HUGE thanks and shoutout to Carter for helping me with this video and giving his own thoughts, tips and tricks on formation flying! Check out his twitch channel here: www.twitch.tv/carterlulay And Please consider supporting my channel on Patreon! Its your support that helps make this channel possible, I couldn't do it without you guys! www.patreon.com/Spudknocker
Lead should avoid flying full 100% power (military power for the jets with afterburner, or 100% for planes without afterburner) for a prolonged period of time, if he doesn't want to "force" his wingmen to go into afterburner once in a while. Lead should rather "give him a few percent" by pulling back to 96-98 % from the firewall, so that wingman can use his 100% to close up if he "gets sucked" (being "behind" in a formation as opposed to "acute", being forward of the optimal position) due to any manouver or mistake. It's more important on planes without afterburner, as with no afterburner, wingman has really no way to ever catch up in straight and level flight (only in turns by cutting corners), once he gets behind. Just my 2 cent...
Spot on response. As part of a virtual display team, our lead normally flies at an even lower power setting, since flying at anything above 90% in the Hornet means the wingmen will from time to time pop into afterburner. We obviously fly clean aircraft with only 50% fuel, but there is rarely need for lead to be above 80% - 85% RPM, with only loops requiring a push to 90%.
That’s actually not true. I fly with Growler pilots and F15E wso’s almost everyday. They told me they just kick it into mil power and just use there stick to modulate there airspeed, and it’s not the leads fault if the wso is out of formation and can’t keep up. Spud here was flying what’s called Line abreast or mostly “Fighting wing”. He did a good job. As well as I think I did a good job myself. Thanks for the response guys. Edit- We also don’t do acrobatics. We just fly parade form 25% of the time. On a combat sortie it’s normally 350 IAS and kicked out line abreast 1.0nm or Spread formation.
@@skatterpro - its efficient can control closure and react an overshoot also easier to see closure Approaching from the rear is what's called a power rejoin - and that is very difficult to judge closure until too late resulting in overshoots - also not efficient
Formation is the building blocks for bfm What are the three problems you're trying to solve in bfm? Angles range and closure what are the solutions? Speed G and pursuit curves you use the same concepts in formation flying
Oh yes.... The F-14 is really difficult to fly formation with. I almost only fly with people with 18's while I'm the only one with the 14, and every formation flight makes my look like a trash noob!😂 I've become decent in flying it overall, but formation is hard mainly because of the visibility, have to constantly lean around the cockpit to keep my eyes on my wingman. Specialy if you fly with people that don't lead really good, like accelerating, or climbing without any callouts and just casualy smalltalking, meanwhile I have to trimm the living shit out of the plane and keep my eyes glued to my canopy.😂
Will you be doing videos on the F-16 “fighting falcon” (yes I’m that guy) when it comes out? Just curious, because I’m pretty hyped to fly it myself lol. Great content!
@@Spudknocker My M2K is hating the day, knowing its probably seen its last flight for a VERY long time. Mirage is super fun to throw around, but with a Viper, (and no Mica missiles) why bother? Kinda sad.
@@Tamburello_1994 Yes, but if a -5F come one day, it is an AA fighter only. Can be one of the best AA planes in DCS, but no strike capabilities. At least for thr -5F... Export -5 Mk2 are multipurpose.
Can't wait to try stupidly close formation flying (Cap, I see you!) in the F-16c with friends. DCS is just so beautiful! (20% less gas as wingman does not equate to 20% more gas as lead though, Spud. That's 25% extra as lead.)
I currently have a RTX 2080 Ti, I7-7700K and 32GB of RAM, I have found that super sampling anti-aliasing with just a touch of MSAA really makes DCS looks great, the MSAA really cleans up the Mirrors
I'm using Logitech flight rudder's x 56 throttle and flight stick. Nice and smooth operation.
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Very cool vid, this is really helpful, i'm using a gamepad for the moment and close formation flying is tricky because of the deadzone and sensitivity management on the controller, but non the less applying all of what you guys said helps a lot, thanks to both of you!... Oh and yes, landing F-16 is something else, you can't slam it into the runway like an F-18.
defintly one of the best DCS's vid. what a such great F... moment ! i didn't notice the hour almost passed away. Thanks for this tuto, I was missing this . big up for Carter, just make is audio louder next time if you can ;-) best regards Dude !
