Why didn't Jamaica join Canada? (Short Animated Documentary)
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2022
- Jamaica (and much of the Caribbean) were offered numerous chances to join Canada. As you'll know, none of them did. So why not? Why did Jamaica turn down the opportunity to be a Canadian Province? It's because they were sick of other people telling them what to do.
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As a Canadian, it always disappoints me to hear about our lack of Caribbean empire. Why must we be cursed to this frozen hell?
Honestly though. It would make such a nice vacation destination lol
Should have stayed in Europe then
Look on the bright side: it's rapidly becoming a MELTING hell.
@@god-0f-war Then who would be in North America to civilize the Natives?
@@god-0f-war Bro Europe isn't that much warmer lol. Sure the southern countries often are, but there's a lot of variation, and the median temp is close to Canada's iIrc
I'm a born Jamaican who moved to Canada 3 months ago. This was never taught in Jamaican schools so I'm glad I have this new perspective on our history.
Same for me and I was born in Canada lol
I hope you’re enjoying my country. In which province are you? I’m in PEI.
@@CanadianMonarchist I live in Toronto, Ontario, and yes I'm enjoying your country. The winters do suck though.😂
@@elitegamer7414 I won’t argue with there. Be sure to come visit PEI sometime; I think August is the nicest time of year to visit.
@@elitegamer7414 I love Jamaicans, welcome to Canada. Too bad you guys tend to move to Toronto though, there’s much better areas 😂
The sheer revenue from Canadian snow birds heading to the islands every winter would have been *HUGE!*
Instead of living in Yuma or Mesa, AZ they would skip us an go the Caribbean. I like it! I live in Mesa and during the winter a bunch of Alberta and BC license plates appear and drive really slowly.
@@xxxBradTxxx I read this comment as an albertan driving to the airport to fly to Phoenix AZ lmao
@@es0x It's okay to speed on the freeways here, just don't do 15 mph over unless everyone else is doing it.
Also the 24 is now connected to Queen Creek at Single Butte and at Ironwood. So if you want to go to the Olive Mill it's a lot quicker now.
And the money would stay in the country. Win-win for all.
Let's be honest, it's more likely that the afro-carribeans would have just had their homes gentrified by white Canadians and forced off the islands are into marginalized communities. So I'm not sure if they were wrong to refuse unification 😅
I remember my parents talking about this. They were all for the islands joining Canada, they thought it would be great to have a tropical region that we didn't need a passport to get to or to exchange our currency. All our snowbirds could remain in Canada and enjoy those benefits while boosting the local and federal economy. Shame it never happened.
I thought Belize would have been the best one.
As a Jamaican, this aspect of our history was not taught in schools even when discussing the topic of the West Indies Federation. This is really enlightening to see.
This was never a serious or mainstream "proposal" so that's why it's not taught.
@Sebastien Friolet *would've** not of.
@@JJMcCullough That makes a lot more sense than people finding the idea not worth discussing despite speculation being fun. Glad to see you pop up on a canadian history video.
Nor, was it taught in Canadian schools. We're only aware of the Turks and Caicos saga.
Breaking up the federation was the dumbest thing Jamaica ever did, coming from a Jamaican
As a Canadian having Caribbean territories would’ve been awesome but just imagine the the extra islands we’ll have to colour on our social studies homework.
Not to mention the islands would be too small to colour in neatly.
Literally was thinking the same thing
just mark the paper with a colour dot and you are done.
no thanks, we dont need anymore blacks
Nunavut was always a pain in the ass
As a Jamaicac Canadian this was truly enlightening to see the history of where Jamaica stood in the world and what could've been.
Your not a true Jamaican. You're not even talking about the slaves that fought and died for our Freedom. Just Delete your Comment...Selfish
As a Trinidadian we we're never taught in Caribbean history class that joining Canada was an option. We were taught that the Brits formed the Federation of the West Indies with its 11 Caribbean territories and after Jamaica departed for individual independence Trinidad followed and the Federation collapsed.
Mainly because it didnt happen... so why talk about "what ifs", if you're going to talk about all the "what if" scenarios, there would be thousands across history
"10 minus 1 equals zero"
@@ShengYu1995 Nah, it is not about "what if," but the point is talking/teaching about what happened: The history class failed to mention that what politicians actually said/discussed, which was the possibility of joining. It's important to know what and how people thought historically.
There are plenty of what if scenarios and political conversations or ideas that never happened in reference to wwi and wwii alone but it is still important to learn about how decisions were made or fell through
There's so much hidden history
Canada owning the Caribbean is almost like Denmark owning Greenland... But everything is the opposite
Or Denmark owning the Caribbean which they did
@@ReuvenGoldstein1 they owned just a couple islands
@@ReuvenGoldstein1 i searched it up and didn't know the used to own some island in the carrabean, Thank you
@@REEEPROGRAM US Virgin islands used to be the Danish Virgin islands.
@@ReuvenGoldstein1 Denmark must pay reparations
As a Canadian citizen born in Belize in 1988 to a Canadian mother with older siblings born in British Honduras, this was even more interesting than I expected.
It slightly glosses over Belize fraught relationship with Guatemala but he's only got 4 minutes.
its like this video was made for you
You old, dude!
As a Guatemalan that knows English i think you meant *NorthEastern Guatemala* Belize never was real.
