Mastering Combat in Zenless Zone Zero: A Comprehensive Guide
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- In this video, Iyo presents a comprehensive guide Unveiling Hidden Combat Techniques in Zenless Zone Zero. There are Secret Combat Mechanics They DON'T Tell You in Zenless Zone Zero that can completely change the way you play the game. (THIS IS A REUPLOAD BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON IT'S STILL 100% RELEVANT POST RELEASE)
Here's what you need to know to get the better idea of what Zenless Zone Zero's combat has to offer. Both for F2Ps who are looking to reroll & low-spenders who just want to know what characters give them their favorite results.
Some notable mentions in this video include Lycaon, Rina, Grace, Koleda, Nekomata, Soldier 11, Ellen, and their overall value. This is Iyo's Beginner Guide to EVERY Standard 5-Star / S-Rank Character in Zenless Zone Zero.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Zenless Zone Zero Has no Depth
20:00 Final Recap of this Issue - Ігри
YO CHAT! This is a REUPLOAD from OVER 7 MONTHS AGO because for SOME REASON it's still 100% RELEVANT POST release. By no means am I trying to make Z3 seem like it has some crazy wicked combat or something, I'm merely pointing out that the whole "bro just mash. It's so mashy. Only mash so bad!" is one of the dumbest frickin' things anyone can say about these games. EVER! You don't HAVE to do these things, but don't act like they DON'T exist. Just like I don't HAVE to EV/IV train in Pkmn, but it DOES exist and makes my gameplay experience SIGNIFICANTLY better/more enjoyable.
Moral of this story. HAVE FUN the way YOU want to. Stop trying to rain on other people's parade.
So, no free signature amplification?
@@yubarevU can get them in the shop like HSR
it doesn't really matter what the game does tho, what matters that most is how the customers feel about your game. And if people feel that the game is button smashy, it's the game's fault for not integrating these mechanics into the story.
Maybe if the game had focused more on combat instead of TVs people would have had more time to learn about the mechanics.
People complain when mechanics are explained too quickly, people complain when mechanics are explained at a normal pace, you can't please everyone. Also, no, someone thinking something is button mashing doesn't actually mean it's button mashing. That's stupid logic. Maybe instead of rushing the game to look for endgame and then whining because you very clearly did not pay sufficient attention to game mechanics, you can slow down and enjoy the full experience. Also, story has always been mainly about story. Not combat. And the TV system is an inherent part of the story. It's common sense.
Pretty bad example because EV and IV training are needed for competitive play within the Pokémon games. Online battles do exist, whereas in ZZZ, you mash your way through everything.
Even if we ignore that, let's be realistic. There is a reason why Cynthia memes exist for Pokémon Platinum. You stock up on Max Revives and Potions whenever battling her. You can't just mash Dragon Claw and beat the Elite Four. You still need type knowledge and type coverage, which are as important as EVs and IVs, adding depth.
Even if this weren't the case, there are still other places you can use this knowledge of EVs and IVs, like Smogon/Pokémon Showdown.
There's also the fact that Pokémon is literally a PEGI 7 game, inherently meant for children. People who just want to "...catch 'em all" and don't care about combat, unlike ZZZ, which is a combat-focused game. Pokémon Go's massive success is my evidence of that.
The selling point of Pokémon is mainly catching your favorite Pokémon. Yes, battling is a huge part of it, but it's not the biggest.
Regardless, in ZZZ, if there is no place that I HAVE to express my skill, why would I go through the effort of doing so, knowing that I could have done it a simpler and easier way? You need places where people have to min-max and get sweaty.
me after seeing other youtubers: oh the game is dumb
me after seeing your video: *oh im dumb*
Nah, you just didn't know yet. haha Now you know and knowing is half the battle.
@@IyoXSg.i joe reference?
@@knightmare1874 yes, but you're supposed to say, " G! I! JOOOOOOEEEEeee!!"
not a hidden input, but my favorite hidden combo so far is Anby's combo extension.
