I was looking for a controller I could stash anywhere. The brick that is an XBox One or 360 controller I use and love just doesn't fit in a lot of places (tight drawers, bag, a pocket even). The 8BitDo does, and it's not a bad controller either! Sure the sticks aren't amazing, but they work fine and it's not like I'm doing MLG!
@@JeffGeerling yeah I have a couple of their NES and SNES themed one's, for the same reason and nostalgia. Would of got the SN30 Pro too, if they had Xbox layout instead of PS layout.
@@flethacker Yeah, my main thought process was that this runs a pi, so you can theoretically install any Unix OS and have complete control over the device, you can't have custom buttons on a kindle/ipad or android (maybe with a jailbreak and root) but to have total control over the backend is actually a big selling point. If your main purpose was to just run home assistant, a kindle could just have the website up permanantly.
@@Killerjerick I agree, but as a sidenote you can make some widget buttons and put it on Android homescreen - for example, Clusterr did it some years ago (ua-cam.com/video/-_zjYMXzo7g/v-deo.html on 0:30).
For an old timer that's been on the internet since the 90s, if someone told us back then you would have to uses an add blocker on a 4 core CPU operating at over a Ghz per core just to surf the web we would tell you your crazy, this is proof just how bloated the internet has become.
Can't say I disagree. I worked on a few large websites, and it was a constant battle trying to prevent marketing folks from forcing us to add in more analytics and 'personalization'/tracking tools. It got to the point where I had to make a presentation to show them how we could save 80% of the page load time just by reducing the number of trackers/systems that integrated with the site, and thus get more satisfied visitors (and better SEO ranking), but nobody bought it. They wanted that precious marketing data :(
@@JeffGeerling Yet they will suffer in the long run as people turn to adblocking. I resisted for a long long time as I understand something has to pay the bills. But when UA-cam started running ads every couple of minutes, I couldn't handle it any more. If they had only kept adverts unobtrusive and lightweight, I don't think people would resort to adblocking.
@@alexatkin I use the Brave browser for you tube and I never get ads while watching any videos, I do get them at the beginning but not every video and then I can skip ad after a few seconds. So they don't show up during. When I use chrome it's a complete nightmare.
Thank you for reviewing the CutiePi tablet Jeff, I've been looking forward to receiving my Kickstarter for quite some time. The upgrades to the CM4 module made it a much more worthwhile project indeed. I had high hopes regarding the custom interface they were building, and you've satisfied my curiosity about that. I picked up the RasPad, and while it's very satisfying, it is a bit large. That being said, Linux on the tablet has finally arrived. Ubuntu 20.10 with a couple of Gnome tweaks is a dream on the RasPad. Ubuntu Budgie 21.04 is pretty solid as well.
They should expand the heat-sink plate to 4x the current size, instead of plastic stiffener ribs they currently have. Also, there is plenty of room for that speaker behind the power switch.
Or they could use the room where the handle is anchored for better speakers. Edit: OH HW is Open Source as well. There is no way stopping us to do something anyway.
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 they can't without going through FCC certification. Alluminium backed devices are required to obtain additional certification to prove they will not burn the user's lap.
Wow, I did something like this with SailfishOS and Nemo Mobile back in 2015. Raspberry Pi 2 of course but the tablet experience was there and the multitasking aspect of a real tablet/mobile-made OS is really good. Might pick this up at some point to refresh some old memories :)
@@parkerlreed I think its going to take quite a long time to develop the UI and stuff for those to the point where they're even barely usable. Hopefully I'm just being overly pessimistic though because the idea of the pinetab sounds awesome.
Wouldn't it be great to have a tablet with a transparent screen and an e ink display behind it? Good performance when using the normal display, then switch to the ink display and the battery will last for days.
17:30 Thank you so much for actually showing that you need to press down the cm4 onto the board. For the life of me I could figure out why my board didn’t work and was about to give up.
Their keyboard impressed me the most of all-it's actually a pretty darn good implementation compared to many of the custom keyboards that are developed for Linux touchscreens. And they're rapidly improving it too!
Being able to swap the compute module is a massive YES! I would love a high end version of this where I would keep the main system for say 15 years and upgrade the compute module say every 3 years.
Thanks Jeff! Great review. I've been watching this project since before the kickstarter was launched, and am very keen to see it finally ship. I love the idea of a repairable, open-source tablet that leverages the Raspberry pi community. It is certainly difficult to compare to other consumer tablets since it is thicker, heavier, slower and buggier than other tablets at the same price point. But the fully open hardware and software ecosystem is a huge advantage that those other tablets can't match : I have a few older tablets that would still be perfectly useful today if they still had software support, but sadly they do not. One gotcha is that there are no PGIOs available, so this does't quite fill the same niche as the RasPad. I'm not sure yet if I will buy one of these, but I feel like it wouldn't take too much to sway the balance in favour of the cutiepi. If version 2 be a bit lighter while rocking a 9 inch 1920x1200 display and staying the same price, then i'd be in! I guess the main issue is that a low-volume, niche manufacturer can't compete on price with the big players. I feel like Raspberry Pi could release their own product in this space that could close that gap. In the meantime, I just might buy one of these in the new year - it would still fill some niches that my Pi4+nexdock does not, and I'm sick of buying hardware that loses software support in just a few short years.
