In terms of Jane's "Unknown" faction, I'm pretty sure she's just going to be part of N.E.P.S. In the official faction trailers she was shown on the same line-up with the rest of the NEPS, and the update is called UNDERCOVER R&B, so it really isn't too much of a stretch to figure out that Jane is actually just part of NEPS but undercover with the gangs.
@@AkbarIpulcoolCh I think Rina will be better than Seth, she gives +3s for shock dot (which leads to more disorder dmg) + penetration, but this is question of calcs, so better to wait, but I doubt S support will be worse than A tank
I'm so conflicted I love anbys character but qingyi looks so much more fun as anbys gameplay is a bit lack luster. plus she'll be great for my Zhu Yuan. on the other hand the rat has a fat ass
I think it's pretty obvious that like PF/MOC in HSR, Shiyu mechanics will rotate to fit the characters on the current banner to incentivize people to roll. You should not expect it to be forever stun centric, and you can safely bet we will have an anomaly shiyu cycle around Jane's release. And like in HSR, you will benefit from diversifying your teams (a stun team, an anomaly team, and whatever else they come up with) to clear the rotating content. Of course you can still brute force it if you don't have the specific team comp, but it'll probably feel pretty bad (like not having a FUA team in HSR when the bonus mechanics is FUA centric, same thing for break teams or dot teams).
I'm thinking Jane will fulfill a role for Anomaly comps similar to Kafka for DoT comps in HSR. The way anomaly and disorder works I feel Assault will be the best option to proc disorder after a different initial anomaly and get the greateast amount of frontloaded damage. So you can build you team with a first anomaly character to counter the enemies weakness and Jane to proc Disorder and deal her own Assault damage.
Thing is without Grace, Jane is not that great. You can’t really pair her with Piper since she is of the same element. But if you’re willing to wait for more anomaly units then sure go for it. My pulls will still go for Qingyi.
i think it’s important to point out that even if they directly “powercreep” a-rank characters or the standard characters by releasing the same element/combat type, the additional abilities of each character still helps them create a niche where they belong. piper will still be really good because she can be played with lucy, and future units from their faction. anby is still okay because of nicole as they create a nice combo. it’s a smart design for hoyo to make.
Honestly I really hope that she and piper are gonna work well together. Otherwise skip because my girly Piper is staying in my team no matter what 🥰🥰😍😍
There's also the benefit where A-ranks are substantially easier to get to max mindscape while S-ranks require either absurd luck or obscene amounts of money to feasibly level up their mindscapes quickly.
Feel is also very important in a combat game like this. Piper feels incredible to play because her weapon spins and sound effects feel so satisfyingly heavy, Jane has more of an agile, evasive vibe which is totally different from Piper.
Good to see you’re back on Zenless Zone Zero info guides! I’ll be waiting for Miyabi + Section 6 & Victoria Housekeeping. I would like to stick with certain factions. Jane Doe looks really cool though!
I was going for Qingyi but then I got Lycaon in my last standard pull out of nowhere so now I have all stunners and I'm staring at Jane's bakery and having second thoughts
i got lycan as my 1 s unit and now i am using anby lycan but anby dont gives % dmg buff on break so i will 100% go forr the stunner that way i have 2 stunner that gives %break dmg buff but most important for me is i am a billy main i need those cons on her banner so its win win
They drip marketed as Jane being from an unknown faction.. but they forgot that they had Jane being with Pub Sec faction during the trailer when they teased all of the factions
It's likely more of a lore thing with her being a double agent, which interestingly might result in a character with 2 factions that can activate her conditional passive.
Gonna be real, I kinda wanna go in for Jane. Not because I want Jane but because I want Seth. The Parry -> quick assist back to primary unit function was an absolute BLAST
I'm definitely going to pull for Qingyi. I enjoyed the dynamic her and Zhu Yuan had, and I don't have any other limited 5* stunner. I have a1 Grace, Grace's w-engine and Nekomata so far from the standard banner, and got and love Zhu Yuan... so Qingyi is a no-brainer. That said, I love me some DoTs and status effects. Jane Doe is very interesting and I would love for Hoyo to offer more incentive to play non crit-based DPS, since that's always more interesting to me.
Jane Doe + Nekomata will be insane, with the amount of assault you'll be throwing out, and how fast they'll be doing damage. And since flinch is built into assault, your need for a stunner is significantly lower so anyone can fill that third slot. I can't wait. Plus JD got that gyatt
You share my thoughts. Qingyi's role as a Stun agent vastly outweighs Jane's damage output, as I only have one Anby and no other Stunners. ... I also like her style. And art. I wouldn't mind getting bonked with her Cerberus stick any time 😉
I would personally say that if you have Grace, Jane Doe's value skyrockets since Shock Disorder is incredibly powerful at this point of the game. Disorder teams don't require stunners and are quite more universal (in terms of damage type) than looking for on-element crit teams, since Shiyu is an element check at the moment. Yes, DPS characters are prone to getting powercrept, but if you want to clear more content now then Qingyi is a better pull on her rerun.
PLZ in the future consider to add a part where you discuss more in depth about the other characters that are in each respective S-rank character banners. Resources wise, i think its a very good topic to highlight (many ppl consider Qingyi not a great choice because of the other characters in her banner).
I've got both Ellen and Zhu Yuan, but only Anby for Stun. Qingyi will be a huge help, allowing me to properly fill out two teams for Shiyu defense. Even if I manage to get Lycaon for Ellen, Qingyi is guaranteed to be superior to Anby, and she's a universal Stunner that can work at full strength with any Attack unit. I also just got Grace on the road to Zhu Yuan, and Jane honestly looks like a ton of fun. So, I'll grab her as well. I thought I might be able to put off topping off for longer, but no such luck. Hoping I can max out Seth while getting Jane, too. He looks way too fun for an A-Rank.
Get Qingyi if you want a top tier stunner. Get jane doe if you want a Piper upgrade. Just know jane doe works best if you have another anomaly unit like Grace so you can trigger disorder. If youre getting JD and hope shes like Ellen or ZY, she wont be. Her raw dps will be low. Most of her dmg will come from procing assault
@@myku1182 neko takes a lot of field time and so does Jane. You'll find them fighting for field time a lot. My suggestion is to run Jane, Seth, and Rina or Grace to proc disorder. Disorder team will be her best teams.