@@AGamerthatregretsalot Chalk that one up to british colonialism I guess, I never learned the history of the region. To be fair, I grew up in Canada and my parents are old school mennonites or, in other words, minimally schooled mennonites. My mom grew up in Canada but her parents wouldn't let her go past grade 6 because she's a girl and we don't really learn about that here. My dad grew up in a Mexican mennonite colony and they went up to grade four for boys. I don't know if the girls were even allowed in school there. Mexican mennonites didn't really value education beyond learning to read and write and memorizing mathematical tables. Thanks for the history lesson, I'd be interested to hear more about it.
I am a citizen of the Commonwealth of Dominica, I think if my country be a part of Canada at that time, the development of the Island of a Dominica will be unbelievable fantastic, unfortunately, it didn't happen.
Ultra IMAX 4DX for sure and a Tim Hortons on every corner
Greetings from Canada! I spent a winter in Roseau in the early 90s. Loved Trafalgar falls and the Botanical Gardens. Eating fresh mangoes and coconuts where you just can't get the same level of flavor here. Then again, the imported US apples in the market were absolutely terrible, so I feel sorry for anyone who grew up there thinking that's what they are supposed to taste like.
So this was fascinating especially cause as a Jamaican my personal experience has been lots of friends and family just traveling/immigrating to Canada before coming back after having made their way in the world.
As a Belizean I had no idea that we wanted to join Canada. It was never taught in our schools.
What if you did?
You have schools?
@@MasterMalrubius lmao
@@MasterMalrubius lol
@@MasterMalrubius yes, are they good, not that much
As a Jamaican, I had no knowledge of this ever being discussed or brought forward . History back then mostly focused on American and Russian (USSR) political influence and dominance in the island.
Iirc Canada is never brought up. The west indian federation is 4th and 5th form
I as a Canadian had absolutely no idea about any of this 😬
I thought it was Cuba instead of Russia, cause Proximity
That's the beauty of the internet. Way more info available than just our own country's propaganda.
@@wordsmith451 Please don't
It always amazes me how much info this channel packs into a few minutes.
Been to most of these Caribbean countries and I'd think the one big loss for the locals is a bigger quality of life picture. I think if they joined and had a larger economical benefactor the lives of locals with services could have improved greatly, and we would see less shanty towns on the islands. Some of the nicest people I've met, they would fit right in.
And what makes those shanty towns any better than the homeless addicts all over Canada and the United States? The majority of those shanty town residents are not drug addicted with no hope: but, they are poor people born in their circumstances with a lot of talent and hope of progress. Don’t be a biased ass.😠
Joined? Nothing stopping them from making one of their own... why must they attach themselves to an existing success?
Because it’s such a small island under ruling of another
@@tehjamerz When Comoros gained independence from France, one island, Mayotte, voted to remain with France. It became an integral part of France. Soon, Comoros was way behind Mayotte in living standard and income, despite being in the same geographical location, same people living there. Now, illegal immigration from Comoros to Mayotte is one the biggest political issues in Mayotte, who now vote Marine Le Pen's party due to its anti illegal immigration stance. There is so much illegal immigration in Mayotte that 70% of the babies born in Mayotte are born to illegal immigrants from Comoros. Being attached to a larger prosperous nation is much more beneficial for the economy as one of the important purposes of taxation is to move wealth from high income to low income (whether its people or regions). Even though Mayotte is a drain on France economically, Mayotte in itself enjoys a much prosperous living standard due to being part of France. In any country, most economic activity is generated in a few large cities, but other areas of the country get developed too. France in return gets strategic territory in the Indian ocean.
@@tehjamerz yeah, why can't they just build their small island nation with limited natural resources into one of the 7 biggest economies on the planet? It so easy!
The answers to questions I've never even thought about, well done!
History Matters in a nutshell
Canadian here. Keep in mind that The Turks and Caicos Islands and Canada STILL have the occasional rare talk of them becoming part of Canada. The last mention was a few years ago and decades ago Nova Scotia's provincial Parliament passed a bill allowing the Turks and Caicos to skip a few steps by becoming a part of the province.
It almost happened in 1982 I think. Very close.
I think they would do it if it ever got desperate enough. But they have a lot of options before surrendering its independence. Countries are always hesitant in allow itself to be annexed by another country, even if it makes perfectly logical sense to do so. This is because once a country gives up its independence to become a part of another country, it is almost impossible to regain that independence in the future.
Texas learned this the hard way. Despite having only been in the Union since 1846, Lincoln did not hesitate to denounce its secession a mere 15 years later as illegal. It did not matter if by 1865 Texas had spent 14 of its 29 years of existence as an entity separate from the United States. To Lincoln and the rest of the Union, Texas was as integral to the United States as the rest of the South, and as such would not hesitate to order its occupation (though that never came during the war as Texas and Florida were able to avoid having their capitals occupied until after Lee's surrender).
To Lincoln and the North, the moment the Republic of Texas agreed to its annexation was the moment it lost any claim to independence.
@@Kaiserboo18719 that wasn't the point. The Union viewed Texas as a part of the Confederacy and viewed the Confederacy as a rebellion state. It's not like Texas would then leave the Confederacy if the South won
@@Canada1994 So you think that after Texas seceded from the Union but then refused to join the Confederacy that the United States would respect that decision to become an independent Republic of Texas once again?
@@Kaiserboo18719 maybe or maybe they would negotiate concessions to have them rejoin or they may join of their own free will with the threat of Mexico. They could be another slave state that stayed in the Union like the border states. But keep in mind if it wasn't for the need for balance in Washington between free and slave states the US would've admitted Texas into the Union as soon as they got their independence from Mexico. The Texas uprising was really like the California Bear Republic uprising. A local declaration of independence but with the eventual goal of joining the US.
