I played the F-4S, so you don't have to | F-4S Phantom | War Thunder
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The irony of the gunpod on navy phantoms is that you wish you had the gunpod whenever you didnt bring it but you never would have gotten into that firing position to use it had you actually taken it
Same as the German SPS-K except you have to decide between gun and CMs, either you have a gunpod and die to missiles or you live to get into gun range and be unable to kill anything
From a lad that does super well in phantoms here's my 2 cents: sit on the deck, fly to the left most bomb point, if you see a dude far to the right, don't go for him, swing around the line of enemy bomb points, what that does is all other aircraft will see you and make a line right for you because you're gonna be one of the first ones out there because of the phantom's relatively good 0 to Mach 1 acceleration, meanwhile you're ignoring them (sorta). Here you have 2 options, option A, as soon as you pass the enemy bomb points head right for the planes zooming right for you, take them out with your 7fs. The other option (in the case that it's literally the ENTIRE enemy team coming for you) wait for your team to catch up a little bit, then fly 5 meters or so from tree-tops or ground. Shoot your 7fs, get somewhere between 2-5 kills each game. Sometimes you'll die if your team folds, but in any jet once your team is gone you're gone. (Usually)
Edit: if you do this strategy take a gun, often people will defeat your Sarh by slamming it into the ground. So it's good to be able to have something else in the headon.
@@perennialE sure.
This deserves a Medal of Honor award 🫡 I will phantom like I’ve never phantomed before
@@TURQOlSE good
Thats basically the only way to play. And dont let people call you selfish for going for bases in something like the f4e. There is fuck all you can do generally
Basically what a phantom can do and will do most games really. EJ kai player here lol
I don't know how I feel about this plane... in one hand if I buy it I'll surely be happy to grind with it but on the other one it's an extra 70 dollar premium to push lvl 10's to toptier and create some annoying situations for sure.
In any cas, great contet as usual Perennial, keep it up!
I would've bought it if it wasn't for the fact that sooner rather than later there will be a new, better premium. I have no idea what plane will that be, but it's just a matter of time. Gotta save some cash
@@unocualqu1era lmao, premium mig 29 and f16 next year. might as well wait
@@nikikiooo That's more or less my plan yeah. Hopefully Iranian F-14D. I know it sounds crazy to wait for a year but if I bought every premium that seems nice I'd be broke, not to mention I already have 4 different tech trees to grind, so it's not like I'll get bored in the meantime.
I used to buy premiums more often and honestly most of them weren't worth it after a while. Br changes and power creep are a bitch.
Also keep in mind I see premiums as "fun" vehicles more than grind vehicles. If it's for grinding then yeah go for the F-4S right now and you'll finish grinding much earlier than a year, but it's probably not going to be very fun at that BR and I hate grinding.
@unocualqu1era Iran flies the F14A not the D. We might get the F14D later on with the improved engines and weapons in the US tree. Hopefully
@@InterstellarTaco Oh, my mistake. Hopefully we get it, it's one of the most fun aircraft I can think of, and as long as you know what you're doing it's not going to get powercreeped unless it faces F-22's or something crazy like that.
The difference between the AIM-9 H and AIM-9 J is that the H has a higher tracking rate (double to be precise) wich means it does update the position of the heatsignature twice as often.
6:15, the missile is so unstable lol, the range should be much higher if gaijin didn't botch the guidance code.
its because it was a bad lock
F4s gets radar sights on the gun pod. Its well worth taking. I play the F4J a lot. Even over the F-14 and F-16. I also have the bugged 10 missile loadout on the J which helps with that decision. In my mind nothing tops the F4J with the bugged 6 Aim7F + 4 Aim9 loadout + the gun pod. Its hard not to get 2+ kills a game with all that. The F4s however is worth taking over the J even with the bugged loadout. The extra maneuverability is insane. I dont know where you guys get the notion that F4's cant dogfight....they can and do. Just not in a direct 1 circle turn fight like you want to do. If you use speed to pull vertical you can hang with anyone. The extra turning on the F-4s still catches a lot of migs off guard in the 1 circle fight, that + the addition of the radar gun sight makes dogfighting at high speeds easy as pie.
The F-4s is probably the best jet in the US tree at the moment. Its 11.3. The down tiers are an absolute seal club fest. The up tiers you can hold your own. You dont have all aspect IR missiles, but the Aim7f + good radar make up for that. Its a 10k flat repair cost. It has the highest premium research bonus for grinding, while its silver bonus is great too. The F-16/F-14 are great, dont get me wrong. The F-14 is the best jet the US has by a large margin, but when you take into account, tiering, repair costs, fun ratio....the F-4s is the jet to get. I used to say this award went to the F-5C and honestly it might be tied with the F-4s in that regard, but its a lot more unforgiving with its low ammo and Aim9E loadout. A blast to fly though. If you want to spend 70 bucks or have some gaj bucks to spare its worth getting.
