Polish Lavvu vs USGI Canvas Pup Tent | Bushcraft Bivouac Battle, for Surplus Shelter Supremacy
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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This video is a very detailed comparison between the Polish lavvu surplus shelter and the USGI / USGS canvas pup tent shelter half. There is a detailed breakdown of the key features both good and bad down below. There are links to these products and most of the products from the Lavvu solo overnighter video that i linked to in this video. All of the leather goods were made by myself and my wife Angel Babi and are available on our website or custom order by request.
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USGI Pup Tent vs Polish Lavvu
ROUND ONE
Price USGI =high 150.00= low 35.00= average 65.00
LAVVU = high 140.00 =low 65.00= average 90-100.00
Availability USGI Online or local surplus stores. Unused condition
LAVVU Online International shipping, UK surplus stores. Unused condition
Weight USGI 9.8 lbs
LAVVU 7.2 lbs
Difference lbs 2.6
ROUND TWO
Setup USGI Easy one man setup, snaps together (Link to setup video)
LAVVU Easy one man setup, buttons slower to connect
Space USGI More room for gear and sleeping
LAVVU More head room and only one pole
Protection USGI All seams covered well, no floor, bug protection, open ventilation
LAVVU Potential for leaks at seams, no floor, bug protection, open ventilation
Durability USGI Heavy duty canvas, Heavy stitching
LAVVU Heavy Duty Canvas, Heavy stitching
Alt setup USGI One man lean to setup, requires extra parts and no pole setup
LAVVU One man lean to setup, requires extra parts and no pole setup
Improvised parts Poles from nature or trekking poles
ROUND THREE
Other uses USGI Tarp, sleeping roll
LAVVU Poncho, Tarp, Sleeping roll
Interop USGI Two different types available that are not compatible (buttons and snaps)
LAVVU Three sizes available that are compatible
Modifications Both have a few popular mods that can be researched
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Got my pup tent for 13 dollars! Love this comparison, if I get a lavu I'd like to put in a small portable wood stove
I think I might do an ammo can stove build video for this one. I would like to get it done before winter.
I have both tents and use depends on situation.. I took the pup tent and split the seams on what i call the front shelter half and installed zippers.. This allows tent to be used like a Baker tent ..
I made one of those as well, not happy with the zipper placement so I will probably make another.
Thank you for this detailed review! But when it comes to making a choice, I will have a look at your other videos. When it comes to crossing a mountain range or staying in very cold weather conditions, I need something that suits me all the way around - think weight AND versatility AND ease of use. Again, thank you.
That shoulder cape portion always goes on the inside, as a tent or rain gear. Its purpose is to insulate your shoulders, it's a dry piece of fabric between you, and the wet poncho.
Also I've camped in the palatka in torrential rain, and it's very watertight. The fibers swell and prevent rain getting through. I used mine this past weekend and the outside looked soaked through, but the inside of the fabric was dry to the touch. Pretty cool.
I've got a Russian Plash, an East German one, and the Polish palatka, and the teepee shape is by far the better design, at least for tramping in the woods looking like a Hobbit. 😂😂
Top notch...more on the lavvu for me but you have touched a lot of the topics I have considered
Awesome the Lavvu has a lot of marks in its favor
I’ve only slept in the pup tent, “fun times”, lol. Might have to check out that Lavvu though. I like the wearable aspect for maybe sitting in a deer stand.
Definately gonna try that this year during hunting season.
In Poland, we call it "pałatka", in surplus cost around $15-$20
Man that's a good deal, I orderd mine from a seller in Poland so he put some money in his pocket. Hahah.
@@MakersMovementDIY I checked deeper. We have that poncho-tent in 3 sizes depends of the soldier height. The biggest one, a not-used one may cost even $30.
@@pawel_tips911 30 for one or for a set. Even for one it is a good deal. The size three sets are running in the 200.00 range because they are getting harder to find. It gives about 4 more inches in ground space.
I have used the german pup tent they are great if you can get them with hoods/pouch enough room too carry poles and stakes and packs smaller :)
I'll keep my eyes open for one. Thanks
Had the Lavvu for a year or so. It's a nice tent. I had the largest size. A telescoping paint pole makes a difference for set up.
The downside of the Lavvu is the button closure (zipper mod would be a good idea.).
My big reason for getting rid of it was mostly due not liking the open bottom.
Upgraded to a USGI Tcop tent.
I have a TCOP. I was thinking of doing another comparison video against the French F1.
@@MakersMovementDIY I have the F1 ( I've heard the newer version is an an F2).
Not a bad tent either other than it seems like I always trip over the guy lines.
