Very creative! I love how you actually thought out the move-set for both Ganondorf variations unlike Nintendo who pretty much just cloned him again. Can't wait to get my hands on this!
Hey everyone, thanks for all the comments and feedback! Make sure you guys keep an eye on my blog in the description, I'll keep everyone updated with everything as much as possible. I know there are a lot of questions and concerns, so I will try and answer as much as possible on there for everyone to see!
+TheBronzegreekgod Very well designed couple of modifications for Ganondorf. Though, if I might make a suggestion, with the sword variant, it might actually work better if you make the sweet-spot of his attacks at the middle of his blade. Not only to give him some variety from Marth's bit with a sword, but because a sword designed like the one from Twilight Princess would actually do the most damage from the middle section. This is due to the wider blade having its center of mass near the middle or base.
I'd love there to be OP characters like this. Not be played as (Except maybe in a special mode), but to fight as bosses in the game. I'd prefer the same boss style I got from Metal Mario in Smash 64 than for every boss to have HP like they did in Brawl.
+Nintendawg65 In Project M, you can play as Wario Man or Giga Bowser by holding L/R when you select them. Both are effectively boss characters. Perhaps something like this could be added for the 'Dorf.
+Grample Gust Ganondorf was one of the last characters added into Melee. He nearly didn't make it in. They threw Falcon's moveset on him at the last minute and tweaked it a bit so it wouldn't be an EXACT copy. We're honestly lucky to have him in Melee at all. The reason why he hasn't been changed in Brawl or Smash 4 is unknown though. They've had plenty of time to rework the character, and everyone knows they have the creative talent and funding to make something similar to what this video showed off. I think it's because they didn't want to "alienate the Melee Ganon fans" by making him radically different. (Which is completely lame, but is really the only logical explanation.)
+Sheecacaa3 It is the reason you gave. While I don't play him, I do have many friends who do and they love the moveset he has right now so what you said rings true in their cases. To be fair, it has been changed a lot ever since the Melee days while still remaining a semiclone.
+Sheecacaa3 If they're afraid of pissing off the Ganon-clone fans, they should just add Black Shadow from F-Zero to the roster and put that old moveset on him. It'd be perfect.
What? Ganons transition from melee to brawl was one of the worst nerfs in the smash series. They didn't keep him as meh falcondorf, they just made him fatter, slower, "oldmanondorf" what literally no one wanted. His iteration in brawl in completely unforgivable, and his smash 4 self could have been LEAGUES better and his chance to finally declone . ( it was better though to be fair)
You know its amazng how you could get Gannondorf from Twilight princess and Ocarina of time and they will be two completely different characters. Hell i bet we can push in Gannondorf from Wind Waker and he will still be different. Good job sir.
+Krauser Cruz But, they could do like P.M.'s development team and make almost every Ganondorf skin have a different moveset (hence Mario's Dr. Mario skin having different stuff, but he's still kinda a clone regardless of Melee).
+GumptheGreat Having Ganondorf as my 2nd main, I'm quite fine with having Ganon as a clone of Falcon. However, this doesn't mean i don't agree with you. I never truly understood how Sakurai's mindset works. He makes a lot of good decisions but he makes an equal amount of bad decisions as well. Now as for the PSA, You're god damn right I'm downloading this when i get the chance.
I was waiting for someone like Erik to come here and take everything the wrong way just to start drama. Lmao fuck outta here we respect Sakurai but he isn't perfect. Stop crying and get off his nuts, his Ganondorf is lacking.
+Erik Shaw he made the game for casuals you moron. Sakurai said over & over he wont ever make a game that takes as much skill as melee again. So no he DIDNT make brawl & sm4sh for s. Stop being a fucking dumbass. He made brawl & sm4sh for the casual fans who dont even care about high level smash lol.
Man, if the knockback and damages were toned down a bit, this could be actually used in noncasual play. For example, the OHKO thing on sword is pretty flipping dumb and that magnetic grab is pretty off. Idk, I have a feeling this is mainly a mod for the cool factor and not for "making sort of a new character for actual play," but if this were tweaked for such play that'd be sick.
+The Shiny Volcarona Well good luck getting that OHKO. Its on the move and you have to time pressing "a" perfectly or it wont work. Roy and Ike have OHKO's too.
+TheBronzegreekgod fair enough, but mage ganon looks kinda ridiculous. That grab alone...I really hope it does low damage because if not that'd be insanely overpowered.
+The Shiny Volcarona I got the same impression as well. It looks really, really fucking good, but the Phantom Ganon looks a little too much. I have never played PM but this looks like it was designed to have literally every option, better aerial mobility then peach as well as ridiculous range, a projectile and a strong looking spike. (or maybe a meteor, assuming you can cancel those in PM) Also are those recycled animations from other characters? Cause that's really cool if that's how you put that together.
Kealmir Recycled like how they recycled Ganondorf in Melee by putting extremly similar movesets to Cpt. Falcon's and animations that are extremly similar to him, too?
The fact that hackers and modders could give Ganon a better moveset than Sakurai did just proves that Sakurai just didn't want to do Ganon the proper justice he deserves
+Eric Nobles Its a pretty hard to hit with gimmick that won't really be used much. I doubt it should straight up be removed. We already have near straight OHKO's with jigglypuff and whatnot.
You can survive a rest and or block it, on top of that despite how ppl make it look its not that easy to land and you can be severely punished for whiffing it. I think this way easier to pull off seeing how you can charge and run around with it and it looks like it can send shields to the shadow realm if you dare block it. Feels kinda like little Macs KO punch which is dumb as fuck
Yeah, you've got some good points. If you install a mod that makes ganon broken as all hell though, you are probably playing pretty casually and don't care that the OHKO is in there anyway.
+Eric Nobles absolutely no characters in any smash has damage balance based on frame attack speed. The ganon's shown are pretty o.p. though and the changes you mentioned wouldn't hurt~
+KIKO JAIMES It looks like it's gonna need a little nerfing before it's ready for a main release for Project M, which is incredibly focused on the balance of the game. Just a little bit. The Neutral B with Swordorf's hitstun ability is a really cool concept but the kill confirm seems a little easy if you ask me.
