Thanks for your video. Like old UA-cam videos used to be. Not ad driven, real person, real content. These are the videos I look for that are not biased by ad driven revenue pseudo influences.
This is such a great video, dude. I spent the last couple of days tuning my 9800X3D + 6400 MHz RAM setup based on various guides and reddit posts, but I ended up frustrated with my numbers and somewhat confused, so I just reset to defaults. I'm going to give it another go based on your methodology. You managed to keep it simple and clear while still answering every question I had.
Subscribed. Great explanation. Goes a lot further than Buildzoids videos. You alluded to it, but the graphs to explain what shaper and PBO is doing would be the icing on the cake.
Back when I first upgraded to my 5900x I could NOT find a decent explanation on so many of these settings. One video would have one explanation, another would talk about a niche setting or recommendation. I sincerely wish I had this back then. SO many hours.
I use the same settings for PBO curve negative Stable on testing hours of free browser and Stable on 6 hours gaming continuously with no more than 62° on cpu bench and no more than 50° on gaming Thanks a lot
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Hmm pretty interesting. Still undecided on if i should do it though. Found most of everything in this gigabyte bios which is a bit confusing as its my first time usuing their boards previously uses asus. Personally i think all id really want is to maintain the same performance or a little bit more while reducing power and temperature further.
I tried some of your settings. This is my first time using AMD X3D chips, as I’ve always used Intel before. My 9800X3D stays under 62°C and runs at under 1.200V while playing BF2042 at 1080p (I'm using a 420mm AIO Arctic Freezer III RGB). I set the boost clock override to +100 instead of +200, though I’d like to try +275 for 5.5GHz. For the Precision Boost Override, I used a scaler of X2 instead of X10. I set the Curve Optimizer to -20 for all cores and the Curve Shaper to 10 (instead of 10 and 15). I didn’t change the Load Line Calibration. Also, I have the side panel off my case with a fan blowing on the RAM.
Nice. At those temps and voltage I'd go ahead for the +200mhz. That's the limit though pbo won't let you go higher. If it's stable and cool you've got a winner enjoy the chip.
You do get a small boost for running synced in 1:1. But it doesnt take much to overcome that by just haviny a higher FCLK. In 2:1 mode it matters a LOT though
PPT/TDC/EDC limits are not "always" 1000 on motherboard limits. If the motherboard manufacturer took the time to program them they will be whatever they were programmed to. You can often see the limits in HWINFO64 for different boards if the bios wont let you see when you select the value.
Always tune your memory first, you can’t test your memory with a potentially unstable overclock on the cores. Just a memory tune on both my samples without pbo in the timespy cpu test scores 17500. You can set you div mode in the dram timing configurator in the extreme tweaked tab.
Hey man, great video. I have the same system as yours and is my first time using an AMD cpu. I have watched your previous video for a couple of times 😂 My cpu has the same sp nr.
I bought the 9800X3D and paired it with the X870E Crosshair Hero, using a 32GB (2x16GB) 8000MT/s RAM kit with timings of 38-48-48-84. The setup is flawless, with no crashes and stable performance while gaming. The MCLK is set to 4000, FCLK to 2000, and UCLK to 2000. I also tested a 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s RAM kit with timings of 28-36-36-96. While the 6000MT/s kit showed higher read, write, and copy speeds, it had higher latency compared to the 8000MT/s kit, as tested using AIDA64. FYI - I used UCLK=MEMECLK/2 (case of having to obviously using 8000MT/s).
Great video and explanations. Any advice on temps? Running the exact same settings as you (with scalar at 10x however atm), my temps reached the limit of 96 degrees with fans maxed out prior to starting the run with Realtime priority and final score of 1393. Cooler is a Lian Li Galahad II Trinity 360mm with push/pull config and case has great airflow. Using a thermal grizzly kryosheet as well. Is it possible to have mounting issues if the temps still nearly instantly drop to 47 degrees for CPU die and 35-37 degrees for the CCD itself or so after Cinebench finishes? Room ambient temp is in the mid-high 20s. My memory is 6000MHz CL30 with the Buildzoid timings for everything. When I run with basic PBO, no 200MHz increase, Curve Optimiser at -30 and scalar at 10x, it happily sits around 70 degrees in Baldur's Gate 3. But with 200MHz offset it sits around 81-88 degrees. Would have thought my cooling was pretty good.
Did you find out what was the cause? If not try using scalar on 1x and play a little bit with Loadline calibration. However temps should not be that high
Hello Johnny im running 9800x3d with Tforce ram 6000cl30 I watched your video and tested this settings on my setup and it took a while to get it working so in the end im running -25 curve optimizer with PBO +200mhz and Loadline calibration on 5. Also asus x670e-a motherboard My Ram is running on 6400mhz cl30 1.45v with FCLK 2200mhz 1:1 But i dont understand one thing why is on my cinebench run Vcore voltage around 1.280v and while gaming 1.341? Is it safe to be that high? Im not really sure should i try running all the same settings but just with LLC on 4? Instead of 5? Also im running Soc Voltage on 1.2v
I have my 9950x with the PBO in enhancement and thermal limit 90, it runs very well, but sometimes it happens to me that the games close without any error, they simply exit to the desktop. My rams are intel xmp gskill 2x16 6400 CL32 ( xmp on ) with an asus rog x870e wifi gaming.
