except a dedicated GPU is more powerful in general, it does way more, there's a reason why dedicated cards are quite large, SoC haven't hit the capability yet
would be interesting comparing the system Power consumption with a lower tier gpu, something with the performance of Apple silicon. that i9 is hungry for sure, but the gpu eats a lot too!
We had a massive hike in power prices where I live last July, and the power draw alone is enough for me to not even bother considering a 40 series GPU. I'd be paying more for power than I pay for rent just running that damn thing.
I'd care if it was a laptop 😂, a prius might get good mpg compared to its 0-60 but its still slow and that's not what people that care about 0-60 look at
Only time I've noticed it was on setups that were Linux or Mac native systems, or Windows systems with some non-up to date drivers. The Linux users even managed to patch the glitching themselves with their witchcraft.
I've never had that issue in windows. And i use a huge array of pcs. Everything from nvidia to amd, and even play on laptops and desktops with igpus. Never seen that. I could list you all the diferent configurations of pcs but we've be here all day lol.
i think so as well, all ML-Stuff, recently pytorch added supports for gpu on M1 which is really nice because of all that unified memory, you could really nice prototyp some DeepLearning on the m1
@@dzjuben2794 depends a lot on the workload, if your doing tasks that are very bandwidth heavy the massive bandwidth that the M1 Max/Ultra have for the GPU alone is very impressive and if your using a build of Numpy/SciPi that uses the AMX units then you also have a LOT of extra unto 8 TFLops of FP32 and 4TFLops FP 64 (and I think 1 TFLOP fp80) for matrix ops. The massive memory bandwidth and rather large on die cache can make a massive difference in data sci workflows were one is very commonly matching hashes, joining and filtering. things were the raw compute cycles is a tiny fraction of the work compared to pumping data through the pipe.
Right now matlab and simulink run very poorly, especially simulink. Matlab should be getting an apple silicon update in 2023a, but simulink probably won't get updated for quite some time. Solidworks runs fine on my m1 pro via parallels, but not noticeably different from the m1 macbook air. Fusion should be getting an AS update soon, so that should be interesting to see.
@@alexstubbings_ For sure apps that have not been updated in this space like matLab etc are not good. But the python data-sci space is now finally fully native stack and is looking very good.
Developer here with the angry (not really) comment. My primary complaint/issue would be comparing the M1 Ultra against the 12900K instead of the 5950X. Which is actually kinda the complaint I'd have in general. Per LTT's own review, the 5950X was the stronger overall "productivity" CPU. Given the focus of the M1 Max & Ultra, it then seems odd to use the 12900K instead of the 5950X.
I think it is because apple used the 12900k as a comparison for the M1 Ultra. But yeah, here it should be "fastest 4k$ pc vs M1 Ultra", so a 5950x would make sense.
I want a full amd build comparison. While intel's cpu might be slightly faster, it's much more efficient. Power usage would show it's true potential. Also, I have yet to see benchmarks for amd's HIP support in blender.
Dont agree, with the lower idle power the 12900K and better in almost everything compared to the 5950 (performance, boards, PCIe) is for sure the better value for developers. But in the end both are the same league. Just as the Ultra is, except for the price league where it is unbelievable 300% more expensive, and 2500 against 7000 Euro hurts.
I'm glad you mentioned the suitability for hot climates because this is often glossed over in the reviews. Living in Brazil, an Intel notebook in a small room with second display and intensive usage means that I need AC on almost all the time if I want to be comfortable in the room, while using a M1 machine is as if it was nothing. This was one of the main reasons why I switched from a Dell XPS 13 to a Macbook Air M1
Same. Here in Phoenix, AZ where it has already hit 114F(44.5C) this summer, my gaming PC will heat up an entire room noticeably hotter than the rest of the house and besides the PCs own power consumption, the AC runs harder further raising the power bill. Yet, with my M1 Max I can literally work on it outside*. My heavier workloads consist of running Altium(EDA software for PCB design) or PathWave ADS/EMpro for EM field solving, in Windows 11(Parallels VM). *Why work outside? When my kids are swimming/playing in the yard.
For video encode you probably want to test Intel's QuickSync too, because it should handle weird stuff like 2:3 a lot better than the notoriously constrained NVENC.
@@Prophes0r Nope, a lot of businesses and people use them for VoDs. For example UA-cam. It's all hardware. Yes CPU encoding is better (by far less that the 95% you quoted, more like probably 20-30%, also you are comparing H265 and H264 and the same QP values wich are different for every encoder which is bullsh*it) and should be preferred, but that only holds true as long as you have the time and the resources (more like a Netflix use case, where you don't have that much content but everything is being watched a lot), if you are in a hurry or have terabytes of content it's basically all you've got. Hell Intel just announced a GPU for for example CDNs called arctic sound m and google builds similar hardware themselves for UA-cam. Similarly many content creator, especially on the go, use QuickSync to not wait for ages. (Remember especially with QuickSync there's parameters and presets you can tweak to make it look better than the default settings)
I don't think NVENC was really ever meant to be more than a decent way to stream content consumed on the same PC at a relatively low cost. For offline rendering it doesn't really seem worth it to sacrifice the image quality (unless that's somehow different, I never really used NVENC for that purpose).
@@MLWJ1993 Well that is only a fair point as long as you don't have any pressure on time (certain delivery dates for example) in that case you just crank up the bitrate by a few percent and you're fine (for offline usage the tradeoff isn't quality usually but just size).
@@cromefire_ It's not like CPU encoding takes enormous amounts of time either (unless you really go ham on both the quality preset & bitrate). Maybe relevant if you own a dated CPU though.
@@MLWJ1993 Well if you go for x264 fast or so (when it'll be fast) hardware might actually be a better quality and if you go for slower x264 you can also use hardware h265. Of course you could also use x265 then, but x265 is way slower (and everything is amplified on mobile). And you can do the same logic for VP9 and (soon, when Arc is out one day) AV1 which will get you even better quality and even lower speed, software AV1 is < 1fps with 16 Cores and a bunch of RAM.
For that price, would it make sense to compare it to a Threadripper 5000 series? Would be interesting to see how ARM compares to both "x86" vendors. Also x265 is quite performant on Radeon cards so also interesting to compare both GPU vendors
yeah configuring smth similar with a threadripper clearly is the more fair test. BUT apple claims to be faster than there 12900k so they gotta test it agains tthat
Thanks for taking on this difficult task! I was super nervous when the ultra came out that my fully built 5950X and 3080 Ti was obsolete. This makes me feel much better about my render machine's solid performance... Just wish adobe would optimize for Zen 3.
I truly cannot overstate how utterly incredible that power draw is. Especially in a world with fast increasing electricity costs. I’m a video editor who uses Final Cut Pro and the Adobe suite, so i’m SO pumped for Apple Silicon.
I'd be curious to see an underclocked pc Vs Mac on power draw. if intel have shown us anything, it's half of your power is going in to the last few percent points of performance
This, all day, every day. 12900k is definitely a quick chip but, its power budget and money budget are way in excess of what most would need. A lower priced, lower power chip could yield some deeply interesting stuff. Half the price of the PC and run it stock and see where you stand. Probably 85% of the performance for half the cost. It is all well and good and makes good videos when you test the crazy expensive against the crazy expensive but most cannot come close to affording that. The priority of entertainment over information needs to change. I'd be very happy to see more realistic stuff with a conclusion saying... This is twice the price of this but you'd be mental to buy the more expensive one as you can get most of the performance and buy a second one for giggles for the same price.
true. a 12700k would be more than enough, still 8 pcores just half the ecores (4). and im not sure how usefull those 8 ecores are. but most of the power budget goes to turbo boost from ~4.3 to 5 and 5.2 ghz. with carefull settings in the bios, you can have most if not all of the performance and way lower power consumption. but, again they compare cpus as they come from the factory so, meh. m1 would still win in power draw but the difference wouldn't be so dramatic. but for the gpu, there is not much they can do...
Always awesome, Anthony. I’m glad to see you tested Macs in environments with software that they are used for or at least have been known to be used for. Intensive audio processing in multitrack studio applications or just high resolution Wacom Cintique digital painting are where my semi pro interests lie.
Same, music production is the least talked about tech-related field and it just gets ignored constantly. lmfao. Speaking of Ableton tho, given the way it assigns threads per-track, It'd probably do really well, but i don't see it out-performing heavily hypertreaded processors like the 5900x/5950x or the 12700k/12900k as the extra threads really count when you're loading up as many tracks as possible. I'd love to see that comparison
Ableton is so light I'm not sure how you'd benchmark it without dozens and dozens of VSTs. My '08 Mac Pro is my music workstation, and it has never stuttered or gone above 20% CPU, even on full-album projects with 50+ tracks. Even my 2gb MBP runs Live extremely well.
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning yeah I think the best way to test cpu performance would be large amounts of high number, full polyphony synths like phase plant, serum, or Omnisphere. I've got a ryzen 5 3600 based system and I can easily get 64+ tracks with moderate polyphony but it'll cap out if I take Pigments and increase the granular voices to 256. Lmao. It's not a perfect methodology but the bones are there for a solid test of raw cpu grunt
The power useage when M1 MAx is in the 16" MacBook is the key, no loss of performance when not plugged in and at least twice the battery life of any PC laptop, and in some cases three times, and as a result of the low power no fan noise and it stays cool on your lap, even when editing 4k Video and rendering, its movie making heaven.
As a developer that has both a Mac mini and a windows laptop I can say that I like the quietness on the Mac, but there are some features on there that require downloading through its kernel or through visual studio terminal which is fine, but I prefer grabbing my code wherever I go rather than leaving it at home and come back so I can continue it. Who knows, maybe I have an idea I wanna do, I just seem to use my laptop more and no not much difference between platforms in compiling speed (as a front end and Java developer)
By the way! the WoW visual artifacting on that fight occurs on windows too, it's a pretty major bug introduced in a recent patch somehow, and kills you a decent amount in that raid fight!
Thanks for a great review with attention to detail and depth of knowledge. A fair and square battle between the titans pc & mac. Really enjoyed it. I expected to see faster read/write speeds for the ssds on the 12 gen intel pc. Aprox 20% faster. Perhaps the ssd class was a bit low for this config.
When the time difference is low, you use percentage like Apple to make it seem that M1 Ultra is way ahead. 40 or so seconds transform in 25% faster for Ultra. No consistency.
You can get more CPU, ram, storage, and a long list of other things in a PC. What I can't get is the same environment for building software. It'd be interesting for y'all to talk to some software engineers and offer to build a rig for them.
You can still run MacOS on PC also, you can upgrade PC, keep the shell relevant for 20 years this will stop receiving updates in 10, software in 5 It's Apple
So if going from 1 to 2 tb of storage is $500, could you just use a thunderbolt port to do an external 2tb nvme drive for half the cost? Or will it not recognize any external high-speed storage?