1:58 is definitely an owie moment.
The extra aoa is quite massive, it can pull 11-12g whereas of phantoms can only pull 10, also the extra manoeuvrability at low speeds is huge as well
There are two ways to play the F-4's effectively. One is to be a gremlin flying low and trying to flank to the rear of the enemy formation. Though this comes with the risk of accidentally finding yourself in the furball. The other is to climb high and snipe since you do have a good radar and very long range missiles. Great for clearing high altitude in support of your team. Comes with the added benefit of being able to orbital strike targets from above if you win the BVR fight. However, this comes with the risk of being focused and swarmed if you're the only person who bothered to climb (wish more people knew it's viable and not just assured death) and there are multiple opponents who climbed. Although, if you notice this, you can defend into your teammates, cashing in a little altitude for speed and agility before attempting to recommit.
@random13478 Well... Ok... Every phantom with PD. Should have specified that
Holy shit Nile Red is playing war thunder
F-4S should've been in the tech-tree and the F-4J the pack premium placed at BR 10.7, but this is Gaijoob so everything is ass backwards to them.
I've actually had a surprising amount of dogfights this patch. Destroying 3 F4Ss with my Mig29 (BC they tried turnfigtinh me lol) was a ton of fun.
That's because top tier is full of new players trying to grind the new planes with premiums. In a week or so we'll be back to our regularly programmed missile jousting
AIM-9H and G launched in the same year according to some website, the solid state means it's basically using semiconductors to replacing the vacuum tube used on the earlier models. Other than that these two models are basically identical. In WT, according to game files, H has better flare resistance, everything else is the same.
Thank you for making this video!
Well can't wait to see thousands of missles heading to my f5c.
Newsflash: The F4S buyers are still dogwater XD
The thousands of missiles dont hit me because I get into gun range of the wallet warriors
Keep going dude ❤️
from somebody who has the f-4j, it's pretty good, the hmd gives you a little bit more leniency when dogfighting but a wet brick is still a brick, but against any competent opponent in anything else that's not really like a tornado they will stomp you
I bought this cause I have less and less time to play WT and immediately I am getting 1 to 2 kills and sometimes bombing a base. Average of 10,000 rp per game. I bring 4 9H and 4 7F with the 6 750 lb and 12 250 lb bombs which is just enough for one base so that it doesn’t affect my maneuverability that much.
I feel you bro. I'm in the same situation. I recently got a job with a 12 hour shift. I only have time to shower and eat.
5,000lbs of bombs gets 1 base in air rb, use 4 radar missiles and then enough to get 2 bases. I only have a6e tram but my f4j which is the same can carry 24 500lbs you can always drop 4 bombs for extra speed and drop 10 on each base. You should get 20-35krp for 2 bases and 1 air kill
Have this "L"
Generally with the F4-S, I stay in pulse unless I get notched or see somebody flying away from me, the PD mode ignores chaff and ground clutter, but can only be used against targets that have a high relative speed, and combined with a medium range AIM-7F launch it's unstoppable
At first I thought it sucked, then I fixed the skill issue and got 4 kills in an uptier (F-15, Mig23ML, and two F4S’s. The last one was named “Sloppenheimer” 😂)
The F4S almost like the F4J just bring more radar AIM-7F missile. If you already have the F4J save the money.
Pro tip, take the gun cannon modifaction off. Let it shoot wider burst instead of a small stream, its great for snap shots.
I recommend it (when it is at 50% discount), aim7 and 9 missiles are really good, same goes for the radar it has and the overall engine performance.
Most matches I get 1 to 3 kills, 50sl to 100k sl (with premium), 5k to 15k exp (premium of course) and its a really enjoyable plane to flight.
My favorite plane to fly for the last 3 months ❤
Thank you for talking about it not having agile eagle.
Hate the repetition.
Agile sea gull
I feel this phantom is the 2nd slowest out of all the phantoms in the game.
6:09 you say the f-4j is free, I say time is money
I was wondering if i buy a top tier Russian jet as i have biplanes for Russia cuz im a us main, if i play realistic battles could i use that top tier to research all the planes up towards that so I don’t have to play the biplanes and prop planes and i could just use that one top tier to unlock and research up from the bottom of the tiers and up??
tysm! im rn 3.3 in american tech tree and its going to be fun as i get to like 10.0 in 6days xD
first also whats your oppinion on the J-8 and J-7 performance with 12.0 existing now?