6:20 Why is your refresh interval 35000? Unless your sticks are running super hot or something you should max that out at 65535 unless I'm missing something with this setup.
I had initially set the voltage high so I just reduced it in case of heat. Turned out not to be a problem. I'm gonna continue to play around with it. Thanks for reminding me ill increase it again.
Many boards are setup this way. I have just used extreme tweaker and the settings worked. the only thing I changed in AMD overclocking was the Memclk divider.
Did you have any problems installing your Arctic Freezer III 420mm on your X870E Hero? I have the same cooler and motherboard, and the heatsink on the Hero is a bit tight against the Arctic cooler. It works, but man, it’s really tight. How did you manage? Thanks for the videos, by the way!
Love the video quick question is there any real difference between the x870e hero vs the x870e strix or could I follow this video down to the t if I get the x870e strix instead of your hero
you can't follow any guide to a t because every cpu is different... if this guy is actually running 6400mhz with 1:1 uclk at 2200fclk, stable, like, in an actual memory benchmark like linpack or ycruncher, his cpu is a golden sample. the vast majority cannot run those settings. the majority can't even run 1:1 uclk at 6400mhz at all. most are not stable at -20 global curve offset either. this is really, really bad advice that gets thrown around constantly because people don't know how to actually stress test and just accept that occasional crashes are "normal" when overclocking/undervolting. you probably don't need a motherboard that costs more than 2-300 dollars if you had to ask this question.
@ I ordered the strix I wanted to know if should cancel and the hero like is worth the extra 200 dollar I usually always buy the strike version of ASUS higher end boards never gone for like the hero or godlike class board just wanted to know if it’s worth it
@@rawhide_kobayashi nah on that last advice I like high end parts I ain’t slapping my ddr5 8000cl 38 or ddr5 6400 cl 30 or 4090 strix on no cheap mobo im sorry im just looking to switch from intel to AMD only reason ignorant to AMD but on intel iv been ocing and tuning ram for years
@@DivisionGrounds if you want 8000mhz memory to work, you shouldn't even be looking at 4 dimm motherboards to begin with... but even on 2 dimm boards, you aren't guaranteed to get that speed. it's silicon lottery on the cpu. and the motherboard is irrelevant to running 6400mhz memory. every motherboard can run 6400mhz memory. the limiting factor is the cpu i/o die. that's 100% cpu-bound silicon lottery.
I vouch for 10x scalar leading to degradation. My 5900x with a very overkill mobo + solid cooling (x570 dark hero with 360aio) has suffered in single core peak frequencies, which used to be able to boost up do 5.0ghz for one or two seconds but 1 year later only goes up to 4.7ghz with the same settings
Dont think scalar had anything to do with it, I have a 5900x that has lost the ability to run stable with SMT enabled after running at "stock". With SMT disabled it can boost to 5.15ghz perfectly stable though, and run all core at 4.7ghz
Degradation should have shown up as micro lagg or crashes. The cpu not boosting to a certain frequency is controlled by a different mechanism and its not smart enough to detect degradation and downclock. You have to manualy tune down speed or up the voltage yourself to work around degradation. A another side theres several factos that can stop your cpu from boosting like bios revision, dust buildup, particulates in the water block, dried up heat paste and windows settings. Assuming its degradation should be the last thing on the list.
Hello, I watched your videos to play around with PBO settings. It seems like no matter what I do, except for playing around with load line calibration, Vcore stays at around 1.3V for my results in hwinfo while running a cinebench multicore workload. VID's are reporting around 1.215V consistently. I see that in your case it's the opposite, Vcore is lower than VIDs. I set my scalar at 1x as well. What am I missing? I set curve optimizer to negative 25, scalar is 1x, frequency is +200 (5400). LLC is currently at Auto (i think it automatically sets it to 5), anything between 1 and 5 results in lower voltages overall, but difference between VID and Vcore is still there, and Vcore is consistently higher. Mobo is ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI
@@JohnnyRage303 Nope. I put the PBO to enhancement and set it to 80C target. Still seeing vcore higher than VID, but at least its throtting at 80C now. Also disclaimer, I don't even know where to manually set voltages
@ sorry for the late reply VID is what the CPU is requesting and Vcore is what is currently receiving. I usually see the request slightly higher than the receive. that's why you see my VID higher then VCORE. if yours is running flat 1.3 then there is some setting in your bios keeping it there. if its fluctuating but just higher, I'm not sure off the top of my head. just to experiment I would save your profile and reset factory settings and monitor it to see if the same thing occurs.
Good vid thx . I lost the silicon lottery . My 9800x3D (SP 112 , cooling 160) just can't do 6400 RAM without errors ,my 7800x3d had no problem with the same RAM kit+same mobo before @6400 . For now im using 6200 cl26 but hoping future bios updates will allow me to run 6400 again ,just like i did on my 7800x3d. One tip : i saw your CPU VDDIO /MC voltage is 1,41+V . My asus mobo also set it at 1,45 on auto, but it works just fine with manual 1,25-1,28 range , there is no point to run it that high.
