It arguably was never enough, Jirachi for example is good not because of its stats, but typing, ability, and movepool. Edit: oh yeah mew, but since I think around gen 5-6 it’s been waning.
Learning that this video was originally going to be a "How BAD was Phione ACTUALLY?" video, before FSG turned it into something different that does involve Phione, is a pretty funny twist of events. Mon is so bad that its competitive history can be summarized in a 2 minute section of a different, related video.
@@ChilaAuroraVT You realize Pocket is massively scaled *down* in power when compared to the modern TCG? The current Charizard EX has 330 HP, ramps your team by 3 as soon as it enters the field, hits 180+ for 2 energy with the potential deal up to 330, and cannot be damaged by attacks while on the bench.
Celebi and Shaymin are the definition of “athletes” who were legends in their prime, but have been clinging to it for years while a lack of betterment caused them to fall to the wayside as the up-and-comers redefine the game.
you know meloetta in its either forms isnt weak, just is in a predicament like zen mode darmanitan. If there was an item like the orbs to keep it in one form, it would be much better
Even better, change Aria Song to be a move that can be used out of battle to switch Meloetta's form on the field, That way, you still keep the item slot free.
I would rather have the secondary effect be a higher critical chance, like with Stone Edge. It feels like such a slap in the face to have it only lower Sp Def by 1 stage. 😢
I think if relic song worked by always using the stats of the other meloetta and scaling off of the higher attacking stat, that could make it better (not Ou by any means but good enough to actually see the pirouette form)
For Meloetta It could be two moves entirely like Psychic "Relic Song" and Fighting "Relic Dance" and the form in the overworld and Battle is whichever fills the first move Slot. Then a bump in power from 75 to 80~90 including a bump 10% to either 12~15% to Sleep, Paralyze or Confuse. would be great. Considering we have Pokemon like Iron head jirachi with 60% flinch or zen headbutt with 40%. Or Current menace Dire Claw Sneasler with a 50% chance to Poison/Sleep/Paralyze. And instead of an item to switch between about a Version "Stance Change" to Something like "Dance Break", which refers when a Singer transitions from singing to focus on Dancing. Let's say you're in base form to trigger "Dance Break" you'd use a Dance or Step to swap into Pirouette Form, and vise versa with Sound or Singing move. With a secondary effect like a weaker "Dancer" like 40~45% chance to copy another Pokemon Dance/Step or Singing/Sound. Or "Punk Rock" with a 10~20% boost to mentioned moves and a resistance up to 30~40% to those moves. Finally 1 or 2 Normal, Psychic and/or Fighting moves with secondary effects. It has a wide move set, but a huge lack of good stab moves to use "Serene Grace" with. Its typing isn't too defensive and it bulk is ok
Hmm I wonder why? And we all thought mewtwo ex was annoying and everywhere. Get ready for this bs. BTW there's no hard limit to how many coins celebi can flip
100 stats got very power creeped also a weakness to dark and or ghost can really hurt if the Pokemon doesn't have very high speed. The ubiquity of dark and ghost moves hurt these mythicals quite a bit. Meltan is just really difficult to evolve
@@IschmarVI Ampharos not having Tail Glow is genuinely baffling. It can light itself bright enough to be used as a lighthouse, and also use the light-up orb on its tail to fire off electricity, but _can't_ learn Tail Glow?? And I don't buy the "excuse" that it'd be too overpowered. No it wouldn't. In the older gens, maybe, but nowadays? You practically _have_ to have broken attributes to even be a blip on the radar.
It is interesting how half of the list has a common thread of “they have a bad type combination” along with their individual shortcomings whilst the other half of the list can be boiled down to “they need better move pools”
Trivia: Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs uniquely refers to Mythical Pokémon as “Rare Pokémon” outside of Japan where most other games still used the Legendary classification. It wasn’t until Keldeo’s worldwide debut in 2012 where international audiences were introduced to the term “Mythical”.
Phione actually does get a calm mind adjacent move in gen 9: take heart, which also heals status. There's a strat on random battles sets with scale, take heart, rest + sleep talk to get the wake up AND a calm mind boost. Not a lot, and probably wayyy too late for any real niche in the current gen, but it exists
the reason some of the newer ones are in ubers is because of their stats aren't just a flat 100 in everything, have absurd types and have good movepools.