+KIKO JAIMES Actually, there was poll in SmashBoards to add new characters, and the idea of a revamped Ganondorf (with Black Shadow to take on Falcondorf's moveset) was 3rd most voted, just behind Isaac and Ridley.
Now I want to see *Young Link's move set corrected. Instead of making *Young Link a clone of Adult Link, they should have drawn influence from Majora's Mask. Child Link should have been able to use his masks as transformations, much like Shiek/Zelda.
+hysuka2 It's fine, but I like YL. more than T.L. and I agree with you, but Y.L is not exactly a clone of Link (Adult Link), he's more gile, has sweetspots on his D-Air just like Roy, can wall-jump and a few other things.
+hysuka2 It would be cool If Young Link had a moveset with Bombchus, his Slingshot, Deku Nuts, Deku Sticks, but maybe keep the same aerials as Adult Link,
Reese Labbe Another horrible decision was to not give Ganondorf his own moveset when he was making Brawl. Dorf had Falcon's moveset in Melee because he was a last minute add, but they had no excuse not to update him for Brawl or 4.
AstralMuffin105 He already had an established move set, I don't remember any other character in smash having a move set overhaul. It's not a stupid decision to take into account those used to his melee move set.
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That moment when you are an huge zelda fan, but also a smash addict, and watching captain ganondorf play like actual Ganondorf doesn't feel right... Don't get me wrong, this is still a goddamn dank/10 , and I love you for making this.
Hey Ganon fans! I'm trying to make some noise about de-cloning ganondorf in smash ultimate. I'm making the case that it would be nice if for dlc, ganon could get an alternate moveset that can be toggled in the character select screen! If everyone that supports this can make some noise on social media, that would be great! Ive started a hashtag on twitter #DecloneGanondorf. Here's my twitter if anyone wants to join in, and read and share anything ive posted. twitter.com/BronzeGreekGod Let me know if anyone has any other ideas about how to get our voices heard!
As much as I love the focus on magic and his sword, I don't think he should focus on tippers as much even if they're just made for finishing.. Unless they're actually really, REALLY hard to hit consistently. Even then, if people get his non-tips down to the point where they don't really need them to kill, it would just feel like an unnecessary bonus. Not hatin', just being a critic.
+OhLook ItsLuca (Luca) We'll have to see how it goes when people start playing. Balancing isn't an easy job for one guy to do! I mean I have had help and advice here and there, but that isn't enough. Competitive people need to do some serious testing to find what's OP or under powered if anything. What you see here is the main meat and potatoes of these two characters, but lots of tweaking will have to take place to make sure everything is balanced. Unless by some fluke I got it perfect on the first shot :P
+TheBronzegreekgod well, when you do get it released, be sure to make this variant in a seperate slot or as a "hold R with Ganon" thing. I would like to try it but I don't wanna give up P:M Ganny to do it lol Also, and you probably already thought ahead with this, but I hope there's a height limit to Magic Ganon's float has some sort of limitation on height or can only be used when there's ground under him, otherwise people might float to the top or top corners of the screen and spam taunt to refresh the time. And I really don't think he should be having a boot that spikes, his angled ftilt is already amazing at punishing imperfect sweetspotted recoveries, he probably doesn't need it taking a stock but I'd have to see what else he's got to be sure.
+OhLook ItsLuca (Luca) I have to agree. Using the tip feels a bit to Marth-like. Maybe have Ganon's sword be more like Roy's? Ganon's swordplay should probably feel more like charging in at your opponent, not spacing them out.
I'm alright with tips if they're really hard to get consistently (like say the closer you hit to the tip but not exactly the tip, the flubbier the attack is), but maybe consider it being more strong at the base, but nothing crazy considering the size of the sword. I also liked how dtilt/ftilt pulled people in at the tip as well. And remembering the sideb now, if you're gonna allow people to turn around with that, I'd suggest it having half the power since you're trading it for correcting yourself. Although, as I say this, I could be entirely wrong because it's not like I've tested it personally, and I'm remembering that Ganon doesn't really have much ways to approach unlike Ike's sideb and Roy and Marth's ground speed, so 'til then - He'd make fart noises -
+OhLook ItsLuca (Luca) The tipper focus makes sense if you compare Ganon to his Brawler form. Why switch his sweetspot from the tip to the base? Because it feels too much like Marth? Wouldn't having the Sweetspot in the base be "too much like Roy" then? that argument is out the window now. You gotta remember that Ganondorf doesn't swing as fast as Marth to be rewarded as easily for his tippers so he feels a little closer to Ike without his Quick draw mobility and for that reason alone i can't see him doing as well as neither Ike or Marth. Now, back to my point: Brawler Ganon has short-mid range attacks. Giving Sword Ganon sweetspots at the base of his sword would make him a short-mid range oriented fighter with slightly more (albeit weak) range. That sounds pretty boring from a design perspective.
I have been rewatching this video so many times, as someone that really wants to main Ganondorf (because it's Ganondorf cmon) this video makes me warm on the inside!
This shows how much more Ganondorf could be than a simple clone character, I was really hoping they'd remake Ganon for Smash bros 4, and was disappointed they left him as a Falcon clone.
Holy shit Ganondorf is so badass now. I have a feeling that in Smash 5 you would be able to choose between Ganondorf's classic moveset or the one with a sword.
+Frost Wolfe Smash 5...? Sakurai said that Smash 4 is the last in the series, but it will get updated from time to time, so there's no sense in making another Smash 5. unless... Smash 5 could be something different, maybe more centered into the competitive scene... But we'll still have Smash 4 for now.
+|FCT| Andrusto100 Sakurai didn't say that Smash 4 would be the final game in the series; he said that it would be HIS last Smash game. The Smash series will continue, he just won't be sticking around for the fifth installment.
Well, there's always been a new Smash game for each new Nintendo console. I highly doubt that that's going to stop with the Wii U although they might skip the NX since it's going to come out so soon after the Wii U did. Also, Namco was supposedly working on a "sixth" installment for arcades but I'm not sure what became of that project.
Super60429 Idk about Namco, really, but you know, you can't play Smash on every console, so maybe they could make a port of Sm4sh to the NX like they did with the PS3 game transitions into the PS4.