Its not only mobo or cpu dependant, also bios/agesa firmware. I had a cases where on one bios version memory can do higher speeds and stability than on another. Re-try couple months later when updates will come.
in 3D cpu enable PBO or overclock not worth it,risk is high , but on normal cpu like 9950x enable PBO is good , they need it to reach turbo frequency(risk is low)
May I ask how you're getting such low temp numbers on idle? Like 30 in the BIOS and 36c for both Tctl/Tdie and CCD1(Tdie)? I have a 420 AIO but on the desktop i'm idling at 46c Tctl/Tdie and 35c CCD1(Tdie). Is the Curve Shaper doing this :o ? Or perhaps you are using a water loop for your 420?
@@gucky4717 Hmm I do live in a hotter area but my room is usually cold. Somewhere around 27c atm because I don't like it colder. So your Tctl/Tdie is 30-32c with your CCD1(Tdie) at
@@_GntlStone_ That's possible so i'll repaste tonight just to be sure. Thing is the 420 I got is a Liquid Freezer iii. I remember the LF ii having an offset position for the AMD hotspot, but the LF iii doesn't have that so I guess it's already taken into account. But the LF iii doesn't fully cover the CPU (by design). So like 5% of the top of the CPU isn't covered by the heatsink. That made a good amount of the paste I applied spill out..
@@sallya.259 Tdie is the highest temp within all sensors. I might also might have a bad paste application. :D I used the TF7 that came with my phantom spirit, but it was VERY dry, not even sticking to the IHS. I checked after mounting it once, and it spread VERY thin across the whole IHS, so I thing it was ok and mounted it again without changing the paste. :D Waiting for a new paste atm. I also played around with the settings a bit, but what I see is that I need to burn in the CPU a bit, before the temps and such become constant.
Mine take 23s to boot. It analyzed the ram once or twice for close to a minute when I set the timings. I bought a 64gb kit with expo for 6400 and 6000. It was also on the qvl list for my x870e-e Asus strix board.
I keep hearing about that but I do not see any of that on my 7800X3D. Even compared to my 13900kf. They both launch applications about as fast (sometimes the Intel loads an app faster sometimes the AMD loads apps faster). I haven't seen any windows lag about the biggest difference I've seen is launching Steam. It launches about 30 milliseconds faster on my 13900kf build.
@@XxViciousxX Thank you for the reply. Most say the experience is great as you did. But there are other who also experience the hitching and lag while using windows
4090 is liquid suprim. It's not the silicon winner but i might make a video on settings my mem clock is pretty high. I've considered hof bios but haven't flashed it yet.
Hello you said beginning of the video you set: uclk 2/1 ratio. But in the video time at 23.03 you showing that uclk 1/1 ratio. I mean it is sync like 6000 mhz kit. You running Uclk at 3200 mhz. I have 6400 mhz kit running at expo 1 desynced. My uclk at 1600. Can you explain to me please. Am i wrong ? If you want i can mail my snapshots. Edit i missnderstood. I finished the video. But i cant run my memory kit uclk=mem clock. On the windows loading screen its freeze. I have xpg 6400 cl32 2x32gb kit with 9800x3d. And also i cant go further at negative 20 on the curve shaper. When i did negative 30 its freeze while cinebench r23. I think i completly lost silicon lattery :(
6400mt/s memory is 3200mhz because ddr is double data rate. So you're seeing 1600mhz because it's running memclock/2. So it's 6400mt/s ram that's 3200mhz and your running /2 to get 1600. You need to set memclk = uclk
@@JohnnyRage303 I tried uclk=memclock but it wouldnt post. Essentailly i ended up with expo 1 and Asus inclueded hynix memory timings. Is it really important uclk=memclock ? Am i missing so much performance? Btw my kit adata 6400 cl32 32x2 kit. Thank you for your answer ♥
I have no idea why people still scared of 10X PBO Scalar. Der8auer tested this setting and came to the conclusion that you need to utilize your CPU flat out 100% for like 3 years 10hours a day to actually start noticing a degradation. I have my 5600x on scalar 10x already 3 years (gaming + fun blender development) and i see 0 changes in terms of stability,performance,voltage etc...
I'm trying to find the reference but I thought I read from amd 1.4v is the max with the new cache. But I'm just keeping it lower to be safe until they've been out longer.
@ @JohnnyRage303 upon compiling shaders in the new dragon age game the cpu gets up to 94 degrees hot, the max advertised temp is 95. Should i draw back a bit? I also have scaler only on 1x.