I just ordered a commercial cabin tent. While I don't mind sleeping in the small tents once in awhile it's nice to be able to stand up and walk out when nature calls at 0 dark thirty instead of having to crawl out.
@@backinthemackcountry2278 yea for sure, I changed out all my guy lines for bright red. On the other note. I'm going to pick up a used Army GP small tent today to replace my wall tent. Sometimes you gotta have some space.
I like my shelter half with a trap flown over top. Lavu looks like the Swiss army knife of military shelters tho. Awesome video!
I go between the two. I havn't really decided which is best for me yet. But I guess I dont have to. I am happy with either one and I have both so, win win.
Your videos are getting better and better all the time. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, I try to keep moving forward
Very well done video....thank you.
My Labor is Da Poo. I love it
I remember a hot summer day on a music festival when I found 5! dogs in my pup tent. I knew not one of them. They just spontaniously formed a pack and invaded because it was the only place offering shade and bearable temps. Everybody else came with a plastic tent and those were more harm than good. the climate under canvas is the only reason to carry the weight and bulk.
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Great video. Gran vídeo. Hecho con ganas y con honor. Gracias desde Alemania.
I ditched my shelter half as soon as they would let me. I hated that heavy thing and preferred my poncho and liner. I would consider the lavvu if I didn't have to hump it very far. Gettin' too old for that crap. BJORN! Take care, brother. S/F
Man, I hated it too, I think I lived in it in the gulf for months of my life. Now it represents something a little different for me. But, I dont want want to hike it very far.
I got both . Have not use the lavvu yet in the woods just some test setups. The pup is heavier but you can do a half, A flaps open , A flap closed and one side porched . Porched is great during the day when light rain just sit under it. Lavvu seems stuffy it might be better for cool fall nights. Half lavvu seems ok. Here one for you i call it my plash-lavvu condo two palakas and lavvu as one . the two lavvu 5 feet apart and one palaka as a wall and the other as a porch. It is bigger the a modded pup with zippers.
That sounds like an awesome setup. I have been running through some options mentally to combine them for a longer more comfortable stay.
I’ve got both, and both are great. I think I prefer the Lavvu, but both are comfortable.
You ain't tough unless you've slept on the ground... GREAT REVIEW!!!
Thank you
When you wear the Polish palatka as a poncho, the "shoulder flap" goes on the INside, just as it does when used as a tent.
I didn't know that, that's good information, thanks
Well im 49 years old and built a 40 call ammo can Stove for My Shelter half tent.... I run My pipe through either end where it snaps and use a couple sticks as spreaders to keep fabric off the pipe. U plan in putting in a stove jack but just haven't yet. ( Too buisy using My tent lol) I would always advise a ground cloth to keep the moisture out of the tent. I do a horseshoe config around My Maxpedition falcon 2. I'm thinking about adding 2 ft. Of Canvas around bottom of tent with more Snaps then adding longer poles! And maybe a window . I know what I want Im still experimenting with Mine... 2 trips this Past winter down in the 20s My mmss took care of that great one or two person ( get out there tent) I plan on buying a Lavuu also .gear video
Man...SOI flashbacks...=)
Great review,on both pros and cons ,
Thank you
Hi! Good video. I like this tent also. Sligh note. In polish we don't have and use that word: lavvu ;-). We speak Polish for it: pałatka (read: p.a.w.a.t.k.a, better check the pronunciation of a word on translator) Lavvu.. is a Sami tent, a kind of tipi, lower tipi, more resistant to strong wind and this is a word from the Sami language (Scandinavian Lapland). Funny journey of words, verbal/naming mess. We (Polish people) made the military raincoat which is called "pałatka" (two are made into a tent), and there is a word for it in English: tipi, tepee but almost everyone calls it: "lavvu" - Sams tent. So the name "polish lavuu" give's U polish sams tipi/tent ;-)
I own 3 shelter halfs with ropes and poles plus a big tarp for a ground sheet. The extra parts are because canvas rots and mice love to eat it. I hope to have one complete tent. I would love to tell you about it but when I used it in the Infantry, I slept hard after a hard days training, I don't remember much. I have no doubt that it works in warm to cool weather, it probably would not work in arctic conditions without mods.
nice video
I want to know how to make a baker out of the USGI shelter half.
I did a version with zippers but I am working on a different one. Hopefully ill be able to get those mods out this summer.
Just a point of order 2:39 in. It might be harder to find but I’m guessing that there are a lot more surplus US shelter halves available someplace in Europe than there are Polish surplus here in the US. The US army has had HUGE occupying forces in Europe since the 40s and shared military equipment with all sorts of NATO allies , not a lot of Polish regiments in the New World
Indeed, the Dutch army used the same pup tent design. So they are very easy to obtain nowadays.