I thought Jane mechanic looks more interesting so I will pull her instead of Qingyi. It is nice to clear the end game content but it’s ok if I can’t. So, better to pull character that I like.
I have lycaon for my Ellen team and I've been using Anby for Zhu team. Like anby but i can definitely feel her dragging as I go higher up the levels. I also liked her from the storymode missions and trust missions with Zhu. Hoping Seth is gonna be released with her, didn't care too much for him until I saw he was a charge blade user lol
So basically, For lowspender, F2P what you have on Guarantee standard banner, if you have Koleda or lycaon = 0 point (can skip) Qinyi if you have Don't have standard Banner stunner = +1 Qinyi if you have Grace = +1 for Jane Doe If you don't have Nekomata / Piper built = +1 Jane Doe
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I invested quite a bit on zhu yuan, nicole and s11 at lvl50. Other than that Ben, lucy, grace, anby with some skill at max level and core at lvl40
@@Luftgitarrenprofi yea that's my thought as well cause I want to make use of Grace so I can bring it in some electric weak fight in shiyu cause for some reason they are usually resist to fire. Butttt on the other hand I want qingyi mostly to replace Anby cause somehow I don't really like Anby kit that much. It might just be skill issue on my part but yeah
@@Luftgitarrenprofi Piper is kinda unique coz of her stagger playstyle. You can spam her slam and almost permastun the enemy which is kinda huge. Pair that with other units and you can karaage cancel and negative edge between animations faster damage. Neko and Lucy comes into mind when it comes to best teammates for Piper atm.
Pulling for Qingyi for sure -- I was lucky enough to get Lycaon as my first Standard S character; I was also then lucky and got Ellen relatively quickly, and Zhu Yuan, on their respective banners without going to pity and winning the 50/50. (yes, I am bragging a bit.) So I have an ideal/perfect team of Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku and Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/Nicole. Jane's playstyle might be interesting, but I do not have a lineup for her as ideal as the one I have for these two teams. I think I would rather save my currency for Premium/S-rank supports rather than just another damage-dealer. If i get Qingyi early I'll consider it, but honestly, I don't expect my luck to hold out, and I think - because of the situation i found myself in - my best option will be to focus on the teams I have that are pretty much 'done', rather than pre-planning for a team I don't have.
I luv the vid so much, thk you for brought up the analyze and recomendation of choices for the banner, i've been in confuse since the last livestream to chose who to pull for F2P players, this vid really enlighted my thoughts !!
The 2 teams I go about are Ellen (w/signature) and Soukaku (M6,W/maxxed signature). Soldier 11 (M1 from losing Zhu Yuan 50/50, w/signature) and Ben (M6, w/signature). Plus Grace (M1) for whichever team are facing machines that generates shields or someone for Dodge assist. It's worked out incredibly well so far. In this Shiyu defense run, I easily S ranked 11-15. For 16, I was just short 20s for the S. I'm thinking to build Grace/pivot her weapon a bit more though I'm not sure how much that'll help. Haven't tried 17 but I'm confident to get A as well. I think the reason my 2 man team works so well compared to my friend who has gone horizontal enough for both mono ice (all of 'em) and fire teams (has them all, bastard even has ZhuYuan) is because of how much the signatures buffs my main DPS's. There's also the consideration of grinding materials to build those teams so yeah, given enough time, he might outstrip me, but so far, with my unintentionally 'Vertical' 2 man team, I am lacking a Stunner so I might pull for Qing Yi. Tbh, when I learnt why Piper is incredibly good, I was thinking to save for Jane since I have Nekomata so I could reasonable build a Physical team. I'm a f2p, I swear! My luck ran out on Zhu Yuan's banner .
my hope is i get qingyi and that jane doe ends up in the same faction cuz i'd pull for her just so i can have an anomaly team with them and grace. it sounds fun to be able to have 2 good anomaly chars and a good stun so you can get like 2+ disorders under a buffed stun and just repeat
JD is the only one who can fit to each of them. She has the same faction as ZY and same attribute as Nekomata. Plus she has that extra cake on her, make your choice bro
@@gan9620 Thanks for the statement, i literally lose my 50 on QingYi to Nekomata, and i have Zhu Yuan, that means i can put JD in a Ether team / Physical Team
For anyone that pulled Zhu Yuan Qingyi is probably the best choice and will be big upgrade compared to Anby. Anby has very bad Mindscapes. Anyone who has Lycaon can check how big gap is between him and Anby on higher diffculties and Qingyi will be even better than him for Zhu Yuan.
Another great video explaining the 2 new units, but I'm more interested in Qing Yi together with my Zhu Yuan. I'm also at a loss on which Bangboo to use for that team. I understand there was another video about Bangboo and picking the faction based ones have more value. But I cannot see myself keeping Qing Yi in this team especially when there might be other Ether stunners coming out in the future. That being said, it seems like the Ether Bangboo might be a better fit but I need a second opinion on this.
I have ellen and rina but I don't have lycaon, should I get qinyi for that team or zhuyuan since there are just so many ether weak enemies everywhere? I'm unsure which one should I get, I'm guaranteed and can get to the pity by the end of zhuyuan banner so it's basically I can pick whoever between them, I'm just so confused
Not sure if I should pull for Jane or not. I want to, but I've got the full mono-ice team and a Grace Anton Anby/Koleda team , so Jane seems more useful than Qingyi? Maybe? Or am I letting assets blind me?
i find that nicole is also a really good character to prock anomaly even tho she's only a support. And so i use piper-nicole-nekomata and i prock disorder a lot, and when u give nicole an anomaly mastery main stat, she builds up corruption even faster. So just putting it out there that nicole might be an alternative if u dont have grace
@@andrewang2174 ur such a fun person, let's not talk about the game but my grammar, and ur correcting me on something that's to ur understanding, not a word. U must be very nice to hang around in real life bruh
i think a thing that matters, maybe not as much as the s rank themselves, is the banner in total. like trying to get qingyi while billy and corin are boosted must feel terrible.
I was planning since launch to pull Jane, but now that I've pulled and built Nekomata + Piper, I wonder if it's still worth doing from an efficiency standpoint.