Shouldn't fclk be 2133 with ram of 6400? You might see an improvement. Maybe each is different, as buildzoid saw 2033 was his best performance, but my system hates anything but 2000, it runs fine, but it slows everything down. so i have to run 2000 or i get worst performance everywhere. It's as if i have timings waiting for eachother. so 🤷♂🤷♂ Also the difference I saw on my 7950x3d from buildzoids to expo timings, was basically nothing. cyberpunk was with in 0.2 fps horizon zero dawn was within 2fps at 190 and forza 5 showed no difference, but cpu showed 615fps at 2000, 590/585 at stock/2033 ... all pretty much with in margin of error, and could be based on background tasks. not worth the risk of instability for MAYBE 1% BUT i'm not running a 9800x3d
With my 7800X3D, I've found FCLK as high as possible is better, as long as its stable. Just run performance benchmarks to see if its better. My system wont run 3000 UCLK so I keep UCLK at 2800 and boosted FCLK to 2133 and the performance definitely increased.
4:21 he mentions why he's running 2200. Memory OC on X3D CPUs does practically nothing for gaming because they're less reliant on memory due to the extra cache. I still like doing it on my 7950X3D system, but its really not impactful.
Thanks for the deep dive! Just out of curiosity, what are your ambient temps? I only ask because your 9800x3d seems to run about 5C cooler than mine at idle and under the same load and I am contemplating a remount/repaste
@@JohnnyRage303 Thanks, yea I was referring to the temperature of the room your PC is in, just in case that wasn't clear. No worries if you forget, I was just curious.
@@JohnnyRage303 if u can go higher fclk like 2100 u could try fclk = uclk mclk = 2* uclk, so fclk 2100 uclk 2100 mclk 4200 (DD5 8400), its high and probebly dont work but on Boards like Asus x870i Strix they say that they support up to 8400 Mhz Ram with a Ryzen 9000 CPU xD
When a Tech companies product turns a grown man into an excited teenager for a couple hours man. I think we should all give pause and appreciate that.
He'll yeah haha
Thanks for the breakdown. I actually only enabled PBO until I have a deeper understanding of what all I’m doing in there.
Hell yeah Johnny. Thank you for the breakdown. I like your content because you're a real person.
Thanks man, I'm just a dude that spends way to much money on computers haha.
@@JohnnyRage303dont worry bro you cant beat going through i7 14700kf 7800x3d and finally 9800x3d all within 6 months xD
@@JohnnyRage303me too but somehow you are way better at it 😂
Thanks for your video. Like old UA-cam videos used to be. Not ad driven, real person, real content. These are the videos I look for that are not biased by ad driven revenue pseudo influences.
we have to support such creators because its been so long since we had genuine creators
Thanks a ton
This is such a great video, dude. I spent the last couple of days tuning my 9800X3D + 6400 MHz RAM setup based on various guides and reddit posts, but I ended up frustrated with my numbers and somewhat confused, so I just reset to defaults. I'm going to give it another go based on your methodology. You managed to keep it simple and clear while still answering every question I had.
Awesome glad i could help.
Subscribed. Great explanation. Goes a lot further than Buildzoids videos. You alluded to it, but the graphs to explain what shaper and PBO is doing would be the icing on the cake.
That’s what passion sounds like good for you brother
Good content. I'll be coming back to this when I get my 9800X3D. Subscribed.
I can’t find it anywhere
@@thingishere That's how it is. Could be a long wait. I'm not getting mine until the new year.
One of the best explanations of PBO settings on UA-cam!
Back when I first upgraded to my 5900x I could NOT find a decent explanation on so many of these settings. One video would have one explanation, another would talk about a niche setting or recommendation. I sincerely wish I had this back then. SO many hours.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
this is best video explanation about PBO. i really love it thank you
I use the same settings for PBO curve negative
Stable on testing hours of free browser and Stable on 6 hours gaming continuously with no more than 62° on cpu bench and no more than 50° on gaming
Thanks a lot
I’m a fellow small channel as well. Subscribed. Good luck on your journey.
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Great vid even better CPU!
Hmm pretty interesting. Still undecided on if i should do it though. Found most of everything in this gigabyte bios which is a bit confusing as its my first time usuing their boards previously uses asus. Personally i think all id really want is to maintain the same performance or a little bit more while reducing power and temperature further.
I tried some of your settings. This is my first time using AMD X3D chips, as I’ve always used Intel before. My 9800X3D stays under 62°C and runs at under 1.200V while playing BF2042 at 1080p (I'm using a 420mm AIO Arctic Freezer III RGB). I set the boost clock override to +100 instead of +200, though I’d like to try +275 for 5.5GHz. For the Precision Boost Override, I used a scaler of X2 instead of X10. I set the Curve Optimizer to -20 for all cores and the Curve Shaper to 10 (instead of 10 and 15). I didn’t change the Load Line Calibration. Also, I have the side panel off my case with a fan blowing on the RAM.
Nice. At those temps and voltage I'd go ahead for the +200mhz. That's the limit though pbo won't let you go higher. If it's stable and cool you've got a winner enjoy the chip.
I'm doing 5225MHz at 1.09v, no clock stretching, 71c on air. I encode 2 8K HEVC videos with SVTAV1 (uses AVX instr.) Is it a golden chip?