I have both and each has it’s good and bad things about it. The pup has heavyweight stakes and tie down ropes. I would trust it in heavy winds more so than the Lavuu. The Lavuu is lighter and can be used as a poncho. It’s taller than the pup also. However, I’m 6’ 2” and fit better inside the pup than the Lavuu. My Lavuu is a number two so really you can’t fit two men in it comfortably where as the pup you can. I love both and have modded the pup by installing a fly that zips closed. I own two of each tent wit one each left stock and one each modified.
The jury is still out on which one i prefer but i believe that you cant go wrong with either one. Still leaning toward the LAAVU though. Probably because It didn't use it as a issue piece of kit so it is new and different to me.
Does the Lavvu not have guy line loops on the sides?
No Bundeswehr canvas pup tent? Personally I am keeping my Polish lavvu, but when I got my complete kit it was $35 CAD. I love the single pole set up and ease of maintenance, not that it is really required.
the BW pup tent is pretty much the same but too short and narrow in comparison. Even a size 1 Polish tent offers more... But if you want the Flecktarn, it's what you have to deal with^^ I would recommend to buy one more shelter half and making the whole thing longer. From my own experience and I am not very tall.
Nice! Actually I tot the Polish Lavvu flap are supposed to be inside (as poncho) to protect against rubbing the shoulders which causes it to loose its waterproofing
You may be right, but I have heard it both ways for the tent and the poncho uses. There really isn't a good source of information on it. But what you say makes sense.
In an apples-to-apples comparison, price and availability are most important unless one apple is materially superior. Not the case here although I dig the Lavvu's rain poncho capability and value versatility in things and people. Will have to watch this a couple more times to decide. What's your hat's arrowed logo mean? Simple plastic tarp as ground cover?
So I’m eyeballing things And I’m wondering if there is a way to fit a Lavuu onto the end of a US pup tent ... it feels like you could merge the two together into a canvas igloo. Not sure how that would handle or what advantages that would be but it would be a tent with a great lay down and sit up areas. I double you could sleep 4 in this configuration but you could sleep Three quite comfortably
I have wondered that myself off and on.. never got around to trying it.. That is an interesting visual. Might be a bear to setup but once its dialed in it would be amazing. I will definatly try it in the spring when everything dries out a bit here.
@@MakersMovementDIY with my kit instead of the issue poles that come with the pup tent we use half length rods with either a threaded nut or rod welded into the end. It’s much more light weight and it means additional rods can be added above the pup tent to the end poles for rain covers or to provide added tension to the support system. Additionally that threaded nut in the bottom means one can fashion a base of some sort for soggy or snowy conditions . Just a couple strips of flat aluminum and a short bold and your poles won’t be sinking into the ground when you tighten your tents stakes and guy lines
@@MrSheckstr for the pup tent, expandable hiking poles work great, I actually prefer them over the origional poles.
Both are great but the lavvu is the top all the time to everytime.
Lavvu wins for style, but the difficulty of procurement in the US is a huge con. I made a baker style modification to my USGI pup tent, of course, that takes the weight up even higher.
Procurement isn't too bad. I ordered mine online and had hassle getting it. But I think they are getting a liitle more scare as they get more popular. And yea, gotta love the style.
You're wearing the polish poncho inside out.
Yea I have heard that. Interesting.
you set up your lavvu INSIDEOUT.
it has a rain cape.
rain capes are for the outside of the poncho.
the way you set it up is similar to setting up an american poncho shelter But with the hood hanging down on the inside.
99% of youtubers set up their lavvu wrong so your not alone and probably watch a Lot of videos with bad information.
For everytime I hear it one way, someone says the other way. There are no instructions so its anyone's best guess. I set it up this way because the flaps on the pockets are on the outside to repel water. If I flip it they are on the inside allowing rain in. Logic takes the drivers seat on this one.
i personaly would never take my outermost layer which would possably be wet, and then turn it inside out to sleep under.
that makes no sence to me.
but to each their own.
I think he means you wore it as a poncho inside out
new Subscriber dude LAVVU i have a size 3 i got the full kit for £50 pounds
Awesome. Thats a great price.
@@MakersMovementDIY its the uk :) just ordered a wood stove for so cant wait for that :) good videos dude
@@josht.m9697 A wood stove would be awesome.
Both systems comprehensively beaten by the German Zeltbhan system.
Transport to USA is expensive. Palatka it self is about $100 and cost of sending it to US another $50
Mine was mailed to US from Poland and I was only charged 7.00 for shipping
Hey man what happened to the podcast?
Its still going. Just needed to take a short break and refit. Figuring out the mechanics of having remote guests. Keeping the podcast video part on pause for a while to get a few more things figured out.