Considering Mac in the more recent years has never been marketed as a gaming system but instead for productivity and things like art, engineering and video editing, it makes sense
I have to use an M1 iMac at work, it's a stuttering mess in Photoshop. Trying to use the brush tool on a mask is an exercise in frustration as your brush tool cursor turns into a spinning beach ball every 2-3 seconds. The lack of connectivity is ridiculous - who thought a modern desktop would only need 2 thunderbolt ports and nothing else? No ethernet even??
The M1 is an awesome piece of hardware. Sadly, it's packaged by Apple in a way that's just unacceptable to me. No upgrade paths, basically not repairable at all and Apple's walled garden in general is just a no-go for me. So, the only hope is that the M1's design inspires Intel, AMD and nVidia a bit.
in a way its that very packaging tat allows for the performance to be so impressive. however the ssd upgrade prices on the m1 macs are a massive dealbreaker for me
When you have something so versatile in a PC, Apple should be taking this on board. you can get better performance with more compatibility and cost dramatically less, All your paying for is the brand, we're talking about the same company that sold wheels for $750!
@@valuehunter5544 No, it's really not the packaging that makes it so fast. It's the packaging that allows for that high price (the Ultra shown here is $6000 after all). On the hardware side of things, you could get identical performance without soldering the SSD in, without making a case that's just not designed to be opened, etc. etc... without basically doing everything you can to make the hardware unmaintainable by the user. This thing is designed to be replaced, not to be repaired. That's what Apple has been doing for ages now with very few exceptions... and it has nothing to do with the performance. The inability to swap out the SSD, again, highlights unnecessary restrictions on the software side: Even if you use another "Apple-approved" SSD, the OS will not play along. There's no reason on the performance side of things for that. Apple could also not do their worst to keep the user from installing other OSs on their hardware. Sure, other OSs might perform worse (or better), but that alone just is not a good reason for that restriction to exist. The only reason for that is that Apple wants you to stay in their walled garden with their hardware. I could go on, but I don't think there's a need, really. Apple's behavior in this regard has been discussed by far more insightful people than me for decades now, as it's nothing new.
@@MR-vg7yn yeah i was talking more along the lines of software optimisation and tight integration, but you're right most of the stuff they do is pure corporate greed.
IMO, for productivity a PC (I mean, just a Ryzen...or a 12700 intel) is more than fine (and a tad cheaper, it's rare to need more than an average gaming PC for actual graphic/audio work).
Of course you have to look at legacy options too. In 5 years the Apple will be $3999 on the used market, meanwhile the equivalent (performance-wise) used PC will be $3.99.
15:44 Thanks so much for saying that--Exactly why I will never use any Apple stuff, Mac or iPhone, because their attitude has always been “we genius and you idiots, obey our regulations of the machine”. I felt more like I was renting more than buying an iPhone. Those stuff made me so mad that I'm never using them again. One day a relative gifted me an iPhone...and I sold it and buy an Android. So not really surprising Mac is in a similar situation. It's fun to watch the bench and comparison and explanation though.
It really isn't fair to compare the MacBook Pro with a 14" or 16" to the Studio with the 27" 5K Studio display. The fact that the MBP costs nearly the same for a screen that is significantly smaller and lower resolution is only balanced by the portability (the MBPs only advantage) if you require the portability. I personally have the Studio and the MBP and use them for different tasks. Most of the rest of your observations are fair, though.
The main argument they should’ve gone with is ironically power draw. That’s a huge deal and also kind of throws a wrench into the anti nft/crypto mining argument.
Eve Online is borderline impossible to benchmark. Just being near a star system with a massive fleet battle ongoing will tank your own FPS even if there's no one else in your system. The game has some massive issues. On the upside, massive fleet battles don't happen often.
I think your PugetBench Premiere results are off for the PC system. My guess is that it was connected to a monitor with some sort of adaptive sync enabled, or even just generic V-Sync. This can reduce the live playback score pretty dramatically since the framerate won’t be able to go beyond 60fps (assuming the monitor is 60Hz). For instance, I ran PugetBench on one of our workstations (i9-12900K + RTX 3080, nothing OC’d) and initially got a score of 1164. Once I realized that something was up with the live playback subsection, I ran it again with G-Sync turned off and it scored 1443. This seems to be in line with other similar systems when browsing results in PugetBench’s online database. So I would imagine that your PC testbench should score more around 1500, not 1126. Overall great video though! Really have been enjoying Anthony’s hosting and analysis.
This might be the best Mac review LTT has done in years. Congrats Anthony 👏 I agree with Anthony about the value proposition of the Mac Studio. Mac Studio is only a good value if you already have a monitor, keyboard and mouse. Which is why I'm excited for the eventual M(whatever generation we'll be on by then) Max and Ultra iMac (iMac Pro?). iMacs have traditionally always cost less than the cost of a Mac mini with similar specs + a similar class display to what iMacs have, and iMacs tend to include a mouse and keyboard in the box as well, which is why I think Apple should still keep making higher-end, bigger iMacs and iMac Pros. There's nothing wrong with the existence of the Mac Studio, there are enough unique reasons and selling points for it to be offered in Apple's Mac lineup. But I would still like Apple to continue making pro iMacs, for people who appreciate and value the polish, and the value proposition of Apple's all-in-ones more (even if the brains of the computer are attached to the monitor). PS. I would also love to see how ProRes video exports perform when we get the PCIe slot-equipped Apple silicon Mac Pro, you guys should throw something like a Honey Badger in there, I'm curious about how much Apple's ProRes engines would flex their muscles if we eliminated all of the SSD bottlenecks.
The only argument against School Choice is that the government could start forcing private schools curriculum. There could be stings attached if a school decides to accept government vouchers.
No, Firaxis isn't intending to "fix" Civilization VI. The Devs basically said that yeah, we're not updating Civ anymore, goodbye. Their franchise is one of the longest-running strategy-style games. But the Devs either don't know or don't care about balancing the gameplay either. Also it's extremely buggy, especially for the epic games version. Also it's a total nightmare to install mods on the Epic Games version.
I have the m1 max for remote editing. I had a powerful Lenovo before and it weighed a tonne, thermal throttled and I couldn't edit without power for prolonged periods of time. IM glad I got the m1 max. however I am building a desktop pc to do AI and other advanced stuff the Macs can't do.
Everytime I hear M1 Ultra, it makes me think of MK Ultra, idk if that's just me, or Apple didn't really think about the naming scheme o-o it might just be me though..
how to benchmark Eve Online? Easy. Spectate M2-XFE blunder. If you can get to do it without crashing, that's a job well done or, basically any battle that involved maxed TiDi
Has anyone ever tried to play second life with the M1 Ultra while using the “Firestorm viewer “? Firestorm uses “Fmod, kakadu havok and vivox” software
Here for this comment!!! I remember when this dude was so shy Linus had to push it in front of a camera and he was so smart but so awkward. But finally, here he is, better than never.
I really wish you guys would start doing benchmarks for the audio crowd. Testing DAW performance. Edit: but also thank you for everything you guys already do!
For audio it mostly boils down to this: Can you afford a Mac? If yes it's your best bet - their drivers are just that good. (and that's coming from someone who doesn't like Apple)
@@LinusTechTips Woo! It would be nice to see discussion of MADI PCI-E interfaces, and edge use cases (Endless Analog's CLASP tape machine syncing, for example) and how they work with 2020s machines.
Small suggestion: I know your graphs always include a "lower/higher is better" legend. But if you'd somehow visualy represent which is better, it would be way easier to grasp the data quickly. Something like having the "better" side green or whatever.
@@dallinsonntag3160 it is not about boosting views, it is about making better quality content, small intuitive things make a lot of difference, you may not think about it but it does for a lot of people, i watch linus tech tip's videos in things im not even interested in just because it is fun to watch, like home appliances, why would i want to watch some guy build his house, because it's just fun, that's how intuitive it already is, so proving my point that adding small things over time pile up to make better content for everyone
At ~4:20, I experience the artifacts you are referencing on my PC version of that fight as well. The fight had some recent bugs that I am told are fixed now, but I haven't been able to verify. I have been experiencing those buildings disappearing since day 1 of the raid. This is not just a Mac issue.
Maybe it only showed up for them during the PC testing since they can only comment on what they see and it wouldn't be too surprising given how potty Apple Silicon CPU's integrated GPUs are that they would have weird and bespoke graphical glitching.
Yeah there are a lot of people in my raid team who also saw that pillar in particular flickering in and out and it seemed to be based on camera position and angle
That boss in World of Warcraft was bugged recently with the assets blinking in and out of existence. I experienced it on PC, so can't be sure that it was the Mac's issue.
Was going to comment this, it’s still broken now, one of the only fights with this kind of glitch currently in the game, very unlucky LTT, good review as always however!
@David V Sure you run all those but it doesn't mean you know what a slanted review looks like. - Me: the guy who has a m1 laptop and gaming pc with windows and a linux vm running on it.
Anthony is really good at reacting on the fly and his overall hardware and software knowledge is good enough that he can improvise as necessary, which is a very useful skill for video hosting. He's also a very authentic personality, like many people at LMG, which makes his videos quite entertaining.
The biggest issue I have with M1 in general is that programs are either exceptionally performant or wildly behind Windows computers, and it all boils down to whether or not they're designed with M1 in mind. That wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that the speed at which developers have tried to optimize their programs for M1 has been so slow that, by the time Apple silicon is properly utilized, we'll be at M3 at the very least. Like the iPad Pro - it's a lot of power and not a lot of ways to use it.
@@Teluric2 unrealistic, it’s clear with apples own video editing software that the new technology can be optimised to get insane performance , editing 16 raw timelines at once with no lag is insane and mind blowing. it’s in its First gen but by gen 4 i think optimisation of the chip will be done and the true power can be unleashed
@@Teluric2 You can see in this video that Applications and workloads developed specifically to run on this specific ARM hardware run exponentially better and faster than their windows counter parts, its not the chip/architecture it is literally just developers lagging behind (as always) to push updated app versions (which in some cases is understandable because it may require a complete application rewrite but still its been damn near 3 years). It. Is. Not. The. Chip.
This comment seems really inaccurate? I can never tell if something is running on x86 or arm64, Rosetta does a pretty good job and I've never been able to tell the difference on my Mac.
The artifacting mentioned at 4:16 also occurs exactly the same way on my Ryzen + RTX 3080 machine running Windows. Anecdotal, but it may not be exclusive to the M1
@@josejuanandrade4439 seems to be a dx12 issue. My guild had to pause a glory run because it made some of the orbs needed for halondrus achievement disappear.