@@stevedoe8622by that logic, theres no reason to ever pull for any 5-star characters since theres already 4 star counter parts. why go for zhu yuan when you have nicole? why go for qingyi when you have anby? why jd when piper? etc. i dont think its fair to simply throw any characters under the “theyre just a 5-star __” bus. it really devaluates the characters
I am seriously thinking about skipping this banner(s) jane might be worth it but if Miyabi's or her teammate's Harumasa or Yanagi banner follows after that is going to annoy me a bit...great video your logical assessment has really helped me.
A question, why don't you calculate for the added value that the 4star Seth will be available on on of their banners? It could ad to pull value for some people.
@@staywithmeow549 ya I’m mostly referring to future limited characters and I don’t see another phys anomaly coming for a long time. Kinda sucks for piper tho
QingYi is obviously supposed to pair with burst dps atm. I want to get her for her combat but I don't want ZhuYuan, now I have to take a risk on if she will pair well with another burst dps in future and not get power crept by new impact characters to fast (risky only from a value perspective). Jane is a much easier decision especially when Seth is obviously supposed to pair with her and she is a main damage carry so anyone missing a second team this would be a good pick up. Also QingYi banner A rank agents are yikes :(
@@michaelyang838 downplaying a new playstyle for a faster anby is crazy talk. Seeing how you spam about qingyi in the comments, I dont see the point of continuing this lmao
@@2fersttwo Currently I do not intend to use A rank as main damage carry, they are fine for any other content but trying to full clear Shiyu 17 with A-Rank agents is just objectively harder than with S-Rank damage carries.
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I think your point is correct but from leaks I don't think 1.2 characters have anyone that I would be summoning but of course it's leaks so it's not guaranteed. I think I would summon one of them in 1.1 then summon a character from 1.3.
I have all 3 stunners Lucian Koleda and Anby but I don’t use Anby just the other two. So I guess investment wise would it be smarter to go for Jane if I lose the 50/50 to Qingyi
Guys, Piper does insane amount of damage with little investment because she is a anommaly class character. Jane Doe will probably double or triple Piper as a character damage.
Personally I think if anby is your only stun agent qingyi is potentially a very good option for a second stun even tho they are both electric but Jane doe’s banner is definetly much better especially with the A ranks and if she has her bonus activated by any anomaly character disorder could honestly be insane in like a Jane, grace, rina team but as of right now for me I’m not sure what I’m doing for 1.1 even tho my only stun agent is anby
This might be a stupid question but how viable do you think a triple Anomaly team with Jane, Piper and Grace? I love Jane's design but I don't want to drop my Piper.
Not too sure on the damage calcs but i think most likely triple anomaly could be strong but only in the future with 3 different elements to spam disorder. Right now piper and jane are both physical which may not be increasing the number of disorders you can proc. You'll probably be getting more team damage slotting in a support like rina or lucy than double physical anomaly. Depends on the team rotation though, so i cant say for sure
My only stunner is Anby so I really want the premium stunner for Zhu Yuan. I saw Qingyi can activate passive with ANY attack unit (or NEPS), I wonder how they will handle this in the future
My luck has been pretty good so far. I got Ellen in the first 10 pull on the account, but lost her weapon pull, then got ju yuan at pity. Now I’ll be saving for awhile lol
it really depends on your acc at thia point of the game you are lacking premium damage dealers only ones we have are Ellen and Zhu Yuan, so if you didnt get both then you would prob be lacking dmg Qingyi can help with that ofc, just not as much as Jane Doe if you are fine with your dps roster go for Qingyi, if you need a phys dps for nekomata go jane doe
Damn, so my team is Grace Nicole and Anton at the moment, I wanted to get Qingyi cause of her playstyle but its looking like Jane Doe is the better pick? should I roll for Zhu Yuan and try to get Qingyi aswell? BIG SADGE
...I thought it was pretty clear that Jane Doe is in the NEPS faction. From all of the faction line ups, and all of the undercover theming and titles, she's heavily implied to be a spy type for Pub Sec.
Yeah i have a feeling that Qingyi will be replaced very easily in the future (maybe not for ZY team) as soon as they release more stunners. I think Anomaly is going to be the meta after Jane Doe releases. Her kit is completely broken and much more future proof so I am pulling for her and maybe her sig w engine if i get lucky
If we combine qing yi with lycaon would that give the enemy +90% dmg multiplier? I was thinking corin might be hyperbuffed for the stun window if that is the case
@@Lowlightt while sett does rise up the anomaly proficiency, rina gives pen ratio and eletric buffs, the duration of shock its kinda a big thing if you consider the nature of disorder
i think hoyoverse is trying new formula's like what they do on genshin you can have a off piece on your artifact i think jane doe will not having a faction even in the future bcoz shes on the villain side and hoyoverse wants us to play more characters even if its villain so she will be villain faction or factionless will be her other resonating team
current teams team 1 Ellan Lycon souk, team 2 Zhu Anby Nicky. Im current going for Nicky m6 after already getting Zhu but only going up to soft pity on my 50/50. My plans for pulling 1.1 whatever i get i used up trying for Qingyi but it a "nice to have" pull for me im not worried if i miss 50/50.
also im currrent intel level 48 so im pre farm stuff i will need for my dps, than i go for drives. Since im not going to beable to get Qingyi im not going to pre farm her mats but i will have a weapon and drive current on anby for her if i get lucky
You should add to these type of videos which would be a better value based on what you might have pulled. Like JD being better if you have grace and or rina.
If you have Grace then Jane, I would pull Qingyi only if i didn't have any S rank stunners or wanted a really flexible one because attacker condition is one of the easiest.
I have had so much luck in ZZZ that I'm scared Ellen C2 + weapon in 100 pulls And a Koleda too And ZhuYuan C1 + weapon in 50 pulls And in the permanent Soldier 11 and the second S rank was her weapon
dammit, compared to me limited : 160 pull = Lycon + Ellen stamdar : 140 pull = Lycon + Rina's weapon pains me. I guess I need to wait 6 month to clear Shiyu Defense
that's insane luck wow And I felt lucky that I won the 50/50 twice for one copy of Ellen and Zhu Yuan each in 120 limited pulls total. I haven't even tried pulling for limited weapons. I feel like that would just drain all my polychrome and I wouldn't be able to afford the new banner characters
I have m1r1 Ellen and Zhu yuan. Thought I would be fine with anby but I find her too clunky to use and easily interrupted in her combo. I think I’ll go for qingyi to solidify my Zhu yuan team and just save for a bit after that.