Dude, I remember you from the Project M forums! We had some good convos on the clone engine thread back in the day. Good for you for taking the initiative and making this a reality, I know you were always one of the people saying you'd love Ganondorf to have his own moveset. This looks amazing, and I'll be downloading it the moment it's available.
Holy crap! I was always indifferent about the Ganandorf/Falcon issue but after seeing what the potential is I can finally understand why people are annoyed that Ganondorf doesn't have his own unique moveset. This is also the first time I have been tempted to get Project M. But if this is an unofficial mod how does one go about acquiring it?
Go to the website, then go to downloads. I'm assuming you don't want a pirated version so make sure you have a PC, brawl disc, and at least a 2 gb REGULAR SD card.
Fixing what the other comment said, it has to be an EXACTLY 2 GB SD card. The PM team explains why on the website, apparently something about the disc not being able to read bigger SD cards or something.
Won't be unofficial for long, look at how fucking awesome it is! If the Project M team was smart they would ask to help out with development, and make it a bit more balanced
Bronzegreekgod, this is amazing, Ganondorf has always been one of my least favourite Smash characters because his C.Falcon moveset doesn't fit with him al all (except his Final Smash), but what you've made is awesome. Ganondorf deserves a moveset based on The Legend of Zelda games, either as a wizard of as a heavy swordsman, and you made both. Awesome job, I hope Sakurai is watching this.
...These, are two amazing revisions to Ganon. I have to give you, and anyone else that may have worked on this, a huge amount of credit. If I had project M, and could run it (potato computer) I would totally play as the amazing king of darkness once more. GREAT work! (I say and other people, because this seems way too polished to be a one man job, but if you did do it all by yourself, thats just even more impressive!)
This is glorious, everything is perfect. One thing though, for TP Ganon, I think there should be an additional sweet-spot near the base of the sword, at the hilt. Maybe not quite as powerful as the tip, but still. I say this because during the fight with Ganon in Twilight Princess, you lock swords with him at about that point on his/your sword, and have to mash 'A' to win the struggle. It would be a cool little nod to that moment.
Both of these were pretty cool and clearly better than Falcondorf However Dual-sword Ganondorf is like my favorite. I like the Hyrule Warriors design but I'm okay with Toon Ganondorf too
Finally....after all the Brawl hacks....we finally have a Ganondorf that can switch between a mage, a brawler, and a swordsman via his taunts. All with moves that make sense and are sensibly balanced while still including that Triforce of Power strength. With CSPs and costume mods that pay homage to his past incarnations. And all in one package. It finally happened. Now to figure out how to modify his Final Smash so that you can control Ganon as a playable character. And to finally get that Hyrule Warriors costume of his into Brawl somehow. Maybe even make a dual-wielding version of it (or mode by inputting a command when drawing his sword during taunt) so we can give Wind Waker Ganon some more respect.
dude this is so cool PLEASE make a download link as soon as you can. I REALLY love ganondorf and this mod would make such a great fix for his clone moveset!
I would TOTALLY love it if future Smash Games did this (have Falcondorf, Swordorf, and Wizardorf available via his taunts). I'm totally downloading this when it comes out. Quick question though: I saw it saying Lucario for Ganondorf around 5:29 in the video. Is it because you guys are working on Wizardorf as a separate character or is it because you're using Lucario as a base for now and will implement it to Swordorf/Falcondorf via Up Taunt when done? I'm hoping for the latter, but I'm still downloading it when it's done. Looks cleaner than Triforce Ganon IMHO.
+The One Who Wrote This So magic ganondorf is over lucario, and sword/fist ganon is just over ganon. The ultimate goal is to clone lucario and have 2 ganondorfs one from TP and one from OOT.
Oh. My. Gosh. :o This is AMAZING. I was extremely disappointed that none of Ganondorf's custom specials in Sm4sh did anything like your OOT version--I would've gladly taken a ranged magical attack (which I would call Eldritch Blast) and Mario-like reflector cape over the Warlock Punch and Wizard's Foot.
While as an avid Ganon player (I main Link), this looks SSIIIIIICK!!! I really wish we had implementation kinda like this in some way in project M. I dunno, I like the idea of some of these attacks replacing what currently exists but it seems a BIT overpowered... then again that's ganon for ya. But still, it'd be awesome of the Project M guys got inspired by this and decided to implement a little more ganon-like things cuz of you =)
This is SOO awesome. This truly shows the amazing potential that would have been there for Ganondorf. Now, in 2017, I look with frustration and agony at the laughing stock they made out of him in Smash 4. A low tier character. That's all the love nintendo has for him? :(
Nicholas Yonta In Melee, he was a last-minute addition, so they kind of made him a clone to save time. That being said, he still should be de-cloned. Especially considering it's been the same for almost 16 years
I know Nintendo loves their fans and all, but sometimes I feel they need to pay attention more to what said fans are doing. Seriously, both versions of Ganon you made here make way more sense than how he plays currently in Smash Bros. I love the sorcerer version so much. His kit is freaking perfect. I'd love to play him simply for that fun float mechanic.
The sheer creativity and genius of the mods people put into these games is incredible. I cant wait to see smash brothers developed by someone other than Sakurai and his team. it will be superior in every way.
Holy shit, these comments are giving me a fuckin migrane. People are trying to say they respect sakurai in the comments but all I see is "FUCK SAKURAI I DON'T CARE HE CREATED SMASH IN THE FIRST PLACE HE NEEDS TO DIE IN A FIRE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE GANONDORF LIKE I WANTED HIM TO WAAAAA"
Daniel Ireland Whether or not the series is ruined isn't at issue here. What people are insulting sakurai for in this comment section is that one singular character isn't what they wanted it to be. It's like Ridley. Chances are, if he IS playable, he'll probably be really slow, leading to people hating sakurai because the fact that he's finally in isn't enough. It's one problem after the other, and the (vocal) community is too set on whining. So what if ganondorf doesn't have a new moveset? Is it really that bad that you need to insult the creator of the series just for it?
look im not talking from a competitive standpoint here cause i don't understand to much about it to talk about stuff like that but from a huge zelda fan prospective THAT WAS FUCKING INCREDABLE its finally good to see a canonical representation of ganondorf in smash and i also like how you kept regular gannondorf too but made changes to him i haven't tried project m yet but when i do i cant wait to try this too
+Downtown Brown Project M is much more balanced than any smash game I've played. I can play well as every character, and can be beaten by any character. Not to mention every character is fun as heck to play as. There aren't any completely unplayable characters, or any top tiers, everyone's equal. If you watch the trailers they put out, characters look OP all the time cause the trailer is designed to showcase the characters strengths. And if you notice.. EVERYONE looks OP. So if they truly are all OP - everyone OP = balanced game.