It screams for 18650 batteries compartment right in the handle (or at the edge of device) leaving much more space for motherboard and IO ports at the same time.
this is a really cool product! I hope they succeed! I cant wait to see what they and the community do with this! Its a bit on the pricey side though imo.
Honestly with the way the past year's gone for hardware projects, getting it shipped at all will be a victory (IMO). I've seen too many projects where they just give up after a few months of delays. I'm hopeful all the backers will get their units by the end of the year!
Hope I get mine soon! Backed this back in mid-August of 2020 and feels like I've been waiting for this forever, but was able to muster up a bit more patience after they announced the upgrade to CM4 (initially was to have CM3). Heard they'll be going out November, so hoping the issues you encountered are sorted out by the time I have it in hand! :)
@@JasperJanssen I'd love to be able to get my kids used to linux. Don't have any yet, but I might adopt some, and this would also be great for teaching them some programming.
@@Darenz-cg9zg I mean, for an older child that’s getting ready to customize their stuff - maybe. But when I see “kids tablet” I think ‘UA-cam terminal with maybe a game or two”. I got my Model B secondhand from grandad when he upgraded to the A3000, which would have been when in 1989 when I was 10, and somewhere around 10-12 this would be a nice experimenter platform for many kids. “Kids tablet” for me is more the 6-8 age range where you’re lucky if they watch Let’s Play videos of programming adjacent games.
Ah, I'm so glad to see 400 and Pipad! As soon as SteamOS gets to the market we will have a huge change in program (game) development towards linux! It means that we could game on Pi5 with huge amount of non hardware demanding games! What a time to be alive!
Even if Linux gaming gets more popular, I can't see developers porting to Arm in a hurry. Though maybe Apple Silicon will make that slightly more appealing. But honestly, most games are to heavy even for Apple Silicon, I think you're being rather optimistic about what kind of GPU power the Pi5 will have.
Initial reaction: ah man, version 2 has a cm4 but I did the original kick starter so will get a CM3....actually goes and looks at kickstarter after months...Woah! V1 is now a CM4. Awesome!
Nice chunky device. :) I'd buy it, although the weight could be a problem (I have a fire hd 10 that weights that much and it's a pain to use). I'd not say "it's a raspberry pi" to justify performance though, I'd say "it's a software issue" since plenty of old dual and quad core android phones have better performance when using UA-cam due to better optimized software and drivers.
I would LOVE to work on getting a stable image made for that thing... that would be awesome! Working on that, myself. Nice coffee cup too, Jeff! I have the same one! ;-)
Many people don't realize what we can do with ports. It's a beautiful something for Raspberry Pi stuff. I wish I started earlier. I just got 2 Pico's from China and planning on putting together a 3rd RPi 3 B. I just learned a whole lot about power bank issues which turned into something interesting and useful.
A version with some gpio broken out would be brilliant for playing with hardware on the move and open up lots of other interesting use cases with sensors, or using it as an oscilloscope etc etc
It's got a ways to go for that .. Original OLPC ergo design is a tour de force of great design but sadly hobbled by an anemic processor. i have one I've been meaning to upgrade to Pi.
What a fantastic device! I've been using VNC to port into my Linux machines to do (any serious) work on my iPad when necessary, which was FINALLY possible after the IpadOS upgrade that enabled (clunky) mouse support. This is a real Linux tablet that runs my OS of choice (Ubuntu). I'm a bit amazed. Especially with the potential for continuous upgrades. This is really cool. 8gb of RAM (assuming a compute module upgrade) is really all I need for most of the software I use. Although 16gb would be ideal for 3d rendering software like Blender. This device has lots of potential as the Pi family tree grows...
When my Grandad was 65 he started running a mile a day to keep fit... He's now 70 and we have no idea where he is. I wondered why the frisbee was getting bigger... Then it hit me!
using a plastic enclosure to glorify the product in business use cases is key. if you show them the board itself, they take it for granted. if you put some plastic on it, it's like you've given them their own in-house ipad.
Don't forget use uninsulated tweezers to stab your battery, most manufacturers use a battery with much lower performance then it's capable of. If you short the top and bottom of the battery twice the voltage will come out and overclock the components. This is what they do on dev board so they run extra software faster. Just be careful if you stab too hard you can damage the screen.
Was that the new Turing Pi? Definitely excited for that project to produce a board. Jetson nanos and pis together and their own sbc coming? Can't wait.
Jeff Thank you I have been looking for this kind of device for data modes in ham radio. If you have one please test it with an 8G compute module when you get time.
I put in an 8GB CM4 Lite, and also tested an eMMC module and both worked okay. What kind of ham work do you do? I did check that RTL-SDR works, but didn't go too deep with it.