Why didn't Jamaica join Canada?
This channel asks questions that nobody, NOBODY, ask!
It's fantastic and we love you for it.
I saw someone say something like that on "How did the Orthodox Church view the Reformation?"
Wow! Thank you for this video. I love learning new information that was completely unbeknownst to me.
As a Jamaican, having access to Canada's Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve would have been nice.
We'll share.😀
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus thank you
Then you have to give your children sex charges though
Do Jamaicans eat a lot of pancakes?
@@J.i.M.9604 Just start charging a "Syrup Levy" on Canadian tourists. One bottle required at point of entry.
With the number of Canadians who head south every winter, it would make a lot of sense for Canada to try to own some tropical territory in order to try to mitigate that outflow of cash. If Canada had a Caribbean island then it likely would attract a lot of the Canadians that already head south ever year since Canadian travelers wouldn't have to worry about healthcare costs if they get hurt or sick, they wont need a passport, they would use Canadian dollars which would make the destination resilient to changes in currency values, and they can use their normal phone plan without worrying about roaming fees. There would also be benefits to the island nation as it would likely receive a lot of initial investment to bring in up to Canadian standards in terms of healthcare and infrastructure, and then long term also would see a boost in their tourism industry.
Pssssssst. Canadian provinces all have separate health care systems, and won't automatically cover people from other provinces.
If you're traveling inter-provincially within Canada, you should still be getting traveller's health insurance like you would if you were traveling internationally, because you are not guaranteed "free" health care outside your home province.
If you're lucky, your home province will repay the other province for your costs, but they might not.
Yup, many Jamaican's migrate to Canada for better job opportunities any way so it would be a match made in heaven especially if we got some guaranteed support and investment.
@@gungan5822 This is incorrect. They do cover people from other provinces. It's one of the stipulations of the Canada Health Act of 1983 -- portability. If you're from outside Ontario, you can just walk in and get treated in Ontario even if you don't have an Ontario Health Card/aren't a part of OHIP. Every province/territory in Canada will accept the health card/insurance of every other province/territory.
@@BigMikeMcBastard When I was a student in Montreal I continued to use my OHIP card until I became a permanent resident of Quebec.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Then explain why people have been turned down.
I like these videos; it's not overly idiosyncratic, but still interesting. And brief, but concise.
Huh as a Canadian I had no idea and don’t recall this ever being covered in school.
Would have been pretty cool to have some tropical provinces as part of Canada. Although logistically I can see why something like this wouldn’t happen.
Mainly because it didnt happen... so why talk about "what ifs", if you're going to talk about all the "what if" scenarios, there would be thousands across history
Logistics? We have people living on Ellesmere Island nearly 1200 km north of the Arctic Circle.
@@ShengYu1995 It's fun and helps us learn :)
Imagine a reality where you could technically drive across the border of Honduras or Guatemala to a Canadian province? It sounds more outlandish then Canada annexing the Turk and Caicos Island or Jamaica.
Belize would be like Canada’s Alaska
Belize would be like Canada’s Alaska
It kind of exists in the form of Brazil and France.
@@pocketmarcy6990 Or Canada would be Belize's Alaska.
Loads of people would be claiming asylum in Honduras... Whack.
Lol I genuinely went: wha?
Same here
Heh
ditto
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Imagine If the caribbean islands were to have actually joined Canada, would be such a strange world, a place known for snow and being large, owning some Caribbean island know for the heat and being small, definetely a strange world
Given how much Canadians love to vacation in the Caribbean (Cuba, Dominican, Mexico and to a lesser degree Jamaica are very popular with Canadians) and how convenient it would be to travel there without a passport, travel insurance and currency exchange... well, that Caribbean location would have a built-in tourist population. I believe Nova Scotia has already legislated that they are willing to accept the Turks and Caicos as part of their province (to simplify the constitutional issues and help them get their infrastructure up to Canadian standards) should they ever join Canada. Most polls have for decades shown that Canadians like the idea of having a Caribbean island join the country as a new province, territory or as part of an Atlantic province (probably NS). It's just that it's not a big priority for anyone.
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Canada already is one of the largest countries with a relatively small population for its size.
Tbf it's not that much wierder than britain given that it just rains here
So,USA...
As a member of both these nations I was taught this by my father
I'm glad Jamaica kept their independence
Ya they’ve really done well for themselves lol
@@chrisbell6490 lol ok canada economy is dying
Enjoy paying 800k for a townhouse
That you will never pay of.
The mass influx of immigrants who are also leaving because Canada just taxes you and leave leaves little room for up word mobility.
And now there is legal assistance in suicide.
But you want to throw shade at Jamaica?
Lol your definitely deserve to be the frozen hell that is Canada in the 21st century
🤡
@@chrisbell6490 they are growing now :D
@@chrisbell6490
I think Jamaica thought,
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul (and have his fantastic independent culture watered down to nothing)
@@chrisbell6490 We much rather be a poor independent country than to be a white man’s colony.
I love ❤️ that last clip!!! Good going!!! Timing is everything and Canada missed out on having tropical 🥒🍹🦈🐬🐠🐟🐙 provinces!!! It would be interesting to have taken place and how Canada would have managed this relationship with far away islands 🏝️🏖️.
As a Jamaican, I had no idea that there was a possibility that we would be a province of Canada. Reality is really stranger than fiction.
Edit: My God, the Internet's denizens will find any reason to fight each other on some shitty website for no fucking reason.