TheBronzegreekgod aight but dis nigga got it all. he got tha spike, tha move where he becomes an invincible dark ball, the air game, the float mechanic lifted offa peach. what doesn't he have?
I'd wish Ultimate's Ganondorf were a mix between these two fanmade Ganondorfs (magic moves from Ocarina of Time + sword attacks from Twilight Princess) :'v His new Smash attacks aren't enough to declone him.
Can't believe my eyes, Ganondorf is my favorite character ever and we can FINALLY see his full awesomeness ! I don't have project M but i'm happy to see that.
I realize this comment might not get read, this vid is a couple months old, but I just want to say, Thank You. I don't know anything about this channel or the team or anyone who is working on project Ganon, but I truly thank you. Ganondorf is one of my all time favorite characters in gaming, and it is so nice to see someone put so much effort into making him who he should be in the SSB franchise. I am excited to get this mod the moment it is released. Best of luck.
As a Ganondorf main, this would be dope.
Love Ganon and project M.
Thanks for sharing Gonzossm
Gonzossm well your gonna love smash ultimate
Want.
Oh sweet, you're here.
+Lythero Lythero senpai noticed this.
GRATE FUCK IF YOURE HERE THEN THAT MEANS...I NEED PROJECT M!!
hi lythero
I LUV U LYTHERO
As a Ganondorf main and fan, this brings tears to my eyes :')
'As a Ganondorf main...'
-wwwwario, 2015
***** Gay?
+wwwwario I want this to be on my SD card because it's the hypest shit ever to find its way to me.
+wwwwario Me too.
I thought your main would be Wario lol
Very creative! I love how you actually thought out the move-set for both Ganondorf variations unlike Nintendo who pretty much just cloned him again.
Can't wait to get my hands on this!
Hey everyone, thanks for all the comments and feedback! Make sure you guys keep an eye on my blog in the description, I'll keep everyone updated with everything as much as possible. I know there are a lot of questions and concerns, so I will try and answer as much as possible on there for everyone to see!
+TheBronzegreekgod Very well designed couple of modifications for Ganondorf. Though, if I might make a suggestion, with the sword variant, it might actually work better if you make the sweet-spot of his attacks at the middle of his blade. Not only to give him some variety from Marth's bit with a sword, but because a sword designed like the one from Twilight Princess would actually do the most damage from the middle section. This is due to the wider blade having its center of mass near the middle or base.
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+TheBronzegreekgod Could I possibly have the music you used for the video? Especially the one that plays when OOT Ganondorf comes to play?
+Alex Night It's the battle theme vs Ganondorf. Might be ZREOs remix.
+TheBronzegreekgod IGN Wii U Lobby represent, yo. >:]
i wish nintendo just brought blood falcon to replace ganondorf and give ganondorf a true moveset
or black shadow
no. buraku shadow.
GROOSE can take Gannon's current move set
Black shadow would be a better choice
+Smashlander02 HELL YEAH!! :D
Ganondorf looks like a OP fighting game boss now. Fits him perfectly. He looks fun to fight as and fight against!
I'd love there to be OP characters like this. Not be played as (Except maybe in a special mode), but to fight as bosses in the game. I'd prefer the same boss style I got from Metal Mario in Smash 64 than for every boss to have HP like they did in Brawl.
+Nintendawg65 In Project M, you can play as Wario Man or Giga Bowser by holding L/R when you select them. Both are effectively boss characters. Perhaps something like this could be added for the 'Dorf.
+Lord Socky this
@@Nintendawg65 Well we got cool bosses in Ultimate now.
Oh my god. Why wasn't Ganon like this to begin with?
+Grample Gust Ganondorf was one of the last characters added into Melee. He nearly didn't make it in. They threw Falcon's moveset on him at the last minute and tweaked it a bit so it wouldn't be an EXACT copy. We're honestly lucky to have him in Melee at all.
The reason why he hasn't been changed in Brawl or Smash 4 is unknown though. They've had plenty of time to rework the character, and everyone knows they have the creative talent and funding to make something similar to what this video showed off. I think it's because they didn't want to "alienate the Melee Ganon fans" by making him radically different. (Which is completely lame, but is really the only logical explanation.)
+Sheecacaa3 It is the reason you gave. While I don't play him, I do have many friends who do and they love the moveset he has right now so what you said rings true in their cases. To be fair, it has been changed a lot ever since the Melee days while still remaining a semiclone.
+Sheecacaa3 If they're afraid of pissing off the Ganon-clone fans, they should just add Black Shadow from F-Zero to the roster and put that old moveset on him. It'd be perfect.
What?
Ganons transition from melee to brawl was one of the worst nerfs in the smash series. They didn't keep him as meh falcondorf, they just made him fatter, slower, "oldmanondorf" what literally no one wanted. His iteration in brawl in completely unforgivable, and his smash 4 self could have been LEAGUES better and his chance to finally declone . ( it was better though to be fair)
+Sheecacaa3 It should also be noted that Sakurai mains Ganondorf, (I'm pretty sure anyway).
i love you.
+Ian Mooney Consider learning the new Ganon(s)?
+Ian Mooney bruh.
i actually expected most ganon mains to be displeased with how much different his moveset is from OG ganon.
Usahi no this is perfect
Show Me The Moves91 yes absolutely
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This is excellent. Both movesets look super fun to play. Bravo to everyone involved.
Man, if Ganondorf was like anything in this video, Twilight Princess or Ocarina of Time, I would main both of them in a heartbeat
LockFelino about that...
@@immaparrot2824 It’s definitely an improvement but Ganondorf still isn’t faithful to the games
@@anthony432 ik, I wish he had more attacks that showed the Ganon part of him
You know its amazng how you could get Gannondorf from Twilight princess and Ocarina of time and they will be two completely different characters. Hell i bet we can push in Gannondorf from Wind Waker and he will still be different.