The camera seems to be the only strange/bizarre choice - the sensor is oriented so it's portrait when the display is landscape (and vice versa) so you can't fill the display with the sensor output
I wish someone would come up with a board for the CM4 to convert old IBM Thinkpad's. Those things were build like tanks and the hardware still works great. But that hardware was so limited that they can only run very ancient software. 64MB RAM, 233MHz CPU, 4GB hard drives, USB 1.0, no Wifi, no Bluetooth, etc. Plenty of room inside, especially for cooling. Easy to open up. There must be a lot of the things still around, that haven't been dumped in the landfills. Yet.
You mentioned you liked the on screen keyboard. Can you have a key layout that is qwerty with number and the all import ESC for those of us who don't mind being stuck in vim? I've always been really frustrated trying to use a shell with a on screen keyboard that takes half a dozen (or at least 3) additional taps to do a single pipe.
I really dig this thing, would be really handy around the shop with that handle/stand. I kluged together a Pi4 with an old laptop display, which required a DC/DC and an HDMI->TTL display driver from eBay, but after all that I don't even have touch and I need a keyboard (dust magnet) to go with it. I'd likely pair it to my Ikea bluetooth speaker rather than using the internal speaker.
Expansion pinouts would be great to use/test all the fantastic expansion boards outhere. I would use it with pi2aes to it into the ultimate hifi streamer. Make it and call it the Pipad expansion
It seems like the first batch is going to be shipping any day now, certainly within the next month. They said signs are good for another preorder to open up Q1 next year. I'm guessing they have enough supply of that chip... it's probably the CM4 that's giving the most fits in terms of availability.
The chipmunk bug is something present on more USB mics on Linux then just the one from this tablet, i used to use a camera with build in mic from 2007 which sometimes had this issue, which created some funny video meetings with work, especially because it sometimes also made you look purple, imagine that, joining a company meeting and being a purple chipmunk
You can add your own oleophobic coating. People make too big a deal of damaging coatings or not being able to replace them. (i.e. if you bought a cheap screen protector). Also you should be using an alphanumeric keyboard to enter your phone password, and preferably an alphanumeric password, to make it harder to scrape the password by reading the smudges on your screen (source: University of Pennsylvania, 2010, Adam J. Eviv, et al.)
Camera should be for selfies and videoconference in the big side bezel. If they can still change that. Push IP calls (the Software IP phone starts when receiving a call) with free accounts as linphone ones are growing.
a shame it doesn't have a ethernet port, could be great for people diagnosing networks or fixing stuff on their home speakers in the back are a fail, we need those at the front, sides perhaps, but one in the back no, there is space to put them inside the carrying handle stand part, is empty, two speakers there facing front looks so doable now that you mention open source, well, if cm5 uses the same connector, theoretically would be just remove cm4 and put cpu5, perhaps?
It's a good review, I think CutiePie is a really good tablet for his proposal, and also, "opensource" with a RaspberryPi community support, but, two important things: - Comparing it with ipad... is insane, why? compare it with an Android tablet and... CutiePie doesn't work with Android, but use a kernel "Linux" based tablet for that xD (remember BQ Ubuntu Touch tablet and other Ubuntu Touch devices) - Touch and screen support in other distributions are... not enough, but... you could try to develop drivers and support the project but it's not the main public people 😢 I think it's a good idea, but needs more software and support to get a really good work, I want a RaspberryPi tablet because I want to use RaspberryPi Distributions for all days of my life, not just take a RaspberryPi tablet with 2 operative systems (default and Ubuntu)
I bet you could 3D print a new back for the tablet to incorperate maybe a piece of alumnium as a heat sink that'll contact the SOC and be exposed on the other side to the air for a bit of heat dissipation. Than again I'm no pro with this stuff so it's probably a bad idea or something XD
I’d like to “piggyback” on your idea by saying that for anyone who DOESNT MIND a 50%-100% GIRTH INCREASE TO THIS, they could EASILY design EITHER: 1. An entirely new shell to incorporate the following….. 2. A “piggyback” module to incorporate the following… The added girth/thickness could EASILY enclose another 20,000+ MAH of FLAT LIPO BATTERIES - Added heat dissipation - And added WHATEVER - I’m surprised someone hasn’t already drawn options up for this. The unit looks to be about 1/2” thick as it is… maybe 3/8”…. So who would REALLY CARE if it even jumped to 1 FULL INCH…? I wouldn’t if I could expand this things abilities by 4-5X… Plus, many people PREFER a more substantial device that will remind them to handle it with the respect it deserves. I don’t have the ability to CREATE any of this, but I do have the LiPo cells and the knowledge that this can VERY EASILY be done… so I figured I’d share, hoping someone picks it up and runs with it.
How does the changing of the display orientation work? Would it work with different operating systems? Is it a plugin, is it a setting, or some python script running in the backround checking sensor hooked up to GPIO pins? I assume has an accelerometer sensor chip.