Jamaica would be better off run by more competent administration in Canada
as a canadian i can agree
The Mary Jane would be EPIC!
@@millevenon5853 I don't think so.
Cool Runnings would be quite different
Something overlooked in this video is that adding another province means facing the quagmire of the Constitution Act of 1982 and how Quebec has never formally approved it. On many levels it's easier to let that sleeping dog lie than it is to bring in the Turks and Caicos as another province, which would necessarily mean trying to get Quebec to sign off on the whole thing again since it has the potential to reignite long standing political issues.
If they became a part of a preexisting province they could get around that. (Nova Scotia has brought this up at some point.)
Giggity Constitution
Sooo... Why doesnt Quebec just approve it then?
@@pimcramer2569 The threat of separating from Canada is leverage for Québec. Signing the constitution act would take a lot of sting out of the threat.
@@pimcramer2569 Centuries of being oppressed by a combination of the Roman Catholic Church and the British Crown. Both of those have serious cultural influence in the Rest Of Canada, which is known as the ROC (not to be confused with the Republic of China lmao). Also, Quebec has been the site of the Anglophone-dominated government's suppression of civil dissidence. Also also, there's been a large social movement for secession from the ROC which nearly succeeded a couple times (thanks Charles de Gaulle). This is what it boils down to, but it's an oversimplification. Yeah, Canada's a fucked up place that has no right to exist.
I am a lifelong Canadian and I remember talk about the Turks and Caicos Islands joining us back in the 70s. It's a long time ago now so my memory may be inaccurate on some of the details but I remember a lot of enthusiasm for the idea initially at the thought of having a place in the tropics where Canadians could go to get some respite from the winters. If I recall correctly though, we gradually learned that the Turks and Caicos Islands were not keen on having Canadians buying land there and living there in large numbers. I suppose they wanted the trading advantages but didn't want to have to deal with a lot of (former) foreigners buying their land, changing their culture, etc.
Bingo!
Not to dissimilar to Prince Edward Island which iirc has real estate ownership restrictions as well.
Yeah, many of us Americans would prefer NOT to have millions of people coming to our country changing our culture either. However, our rich elites need the slave labor so our borders are open. I suspect much the same would happen in Turks and Caicos, except the natives would be priced off of their land.
Simple don't sell
Yes I remember the talks about the Turks & Caicos thinking about joining and becoming a part of Canada but I always wondered why, but I never, ever heard any stories ever about Jamaica trying to become a part of Canada. If you look at the Turks & Caicos on the map the islands are small and tiny and are right at the south tail end of the Bahama Islands and are indistinguishable from the other small islands. Why is Turks & Caicos still separate from the rest of the Bahamas even politically. Why didn't these small islands just become a part of the rest of the Bahamas.
Amazing info!! I am Jamaican living in Canada and my children are born Canadian. This is insightful information that I can teach them. Thank you because they don't teach this in Canadian schools!
Turks and Caicos debate still pops up sometimes. I think most recently the idea was to include it as part of the province of Nova Scotia. But just as randomly as it pops up it fades away again, because people are more concerned (justifiably) about other issues within Canada
Yeah right, because the government can only do one at a time.
Normally, this would be sarcasm, but Justin Trudeau is Prime Minister.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me I don't think its even been brought up while Trudeau has been PM. It did come up in the early 2000's under Harper. One of his cabinet minister's brought it up again and then it went away as quickly as he brought it up. I mean, if Turk and Caicos are for it, not sure why we aren't. As others have said, it would stop the flow of money to the USA, Mexico and other island countries if Canadians could just vacation in their own tropical province. Imagine flying, no passport needed and using our money.
@@thecheesecakeman Why not? Because (under the NS idea) the locals would have no say over how tourism is regulated, no say in how taxes and budgets are handled, no say over when and how development occurs in a part of the country that would never be prioritised, no affordable transportation to the mainland, etc. The list goes on. but most importantly for you, all that built up resentment T&C locals would have towards the federal and provincial governments would be taken out on mainland tourists.
As a Canadian, I had no idea there was a possibility of Jamaica joining Canada
Because there wasn't. Turks & Caicos and Belize are the only countries that actually had any possibility. The others weren't even a consideration by anyone.
@@realtalk6195 didn't u watch the video?? Jamaica and the other islands rejected the offer and chose to become independent from Britain. It's the other way around, it was jamaica and the other islands that chose not to become apart of canada
@@recodon577 The islands didn't *just* reject it on their own. Canada didn't want them either. In the case of T&C there was actually some Canadian politicians calling for it. And in the case of Belize, it was politicians in Belize calling for it. The other islands were never a serious consideration.
we couldnt defend them as we cant defend ourselves , jesus christ, North Korea could invade us and we would have to surrender !
It could have been, but Prime Minister Borden said no.
As a Canadian, this was what we would have dreamed of, having a place in the sun during long winters that was part of us. It never made sense that we didn't combine, I would even up the ante and get Scotland to join us too ...
That would be interesting for sure. As a Scot I'd love to visit many places in Canada (actually have long lost relatives in BC who used to send my granny copies of Beautiful British Columbia magazine)
Yeah America got Hawai and ao many islands, Canada nothing but cold
Great work as always, can I request a video? Slightly obscure but nonetheless interesting in terms of Habsburg power in Europe, a video on how the Duke of Bavaria became the first non-Habsburg HRE for 300 years in 1742?
"Failed to have its own Hawaii" was what was on my mind throughout the entire video, haha! Cheers from Toronto 🍁
Well, hopefully without all the terrible things that happened to native Hawaiians (but probably not ☹️.)
