Common Problems With the 4L60E and 4L65E
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Curt talks to us about the top 3 common problems with the 4L60E and 4L65E like the 1870 TCC code, burnt 3-4 clutch pack and broken sunshells. Also, Curt shows us how to fix these problems.
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EVERY transmission should have a drain plug in the pan.
This man knows transmissions,he took it apart standing behind it not even looking inside lmao
Haha, yes Curt knows his stuff 👏
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This guy makes it look like he can rebuild my dropped off transmission in 45 min to an hour.
Probably can
They can...i dropped mine off and i waited for it to be done (no joke) tool the guy less than an hour.
he probably can! I've seen my 700r4 get busted down before i could walk away from the table and sign papers
Don't insult people, he can probably do it in 10mins while fighting an aligator bare-handed and talking to the wife on the phone
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Takes about 4 hours with experience and all the parts prepped and ready to go. Everything cleaned.......all parts ordered and sitting in front of you. This does include putting in all new bushings and adding a shift kit as well as measuring the clutch pack clearance.....which is important.
Finally a straight to the point explanation. I’ve seen so many videos of this 4l60e it hurts. Well done sir
Thank you Mike!
This guy could put an airplane together in 2 hours lol
More like 8:09
Agreed that's a big affirmative. He's a mechanical champion, it's just facts.💪😎💪👍😁👌
Outstanding video! Well paced, clear, nicely edited and highly informative. Thank you so much for doing this.
I know this is edited but dame he's fast.
Studying this video saved me about 900 dollars.
THANK YOU
Informative, concise and no nonsense. The perfect UA-cam video! 👍
330k on mine...change fluid every year and keep Lucas no slip. Hot rod kids burn them out. Drive easy they last. Simple.
So true!
I just burned mine out going 0-60 on every stoplight do admit it was fun but the repair bill not so much fun 160k on mine
Exactly, I have 270.000 on my 05 Sierra, it has this tranny. I change mine and use lucas religiously. It still performs flawlessly.
mine lasted 390)))) after rebuild 210k miles... all stock except pinless accumulators, all 3
I have 323k on mine and I am babying it. About to change fluid and filter with some Lucas but scared to flush it because of all the "do not flush" videos online.
700r4 was a far better transmission then that electric controled crap
I have a 94 GMC Sierra SLE with the 4L60E... Long story short, I would like to actually have the original IMO transmission built from empty case to be installed and working just fine... How much is fair price ?
If you look at that input drum that holds all the clutch packs. The input drum has the long input shaft coming out of the front of it. This input shaft is pressed Into that drum. However: where it is pressed in, can leak and cause a loss of pressure to the 3-4 clutch pack. Sonnax sells a kit to reinforce the drum and input shaft to hold it in there better. The part of the sonnax kit that makes it not leak is the fact that green loctite is used when the input shaft is pressed Into the drum. The green loctite is what seals it back up and many of these leak. Yours is probably leaking....there is more info on this so look it up.
Bottom line. If you are rebuilding this or fixing your 3-4 clutch pack problem. Take the input shaft out of the 3-4 drum and loctite it back in there. Should take care of that problem.
Changing the trans fluid every 60k will help increase the life of the transmission. Get a updated pan for cheap with a Drain plug to help with this. Makes life easier.
Next.......for $20 you can add so much life to this trans. He talked about the 3-4 apply seal hardening. This is caused by heat. Your trans run through the factory trans cooler at the radiator and sometimes has a factory external trans cooler in the heavier trucks, but it usually does not have an Xtra trans cooler.
You want an aftermarket trans cooler in there........AFTER the radiator trans cooler. Why after?
Because the transmission will be at whatever the thermostat is on the radiator. If you’re engine thermostat is 190° or higher. Your trans will be 190° or higher. We don’t want that. We want 170°
So.....you still keep your original trans cooler at the radiator. You keep that and run both the original and the aftermarket after it
This will make the trans run cooler and cool it back down to below what the engine thermostat is. It’s needs to be run after the radiator cooler on the fluid return back to the transmission. Any cooler will help.
Sonnax makes the best sun shell replacement and has a long list of other parts to keep this transmission alive. If you have a 700r4 or a 4l60e or any other transmission for that matter. Sonnax usually has upgrade parts to make it last longer. With the 4l60e.......sonnax has ......a lot of upgrade parts. By the time your done. 1/4 of the parts would be sonnax parts.