It was that way when I opened it up-this being a prototype, I'm guessing it's been through a number of cycles. There was a little wear on a few parts (worked fine but you could tell it was used a bit!).
They could probably fit a short one on here. Or even full size if they rearrange things on the board a bit. The PCIe bus is otherwise unused in their current design, mostly because it was adapted from a CM3+ design that didn't have PCIe at all!
With the built in screen and if it has a 8 gyg of memory you have a desk top pc for everyday work. Browsing the web, watching UA-cam, typing the odd email, checking ones bank account, reading a book, gaming and on the go can use it to access other computers. I like the handle a bit utilitarian but good for the kids to carry around. What more does one want?
This is really a niche machine for pi enthusiast. Price/performance doesn't really match for real life use. The price is $200/230(USD). You can get a Samsung 16GB tablet for $150-200 or an entry Chromebook for the same. Or you could get a higher performance Chromebook used from eBay for similar price.
“Not sponsored, I just like it “ is a better endorsement than any smooth segue.
I was looking for a controller I could stash anywhere. The brick that is an XBox One or 360 controller I use and love just doesn't fit in a lot of places (tight drawers, bag, a pocket even). The 8BitDo does, and it's not a bad controller either! Sure the sticks aren't amazing, but they work fine and it's not like I'm doing MLG!
@@JeffGeerling yeah I have a couple of their NES and SNES themed one's, for the same reason and nostalgia.
Would of got the SN30 Pro too, if they had Xbox layout instead of PS layout.
"This display requires a custom driver..." DAYS SINCE LINUX KERNEL COMPILED: 0
LOL!
#triggered
"Restart the Clock!"
(Not that I'm any different. I do embedded Linux for the day job...so I recompile almost every work day...)
Boy do I not need this...but boy do I want one lol
Order the cm4 now, get it in 8 months
@@nathanhamman418 That would certainly make for a good Christmas present...for 2022
I feel like this would be perfect to wall mount as a smart home tablet, have all your home assistant buttons/switches on it.
@@flethacker Yeah, my main thought process was that this runs a pi, so you can theoretically install any Unix OS and have complete control over the device, you can't have custom buttons on a kindle/ipad or android (maybe with a jailbreak and root) but to have total control over the backend is actually a big selling point.
If your main purpose was to just run home assistant, a kindle could just have the website up permanantly.
My thoughts as well!!
@@Killerjerick
I agree, but as a sidenote you can make some widget buttons and put it on Android homescreen - for example, Clusterr did it some years ago (ua-cam.com/video/-_zjYMXzo7g/v-deo.html on 0:30).
I truly appreciate the calm demeanour in these videos - we're just here to enjoy what cool people are doing with tech.
For an old timer that's been on the internet since the 90s, if someone told us back then you would have to uses an add blocker on a 4 core CPU operating at over a Ghz per core just to surf the web we would tell you your crazy, this is proof just how bloated the internet has become.
Can't say I disagree. I worked on a few large websites, and it was a constant battle trying to prevent marketing folks from forcing us to add in more analytics and 'personalization'/tracking tools. It got to the point where I had to make a presentation to show them how we could save 80% of the page load time just by reducing the number of trackers/systems that integrated with the site, and thus get more satisfied visitors (and better SEO ranking), but nobody bought it. They wanted that precious marketing data :(
@@JeffGeerling Yet they will suffer in the long run as people turn to adblocking.
I resisted for a long long time as I understand something has to pay the bills. But when UA-cam started running ads every couple of minutes, I couldn't handle it any more.
If they had only kept adverts unobtrusive and lightweight, I don't think people would resort to adblocking.
@@alexatkin I use the Brave browser for you tube and I never get ads while watching any videos, I do get them at the beginning but not every video and then I can skip ad after a few seconds. So they don't show up during. When I use chrome it's a complete nightmare.
That UI reminds me of my old Nokia N810 tablet. Those were the days. I'm happy to see something like this slowly appearing again
"Oh no I'm stuck in vim!" im dead
25:13 ;)
Getting stuck in vim cemented my decision to use emacs decades ago
Didn't notice that! LOL!
Escape :q!
sudo arch install emacs
:P
@@MrGoatflakes Escape, ZZ
It's not that hard...
Thank you for reviewing the CutiePi tablet Jeff, I've been looking forward to receiving my Kickstarter for quite some time. The upgrades to the CM4 module made it a much more worthwhile project indeed. I had high hopes regarding the custom interface they were building, and you've satisfied my curiosity about that.
I picked up the RasPad, and while it's very satisfying, it is a bit large. That being said, Linux on the tablet has finally arrived. Ubuntu 20.10 with a couple of Gnome tweaks is a dream on the RasPad. Ubuntu Budgie 21.04 is pretty solid as well.
They should expand the heat-sink plate to 4x the current size, instead of plastic stiffener ribs they currently have.
Also, there is plenty of room for that speaker behind the power switch.
You should apply for a job to work as an engineer at Raspberry Pi, you sound like you've built one of these before.