As a Trinidadian, I wanna say thank you so much for making this fantastic video, and highlighting the history of our beautiful region even more!
What about the other one?
i never noticed how close trinidad y tobago was to brazil.
@@xy5844 oh yeah! Pretty close indeed :)
Actually, planes from Brazil often fly over Trinidad on their way to Orlando.
@@xy5844 its even close to venezuela u can see venezuela from trinidad on clear days
this video doesn't talk about trinidad.
Thanks a lot Robert Borden - we’re freezing our assess off up here because of you!
We should tell the Bank of Canada to take him off the $100 bill and put on Frederick Banting.
Fascinating! Thanks!
As a Canadian, I always thought Bermuda would make sense as part of Canada. It’s not so geographically removed as the rest of the Caribbean, so it’d be easier to administer as part of Canada. It’s also itself kind of removed from the Caribbean, so much so that it was historically part of the 13 Colonies, being administered as part of the Colony of Virginia, so it doesn’t make sense as part of any Caribbean nation. That said, it’s small population means it could only really exist as part of a larger state, hence why it’s still a British oversea territory.
Bermuda also had a Canadian Navy detachment that started in WWII up to its closing in the end of the Cold War. Some Canadian and Newfoundland & Labrador units were brought into the defense of Bermuda while the British were stretched thin with forces.
I have only ever attended Virginia schools and didn't know this.
Had they joined Canada, they would have won the most gold medal in winter Olympics, especially in bobsled
The master of two seasonal sports games
And weed would have been completely legal by now
@@AgentDanielCross I can picture the new Jamaicanadian flag now.
@@AgentDanielCross Weed is legal in Canada. Has been for a while. Not in Jamaica strangely.
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus exactly what i mean.
Born in Saint Lucia 🇱🇨 and moved to Canada 🇨🇦. I am very well aware of this history. Although i like the idea of never being part of Canada, what upsets me is those power hungry politicians didn't want to stay united as the Federation of the West Indies only to get Individual islands independent.
Alot of us Caribbean people feel connected to each other but only Separated by water. The Federation would of had a big impact on the region if it was alive today.
🇱🇨 always nice to see another Saint Lucian
Did not know this. Fascinating!
If it’s any consolation to my Canadian friends, you did host the first ever Jamaican bobsled team
As a Canadian this bit of history always interested me.
There are actually still some in both Turks and Caicos and Canada who want to see it added as the 11th province or fourth territory.
LETS TAKE IT
It will never happen. Canada prides itself on democracy and Turks and Caicos has been, well, less than democratic recently. I don't think it would happen anytime soon
@@CanadaBeef Nonsense, we don't pride ourselves on democracy lol.
The islands already have full autonomy as an overseas territory so there’s no point in altering which country they are tied to
@@CanadaBeef Lmao Canada doesn’t pride itself in democracy at all.
Wow I'm Belizean and I didn't know about this thank you man
As a Jamaican-Canadian, all I can say is thanks to British Imperialism, the history connects us all. I still wish that all or perhaps some of the Caribbean Islands were taken over as Canadian territories, but we still have our chance to take Cayman, Monserat, and Turks and Caicous.
Feel bad for all the indigenous Jamaicans the British anhiliated in order to make room for your ancestors, though.
@@jeanbethencourt1506 No black Jamaican would thank British for atrocities created against our ancestors. Jamaica doesn't only have black people, and the native Jamaican blood runs through black Jamaicans. They were bred out, not completely annihilated. How do you think Jerk was created and passed down in Jamaica?
This is the craziest comment I've ever read
"The point is guys, just be angry. All the time. Don’t even bother reading up about those dope Caribbean islands that we could get from Britain. Who needs sun and golden beaches when you have access to Nanavut."
😂
These newspaper articles you put in are absolute gems! They deserve more screentime🤓
Hell Nunavut didn't even exist yet and it's still a joke
"They deserve more screentime🤓" 🤓 the whole point of such jokes is that it is for fans to pause and read
*trade pact *WORST THING IN THE HISTORY OF, LIKE, EVER*
Literally in 13 billion years''
😂😂😂😂
@Mary Antonio Huh? I don’t get it😄 Are you Canadian? Do you long for warm beaches? 😄
@@sudhanvakashyap297 But lots probably don’t, and that’s a shame😬
Lmao I love History Matters "Why didn't Jamaica join Canada?" Consistently funny content from one of the best history UA-cam channels out there
Edit: Once again, HM proves its quality in another video. This one was really interesting, teaching me a bunch about the British in the Western Hemisphere that I hadn't heard about before, which is great!
This is real
This reads straight from some bot template
Am real human person
@@Stilluetto yes
I think Jabzy has got him beat though. Recently anyway
Ever since the Ten Minute History episodes stopped and it's just the short ones.
I enjoy these videos, and I appreciate the jokes in the newspapers.
Talks of some former British Caribbean Colonies joining Canada are still on going to this day largely many of the Island Countries (including some motions in Jamaica) and Turks and Caicos is at the top of the heap, in 2017 or 2018 it regained a lot of momentum as a popular topic, but since COVID fizzled out again.
interesting how serious are thoes talks
Canadian Caribbean islands would be interesting. I would imagine it would have economically helped those nations with passport free tourists, access to Canadian universities, and a large (relatively weathly) retirement population of Canadians heading to the islands instead of Florida. Belize would be what Panama/Costa Rica is turning itself into welcome expats.