Funnily enough my rarest shiny Pokémon that I didn't get from an event is a shiny Phione. Was mass breeding them for online trading and ended up getting a shiny. I believe I initially got the initial Phione from Wonder Trade. Somehow not hacked.
When a Sonic fan makes an argument about what color(s) Sonic's arms should be, it always reminds me of those guys that freak out when you call Mew a legendary.
I find it ironic that despite Bug being the worst offensive type in the game, being 4x weaker to it is usually a death sentence competitively just because of how insanely good U-Turn is. Plenty of meta staples can position around their 4x weaknesses to actually powerful types-Rock, Fire, Ice, Fighting, Electric, etc… but Bug of all things is just one of those types where you’re screwed if you get blown up by it because there’s no safe way to maneuver around it. Even worse, most Mythicals are ALSO weak to Dark, which is the other type you really don’t want to be weak to because of how spammable Knock Off and Sucker Punch is.
So basically, Meloetta is Zen Mode Darmanitan all over again. I have no clue why Game Freak thought making these Pokémon transform into completely different, counterintuitive forms could possibly work in Gen 5, but thank goodness they cut that out afterwards. Hell, I'm betting this had some applicable lessons for the Mega Evolutions that happened the very next generation.
Just so everyone is clear, mythicals are legendaries. I see too many people say they’re a separate thing as opposed to what they actually are (a subset)
just so everything is clear, mythicals have always been marketed as separate from legendaries in Japan, while they have often been called just "legendaries" outside of Japan, at least during the earlier generations. I also do believe that the most reasonable distribution would be to consider them a type of legendaries, alongside sub-legendaries and true/box-legendaries.
I'm fine with phione meltan and hoppa, they act as the sort of collector item baby counterparts to otherwise fantastic mons. Hoopa especially is cool because I always liked the idea of a ghost type that could become a dark type, like he gave up his intangibility for a physical body that made him even more powerful.
Meloetta should have had a key item dedicated to it that allows it to switch between its Aria and Pirouette formes; it could be the guitar that the musician at Castelia used. Relic Song switching Meloetta’s formes in battle is too awkward and wastes a move slot especially considering that both formes do completely different things.
Either that, or maybe another signature attacking move that behaves similar to tera blast, meaning Meloetta can play an interesting form of mixed attacker 🤔
and headbutt ... and then troll the entire metagame with 60% flinch chance .... wait, why does that sound so familiar? -all hail twave rest snore meloetta-
I’ve played so much Pokemon Auto Chess that I completely forgot that Meloetta Aria was part Psychic. In PAC it’s just Normal Sound, and adds Fighting to those two in Pirouette.
I feel like Phione was made at the last minute when Generation IV was in production. I literally forgot that it was a mythical, and the fact that you can only get it by breeding Manaphy and Ditto.
I get the theme of 100 across the board, but the fact that getting slapped by Celebi hit a lot harder than being literally stabbed by Cobalion just does not make any sense
Celebi had a very respectful career, fallen of in recent gens, but if they just gave it fairy typing, it could see a revival. Its loterally a fary, so it fits perfectly too.
As someone who's caught a ton of Meltan because of GO, I honestly have no idea how its stats or movepool looks in mainline lol. Because you have to evolve it in GO before sending it on a one-way trip to HOME, or else it'll never become a Melmetal
You guys started the list with CELIBI. You're just here to start fights, huh? I mean, it makes sense, but I've never doubletaked harder in an FSG video.
The only other options are mew and that has a bit more of a niche since it can learn any tm move. (The other three, Manaphy, Jirachi and Victini have niches that find much more prominent use than Celebi)
@@TheRaidantDXgood vs rain teams, is it not ? Not like UU is exactly bad either, as in gen 6. I wonder if it would still be OU if it just had fairy type.
Aria Meloetta does make for a real nice late game cleaner, especially to back up King's Rock Beat Up mons like Fezandipidi and Charizard. Really wish it hadn't missed out on gen 8 because both Durant and alolan Persian got Beat Up and both are fantastic at abusing it.
Meloetta needs a rework of her form change gimmick and some other minor additions to become at least OU relevant. Her form change should work with a non held item like deoxys; maybe a flute or something you keep in your bag to seap between Aria and pirouette. She stays in whatever form until you use relic song or the flute again out of battle. Relic song would be changed to 110 power and atk on the physical or special side depending on the higher offensive stat. Some movepool additions if she doesn't have them already: nasty plot, bulk up, swordance, aura sphere, agility, recover, drain punch, power up punch, psychic noise, u-turn, teleport.