I'm gambling who I will get on the first 50/50. That's what I did for Ellen and Zhu Yuan since I wanted both. I did get both, but I do not expect to win 3-4 50/50s in a row😅
Here’s my future pulls plan. For reference I have Ellen and Zhu Yuan PULL Jane Doe - super sick, fun, hot and strong SKIP Caesar - she seems cool but you can’t pull em all PULL Burnice - she should be super good with Jane, and cool design SKIP everyone else until the Virtual Idols come out. I just have a gut feeling the one with two Flails is going to be an ether stunner and that’ll pair so well with Zhu Yuan and Nicole. Plus her design is so cool. Then bam I have three super solid teams Ellen, Lycoan, Soukaku Virtual Idol, Nicole, Zhu Yuan Burnice, Jane, Seth Bonus teams: Grace, Jane, Seth Burnice, Piper, Lucy
See I have Koleda and Anby well built. I’m also going to pick lycoan when I get to 300 standard pulls. So I’m unsure whether or not to pick up Qingyi. I play Koleda with zhu yuan and Anby with Ellen right now. Once I get lycoan I’ll have the mono ice team, and I know Qingyi is going to be best in slot for zhu yuan, but do I really need to have 4 stunners on my account this early on? I can’t make up my mind. Plus Qingyi’s weapon is so good I know if I get her I’m going to want her weapon too. So I’m considering just holding and saving for future units, bc I know I’m going to want every new unit that comes out, but I’m a low spender so I simply can’t get every single charavyer
i wasted 20k polichrome trying to get lycaon to have the meta team, yes i know im dumb asf but i havent rlly played smth like this and i was getting an absurd amount of polichromes so now i have 290 on the standart banner and only 4k polichrome left, i dont think ill be able to get any of them
In terms of Jane's "Unknown" faction, I'm pretty sure she's just going to be part of N.E.P.S. In the official faction trailers she was shown on the same line-up with the rest of the NEPS, and the update is called UNDERCOVER R&B, so it really isn't too much of a stretch to figure out that Jane is actually just part of NEPS but undercover with the gangs.
Yea, also Seth is obviouslu her "support" with all the anomaly buffing and one same banner. How else is he supposed to proc synergy with Jane.
So her premium team would be jane-qingyi-seth if i understand that right? @@sirglame
@@AkbarIpulcoolChgrace instead of qingyi
@@AkbarIpulcoolCh I think Rina will be better than Seth, she gives +3s for shock dot (which leads to more disorder dmg) + penetration, but this is question of calcs, so better to wait, but I doubt S support will be worse than A tank
Shhhhh spoilers
I have Zhu Yuan only have have Anby for stun. I want qingyi for for her, but Jane got a fatty.
realisht shit ive heard in a while
Such a dilemma lol I too choose the fat rat
Same i only have Anby for stun and I can't for the life of me decide if i want fat stuns or a fat ass
You can't powercreep a good fatty 😜
I'm so conflicted I love anbys character but qingyi looks so much more fun as anbys gameplay is a bit lack luster. plus she'll be great for my Zhu Yuan. on the other hand the rat has a fat ass
I think it's pretty obvious that like PF/MOC in HSR, Shiyu mechanics will rotate to fit the characters on the current banner to incentivize people to roll. You should not expect it to be forever stun centric, and you can safely bet we will have an anomaly shiyu cycle around Jane's release.
And like in HSR, you will benefit from diversifying your teams (a stun team, an anomaly team, and whatever else they come up with) to clear the rotating content.
Of course you can still brute force it if you don't have the specific team comp, but it'll probably feel pretty bad (like not having a FUA team in HSR when the bonus mechanics is FUA centric, same thing for break teams or dot teams).
You're so right. When I started HSR I thought element coverage mattered most but it's actually the fighting styles ( hypercarry, DoT, FuA, and break).
I'm thinking Jane will fulfill a role for Anomaly comps similar to Kafka for DoT comps in HSR. The way anomaly and disorder works I feel Assault will be the best option to proc disorder after a different initial anomaly and get the greateast amount of frontloaded damage. So you can build you team with a first anomaly character to counter the enemies weakness and Jane to proc Disorder and deal her own Assault damage.
@@gio7053 yup that's probably it. Her Core skill is also pretty unique as she can make Assault actually crit, which could be huge.
Thing is without Grace, Jane is not that great. You can’t really pair her with Piper since she is of the same element. But if you’re willing to wait for more anomaly units then sure go for it. My pulls will still go for Qingyi.
@@anonymousfox5005 JD/Rina/Seth team goes kinda hard tho, Rina gives lots of shock and pen
I'm going to try both. Pray for me
Both in 10 right when 1.1 drops, even before Jane's banner.
I believe in you.
im praying for u win both 50/50 and get them early 🙏
@@T8-TR just do 2 singles bro
It's possible if you've been saving, otherwise you best hope you've been blessed by the RNG Gods.
Prayge
i think it’s important to point out that even if they directly “powercreep” a-rank characters or the standard characters by releasing the same element/combat type, the additional abilities of each character still helps them create a niche where they belong. piper will still be really good because she can be played with lucy, and future units from their faction. anby is still okay because of nicole as they create a nice combo. it’s a smart design for hoyo to make.
Honestly I really hope that she and piper are gonna work well together. Otherwise skip because my girly Piper is staying in my team no matter what 🥰🥰😍😍
There's also the benefit where A-ranks are substantially easier to get to max mindscape while S-ranks require either absurd luck or obscene amounts of money to feasibly level up their mindscapes quickly.
Plus I need 2 stun so I won’t actually be replacing anby until I get a 3rd stun anyways
Feel is also very important in a combat game like this. Piper feels incredible to play because her weapon spins and sound effects feel so satisfyingly heavy, Jane has more of an agile, evasive vibe which is totally different from Piper.
Ngl that scene of Jane tossing a knife with her tail in the livestream was just so cool.
This isnt the live stream tho
@@Hhhh22222-wI reckon they might know that
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we are so back
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That was a short break sir
Good to see you’re back on Zenless Zone Zero info guides! I’ll be waiting for Miyabi + Section 6 & Victoria Housekeeping. I would like to stick with certain factions. Jane Doe looks really cool though!