I'm really missing any testing on DPC latency on these systems. It's such a hidden specs that only comes into the picture for most people when they start making/playing music or anything that relies on real-time processing of data. And these Mac's aren't just targeted at video editors, but also music producers. 19ms round about latency is just enough to notice with audio. I know LTT isn't into making music and only does video stuff. But it's somewhat important as more people starting to use their computer for multimedia purposes, including streaming. Often wireless (because they can) and that's where the problems comes into the play: high DPC latency caused by either GPU or WiFi drivers. So please, start considering testing laptops and desktops systems on their DPC latencies!
I would also like to see some audio tests, even if very simple ones but for that you have to go to specialized channels, LTT generally only cares about gaming and a bit of video. Isn't that dependent on what audio interface you use? if you have a 4$k computer I assume you will have something like an RME, UAD Apollo, Apogee, etc... aka decent interface with very optimized drivers.
DPC latency is more of a function of the OS optimization and drivers than the hardware, In context of DAW's it's used more to resolve issues than to assess performance. About your 19ms remark, the DPC latency numbers are related to audio buffer size but they are not the same thing, any modern system today can go below 5ms latency round trip.
I'd certainly like to hear more about DPC latency with apple silicon. I imagine that the link between audio glitches in systems with the T2 security chip and USB2 audio devices would have shown itself in DPC latency results.
@@coolinmac Millions of people throughout the world make music. There are more people making music and owning a home studio than people editing videos. So... no one cares? Really?
Essentially the main thing bogging down Apple Silicon is the lack of third-party support. Really hoping that Apple start incentivizing devs to expedite M1 apps, because Rosetta isn't as near as fast as Apple claims
Apple's plan to incentivize app devs isn't likely to change from what it's more or less been since iPhone first released (possibly sooner). Push their stuff onto as many consumers as possible and sign exclusivity deals so app devs have to support it if they want to reach the largest possible user base. The reason iPhones are as common as they are is because of the way Apple pushed them onto the masses by making it more affordable to get their fancy phone (by paying monthly) when other manufacturers still expected people to buy their phones out right (which I always do). Of course now everyone does it this way but that is, from my understanding, a large part of how they got such a huge market share (they also used other forms of psychological warfare like making SMS an ugly green and encouraging that exclusivity (there's gotta be a better word) type of mindset).
The problem is that every time devs get used to a particular framework apple go and change everything on a whim, they have absolutely 0 regard for backward compatibility and its nearly impossible to keep up. This is how they lost the scientific computing market, used to be 10-15 years back you'd go to a conference and everyone would have macbooks but over time with Ubuntu becoming more user friendly and WSL-2 being genuinely very good, people just got fed up with accidently letting the OS update and finding all their open source software broken. Apple have been steadily painting themselves into a corner saved only by their brand image and an almost militant approach to exclusivity, that doesn't mix well with genuinely productive third party relationships.
Genuinely appreciate the breadth of coverage. A breath of fresh air after seeing everyone just cover video rendering and move on, as if everyone watching was doing just that.
I really hate that part about youtube reviews. I understand that it's their daily bread and what they understand, but it's kind of a bubble that probably not more than 0.01% of the audience is in. Cinebench is cool as a reliable multicore benchmark, but video encoding doesn't really give us a real world usage metric.
4:14 - That's an issue with the game, not the system. At certain camera positions large props like that tower can disappear. I can only assume why it happens, but I can tell you how to reliably reproduce it if you want. It happens on my system all the time (3600X, 2070S, B450 MB).
They brushed Anthony eyes brows. Hit him with some blush and warmed his face. Some roseyness on his lips might be a little much but I like his hair a lot better now . Overall 8/10 I'd smash.
Anthony is so freaking talented but I can’t stop worrying about his health when I see his videos. He’s on his way to an early grave and that would be a great loss.
Imagine something like GTA 6 getting ported to the Apple Ecosystem. They've got some serious performance with those CPU-Flash-GPU and their Semi-Native software in iOS/macOS Swift and Metal API are snazzy. With someone like Rockstar who spend years and do many optimisations, you could have XB1-level on an A11/iPhone Max, with XB1X-level on an A12Z/iPad Pro, with XsS-level on a M1/MacBook Air, with XsX-level on M1 Pro/MacBook Pro, and lastly Gaming PC-level with that M1 Max and M1 Ultra chipsets on the Mac Studio. Just imagine taking all your next-gen gaming with you wherever you are, without needing to Cloud Stream them. And it scaling up it's graphical fidelity depending on the thermal profile of your device. That would be so cool.
Id personally put the m1 against the 5950x for the compile test, that thing is consumer and a beast for compiling in my experience, then agin of youre talking about prosumer or professional workstations why not test it aginst a threadripper?
Yeah... But when you factor in the fact that the air cooler for the desktop is about 50% the size of the entire mac mini, it puts things into perspective.
No it doesn't. If you want a fast computer, get a fast computer. If you want a small computer get a small computer. And power draw is mostly irrelevant here for a desktop computer. You don't need to worry about battery life and if you're worried about the cost of electricity, don't buy a freaking 4k computer
@@StuermischeTage True... But a 5800X or a 5700X is fine for most 2D/3D tasks I know of (in middle range freelancing, or other pro work at a studio), ie, a 5600X - *Edit* : I meant 5700X- (same than 5600 in single core) already is as fast in Photoshop (it is mostly single core) as an intel i9 10900K, and it really uses very low energy (quite less than intel Alder Lake), around 65 watts. Of course, not the prodigy of low consumption of a Mac Studio, but one can get a decent PC work machine for around 1200 - 1400 euros. How many years would one need to recover the cost difference with a 5400 euros Mac, even if saving a lot of electricity cost? Even more... getting a laptop reduces by a lot the energy consumption. If your tasks are not super heavy, getting a (Windows) 12700 intel laptop, or one of the latest Ryzen 6800H laptops will get you a low consumption yet a very usable desktop replacement (if connected to an external monitor). Of course, not ideal for heavy tasks that need many cores during a long time (as a laptop has worse cooling, and it throttles; even a macbook pro has been reported to throttle), like 3D rendering. But fine for pretty much any other thing. It'd depend on each work's type of work load. Mostly on your professional profile, indeed. I know digital 2D artists (I'm one) can do very well with a good laptop + external good monitor.
so wonderfully thorough.. wtg.. loved that you figured out the one benchmark was faster because of the drive speed difference. i wish there was more coverage about ssd speed differences between current mac models and the size differences too, since apple only talks about the 8tb models and most reviewers spec out base model only.
Not only that but I think it should have been compared to compile time measured in a Linux distro more than in windows. The windows kernel is not really good for IO performance. Even more so with a lot of small files
Would love to see M1 benchmarks for industry level post-production software such as Avid Media Composer and Pro Tools. Don't think a single channel on UA-cam has done this yet.
They haven't, and none will unfortunately. It's realistically because no one who does UA-cam will ever touch Avid Media Composer (i can't speak to Pro Tools though). Media Composer is pretty strictly only ever used at industry level like you said. No one on UA-cam is operating at unscripted tv/scripted tv/feature film level. And any who would are young enough where they came up on FCPX, Premiere, and Resolve. I've used Media Composer on my M1 Pro Macbook Pro though and long as you have enough RAM (it still runs through Rosetta 2, Avid hasn't coded it natively for Apple Silicon yet) it runs almost perfectly fine. You very easily forget it's running through emulation. Avid did a big rewrite of Media Composer almost from the ground up with Media Composer 2020, so it's more streamlined to be able to run through emulation. Avid lists themself that if your system only has 16 GB of RAM to turn off certain features like the background phonetic indexer, since it running through Rosetta 2 has a RAM utilization cost, but otherwise it runs great especially if you have 32 GB+ of RAM.
Usually, on the industry-level software, you go through the corporate-level or enterprise customer service to ask for those numbers and benchmark on hardware.
As a real world test, editing content in FCP is insanely fast and efficient, my short form verticals export in mere seconds. It’s nutty for video creators
the only people that would need to spend 4k on a productivity machine. graphics people...maybe, but could get by with less. everyday people who might use a mac laptop of some sort who are jsut pushing excel sheets around, won't need to spend this much. So basically, they've made a machine with potentially/theoretically the power to run games as well, but due to being dumb about how they support stuff, basically made a machine only video editors should buy. How does Apple even exist.
My work laptop is an HP zbook with a RTX 3000 and vs my personal m1 pro laptop, which honestly is a bit more modern and more expensive, but the main impact is none of the weird hitches the windows laptop has without any clear performance bottleneck, they both behave differently, even when I'm doing very low-impact stuff like editing lower-res files in photoshop. The mac is of course pushing more pixels with the internal display too, and I've never once turned the speakers up to override fan noise.
As said before, Apple's sillicon is a great breakthrough without a doubt, however what makes them great is their weakness: having a computer that I use for work with a single point of failure for RAM, CPU and GPU is a no go for my needs (other people mileage may vary) Same for the mac only SSD.
But doesn't the fact that it's an SoC mostly prevent such elements (which are no longer separate components) to fail? Like, when did your phone or tablet's CPU, GPU and RAM last fail you?
Not only that. The silicon itself is kinda too specific. If anything even if minimal changes. It will depends in its CPU cores which are kinda week for general purposes
Everybody: So what's wrong with OpenGL exactly? Apple: No! Everybody: Is it because you want to force your proprietary API on users and developers for even more control? Apple: No! Everybody: Refusing to support open standards doesn't exactly help getting ports to your platform. Apple: No! Everybody: So you agree? Apple: No! Everybody: How about Vulcan? Apple: No! Everybody: Can you say anything else? Apple: No! Everybody: Maybe you could support DirectX? Apple: Hell, no! Everybody: Got you! Apple: No!
I get your point, but to be fair: OpenGL is supported up to openGL 4.1 (no support for bindless textures, SSBO or DSA). So it's kinda okays I guess. Apple needed something that runs on AppleTV, MacOS and iOS - that's where Metal came into play (2014), initial release of Vulkan was 2016... So, u can work with openGL (till "2010 gaphics"), use moltenVK for Vulkan or get along with Metal. We use openGL for your crossplattform project.
LTT, I have said it before, I love me some Anthony performance breakdown vids. It is fun, calming (linus) and informative. Can't wait for the new vids from the new department!
Honestly, I'm tired of this narrow set of software that video creators use being described as the standard for "productivity software." I'd like to see you guys benchmark some of the "productivity" software that gets used by a greater picture of the world. Go talk to the guys you're hiring for Labs; they use that stuff. Run Solidworks and Autodesk's software. Run some CFD simulations. Have them talk to some of their friends still in the engineering industry and work out the chance with some companies to test other softwares that run the world. If they don't work on Apple Silicon, then that's a goose egg that has to be recorded. Then go try them on Parallels and see how that compares to their native Windows x86 versions. Talk to different industries that do intense computer work I can't even imagine and see if they can run well (or at all) on ARM Apple Silicon. I'm willing to be surprised. But I also want to see a picture that isn't perfectly tailored to being reviewed by the people most likely to be using the software Apple excels at.