Top 5 Mythical Pokemon: 1) Arceus (obviously) 2) Marshadow (OU for several seconds) 3) Deoxys (averaging its forms still has it firmly in Ubers) 4) Skymin (still the only unanimous ban?) 5) Genesect (a top mon in Gen 5 Ubers and perennial suspect test ace) Which saves me the trouble of explaining Magearna over Darkrai for the last spot
I wish VGC would release mythicals for a year instead of always keeping them locked up all the time. Crazy how they have worse stats then "restricted" Pokemon and yet they are never allowed. Some may actually do way well in VGC doubles then they could ever do in singles and we will never see the day where that meta can develop. So what if some people haven't got the events. It isn't like gamefreak isn't already gatekeeping some people with needing specific games and DLC to get certain restricted Pokemon. The event only thing isn't good enough of an excuse at this point.
Feels like within the next couple gens they'll probably need to bump Arceus to 140s and the 100s to 120s to keep their gameplay from becoming totally divorced from their lore significance
Shaymin Sky is one of my favorite legendaries/mythicals along with Articuno and Suicune, always thought it was really fun to play with and Serene Grace people into quitting
So it turns out Phione isn't a full mythical like its mom, its officially called a "quasi-mythical" but nobody outside of GF and TPC are supposed to have known that. I'm assuming Meltan possibly counts as this too, but the chart indicating "mythical status" that the aforementioned Phione was on listed as such was made some time before LPLE so nobody can know for sure tl'dr, its a moot point as its still more or less what everyone thought it was
Manaphy originally hatched from an egg you could transfer from Pokémon Ranger (but only once per Ranger cartridge). Naturally this would make players want to try and make more Manaphy eggs by breeding it with Ditto. My best guess for why Phione exists is because they didn't want to disappoint people who wanted to try breeding a Manaphy, but also didn't want to make Manaphy itself too easy to obtain and distribute, hence Phione being both its offspring and a knock-off.
@False Swipe Gaming For me, I say they could just do two ways for these 100 based mythical Pokemon. They are my overall favorite Pokemon to have. Option 1: simply replace their Psychic Type with Fairy Type. It’s not just lore wise good, but also fitting for them thematically. Perhaps a move poll and a needed stat distribution rework. For Melia and Phione, they may as well just drop their mythical status altogether just to make them proper Little Cup moms. Make them common wild Pokemon to catch in-game with a grindy method to evolve them to a Manaphy. Same case for Melia into becoming Melmetal. Option 2:. Make all of the small and cute 100 based mythical Pokemon catchable in the wild like any other odd encounter. Give them like a Bagon or Absol Encounter percentage rate. Extra request, make them legitimately breedable. Some of us are down hatching a bunch of Jirachi or Mew eggs. Who’s to say we can just breed a bunch of shaymins we catch in the wild?
I know everyone is gonna want a top 5 mythicals, but id love to see a few videos about how mythical pokemon would impact VGC, things like Arceus would be obviously cracked in gen 4 vgc, but im sure you guys could figure out a way to do interesting things with the idea
Me wishing Celebi had a corrupted form based off its “Withered” dark form from Pokémon 4Ever. Maybe have either it’s SpAtk & Speed/Defense & SpDef spike, that way it can be a better attacker or cleric?
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I was honestly waiting for the how good was phione actually, but this definitely works. I want it to get at least a little more attention. If gamefreak could just give it calm mind, that’d be fantastic, I could feel better about wanting to use it 😭
Putting Celebi on this list after it being uber in generation two, a meta game staple in generation 3, and a past meta game staple in generation five (before some bans) is ridiculous. Like it’s not good now, but ignoring its history on a channel that used to be about a Pokémon’s competitive history is laughable.
Celebi is my favorite Pokemon, but even I have to admit that it’s not really viable in competitive nowadays. But thanks for pointing out it’s positives as well, clearly the best of the worst.
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100 stats across the board just isn't enough these days...
Not just "isn't enough" 100 is straight up bad nowadays
“It doesn’t have much, but it does have that base 100 stat” - Haydunn
It arguably was never enough, Jirachi for example is good not because of its stats, but typing, ability, and movepool.