I was going for Qingyi but then I got Lycaon in my last standard pull out of nowhere so now I have all stunners and I'm staring at Jane's bakery and having second thoughts
I doubt that cake will be powercrept anytime soon.
@@ryanclouse299 it'll just be copied, but not outdone for a long as hell time to come I do believe.
i got lycan as my 1 s unit and now i am using anby lycan but anby dont gives % dmg buff on break so i will 100% go forr the stunner that way i have 2 stunner that gives %break dmg buff but most important for me is i am a billy main i need those cons on her banner so its win win
Remember Qingyi's buns. Hers is electric in comparison.
Pull for who you like more, but already having S rank stunners is a pretty big factor for Qingyi skippers.
Def getting Qingyi cuz she’s the perfect partner for Zhu in both utility and lore. I will get Jane Doe cuz hot lol
I mean if you have the money to go for the characters it kinda saves you having to make a choice
They drip marketed as Jane being from an unknown faction.. but they forgot that they had Jane being with Pub Sec faction during the trailer when they teased all of the factions
It's likely more of a lore thing with her being a double agent, which interestingly might result in a character with 2 factions that can activate her conditional passive.
Gonna be real, I kinda wanna go in for Jane. Not because I want Jane but because I want Seth. The Parry -> quick assist back to primary unit function was an absolute BLAST
I'm definitely going to pull for Qingyi. I enjoyed the dynamic her and Zhu Yuan had, and I don't have any other limited 5* stunner. I have a1 Grace, Grace's w-engine and Nekomata so far from the standard banner, and got and love Zhu Yuan... so Qingyi is a no-brainer.
That said, I love me some DoTs and status effects. Jane Doe is very interesting and I would love for Hoyo to offer more incentive to play non crit-based DPS, since that's always more interesting to me.
Jane Doe + Nekomata will be insane, with the amount of assault you'll be throwing out, and how fast they'll be doing damage. And since flinch is built into assault, your need for a stunner is significantly lower so anyone can fill that third slot. I can't wait. Plus JD got that gyatt
I love Nekomata, can't wait to see how Jane feels when we play as them
yeah the nekomata passive will always make the EX hit hard with assault from Jane, I'm looking forward to test them together
If only icd wast that long, even with piper I still manage to get the second assault under 3 second 😅
sadly, they dont work well together and actually hinder each other heavily
You share my thoughts. Qingyi's role as a Stun agent vastly outweighs Jane's damage output, as I only have one Anby and no other Stunners.
... I also like her style. And art. I wouldn't mind getting bonked with her Cerberus stick any time 😉
I would personally say that if you have Grace, Jane Doe's value skyrockets since Shock Disorder is incredibly powerful at this point of the game. Disorder teams don't require stunners and are quite more universal (in terms of damage type) than looking for on-element crit teams, since Shiyu is an element check at the moment.
Yes, DPS characters are prone to getting powercrept, but if you want to clear more content now then Qingyi is a better pull on her rerun.
I’m still learning this game but I do have grace and like her. Glad JD synergies with her and recommendation on who should be the 3rd in the team?
PLZ in the future consider to add a part where you discuss more in depth about the other characters that are in each respective S-rank character banners. Resources wise, i think its a very good topic to highlight (many ppl consider Qingyi not a great choice because of the other characters in her banner).
Jane has corin, billy
@@Miky_hu Jane has Seth (new A rank) and Anby, Qingyi has Corin and Billy
I've got both Ellen and Zhu Yuan, but only Anby for Stun. Qingyi will be a huge help, allowing me to properly fill out two teams for Shiyu defense. Even if I manage to get Lycaon for Ellen, Qingyi is guaranteed to be superior to Anby, and she's a universal Stunner that can work at full strength with any Attack unit.
I also just got Grace on the road to Zhu Yuan, and Jane honestly looks like a ton of fun. So, I'll grab her as well. I thought I might be able to put off topping off for longer, but no such luck. Hoping I can max out Seth while getting Jane, too. He looks way too fun for an A-Rank.
Get Qingyi if you want a top tier stunner. Get jane doe if you want a Piper upgrade. Just know jane doe works best if you have another anomaly unit like Grace so you can trigger disorder. If youre getting JD and hope shes like Ellen or ZY, she wont be. Her raw dps will be low. Most of her dmg will come from procing assault
Will she performance as a sub dps proc-ing assault so my nekomata do the dps? (And the third member is seth)
Me with grace and zhu yuan as my s ranks wanting both of them 😂
@@myku1182 if go with Neko and Jane, third should be Lucy for her atk buff
@@phongphamthanh5911 I don't have her sadly, but I've heard Seth has anomaly buffs that can synergize well with Jane so I might also get copies of him
@@myku1182 neko takes a lot of field time and so does Jane. You'll find them fighting for field time a lot. My suggestion is to run Jane, Seth, and Rina or Grace to proc disorder. Disorder team will be her best teams.
I thought Jane mechanic looks more interesting so I will pull her instead of Qingyi. It is nice to clear the end game content but it’s ok if I can’t. So, better to pull character that I like.
I have lycaon for my Ellen team and I've been using Anby for Zhu team. Like anby but i can definitely feel her dragging as I go higher up the levels. I also liked her from the storymode missions and trust missions with Zhu. Hoping Seth is gonna be released with her, didn't care too much for him until I saw he was a charge blade user lol
Unfortunately we already know Seth is only running with JD, they’re doing kind of scummy A rank up pattern for 1.1 imo
@@LegolasTN Not really since Seth works best with anomaly teams
So basically, For lowspender, F2P
what you have on Guarantee standard banner,
if you have Koleda or lycaon = 0 point (can skip) Qinyi
if you have Don't have standard Banner stunner = +1 Qinyi
if you have Grace = +1 for Jane Doe
If you don't have Nekomata / Piper built = +1 Jane Doe
I have grace and at the same time don't have piper/neko or any standard banner stunner. what should I do XD
@@NopepaNopepayou can run jane grace seth too
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I invested quite a bit on zhu yuan, nicole and s11 at lvl50. Other than that Ben, lucy, grace, anby with some skill at max level and core at lvl40
@@Luftgitarrenprofi yea that's my thought as well cause I want to make use of Grace so I can bring it in some electric weak fight in shiyu cause for some reason they are usually resist to fire.