@@perennialE amazing
under rated guy
good luck on your moving
I had one of these catch me while going vertical in an F16, still no idea how that happened
AIM-7 vs AIM-9? Both seem decent but not sure. Im still new to jets and might grab this to grind. Thought about the F5-C cause it has onboard guns but I like the idea of breaking the sound barrier and having large selection of boom and zoomers, also already have the M1A1 AIM so not a bad idea
@@perennialE awesome, thank you very much! I have been testing them but wasn’t sure of the differences
A-6 also very good for grinding cause ur given aim-9L's in a 10.0 br in exchange for being a slow target
i fly the f5c and i learned early on that chaff is almost an nesesity
Totally unrelated to the plane itself, but what on earth is that camouflage? I thought the late 70s-early 80s US Navy camo was a uniform light gray, like we have on the F-14A for example
bought it awhile ago lol its a fun aircraft
Is it just me or does the game run and feel way smoother and overall just better? feels like things have changed this update
Okay buying it thank you
Perhaps you could do a vid on the fastest aircraft in the game?
I grinded the US tree in around 200 hours with this thing carrying 12 mk. 82 bombs, 5 AIM-7Fs, and 2 AIM-9Hs and was able to get from 5k-30k rp per game
Really dumb question, how do you get the radar like that? I have the top down radar by default but I didn’t know there was a forward facing radar on this, can I get some help on how to select that?
EDIT, question answered in discord, there is an option in settings called “use rectangular radar indicator”
ah finally found an f-4s vid
For the purpose of medium range bomber, it's worth it. For CAS or air superiority fighter, there's better options.
OMFG NILE RED
After the update, the F-4EJ Kai's radar keeps losing lock very easily. Have you noticed radars acting weird on other planes?
Ohh I think there's something changed about radar cross-section RCS. Supposedly, smaller jets chaff better and gets detected/locked at shorter distances now.
So pulse doppler for head-ons/early game. If you're still kicking after that head into regular search mode until you run out of Sparrows is what I'm hearing?
@@perennialE thanks!
Wait does it have the agile eagle package? You mentioned slats. Anyway i know the Yak 141 is kinda the big buzz with this update but could we have a video of the new tornado once you get it? Its the air to air version and no one else is making a video about it yet so
womp womp
in the 5 bad games I played in the new tornado I can tell you this, it rips a lot more (in my limited experience) than the other tornadoes do
@@perennialE The F-4S isn't "niche" it's just less interesting.
@@perennialE Thanks for the definition. It's a plane that's uninteresting as there are already a million Phantoms in the game. I think you're just not doing a video on the Yak-141 because you think it'll give you more views or perhaps differentiate you from the crowd. That's not actually the case though, because nobody cares about the F-4S. So, I'll say it again; it's not niche, it's uninteresting. Thanks!
@@perennialE Yay thanks
@@perennialE Imagine how much better it would be if you covered something interesting.
you should give the mirage f1c i gander since its been changed.
Will it be on discount this summer?
I sure hope Gaijin paid the creators who made the preorder skins for F-4S and MiG-23ML an extra royalty
Well, if I’ll buy it for G-coins (I’ve got them for A-7K) and my lvl is 65, but I’ve never played top tier aviation, should I buy it?
I just wanted a phantom, I don't have time to grind any more and I mostly play on custom servers with respawns any way.
im level 26 right now with the f80 unlocked and bought which premuim jet would u get to grind out the rest of the US tech tree with got some 5.0 prop planes left before fully unlocking the rest of the jets
@@perennialE I thought about the F5C to help me grind out the rest of the prop planes and the jets
F4s should be a tech tree plane in the first place.
now play the kurnass 2000, or else!
I feel so evil for getting this for my birthday
For some reason my Aim9H won't lock until I'm like less than 2 miles away from the target. Is there a fix for this??
bro what i run into 10.0 A10s running chaff for whatever ungodly reason
Thanks so much man, getting this and pretty excited. Free sub and like, so keep on truckin.
Did I miss a memo? Is the 4S replacing the A6?
That price for a mostly copy paste plane with zero system depth. Bloody hell i'll wait for the DCS F-4.
i have question, how to control radar with mouse 4:14
Does anyone know why the IS-6 and now the F4S is just coming soon on ps4? I get a little while but the IS-6 has said that forever and I really want to be able to grind America with the F4S
The One Piece ejection seat
you should just buy a module in DCS for that amount, or wait half a year and get the phantom in DCS
When is the f4s coming to console ?
can i grind with this from rank 3 to f-16 ???