Edit: oh yeah mew, but since I think around gen 5-6 it’s been waning.
@@bluespy4050 Agree.
@Eternatus00 I wouldn't say straight up bad, just mediocre
The funniest part about the hypothetical “top five strongest mythical pokemon” video is that shaymin will be there too
It's sky version
My goat marshadow will finally get some light
A Shaymin?
*the Shaymin puts on a Gracidea*
Sky form Shaymin?!
@@typhlosion7872 ah a man of culture, take my upvote
I actually hestitated on if skymin can be top 5 lol
Learning that this video was originally going to be a "How BAD was Phione ACTUALLY?" video, before FSG turned it into something different that does involve Phione, is a pretty funny twist of events. Mon is so bad that its competitive history can be summarized in a 2 minute section of a different, related video.
It's funny because this means bad Pokemon like Ledian had more of a competitive history than Phione did 😂
@homerman76 The Ledian video was a longer because FSG decided to troll knowing Ledian is bad anyways.
The irony of Celebi being bad competitively when it's about to completely tear apart TCG Pocket
Isn't every card doing that at this point. If a single on of these cards was in the actual TCG it'd be game breaking
arcanine might be the countermeta now lol
celebi was pretty game breaking in its debut too
Power Creep and time fucked It over
The deck is so annoying to deal with... pure gamble nonsense. Uncounterable if you're unlucky.
@@ChilaAuroraVT You realize Pocket is massively scaled *down* in power when compared to the modern TCG?
The current Charizard EX has 330 HP, ramps your team by 3 as soon as it enters the field, hits 180+ for 2 energy with the potential deal up to 330, and cannot be damaged by attacks while on the bench.
"Phione doesn't even get calm mind", it did get Take heart, which is calm mind plus refresh... but way too late for it to help with powercreep.
At least is somewhat threatning in Randbats with that set tho
@@luirromenjivar1390yeah, that thing in randbats is terrifying
Celebi and Shaymin are the definition of “athletes” who were legends in their prime, but have been clinging to it for years while a lack of betterment caused them to fall to the wayside as the up-and-comers redefine the game.
The Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers of Pokémon.
Celebi could be fixed, give it fairy typing.
you know meloetta in its either forms isnt weak, just is in a predicament like zen mode darmanitan. If there was an item like the orbs to keep it in one form, it would be much better
Still, I don't know if it'd be worth sacrificing an item slot just for Pirouette Form Meloetta.
Even better, change Aria Song to be a move that can be used out of battle to switch Meloetta's form on the field, That way, you still keep the item slot free.
@@mjdxp5688 It’s sort of a Mega Lopunny so… maybe?
@@GenesisSanctuary That seems like the best solution. Even better if you can still change forms in battle if you really want to.
4:38 Focus Blast will ALWAYS be known as Focus Miss. ALWAYS! I hate moves without perfect accuracy because I somehow always miss when it matters. 😭
I would rather have the secondary effect be a higher critical chance, like with Stone Edge. It feels like such a slap in the face to have it only lower Sp Def by 1 stage. 😢
I think if relic song worked by always using the stats of the other meloetta and scaling off of the higher attacking stat, that could make it better (not Ou by any means but good enough to actually see the pirouette form)
The photon geyser treatment.
@@frostmourne1986 yes
For Meloetta It could be two moves entirely like Psychic "Relic Song" and Fighting "Relic Dance" and the form in the overworld and Battle is whichever fills the first move Slot. Then a bump in power from 75 to 80~90 including a bump 10% to either 12~15% to Sleep, Paralyze or Confuse. would be great. Considering we have Pokemon like Iron head jirachi with 60% flinch or zen headbutt with 40%. Or Current menace Dire Claw Sneasler with a 50% chance to Poison/Sleep/Paralyze. And instead of an item to switch between about a Version "Stance Change" to Something like "Dance Break", which refers when a Singer transitions from singing to focus on Dancing. Let's say you're in base form to trigger "Dance Break" you'd use a Dance or Step to swap into Pirouette Form, and vise versa with Sound or Singing move. With a secondary effect like a weaker "Dancer" like 40~45% chance to copy another Pokemon Dance/Step or Singing/Sound. Or "Punk Rock" with a 10~20% boost to mentioned moves and a resistance up to 30~40% to those moves. Finally 1 or 2 Normal, Psychic and/or Fighting moves with secondary effects. It has a wide move set, but a huge lack of good stab moves to use "Serene Grace" with. Its typing isn't too defensive and it bulk is ok
Good old days where Hidden Power could be physical or special and you absolutely had to account for it
Meloetta is my favorite mythical and yes she may be bad but at least she’s bad enough to make it on the thumbnail
Huge Meloetta W
Meanwhile in PTCGP, Celebi is considered to be one of the most broken card in the game by pairing with Serperior’s ability.