Cinebench R24 1431, that's basically the same as mine. Good OC/undervolt you got there
You do get a small boost for running synced in 1:1. But it doesnt take much to overcome that by just haviny a higher FCLK. In 2:1 mode it matters a LOT though
you should tune your ram first my friend ... totally the other way around :D good start of the video! :D
PPT/TDC/EDC limits are not "always" 1000 on motherboard limits. If the motherboard manufacturer took the time to program them they will be whatever they were programmed to. You can often see the limits in HWINFO64 for different boards if the bios wont let you see when you select the value.
Always tune your memory first, you can’t test your memory with a potentially unstable overclock on the cores. Just a memory tune on both my samples without pbo in the timespy cpu test scores 17500. You can set you div mode in the dram timing configurator in the extreme tweaked tab.
Thank you.
I also like the MSI carbon as it has the same overclocking and in my testing holds higher clocks in PBO If setup correctly..😊
I have 2x carbon on 12900k one is my recording pc and once is a aux gaming pc. I love that series.
Hey man, great video. I have the same system as yours and is my first time using an AMD cpu.
I have watched your previous video for a couple of times 😂
My cpu has the same sp nr.
I bought the 9800X3D and paired it with the X870E Crosshair Hero, using a 32GB (2x16GB) 8000MT/s RAM kit with timings of 38-48-48-84. The setup is flawless, with no crashes and stable performance while gaming. The MCLK is set to 4000, FCLK to 2000, and UCLK to 2000. I also tested a 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s RAM kit with timings of 28-36-36-96. While the 6000MT/s kit showed higher read, write, and copy speeds, it had higher latency compared to the 8000MT/s kit, as tested using AIDA64. FYI - I used UCLK=MEMECLK/2 (case of having to obviously using 8000MT/s).
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@@JoeMama-yl1ow Right
Prevideo: I've been really wanting to see someone use PBO on the 98x3d I'm hoping to see 5.7+ single core
very cool!!
Hey awesome video, I wanted to ask you, do you think that a ASUS TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI mobo will work ok for doing this with a 9800x3d?
Yeah quality b series board is fine. The higher tier boards just add I/O options.
thanks! big big job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video and explanations. Any advice on temps? Running the exact same settings as you (with scalar at 10x however atm), my temps reached the limit of 96 degrees with fans maxed out prior to starting the run with Realtime priority and final score of 1393. Cooler is a Lian Li Galahad II Trinity 360mm with push/pull config and case has great airflow. Using a thermal grizzly kryosheet as well. Is it possible to have mounting issues if the temps still nearly instantly drop to 47 degrees for CPU die and 35-37 degrees for the CCD itself or so after Cinebench finishes? Room ambient temp is in the mid-high 20s.
My memory is 6000MHz CL30 with the Buildzoid timings for everything.
When I run with basic PBO, no 200MHz increase, Curve Optimiser at -30 and scalar at 10x, it happily sits around 70 degrees in Baldur's Gate 3. But with 200MHz offset it sits around 81-88 degrees. Would have thought my cooling was pretty good.
Did you find out what was the cause?
If not try using scalar on 1x and play a little bit with Loadline calibration. However temps should not be that high
Hello Johnny im running 9800x3d with Tforce ram 6000cl30
I watched your video and tested this settings on my setup and it took a while to get it working so in the end im running -25 curve optimizer with PBO +200mhz and Loadline calibration on 5.
Also asus x670e-a motherboard
My Ram is running on 6400mhz cl30 1.45v with FCLK 2200mhz 1:1
But i dont understand one thing why is on my cinebench run Vcore voltage around 1.280v and while gaming 1.341? Is it safe to be that high? Im not really sure should i try running all the same settings but just with LLC on 4? Instead of 5?
Also im running Soc Voltage on 1.2v
I'm going to try these!
I have my 9950x with the PBO in enhancement and thermal limit 90, it runs very well, but sometimes it happens to me that the games close without any error, they simply exit to the desktop. My rams are intel xmp gskill 2x16 6400 CL32 ( xmp on ) with an asus rog x870e wifi gaming.
...which means your overclock doesn't run well.
@@Victor_NATOon stock settings i have the same problem.
6:20 Why is your refresh interval 35000? Unless your sticks are running super hot or something you should max that out at 65535 unless I'm missing something with this setup.
I had initially set the voltage high so I just reduced it in case of heat. Turned out not to be a problem. I'm gonna continue to play around with it. Thanks for reminding me ill increase it again.
Should I use Extreme Tweaker or the AMD overclocking menu? The PBO is located in both places in my Asus bios.
Many boards are setup this way. I have just used extreme tweaker and the settings worked. the only thing I changed in AMD overclocking was the Memclk divider.
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Is there a software graph that shows the curve to see how it's doing. Like a picture graph 📊 curve. Not just numbers .sorry I'm not smart sometimes 😊
Did you have any problems installing your Arctic Freezer III 420mm on your X870E Hero? I have the same cooler and motherboard, and the heatsink on the Hero is a bit tight against the Arctic cooler. It works, but man, it’s really tight. How did you manage? Thanks for the videos, by the way!
It was tight I didn't have too big of a problem I've had the question a ton. I guess I should make like a closeup short of it going on.