No offence, but it's one of those things I feel one way or another the USA would ruin.
Much like Russia; they tend to get 'upset' when they feel surrounded, whether the threat is valid or not.
@@anasevi9456 the US wouldn't care lol
Canada is friendly and not a threat in the slightest
Interesting, yes... But solely for the Caribbean population who would essentially receive huge subsidies to upgrade their infrastructures, and have access to ours. The benefits I receive in exchange for an astronomical average tax rate are already piss poor, so financing some random ass country thousands of miles away would be nothing but a huge "fuck you".
@@FF-ct5dr Canada and the Caribbean are still in the same hemisphere 🥴
@@MrCrazyeyes07 Fair point that but that doesn't invalidate much, does it?
As a Canadian, I had no idea this was even a question put forward
My grandma did told me about the Turks and Caicos one tbh
@@guillaumegiroux9425 It's actually something that gets drug out every few years, a politician mentions it, the news goes a little overboard with it and then we all forget about it again.
@@Laflamme78 I actually do want it, I want to be able to rent a place in the sun while I work from home and, heck, even use a bit of my constitutional rights to send my kid to a french-language school :P
I love these videos but damn do they make me wish youtube had something between .75x and 1x
Nice inside humor in the newspaper graphic
As a Belizean I thank you for making this obscure bit of Caribbean history more well-known to the world, but to be honest I cringed every time you only said Honduras without adding 'British ' in front.
It might seem like nit picking but realistically Honduras is a totally different country. Also, there's another potential video "Why was Belize the last mainland territory of the UK in the Western Hemisphere ?"
Belize would be like Canada's alaska
ayyy belize gang
BELIZE 🇧🇿 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Cringed everytime? He said Honduras once, and calls it British Honduras all the other times.
@horriblepancake True. But it's the little details that make the difference.
What an opportunity missed for us Canadians... a Caribbean territory of our own; and one which wanted to join with us! We need to try again!
No thanks.
Nah only cold and suffering for you
@@locomotivesteam9334 Well no, not exactly. Just lots and lots of winter vacation money NOT spent in Canada.
@@hughjass1044 Well ngl i really dont see why you guys would want Jamaica, i mean Jamaica is poor and corrupt and crime is rising there as well, when you think about it the cost don't outweigh the benefits, idk about the other carribean countries but i wouldn't own want to own Jamaica, It would cost Canada so much money to get it to up to standard.
@@locomotivesteam9334 Oh, I agree completely about Jamaica. I'm talking about The Turks & Caicos.
I’ve heard the Grand Turcs are still vaguely a maybe? There were noises about it again a few years back?
Very interesting. Can you talk about George Washington Gillespie would be interesting to see what you find.
I'm pretty sure Jamaicans wouldn't mind, many of us migrate to find work in Canada or America anyways so being able to streamline the process would've been lovely.
The black population on the island would've been screwed . They would've been barred from many hotels ,businesses and unions and only exploited for cheap labour with little representation. This was still the 60's y'know.
And here I thought Jamaicans had self respect.
Yeah why wouldn’t a completely separate independent nation not want to be a second class territory for Canadians to vacation at?
The problem is Canada has to deal with Jamaica's problems and spend the money to bring the island up to Canadian standards.
@@MrAnonymousRandom you think white Canadian would've standby and watch as their government spend billions of tax revenue to improve a black country ?Whichever ministers who think that's a good idea would been canned.
I'm from Belize (Previously British Honduras) and I'm so happy hearing the name of my country and a bit about it come out of History Matter's mouth, and damn I didn't know any stuff about the Canada thing tbh. Also I think that the guy holding the sign in 2:14 is supposed to be George Price, aka Father of the Nation
It's amazing how accurate their portraits are with just a few lines. In the one on why New Zealand decided not to join the Australian federation, I recognised early prime ministers Edmund Barton, Alfred Deakin and George Reid, and the flags of New South Wales and Queensland.
@@Elitist20 Lol yea, tbh I recognized George Price because of the glasses, if it didn't have the glasses then I'd prob have a harder time recognizing it. The younger George Price wore glasses a lot but pics of when he is of old age doesn't show him with glasses too much
Not to denote the superb video, I was wondering if you could make a video about the Taiping Rebellion?
I grew up in Belize, went to elementary school and all that. I am surprised this was never discussed in our history classes
Are you a Chinese Belizean? Belize is definitely an interesting culture both culturally and racially.
Video Idea: How did Japan react to Germany’s Surrender in WW2?
(Yes, I did already comment this but I really want to see this)
Just search it up bro
@@cottontheeastercottontailr265 Nah i would like to see a 3-4 minute animated video explaining that with James Bisonette jokes in the end
They were probably like: “that sucks,” and went about their business.
two words: "well, crap".
They jailed the ambassador
Jamaica chose to be under the possession of James Bisonette instead
Hispaniola chose the Same!
Stop with the James Bisonette references, Jamaican me crazy!
Fr tho, Bissonette prolly has enough cash to buy the whole country lol
For a second, I thought you were gonna say James Bond.
Plot Twist: James Bisonette makes money using his trustworthy invention: Kelly Moneymaker
I'm a Canadian but my background is Jamaican. I used to wonder the same thing when I was in school because we were both part of the Commonwealth and there are a lot of Jamaicans in Canada.
Love The video
I knew about the Turks and Caicos joining Canada - the idea comes up about once a generation. The politicians shake their heads, make anti-neo-colonial noises, and move on. Jamaica and Belize, on the other hand, were news to me.