39:23 Alternatively, when starting DCS, place the mouse on the other side, so you have the flight stick in the right hand and your left hand can switch between throttle and mouse
@Spudknocker, love your videos, but one thing though - when you're talking at the start of the video, a little less flipping the view left and right would mean that I don't have to take a vertigo-induced break before the main content starts! :D
@@Spudknocker there's too much to know to stay up to date with every module, that's why I commend people like yourself that will make content like this and risk making a mistake, too many people expect everyone to be an expert in every module, that just can't be done. Keep up the good work, love your content.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands#Environmental_concerns Those "beautiful islands where people skydive" are actually a major environmental disaster for the entire region and their not sustainable. In other words, if you want to skydive there, you'll have to be quick before they disappear :P China is also trying to build military bases on artificial islands and those are also quickly becoming unstable. If you want proper waterworks, call the Dutch. We're the only ones who seem to get it right :PP
HUGE thanks and shoutout to Carter for helping me with this video and giving his own thoughts, tips and tricks on formation flying! Check out his twitch channel here: www.twitch.tv/carterlulay
And Please consider supporting my channel on Patreon! Its your support that helps make this channel possible, I couldn't do it without you guys! www.patreon.com/Spudknocker
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Carter: Absolutely!
Lead should avoid flying full 100% power (military power for the jets with afterburner, or 100% for planes without afterburner) for a prolonged period of time, if he doesn't want to "force" his wingmen to go into afterburner once in a while. Lead should rather "give him a few percent" by pulling back to 96-98 % from the firewall, so that wingman can use his 100% to close up if he "gets sucked" (being "behind" in a formation as opposed to "acute", being forward of the optimal position) due to any manouver or mistake. It's more important on planes without afterburner, as with no afterburner, wingman has really no way to ever catch up in straight and level flight (only in turns by cutting corners), once he gets behind. Just my 2 cent...
Spot on response. As part of a virtual display team, our lead normally flies at an even lower power setting, since flying at anything above 90% in the Hornet means the wingmen will from time to time pop into afterburner. We obviously fly clean aircraft with only 50% fuel, but there is rarely need for lead to be above 80% - 85% RPM, with only loops requiring a push to 90%.
That’s actually not true. I fly with Growler pilots and F15E wso’s almost everyday. They told me they just kick it into mil power and just use there stick to modulate there airspeed, and it’s not the leads fault if the wso is out of formation and can’t keep up. Spud here was flying what’s called Line abreast or mostly “Fighting wing”. He did a good job. As well as I think I did a good job myself. Thanks for the response guys.
Edit- We also don’t do acrobatics. We just fly parade form 25% of the time. On a combat sortie it’s normally 350 IAS and kicked out line abreast 1.0nm or Spread formation.
Problem with most people trying to flight lead is they have a hard time bringing the throttle back, or make erratic stick inputs.
Most definitely!
This is also a very good way to learn A/A refuel, it's also the most fun and less frustrating.
100%
I love how you guys talk back and forth, explaining stuff about flying and such... Really cool!
Turning rejoins - you should be coming in on the 45
you're doing more of a power rejoin - you're not taking advantage of the geometry
Could you explain this more in depth? Just joining on a 45 degree offset to have more time and space to move in case of an overshoot?
@@skatterpro - its efficient
can control closure and react an overshoot
also easier to see closure
Approaching from the rear is what's called a power rejoin - and that is very difficult to judge closure until too late resulting in overshoots - also not efficient
Ever since I installed my TrackIR and watch these videos, I keep turning my head expecting to see to the left lol. Love your videos SpudKnocker.
Formation is the building blocks for bfm
What are the three problems you're trying to solve in bfm?
Angles range and closure
what are the solutions?
Speed G and pursuit curves
you use the same concepts in formation flying
UltraWide Videos! THANK YOU!
No Prob!
Oh yes.... The F-14 is really difficult to fly formation with. I almost only fly with people with 18's while I'm the only one with the 14, and every formation flight makes my look like a trash noob!😂 I've become decent in flying it overall, but formation is hard mainly because of the visibility, have to constantly lean around the cockpit to keep my eyes on my wingman. Specialy if you fly with people that don't lead really good, like accelerating, or climbing without any callouts and just casualy smalltalking, meanwhile I have to trimm the living shit out of the plane and keep my eyes glued to my canopy.😂
If you flip autupilot on even for just a split second in the F-14 she will auto trim out your pitch axis! This really really helps!