Either way.......run a better cooler
Thank you for the great additional information Jack.
Not trying to jump on your comment to advertise but to make it easier for anyone interested, here are some links to parts we offer that can also help.
You can upgrade the input drum and shaft for performance applications with this billet part: www.monstertransmission.com/4L60E-4L65E-4L70E-Smart-Tech-Input-Housing-Kit-with-Heavy-Duty-300mm-Input-Shaft_p_11538.html#.Xo85cohKiUk
You can use Burn Rubber Brewing Universal ATF to help take the guess work out of what fluid to use, we also recommend changing the filter when you do the fluid. We offer a whole kit here: www.monstertransmission.com/Monster-Transmission-Complete-Service-Kit-1-ATF-Kooler-Kleen-Conditioner-Filter-Pan-Gasket-Oil-Drain-Pan_p_18507.html#.Xo86cIhKiUk
And a link to the pan with a drain plug: www.monstertransmission.com/4L65E-700R4-4L60-4L60E-Chrome-Pan-82-06_p_6556.html#.Xo87KIhKiUk
The number one enemy to a transmission is overheating! An external cooler is one of the best additions to extend the life of your transmission. www.monstertransmission.com/Hayden-Transmission-Cooler-Kit-12-12-x-7-12-x-34_p_4893.html#.Xo85EIhKibg
Thank you Jack for this very informative comment!
@@MonsterTransmission This one looks nice. I wonder.
www.amazon.com/s?k=Mishimoto+MMOC-F+Heavy+Duty+Transmission+Cooler+With+Electric+Fan&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Looks like you've done this a few times. Great video. Very informative and I learned a lot. Just bought my first truck, an '01 Sierra 1500 with the 5.3.
Man that was very important! But putting all that back together is what I would like to see!
And kids these days think driving a manual trans is too complicated.
Same transmission but my 2 gear slips and I’m not getting any codes. Do you have an idea what it can be.
2-4 Band is worn out or 1-2 Shift Accum piston cracked.
This guy is ripping through this transmission and explaining everything like it's a walk in the park!
WHAT AWESOME BENCH CART IS THAT??!!
after the transmission (4L60E) fluid leaked out from one of the rusted cooler lines I'm pretty sure this burnt the clutch pack and main seal. the symptom is delayed engagement. car had only 140k on it when it happened. when going from 3rd to 4th gear the car hesitates and have to apply more gas. also from 2-3 there is delayed engagement with a jolt (and click sound), kind of annoying especially in traffic. other than that the car has been running fine car now has 180k on it. I may eventually do the job myself.
I think the transmission is a good design but cooler lines are a lousy design and are unfit for places where salt is used on the roads. rust is a killer of cars and any metal fluid transfer lines should be the top priority of maintenance. I always spray grease/oil film on the lines - it doesn't look good but it's better than having a mechanical problem down the line.
also, just because you don't see rust doesn't mean there isn't a rust problem. one little spot (as in my case) is all it takes.
Thanks for this video, guys. Got an '01 Chevy Suburban 1500 5.3L that lost reverse and shifts hard from 2-3 and 3-4. Will definitely check these things out to see what we can do here in Virginia. Have a great day.
Me: I just watched this detailed video on how I can fix the transmission on your Tahoe. I’m gonna put these hands to work.
Wife: I wouldn’t let you change my air freshener. You better stay away from my vehicle!
Best 8 minutes of my day.
Thanks Joe! We try :-)
Ditto!!
Damn bro. U taught me more in less than 10 min than I have ever known about rebuilding a transmission
Very informative video! But before I put money back in a 4 l 60 e... I would just get a 4 l 80 and be done with it... or even simpler a th400
I don't have transmission, but I watched this video with awe and read every comment and reply. Now I will have to get up early tomorrow to make up the time. Internet is great, but one can let it steal your productivity.👍
thank you for making this great video. now i know exactly the problem and fix for my 93 silverado 2500 that whips my head back every time it shifts into 2nd gear.
No problem, glad we could help!
I could never trust someone to do this job. To many ways to screw it up.
No matter how many of these trans videos i watch, I'm still amazed at how many parts an Auto trans has in it! my 4L60e is in need of a rebuilt now (no 3/4), cooling line blew though.
Mine won’t go out of 1st gear & No reverse
Straight up expert. thanks for the knowledge!