By Canadian standards the Turks and Caicos are tiny, smaller than Toronto. Our current smallest province (Prince Edward Island) is 15 times their size.
Merging all of them into Canada would only be about 5 million people. About enough to make a good sized province.
@@Zraknul multi-island nations always struggle especially if they are culturally different. Hell look at the UK and they only have 2
@@rileydavidson207 2? There are over 6,000 islands in the British Isles.....
@@Zraknul no. I think it’s closer to 7 million. That’s like either the third or fourth largest in the country. Can’t remember. Still, keep in mind that’s about 20% of Canada’s existing population
@@MichaelGGarry I was referring to the British islands and how they could barely keep that together for the longest time
Jamaican + Canadian track and field...combined? Unstoppable.🇨🇦❤🇯🇲
Jamaica by themselves are unstoppable. What are you on about?
Perhaps, but I wonder if any Jamaicans would manage to qualify for the Canadian bobsledding team.
we both smoke weed!
well seeing as GB is one of the most successful Oplympic nations, i.e 2nd just after the US but a disproportionate amount of meals, so better than the US considering. You would have been better off sticking the UK
@@davidrenton 🤣 hmm ... could that attitude be why they didn’t want to join the UK ???
Always thought it was odd how Windsor Ontario, right by Detroit, is the 'deep South' to Canada. That's one nice thing about the US, a person can experience pretty much every kind of climate zone available. Frozen Tundra in Alaska to the desert in Arizona.
fuck tho they're such hicks
Canada has frozen tundra in Nunavut and desert in British Columbia
Canada has a desert in BC.
@@rajkaranvirk7525 I'm really talking about South. What is the latitude of the BC desert? Is it above the 45th parallel? That place in BC is really a rain shadow, and despite being warm, it's got nothing on Death Valley. Do mesquite trees grow there? Anyhow, my point, if you look at the geography of Canada, the most Southern you're going to get is Windsor Ontario, and perhaps some island in Lake Erie. That's the "South" of Canada. In the USA for many people that's still pretty far North.
@@AllFirstHand Yeah, it’s almost like the US is below Canada. Denmark’s south is Germany’s north. Also it is a desert, go read up on it. Just cause it doesn’t have a specific flora doesn’t mean it’s not a desert. BC is really different from the rest of Canada weather wise due to the mountains blocking a lot of the cold. During winter it tends to just rain there(although due to climate change there have been some snow dropping).
As a Canadian, I weep every time this comes up. I'd be gone to Turks and Caicos Dec. 1 every year for 4 months! T & C could come up and go to uni and ski with the Australians in the Rockies or Laurentians. Best of both worlds for everyone.
I totally appreciate being given answers to questions that I didn't even know were questions to begin with. If more kids in history class were taught the craziness of history, a lot more people would grow up loving it and learning from it ! I love history!!!
History lessons in school can't just be made up of a series of anecdotes and cool facts because one has to learn the basics and how to learn history for themselves. You learn to walk before you can run kind of deal.
@@TheWoollyFrog true but a lot of history class is just learning dates and and names. There are a few good schools that really go into history, but many schools do not.
@@TheWoollyFrog History lessons can be whatever. It could almost even be reading fictional information from false stories. School does not care about the lessons you learn from a specific history lesson. Only the skills you gain from picking information out of a textbook. I had one techer who spent half of the year just on vikings because he loved them and technically they are still history even if they have nothing to do with Canada. I had another teacher who literally said to me "We don't care what topics or time period you study in history, just that you learn reading and comprehension skills."
So really history lessons can be about anything because the skills you learn studying any history is the same. Better to teach interesting history than lame facts nobody gives a shit about.
I've heard of the Turks and Caicos proposal, but I didn't know Jamaica could have been included, or that there was such a term as "boilerplate independence"! I found the video quite informative! I also found the Canadian Turks and Caicos flag at 2:50 to be a nice touch. Thanks for the video!
Finally something with the Caribbean. Thank you!!
As a Canadian, I'm hoping lots of UA-cam thievery happens to this video and lots of other videos about this pop up.. I want this idea of warm Canada to burrow deep into everyone's brains. More videos the better 💪
As an American, I will alert my Canadian brothers that it's GREAT to have a nice tropical paradise or two within your nation's jurisdiction. Since I live in NYC, Hawaii has been too far away--and thus expensive--for me to visit. But I have had the pleasure of visiting Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands without a passport or currency exchanges or any of that nonsense. Especially during COVID lockdowns it was beautiful having those places at our disposal, along with Florida. Too bad you lost out, Canada. It would've been great having at least the Turks and Caicos--the beaches there are outstanding. Maybe you could bring this up again with your Prime Minister?
well it's too bad Trudeau doesn't promise anything much if at all
@Krauses The Philippines and Puerto Rico were sold by Spain to America.
@Krauses feel free to start a Hawaii independence movement and see who will join you
@@yeetionary The consolation prize is that Trudeau's Mum got a bit of Cuban in her.
We actually still have some interesting close ties with several of the nations that almost became provinces. We provided some infrastructure to them in the lead up to potential assimilation such as ships to begin an inter island service
I always tell people about how we almost had our own Caribbean province and they are blown away. What a tragic blunder we made not bringing some of them into the fold
If it happened it was never going to last long you and I know it
@@rb26benjamin8 it wouldn’t have lasted long at all. Countries tend to annex places that are culturally similar to them, the US annexed all these places because there were enough people from the American mainland living there. They didn’t annex Cuba, the Philippines, and Puerto Rico for that exact reason. Canada and the Caribbean have absolutely nothing in common
@@ppppppppp64 exactly
Best choice we ever made. We already pour cash into quebec, why pour cash into another shit hole?