Good job sir.
+Krauser Cruz btw you still working on this?
+Krauser Cruz But, they could do like P.M.'s development team and make almost every Ganondorf skin have a different moveset (hence Mario's Dr. Mario skin having different stuff, but he's still kinda a clone regardless of Melee).
***** Plus he can't wall-jump.
***** No, Dr. Mario can't wall-jump (I mean Melee. P.M.'s Dr. Mario has just 2 changes).
***** Yeah. Dr. Mario is a skin in P.M., but he's kinda different in Melee.
After seeing this, Sakurai should be fucking embarrassed about his Falcondorf bullshit.
it's like they didnt even try :'(
+GumptheGreat Having Ganondorf as my 2nd main, I'm quite fine with having Ganon as a clone of Falcon. However, this doesn't mean i don't agree with you. I never truly understood how Sakurai's mindset works. He makes a lot of good decisions but he makes an equal amount of bad decisions as well.
Now as for the PSA, You're god damn right I'm downloading this when i get the chance.
I wana see sakurai's reaction to this so bad.
I was waiting for someone like Erik to come here and take everything the wrong way just to start drama. Lmao fuck outta here we respect Sakurai but he isn't perfect. Stop crying and get off his nuts, his Ganondorf is lacking.
+Erik Shaw he made the game for casuals you moron. Sakurai said over & over he wont ever make a game that takes as much skill as melee again. So no he DIDNT make brawl & sm4sh for s. Stop being a fucking dumbass. He made brawl & sm4sh for the casual fans who dont even care about high level smash lol.
Man, if the knockback and damages were toned down a bit, this could be actually used in noncasual play. For example, the OHKO thing on sword is pretty flipping dumb and that magnetic grab is pretty off. Idk, I have a feeling this is mainly a mod for the cool factor and not for "making sort of a new character for actual play," but if this were tweaked for such play that'd be sick.
+The Shiny Volcarona Well good luck getting that OHKO. Its on the move and you have to time pressing "a" perfectly or it wont work. Roy and Ike have OHKO's too.
+TheBronzegreekgod fair enough, but mage ganon looks kinda ridiculous. That grab alone...I really hope it does low damage because if not that'd be insanely overpowered.
+The Shiny Volcarona Notice that some of the characters that died did nothing to recover (for example: Ike) and didn't DI.
+The Shiny Volcarona I got the same impression as well. It looks really, really fucking good, but the Phantom Ganon looks a little too much. I have never played PM but this looks like it was designed to have literally every option, better aerial mobility then peach as well as ridiculous range, a projectile and a strong looking spike. (or maybe a meteor, assuming you can cancel those in PM)
Also are those recycled animations from other characters? Cause that's really cool if that's how you put that together.
Kealmir Recycled like how they recycled Ganondorf in Melee by putting extremly similar movesets to Cpt. Falcon's and animations that are extremly similar to him, too?
The fact that hackers and modders could give Ganon a better moveset than Sakurai did just proves that Sakurai just didn't want to do Ganon the proper justice he deserves
and sonic
Man, Sakurai really learned absolutely nothing
Take off then insta kill on sword ganon and he'll be perfect. Just give it strong knock back like Marths shield breaker
+Eric Nobles Its a pretty hard to hit with gimmick that won't really be used much. I doubt it should straight up be removed. We already have near straight OHKO's with jigglypuff and whatnot.
You can survive a rest and or block it, on top of that despite how ppl make it look its not that easy to land and you can be severely punished for whiffing it. I think this way easier to pull off seeing how you can charge and run around with it and it looks like it can send shields to the shadow realm if you dare block it. Feels kinda like little Macs KO punch which is dumb as fuck
Yeah, you've got some good points. If you install a mod that makes ganon broken as all hell though, you are probably playing pretty casually and don't care that the OHKO is in there anyway.
+Eric Nobles absolutely no characters in any smash has damage balance based on frame attack speed. The ganon's shown are pretty o.p. though and the changes you mentioned wouldn't hurt~
+Eric Nobles I think Mac more than makes up for his KO Uppercut's power by it being so easy to lose, and also having almost unusable recovery
I love you guys for making this, we should push to have Project M have it!
+KIKO JAIMES oh I thought this was going to be the new PM ganon lol
I though so too, but its a custom mod so we should petition for it
+KIKO JAIMES It looks like it's gonna need a little nerfing before it's ready for a main release for Project M, which is incredibly focused on the balance of the game. Just a little bit. The Neutral B with Swordorf's hitstun ability is a really cool concept but the kill confirm seems a little easy if you ask me.
No I like project m ganon the way he is now. No jank.
+KIKO JAIMES Actually, there was poll in SmashBoards to add new characters, and the idea of a revamped Ganondorf (with Black Shadow to take on Falcondorf's moveset) was 3rd most voted, just behind Isaac and Ridley.
Now I want to see *Young Link's move set corrected. Instead of making *Young Link a clone of Adult Link, they should have drawn influence from Majora's Mask. Child Link should have been able to use his masks as transformations, much like Shiek/Zelda.
+hysuka2 You mean Young Link?
+|FCT| Andrusto100 Oh my god, yes. I don't know what was wrong with my brain when I typed this post up. xD Thanks. I'll edit it.
+hysuka2 It's fine, but I like YL. more than T.L. and I agree with you, but Y.L is not exactly a clone of Link (Adult Link), he's more gile, has sweetspots on his D-Air just like Roy, can wall-jump and a few other things.
+hysuka2 I suppose it would have to be done in P:M because transformations are too strong for 3ds
+hysuka2 It would be cool If Young Link had a moveset with Bombchus, his Slingshot, Deku Nuts, Deku Sticks, but maybe keep the same aerials as Adult Link,
this is incredibly well made, Great job dude!
Hopefully Sakurai sees this, and actually puts some these ideas into the next Smash. Ganon's sword moveset is badass as hell.
Reese Labbe
Another horrible decision was to not give Ganondorf his own moveset when he was making Brawl. Dorf had Falcon's moveset in Melee because he was a last minute add, but they had no excuse not to update him for Brawl or 4.
guys sakurai says he wont work with ssbb if there is a 5th one so it might be completely different
It's only stubborn when it goes against what you want. In no way are any of his decisions save for tripping "horrible" or "stubborn".