Lmao
And I’m Pokemon Masters where it has a 100% chance to flinch the opponent
Hmm I wonder why? And we all thought mewtwo ex was annoying and everywhere. Get ready for this bs. BTW there's no hard limit to how many coins celebi can flip
@@angterrastriker There's 990 damage limit
Blaine decks continue to eat well lol.
We getting 5 "How bad was ... Actually" summaries in 1 video. Mythical style
Outside of Japan, in gen3 mythicals were known as Toys'R'Us pokemons in the USA and ActionReplay pokemons in other parts of the world.
100 stats got very power creeped also a weakness to dark and or ghost can really hurt if the Pokemon doesn't have very high speed. The ubiquity of dark and ghost moves hurt these mythicals quite a bit. Meltan is just really difficult to evolve
4:39 focus miss got me crying
Hit or miss
I guess they never hit huh
This released just when Pokémon TCGP just came out with Celebi EX who currently took over the meta with Serperior support.
What a timing considering Celebi released yesterday in TCG Pocket is wreaking havoc
Meloetta needs to stay in one form during battle. Because as it is now it's like Zen mode Darmanitan.
Or to have some sort of adjustment to how relic song works plus maybe one other move that works similar to tera blast 🤔
Somebody give Celebi a hug, they need it!
Don't worry Celebi is having her flowers in Pocket, thank you Serperior
Now we need a “Top 5 Mythical Pokémon video”
Of course, we all know lord Arceus will be at the top.
I wish they would have given Phione something. They could have at least given it base 90 instead of 80. And give the poor thing tail glow.
and while at it, also give that move to Lanturn and Ampharos, because ... c'mon.
@@IschmarVI Ampharos not having Tail Glow is genuinely baffling. It can light itself bright enough to be used as a lighthouse, and also use the light-up orb on its tail to fire off electricity, but _can't_ learn Tail Glow??
And I don't buy the "excuse" that it'd be too overpowered. No it wouldn't. In the older gens, maybe, but nowadays? You practically _have_ to have broken attributes to even be a blip on the radar.
It is interesting how half of the list has a common thread of “they have a bad type combination” along with their individual shortcomings whilst the other half of the list can be boiled down to “they need better move pools”
Plus the undercurrent of " the classic base 100 across the board loses to min maxed spreads"
Trivia: Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs uniquely refers to Mythical Pokémon as “Rare Pokémon” outside of Japan where most other games still used the Legendary classification. It wasn’t until Keldeo’s worldwide debut in 2012 where international audiences were introduced to the term “Mythical”.
Phione actually does get a calm mind adjacent move in gen 9: take heart, which also heals status. There's a strat on random battles sets with scale, take heart, rest + sleep talk to get the wake up AND a calm mind boost. Not a lot, and probably wayyy too late for any real niche in the current gen, but it exists
Being mythical is worse than being a psuedo
Yet some of the newer ones are in UBERs
the reason some of the newer ones are in ubers is because of their stats aren't just a flat 100 in everything, have absurd types and have good movepools.
Well yeah, most of them were made more for the marketing power of a cute movie mascot than for any more substantial reason 🤔
Celebi great in everything but master of none.The curse of having base 100 stats.
oooh this will be a good watch for lunch today
I just ate dinner :(
FSG is the best channel to watch while eating lunch
Funnily enough my rarest shiny Pokémon that I didn't get from an event is a shiny Phione. Was mass breeding them for online trading and ended up getting a shiny.
I believe I initially got the initial Phione from Wonder Trade. Somehow not hacked.
When a Sonic fan makes an argument about what color(s) Sonic's arms should be, it always reminds me of those guys that freak out when you call Mew a legendary.