Put in a fan as well and OC as far as it can. Or just put in a SOQuartz.
Or they could use the room where the handle is anchored for better speakers.
Edit: OH HW is Open Source as well. There is no way stopping us to do something anyway.
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 OC=overclock. SOQuartz is a Pine64 product.
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 they can't without going through FCC certification. Alluminium backed devices are required to obtain additional certification to prove they will not burn the user's lap.
this kinda opened my eyes to just how much goes into making these seemingly flawless devices that we use everyday.
Wow, I did something like this with SailfishOS and Nemo Mobile back in 2015. Raspberry Pi 2 of course but the tablet experience was there and the multitasking aspect of a real tablet/mobile-made OS is really good. Might pick this up at some point to refresh some old memories :)
I wish the screen was bigger, it would be a neat PDF reader for textbooks. E ink tablets are ideal but most aren't big enough for textbooks
Pinetab soon
@@parkerlreed I think its going to take quite a long time to develop the UI and stuff for those to the point where they're even barely usable. Hopefully I'm just being overly pessimistic though because the idea of the pinetab sounds awesome.
Wouldn't it be great to have a tablet with a transparent screen and an e ink display behind it? Good performance when using the normal display, then switch to the ink display and the battery will last for days.
@@Darenz-cg9zg some smart watches have been built that way. If you were clever you could use a edge mounted LCD backlight as the e-inks front light.
wow I have same wish. A linux base, E ink and DIY tablet
17:30 Thank you so much for actually showing that you need to press down the cm4 onto the board. For the life of me I could figure out why my board didn’t work and was about to give up.
Seems like really developed custom OS 'overlay' software. Impressive the work that's gone into this!
Their keyboard impressed me the most of all-it's actually a pretty darn good implementation compared to many of the custom keyboards that are developed for Linux touchscreens. And they're rapidly improving it too!
Being able to swap the compute module is a massive YES! I would love a high end version of this where I would keep the main system for say 15 years and upgrade the compute module say every 3 years.
Thanks Jeff! Great review. I've been watching this project since before the kickstarter was launched, and am very keen to see it finally ship. I love the idea of a repairable, open-source tablet that leverages the Raspberry pi community. It is certainly difficult to compare to other consumer tablets since it is thicker, heavier, slower and buggier than other tablets at the same price point. But the fully open hardware and software ecosystem is a huge advantage that those other tablets can't match : I have a few older tablets that would still be perfectly useful today if they still had software support, but sadly they do not. One gotcha is that there are no PGIOs available, so this does't quite fill the same niche as the RasPad.
I'm not sure yet if I will buy one of these, but I feel like it wouldn't take too much to sway the balance in favour of the cutiepi. If version 2 be a bit lighter while rocking a 9 inch 1920x1200 display and staying the same price, then i'd be in! I guess the main issue is that a low-volume, niche manufacturer can't compete on price with the big players. I feel like Raspberry Pi could release their own product in this space that could close that gap. In the meantime, I just might buy one of these in the new year - it would still fill some niches that my Pi4+nexdock does not, and I'm sick of buying hardware that loses software support in just a few short years.
It screams for 18650 batteries compartment right in the handle (or at the edge of device) leaving much more space for motherboard and IO ports at the same time.
I was thinking please be open source please be open source..
Did not disappoint!
I can see startups use these as a tablet as an interface for their product, supercool!
Would have been cool if they added the 40-pin GPIO header and a M.2 pcie slot. Then it would be an ideal device for hardware debugging assistance.
this is a really cool product! I hope they succeed! I cant wait to see what they and the community do with this! Its a bit on the pricey side though imo.
Is it just me to see the handle as a perfect 18650 housing place for battery expansion
It would also add more weight to the handle in stand mode, which would make it more stable
Lenovo did the same with their Yoga Tab series. And they had great battery life.
I pre-ordered the CutiePi like a year ago. Nice to see it will actually be shipped….
Honestly with the way the past year's gone for hardware projects, getting it shipped at all will be a victory (IMO). I've seen too many projects where they just give up after a few months of delays.
I'm hopeful all the backers will get their units by the end of the year!
Hope I get mine soon!
Backed this back in mid-August of 2020 and feels like I've been waiting for this forever, but was able to muster up a bit more patience after they announced the upgrade to CM4 (initially was to have CM3). Heard they'll be going out November, so hoping the issues you encountered are sorted out by the time I have it in hand! :)
If the cost was right, this could be a great kids tablet.
Even if it cost a quarter of what it actually does, it’s still not a better kids tablet than a 50 dollar kindle fire.
@@JasperJanssen I'd love to be able to get my kids used to linux. Don't have any yet, but I might adopt some, and this would also be great for teaching them some programming.