Yes, Curt knows his stuff 👌. Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you. Good video. Mine was the sun shell that broke off
Damn, this guy has fixed a few transmissions... great info! Would be nice to have a how-to rebuild video. Slower showing more details on techniques used for snap rings etc.
Thanks!
Excellent Video!
Dont expose me like this
LOL 😆, don't worry 4L60E we're here to put you back together
Dizamm, he is a boss, because I look at this with a whole lot of hell nah...
Hello from Germany!
Thanks for the interesting videos!
I have a question regarding the oil in the 4L60E.
I read contradictory tips regarding Dexron 3 and switching to Dexron 6.
My car is from 1995 (Chevy Caprice Station LT1), has 125000 miles.
The transmission is still original. So far, no problems.
Now the question: Should I take the oil change Dexron 6 or rather the old Dexron 3?
Many Thanks!
Dirk
Dexron 6 is an updated version of Dexron 3. So you can use Dexron 6 for Dexron 3, but can not use Dex 3 for Dex 6.
Thank you for answer :)
I've watched a few of these vids from Monster Transmission and I really like the no frills, get the info out format. Have a feeling I may be calling them soon, as my '02 Blazer is experiencing some transmission issues. Ah, the life of a car owner.
Best class I've had in a while ,super video.
Thanks, we try 😏
Dude omg do you need a good neighbor your like every man with a Chevy dream neighbor
You would think GM would upgrade to these better parts .
That's one reason you see so many Fords ! Built Ford Tough !
Great video! Have to ask though, how do you know if you should use the full reaming kit, or just the spring to clear up the P1870?
Michael Jones hopefully someone can answer that. 🤔
hold on, let me grab my dictionary
I have got to build a new teardown bench. That one is very nice
Was thinking the same thing
These are great transmissions if you service them my 1998 s10 has almost 200k and still shifts like a dream every 40k it gets new fluid and filter
Yes exactly, we're always trying to remind people these transmissions will take care of you if you take care of it.
We offer a service kit on our site also.
www.monstertransmission.com/Service-Kits_c_7983.html
Dude s10s are my favorites first truck was a 1997 S10 5 speed then got an automatic 2000 . Best trucks seriously it's like a Honda
Lots of great info quickly. Excellent video !!!
The guy breaks down the transmission to the freakin T and nares the issue down ... 367 haters? Welcome to 2021 where nobody can be happy and thankful. This guy could probably lay in bed sick and have your transmission back together within a few hours TOPS.
Thanks broski, finally someone explained the fix using the English language. Now I got the guts to work on it.
Easiest way to avoid all auto problems is get a Manuel.
Great info sir!! Sir I recently bought my son a 2002 Chevy S 10 V6 and driving the truck around in the neighborhood the trans seems to shift fine but when you get out on the main road to where you have to pick up some speed first and second shifts but third you have to let off the gas in order for it to shift and also fourth you have to let off the gas in order for it to shift is there any recommendations you could recommend for me to check? Thank you!!👍🦨
Sounds like third and fourth are starting to wear out or have weak pump pressure. It'd probably be a good idea to take it from a diagnostic at an ATRA shop. Hope that helps!
This video motivates me to take it easy on my 4l65e in my awd denali.
If you have 4l60e problems, throw it in the trash and install a 4l80e.
Well all these videos I’ve been watching are very spot on but now I’m hoping that I won’t have to go through all that with my P1810 code. I’ve dropped my pan waiting on the valve to come in. All the seals were broken and three of the five pressure plates don’t click. The name of the part is probably wrong so I mentioned the code. I have purchased a transfer case from Monster and it’s going great. The motor is a 5.3 in this 2003 Silverado
Mine blew other night. Havnt lift the truck yet to inspect it.
Hoping it’s just my rear differential, but could be wrong.
If it’s the whole trans ima need that sunshell in replacement. Good info
Scary stuff! Like watching a vegematic salesman at the State Fair.😂👍 No really, this guy got his s*#t together.
Very well done. Nice to see a true expert in their field. Thank you.
My 4l60 took a 💩 last month,02 trail blazer.. 247000mi.
Wow. Thanks for making such an AWSOME video. I just today took my 92 Chevy Silverado in for the transmission to be rebuilt. I now have some more questions for them.
Glad it helped, educating yourself is always a great plan even if someone else is doing the work.
Great video!! Have had many high mileage 4l60s. I have never experienced those problems, but I have maintained them. I have heard of this before tho.