Hope none of the people I sweep at Pokedoku Tic-Tac-Toe learn about Serebii's list of Mythicals. 😂
They should give my queen Meloetta a permanent out of battle form change, imagine how hard Scarf Meloetta-Pirouette will go in the lower tiers!
I swear they should have made Celebi a grass fairy Mon, since U-Turn is everywhere its so hard to play with it
there is literally no excuse not to make it fairy, aside from maybe thematically getting STAB from Future Sight
I find it ironic that despite Bug being the worst offensive type in the game, being 4x weaker to it is usually a death sentence competitively just because of how insanely good U-Turn is.
Plenty of meta staples can position around their 4x weaknesses to actually powerful types-Rock, Fire, Ice, Fighting, Electric, etc… but Bug of all things is just one of those types where you’re screwed if you get blown up by it because there’s no safe way to maneuver around it.
Even worse, most Mythicals are ALSO weak to Dark, which is the other type you really don’t want to be weak to because of how spammable Knock Off and Sucker Punch is.
@@dc_dachialso, the fact that everything learns u-turn, is annoying, they should have restricted it more.
And now Celebi has taken over TCG Pocket as revenge
Meloetta may not be competitively viable but that won't change the fact that it's been my favourite Mythical since Gen 5.
So basically, Meloetta is Zen Mode Darmanitan all over again. I have no clue why Game Freak thought making these Pokémon transform into completely different, counterintuitive forms could possibly work in Gen 5, but thank goodness they cut that out afterwards. Hell, I'm betting this had some applicable lessons for the Mega Evolutions that happened the very next generation.
most of the mythicals are psychic type.
Knock off: i'll end this guys whole carreer.
I wish Meloetta had a form change item so you can have her as her dance form without wasting a slot
Just so everyone is clear, mythicals are legendaries. I see too many people say they’re a separate thing as opposed to what they actually are (a subset)
just so everything is clear, mythicals have always been marketed as separate from legendaries in Japan, while they have often been called just "legendaries" outside of Japan, at least during the earlier generations.
I also do believe that the most reasonable distribution would be to consider them a type of legendaries, alongside sub-legendaries and true/box-legendaries.
They should give both meloetta forms scrappy
Mythical Pokémon are (almost) always obtainable outside the games, while legendaries can get caught by anyone that plays the game casually
13:39 Very true, I'm glad we've reached the conclusion that we should drop skymin into OU thank you for coming to my ted talk.
I'm fine with phione meltan and hoppa, they act as the sort of collector item baby counterparts to otherwise fantastic mons. Hoopa especially is cool because I always liked the idea of a ghost type that could become a dark type, like he gave up his intangibility for a physical body that made him even more powerful.
Meloetta should have had a key item dedicated to it that allows it to switch between its Aria and Pirouette formes; it could be the guitar that the musician at Castelia used. Relic Song switching Meloetta’s formes in battle is too awkward and wastes a move slot especially considering that both formes do completely different things.
Either that, or maybe another signature attacking move that behaves similar to tera blast, meaning Meloetta can play an interesting form of mixed attacker 🤔
and headbutt ... and then troll the entire metagame with 60% flinch chance .... wait, why does that sound so familiar?
-all hail twave rest snore meloetta-
I’ve played so much Pokemon Auto Chess that I completely forgot that Meloetta Aria was part Psychic. In PAC it’s just Normal Sound, and adds Fighting to those two in Pirouette.
"various forms of coverage like Focus Miss"
“Focus blast”🚫
“Focus Miss” ✅
Mythical/Illusion are event only pokemon that are related to the lore, they usually aren't as strong as legendaries even if the lore says otherwise
I feel like Phione was made at the last minute when Generation IV was in production. I literally forgot that it was a mythical, and the fact that you can only get it by breeding Manaphy and Ditto.
I will forever die on the hill that mythical Pokemon are a subset of legendaries, and not a separate group. It makes literally no sense otherwise.
I get the theme of 100 across the board, but the fact that getting slapped by Celebi hit a lot harder than being literally stabbed by Cobalion just does not make any sense
Celebi had a very respectful career, fallen of in recent gens, but if they just gave it fairy typing, it could see a revival.
Its loterally a fary, so it fits perfectly too.
Am I the only one who wants to see a video about "Best legendary/mythical pokémon that have never been in Ubers"?
"This Pokémon is super rare; very hard to get."
😮
"But it stinks."