CometX-ing
Even the decision to leave Ganondorf as a Falcon clone for 2 games more than he needed to be?
AstralMuffin105 He already had an established move set, I don't remember any other character in smash having a move set overhaul. It's not a stupid decision to take into account those used to his melee move set.
Nice work! This was really well put together. I love the video editing on this to show how similar it is to his original moves. Great job :D
Hey guys, if you've missed the announcement, the wait is finally over! Head over to my blog to download my mods! smashprojectganondorf.blogspot.ca/p/download.html
Just make sure you read the blog post carefully it's important!
ermagerd ermagerd YASSS
naem of song ?
glad I finally found the origin of the Mage Ganon mod 8 years later lmao
That moment when you are an huge zelda fan, but also a smash addict, and watching captain ganondorf play like actual Ganondorf doesn't feel right...
Don't get me wrong, this is still a goddamn dank/10 , and I love you for making this.
I'm a Ganon main and agree
Hey Ganon fans! I'm trying to make some noise about de-cloning ganondorf in smash ultimate. I'm making the case that it would be nice if for dlc, ganon could get an alternate moveset that can be toggled in the character select screen! If everyone that supports this can make some noise on social media, that would be great! Ive started a hashtag on twitter #DecloneGanondorf. Here's my twitter if anyone wants to join in, and read and share anything ive posted. twitter.com/BronzeGreekGod
Let me know if anyone has any other ideas about how to get our voices heard!
My dreams are coming true thank you :')
This is just simply brilliant. I totally forgot how much I loved the old Ganondorf voice. And together with that moveset, just amazing.
no but it's ok because he has Cloud's down smash and Ike's up and forward smashes! now we can all be happy!!11!!!1! right?
As much as I love the focus on magic and his sword, I don't think he should focus on tippers as much even if they're just made for finishing.. Unless they're actually really, REALLY hard to hit consistently. Even then, if people get his non-tips down to the point where they don't really need them to kill, it would just feel like an unnecessary bonus.
Not hatin', just being a critic.
+OhLook ItsLuca (Luca) We'll have to see how it goes when people start playing. Balancing isn't an easy job for one guy to do!
I mean I have had help and advice here and there, but that isn't enough. Competitive people need to do some serious testing to find what's OP or under powered if anything. What you see here is the main meat and potatoes of these two characters, but lots of tweaking will have to take place to make sure everything is balanced. Unless by some fluke I got it perfect on the first shot :P
+TheBronzegreekgod well, when you do get it released, be sure to make this variant in a seperate slot or as a "hold R with Ganon" thing. I would like to try it but I don't wanna give up P:M Ganny to do it lol
Also, and you probably already thought ahead with this, but I hope there's a height limit to Magic Ganon's float has some sort of limitation on height or can only be used when there's ground under him, otherwise people might float to the top or top corners of the screen and spam taunt to refresh the time. And I really don't think he should be having a boot that spikes, his angled ftilt is already amazing at punishing imperfect sweetspotted recoveries, he probably doesn't need it taking a stock but I'd have to see what else he's got to be sure.
+OhLook ItsLuca (Luca) I have to agree. Using the tip feels a bit to Marth-like. Maybe have Ganon's sword be more like Roy's? Ganon's swordplay should probably feel more like charging in at your opponent, not spacing them out.
I'm alright with tips if they're really hard to get consistently (like say the closer you hit to the tip but not exactly the tip, the flubbier the attack is), but maybe consider it being more strong at the base, but nothing crazy considering the size of the sword. I also liked how dtilt/ftilt pulled people in at the tip as well.
And remembering the sideb now, if you're gonna allow people to turn around with that, I'd suggest it having half the power since you're trading it for correcting yourself.
Although, as I say this, I could be entirely wrong because it's not like I've tested it personally, and I'm remembering that Ganon doesn't really have much ways to approach unlike Ike's sideb and Roy and Marth's ground speed, so 'til then - He'd make fart noises -
+OhLook ItsLuca (Luca) The tipper focus makes sense if you compare Ganon to his Brawler form. Why switch his sweetspot from the tip to the base? Because it feels too much like Marth? Wouldn't having the Sweetspot in the base be "too much like Roy" then? that argument is out the window now.
You gotta remember that Ganondorf doesn't swing as fast as Marth to be rewarded as easily for his tippers so he feels a little closer to Ike without his Quick draw mobility and for that reason alone i can't see him doing as well as neither Ike or Marth.
Now, back to my point: Brawler Ganon has short-mid range attacks. Giving Sword Ganon sweetspots at the base of his sword would make him a short-mid range oriented fighter with slightly more (albeit weak) range. That sounds pretty boring from a design perspective.
I have been rewatching this video so many times, as someone that really wants to main Ganondorf (because it's Ganondorf cmon) this video makes me warm on the inside!
Same dude, same too much
I love this, dude. So much love and effort went into making this mod and this trailer. I respect that deeply.
This had got to be the most creative shit I've ever seen.
This is what I want. This is amazing!
This is so well put together, I love it! Keep up the awesome work bros!
This shows how much more Ganondorf could be than a simple clone character, I was really hoping they'd remake Ganon for Smash bros 4, and was disappointed they left him as a Falcon clone.
Such a damn good job on being faithful to the Zelda games. And the graphics are very well done. Can't wait to use the King of Evil in his true form.
Holy shit Ganondorf is so badass now. I have a feeling that in Smash 5 you would be able to choose between Ganondorf's classic moveset or the one with a sword.
+Frost Wolfe Smash 5...? Sakurai said that Smash 4 is the last in the series, but it will get updated from time to time, so there's no sense in making another Smash 5. unless... Smash 5 could be something different, maybe more centered into the competitive scene... But we'll still have Smash 4 for now.
+|FCT| Andrusto100 Sakurai didn't say that Smash 4 would be the final game in the series; he said that it would be HIS last Smash game. The Smash series will continue, he just won't be sticking around for the fifth installment.
Super60429 Why would they make a Smash 5 anyways...? It's pointless.
Well, there's always been a new Smash game for each new Nintendo console. I highly doubt that that's going to stop with the Wii U although they might skip the NX since it's going to come out so soon after the Wii U did.