I still gotta mess with curve shaper. Have curve optimizer at a neg 35.
what's your cinebench score for latest cinebench ?
Love the video quick question is there any real difference between the x870e hero vs the x870e strix or could I follow this video down to the t if I get the x870e strix instead of your hero
you can't follow any guide to a t because every cpu is different... if this guy is actually running 6400mhz with 1:1 uclk at 2200fclk, stable, like, in an actual memory benchmark like linpack or ycruncher, his cpu is a golden sample. the vast majority cannot run those settings. the majority can't even run 1:1 uclk at 6400mhz at all. most are not stable at -20 global curve offset either. this is really, really bad advice that gets thrown around constantly because people don't know how to actually stress test and just accept that occasional crashes are "normal" when overclocking/undervolting.
you probably don't need a motherboard that costs more than 2-300 dollars if you had to ask this question.
@ I ordered the strix I wanted to know if should cancel and the hero like is worth the extra 200 dollar I usually always buy the strike version of ASUS higher end boards never gone for like the hero or godlike class board just wanted to know if it’s worth it
@@DivisionGrounds if you have to ask, it's not.
cancel both those ideas and get a b650e instead.
@@rawhide_kobayashi nah on that last advice I like high end parts I ain’t slapping my ddr5 8000cl 38 or ddr5 6400 cl 30 or 4090 strix on no cheap mobo im sorry im just looking to switch from intel to AMD only reason ignorant to AMD but on intel iv been ocing and tuning ram for years
@@DivisionGrounds if you want 8000mhz memory to work, you shouldn't even be looking at 4 dimm motherboards to begin with... but even on 2 dimm boards, you aren't guaranteed to get that speed. it's silicon lottery on the cpu. and the motherboard is irrelevant to running 6400mhz memory. every motherboard can run 6400mhz memory. the limiting factor is the cpu i/o die. that's 100% cpu-bound silicon lottery.
Any advice on driving temps down? Running curve optimiser at -25 but temps are still hitting low to mid 80s under load, and its winter…
80 is still safe. But The cooler you keep it the more undervolt you can get. What cooler do you have?
@ noctua dh 15 ( the huge one)
I vouch for 10x scalar leading to degradation. My 5900x with a very overkill mobo + solid cooling (x570 dark hero with 360aio) has suffered in single core peak frequencies, which used to be able to boost up do 5.0ghz for one or two seconds but 1 year later only goes up to 4.7ghz with the same settings
Dont think scalar had anything to do with it, I have a 5900x that has lost the ability to run stable with SMT enabled after running at "stock". With SMT disabled it can boost to 5.15ghz perfectly stable though, and run all core at 4.7ghz
@NVMDSTEvil thanks for the heads up. It'll try disabling SMT and see what happens
@@Venvanse30mg Let me know how it goes 👍
Degradation should have shown up as micro lagg or crashes. The cpu not boosting to a certain frequency is controlled by a different mechanism and its not smart enough to detect degradation and downclock. You have to manualy tune down speed or up the voltage yourself to work around degradation. A another side theres several factos that can stop your cpu from boosting like bios revision, dust buildup, particulates in the water block, dried up heat paste and windows settings. Assuming its degradation should be the last thing on the list.
Hello, I watched your videos to play around with PBO settings. It seems like no matter what I do, except for playing around with load line calibration, Vcore stays at around 1.3V for my results in hwinfo while running a cinebench multicore workload.
VID's are reporting around 1.215V consistently. I see that in your case it's the opposite, Vcore is lower than VIDs. I set my scalar at 1x as well. What am I missing?
I set curve optimizer to negative 25, scalar is 1x, frequency is +200 (5400). LLC is currently at Auto (i think it automatically sets it to 5), anything between 1 and 5 results in lower voltages overall, but difference between VID and Vcore is still there, and Vcore is consistently higher.
Mobo is ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI
Vcore higher than vid is wierd did you accidentally manually set any voltages?
@@JohnnyRage303 Nope. I put the PBO to enhancement and set it to 80C target. Still seeing vcore higher than VID, but at least its throtting at 80C now.
Also disclaimer, I don't even know where to manually set voltages
It's probably enchantment. Asus loves to put voltage
@ sorry for the late reply VID is what the CPU is requesting and Vcore is what is currently receiving. I usually see the request slightly higher than the receive. that's why you see my VID higher then VCORE. if yours is running flat 1.3 then there is some setting in your bios keeping it there. if its fluctuating but just higher, I'm not sure off the top of my head. just to experiment I would save your profile and reset factory settings and monitor it to see if the same thing occurs.
Am I trolling if I just put Asus board on expo II and that’s it ? I’m confused about the 1:1 ram. In cpu z mine says 1:30… is that horrible?
My SP is 116, can I do all this setting like u did?
116 is on the high end so probably? You can never guarantee but just take it one step at a time And try it out.
@ Thanks for the Reply appreciate ur time, The only thing is I have everything on a MiniITX, and probably going to have temps problems.