😢
As someone who's caught a ton of Meltan because of GO, I honestly have no idea how its stats or movepool looks in mainline lol. Because you have to evolve it in GO before sending it on a one-way trip to HOME, or else it'll never become a Melmetal
*BLASTOISE REMAKE WHEN*
You guys started the list with CELIBI. You're just here to start fights, huh?
I mean, it makes sense, but I've never doubletaked harder in an FSG video.
it fell off hardcore after gen 5; even in gen 5 OU it's suspect.
The only other options are mew and that has a bit more of a niche since it can learn any tm move. (The other three, Manaphy, Jirachi and Victini have niches that find much more prominent use than Celebi)
@@TheRaidantDXgood vs rain teams, is it not ?
Not like UU is exactly bad either, as in gen 6.
I wonder if it would still be OU if it just had fairy type.
600 is such a large pool and so many of them just distribute their stats equally 😭
Aria Meloetta does make for a real nice late game cleaner, especially to back up King's Rock Beat Up mons like Fezandipidi and Charizard. Really wish it hadn't missed out on gen 8 because both Durant and alolan Persian got Beat Up and both are fantastic at abusing it.
you didnt have to hit my Lumineon like that...😅 that hurt lol
Meloetta needs a rework of her form change gimmick and some other minor additions to become at least OU relevant. Her form change should work with a non held item like deoxys; maybe a flute or something you keep in your bag to seap between Aria and pirouette. She stays in whatever form until you use relic song or the flute again out of battle. Relic song would be changed to 110 power and atk on the physical or special side depending on the higher offensive stat. Some movepool additions if she doesn't have them already: nasty plot, bulk up, swordance, aura sphere, agility, recover, drain punch, power up punch, psychic noise, u-turn, teleport.
The only thing Phione is notable for is forcing Johnstone into the most hellish Masuda Method hunt of all time in Scarlet and Violet.
Top 5 Mythical Pokemon:
1) Arceus (obviously)
2) Marshadow (OU for several seconds)
3) Deoxys (averaging its forms still has it firmly in Ubers)
4) Skymin (still the only unanimous ban?)
5) Genesect (a top mon in Gen 5 Ubers and perennial suspect test ace)
Which saves me the trouble of explaining Magearna over Darkrai for the last spot
I wish VGC would release mythicals for a year instead of always keeping them locked up all the time. Crazy how they have worse stats then "restricted" Pokemon and yet they are never allowed. Some may actually do way well in VGC doubles then they could ever do in singles and we will never see the day where that meta can develop. So what if some people haven't got the events. It isn't like gamefreak isn't already gatekeeping some people with needing specific games and DLC to get certain restricted Pokemon. The event only thing isn't good enough of an excuse at this point.
Feels like within the next couple gens they'll probably need to bump Arceus to 140s and the 100s to 120s to keep their gameplay from becoming totally divorced from their lore significance
Gamefreak really just needs to stop ignoring the massive powercreep they've been introducing into the games
Arceus is still pretty strong with its base 120s and vast movepool. It is consistently Top 5 in Ubers in at least one of its forms
In Gen6 i ran a physical speed support Celebi:
- Jolly nature + Kings Rock.
• Zen Headbutt.
• U,Turn, Seed Bomb, Fling.
• Thunder wave.
• Swords Dance or Swagger.
My Gen4 Event Celebi:
-Hasty nature + Life Orb.
• Nasty Plot.
• Giga Drain.
• Ancient Power.
• Sucker Punch - G4 Tutor.
Stall Celebi:
- Timid nature + LeftOvers/BrightPowder.
• Psychic.
• LeechSeed.
• Mud Slap.
• Thunder Wave.
Shaymin Sky is one of my favorite legendaries/mythicals along with Articuno and Suicune, always thought it was really fun to play with and Serene Grace people into quitting
This video is how i learned Meoletta has a 2nd form
So it turns out Phione isn't a full mythical like its mom, its officially called a "quasi-mythical" but nobody outside of GF and TPC are supposed to have known that.
I'm assuming Meltan possibly counts as this too, but the chart indicating "mythical status" that the aforementioned Phione was on listed as such was made some time before LPLE so nobody can know for sure
tl'dr, its a moot point as its still more or less what everyone thought it was
I didn't play many of the games fully, and then got into showdown. Genuinely did not know meloetta was a mythic mon because of how mediocre it seemed
I'm not even sure why Phione exists. Like- did the designers really look at Manaphy and say "okay, but what if it was just bad?"