You can use both the skill AND her hold attack in a single combo. By using skill on your 4th normal attack and then tapping normal attack, you can immediately go into the hold attack. This effectively extends the combo by 2 moves (1NA and 1 skill), and you can trigger her self buffs from her "eidolons" easier by doing so. On top of that, as a daze character, having 2 additional attacks in her combo MASSIVELY boosts her capability as a Daze unit since it's more dase buildup in a single combo.
Me and a few friends have been testing this stuff out lately! As fighting game players we've had tons of fun in training testing out various strings, measuring daze accumulation and speed and other stuff. ZZZ is super fun in this aspect, we're even putting together a doc to compile all the tech we find on the characters we play haha. Have you seen the one where they use both dodge counter and evasive assist together on gold flash?
@@rixdespo9144 I did! I've been practicing it myself, alongside practcing double anomaly with Soldier 11 and Piper. It's cool that most of these techs have been really viable in the endgame.
it says this in her info lol
Only the real ones know that this is an old video that was posted on the main channel
I've just discovered this channel, what's the main channel?
@@straight0red its just called iyo if you cant find type iyo hsr
You a real one forreal cause that was almost a year ago! haha
@@IyoXS yessir
YEPPPPPPP! I REALISED WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABT THE NICOLE STUFF
So the combat is "i unga, therefore i bunga" instead of just button mashing
Pretty much lol
Lmao
… but when you put it like that, then every game is button mashing? Literally just describing basic inputa
@@branastasia8013 sure HSR is button smashing, that's why it has auto. Genshin is button smashing, but it's marketed towards casual people. ZZZ is button smashing, yet It's being marketed as some hardcore combat focus game, it's not.
@@branastasia8013 Not every. Not even every gacha game.
Hi3rd reuqires difficult rotations with occasional dodges/parries, same for pgr. Wuwa requires a lot of reaction gameplay, aka dodging and parrying all the time while trying to somewhat stick to the rotation to the best of your abilities, 2-3 missed hits = dead against hologram bosses/last difficulty roguelike mode/some abyss bosses.
And outside of gachas we have games like dmc, every Fromsoft game, and most of action open/semi openworld games don't allow for mindless button mashing, even latest assassin's creed games made for complete casuals.
Yet the beginning of zzz is just "spam normal attack for 20s because your skill doesn't wanna recharge, wait till a mindless enemy finally tries to hit you, dodge, rince and repeat". That's understandably not fun. I'm giving the game a fair chance so i'm sticking till endgame but I can't blame people who uninstalled in the first 5 hours.
i didn't realize how complex and deep each character move sets are and how they flow in the combat smoothly.
It doesn't help that the "move list" is so extremely basic, and even the tutorial levels only hint at a few of a character's options. I'm no genius here, but even I was able to figure out a few tricks to using a character that are not even hinted at in their official documentation.
@@timogul and? what's your point? you bragging that you're good at video games?
@@chito2701 Oh, no, I'm pretty terrible. My point is that the game does a poor job of explaining how to best use these characters. It makes some attempt, but stops well short of where it needs to be.
One thing I really like about ZZZs gameplay is the high player expression. Most action gacha games these days have gameplay where you basically just do the same rotation over and over or else you are no longer being optimal. With ZZZ you have a basic strategy with how you want to progress through your characters, but a lot of the actions you takes are reactionary to what the enemies are doing which creates more variance in battles.
this is exactly why i love it too like even in wuwa i'm stuck doing the same verina > mortefi > encore rotation over and over and over but the fighting in zzz feels so much more dynamic or whatever u would call it
@@starboyrob wuwa you can air combo and so much more tho, not the games fault you are dented, zzz is less in depth compared to wuwa but more in depth then genshin
Combat's so expressive I can close my eyes and mash everything to win... Let's be real, this is like the least expressive "fighting game" ever. This doesn't even come close to Wuwa's combat and that's a fact. In fact, I LOVED Honkai Impact 3rd, and ZZZ can't even beat that
@@crispylinks7991 Is this a bot comment?
@@starboyrobuhhh, the dude in the vid literally said that you can spice ZZZ gameplay yourself instead of doing optimal rotations and here you are doing that to WW instead of spicing the gameplay yourself with different echoes, grapple, etc...
Dude, you can literally do more things in WW than ZZZ combat. I can accept you saying you prefer ZZZ combat over WW, instead of saying contradicting to what the dude in the vid said on how to enjoy a game.