I don't think it would serve the right purpose - running their games and shitty UA-cam videos
@@Darenz-cg9zg I mean, for an older child that’s getting ready to customize their stuff - maybe. But when I see “kids tablet” I think ‘UA-cam terminal with maybe a game or two”. I got my Model B secondhand from grandad when he upgraded to the A3000, which would have been when in 1989 when I was 10, and somewhere around 10-12 this would be a nice experimenter platform for many kids. “Kids tablet” for me is more the 6-8 age range where you’re lucky if they watch Let’s Play videos of programming adjacent games.
Ah, I'm so glad to see 400 and Pipad! As soon as SteamOS gets to the market we will have a huge change in program (game) development towards linux! It means that we could game on Pi5 with huge amount of non hardware demanding games! What a time to be alive!
Even if Linux gaming gets more popular, I can't see developers porting to Arm in a hurry. Though maybe Apple Silicon will make that slightly more appealing.
But honestly, most games are to heavy even for Apple Silicon, I think you're being rather optimistic about what kind of GPU power the Pi5 will have.
[ comes in wearing a smart watch, google glasses, and holding a blackberry ]
How do you do fellow tech geeks!
Just got the email this morning to pre-order. Estimated delivery by June. Can't wait to put it through its paces.
Jeff confirmed as a Dunkey fan. This channel just gets better and better
more stonk
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Red Shirt Jeff needs to make an all metal back plate for maximum heat dissipation! ;P
brb just going off to buy a cnc :D
@@JeffGeerling pft. Buy a good set of aviation snips, a set of files and drill with a step bit. That's all you need to make a metal backplate :P
well what CAN replace a modern high end tablet? Lets make one Jeff!
The jingpad once they fix the lag
Initial reaction: ah man, version 2 has a cm4 but I did the original kick starter so will get a CM3....actually goes and looks at kickstarter after months...Woah! V1 is now a CM4. Awesome!
I loved my Nokia N800 back in the day. Thing was like witchcraft, could Skype and surf anywhere. This kind of reminds me of that with that interface.
I like the bloopers at the end, please add more!
Nice chunky device. :)
I'd buy it, although the weight could be a problem (I have a fire hd 10 that weights that much and it's a pain to use).
I'd not say "it's a raspberry pi" to justify performance though, I'd say "it's a software issue" since plenty of old dual and quad core android phones have better performance when using UA-cam due to better optimized software and drivers.
Agreed. That performance looks no better than my Pi 2 which makes no sense as the hardware has dramatically improved.
Love your videos even though I have no idea about most of everything you mention, got me learning about raspberry pi's and arduino's again
That's how i feel when i watch Louis Rossmann
I would LOVE to work on getting a stable image made for that thing... that would be awesome! Working on that, myself.
Nice coffee cup too, Jeff! I have the same one! ;-)
Many people don't realize what we can do with ports. It's a beautiful something for Raspberry Pi stuff. I wish I started earlier. I just got 2 Pico's from China and planning on putting together a 3rd RPi 3 B. I just learned a whole lot about power bank issues which turned into something interesting and useful.
A version with some gpio broken out would be brilliant for playing with hardware on the move and open up lots of other interesting use cases with sensors, or using it as an oscilloscope etc etc
Couldn't you hook it up to a low end Pi for that?
@@howardlund7669 yeah, but that is more money and more junk (particularly cables) to carry around and Fit on a train table.
Looks pretty nice! My teeth grind a little at the camera bump, but the handle makes up for it.
Everyone's doing a camera bump these days :D
Oh hey, I've been looking for a tablet sort of thing to use as a HomeAssistant kiosk in our kitchen - this looks perfect for that!
I predict that it won't be long before devices like this will be comparable in performance to iPads right now. Probably a few years...maybe sooner.
Amazing tablet for 2012, can't wait to see what 2021 brings us
Talking facts here
The handle makes it look like a Speak'n'Spell... 🙂
"THAT IS CORRECT" -Speak 'N Spell 🤓
This seems like. a spiritual successor to the OLPC>
It's got a ways to go for that .. Original OLPC ergo design is a tour de force of great design but sadly hobbled by an anemic processor. i have one I've been meaning to upgrade to Pi.
Can't wait for the Turing pi 2
Lovely video. Time just flew by
Did you see the pics of Steve Buscemi passing out candy on Halloween dressed as his "fellow kids" character? He's sporting a gray beard though.
What a fantastic device! I've been using VNC to port into my Linux machines to do (any serious) work on my iPad when necessary, which was FINALLY possible after the IpadOS upgrade that enabled (clunky) mouse support. This is a real Linux tablet that runs my OS of choice (Ubuntu). I'm a bit amazed. Especially with the potential for continuous upgrades. This is really cool.
8gb of RAM (assuming a compute module upgrade) is really all I need for most of the software I use. Although 16gb would be ideal for 3d rendering software like Blender. This device has lots of potential as the Pi family tree grows...
I saw a TuringPi2 - HYPE
"Reading things is hard" - Jeff Geerling ...Famous last words
When I saw the handle, I thought - Wow - that is a neat hiding-spot for 18650 cylindrical cells. Fast forward to 19:45 >>DoH
Gotta leave room for future upgrades!
