's for 83.58 dollars. People that have b350,b450 and b550(the ones that only has pcie gen 3), are gettting the Ryzen 5 5500. It a solid chip. I even undervolted mine while keeping the same clock speed and its only pulling 37W max under 100% load. I used a negative PBO Curve of -20 on my Asrock B450M Steel Legend. I can even keep the -20 PBO and overclock it with +150 on the clock speed and get 4.4GHz while only sipping 47W max.
The RMA experience with Zotac…very frustrating
3D v-cache will come eventually, for the cost it's worth it, it'll just take a few years like it did for them to copy the "tiles" (aka chiplets) that AMD's been using for years
You know what's good for gaming? Thermal Paste
Use at least 1 gallon of it on your motherboard.
even the older Intel cpu are great at 4k gaming if you expect the 60-100 fps range and know how to fps cap to control the bottleneck, but them not adding extra cache means theyre asleep at the wheel, or worse case scenario prefer to not advance as its more profitable for the suits perhaps?
I'm going AMD for the first time in nearly 30 years. Started Intel with 586, ending it with 12900k. Upgrading to 9800X3D.
Good luck bro hope you like it 👍
AMD just de-prioritized gaming with their layoff (#layoff-Lisa) and comments to double up on AI, now Intel not focusing on gaming, is it up to NVIDIA to finally drop a gaming centric CPU and dominate the entire market?
They can't just implement 3dv cache the way AMD do because it is patented.
It has to be intels new approach on how to implement the extra cache differently. (Which is very hard to do because of temperature concerns especially for home users)
you can't just steal AMD's patents.
That SAMA case fan deal would have done me a lot of good YESTERDAY! I just bought 7 Lian Li Infinity case fans for $30 each. smh
Intel not looking to sacrifice those clock speeds for cache. They better come up with something to fix the latency.
CUDIMM.
The burnt out 9800X3D was probably installed, while the case was vertical. Causing slight shift as user switched hand while closing the socket. Per Actually Hardware Overclocking video. Always install CPUs while case is horizontal.
With 3MB L2 per core and the fact that their L3 actively prefetches vs AMD's which is just a victim cache, Intel's current chips probably wouldn't benefit as much from a massive L3.
Typical R&D problems caused by bad corporate leadership/guidance.
It seems like this season team red is just taking over the team blue in every sphere 😂
I suppose Intel has their designs already planned for the next 5-7 years so it's unreasonable to them to change something. We'll see if the next design holds up against AMD in gaming. The current Intel CPUs aren't very convincing really ... Sadly. As this also means AMD can go up in prices :/
Ah yes I need a new gaming chair, checks price
Nah fam $550 is better spent on my PC
can't speak for this chair specifically, but a few hundred bucks on a good desk chair is absolutely a worthwhile upgrade to your system that should outlast any pc component. hurts the wallet at first, but it pays off
Intel doesn't care about being good in a handful of games. Better marketing on Amazon and gamers are poor. Now with Josh with the weather.
I had to drive almost four hours to the nearest Micro Center so I could get my 9800x3d and back because of the dang bot/scalpers. Sure I spent some money on gas but it was still cheaper for me to drive basically 7 hours total and support Micro Center at the same time. I hope scalpers loose thier shirts.
I really want intel to succeed but its looking grim, I actually liked intel even though I use an AMD CPU
Literally at the dinner table and not having Brettfast™
Doesn't matter is your eating while watching hot news it always brettfast. He said so about a week ago actually
Yeah I'm less than enthusiastic about getting into Blackwell and up to 600W of power draw on the 12VHPWR "standard". Sorry Nvidia you haven't exactly been building trust in this regard, neither lately nor ever.
Look at the business revenues from both companies. Intel is still double AMD in sales $. They dont only sell to gamers or the website you pull the graph from which have like 10k sales units.
Love the Pizza John shirt
Let’s be honest their engineers probably don’t know how and I’m not an engineer so I sure as hell don’t know either
Competition promotes innovation and advancements. I hope intel get better.
Honestly DIY is such a small market for Intel / AMD no wonder Intel has now stopped carrying about it. For the next few years at least our only choice will be AMD (Gamers).
yeah they will never "glue cores together" either
Because they make CPUs for things other than gaming.
Intel battlemage will be 15% faster than RTX 4090 and costs 799$ and it will use only 220 watts.
1:00 Did... Nvidia name their lineup like Intel would?
No, nvidia is blackwell, intel is battlemage. He said the wrong name
:59 you mean blackwell.
I just upgraded to WiFi 7 from WiFi 5. I don't need to hear about 8
For 20 years "The best gaming CPUs" and now our CPUs are not for gaming xD
X3D used to have trade offs (no OC and lower clocks) its doesnt anymore --- 9800X3D
Sometimes I think the competition is paying those Intel execs to make stupid decisions...