I like how even the order you set up the teams in the selection side can change how the team plays
i may be mistaking but i think it has to do more with their roles, the furry could not be tagged into from the oni because he is a stunner, and the oni is a supports, supports tag in the dps in this case the catgirl that is way he had to remove the catgirl from the party for the example, i got pretty lucky on the pulls and ended up having the maids / butler so (shark/dog/ghost) the ghost is a support and her skills or combos tag into the fight the dps (the shark).
can you elaborate on this?
@DerelictSong with the support role characters, mostly I play Rina neko and Piper. So, depending on which order I set up my team, I can link either Piper or neko with the support on skill use.
@LookItsMtE support characters on a team when they use a charged up skill can link a character switch with one of your other characters. I'm not so sure about the order of the team that determines it. But it changes up the way I play depending on if I have anby or nekomata linked to my support character Rina.
@@FuzohDSIt links to the person in 1st if u have the support in 3rd
You're the first CC to actually goes in-depth about the game mechanic, combo and stuffs (very few people know how high skill ceiling this game can be). Definitely the first ZZZ creator I'm subscribing to
Same
he also missed the point. The game skill ceiling is pointless when content only requires the floor.
@@MalixFarwinyou didn't even unlock most of the content the game has ? Genshin was ( and still is ) the same and it took a while for star rail to introduce harder content
@@MavisE7it did not take a while for hsr to introduce harder content 😭 SU in the beginning was tough as balls and 0 cycles where things only a total of like 20 people could do
@@ExpressoPie because the game was new and you can't really no life a gacha game to Speedrun through it ,our accounts were bad it wasn't the game being difficult
0 cycling isn't even a requirement for anything so what kind of metric is that ?
People so clueless I bet most are unaware that there's a moveset tab for each character, I mean 3rd day and people still think they can't choose which character will do the parry. When did we stopped trying inputs by ourselves?
Wait how to choose the character to do the parry?
@@hardwinwelly2486 In Xbox controller is either RB or LB depending who you want to switch to. In PC is space key or C
@@hardwinwelly2486think they mean when you hit space it’s the next unit. When you hit C it’s the unit before. So let’s say the team set up is Ellen, lycaon, Soukaku
If Ellen is on field and you are about to parry and hit space it’ll it lycaon next. If you hit C it’ll be soukaku.
This, I'm learning this here because it never says we get a choice, just says "use quick/spacebar". They could totally simply add the line "Use Spacebar or C to parry". Funny enough, when doing the survey "not being able to choose who parries" was one of the complaints I put in there.
The fact that the option IS there, but I can't be sitting in every situation and trying every button to see what q,e,r,t,y,u, etc. during combat does. Weakness in the tutorial.
bruh are we expected to try every key on the keyboard, that's insane, why would any1 ever think there would be another option for char switching T-T
thankfully I've been informed of this here, but shouldn't this have been taught in the tutorial?
A fellow fighting game player diving into the mechanics is just what I needed for this game. Thank you
Also when you talk about stuff like it would be helpful to have a controller layout, since we don't have fighting game input history
It's crazy to me how people are dismissing the combat in this game without even trying to look further. Recent twitter clips of people finding juggle tech, real quickswap combos like the one you demonstrated with Anby's skill in this vid, and even just "basic" combos like how A3>Skill on Anby can lead to an extra electro-charged attack give ZZZ so much more depth than I expected.
Thanks for this vid again and keep up the great content, man.
They play the tutorial and run to Twitter to say the combat is mid
@@MidgarMerc which would be Hoyos fault at that point, the way the game introduces itself is so fucking bad.
First couple of hours playing ZZZ
Me: This game is getting kinda repetitive.
Also me 15 hours later: okay I was just playing the game wrong.
Nah, hoyo did a bad job of explaining and signposting how the characters play, and thats with a god awful hours long prologue.
@@BobOfBarons Legit. The tutorial prompts teach you how to dodge and get parry swaps ins and super basic inputs known like ult and skill and that's it. When a CC mentioned that playing Soldier 11 was like playing a rhythm game I had no idea what he was smoking at the time.