Exactly, you can avoid most issues by taking care of your transmission.
Monster Transmission you got it. That has been my experience.
Hello! I’m curious if anyone knows what might be wrong with my car. I have an 07 impala w/ 104k miles that shifts rough from 1-2 and 3-4. It feels like it hesitates at every shift. It has a shift flare of 2-3 hundred rpm into 4th gear, and feels like it’s slipping in 3rd. When it first shifts into 3rd at ~20mph, it’s at 1750rpm. At 30, before it shifts, it drops down to about 1400rpm. It seems to downshift okay, besides an occasional jolt from 4-3 at 35mph.
Car hit curbs and drove into a ditch before I bought it. Symptoms became more pronounced after a fluid and filter change. No check engine light. Can this tranny be saved?! Thx!
Try checking 2-4 servo band clearance as that may fix but if the fluid is dark and burnt it likely needs a rebuild
Good stuff. I’m about to rebuild a 4L60 for my C5 Corvette and need to beef it up to handle a nitrous hit. Just added a few new parts to the list thanks to this video. 👍🏻
Glad we could help!
Sir Thank you for the video....
hmmm well now DAT SPLAINS IT!
All newer auto transmissions are junk. They are way too complicated and built weak. The old TH400, TH350, C6, C4, AOD, would last forever with little maintenance.
My 2015 Silverado is downshifting a little hard from 2-1. Any idea what's the issue? Should I be concerned? Bought the truck with 150k miles a week ago.
It could be that the clutches are starting to wear out or a check ball getting stuck on the plate.
I have a restored 1999 S10 with a 4L60 that sometime slips between 2 and 3rd.
It's a rebuilt trans about 10 years old, and the fluid looks good.
What could be causing this?
Ever think of draining the transmission before it gets the tear down? That's a big mess. Even if you put it tailshaft down in a 5 gallon pail it would be a lot less mess to fiddle through.
Good tips though.
👍 curt nice guy. Takes his time to answer questions. Keep up the good work mate!!! Thanks
My brother bought his '95 K1500 in '03. We bought it from him for my son last year. He had never changed the fluid. Of course, shortly after I change all the fluids, I lose 3 - 4, go figure. Plan in doing a full heavy duty rebuild on it soon.
Nice! If you give us a call we can get you a quote for a transmission. We also offer some of the most complete rebuild kits on the market if you want to do the build yourself.
I'm about to take off and rebuilt for fun . First time trying. See how it goes
Good hard working man. Has interest and pride in his work. When men like these are gone we are in trouble. The people Today will have to start by pulling their pants up. Maybe take an interest in work.
I had an issue with very hard shifting from 1-2. I replaced the valve body entirely. That fixed that issue, however the 3-4 began slipping after that. For instance, if driving on a level road above 55mph or so it will slip from 4-3 raising the RPM. Under load it will remain in the proper gear. Is this video describing the fix i need to do?
3-4 clutches are most likely burnt/warped, would need to rebuild.
I bought 94 silverado, The car has been lying dormant for eight years , when I started to test drive, It shifts gears 1 and 2 very smoothly, but for gears 3 and 4, I have to press the gas pedal several times to change gears, When I looked at the transmission fluid it is full of bubbles, I will change the fluid tomorrow, Do you think the problem is with the transmission or other parts?
Always, always, always put in a Transgo shift kit in these when going through them. You're welcome.
I think he’s did a few 😁
There's no way I could do this myself my 97 gmc doesn't have the 3/4 gears and need a rebuild but after this video I think a different Transmission is needed .any help would be appreciated
Almost 350,000 miles on the original 4L60E transmission in my 96 Caprice. Been using Dexron VI for years and I change my fluid and filter regularly.
Nice!
Unfortunately, Dexron VI won’t keep the sunshell from failing.
When you switched from III to VI, did you notice that you could smell the new fluid after parking your car? I noticed a definite transmission oil smell like it was coming out of the vent maybe. No leaks.
TrakSpock1 had a Zr2 with 252,000 miles, off road all of the time, occasionally towed heavy thing's, kept the fluid and filter changed never had a transmission issue.
TrakSpock1 that's it! You got it!! Same here..
This cat knows trans. Inside/0ut
Thanks very informative. Been looking for this type of info for days. Would rather do work myself than take it to a shop. Transmissions aren't as scary as they look
We have a 2016 Silverado 2500 HD we learned the transmission was shot and had to be completely replaced. On here trying to figure out why.