This remaind me the old Lenovo Yoga tablet that hide on edge 3 cells 18650.
This really has huge potential.
When my Grandad was 65 he started running a mile a day to keep fit...
He's now 70 and we have no idea where he is.
I wondered why the frisbee was getting bigger...
Then it hit me!
You look like a younger, better looking Steve Buscemi. When that clip came up I laughed so hard.
"Oh no I'm stuck in Vim again!"
This kind of easteregg (or pie? 🤔) is the main reason I keep coming back to this channel.
using a plastic enclosure to glorify the product in business use cases is key. if you show them the board itself, they take it for granted. if you put some plastic on it, it's like you've given them their own in-house ipad.
Imagine plasma mobile shell running on that thing! Jeff, you should really try that!
I really like that handle!
This is kind of everything I was hoping the Pengpad was going to be, and much more.
Don't forget use uninsulated tweezers to stab your battery, most manufacturers use a battery with much lower performance then it's capable of. If you short the top and bottom of the battery twice the voltage will come out and overclock the components. This is what they do on dev board so they run extra software faster.
Just be careful if you stab too hard you can damage the screen.
Hm. This might be the perfect little device to bounce between the 3D printer and the CNC machine.
This seems like it'd be very good for running an Octopi instance for 3d printing. Especially if the camera works with it.
Was that the new Turing Pi? Definitely excited for that project to produce a board. Jetson nanos and pis together and their own sbc coming? Can't wait.
Jeff Thank you I have been looking for this kind of device for data modes in ham radio. If you have one please test it with an 8G compute module when you get time.
I put in an 8GB CM4 Lite, and also tested an eMMC module and both worked okay. What kind of ham work do you do? I did check that RTL-SDR works, but didn't go too deep with it.
The camera seems to be the only strange/bizarre choice - the sensor is oriented so it's portrait when the display is landscape (and vice versa) so you can't fill the display with the sensor output
20:28 - what's the process of designing a custom motherboard, and how could a small company accomplish this?
Outtakes! Woohoo!
I wish someone would come up with a board for the CM4 to convert old IBM Thinkpad's. Those things were build like tanks and the hardware still works great. But that hardware was so limited that they can only run very ancient software. 64MB RAM, 233MHz CPU, 4GB hard drives, USB 1.0, no Wifi, no Bluetooth, etc. Plenty of room inside, especially for cooling. Easy to open up. There must be a lot of the things still around, that haven't been dumped in the landfills. Yet.
Love it! I can't wait to get one!
Does that handle fold flat against the back of the tablet? 'Cuz if it doesnt, it's go'nna be difficult to stick in a jacket pocket.
No, it only folds to the degree you see in the thumbnail.
I think you're supposed to clip it on a lanyard. Or just hold it on your shoulder in full ghetto blaster stylee.
You mentioned you liked the on screen keyboard. Can you have a key layout that is qwerty with number and the all import ESC for those of us who don't mind being stuck in vim? I've always been really frustrated trying to use a shell with a on screen keyboard that takes half a dozen (or at least 3) additional taps to do a single pipe.
I know they've been working on a keyboard with modifier keys at the top, I just didn't have time to install it in my testing.
Compute module 5 is going to transform devices like this I think
But I can run normal desktop apps...right?
Yes-anything that runs on Linux should run fine here, as long as there's an arm64 build!
@@JeffGeerling Well then it's already BETTER than an iPad.
@@JeffGeerling arm64? Shoot. I bet people would've loved to run widevine on this - that's one of a tablet's primary uses after all
I really dig this thing, would be really handy around the shop with that handle/stand. I kluged together a Pi4 with an old laptop display, which required a DC/DC and an HDMI->TTL display driver from eBay, but after all that I don't even have touch and I need a keyboard (dust magnet) to go with it. I'd likely pair it to my Ikea bluetooth speaker rather than using the internal speaker.
iOS keyboard actually makes it easier to type, by changing the touch target size, based on the probability you would press a specific key.
Might be great for portable network testing.
Like Nethunter for Android.
Why wasn't it called PiPad
Apple lawyers are surely waiting for this to happen with a smile on their faces.
Can't wait the next video about maybe a nas one ? Cheers from France ;)
yes, it's going to be fun!
Expansion pinouts would be great to use/test all the fantastic expansion boards outhere. I would use it with pi2aes to it into the ultimate hifi streamer. Make it and call it the Pipad expansion
This has potential for home kitchen management.
Sounds like a bigger screen would be a good start but the form factors interesting
Just having Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice go through my head when I look at this thing.
"Hey there, CutiePi"
Shipping schedule? I can’t imagine the lead time on that STM32.
It seems like the first batch is going to be shipping any day now, certainly within the next month. They said signs are good for another preorder to open up Q1 next year. I'm guessing they have enough supply of that chip... it's probably the CM4 that's giving the most fits in terms of availability.