Sure you can technically just go in and look at character kits to see what they do, but a lot of the info and systems in this game are cumbersome and unintuitive to find (me still struggling to find where my quests are a week into the game's launch).
Piper's hold EX Special: Engine Spin, if you switch out midway, maybe to parry or something, it will count as a button release, thus Piper will still finish into her EX Special: Really Heavy while you are already on your next agent. If this causes a stun, use a heavy attack like a charge attack or ex special attack on your next character to trigger a chain attack and you'll be back to Piper. This way, you can refresh Piper's Power Charge stacks and keep the 18% bonus damage for the team longer.
Before trying this game and only watching videos, I didn't think I would like this game. Now after playing it, I love it.
The Nekomata part was very previsible as I read her skills and looked at her moves beforehand, but when you showed Nicolle's secret special inputs I knew this random video YT suggested had potential.
Subscribed af.
The misconception is that it's just a mashy game which is just inaccurate. The right phrase, imo is that you can just mash or you can master the games fundamentals like any other game out there switching, combos, damage optimals all take skill to calculate and figure out. Any game can be played like this fighterz, Genshin , ext I agree w the video completely and I'm def gona throw my 2 cents on this concept too because I think the games getting early hate because people aren't actually going beyond basic mechanics of tapping buttons which is completely optional
to some extent this is what I tell people saying the combat is too shallow: "the game is casual if you play casual, if you don't bother with the mechanics then it's just key tapping"
@@Sui_turnip It's wild to me how some people expect the game to be insanely difficult, they've always said the game will have a low floor and high ceiling. It's not always a bad thing to ensure everyone can complete the story without try harding a game.
What people are really trying to complain about is that you can mash, and find success at all levels of the game currently. It's similar to the issue FF16 had, in that the combat system had a lot of really nuanced mechanics, that could make the combat a lot more engaging, but the game's difficulty didn't require you to actually learn or use any of those mechanics. You could spam the skills you start with, and have great success the entire game.
It's unfortunate that ZZZ fell into this same trap. To its credit, it does get more "difficult" the deeper in you get, but a lot of the issues you'll run into even there are more likely to be team comp than actual difficulty with what the enemy is doing.
@@Sui_turnip The people who said that went through the story in casual mode, then watched their normie CCs and parroted whatever opinion their CCs have.
Most people that play zzz is using M&K so they can't do these moves and iyo did mention that at the late game the mobs will rushed you like a hoodrats
Hearing FGC terms in this game is actually Soo Fire🔥I can for sure see how this game will improve tremendously with future patches, you would also see the skill ceiling difference between a Good player and a average, just like in fighting games watching pros and how they control there characters is just so satisfying to see how they don’t drop their combos and always get the most dmg out of every hit. ZZZ has a nice future if they go with the “Easy to learn difficult to master route” that most fighting games have.
I love this. Instantly subscribed. I’ve been really enjoying the discovery of combat, and it has absolutely been reminding me of fighting games. I love it.
This was the video I've been looking for, I've watch the original upload and I've been looking for it since the game launched
I never doubted that it had depth but now that your breaking it down it definitely has a lot more to it than i thought. People are still gon a whine and complain and not give it a fair enough chance to see that.
I swear man. I swear these people don't think, they just go with the herd @@rjacks3284
They gave it a fair chance actually lmao just read some of the comments criticizing the difficulty or lack of depth
Stumbled across your video and I think you’re the first CC to explain the complicated mechanics in a way where I understand and don’t feel dumb about it. I’m gonna subscribe and see what else I can learn.
This is pretty cool. I was wondering what they meant by a high skill ceiling for the game, and I thought it was just going to be rotation timing, secret synergies and what have you. But the fact that there are whole hidden skills and animations changes everything.
I highly encourage you to keep looking for hidden tech, and to upload what you find, because this stuff is so very interesting to me.
Thanks for all your videos on this, i had to reroll already for a bad pull this one is going much better!
Epic. I've had multiple moments in early game that my switch resulted in multiple characters staying on field at the same time, finishing their selected specials, and the combos have been amazing. Now I have the knowledge to recreate it....eventually. Love this!!