I swear, Intel is going the extra mile to sell AMD Ryzen processors more and more by the hour. Intel is now irrelevant for gaming and they know it. As for productivity, would you rather buy a 14900KS, spend $2,000 on premium cooling (EKG Delta TEC 2 Quantum Full Nickel Custom Loop Water Cooling), direct to die, delid, and tweak in the BIOS for two months?
Or buy a 9950X and have to do nothing, or a 9800X3D and OC the piss out of it, for above average productivity gains that use 88% less power than the Intel 14900KS? And if you spend $2,000 on premium cooling (EKG Delta TEC 2 Quantum Full Nickel Custom Loop Water Cooling), direct to die, delid, and tweak in the BIOS for two months an AMD processor that doesn't require this, you get unmatchable performance. But if you don't do any of this, with AMD Ryzen it doesn't matter, you get zero compromises.
So Intel doesn't need 3D-VCache? Then they don't need to compete effectively either, because they have no chance to compete without it.
285k is better than both of them in productivity
Has it not been confirmed that the Intel architecture do not benefit from adding extra cache in gaming like any X3D CPU does. So son Intel do not has any reply to this
These comments on Intel not using 3D-V Cache....it's as if you guys have never heard of ''Different Architecture'' or ''Patents''.
Also before i get a ton of replies going ''Ugghh iNteL FAnbOy!!'' I'm running a full AMD system on Linux :P
0:57 Blackwell; Battlemage is Intel's
The real reason why Intel hadn't adopted 3D V-Cache yet is because, before Arrow Lake, Intel's monolithic architecture was not bottlenecked by its connection to the IO Die (which is called the "Infinity Fabric" by AMD), so it wouldn't actually have benefitted their CPUs to have the 3D V-Cache technology. But now that Intel has moved to chiplet design (which is called "Favoros" by Intel, their IO Die would be similarly bottenecked like the Ryzen CPUs. But since this is essentially their first time doing it on desktop, it's gonna take them some time to figure out how exactly they are going to implement the 3D V-Cache into their Favoros chiplet design.
I never hear arrow lake, i hear error lake lol
Reece without a hoodies??? is he sick?
I'm enjoying my brettfast.
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Its gona come with nova lake 2026. The gaming market is by far not as big as datacenter so they prioritize that for now.
Wifi 8?, I just upgraded to wifi 6 earlier this year
I think that maybe the GPU manufacturers (Looking at you Nvidia) need to take lessons from the latest generation of CPU's, and find ways to make them more energy efficient (and in turn heat efficient) rather than just looking for, fps go up. I think if they can reel in the power usage first, that'll be better in the long run.
Nvidia 40 series are extremelly more efficient than 30 series (apart from the 4090)
INTEL IS SO DEAD
These company do know that most normies buy their tech/PC during thanksgiving weekend right. Especially gifts for Christmas.
with how much heat intel CPUs throw out THEY CANT do 3D V cache un;less their architecture is re worked groud up
Nvidia Battlemage >>> Intel Blackwell😂
AMD targetting Gamers with 3D vCache.... yeah where is my Gaming CPU intel ? who asked you to make all in one golden CPU for everything?. AMD clearly knew that, thats why they split their CPUs to 2 divisions where one is the normal X and the other is the X3D. right now there is nothing to go against the x3d, its just alone there and you are doing nothing abt it.
To make it even worse for intel, you need to get a new motherboard every 2 years when AMD is out there like "oh you have a 7800x3d?, here drop in replacement 25% faster" and they have done nothing abt that as well. no guy is goona come back to intel other than like the 2% who buys a new platform every 2 years at this point even if they make a CPU as fast as the x3d from AMD.
Booo intel
14900 views like intel I9 14900K lol
Wow
I’m over both AMD/Intel x86/64 processors… I want Arm SoCs/APUs to take over. Windows 12 needs to be heavily Arm based!!!
Noooo
So stupid... gamers all literally EVERYWHERE in the tech industry... including at levels that make purchasing decisions. Building a reputation for being reliable and performant with gamers will definitely help their business overall. When will Intel get it's head out of it's ass.
Tf does intel mean AMD 3d vcache only works in games? 9800x3d outperforms 9700x in everything by a big margin. Just be honest intel and tell the public you cant afford a Cache 'glue'.
That's because the 9700 is power limited... It shouldn't surprise that a 105W CPU is faster in applications than a 65W CPU.
The 9700x was just a bad cpu in general, the x3d cpus carried this gen of amd CPU’s
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Thats why amd is just better