Sadly you can't run a x86 Windows in Parallels on M1. It's a limitation of rosetta which doesn't permit x86 virtualization... and it's a pain in the butt to get a nice windows for ARM version right now.
Worked at 4 game studios. Might be coincidence, but in the four of them we always got PCs (with Windows) as the workstations to use. Obviously properly configured in RAM, CPU, GPU, etc. I'm guessing that it is because while most of the essential software (several 3D apps don't have a mac version) has a version on Mac OS, a bunch don't, and as the PC runs currently professional software just the same, why take the risk that in the middle of a project you need to use sth Windows-only. In a stressful environment like it is game production, I noticed bosses want to minimize "surprises". Specially the case for a bunch of utilities, libraries, plugins, etc, very key in production, that often don't count on a Mac version. At several companies, an amazing show stopper was that there never existed (that I know off, and I started with 3DS for DOS in the 90s !) a Mac version of 3D Studio (many studios do not work with Maya). But that was not the only windows-only "main" app.
Or the gazillion companies (much more work of that in my area than games...) that require (yes or yes, it's made clear already in the offers) 3D Studio + Vray for architecture renders.
Indeed. LTT reviews are so "i live in my parents basement" hobby grade. They start with testing gaming on a workstation machine, and then head into every test that isn't yet M1 ready. It's dumb, and basically undermines all their credibility. What I want to know is a review of broad business software. Scientific computing, developer toolchains, math processing, AI training. What I can tell you after buying 10 M1 Macbook pros for our developers is their compilation times are 300-400% faster than their (new) i7 laptop, and 2X faster than the best intel box you can buy. It saves the average developer 45 min a day in compile wait times. That is real world value, and makes back the cost of the machines in weeks. Not all software is optimized, but my 3D renderer is 30% faster than my i7 even running intel software in emulation. The potential as software gets ported and optimized is amazing.
@@arronjames9484 "2X faster than the best intel box you can buy" . I don't get it. Do you mean mac intel's (what were those, 8th or 9th gen? I think no mac intel is past 10th gen, while in Windows it's close to be released the 13th). I hope you don't mean Alder Lake 12th gen on a Windows machine. Do you mean that a M1 Macbook is faster compiling than a 12900KS desktop :o ? I very much doubt that, unless there's some bug in the code to compile that avoids proper comparison. As this wouldn't match with the 100% cases of benchmarks I've seen produced testing together the M1 Mac Studio (Ultra and Max) (so, even more powerful) with just a 12700 (let alone a 12900ks). Yep, just checking now... The 12700 desktop (not 12700h laptop) is significantly faster in all benchmarks than M1 (but not 2x or 3x). The gap is much bigger with a 12900K. I would agree that in laptops it might be different (still, I very much doubt a M1 is faster than a 12900HX laptop in all benchmarks, in a config of similar memory amount, etc). I have seen some full benchmarks, covering many fields/applications, and I'd give it to you that particularly in _certain type_ of compilation was faster the M1 vs a *_laptop_* 12900HX (but certainly not "300% faster", not even 2x). But... in every other regard, app and etc the 12900HX proved to be much faster. I mean, in laptops I'd be to admit it is at least debatable. Even more, probably in specific workflows the M1 might be faster than any Windows laptop for that task (I doubt again the 300% ratio, with a top Alder Lake laptop). But an M1 compared to the top Alder Lake _desktop_ (12900K or 12900KS)... sorry, but it's not like that, it's not even close (again, unless it is a very specific type of compilation severely bugged for intel compilation). And...besides that, if it's for tasks that benefit from multiple cores, a top AMD's Threadripper will end any render so much faster than anything else (other than a render farm) that there's not even competition.
So the Mac is a somewhat better option for my editing station, albeit with varying results from different tasks. But if you do any gaming, PC is the only option. Apple are really limiting their demographic there.
Yeah that's the sad part, PC is very flexible markets it to alot of targets gamers, creators and so on. While Apple only targets the creative and business market. Hopefully one day they can make something for gamers and other parts of the tech community.
We have a couple of these at work, and it's inconsistent to say the least. Sometimes it absolutely crushes it on render times, while others it pales in comparison to a 2017 iMac pro. Really wish Windows was compatible with Apple ProRes, then I wouldn't be forced to use Apple
Wait, couldn't you also make compile benchmarks compiling for the same architecture? I mean otherwise this lead could be architecture specific using different optimization flags or even ignoring parts of the code because of architecture specific macros.
They're running Intel native code on the Mac and the Intel machine is still getting thrashed at 10% of the power draw. in 3 more Mchip iterations, it'll be worth it.
I am no Mac fanboy, but _damn_ that power draw is impressive. Makes the rumoured 40 series GPUs look even more ridiculous now.
except a dedicated GPU is more powerful in general, it does way more, there's a reason why dedicated cards are quite large, SoC haven't hit the capability yet
Um, no. Maybe if Apple silicon could compare in performance to those GPUs, but we're not even close.
would be interesting comparing the system Power consumption with a lower tier gpu, something with the performance of Apple silicon. that i9 is hungry for sure, but the gpu eats a lot too!
We had a massive hike in power prices where I live last July, and the power draw alone is enough for me to not even bother considering a 40 series GPU. I'd be paying more for power than I pay for rent just running that damn thing.
I'd care if it was a laptop 😂, a prius might get good mpg compared to its 0-60 but its still slow and that's not what people that care about 0-60 look at
Yay! Anthony video! I feel like I haven't seen him awhile. Probably cause he was preparing this review.
Was thinking the same 😊
Was preparing his brows
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He’s looking fresh like a newly budding flower 🌸
How can you miss him? Lol
The assets dissapearing in WoW is a common problem, i experience it sometimes too. Doubt it's related to Mac.
Only time I've noticed it was on setups that were Linux or Mac native systems, or Windows systems with some non-up to date drivers. The Linux users even managed to patch the glitching themselves with their witchcraft.
I've never had that issue in windows. And i use a huge array of pcs. Everything from nvidia to amd, and even play on laptops and desktops with igpus. Never seen that. I could list you all the diferent configurations of pcs but we've be here all day lol.
have you ever talked to a girl without giving your credit card number first
@@babaganoosh7020 caption if the week 🤣
I would love to see how engineering workloads like spice, matlab, numpy, and CAD, perform on the mac.
i think so as well, all ML-Stuff, recently pytorch added supports for gpu on M1 which is really nice because of all that unified memory, you could really nice prototyp some DeepLearning on the m1
Probably not too well, unfortunately
@@dzjuben2794 depends a lot on the workload, if your doing tasks that are very bandwidth heavy the massive bandwidth that the M1 Max/Ultra have for the GPU alone is very impressive and if your using a build of Numpy/SciPi that uses the AMX units then you also have a LOT of extra unto 8 TFLops of FP32 and 4TFLops FP 64 (and I think 1 TFLOP fp80) for matrix ops.
The massive memory bandwidth and rather large on die cache can make a massive difference in data sci workflows were one is very commonly matching hashes, joining and filtering. things were the raw compute cycles is a tiny fraction of the work compared to pumping data through the pipe.
Right now matlab and simulink run very poorly, especially simulink. Matlab should be getting an apple silicon update in 2023a, but simulink probably won't get updated for quite some time. Solidworks runs fine on my m1 pro via parallels, but not noticeably different from the m1 macbook air. Fusion should be getting an AS update soon, so that should be interesting to see.
@@alexstubbings_ For sure apps that have not been updated in this space like matLab etc are not good. But the python data-sci space is now finally fully native stack and is looking very good.
Developer here with the angry (not really) comment. My primary complaint/issue would be comparing the M1 Ultra against the 12900K instead of the 5950X. Which is actually kinda the complaint I'd have in general. Per LTT's own review, the 5950X was the stronger overall "productivity" CPU. Given the focus of the M1 Max & Ultra, it then seems odd to use the 12900K instead of the 5950X.
I think it is because apple used the 12900k as a comparison for the M1 Ultra. But yeah, here it should be "fastest 4k$ pc vs M1 Ultra", so a 5950x would make sense.
It's not called AMD extreme makeover.
I want a full amd build comparison. While intel's cpu might be slightly faster, it's much more efficient. Power usage would show it's true potential. Also, I have yet to see benchmarks for amd's HIP support in blender.
Dont agree, with the lower idle power the 12900K and better in almost everything compared to the 5950 (performance, boards, PCIe) is for sure the better value for developers. But in the end both are the same league. Just as the Ultra is, except for the price league where it is unbelievable 300% more expensive, and 2500 against 7000 Euro hurts.
I imagine despite the audience of the M1 Max/Ultra equipped machines, the viewers of the channel are predominantly consumers
I'm glad you mentioned the suitability for hot climates because this is often glossed over in the reviews. Living in Brazil, an Intel notebook in a small room with second display and intensive usage means that I need AC on almost all the time if I want to be comfortable in the room, while using a M1 machine is as if it was nothing. This was one of the main reasons why I switched from a Dell XPS 13 to a Macbook Air M1
Same. Here in Phoenix, AZ where it has already hit 114F(44.5C) this summer, my gaming PC will heat up an entire room noticeably hotter than the rest of the house and besides the PCs own power consumption, the AC runs harder further raising the power bill.
Yet, with my M1 Max I can literally work on it outside*. My heavier workloads consist of running Altium(EDA software for PCB design) or PathWave ADS/EMpro for EM field solving, in Windows 11(Parallels VM).
*Why work outside? When my kids are swimming/playing in the yard.
O difícil é comprar da Apple com o dólar a 5 conto e a Apple vendendo por quase o dobro do valor da conversão direta
For video encode you probably want to test Intel's QuickSync too, because it should handle weird stuff like 2:3 a lot better than the notoriously constrained NVENC.
@@Prophes0r Nope, a lot of businesses and people use them for VoDs. For example UA-cam. It's all hardware. Yes CPU encoding is better (by far less that the 95% you quoted, more like probably 20-30%, also you are comparing H265 and H264 and the same QP values wich are different for every encoder which is bullsh*it) and should be preferred, but that only holds true as long as you have the time and the resources (more like a Netflix use case, where you don't have that much content but everything is being watched a lot), if you are in a hurry or have terabytes of content it's basically all you've got. Hell Intel just announced a GPU for for example CDNs called arctic sound m and google builds similar hardware themselves for UA-cam. Similarly many content creator, especially on the go, use QuickSync to not wait for ages. (Remember especially with QuickSync there's parameters and presets you can tweak to make it look better than the default settings)
I don't think NVENC was really ever meant to be more than a decent way to stream content consumed on the same PC at a relatively low cost. For offline rendering it doesn't really seem worth it to sacrifice the image quality (unless that's somehow different, I never really used NVENC for that purpose).