The game is honestly a lot of fun, I was so confused seeing yt videos hating on it. I didn’t even know about Nicole’s hidden inputs, I play on pc so I’ll have to find out how to manage it. ❤
Yes please. I wanted to refresh my memory because I knew I watched a video before about combat that was in depth, but I didn't remember who's video was. It was this video, well, the original one from 7 months ago.
First video I watched from your channel and I'm already amazed. Can't wait to try Nicole's hidden move set. Subscribed.
Hey even if this is a reupload thanks for posting this! I'm very excited to see what the theorycrafting for this game will look like.
Oh ho??? I feel like you're gonna be my favorite ZZZ cc. Im definitely gonna sub.
Grace was my guaranteed S-Rank and I got my Ellen Pity broken by Rina. So now I’m building a Thunder-Anomaly team. Thanks for the guide, it helps a lot; especially since a lot about combat isn’t properly explained and the UI could use some work outside of combat.
i got them both too but in the standard banner Rina on early 20+ pity. i main thunder team ever since with Anby. Mommy Grace is very satisfying to play
really impressive video. hope you keep playing the game so i can learn more.
Btw everyone this E2 he's gasing up.
It's E1 now
That's the best change outside of just giving it to us for free. Forreal forreal.
just played it during the weekend and it's fun! Didn't find any of these hidden mechanics yet but would like to practice that!
You blew my mind, now find hidden mechanics with grace👀👀👀
the hidden grace feet meta is about to go crazy, into tier SSS territory
Spirit Phone pfp detected. New Neil when? @@brynion2117
Holy shit. I learned so much from this video. Didn't realized there were hidden techs like these. Thank you, Iyo!
The problem isn't lack of complexity. Any game can be made complex based off user buy-in. The bigger problem is the lack of Combo variety. The same exact problem happened with Dragon Ball Kakarot. You can only sit and do the same combo for so long before it becomes grating.
Definitely a good thing to post again. Though I do think the game doesn't tell the player enough in some cases. Not in regard to hidden inputs, but the amount of people I have seen that were unaware you could use your skill while it is not enhanced is mind boggling, and I can totally understand why people would be bored if they didn't know they had an entire separate button they could use.
Re-rolled once, got neko, wanted to learn the tech, and found exactly the right video. Lets go
This was incredibly insightful, and I am already incorporating some of the things you mentioned into what I do with my Ellen team, cause it just makes it more fun and exciting to try these things. I would love to see more insight on tech that characters may have in future. These are things I dont think id ever discover on my own
This vedio is so helpful. Thank you ! 🙏🏻
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 loving the content and totally agree/enjoy your labbing concept with mmos
you were geeking out bro and i loved that. I wanna know what the S rank Maid could do, that would be insane!
Learning wuthering waves/fighting games from you/GekkoSquirrel has made this game SOOOOOOOO much more fun than I could’ve done for myself a few years ago
dont know how these ppl saying its button mashing when i have to try hard to get S rank in later game mode missions/ story missions. The training one for getting materials to upgrade is obviously easy but the later gamemode missions could 3-4 shots a character if u miss dodges + theres a strategy of killing specific enemies first before u take on the main boss because they deal massive damage if left alone. Mind you I have upgraded my characters to level 30 for missions that require only 23-27. I will say this the later story missions could be a little harder but still i was overleveled. But the gamemode missions are definitely not easy maybe u guys have teams that the enemies have weakness to? i have lycoan rinni and corin trying to replace corrin currently with ellen. The only thing i agree with is the TV sections need to be replaced more with fighting. Wish the TV was more of a puzzle thing you do while you go around the battle field to unlock area or loot or something. Lastly, the game has been public for only 2-3 days? You guys are acting like it is never gonna change. the 180 draw thing was a bit scummy though because i have done 160 pulls, 100 for standard and 60 for limited and i'm currently level 26.
Not to mention half of the characters having mechanics to their basic attacks/ passives to switch more and maximize damage. Trust me button mashing aint doing shit in the end game modes.
In the Pre-release special, they have explained that they are going to be moving away from the tvs and have more in-map transitions. Currently though there wasn't enough time to move from the TV gameplay.