Also, Namco was supposedly working on a "sixth" installment for arcades but I'm not sure what became of that project.
Super60429 Idk about Namco, really, but you know, you can't play Smash on every console, so maybe they could make a port of Sm4sh to the NX like they did with the PS3 game transitions into the PS4.
Dude, I remember you from the Project M forums! We had some good convos on the clone engine thread back in the day. Good for you for taking the initiative and making this a reality, I know you were always one of the people saying you'd love Ganondorf to have his own moveset.
This looks amazing, and I'll be downloading it the moment it's available.
Holy crap! I was always indifferent about the Ganandorf/Falcon issue but after seeing what the potential is I can finally understand why people are annoyed that Ganondorf doesn't have his own unique moveset. This is also the first time I have been tempted to get Project M. But if this is an unofficial mod how does one go about acquiring it?
Go to the website, then go to downloads. I'm assuming you don't want a pirated version so make sure you have a PC, brawl disc, and at least a 2 gb REGULAR SD card.
Fixing what the other comment said, it has to be an EXACTLY 2 GB SD card. The PM team explains why on the website, apparently something about the disc not being able to read bigger SD cards or something.
+MHSchonberg That's only for the hackless version. You can use whatever size you want if you're doing homebrew.
Won't be unofficial for long, look at how fucking awesome it is! If the Project M team was smart they would ask to help out with development, and make it a bit more balanced
Bronzegreekgod, this is amazing, Ganondorf has always been one of my least favourite Smash characters because his C.Falcon moveset doesn't fit with him al all (except his Final Smash), but what you've made is awesome. Ganondorf deserves a moveset based on The Legend of Zelda games, either as a wizard of as a heavy swordsman, and you made both. Awesome job, I hope Sakurai is watching this.
had to watch the trailer twice cuz its amazing
...These, are two amazing revisions to Ganon. I have to give you, and anyone else that may have worked on this, a huge amount of credit. If I had project M, and could run it (potato computer) I would totally play as the amazing king of darkness once more. GREAT work! (I say and other people, because this seems way too polished to be a one man job, but if you did do it all by yourself, thats just even more impressive!)
+Luigi4evernevermario Dont have a wii? Project M is a wii mod :P
Mine sadly kicked the bucket. It was a first-week wii. So I just have my WiiU now
i cant wait for cdi ganon
LOL
This is glorious, everything is perfect. One thing though, for TP Ganon, I think there should be an additional sweet-spot near the base of the sword, at the hilt. Maybe not quite as powerful as the tip, but still. I say this because during the fight with Ganon in Twilight Princess, you lock swords with him at about that point on his/your sword, and have to mash 'A' to win the struggle. It would be a cool little nod to that moment.
+Bill Roger haha, right.
This is really awesome! I honestly don't even know what to say...
Wut
this guy deserves major creds for this. Keep it up man people will adore you all over youtube!
Both of these were pretty cool and clearly better than Falcondorf
However
Dual-sword Ganondorf is like my favorite. I like the Hyrule Warriors design but I'm okay with Toon Ganondorf too
Nice dude. Animations look very clean and natural. Good job!
Finally....after all the Brawl hacks....we finally have a Ganondorf that can switch between a mage, a brawler, and a swordsman via his taunts. All with moves that make sense and are sensibly balanced while still including that Triforce of Power strength. With CSPs and costume mods that pay homage to his past incarnations. And all in one package. It finally happened.
Now to figure out how to modify his Final Smash so that you can control Ganon as a playable character. And to finally get that Hyrule Warriors costume of his into Brawl somehow. Maybe even make a dual-wielding version of it (or mode by inputting a command when drawing his sword during taunt) so we can give Wind Waker Ganon some more respect.
Damn that mod is sick!!!!!!! Congrats to all who put in tons of effort to create it. Definitely looking forward to the release
dude this is so cool PLEASE make a download link as soon as you can. I REALLY love ganondorf and this mod would make such a great fix for his clone moveset!
OMG!!! Guys...you are INSANELY SKILLED!!! I went so hyper from this video!!! amazing creativity!!! next mod must definitely be : Mewtwo!!!!!!!
This is like a dream come true.
My mind is blown by how amazing this is.
holy shit this is a great mod this should be officiall and be in pm
I gotta tell you dude, every time i see this I get SOOO much more hyped. I can't wait
If only this were Ganon's original move set...
i just love how smooth the animations are for this mod well done
I would TOTALLY love it if future Smash Games did this (have Falcondorf, Swordorf, and Wizardorf available via his taunts). I'm totally downloading this when it comes out.
Quick question though: I saw it saying Lucario for Ganondorf around 5:29 in the video. Is it because you guys are working on Wizardorf as a separate character or is it because you're using Lucario as a base for now and will implement it to Swordorf/Falcondorf via Up Taunt when done? I'm hoping for the latter, but I'm still downloading it when it's done. Looks cleaner than Triforce Ganon IMHO.
+The One Who Wrote This So magic ganondorf is over lucario, and sword/fist ganon is just over ganon. The ultimate goal is to clone lucario and have 2 ganondorfs one from TP and one from OOT.
+TheBronzegreekgod Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for answering my question! :)
+TheBronzegreekgod the ganons (falcondorf, TP and OOT) kind of remind me of Mii Brawler/Swordfighter/Blaster.
+TheBronzegreekgod So Magic 'Dorf and Sword/Fist 'Dorf can't both be accessible from a single moveset?
It's more like "Warlockdorf".
Oh. My. Gosh. :o This is AMAZING. I was extremely disappointed that none of Ganondorf's custom specials in Sm4sh did anything like your OOT version--I would've gladly taken a ranged magical attack (which I would call Eldritch Blast) and Mario-like reflector cape over the Warlock Punch and Wizard's Foot.
Who's a lower tier now?
While as an avid Ganon player (I main Link), this looks SSIIIIIICK!!! I really wish we had implementation kinda like this in some way in project M. I dunno, I like the idea of some of these attacks replacing what currently exists but it seems a BIT overpowered... then again that's ganon for ya. But still, it'd be awesome of the Project M guys got inspired by this and decided to implement a little more ganon-like things cuz of you =)
Ganondorf has so much potential and what does HAL make out of that...?