Butttt on the other hand I want qingyi mostly to replace Anby cause somehow I don't really like Anby kit that much. It might just be skill issue on my part but yeah
@@Luftgitarrenprofi Piper is kinda unique coz of her stagger playstyle. You can spam her slam and almost permastun the enemy which is kinda huge. Pair that with other units and you can karaage cancel and negative edge between animations faster damage. Neko and Lucy comes into mind when it comes to best teammates for Piper atm.
Hoping if I lose Qingyi 50/50 its to Koleda
Pulling for Qingyi for sure -- I was lucky enough to get Lycaon as my first Standard S character; I was also then lucky and got Ellen relatively quickly, and Zhu Yuan, on their respective banners without going to pity and winning the 50/50. (yes, I am bragging a bit.) So I have an ideal/perfect team of Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku and Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/Nicole.
Jane's playstyle might be interesting, but I do not have a lineup for her as ideal as the one I have for these two teams. I think I would rather save my currency for Premium/S-rank supports rather than just another damage-dealer. If i get Qingyi early I'll consider it, but honestly, I don't expect my luck to hold out, and I think - because of the situation i found myself in - my best option will be to focus on the teams I have that are pretty much 'done', rather than pre-planning for a team I don't have.
Thanks man, i like both but prefer qingyi’s playstyle. The only reason inwas hesitant is because Jane is hot af but i’ll get her in her rerun
I luv the vid so much, thk you for brought up the analyze and recomendation of choices for the banner, i've been in confuse since the last livestream to chose who to pull for F2P players, this vid really enlighted my thoughts !!
The 2 teams I go about are Ellen (w/signature) and Soukaku (M6,W/maxxed signature). Soldier 11 (M1 from losing Zhu Yuan 50/50, w/signature) and Ben (M6, w/signature). Plus Grace (M1) for whichever team are facing machines that generates shields or someone for Dodge assist.
It's worked out incredibly well so far. In this Shiyu defense run, I easily S ranked 11-15. For 16, I was just short 20s for the S. I'm thinking to build Grace/pivot her weapon a bit more though I'm not sure how much that'll help. Haven't tried 17 but I'm confident to get A as well.
I think the reason my 2 man team works so well compared to my friend who has gone horizontal enough for both mono ice (all of 'em) and fire teams (has them all, bastard even has ZhuYuan) is because of how much the signatures buffs my main DPS's.
There's also the consideration of grinding materials to build those teams so yeah, given enough time, he might outstrip me, but so far, with my unintentionally 'Vertical' 2 man team, I am lacking a Stunner so I might pull for Qing Yi. Tbh, when I learnt why Piper is incredibly good, I was thinking to save for Jane since I have Nekomata so I could reasonable build a Physical team.
I'm a f2p, I swear! My luck ran out on Zhu Yuan's banner .
my hope is i get qingyi and that jane doe ends up in the same faction cuz i'd pull for her just so i can have an anomaly team with them and grace. it sounds fun to be able to have 2 good anomaly chars and a good stun so you can get like 2+ disorders under a buffed stun and just repeat
I decided my mains are Zhu Yuan and Nekomata and unfortunately both of these characters seem to match perfectly with each one so hell yeah
JD is the only one who can fit to each of them. She has the same faction as ZY and same attribute as Nekomata. Plus she has that extra cake on her, make your choice bro
SSJ4 Goku goated
@@gan9620 Thanks for the statement, i literally lose my 50 on QingYi to Nekomata, and i have Zhu Yuan, that means i can put JD in a Ether team / Physical Team
For anyone that pulled Zhu Yuan Qingyi is probably the best choice and will be big upgrade compared to Anby. Anby has very bad Mindscapes. Anyone who has Lycaon can check how big gap is between him and Anby on higher diffculties and Qingyi will be even better than him for Zhu Yuan.
Me with only 10 pulls left: I will take both, thank you.
that break didnt last long haha, glad to see a vid tho
Another great video explaining the 2 new units, but I'm more interested in Qing Yi together with my Zhu Yuan.
I'm also at a loss on which Bangboo to use for that team.
I understand there was another video about Bangboo and picking the faction based ones have more value.
But I cannot see myself keeping Qing Yi in this team especially when there might be other Ether stunners coming out in the future. That being said, it seems like the Ether Bangboo might be a better fit but I need a second opinion on this.
I run Resonaboo with my Zhu Yuan and I like it a lot gives crowd control makes stunning and grouping easy at least with small enemies
I have ellen and rina but I don't have lycaon, should I get qinyi for that team or zhuyuan since there are just so many ether weak enemies everywhere? I'm unsure which one should I get, I'm guaranteed and can get to the pity by the end of zhuyuan banner so it's basically I can pick whoever between them, I'm just so confused
Qingyi for me. Due to weird luck I have only one S-rank stunner, Koleda M2 😂
So a second S-rank stunner is a must-have for me.
Not sure if I should pull for Jane or not. I want to, but I've got the full mono-ice team and a Grace Anton Anby/Koleda team , so Jane seems more useful than Qingyi? Maybe? Or am I letting assets blind me?
i find that nicole is also a really good character to prock anomaly even tho she's only a support. And so i use piper-nicole-nekomata and i prock disorder a lot, and when u give nicole an anomaly mastery main stat, she builds up corruption even faster. So just putting it out there that nicole might be an alternative if u dont have grace
Prock is not an english word
@@andrewang2174 yeah it's an acronym for programmed random occurence
@@mismagia Yeah, without the "K"
@@andrewang2174 ur such a fun person, let's not talk about the game but my grammar, and ur correcting me on something that's to ur understanding, not a word. U must be very nice to hang around in real life bruh
@@TheFGC_Terminator Its a vocabulary issue not grammar, and chill dude, its the internet, was just joking
Real question is what would a grace jane comp look like and what bangboo you gonna bring
Grace/jane/seth (make sure to use his w engine) and the neps bangboo
i think a thing that matters, maybe not as much as the s rank themselves, is the banner in total. like trying to get qingyi while billy and corin are boosted must feel terrible.