@@MLWJ1993 Well that is only a fair point as long as you don't have any pressure on time (certain delivery dates for example) in that case you just crank up the bitrate by a few percent and you're fine (for offline usage the tradeoff isn't quality usually but just size).
@@cromefire_ It's not like CPU encoding takes enormous amounts of time either (unless you really go ham on both the quality preset & bitrate).
Maybe relevant if you own a dated CPU though.
@@MLWJ1993 Well if you go for x264 fast or so (when it'll be fast) hardware might actually be a better quality and if you go for slower x264 you can also use hardware h265. Of course you could also use x265 then, but x265 is way slower (and everything is amplified on mobile). And you can do the same logic for VP9 and (soon, when Arc is out one day) AV1 which will get you even better quality and even lower speed, software AV1 is < 1fps with 16 Cores and a bunch of RAM.
For that price, would it make sense to compare it to a Threadripper 5000 series? Would be interesting to see how ARM compares to both "x86" vendors.
Also x265 is quite performant on Radeon cards so also interesting to compare both GPU vendors
yeah configuring smth similar with a threadripper clearly is the more fair test. BUT apple claims to be faster than there 12900k so they gotta test it agains tthat
Thanks for taking on this difficult task! I was super nervous when the ultra came out that my fully built 5950X and 3080 Ti was obsolete. This makes me feel much better about my render machine's solid performance... Just wish adobe would optimize for Zen 3.
Just use Davinci and never go back lol
The reasons are entirely self evident and obvious. He literally said "render machine". Plus it's a joke
Just because a newer model comes out doesn't mean your current model suddenly becomes bad.
@@joshuareveles vinci doesn’t have good support for Ryzens
@@starrims says who? I’ve seen countless high end editing rigs run flawlessly with Davinci
I truly cannot overstate how utterly incredible that power draw is. Especially in a world with fast increasing electricity costs. I’m a video editor who uses Final Cut Pro and the Adobe suite, so i’m SO pumped for Apple Silicon.
I'd be curious to see an underclocked pc Vs Mac on power draw. if intel have shown us anything, it's half of your power is going in to the last few percent points of performance
This, all day, every day. 12900k is definitely a quick chip but, its power budget and money budget are way in excess of what most would need. A lower priced, lower power chip could yield some deeply interesting stuff. Half the price of the PC and run it stock and see where you stand. Probably 85% of the performance for half the cost. It is all well and good and makes good videos when you test the crazy expensive against the crazy expensive but most cannot come close to affording that. The priority of entertainment over information needs to change. I'd be very happy to see more realistic stuff with a conclusion saying... This is twice the price of this but you'd be mental to buy the more expensive one as you can get most of the performance and buy a second one for giggles for the same price.
true. a 12700k would be more than enough, still 8 pcores just half the ecores (4). and im not sure how usefull those 8 ecores are. but most of the power budget goes to turbo boost from ~4.3 to 5 and 5.2 ghz. with carefull settings in the bios, you can have most if not all of the performance and way lower power consumption. but, again they compare cpus as they come from the factory so, meh. m1 would still win in power draw but the difference wouldn't be so dramatic. but for the gpu, there is not much they can do...
Well just go look at pc laptops then.
Always awesome, Anthony.
I’m glad to see you tested Macs in environments with software that they are used for or at least have been known to be used for. Intensive audio processing in multitrack studio applications or just high resolution Wacom Cintique digital painting are where my semi pro interests lie.
I’d personally love it if you could add music production as a benchmark, whether that’s in ableton or Logic Pro.
Second this. I’d love to see how many plugins/tracks in Logic the M1 Ultra can handle. I am sure it’s absolutely insane.
Same, music production is the least talked about tech-related field and it just gets ignored constantly. lmfao. Speaking of Ableton tho, given the way it assigns threads per-track, It'd probably do really well, but i don't see it out-performing heavily hypertreaded processors like the 5900x/5950x or the 12700k/12900k as the extra threads really count when you're loading up as many tracks as possible. I'd love to see that comparison
Ableton is so light I'm not sure how you'd benchmark it without dozens and dozens of VSTs. My '08 Mac Pro is my music workstation, and it has never stuttered or gone above 20% CPU, even on full-album projects with 50+ tracks. Even my 2gb MBP runs Live extremely well.
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning yeah I think the best way to test cpu performance would be large amounts of high number, full polyphony synths like phase plant, serum, or Omnisphere. I've got a ryzen 5 3600 based system and I can easily get 64+ tracks with moderate polyphony but it'll cap out if I take Pigments and increase the granular voices to 256. Lmao. It's not a perfect methodology but the bones are there for a solid test of raw cpu grunt
M1 max handles digital performer and Omnisphere like a champ
The power useage when M1 MAx is in the 16" MacBook is the key, no loss of performance when not plugged in and at least twice the battery life of any PC laptop, and in some cases three times, and as a result of the low power no fan noise and it stays cool on your lap, even when editing 4k Video and rendering, its movie making heaven.
Movie making heaven at half speed
As a developer that has both a Mac mini and a windows laptop I can say that I like the quietness on the Mac, but there are some features on there that require downloading through its kernel or through visual studio terminal which is fine, but I prefer grabbing my code wherever I go rather than leaving it at home and come back so I can continue it. Who knows, maybe I have an idea I wanna do, I just seem to use my laptop more and no not much difference between platforms in compiling speed (as a front end and Java developer)
By the way! the WoW visual artifacting on that fight occurs on windows too, it's a pretty major bug introduced in a recent patch somehow, and kills you a decent amount in that raid fight!
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Thanks for a great review with attention to detail and depth of knowledge. A fair and square battle between the titans pc & mac. Really enjoyed it. I expected to see faster read/write speeds for the ssds on the 12 gen intel pc. Aprox 20% faster. Perhaps the ssd class was a bit low for this config.
When the time difference is low, you use percentage like Apple to make it seem that M1 Ultra is way ahead. 40 or so seconds transform in 25% faster for Ultra. No consistency.
You can get more CPU, ram, storage, and a long list of other things in a PC. What I can't get is the same environment for building software. It'd be interesting for y'all to talk to some software engineers and offer to build a rig for them.
You can still run MacOS on PC
also, you can upgrade PC, keep the shell relevant for 20 years
this will stop receiving updates in 10, software in 5
It's Apple
You are not paying Anthony enough. What a star.
Bro I’m concerned for your health
Just what every Mac user needs, world of Warcraft benchmarks.
So if going from 1 to 2 tb of storage is $500, could you just use a thunderbolt port to do an external 2tb nvme drive for half the cost? Or will it not recognize any external high-speed storage?
External SSDs work great. Not quite as fast as internal but still plenty fast.
Anthony, the walking knowledgebase.....just incredible....I love his reviews, I never miss a Anthony review
Great video as always. Never not happy to see Anthony popping up again.
Anthony is okay, but I prefer watching Linus...
How could you know? Didn’t even have time to watch it yet.
@@speedysam0624 It's called being a like beggar.
@@speedysam0624 It's like a sixth sense. If I see Anthony, I know it will be an S-tier video.
Anthony is officially a celebrity in the tech community
Idk why, Anthony, but you look different! I like it man, lookin good!
Died his eyebrows?
You cheese puff
Studio makeup?
I think they upped the cgi budget to render Anthony.
@@JoeSchmo747-t2c Oh, so this is A.I.nthony
Considering Mac in the more recent years has never been marketed as a gaming system but instead for productivity and things like art, engineering and video editing, it makes sense
PLEASE BRING BACK SCRAPYARD WARS it was my favorite bit of content you've done and literally was like a damn Hulu show
the reason there is no difference in encoding is due the fact encoding is done in ASIC and not in regular cores.
With my hoodie - compiling chromium on x64 is very different than doing so on arm
I have to use an M1 iMac at work, it's a stuttering mess in Photoshop. Trying to use the brush tool on a mask is an exercise in frustration as your brush tool cursor turns into a spinning beach ball every 2-3 seconds. The lack of connectivity is ridiculous - who thought a modern desktop would only need 2 thunderbolt ports and nothing else? No ethernet even??
The compiling benchmark is completely invalid if you build for different target architectures
Yoo I can confirm this artifacting at 4:20 is happening on PC aswell...
18:37 The Gorgeous white Phanteks Eclipse P600S ( on the floor ), my baby
The M1 is an awesome piece of hardware. Sadly, it's packaged by Apple in a way that's just unacceptable to me. No upgrade paths, basically not repairable at all and Apple's walled garden in general is just a no-go for me.
So, the only hope is that the M1's design inspires Intel, AMD and nVidia a bit.
in a way its that very packaging tat allows for the performance to be so impressive. however the ssd upgrade prices on the m1 macs are a massive dealbreaker for me
When you have something so versatile in a PC, Apple should be taking this on board. you can get better performance with more compatibility and cost dramatically less, All your paying for is the brand, we're talking about the same company that sold wheels for $750!
@@valuehunter5544 No, it's really not the packaging that makes it so fast. It's the packaging that allows for that high price (the Ultra shown here is $6000 after all).
On the hardware side of things, you could get identical performance without soldering the SSD in, without making a case that's just not designed to be opened, etc. etc... without basically doing everything you can to make the hardware unmaintainable by the user.
This thing is designed to be replaced, not to be repaired. That's what Apple has been doing for ages now with very few exceptions... and it has nothing to do with the performance.
The inability to swap out the SSD, again, highlights unnecessary restrictions on the software side: Even if you use another "Apple-approved" SSD, the OS will not play along. There's no reason on the performance side of things for that.
Apple could also not do their worst to keep the user from installing other OSs on their hardware. Sure, other OSs might perform worse (or better), but that alone just is not a good reason for that restriction to exist.
The only reason for that is that Apple wants you to stay in their walled garden with their hardware.
I could go on, but I don't think there's a need, really. Apple's behavior in this regard has been discussed by far more insightful people than me for decades now, as it's nothing new.
@@MR-vg7yn yeah i was talking more along the lines of software optimisation and tight integration, but you're right most of the stuff they do is pure corporate greed.
I’ll take the option to build/fix/upgrade my build myself and stick with PC
Nice makeup Anthony :)
What about the newest AMD chip? For 'productivity' would a Threadripper not be the competition?
IMO, for productivity a PC (I mean, just a Ryzen...or a 12700 intel) is more than fine (and a tad cheaper, it's rare to need more than an average gaming PC for actual graphic/audio work).
I think that the main problem with gaming is that not as many games are optimized for M1
We all learn differently, I watched, attempted and fucked up, now I’ve watched again, attempted and hopefully won’t fuck up... as much
I'm not sure about a benchmark for EVE, but I can say even on a base m1pro, it's run beautifully smooth at all maxed out graphics.