We tow a 30ft keystone cougar travel trailer full time. Could this be the cause? If so, any recommendations when driving either normal roads, uphill, downhill, etc to help us keep our new transmission in top shape? Thanks!
If you have a god unit, converter, cooler, and fluid it should have no issues.
Have the 1870 code. Did the valve upgrade. Cleared the codes and the 1870 came back again
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Hello, I myself have a question. I tried to rebuild my transmission and now its really sluggish taking off. Any throttle under 50% it will take off normally. But under WOT, it will not move, it will not rev up so I know its not slipping either. Solenoid A&B have both been replaced. Voltage to transmission has also been checked. Any clue what it could be?
Sounds like a cross leak when the line pressure rises. Make sure the shift plate gaskets are not torn or mix-matched. Hope this helps!
like mastering any skill to be proficient and retain the information and don't be intimidated
Wow, great explanation! Love the fact that you showed us using an actual transmission
Damn he just rip that shit apart like it wasn’t shit.
I just had to replace mine with a new one. Next time I’ll buy one from here because I’m actually really hard on transmissions.
My sun shell just broke =(
If you give us a call Jacob we'd be glad to help you with that! 800-708-0087.
Time for the beast.... Really, monster will sell you the beast sun shell.
HI i have 1997 GMC 2500 diesel truck 4X4, my 4l80E transmission failed . i got a 1999 used 4L80E gas truck transmission . can i use this transmission for my diesel truck . if not what is the difference . please help .
Yes if you get a new converter designed for diesel it will work but typical Diesel builds will have HD internals compared to the more Factory gas versions. But you can use it because the main difference is the converter.
See I think my problem is in the check balls cuz I think I missed one so I don't have anything past 2nd
Good video and good info. I have a 1994 Chevy Caprice 9C1. Have problems with the transmission shifting from 3rd gear to overdrive on the highway. This happens all the time. A lot of times I feather the pedal to keep her in 3rd gear at 45mph to 60mph.
I have a shift kit already in the transmission, would that hurt the 4L60E ? I would like a good shift kit in her, have stock 350hp 350 LT1. I only added headers to her.
If it is going in and out of 4th gear it could be low on fluid and or there could be a stuck valve in valve body. The 4th gear servo Teflon ring could be worn out or damaged. If its the servo it could also have a worn out band. The first thing to check would be the band clearance see if its too loose.
I have a 2001 Tahoe. I have to let go the gas pedal after start driving forward for the transmission can keep moving forward. Like every 5 miles por hour, I have to let go the gas pedal and hit it slowly for the car keep driving. I change the transmission oil filter and the 2 solenoids it ran good for a few minutes after replace. And there again keep doing the samething.
The forward clutch pack could be slipping if it is not doing it in reverse. If it's not doing it in reverse, check line pressure. If the line pressure is good then it may have a bad torque converter.
I want you to rebuild my 4L60E!
Your a badass! Started slipping 3rd & 4th
Hi, thanks for the video and great information. I have a question hopefully you or someone else can answer for me. I've got a 2000 Sierra 1500 with a 4L60E. I lost 3rd and 4th gear, and replaced with a rebuilt unit. Filled up with fluid, and it will never "drop into gear". So question is, what should I suspect? The only part I reused was the torque converter. How prone are these to failure? I'm suspecting that the converter was going bad and caused the damage to the 3/4 clutch pack.? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Truck has 130k on it, but was used for towing/ farm use.
First thing you should check is your line pressure. If you have no line pressure then it could be a pump issue, but if you do have line pressure then it could be a torque converter issue.
If the torque converter was not fully engaged in the pump during installation that will cause your problem. It causes the pump rotor to break when the tranny is tightened up.
What's the name of the valve kit
It is called a Superior Shift Correction Kit.
Here's a link to them: www.monstertransmission.com/Shift-Correction_c_5479.html
Damn.....thank you! Make that look like baking a cake
Myne lost 2nd,3rd,4th still have reverse and 1st what u think?
Intermediate clutches are probably worn out.
7:10 they should all be built like this from the factory!
I'm glad there was no quiz after the vid. He made it look like you could do it in your driveway at lunch hour and be back at work by 1pm. LOL
Curt probably could do that and still have time to make a sandwich!
Excellent video. I like the pace you use, no wasting time