@@ppppppppp64 If the population is small enough then it really doesn't matter because it's not large enough to cause any serious civil strife. In fact, tiny island nations tend to be in favour of annexation because that means investment, tourism, access to a larger market, etc.
Lets get this rolling again!!
As a Canadian "A Hawaii of our own" sounds fantastic. Too bad it didn't come together. Perhaps I'll just go be a tourist in Turks and Caicos anyway.
Keep in mind, considering our stupid airport fees, it would be cheaper to just go to Hawaii even if Turks and Caicos were a province.
Bro I’m vacationing in Turks right now. Sitting on my resort porch learning how this place could’ve been know as Canada
Instead we go to Cuba
@@blakeapexx1450 I'll probably wait for mid winter and head down. How are the travel restrictions/requirements?
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus they are pretty lax, if your over 18 you have to be vaccinated but other than that it’s pretty chill
Canada has very close ties with most of the former British Caribbean Colonies, immigration, foreign aid, even military. For example Canada provided defence troops for most of the Caribbean during WW2 and Jamaicans and Bajans served in the Canadian military during WW2. Although for shear weight of population Florida would be a more likely territory for Canada. 🙂
Or Yuma, AZ. That town is full of Canadian retirees during the winter.
Florida (and portions of several other states) were once controlled by the British - can only wonder if in some parallel universe we saw the formation of the Dominion of Canada, Florida, and Jamaica? I'm not sure the Commonwealth would have survived having both Florida Man and Aussie Man.
@@Dystopia1111 From what I'm seeing, Florida was only a British colony for 2 decades and that too in the late 1700s. So a hypothetical union or confederation scenario with other British territories makes no sense.
A number of years ago my husband and I spent a vacation in the Bahamas and I was actually surprised by the large number of Canadian banks with a presence in the Bahamas; RBC Royal Bank, Scotiabank and CIBC. One of the cable providers in the Bahamas carried a full suite of Canada based TV networks - heck you could even watch Hockey Night in Canada in the Bahamas.
Canada has a military base in Jamaica for some reason
Thanks for the info, I knew there was "some" carribbean country that wanted to join Canada, but didn't know there was so many or it was such a mess. As a Canadian...I WISH we had a southern place to go to for the winter!! lol!
Thanks again.
Do an episode explaining the weird borders with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan?
As a Brit, I literally never heard that this was a thing. History Matters putting in a Mark Felton shift of bringing up obscure historical things that nobody has ever heard of. Good work as always!
To be fair, as a Canuck, I haven't heard of most of these either. I mean, hell, WW2 is Battle of the Atlantic, Storming Normandy, and why the Dutch offer us tulips every year. Maybe a little Dieppe on the side. Nothing about running the Caribbean. Of course, the Turks and Caicos do get mentioned from time to time, but it never goes anywhere.
I once again find myself passionated by the answer to a question I never thought of.
There are currently over 300 000 Jamaican - Canadian citizens as well.
Another great video, would be why do some countries have people drive on the left side of the road, and why do some countries have people drive on the right side of the road?
I'm from Poland and in 0:02 I was like: "You don't say?"
But well, that was.... really full of surprises. Never been to America, but I think it would be nice to see both Caribbean beaches and Canadian forests
I'm from Trinidad, a country that was part of the proposed West Indies Federation.
I'm rather shocked to know my country might have considered to become part of Canada, especially considering our leadership at the time.
Also: lmao at "Trinidad and the other one"
yeah my mom's side of the family is from trinidad and a lot of them emigrated to canada, it would crazy if this happened because they might have just stayed in trinidad
We already have plenty of Trinis here in Toronto. It would’ve made the immigration process a lot easier if they were already Canadian citizens, lol
@@lif6737
But why should an underdeveloped country like Trinidad make it easier for brain drain to occur?
You know people still have to live here right?
Tobago: Let me introduce myself....
@@syxepop Tobacco? How I smoke thee. Let me count the ways.
It’s kinda cool to see someone talk about Belize like that, because I’m not used to my country getting attention 😂
Did not know this, I wish I knew about these when I was in school back then XD
We(Jamaica) just celebrated 60 years of independence so to hear that we went from British to almost Canadian is funny in my opinion
A mi fi tell yu 😂
The upper class elites wanted a white majority rule over the island and didn't want the blacks to move up. Thanks God they left after independence . Good riddance.
@@Moko_Bomoi
You Jamaicans have to seriously work on speaking an intelligible form of English.
I'm from another Caribbean island and that made no sense.
@@declannewton2556 you could have requested a translation or interpretation but we love our Patwah dialect passed down by our ancestors , it’s literally what over 90% of the island speaks. It’s just how one Jamaican can identify and relate to another Jamaican🇯🇲
@@Moko_Bomoi
It was a semi-serious jest.
I, in fact, went to school with 2 Jamaicans. One was able to adapt to the local dialect and the other... had a pretty strong accent.
However it's important to know that in my island, there was one topic that had me studying Caribbean dialects including the Jamaican dialect.
Being serious, I'm not saying you should stop it. But just commenting on how hard it is to understand.
You’re videos are great! I learn so much from them
Yes. You are videos are great
@@jokuvaan5175 Oop
As a Canadian... Huh... A Québécois... I love this chanel!
very cute "during the war" animation, made me giggle.
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