There's something funky about your makeup today. Can't really tell where.
Usually Anthony has a raw appeal going for him.
Today he almost looks like an - airbrushed beauty kween ... I prefer the former tbh .
I cant watch him since this.
Of course you have to look at legacy options too. In 5 years the Apple will be $3999 on the used market, meanwhile the equivalent (performance-wise) used PC will be $3.99.
15:44 Thanks so much for saying that--Exactly why I will never use any Apple stuff, Mac or iPhone, because their attitude has always been “we genius and you idiots, obey our regulations of the machine”. I felt more like I was renting more than buying an iPhone. Those stuff made me so mad that I'm never using them again. One day a relative gifted me an iPhone...and I sold it and buy an Android. So not really surprising Mac is in a similar situation. It's fun to watch the bench and comparison and explanation though.
Performance is one thing, compatibility is more the issue
It really isn't fair to compare the MacBook Pro with a 14" or 16" to the Studio with the 27" 5K Studio display. The fact that the MBP costs nearly the same for a screen that is significantly smaller and lower resolution is only balanced by the portability (the MBPs only advantage) if you require the portability. I personally have the Studio and the MBP and use them for different tasks. Most of the rest of your observations are fair, though.
I can almost surely say that the artifacting experienced is a result of running wow in dx12
The main argument they should’ve gone with is ironically power draw. That’s a huge deal and also kind of throws a wrench into the anti nft/crypto mining argument.
I'd like to see a compilation comparison with a AMD thread ripper
Eve Online is borderline impossible to benchmark. Just being near a star system with a massive fleet battle ongoing will tank your own FPS even if there's no one else in your system. The game has some massive issues. On the upside, massive fleet battles don't happen often.
I read the thumbnail as “MK Ultra” lol
I think your PugetBench Premiere results are off for the PC system. My guess is that it was connected to a monitor with some sort of adaptive sync enabled, or even just generic V-Sync. This can reduce the live playback score pretty dramatically since the framerate won’t be able to go beyond 60fps (assuming the monitor is 60Hz).
For instance, I ran PugetBench on one of our workstations (i9-12900K + RTX 3080, nothing OC’d) and initially got a score of 1164. Once I realized that something was up with the live playback subsection, I ran it again with G-Sync turned off and it scored 1443. This seems to be in line with other similar systems when browsing results in PugetBench’s online database. So I would imagine that your PC testbench should score more around 1500, not 1126.
Overall great video though! Really have been enjoying Anthony’s hosting and analysis.
This might be the best Mac review LTT has done in years. Congrats Anthony 👏
I agree with Anthony about the value proposition of the Mac Studio. Mac Studio is only a good value if you already have a monitor, keyboard and mouse. Which is why I'm excited for the eventual M(whatever generation we'll be on by then) Max and Ultra iMac (iMac Pro?). iMacs have traditionally always cost less than the cost of a Mac mini with similar specs + a similar class display to what iMacs have, and iMacs tend to include a mouse and keyboard in the box as well, which is why I think Apple should still keep making higher-end, bigger iMacs and iMac Pros.
There's nothing wrong with the existence of the Mac Studio, there are enough unique reasons and selling points for it to be offered in Apple's Mac lineup. But I would still like Apple to continue making pro iMacs, for people who appreciate and value the polish, and the value proposition of Apple's all-in-ones more (even if the brains of the computer are attached to the monitor).
PS. I would also love to see how ProRes video exports perform when we get the PCIe slot-equipped Apple silicon Mac Pro, you guys should throw something like a Honey Badger in there, I'm curious about how much Apple's ProRes engines would flex their muscles if we eliminated all of the SSD bottlenecks.
this review seems nothing different than their other reviews on the Mac. they always do a great job...
@@AndrewPL5 They don't, the others were nowhere near this detailed.
@@utubekullanicisi they typically are.
@@AndrewPL5 Yes, they typically are very superficial.
@@utubekullanicisi I mean it's a tech entertainment channel
The only argument against School Choice is that the government could start forcing private schools curriculum. There could be stings attached if a school decides to accept government vouchers.
just casually throwing those up/download speeds in our faces...
No, Firaxis isn't intending to "fix" Civilization VI. The Devs basically said that yeah, we're not updating Civ anymore, goodbye.
Their franchise is one of the longest-running strategy-style games. But the Devs either don't know or don't care about balancing the gameplay either. Also it's extremely buggy, especially for the epic games version.
Also it's a total nightmare to install mods on the Epic Games version.
Best reviewer ever. So pleasurable to listen to you!
I have the m1 max for remote editing. I had a powerful Lenovo before and it weighed a tonne, thermal throttled and I couldn't edit without power for prolonged periods of time. IM glad I got the m1 max. however I am building a desktop pc to do AI and other advanced stuff the Macs can't do.
Everytime I hear M1 Ultra, it makes me think of MK Ultra, idk if that's just me, or Apple didn't really think about the naming scheme o-o it might just be me though..
14:04 “smol boi”
how to benchmark Eve Online? Easy. Spectate M2-XFE blunder. If you can get to do it without crashing, that's a job well done
or, basically any battle that involved maxed TiDi
Has anyone ever tried to play second life with the M1 Ultra while using the “Firestorm viewer “?
Firestorm uses “Fmod, kakadu havok and vivox” software
Hiring Anthony was the best thing Linus ever did. Love his reviews!
@Christian Michael huh?
For sure
Agreed, I like his no nonsense tech nerd style.
👍 agreed
Here for this comment!!! I remember when this dude was so shy Linus had to push it in front of a camera and he was so smart but so awkward. But finally, here he is, better than never.
I really wish you guys would start doing benchmarks for the audio crowd. Testing DAW performance. Edit: but also thank you for everything you guys already do!
We have plans, but we haven't had the opportunity to put something together yet. It's probably going to be a job for the Labs to develop. -AY
How the hell does a reply get more likes then the actual comment-
@@viper627 🤫🤫🤫
For audio it mostly boils down to this: Can you afford a Mac? If yes it's your best bet - their drivers are just that good. (and that's coming from someone who doesn't like Apple)
@@LinusTechTips Woo! It would be nice to see discussion of MADI PCI-E interfaces, and edge use cases (Endless Analog's CLASP tape machine syncing, for example) and how they work with 2020s machines.
anthony is easily my favorite host of LTT. he just seems like such a chill, friendly guy who loves what he does. keep it up!
Small suggestion: I know your graphs always include a "lower/higher is better" legend. But if you'd somehow visualy represent which is better, it would be way easier to grasp the data quickly. Something like having the "better" side green or whatever.
What you can’t read a graph lol. That’s such a nit picky thing to worry about
@@dallinsonntag3160 to make better content, everything matters, small things pile up to make better content
@@itaintitpewds you CANNOT tell me that switching colors would boost more views my friend
@@dallinsonntag3160 it is not about boosting views, it is about making better quality content, small intuitive things make a lot of difference, you may not think about it but it does for a lot of people, i watch linus tech tip's videos in things im not even interested in just because it is fun to watch, like home appliances, why would i want to watch some guy build his house, because it's just fun, that's how intuitive it already is, so proving my point that adding small things over time pile up to make better content for everyone
@@itaintitpewds it sounds like you need to find a hobby my friend
At ~4:20, I experience the artifacts you are referencing on my PC version of that fight as well. The fight had some recent bugs that I am told are fixed now, but I haven't been able to verify. I have been experiencing those buildings disappearing since day 1 of the raid. This is not just a Mac issue.
Maybe it only showed up for them during the PC testing since they can only comment on what they see and it wouldn't be too surprising given how potty Apple Silicon CPU's integrated GPUs are that they would have weird and bespoke graphical glitching.
do you have DX12 enabled? i have had some weird artifacting with a intel nvidia system artifacting. When i switched back to DX11 it was fixed
@@flugeldd I have DX12. I'll give DX11 a shot when we get back there.
Nice
Yeah there are a lot of people in my raid team who also saw that pillar in particular flickering in and out and it seemed to be based on camera position and angle
That boss in World of Warcraft was bugged recently with the assets blinking in and out of existence. I experienced it on PC, so can't be sure that it was the Mac's issue.
yeah especially with WoW being one of the first m1 native games
Was going to comment this, it’s still broken now, one of the only fights with this kind of glitch currently in the game, very unlucky LTT, good review as always however!
@David V We get it, Microsoft touched your no no when you were a kid, let it go now
@David V oh you, untrickable David.
@David V Sure you run all those but it doesn't mean you know what a slanted review looks like. - Me: the guy who has a m1 laptop and gaming pc with windows and a linux vm running on it.
I'd also like to see how it compares to a fully spec'd-out 2019 Mac Pro.
The 2019 isnt gonna do well 😂
Much much better for most things... Intel chips were run super hot and would throttle.
You can extrapolate that with the information already available to you
Literally became obsolete the year it came out. Can't even upgrade the chip.
@@leorawesome9518 Not true a fully maxed out 50k mac pro will beat it out. Watch maxtechs video he has already done this
I never feel like Anthony is reading a script; he's getting better and better at hosting. Kudos man.
Anthony is really good at reacting on the fly and his overall hardware and software knowledge is good enough that he can improvise as necessary, which is a very useful skill for video hosting. He's also a very authentic personality, like many people at LMG, which makes his videos quite entertaining.
The biggest issue I have with M1 in general is that programs are either exceptionally performant or wildly behind Windows computers, and it all boils down to whether or not they're designed with M1 in mind. That wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that the speed at which developers have tried to optimize their programs for M1 has been so slow that, by the time Apple silicon is properly utilized, we'll be at M3 at the very least. Like the iPad Pro - it's a lot of power and not a lot of ways to use it.
Still, the speed of optimizing on Apple is the fastest compared to other platforms.
Now the fans blame dev because M1 runs poorly they re not aware that M1 is overrated no matter what devs can do it wont run faster.
@@Teluric2 unrealistic, it’s clear with apples own video editing software that the new technology can be optimised to get insane performance , editing 16 raw timelines at once with no lag is insane and mind blowing. it’s in its First gen but by gen 4 i think optimisation of the chip will be done and the true power can be unleashed
@@Teluric2 You can see in this video that Applications and workloads developed specifically to run on this specific ARM hardware run exponentially better and faster than their windows counter parts, its not the chip/architecture it is literally just developers lagging behind (as always) to push updated app versions (which in some cases is understandable because it may require a complete application rewrite but still its been damn near 3 years). It. Is. Not. The. Chip.
This comment seems really inaccurate? I can never tell if something is running on x86 or arm64, Rosetta does a pretty good job and I've never been able to tell the difference on my Mac.
What did the make-up department do to our beloved Anthony?
I was wondering the same thing
he look gay
I was wondering if it was makeup or different lighting maybe?