Honestly really loving how you explain things. I’m not someone who spent a lot of time playing games growing up and have only gotten into it during adulthood. Even then it’s not a lot of combat games exactly. The way you detail things actually really helps me to understand while also maintaining the complexities behind the different gameplays.
Love you and ur content man.i hate seeing people try to just dumb down the gameplay to just mashing. This is a game about style and how you do things. keep up the amazing work❤
this is exactly what ive been telling people, the game is a lot deeper then you’d think as long as u pay attention to what ur doing
This is helpful! I'm eyeing to get Nekomata. This might be an old video as I saw on the comment section, but this is indeed helpful!
Saving this for later currently binging the story and getting used to the differences coming from genshin and hsr 😂
edit: you’re doing WHAT to the enemy 17:06 ☠️
I just found your channel and it's refreshing to see someone really enjoying the game and knowing how the combat works! Are you considering making guides per character now that the game has released? I would watch for sure
I fully incorporated Nicole's hidden tech into my combos. Dodged lots of moves with her 360º
Ive commented once before on your video and honestly i still dont know much about what i am doing in the game. Since i pulled nekomata a lot of this was relevant to me. I also really like playing anby and then by default i guess nicole. Thanks for explaining more about the combat for people like me.
I did not expect to fucking learn that Nicole has a SPD motion
tbh, i really don't care about people saying it's just button mash. I love how cinematic zzz battle can be, it's pleasing to my eyes, therefore I play. People will always be trying to hate the game anyway. So, they can hate the game for no purpose and I can have fun with it. Hate vs fun, which one people will choose? I choose fun.
yeah i saw that video and feeling dejavu was watching this. but its good to have a refresher
Btw I'm sure you know this already by now but nobody else mentioned it so I will
Only support character are the one's that trigger the "quick assist" and when activated you will always swap to the character to the right in your party set up and some characters like Ellen for example can benefit from being swapped in with a quick assist.
This guy is gonna blow up. Mark my words. Proud to be here before 5k subs
took me 10 hours to realise different input strings make different attack strings, and it was the first thing i looked for during the tutorial lol
idk why people be hating on this game... its better than those other stale games they made, it can grow, I hope for all types of content updates.
i read somewhere that one of the reason is because it took them long process to reroll, so rerollers and account seller didn't like that , cause they need to actually play the game longer than they wanted to.
@@WibuIstriLima I’m only like lvl 20 and I can say, the game is fun to me, I just don’t like the energy system and level locks. That reroll excuse is wild, there’s a pity system and the story/quests give you currency to get multiple pulls. I do understand that it takes long to get to though, still being able to choose a 5 star is cool as long as the game gives you ways to get the currency… I judge a game on gameplay, not rerolling methods, if you don’t like what you get at the start then make a new account I guess? I like the action, roguelike mode, hoping for more enemies/bosses/maps and level progression systems for the character (different combo skill trees) and maybe even actual pvevp/pvp content, that’s just me though.
It can grow and it gets better at lvl 25-30 (or so they say) but that's already a problem. Why would people sit through 12 hours of boring button mashing in hopes it gets somewhat fun somewhere in the future, and that's a maybe?
@@Soundwave1900if you don't like it...don't play it ?
@@Soundwave1900 I can literally say the same thing about other games? Last time I played genshin, it had like 2 abilities and basic attacks that’s it, you farm or buy a weapon and hero or whatever they are called then do the same thing rinse repeat, this game though ZZZ has way more to do imo and is more satisfying, the graphics/animations are better than most, feels like an old pc game like dfo, elsword or grandchase, lost saga, which I like, just hope the direction isn’t obscured and the possibilities of content are imaginable
Good shit bro, i learned alot
This one video got me more hype for this game than ANY other trailer or any type of media. Gameplay is everything if you play team based fighting games this is so hype. The sick part is if they were willing to put this in the game then the content will have to warrant it.
The anby one is all u needed to show. That's cool 😂
Thank you, I've been saying the combo potential in this game has a high ceiling. I've been thinking all the complaints are from people who dont understand fighting games or switch tech at all calling it a mash fest.