Refresh interval should be very safe to set to 50000 up from 35000
Good vid thx . I lost the silicon lottery . My 9800x3D (SP 112 , cooling 160) just can't do 6400 RAM without errors ,my 7800x3d had no problem with the same RAM kit+same mobo before @6400 .
For now im using 6200 cl26 but hoping future bios updates will allow me to run 6400 again ,just like i did on my 7800x3d.
One tip : i saw your CPU VDDIO /MC voltage is 1,41+V . My asus mobo also set it at 1,45 on auto, but it works just fine with manual 1,25-1,28 range , there is no point to run it that high.
cl28 is better than 6400
6200 cl26 is way better than what hes running
Its not only mobo or cpu dependant, also bios/agesa firmware. I had a cases where on one bios version memory can do higher speeds and stability than on another. Re-try couple months later when updates will come.
RIP 1 FPS
cl 26 6200 is faster than what he is running
in 3D cpu enable PBO or overclock not worth it,risk is high , but on normal cpu like 9950x enable PBO is good , they need it to reach turbo frequency(risk is low)
May I ask how you're getting such low temp numbers on idle? Like 30 in the BIOS and 36c for both Tctl/Tdie and CCD1(Tdie)? I have a 420 AIO but on the desktop i'm idling at 46c Tctl/Tdie and 35c CCD1(Tdie). Is the Curve Shaper doing this :o ? Or perhaps you are using a water loop for your 420?
Whats your roomtemp? My 9800X3D is at about 30-32°C (Tdie
Uneven thermal paste? Did you adjust the cooler offset for the new location of the hotspot?
@@gucky4717 Hmm I do live in a hotter area but my room is usually cold. Somewhere around 27c atm because I don't like it colder. So your Tctl/Tdie is 30-32c with your CCD1(Tdie) at
@@_GntlStone_ That's possible so i'll repaste tonight just to be sure. Thing is the 420 I got is a Liquid Freezer iii. I remember the LF ii having an offset position for the AMD hotspot, but the LF iii doesn't have that so I guess it's already taken into account. But the LF iii doesn't fully cover the CPU (by design). So like 5% of the top of the CPU isn't covered by the heatsink. That made a good amount of the paste I applied spill out..
@@sallya.259 Tdie is the highest temp within all sensors.
I might also might have a bad paste application. :D
I used the TF7 that came with my phantom spirit, but it was VERY dry, not even sticking to the IHS. I checked after mounting it once, and it spread VERY thin across the whole IHS, so I thing it was ok and mounted it again without changing the paste. :D
Waiting for a new paste atm.
I also played around with the settings a bit, but what I see is that I need to burn in the CPU a bit, before the temps and such become constant.
How fast your system boot windows? Do you have the issue with the slow boot wiht 9800X3D?
Less than 15 seconds. All issues relating to boot times with new hardware is up to windows to fix.
Enable memory context restore or change nitro to 1x
@ Non highly recommended. System needs to memory train every boot. It will cause stability issues if not.
Mine take 23s to boot. It analyzed the ram once or twice for close to a minute when I set the timings. I bought a 64gb kit with expo for 6400 and 6000. It was also on the qvl list for my x870e-e Asus strix board.
How is the CPU outside of gaming while using Windows? Does it hitch and lag like the 7800X3D does ?
I keep hearing about that but I do not see any of that on my 7800X3D. Even compared to my 13900kf. They both launch applications about as fast (sometimes the Intel loads an app faster sometimes the AMD loads apps faster).
I haven't seen any windows lag about the biggest difference I've seen is launching Steam. It launches about 30 milliseconds faster on my 13900kf build.
It feels noticeably snappier to me.
@@XxViciousxX Thank you for the reply. Most say the experience is great as you did. But there are other who also experience the hitching and lag while using windows
@ Nice 👍, I love that Snap !!! I swapped back to the 7700X and it also feels snappy. I put the 7800X3D in my sons PC probably won’t purchase X3D again
@ 9800X3D fixes that issue. Feels like a 9700X in there.
what results did you get in Aida?
If tou think you have it sorted out, play 1 hour of rust and see if you can escape the fps drops, mine is dropping fps so bad with 420mm aio
Is your memory able to push 2:1 mode?
16.571
2:30 source? Haven't heard any claims of IF improvement, especially not the IMC.
^^
Hey mate. I’m not getting same time spy scores. Maybe my video card is not clocked as high. What are your 4090 gpu and men clock settings ?
4090 is liquid suprim. It's not the silicon winner but i might make a video on settings my mem clock is pretty high. I've considered hof bios but haven't flashed it yet.
Hello you said beginning of the video you set: uclk 2/1 ratio. But in the video time at 23.03 you showing that uclk 1/1 ratio. I mean it is sync like 6000 mhz kit. You running Uclk at 3200 mhz. I have 6400 mhz kit running at expo 1 desynced. My uclk at 1600. Can you explain to me please. Am i wrong ? If you want i can mail my snapshots.
Edit i missnderstood. I finished the video. But i cant run my memory kit uclk=mem clock. On the windows loading screen its freeze. I have xpg 6400 cl32 2x32gb kit with 9800x3d.