Thank u for this video bc right after watching i flew right with an f-18 in tight formation
Will you be doing videos on the F-16 “fighting falcon” (yes I’m that guy) when it comes out? Just curious, because I’m pretty hyped to fly it myself lol. Great content!
Tikiman 7 of course! I can’t wait to try it out!
@@Spudknocker
My M2K is hating the day, knowing its probably seen its last flight for a VERY long time.
Mirage is super fun to throw around, but with a Viper, (and no Mica missiles) why bother?
Kinda sad.
Tamburello_1994 ya the mirage 2000 is a very pretty jet but the version we have is just very basic
@@Spudknocker
Check. If it was the upgraded variant I would have no need for Viper other than to say " I got it "
@@Tamburello_1994 Yes, but if a -5F come one day, it is an AA fighter only. Can be one of the best AA planes in DCS, but no strike capabilities. At least for thr -5F... Export -5 Mk2 are multipurpose.
Beautiful flight!
Can't wait to try stupidly close formation flying (Cap, I see you!) in the F-16c with friends. DCS is just so beautiful!
(20% less gas as wingman does not equate to 20% more gas as lead though, Spud. That's 25% extra as lead.)
Your DCS looks so much better than my GTX 970 DCS. How do you get everything in your cockpit so clear?
I currently have a RTX 2080 Ti, I7-7700K and 32GB of RAM, I have found that super sampling anti-aliasing with just a touch of MSAA really makes DCS looks great, the MSAA really cleans up the Mirrors
My gaming PC is brand new 2019 i8700k. Graphics are unbelievable realistic.
I'm using Logitech flight rudder's x 56 throttle and flight stick. Nice and smooth operation.
Very cool vid, this is really helpful, i'm using a gamepad for the moment and close formation flying is tricky because of the deadzone and sensitivity management on the controller, but non the less applying all of what you guys said helps a lot, thanks to both of you!... Oh and yes, landing F-16 is something else, you can't slam it into the runway like an F-18.
defintly one of the best DCS's vid. what a such great F... moment ! i didn't notice the hour almost passed away. Thanks for this tuto, I was missing this . big up for Carter, just make is audio louder next time if you can ;-) best regards Dude !
Thanks for the awesome compliment! Share it far and wide!
39:23 Alternatively, when starting DCS, place the mouse on the other side, so you have the flight stick in the right hand and your left hand can switch between throttle and mouse
@Spudknocker, love your videos, but one thing though - when you're talking at the start of the video, a little less flipping the view left and right would mean that I don't have to take a vertigo-induced break before the main content starts! :D
As always.
Haha, your AAR was so amazing but your landing lol Always try to keep everything perfect man! Support you from Japan
What a joyride! Very relaxing to watch! 😎
Its DCS ASMR! I am glad you enjoyed it man!
greats tips and beautiful video
Thanks man!
deedle deedles were fuel level warnings
launchedsquid huh good to know I guess it was the return to WP 0 fuel warning, thanks! That totally flew over my head
@@Spudknocker to cancel them set the FPAS home to waypoint 59, in a few seconds the arrows will disappear and so will the warnings.
launchedsquid thanks man! I had been flying the Tomcat so much I forgot all this stuff
@@Spudknocker there's too much to know to stay up to date with every module, that's why I commend people like yourself that will make content like this and risk making a mistake, too many people expect everyone to be an expert in every module, that just can't be done. Keep up the good work, love your content.
Thanx Dudes! :)
What do you use the FCS page for an your flying? Thanks
Nice flying formation. I'm still getting used to air to air refueling. It takes time to master.
Still waiting on my PC since it got delayed again, but in DCS is flying over Iran modeled to trigger an intercept or get shot at?
How to fly formation. Please help
Real pilots usually always fly in the parade formation? I mean when they are not dogfighting
Does the f15 fly as easy as the fa18?
stack - line - spacing
Kuwait F18😍😍😍❤️🇰🇼
Its abit diffucult to hear the wingman
Ya I know sorry
49:50 FPAS
I just bought the track 5 ir. I set it up for my liking but I really didn't like it.
Comes is a deal. Short sweet and to the point. Don't explain everything.
Verbal diarrhea.
Only things that are essential or relevant.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands#Environmental_concerns Those "beautiful islands where people skydive" are actually a major environmental disaster for the entire region and their not sustainable. In other words, if you want to skydive there, you'll have to be quick before they disappear :P China is also trying to build military bases on artificial islands and those are also quickly becoming unstable.
If you want proper waterworks, call the Dutch. We're the only ones who seem to get it right :PP