I was planning since launch to pull Jane, but now that I've pulled and built Nekomata + Piper, I wonder if it's still worth doing from an efficiency standpoint.
Jane doe is just another Piper. If you already invested a lot in Piper, Jane doe won't give you much progress.
@@stevedoe8622We don’t know Jane’s kit yet so that’s a risky assumption.
@@Zevyne we do. The leaks have been out for weeks now. She's a 5 star Piper
@@stevedoe8622 if she is just a 5-star piper am skipping
@@stevedoe8622by that logic, theres no reason to ever pull for any 5-star characters since theres already 4 star counter parts. why go for zhu yuan when you have nicole? why go for qingyi when you have anby? why jd when piper? etc. i dont think its fair to simply throw any characters under the “theyre just a 5-star __” bus. it really devaluates the characters
I am seriously thinking about skipping this banner(s) jane might be worth it but if Miyabi's or her teammate's Harumasa or Yanagi banner follows after that is going to annoy me a bit...great video your logical assessment has really helped me.
Leaks says Harumasa, Yanagi and Lighter in 1.2. Miyabi, Caesar and Burnice in 1.3. Their roles, elements and rarity are still in question.
@@caesarchwaanshit that's quite the wait but at least that's something.
Just build the usual attack/stunner pairs. They are much easier to play since your main DPS can just go all out when enemies/bosses are stunned.
Where's the fun then
I can't decide between this two tbh. I'm so split
i will go for both these characters
here with a credit card going POR QUE NO LOS DOS
Saying Koleda is a slow stunner is wild
A question, why don't you calculate for the added value that the 4star Seth will be available on on of their banners? It could ad to pull value for some people.
I like that anomaly characters don’t necessarily power creep each other as they work best together
Anomalies with similar elements don't complement each other
@@staywithmeow549 ya I’m mostly referring to future limited characters and I don’t see another phys anomaly coming for a long time. Kinda sucks for piper tho
Good presentation layout and theme. Clear and straight forward explanation. Thanks
You missed 4stars pool from their banner and how they are shine at shiyu defense that enemy weakness will affects more
QingYi is obviously supposed to pair with burst dps atm. I want to get her for her combat but I don't want ZhuYuan, now I have to take a risk on if she will pair well with another burst dps in future and not get power crept by new impact characters to fast (risky only from a value perspective). Jane is a much easier decision especially when Seth is obviously supposed to pair with her and she is a main damage carry so anyone missing a second team this would be a good pick up.
Also QingYi banner A rank agents are yikes :(
@@michaelyang838 u have 2 stunners in standard banner that works and they work with any team idk what ur on about
@@michaelyang838 downplaying a new playstyle for a faster anby is crazy talk. Seeing how you spam about qingyi in the comments, I dont see the point of continuing this lmao
Corin is literally perfect for her, and Billy if you built him to be ult unit he’s awesome, probably highest ult number iirc
@@2fersttwo Currently I do not intend to use A rank as main damage carry, they are fine for any other content but trying to full clear Shiyu 17 with A-Rank agents is just objectively harder than with S-Rank damage carries.
What if I have lycaon and koleda but also have Zhu yuan. Would it still be worth it to get Qinqyi
yes
@laxel1641 Ofc worth it cuz QY gives team buff also very flexible stunner
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I think your point is correct but from leaks I don't think 1.2 characters have anyone that I would be summoning but of course it's leaks so it's not guaranteed. I think I would summon one of them in 1.1 then summon a character from 1.3.
I have all 3 stunners Lucian Koleda and Anby but I don’t use Anby just the other two. So I guess investment wise would it be smarter to go for Jane if I lose the 50/50 to Qingyi
Guys, Piper does insane amount of damage with little investment because she is a anommaly class character. Jane Doe will probably double or triple Piper as a character damage.
Qingyi better, since stun is so valuable imo, nowndont judge me, it's my opinion
Personally I think if anby is your only stun agent qingyi is potentially a very good option for a second stun even tho they are both electric but Jane doe’s banner is definetly much better especially with the A ranks and if she has her bonus activated by any anomaly character disorder could honestly be insane in like a Jane, grace, rina team but as of right now for me I’m not sure what I’m doing for 1.1 even tho my only stun agent is anby
People are saying the new characters pair with attack characters rather than element.
Jane vibe is close to Kafka vibe
What do you mean unknown faction? Jane Doe clearly was with the other NEPS in that promotional video with all the different factions.
I want to pull for them so that I can unlock their affinity resonia in Hollow Zero
This might be a stupid question but how viable do you think a triple Anomaly team with Jane, Piper and Grace? I love Jane's design but I don't want to drop my Piper.
Not too sure on the damage calcs but i think most likely triple anomaly could be strong but only in the future with 3 different elements to spam disorder. Right now piper and jane are both physical which may not be increasing the number of disorders you can proc. You'll probably be getting more team damage slotting in a support like rina or lucy than double physical anomaly. Depends on the team rotation though, so i cant say for sure
@@spruce_wayne5354 Seth is also a direct anomaly buffer so swapping him in for grace or piper would probably be the move
My only stunner is Anby so I really want the premium stunner for Zhu Yuan. I saw Qingyi can activate passive with ANY attack unit (or NEPS), I wonder how they will handle this in the future
My luck has been pretty good so far. I got Ellen in the first 10 pull on the account, but lost her weapon pull, then got ju yuan at pity. Now I’ll be saving for awhile lol
I want Qingyi but I also want 🐀
i going to save for my hatsune monkey king
Invest in cute and funny robot 😭😭😭
it really depends on your acc
at thia point of the game you are lacking premium damage dealers
only ones we have are Ellen and Zhu Yuan, so if you didnt get both then you would prob be lacking dmg
Qingyi can help with that ofc, just not as much as Jane Doe
if you are fine with your dps roster go for Qingyi, if you need a phys dps for nekomata go jane doe
Damn, so my team is Grace Nicole and Anton at the moment, I wanted to get Qingyi cause of her playstyle but its looking like Jane Doe is the better pick? should I roll for Zhu Yuan and try to get Qingyi aswell? BIG SADGE
...I thought it was pretty clear that Jane Doe is in the NEPS faction. From all of the faction line ups, and all of the undercover theming and titles, she's heavily implied to be a spy type for Pub Sec.
any nekomata builds holding down for the future
Jane is the best invASSment for sure.