You can play the game how you want, its casual friendly and if you want to take it farther you just have to keep playing around. I didn't see it until I started playing the hard mode missions. That mode you cant just mash to meet the goals. Great video!
Really great content. Can you do detailed character guides please? You have a great way to explain combat mechnaics.
This game already has one of my favorite battle systems in gaming.
As someone who loves action-RPGs(especially Tales Of, which many have intricate combos) and action hacknslash like Bayonetta and Astral Chain, I feel right at home.
Yes, the combat in ZZZ isn't super deep, but it still has enough complexity to learn mechanics that the usual button masher won't go into. As well as how incredibly intuitive, dynamic, and smooth the combat feels. ZZZ truly nailed game-y combat. ✨️
this is abit unrelated to the video, but would an ellen (no lycaon, shark bangboo) be better than a signature weapon nekomata??
its so cool seeing this channel blow up so much
because the content is just good and informative when there isn’t much coverage on zzz rn imo. Iyo popping off
Thank for pointing out that nicole trick.
I would have never tough to turn her around in the middel of charging her skill or, for that matter, releasing skill in the middel of her twirl.
I'm now going to see if i can find other moves like this.
Edit: I have tried doing the nicole tech with mouse and keyboard. It is indeed hard, but not impossble to do with one hand. Would recommend joystick or controller tho.
Farming materials seems to be pretty fun in this game, mainly because you get a higher rank and more materials based on how well you play. Plus it's just straight fun to play like this.
How to prioritize Ults. Should you always use main dps, Or should you plan multiple ults on long fights and use a rotation?
Figuring out how to chain Staggers is soooo satisfying!
a seven month old video and I'm still enchanted; great stuff my guy
Yo Iyo, Idk if you read this comment and maybe you may recognise my name but genuinely think you are by far the best cc in zzz in terms of providing information that is very useful that the large population of cc’s aren’t covering because they are dunking on the game before understanding it’s complexity. I think all your vids on this channel has been bangers and they popped of for a reason.
I would say I would really love if you made a series showing a comprehensive guide to all hidden attacks of all characters and characters as they come out. Kinda like a moveset video.The nicole stuff you showed tectone on stream I literally had 0 clue about and stuff like that is very useful to know in the space. 🙏
Bro, I appreciate how you don't just shit on the game, you explain the mechanics of characters because as a fighting game player I enjoy learning different tech for characters, personally I am really enjoying ZZZ its not a perfect game but neither is HSR and especially Genshin (no offense to Genshin enjoyers) they are all good games in their own right but cater to different audiences the sooner people learn that the better experience people will have with not only ZZZ but with HSR and Genshin too.
Thanks for the tips! Will you make independent guides tho for characters?
Thank you so much for this video, it actually opened my eyes. As primarially a fighting game player too, I was also thinking this game probably had a lot more depth than it first appeared, and after this video decided to hit the lab with my favourite character Billy Kid and jesus christ there's a lot going on there.
Billy's first weapon encourages you to keep your distance from your enemy, which implies he's a simple ranged attacker using his rolling dodges out of crouching fire to continously shoot and keep his distance. The problem with this is that it does bugger all damage anyway, contributes no stun and generally slows fights down.
I looked ahead at his levelling route and his next weapon, lets look at them in combination:
- Billy Level 1: Dash attack/Dodge Counter generate bonus ultimate
- Billy Level 2: Rolling dodge can be used as perfect dodge and dodge counters gain increased damage
- Billy's second weapon: Performing a perfect dodge increases damage by 12% for 12 seconds
- Billy Level 4: Special Attack gains bonus crit% at close range
This was a suprise to me; it implied billy could and should be played as a close range dodge character, which sounded much more fun. This is when I hit the lab and did some damage testing and what I found blew the character wide open.
Billy's crouching fire isn't a 'move', it's a 'state'. You can cancel Billy's crouching shots into any action; a dash attack, a special attack, a perfect dodge attack and he continues to fire crouching out of the end of the move... unless you break the chain. The second you stop firing or linking moves together, he has to continuously fire to re-enable the state.
And this is where it gets really wild: *any move used in 'crouching fire' gains the FULL bonus damage. You can test for yourself: Billy's special attack has a final hit which registers at the end of it; it increases by approx 30% which lines up with the base damage increase of crouching shot.