Manaphy originally hatched from an egg you could transfer from Pokémon Ranger (but only once per Ranger cartridge). Naturally this would make players want to try and make more Manaphy eggs by breeding it with Ditto.
My best guess for why Phione exists is because they didn't want to disappoint people who wanted to try breeding a Manaphy, but also didn't want to make Manaphy itself too easy to obtain and distribute, hence Phione being both its offspring and a knock-off.
The four move slot dilemma, great tusk theorem
@False Swipe Gaming For me, I say they could just do two ways for these 100 based mythical Pokemon. They are my overall favorite Pokemon to have.
Option 1: simply replace their Psychic Type with Fairy Type. It’s not just lore wise good, but also fitting for them thematically. Perhaps a move poll and a needed stat distribution rework. For Melia and Phione, they may as well just drop their mythical status altogether just to make them proper Little Cup moms. Make them common wild Pokemon to catch in-game with a grindy method to evolve them to a Manaphy. Same case for Melia into becoming Melmetal.
Option 2:. Make all of the small and cute 100 based mythical Pokemon catchable in the wild like any other odd encounter. Give them like a Bagon or Absol Encounter percentage rate. Extra request, make them legitimately breedable. Some of us are down hatching a bunch of Jirachi or Mew eggs. Who’s to say we can just breed a bunch of shaymins we catch in the wild?
Top 5 Best Mythical Pokemon: 5 different forms of Arceus
15:27 Phione and Take Heart?
Still waiting for How Lost in Alcohol was SPINDA actually?!?!
anyone notice how 4 of the 5 of these are either Grass, Psychic or Grass/Psychic and than the closest thing to a Mythical pre-evo
Now i wanna see the best mythicals
Hoopa is underrated. I used it in Gen 7 UU on a Sticky Webs team and it does decently well.
I know everyone is gonna want a top 5 mythicals, but id love to see a few videos about how mythical pokemon would impact VGC, things like Arceus would be obviously cracked in gen 4 vgc, but im sure you guys could figure out a way to do interesting things with the idea
We gotta get Oricorio a video, my favorite Pokemon is pretty interesting competitively
I guess you could say their myth is not very impactful
You laugh at Celebi now but in TCG Pocket they're a MENACE over here!
Me wishing Celebi had a corrupted form based off its “Withered” dark form from Pokémon 4Ever. Maybe have either it’s SpAtk & Speed/Defense & SpDef spike, that way it can be a better attacker or cleric?
Celebi shouldn't be considered one of the bad ones... Its pretty good on gen 3
Yeah, but someone has to take the number 5 slot, and it fell off hard. The other option would most likely be Mew, realistically 🤔
Names not outright stated due to faith in the comment section's basic logic and thinking skills:
5. The Onion DeLorean Fairy and the reason everyone hates/loves the GS Ball arc
4. It Takes Two To Tango, unfortunately
3. More rings than Superman 64, and more restraint on the "phenomenal cosmic powers"
2. Thanks for nothing
1. Hold the phone, I'm melting
As these are all green, why not do the worst 6 coloureds to be?
I was honestly waiting for the how good was phione actually, but this definitely works. I want it to get at least a little more attention. If gamefreak could just give it calm mind, that’d be fantastic, I could feel better about wanting to use it 😭
But hey, at least all of them didn’t get a bad treatment like Darkrai.
Pokemon whos stats betray there designs ie the blastoise theorem
Phione
Putting Celebi on this list after it being uber in generation two, a meta game staple in generation 3, and a past meta game staple in generation five (before some bans) is ridiculous. Like it’s not good now, but ignoring its history on a channel that used to be about a Pokémon’s competitive history is laughable.
U lowkey wanted some of Wolfe’s nachos
i didnt even realize meltan was a pokemon you could get in game lol
How the mighty Celebi has fallen.
What was that bump at 1:13 ?
An editing mistake
4:39 not focus miss 😭💀
Victini is not on this list. Your life is spared.
V-Create go brrr!
Why Healing is Everything:
The Blissey theorm
Celebi is my favorite Pokemon, but even I have to admit that it’s not really viable in competitive nowadays. But thanks for pointing out it’s positives as well, clearly the best of the worst.