They create a slower Cpt. Falcon!
this is incredibly well done, cant' wait. inspires me to make that dark pit moveset i was planning out once upon a time
Wow! I like these ganondorfs better then the ones Nintendo made for smash :P
I'm like shaking for excitement, I have always mained ganondorf in all the games and I knew once this came I knew I picked the right main
This looks sexy as fuck. Congratulations, seriously.
This is SOO awesome. This truly shows the amazing potential that would have been there for Ganondorf. Now, in 2017, I look with frustration and agony at the laughing stock they made out of him in Smash 4. A low tier character. That's all the love nintendo has for him? :(
It's... so... cool!
Great editing and construction! Really enjoyed and had me wondering what I was going to watch
Ganon if he was dlc
They'd suddenly remember all the source material if he was dlc
Honestly one of the best mods for this game. I'll be looking forward to this!
SO WHY DOESNT GANNON PLAY LIKE THIS IN THE REAL GAMES
THERE WAS NO REASON FOR HIM TO BE A FALCON CLONE
Nicholas Yonta In Melee, he was a last-minute addition, so they kind of made him a clone to save time. That being said, he still should be de-cloned. Especially considering it's been the same for almost 16 years
This is literally the greatest video ever made! I want this so badly!
sword ganon looks sorta underpowered and mage ganon looks incredibly overpowered
that being said, holy shit I want to play mage ganon
I think I just fell in love. This is everything I ever wanted out of Smash Ganondorf.
For anyone still not sure.. yes this is real. Check out my blog in the description to have all your questions answered :P
I know Nintendo loves their fans and all, but sometimes I feel they need to pay attention more to what said fans are doing. Seriously, both versions of Ganon you made here make way more sense than how he plays currently in Smash Bros. I love the sorcerer version so much. His kit is freaking perfect. I'd love to play him simply for that fun float mechanic.
I just got this mod installed.
It *DESTROYS* the piece of crap ''FalconDorf'' we got from Sakurai in the *three previous Smash Bros games*.
Finally, Ganondorf PSAs that actually fit Ganondorf! Thank you so much!
So fucking awesome
The sheer creativity and genius of the mods people put into these games is incredible. I cant wait to see smash brothers developed by someone other than Sakurai and his team. it will be superior in every way.
Holy shit, these comments are giving me a fuckin migrane. People are trying to say they respect sakurai in the comments but all I see is "FUCK SAKURAI I DON'T CARE HE CREATED SMASH IN THE FIRST PLACE HE NEEDS TO DIE IN A FIRE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE GANONDORF LIKE I WANTED HIM TO WAAAAA"
+Mariohuge It's almost like he ruined the series 2 games ago or something...
Daniel Ireland Whether or not the series is ruined isn't at issue here. What people are insulting sakurai for in this comment section is that one singular character isn't what they wanted it to be.
It's like Ridley. Chances are, if he IS playable, he'll probably be really slow, leading to people hating sakurai because the fact that he's finally in isn't enough. It's one problem after the other, and the (vocal) community is too set on whining. So what if ganondorf doesn't have a new moveset? Is it really that bad that you need to insult the creator of the series just for it?
Mariohuge People wouldn't be mad if Ridley was slow. They would be mad if his moveset was a copypaste of meta knight.
Daniel Ireland I think charizard would be a better choice for that, considering the wings and tail and other stuff.
look im not talking from a competitive standpoint here cause i don't understand to much about it to talk about stuff like that but from a huge zelda fan prospective THAT WAS FUCKING INCREDABLE
its finally good to see a canonical representation of ganondorf in smash and i also like how you kept regular gannondorf too but made changes to him
i haven't tried project m yet but when i do i cant wait to try this too
project m: breeding ground for imbalance
+Downtown Brown Project M is much more balanced than any smash game I've played. I can play well as every character, and can be beaten by any character. Not to mention every character is fun as heck to play as. There aren't any completely unplayable characters, or any top tiers, everyone's equal. If you watch the trailers they put out, characters look OP all the time cause the trailer is designed to showcase the characters strengths. And if you notice.. EVERYONE looks OP. So if they truly are all OP - everyone OP = balanced game.
TheBronzegreekgod aight but dis nigga got it all. he got tha spike, tha move where he becomes an invincible dark ball, the air game, the float mechanic lifted offa peach. what doesn't he have?
+TheBronzegreekgod and an instakill? hoi hoi
a float is a float even if it can't recover
+TheBronzegreekgod if everybody's super...nobody's super
Dude... dude.... that was incredible!!! The Oot Ganondorf looks even better than sword Ganondorf!!!
This is amazing Ganondorf love. The sword. Even the super nintendo influence. Ocarina of time Ganon and Phantom Gannon. Amazing
This is amazing! I was hoping there'd be a Wind Waker Ganondorf at the end, but oh well. Two Ganons is amazing in in its own right!
ganon had been my main for such a long time. im glad he got more variety, he really deserves it seeing how much hes done in the zelda series
As a ganon main... THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING I'VE EVER SEEN
I don't even main him and I want this.
a job incredibly well done there.
This is flipping awesome! I hope u keep updating the mod or making moods for other charecters
This is amazing. This is how ganondorf should be in smash.
I'd wish Ultimate's Ganondorf were a mix between these two fanmade Ganondorfs (magic moves from Ocarina of Time + sword attacks from Twilight Princess) :'v
His new Smash attacks aren't enough to declone him.
Can't believe my eyes, Ganondorf is my favorite character ever and we can FINALLY see his full awesomeness ! I don't have project M but i'm happy to see that.
I realize this comment might not get read, this vid is a couple months old, but I just want to say, Thank You. I don't know anything about this channel or the team or anyone who is working on project Ganon, but I truly thank you. Ganondorf is one of my all time favorite characters in gaming, and it is so nice to see someone put so much effort into making him who he should be in the SSB franchise. I am excited to get this mod the moment it is released. Best of luck.
My god this was incredible, the epitome of what Ganon should play like
That laugh has terrified me ever since I was a little kid. It still does. Ganondorf is a scary guy, no matter how you look at him.
True Wizard Ganondorf is literally hidden boss character status right now.
This trailer is amazingly done! Can't wait to get em!
You have no idea how much I love this!
I, Gold Tager, cannot be the only one to appreciate this display of POWAH