So the pull up game for this phantom is strong..😂😂😂😂😂😂
Personally from me( as a phantom lover) i wouldnt recommend this, as it is quite expensive , not fun and its not easy to drop bombs in top tier . I would still recommend the a6e as it is a way better grinder
nah, I love the f4e but have to use F5C to grind but I hate it plus the f4e costs 15k to repair, the f4s would be the perfect one for me
What about the new Israeli Phantom
Joob literally posts 3 mins videos weekly, not great. But at the moment you are the only war thunder channel I’m going to watch
How do you turn on the hmd mode???
6:57, even if u have it it just ignores it xd
as someone thats new in top tier can I possibly see your keybinds? You seem to be doing all of this effortlessly
It’s just missiles, radar lock, and elevator. You gotta find what your comfortable with
@@johnathanben2163 thank you. Just trying to figure out the swapping radar thing
Could you do another bomber vid plz
How can i get that hmd??? Pls do tutorial
Am I the only one who thinks that the prices of WT premiums is getting insane? Like that's in a similar price bracket to what the F4E in DCS is going to be, which is going to be a study-level simulator. Now, it's really good pricing for a study level sim for sure so it isn't entirely a fair comparison. But still, that's like a AAA game by most metrics and if you look at the content that it gets you- a slight variation on something that's avaliable for "free", it's a bit hard to justify.
Looking at it completely divorced from the tech tree (as grinding to a rough equivalent jet does need a huge time investment) and more as a stand alone product, you do get an aircraft that can use a variety of weapon systems and has a reasonably well modelled, if very simplified, radar which is pretty cool. The model is nice but I can't help thinking that even in sim it doesn't feel hugely immersive. Then there's what you do with it- the obvious point is to air RB, but given the way matches are set up to encourage maximum action and somewhat complicated mouse and keyboard controls a new player is going to struggle, a lot. To the point where it would almost certainly put them off the game. EC and custom missions are a possibility, but they're also pretty clunky. So by itself other than mindlessly grinding the same kind of mission over and over there isn't much to engage with. Enough content to justify the price bracket? No, probably not.
I'd justify maybe $30 for the aircraft as-is, for the complexity and depth of content that's avaliable for it, if I was being generous. The massive markup is obviously because it's to help you skip the grind of other high ranking US aircraft and I'm more and more really falling out of favour with that business model in general so maybe I'm being too harsh, but these kinds of prices combined with the grind feels predatory.
Recomend and is a machine lions and exp perfecto for grind usa
Get the israelic Kurnas 2000 and you really have the actual best F-4S for free! With 6 Aim 9 ls and so on. It's insane!
How do you get it Im going crazy
Lmao I could buy a full fidelity module in DCS for less than that 😂
How many pixels you get for $70?
I am on console. I have f4s, but I don't know how to set all the buttons for the radar and don't know what all of the radar things are, I have played the f4s for the last 5 months, and struggled a bit. Please help me
Would it be worth buying on a sale?
if you are going to bomb i would say so, i get 10k to 25k rp only bombing if we win or losse and if i get +15min in battle, otherwise, this video is 4months old and it got nerfed in dogfigths, radar is not what it was
You should rank squadron vehicles
sufferbus
Someone went to Omni surf school
The S in F4S stands for Skill Issue
To note this is the second best phantom in game. Better radar then the F-4J better missiles, better acceleration, better turn rate, better energy retention and better rwr. Idk its not a copy paste F-4J tbh.
And its annoying that the second best phantom is a premium
Yay!!!!
I just bought the f4j and I'm level 7. Honestly I don't know why people say I shouldn't have. I've been doing good with it
Also in my oppinion it would be cool if in your next review vids you also just gave like a 20 second review of the cockpit. Because the F-4S has a rly cool looking cockpit
@@fuzzymuffin8273 nigga shut the fuck up lmfao
@@fuzzymuffin8273 what is bro talking about
Ngl, might just me a stupid skill issue with f5c but I’ve had a bunch more better dogfights with the f4j somehow when I wasn’t immediately killed, and mainly because the f5 feels so underpowered for me
That is very much a skill issue
if it goes on discount ill buy it
How do you watch the missile fly
@@perennialE thank you
you have to go to "controls" then "camera control" then you have "tracking camera: bomb/torpedo" and you have to insert your key for it
OK, i don't know if it's beacause i'm not an hardcore gamer of war thunder and pretty new to top tier plane (3 months) but this thing should not be 11.0 br imo its legit 12.0, i hope WT will make him ATLEAST 11.3/7
Got teamkilled on my first game using it (:
This thing is my greatest enemy in a mig 23ml. And a better plane Since it has a radar that fucking works.
How tf does a phantom in war thunder cost the same as a whole dcs module, of which we will have an f4 soon, a full fidelity f4 will cost the same as a war thunder premium ☠️