Lemme guess, Miyabi most likely will be Ice Attack Anomaly by the time her banner drop
The only investment that matters is an investment my both brains are satisfied with
Guys, what do you think about the team consisting of these characters:
Zhu Yuan - Nicole/Rina - Jane Doe
Getting Qingyi for the simple reason that she's easy on the eyes. 😁
Very. 😏
@@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn comrade 🤝
@@dennisvicarth6823 🤝
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Yeah i have a feeling that Qingyi will be replaced very easily in the future (maybe not for ZY team) as soon as they release more stunners. I think Anomaly is going to be the meta after Jane Doe releases. Her kit is completely broken and much more future proof so I am pulling for her and maybe her sig w engine if i get lucky
Hoping Soldier 11, Qingyi, and Lucy works well because I want to keep Anby and Nicole together
Same I need a stunner for my soldier 11 team but I need Anby for my cunning hairs team with neko and nichole
If we combine qing yi with lycaon would that give the enemy +90% dmg multiplier?
I was thinking corin might be hyperbuffed for the stun window if that is the case
i think jane paired with my rina and grace wud be nuts but i already have zyu and ellen so ill go for the stunner
Nahh Jane and Grace plus Seth (def character that buffs anomaly build up) Rina doesn't do much for an anomaly build team.
@@Lowlightt of course rina helps with the pen and electric application bruv
@@Lowlightt while sett does rise up the anomaly proficiency, rina gives pen ratio and eletric buffs, the duration of shock its kinda a big thing if you consider the nature of disorder
I'm F2P and my two main teams are Anby/Nekomata/Nicole and Koleda/Zhu Yuan/Lucy so i'm just gonna wait for Miyabi at this point.
i think hoyoverse is trying new formula's like what they do on genshin you can have a off piece on your artifact i think jane doe will not having a faction even in the future bcoz shes on the villain side and hoyoverse wants us to play more characters even if its villain so she will be villain faction or factionless will be her other resonating team
i think piper will work with jane petty well cause of her kit buffers assalt even of field, so others "assalt" chars will synergize with jane
current teams team 1 Ellan Lycon souk, team 2 Zhu Anby Nicky. Im current going for Nicky m6 after already getting Zhu but only going up to soft pity on my 50/50. My plans for pulling 1.1 whatever i get i used up trying for Qingyi but it a "nice to have" pull for me im not worried if i miss 50/50.
also im currrent intel level 48 so im pre farm stuff i will need for my dps, than i go for drives. Since im not going to beable to get Qingyi im not going to pre farm her mats but i will have a weapon and drive current on anby for her if i get lucky
get both!
You should add to these type of videos which would be a better value based on what you might have pulled. Like JD being better if you have grace and or rina.
If you have Grace then Jane, I would pull Qingyi only if i didn't have any S rank stunners or wanted a really flexible one because attacker condition is one of the easiest.
Why not both🗿👍🏿
Lycoan is enough stun for me at the current stage of the game, going for Jane with the added benefit of more Anby as well.
Jane would probably be very powerful paired with an S rank ice anomaly character and either Lycaon or Soukaku
I have had so much luck in ZZZ that I'm scared
Ellen C2 + weapon in 100 pulls
And a Koleda too
And ZhuYuan C1 + weapon in 50 pulls
And in the permanent
Soldier 11 and the second S rank was her weapon
Gimme the ritual
dammit, compared to me
limited : 160 pull = Lycon + Ellen
stamdar : 140 pull = Lycon + Rina's weapon
pains me. I guess I need to wait 6 month to clear Shiyu Defense
that's insane luck wow
And I felt lucky that I won the 50/50 twice for one copy of Ellen and Zhu Yuan each in 120 limited pulls total. I haven't even tried pulling for limited weapons. I feel like that would just drain all my polychrome and I wouldn't be able to afford the new banner characters
@@tetravisum
Yeah
Oh
On the other hand my luck in WuWa sucks
I have lost every 50/50
I have m1r1 Ellen and Zhu yuan. Thought I would be fine with anby but I find her too clunky to use and easily interrupted in her combo. I think I’ll go for qingyi to solidify my Zhu yuan team and just save for a bit after that.
I'm gambling who I will get on the first 50/50. That's what I did for Ellen and Zhu Yuan since I wanted both. I did get both, but I do not expect to win 3-4 50/50s in a row😅
Here’s my future pulls plan. For reference I have Ellen and Zhu Yuan
PULL Jane Doe - super sick, fun, hot and strong
SKIP Caesar - she seems cool but you can’t pull em all
PULL Burnice - she should be super good with Jane, and cool design
SKIP everyone else until the Virtual Idols come out. I just have a gut feeling the one with two Flails is going to be an ether stunner and that’ll pair so well with Zhu Yuan and Nicole. Plus her design is so cool.
Then bam I have three super solid teams
Ellen, Lycoan, Soukaku
Virtual Idol, Nicole, Zhu Yuan
Burnice, Jane, Seth
Bonus teams:
Grace, Jane, Seth
Burnice, Piper, Lucy
9:34 A Swiss Anby Knife? :3
See I have Koleda and Anby well built. I’m also going to pick lycoan when I get to 300 standard pulls. So I’m unsure whether or not to pick up Qingyi. I play Koleda with zhu yuan and Anby with Ellen right now. Once I get lycoan I’ll have the mono ice team, and I know Qingyi is going to be best in slot for zhu yuan, but do I really need to have 4 stunners on my account this early on? I can’t make up my mind. Plus Qingyi’s weapon is so good I know if I get her I’m going to want her weapon too. So I’m considering just holding and saving for future units, bc I know I’m going to want every new unit that comes out, but I’m a low spender so I simply can’t get every single charavyer
I already got Qingyi so right now my predicament is Qingyi’s weapon or save for Jane
if you have zhu, it'll be Qingyi if you have grace and want to build anomaly then probably jane.
i wasted 20k polichrome trying to get lycaon to have the meta team, yes i know im dumb asf but i havent rlly played smth like this and i was getting an absurd amount of polichromes so now i have 290 on the standart banner and only 4k polichrome left, i dont think ill be able to get any of them
A part of me believes that the mountain lion gang will be a new faction and shes the premier unit.