Idk but he looks great
His eyebrows are different
Note: The artifacts blinking in and out of existence on that boss on WOW was an issue on one of the patches. It was happening on PC as well.
It's clearly because they're in the area "Shimmering Cliffs" /s
Yeah I was about to comment this halondrus boss room buggy af lmao
wrrr
Yeah I get the same thing on my 3080ti in a few places in Korthia and in SotFO
Thank you Anthony! Great review! I'm in a cold climate so I'll stick with a PC for the heat and repairability.
Lol the heat
The artifacting mentioned at 4:16 also occurs exactly the same way on my Ryzen + RTX 3080 machine running Windows. Anecdotal, but it may not be exclusive to the M1
It's actually a bug on halondrus' fight due to the fight using a phased version of his arena that goes away once the encounter is done.
@@fynale2049 How come i've never seen that bug then?
@@josejuanandrade4439 The bug simply doesn't apply to everyone. Works fine on some computers but glitches out on other.
@@josejuanandrade4439 seems to be a dx12 issue. My guild had to pause a glory run because it made some of the orbs needed for halondrus achievement disappear.
Honestly Apple can release a garbage can ultra max pro and people would buy it
I'm really missing any testing on DPC latency on these systems. It's such a hidden specs that only comes into the picture for most people when they start making/playing music or anything that relies on real-time processing of data. And these Mac's aren't just targeted at video editors, but also music producers. 19ms round about latency is just enough to notice with audio.
I know LTT isn't into making music and only does video stuff. But it's somewhat important as more people starting to use their computer for multimedia purposes, including streaming. Often wireless (because they can) and that's where the problems comes into the play: high DPC latency caused by either GPU or WiFi drivers.
So please, start considering testing laptops and desktops systems on their DPC latencies!
I would also like to see some audio tests, even if very simple ones but for that you have to go to specialized channels, LTT generally only cares about gaming and a bit of video.
Isn't that dependent on what audio interface you use? if you have a 4$k computer I assume you will have something like an RME, UAD Apollo, Apogee, etc... aka decent interface with very optimized drivers.
No one cares
DPC latency is more of a function of the OS optimization and drivers than the hardware, In context of DAW's it's used more to resolve issues than to assess performance. About your 19ms remark, the DPC latency numbers are related to audio buffer size but they are not the same thing, any modern system today can go below 5ms latency round trip.
I'd certainly like to hear more about DPC latency with apple silicon. I imagine that the link between audio glitches in systems with the T2 security chip and USB2 audio devices would have shown itself in DPC latency results.
@@coolinmac Millions of people throughout the world make music. There are more people making music and owning a home studio than people editing videos. So... no one cares? Really?
Essentially the main thing bogging down Apple Silicon is the lack of third-party support. Really hoping that Apple start incentivizing devs to expedite M1 apps, because Rosetta isn't as near as fast as Apple claims
So all the claim that M1 will makena revolution was a bluff. Many companies are not developing for M1. No audodesk no catia no nx
Apple's plan to incentivize app devs isn't likely to change from what it's more or less been since iPhone first released (possibly sooner). Push their stuff onto as many consumers as possible and sign exclusivity deals so app devs have to support it if they want to reach the largest possible user base. The reason iPhones are as common as they are is because of the way Apple pushed them onto the masses by making it more affordable to get their fancy phone (by paying monthly) when other manufacturers still expected people to buy their phones out right (which I always do). Of course now everyone does it this way but that is, from my understanding, a large part of how they got such a huge market share (they also used other forms of psychological warfare like making SMS an ugly green and encouraging that exclusivity (there's gotta be a better word) type of mindset).
I don’t even think 3ds max runs on a mac so games devs won’t buy them even if they are good unless they load windows on to them
The problem is that every time devs get used to a particular framework apple go and change everything on a whim, they have absolutely 0 regard for backward compatibility and its nearly impossible to keep up. This is how they lost the scientific computing market, used to be 10-15 years back you'd go to a conference and everyone would have macbooks but over time with Ubuntu becoming more user friendly and WSL-2 being genuinely very good, people just got fed up with accidently letting the OS update and finding all their open source software broken.
Apple have been steadily painting themselves into a corner saved only by their brand image and an almost militant approach to exclusivity, that doesn't mix well with genuinely productive third party relationships.
They only claimed it's faster than the intel Mac the Apple Silicon one replaces
Apple: "We don't cherry pick out data we just ignore everything that we don't put our badge on"
In fairness they never said they don’t cherry pick
@@ultraL2 in fact they literally say they do. They call it “selected industry metrics”
@@kalmenbarkin5708 re-read what I wrote
@@ultraL2 I read it right the first time. I’m saying not only do they not say they don’t they literally say they do
"But... but... look at all of our synthetic benchmarks! You can fit so many synthetic benchmarks into this bad boy." *slaps cube*
Genuinely appreciate the breadth of coverage. A breath of fresh air after seeing everyone just cover video rendering and move on, as if everyone watching was doing just that.
I really hate that part about youtube reviews. I understand that it's their daily bread and what they understand, but it's kind of a bubble that probably not more than 0.01% of the audience is in. Cinebench is cool as a reliable multicore benchmark, but video encoding doesn't really give us a real world usage metric.
Reviewers should give it the Minecraft test.
great work… you’re the GOATS of all things tech. Thanks for all the ridiculously hard work you put in.
These people run three tech channels, posting quality content constantly on all of them, they are amazing.
This video was pretty good but many other LTT reviews need work to be technically on par with some other channels. I hope the lab fixes that.
@@Dionyzos they are a entertainment tech channel rather than a technical tech channel like GN.
4:14 - That's an issue with the game, not the system. At certain camera positions large props like that tower can disappear. I can only assume why it happens, but I can tell you how to reliably reproduce it if you want. It happens on my system all the time (3600X, 2070S, B450 MB).
he didn’t say it was an issue with the system
@@dylangarcia9468 He said he only experienced it on the M1 Ultra variant.
Looks like wonky code for object culling to me. Well, what can you expect from such a relic of a codebase that this is likely still running. 😅
@@VectorGaming4080 he said it was the developers fault tho for not having planned it out
They brushed Anthony eyes brows. Hit him with some blush and warmed his face. Some roseyness on his lips might be a little much but I like his hair a lot better now . Overall 8/10 I'd smash.
Anthony is so freaking talented but I can’t stop worrying about his health when I see his videos. He’s on his way to an early grave and that would be a great loss.
@@KXKKX yeah man, hope he is loosing weight .. at least bit by bit.
Really unfair to ask Firaxis to port their game over when there would be no one to play it. I'm sure Civ VII will have native support.
Hope Civ 7 will be out soon! Really looking forwards to it
Imagine something like GTA 6 getting ported to the Apple Ecosystem.
They've got some serious performance with those CPU-Flash-GPU and their Semi-Native software in iOS/macOS Swift and Metal API are snazzy.
With someone like Rockstar who spend years and do many optimisations, you could have XB1-level on an A11/iPhone Max, with XB1X-level on an A12Z/iPad Pro, with XsS-level on a M1/MacBook Air, with XsX-level on M1 Pro/MacBook Pro, and lastly Gaming PC-level with that M1 Max and M1 Ultra chipsets on the Mac Studio.
Just imagine taking all your next-gen gaming with you wherever you are, without needing to Cloud Stream them. And it scaling up it's graphical fidelity depending on the thermal profile of your device. That would be so cool.
Id personally put the m1 against the 5950x for the compile test, that thing is consumer and a beast for compiling in my experience, then agin of youre talking about prosumer or professional workstations why not test it aginst a threadripper?
@@nobodylmportant its just they claim its the fastest computer for $4,000 then you have to test against the very best that you can get for 4k
@@TheMotlias a half decent threadripper is gonna cost you $2000+
Yeah... and the M1 Ultra they used in these tests is already $5800.
Because it would make M1 look like trash.
So the takeaway is that a $5800 Mac is rarely/sometimes better than a $4000 PC
Yeah... But when you factor in the fact that the air cooler for the desktop is about 50% the size of the entire mac mini, it puts things into perspective.
@@christosbinos8467 Also the power draw will be significantly lower.
No it doesn't. If you want a fast computer, get a fast computer. If you want a small computer get a small computer. And power draw is mostly irrelevant here for a desktop computer. You don't need to worry about battery life and if you're worried about the cost of electricity, don't buy a freaking 4k computer
@@reimusklinsman5876 Cost of electricity does become a factor, when you live in Europe and pay 0.5 €/kWh.
@@StuermischeTage True... But a 5800X or a 5700X is fine for most 2D/3D tasks I know of (in middle range freelancing, or other pro work at a studio), ie, a 5600X - *Edit* : I meant 5700X- (same than 5600 in single core) already is as fast in Photoshop (it is mostly single core) as an intel i9 10900K, and it really uses very low energy (quite less than intel Alder Lake), around 65 watts. Of course, not the prodigy of low consumption of a Mac Studio, but one can get a decent PC work machine for around 1200 - 1400 euros. How many years would one need to recover the cost difference with a 5400 euros Mac, even if saving a lot of electricity cost?
Even more... getting a laptop reduces by a lot the energy consumption. If your tasks are not super heavy, getting a (Windows) 12700 intel laptop, or one of the latest Ryzen 6800H laptops will get you a low consumption yet a very usable desktop replacement (if connected to an external monitor). Of course, not ideal for heavy tasks that need many cores during a long time (as a laptop has worse cooling, and it throttles; even a macbook pro has been reported to throttle), like 3D rendering. But fine for pretty much any other thing. It'd depend on each work's type of work load. Mostly on your professional profile, indeed. I know digital 2D artists (I'm one) can do very well with a good laptop + external good monitor.
so wonderfully thorough.. wtg.. loved that you figured out the one benchmark was faster because of the drive speed difference. i wish there was more coverage about ssd speed differences between current mac models and the size differences too, since apple only talks about the 8tb models and most reviewers spec out base model only.
Not only that but I think it should have been compared to compile time measured in a Linux distro more than in windows. The windows kernel is not really good for IO performance. Even more so with a lot of small files
Would love to see M1 benchmarks for industry level post-production software such as Avid Media Composer and Pro Tools. Don't think a single channel on UA-cam has done this yet.
They haven't, and none will unfortunately. It's realistically because no one who does UA-cam will ever touch Avid Media Composer (i can't speak to Pro Tools though). Media Composer is pretty strictly only ever used at industry level like you said. No one on UA-cam is operating at unscripted tv/scripted tv/feature film level. And any who would are young enough where they came up on FCPX, Premiere, and Resolve. I've used Media Composer on my M1 Pro Macbook Pro though and long as you have enough RAM (it still runs through Rosetta 2, Avid hasn't coded it natively for Apple Silicon yet) it runs almost perfectly fine. You very easily forget it's running through emulation. Avid did a big rewrite of Media Composer almost from the ground up with Media Composer 2020, so it's more streamlined to be able to run through emulation. Avid lists themself that if your system only has 16 GB of RAM to turn off certain features like the background phonetic indexer, since it running through Rosetta 2 has a RAM utilization cost, but otherwise it runs great especially if you have 32 GB+ of RAM.