The chipmunk bug is something present on more USB mics on Linux then just the one from this tablet, i used to use a camera with build in mic from 2007 which sometimes had this issue, which created some funny video meetings with work, especially because it sometimes also made you look purple, imagine that, joining a company meeting and being a purple chipmunk
I guess I was lucky with the couple of other mics I've used on my Linux machines then!
You can add your own oleophobic coating. People make too big a deal of damaging coatings or not being able to replace them. (i.e. if you bought a cheap screen protector).
Also you should be using an alphanumeric keyboard to enter your phone password, and preferably an alphanumeric password, to make it harder to scrape the password by reading the smudges on your screen (source: University of Pennsylvania, 2010, Adam J. Eviv, et al.)
They really ought to make an aluminum back plate an option for heat dissipation.
"..the Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 that powers it." - I guess that rules out us latecomers then 😑
It comes with one! Unfortunately like the CM4, this thing is on backorder :/
Camera should be for selfies and videoconference in the big side bezel. If they can still change that. Push IP calls (the Software IP phone starts when receiving a call) with free accounts as linphone ones are growing.
dangit, i wish i waited for this instead of going with the raspad 3
Hopefully, they can get it up to par with an iPad. It sounds pretty good.
a shame it doesn't have a ethernet port, could be great for people diagnosing networks or fixing stuff on their home
speakers in the back are a fail, we need those at the front, sides perhaps, but one in the back no, there is space to put them inside the carrying handle stand part, is empty, two speakers there facing front looks so doable
now that you mention open source, well, if cm5 uses the same connector, theoretically would be just remove cm4 and put cpu5, perhaps?
That's my hope!
It's a good review, I think CutiePie is a really good tablet for his proposal, and also, "opensource" with a RaspberryPi community support, but, two important things:
- Comparing it with ipad... is insane, why? compare it with an Android tablet and... CutiePie doesn't work with Android, but use a kernel "Linux" based tablet for that xD (remember BQ Ubuntu Touch tablet and other Ubuntu Touch devices)
- Touch and screen support in other distributions are... not enough, but... you could try to develop drivers and support the project but it's not the main public people 😢
I think it's a good idea, but needs more software and support to get a really good work, I want a RaspberryPi tablet because I want to use RaspberryPi Distributions for all days of my life, not just take a RaspberryPi tablet with 2 operative systems (default and Ubuntu)
I bet you could 3D print a new back for the tablet to incorperate maybe a piece of alumnium as a heat sink that'll contact the SOC and be exposed on the other side to the air for a bit of heat dissipation. Than again I'm no pro with this stuff so it's probably a bad idea or something XD
I’d like to “piggyback” on your idea by saying that for anyone who DOESNT MIND a 50%-100% GIRTH INCREASE TO THIS, they could EASILY design EITHER:
1. An entirely new shell to incorporate the following…..
2. A “piggyback” module to incorporate the following…
The added girth/thickness could EASILY enclose another 20,000+ MAH of FLAT LIPO BATTERIES - Added heat dissipation - And added WHATEVER - I’m surprised someone hasn’t already drawn options up for this.
The unit looks to be about 1/2” thick as it is… maybe 3/8”…. So who would REALLY CARE if it even jumped to 1 FULL INCH…? I wouldn’t if I could expand this things abilities by 4-5X…
Plus, many people PREFER a more substantial device that will remind them to handle it with the respect it deserves.
I don’t have the ability to CREATE any of this, but I do have the LiPo cells and the knowledge that this can VERY EASILY be done… so I figured I’d share, hoping someone picks it up and runs with it.
@@flojotube Man, that would be a thicc boy lol.
How does the changing of the display orientation work? Would it work with different operating systems? Is it a plugin, is it a setting, or some python script running in the backround checking sensor hooked up to GPIO pins? I assume has an accelerometer sensor chip.
Jeff Jeff Jeff :) use this pick right :) I can't wait :) - Regards from Poland
Was it you that mashed that screw or the people that assembled it?
It was that way when I opened it up-this being a prototype, I'm guessing it's been through a number of cycles. There was a little wear on a few parts (worked fine but you could tell it was used a bit!).
An m.2 port for SSD would have been REALLLY nice and I might have replaced my OctoPrint pi with this.
They could probably fit a short one on here. Or even full size if they rearrange things on the board a bit. The PCIe bus is otherwise unused in their current design, mostly because it was adapted from a CM3+ design that didn't have PCIe at all!
With the built in screen and if it has a 8 gyg of memory you have a desk top pc for everyday work. Browsing the web, watching UA-cam, typing the odd email, checking ones bank account, reading a book, gaming and on the go can use it to access other computers. I like the handle a bit utilitarian but good for the kids to carry around. What more does one want?
Depends on your definition of gaming but for simple tasks this seems pretty usable.
@@oliverer3 This is not a proper gaming machine as such but you can still be amused with the games it does play.
This is really a niche machine for pi enthusiast. Price/performance doesn't really match for real life use. The price is $200/230(USD). You can get a Samsung 16GB tablet for $150-200 or an entry Chromebook for the same. Or you could get a higher performance Chromebook used from eBay for similar price.