And also i cant go further at negative 20 on the curve shaper. When i did negative 30 its freeze while cinebench r23.
I think i completly lost silicon lattery :(
Find a 6000mhz cl30 kit online and copy the timings. 6400 is way too fast without advanced tuning
@@ToMMi808 i could do that but which freqency ? i mean 6400 mhz or 6000 ?
6400mt/s memory is 3200mhz because ddr is double data rate. So you're seeing 1600mhz because it's running memclock/2. So it's 6400mt/s ram that's 3200mhz and your running /2 to get 1600. You need to set memclk = uclk
@@JohnnyRage303 I tried uclk=memclock but it wouldnt post. Essentailly i ended up with expo 1 and Asus inclueded hynix memory timings. Is it really important uclk=memclock ? Am i missing so much performance? Btw my kit adata 6400 cl32 32x2 kit.
Thank you for your answer ♥
@@eyluloktay91041:1 modda 6000 ve buildzoid timinglerini dene. 7400’den önce 2:1 runlamak baya kötü performans veriyor
I have no idea why people still scared of 10X PBO Scalar. Der8auer tested this setting and came to the conclusion that you need to utilize your CPU flat out 100% for like 3 years 10hours a day to actually start noticing a degradation.
I have my 5600x on scalar 10x already 3 years (gaming + fun blender development) and i see 0 changes in terms of stability,performance,voltage etc...
Time Spy CPU score is as fast as my 10900kf.
What ram did you pair with it?
It's my old g.skill z trident ddr5 6000 cl30, 32gb 2x16. Then I used buildzoids 6000 timings and oc it to 6400 at 1.41v
In Timespy Extreme my CPU reached 1.29-1.32V. Will this degrade my CPU over time?
I'm trying to find the reference but I thought I read from amd 1.4v is the max with the new cache. But I'm just keeping it lower to be safe until they've been out longer.
@ @JohnnyRage303 upon compiling shaders in the new dragon age game the cpu gets up to 94 degrees hot, the max advertised temp is 95. Should i draw back a bit? I also have scaler only on 1x.
while gaming it’s at max 75.
Shouldn't fclk be 2133 with ram of 6400? You might see an improvement. Maybe each is different, as buildzoid saw 2033 was his best performance, but my system hates anything but 2000, it runs fine, but it slows everything down. so i have to run 2000 or i get worst performance everywhere. It's as if i have timings waiting for eachother. so 🤷♂🤷♂
Also the difference I saw on my 7950x3d from buildzoids to expo timings, was basically nothing. cyberpunk was with in 0.2 fps horizon zero dawn was within 2fps at 190 and forza 5 showed no difference, but cpu showed 615fps at 2000, 590/585 at stock/2033 ... all pretty much with in margin of error, and could be based on background tasks. not worth the risk of instability for MAYBE 1%
BUT i'm not running a 9800x3d
With my 7800X3D, I've found FCLK as high as possible is better, as long as its stable. Just run performance benchmarks to see if its better. My system wont run 3000 UCLK so I keep UCLK at 2800 and boosted FCLK to 2133 and the performance definitely increased.
4:21 he mentions why he's running 2200. Memory OC on X3D CPUs does practically nothing for gaming because they're less reliant on memory due to the extra cache. I still like doing it on my 7950X3D system, but its really not impactful.
Thanks for the deep dive! Just out of curiosity, what are your ambient temps? I only ask because your 9800x3d seems to run about 5C cooler than mine at idle and under the same load and I am contemplating a remount/repaste
I'm not sure I can check them when I'm home but I have 4x140mm case fans and the gpu is aio. Msi liquid suprim so overall I bet it's low.
@@JohnnyRage303 Thanks, yea I was referring to the temperature of the room your PC is in, just in case that wasn't clear. No worries if you forget, I was just curious.
@@JohnnyRage303 Room tip bruh, not whatever you fans or aio is 💀
Make your FCLK 2133 for 6400mts RAM!!!
pls test fclk 2000 uclk 2000 mclk 4000 (DDR5 8000)
I have a kit it's on the todo list
@@JohnnyRage303 if u can go higher fclk like 2100 u could try fclk = uclk mclk = 2* uclk, so fclk 2100 uclk 2100 mclk 4200 (DD5 8400), its high and probebly dont work but on Boards like Asus x870i Strix they say that they support up to 8400 Mhz Ram with a Ryzen 9000 CPU xD
Do the same with a 14900k and watch the hate flow in.
Last intel I've had was 12900. I was like this is OK but damn she hot.
bah where's the 5090. I run 4k. few extra frames not worth the stress on the hardware. leave this to you synthetic benchmark champs
You okay man?
Apple M4 max ? 50 watt only and destroy 9950x !!
Where s the game ?
1,000,000x3d still cant run windows without lag/jutter
and you are ignorant as always
how to: instability
yeah its only a matter of time he and everyone else doing this gets blue screens/cpu damge
@min 13:30 i have TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS and i use auto for scalar. but in hw info it nowhere says what it is on actually...
I think it's in the main cpu info tab not the sensor stat page.