Usually, on the industry-level software, you go through the corporate-level or enterprise customer service to ask for those numbers and benchmark on hardware.
As a real world test, editing content in FCP is insanely fast and efficient, my short form verticals export in mere seconds. It’s nutty for video creators
In the real world people are using FCP?
the only people that would need to spend 4k on a productivity machine.
graphics people...maybe, but could get by with less.
everyday people who might use a mac laptop of some sort who are jsut pushing excel sheets around, won't need to spend this much.
So basically, they've made a machine with potentially/theoretically the power to run games as well, but due to being dumb about how they support stuff, basically made a machine only video editors should buy.
How does Apple even exist.
@@mariankallinger7984 it's cheaper than Adobe licence, so yea suprise suprise, people actually use FCP and Logic for professional works
My work laptop is an HP zbook with a RTX 3000 and vs my personal m1 pro laptop, which honestly is a bit more modern and more expensive, but the main impact is none of the weird hitches the windows laptop has without any clear performance bottleneck, they both behave differently, even when I'm doing very low-impact stuff like editing lower-res files in photoshop. The mac is of course pushing more pixels with the internal display too, and I've never once turned the speakers up to override fan noise.
I use mine for 3D modeling/rendering and its amazing.
Not looking great for M1 Ultra when next gen GPUs are soon to be released 👀
Nvidia has a 4 year cycle so every 4 years they drop a new generation card same will happen again we are now at 2 so 2years left for release
Nvidia has a 4 year cycle so every 4 years they drop a new generation card same will happen again we are now at 2 so 2years left for release
@@BrucyJuicy They are releasing the new cards-4000 series this fall. Plus Nvidia releases every 2 years, so your statement was totally wrong.
They don't really compete with each other. Plus of course apple is already working on their next gen products
As said before, Apple's sillicon is a great breakthrough without a doubt, however what makes them great is their weakness: having a computer that I use for work with a single point of failure for RAM, CPU and GPU is a no go for my needs (other people mileage may vary) Same for the mac only SSD.
Irrelevant argument when you remember laptops exist
@@skyhigheagleer6 Soo do you want it to be the status quo now?
But doesn't the fact that it's an SoC mostly prevent such elements (which are no longer separate components) to fail? Like, when did your phone or tablet's CPU, GPU and RAM last fail you?
@@excarnator you are comparing parts that do not have massive heat. Ulp parts cant compare to desktop components. Nice terrible analogy.
Not only that. The silicon itself is kinda too specific. If anything even if minimal changes. It will depends in its CPU cores which are kinda week for general purposes
Everybody: So what's wrong with OpenGL exactly?
Apple: No!
Everybody: Is it because you want to force your proprietary API on users and developers for even more control?
Apple: No!
Everybody: Refusing to support open standards doesn't exactly help getting ports to your platform.
Apple: No!
Everybody: So you agree?
Apple: No!
Everybody: How about Vulcan?
Apple: No!
Everybody: Can you say anything else?
Apple: No!
Everybody: Maybe you could support DirectX?
Apple: Hell, no!
Everybody: Got you!
Apple: No!
So Microsoft’s proprietary graphics API & Nvidia’s proprietary compute API are GOOD but Metal is BAD, because it’s Apple.
I get your point, but to be fair: OpenGL is supported up to openGL 4.1 (no support for bindless textures, SSBO or DSA). So it's kinda okays I guess. Apple needed something that runs on AppleTV, MacOS and iOS - that's where Metal came into play (2014), initial release of Vulkan was 2016...
So, u can work with openGL (till "2010 gaphics"), use moltenVK for Vulkan or get along with Metal.
We use openGL for your crossplattform project.
Them brows on fleek Anthony! ♥️
Aye was thinking the same thing that's why I'm here 😂😂😂
Is that what changed? :o
Everything is on fleek when Anthony is on camera.
@@hi_tech_reptiles trueee
true hhh
LTT, I have said it before, I love me some Anthony performance breakdown vids. It is fun, calming (linus) and informative. Can't wait for the new vids from the new department!
Honestly, I'm tired of this narrow set of software that video creators use being described as the standard for "productivity software." I'd like to see you guys benchmark some of the "productivity" software that gets used by a greater picture of the world. Go talk to the guys you're hiring for Labs; they use that stuff. Run Solidworks and Autodesk's software. Run some CFD simulations. Have them talk to some of their friends still in the engineering industry and work out the chance with some companies to test other softwares that run the world. If they don't work on Apple Silicon, then that's a goose egg that has to be recorded. Then go try them on Parallels and see how that compares to their native Windows x86 versions. Talk to different industries that do intense computer work I can't even imagine and see if they can run well (or at all) on ARM Apple Silicon. I'm willing to be surprised. But I also want to see a picture that isn't perfectly tailored to being reviewed by the people most likely to be using the software Apple excels at.
Sadly you can't run a x86 Windows in Parallels on M1. It's a limitation of rosetta which doesn't permit x86 virtualization... and it's a pain in the butt to get a nice windows for ARM version right now.
Worked at 4 game studios. Might be coincidence, but in the four of them we always got PCs (with Windows) as the workstations to use. Obviously properly configured in RAM, CPU, GPU, etc. I'm guessing that it is because while most of the essential software (several 3D apps don't have a mac version) has a version on Mac OS, a bunch don't, and as the PC runs currently professional software just the same, why take the risk that in the middle of a project you need to use sth Windows-only. In a stressful environment like it is game production, I noticed bosses want to minimize "surprises". Specially the case for a bunch of utilities, libraries, plugins, etc, very key in production, that often don't count on a Mac version. At several companies, an amazing show stopper was that there never existed (that I know off, and I started with 3DS for DOS in the 90s !) a Mac version of 3D Studio (many studios do not work with Maya). But that was not the only windows-only "main" app.
Or the gazillion companies (much more work of that in my area than games...) that require (yes or yes, it's made clear already in the offers) 3D Studio + Vray for architecture renders.
Indeed. LTT reviews are so "i live in my parents basement" hobby grade. They start with testing gaming on a workstation machine, and then head into every test that isn't yet M1 ready. It's dumb, and basically undermines all their credibility. What I want to know is a review of broad business software. Scientific computing, developer toolchains, math processing, AI training.
What I can tell you after buying 10 M1 Macbook pros for our developers is their compilation times are 300-400% faster than their (new) i7 laptop, and 2X faster than the best intel box you can buy. It saves the average developer 45 min a day in compile wait times. That is real world value, and makes back the cost of the machines in weeks. Not all software is optimized, but my 3D renderer is 30% faster than my i7 even running intel software in emulation. The potential as software gets ported and optimized is amazing.
@@arronjames9484 "2X faster than the best intel box you can buy" . I don't get it. Do you mean mac intel's (what were those, 8th or 9th gen? I think no mac intel is past 10th gen, while in Windows it's close to be released the 13th). I hope you don't mean Alder Lake 12th gen on a Windows machine. Do you mean that a M1 Macbook is faster compiling than a 12900KS desktop :o ? I very much doubt that, unless there's some bug in the code to compile that avoids proper comparison. As this wouldn't match with the 100% cases of benchmarks I've seen produced testing together the M1 Mac Studio (Ultra and Max) (so, even more powerful) with just a 12700 (let alone a 12900ks). Yep, just checking now... The 12700 desktop (not 12700h laptop) is significantly faster in all benchmarks than M1 (but not 2x or 3x). The gap is much bigger with a 12900K. I would agree that in laptops it might be different (still, I very much doubt a M1 is faster than a 12900HX laptop in all benchmarks, in a config of similar memory amount, etc). I have seen some full benchmarks, covering many fields/applications, and I'd give it to you that particularly in _certain type_ of compilation was faster the M1 vs a *_laptop_* 12900HX (but certainly not "300% faster", not even 2x). But... in every other regard, app and etc the 12900HX proved to be much faster. I mean, in laptops I'd be to admit it is at least debatable. Even more, probably in specific workflows the M1 might be faster than any Windows laptop for that task (I doubt again the 300% ratio, with a top Alder Lake laptop). But an M1 compared to the top Alder Lake _desktop_ (12900K or 12900KS)... sorry, but it's not like that, it's not even close (again, unless it is a very specific type of compilation severely bugged for intel compilation). And...besides that, if it's for tasks that benefit from multiple cores, a top AMD's Threadripper will end any render so much faster than anything else (other than a render farm) that there's not even competition.
Would like to see the comparisons to AMD CPUs for productivity.
I second this. APUs in my case though.
Why??
@@directlinkrexx4409 because AMD fans always wants to see AMD being superior than everything else.
Sure. For some of these loads and at this high price point, I wonder how Threadripper/Threadripper pro compares.
Yeah, i would love to compare this to threadripper pro+quadro cards which are more power efficient (a lot) would he totally different results
Am I the only one who noticed Anthony is now putting on a make up?
The signs were there for a couple years now.
No it was immediately jarring this video.
@@neddypwnz I guess soon we will see Anthony doing some K- Pop dance on LTT channel. SIDE STEP RIGHT LEFT TO MY FAT.. ooooh ooohhh!
So the Mac is a somewhat better option for my editing station, albeit with varying results from different tasks. But if you do any gaming, PC is the only option. Apple are really limiting their demographic there.
Yeah that's the sad part, PC is very flexible markets it to alot of targets gamers, creators and so on. While Apple only targets the creative and business market. Hopefully one day they can make something for gamers and other parts of the tech community.
We have a couple of these at work, and it's inconsistent to say the least. Sometimes it absolutely crushes it on render times, while others it pales in comparison to a 2017 iMac pro. Really wish Windows was compatible with Apple ProRes, then I wouldn't be forced to use Apple
@@daizeemi Apple doesn't target the business market either.
@@Furluge Oh it absolutely does, Literally every organisation in Software or IT industry bulk orders MacBooks for their employees.
@@the_crypter Lol, bullshit they do not. XD I've been in IT for years at multiple companies and none of them do that. XD
Wait, couldn't you also make compile benchmarks compiling for the same architecture? I mean otherwise this lead could be architecture specific using different optimization flags or even ignoring parts of the code because of architecture specific macros.
I have no idea. I don’t use Apple products, play no video games, and I am very unfamiliar with this kind of technology.
I’m curious what their compiler flags were
They're running Intel native code on the Mac and the Intel machine is still getting thrashed at 10% of the power draw.
in 3 more Mchip iterations, it'll be worth it.
@@jimemmonstein847 In some application, sure.