So to play Billy and maximise damage, you have to be continuously firing and dodging using perfect dodge out of rolling dodge to keep your damage buff rolling. This must be done at close range to A) Prompt your enemy to attack and B) Be in range to deliver your special attack at point blank range for max crit. Beyond that, his only 'long duration' switch cancel is immediately after a rolling shot: he'll do the flip, fire for a few seconds and finish with the crouching shot ender.
This is a lot of shit to do, and basically none of it is explained to you by the game, and I think that's awesome. Maybe it's the fighting game player in me, but figuring out this stuff for myself, testing it and finding synergies to use with it gives me life.
Don't sleep on characters in this game, they're much more complicated than they look or the game tells you. And if you think things have massive HP pools... get gud.
Should I play Koleda - Ben - Lucy team in the quickswap way? Idk what is the most optimal way to play that team
The thing about HYV games is you can bash your head against everything and still get results. But, if you really wanna be at the top of your game, you need to notice the little details and play around those.
I like how this is compared to fighting games, you can win just by mashing or you can win easier by being aware of your moveset, great video!
Keep us updated on this stuff, it's really interesting
Nicole's lying on floor skill on K+M: Hold dodge, hold skill, circular motion (WASDW, WDSAW), release dodge and skill.
Yo please do more hidden combo type videos. Good shit
I feel like if they added a bit of early HI3's boss design philosophy (character bosses that have a similar moveset to their playable counterparts) or even with Genshin with certain parts of the Shogun weekly boss and the tartaglia boss' 2nd phase. They could insentivise more experimentation.
THANK YOU!!! I'm so happy finally seeing a content creator actually understand what the point of the gameplay is. It's crazy how people just won't bother to interact with any of it unless the game forces them to -_- And then I bet when their DPS sucks 80% of them will just blame gear or whatever
keep up the good work gamer
I'm new to ZZZ, Hoyo and gacha in general. I was so reassured to hear 3rd Strike music playing. That's how you know you're dealing with an expert on finer action/fighting game mechanics.
The Nicole tech was 100% meant to be there. Not having to press the skill button and being able to use her skill, while doing her basic attacks is so cool and actually useful. I hope in the future to see more videos like this one.
The HIA is actually the Hidden Input Association. This is where you learn all the hidden moves with the help of a dummy mecha
Hey Iyo. Great vid, Hope you're enjoying ZZZ. In case you didnt know... timaeuSS' cn analysis/breakdown actually mentioned that character have special moves and showed off nicole's(the one you did). This makes this game so much more enjoyable to me the Dev's put in stuff like this.
What is pianoing in terms of what Anby is doing to avoid assist trigger
ok I needed this. Finally someone who is a fighting game player that also enjoys these games. Someone I can relate to holy shit
I see this game like i see HSR as exemple you can do the End game content like Floor 12 MoC with any team you want even Arlan with very high investment but if you want to 1,2 or 0 cycle it you need to think
-good rotation
-should i use my SP or keep it
-should i trigger the ult or keep it
-good Speed tuning (that's theorycrafting but anyway)
Are you force to do so ?
No absolutely not you can mash button and play the game the way you want to.
But if you play this way, you might get little more satisfaction than just mashing button.
Now... To find out how to do all those hidden combo's on mobile XD
japanese action games have always been riddled with hidden tech which is not explained or badly explained that you figure out as you play that makes them more fun, glad ure invested in this, keep the tech comin..
mihoyo is chinese
@@ssheeepp kool my bad.. still, great action combat..
@@thebonuslvl7181 yesyes ofc
This was sooooo interesting. Please more ZZZ content !
Iyo i see your point. You can watch the collab video they made with the street fighter video. The producer of the game admittedly says there's hidden combos on purpose so I can say that they won't remove the tech. He also said you should discover the game yourself
7:33 I haven't seen anyone use such an attack of her ability yet ;D Master of Martial Arts, sensei)
So units get special move sets when you have a certain combo of characters. For example Ben and the girl with bear ears has an assist move.
Sometimez u have to Hold the buttons... they actually added real combos for some characters, its dope.