Why Catholics Can't Just Become Orthodox w/ Eric Ybarra
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2020
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Are the Catholic and Orthodoxy Churches basically the same? And, would it be fine for a Catholic to join the Orthodox Church and vice versa? Matt and Eric discuss.
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Please, for the love of God - invite an Orthodox guest!!
He has a debate in the works.
OMG!! I remember you!! I watched you on Soul Pancakes!!!!! It was the episode on Greek Orthodox and it was at the cathedral in LA. It was very beautiful!!!
@@TheFluteNewb Really? Did he already talk about it? Do you have any idea of the protagonists?
@@aquarius9043 i just know what he wrote publicly in the comments Of a response video. They moved it to dm which I’m taking as a positive sign.
Noah Johnson - I agree. And it can be any Orthodox guest he wants, as long as it's Fr. Josiah Trenham.
Because it's not tradition to deny the papacy.
Having a terrible pope doesn't relieve you of the obligation to recognize that fact.
Well yes, it's Orthodox tradition. Then also catholic tradition before 1000AD, or am I mistaken?
@@clebs1261 It's Orthodox tradition post schism. But that couldn't be less relevant for obvious reasons.
@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese but then they gave that belief up and named the patriarch of Constantinople first among equals…or am I wrong?
@OutsiderSoul The new Orthodox conception of the role of the Pope doesn't fit with the Fathers. They interpret the keys being given to Peter not just like the binding and loosing given ot the others, but as a unique role of strengthening the brethren.
Read the 'Orthodox' Popes yourself to see.
The primacy/supremacy distinction is only intended to conjure up images of despotic rule. When in reality, the primacy was in fact of authority, and not of merely honor. Again, which the Fathers bear out clearly. Primacy of honor is by definition part of the package, but it is not without primacy of authority.
@@AveChristusRex read church history, they are right, there wasnt any kind of pope supremacy, he had a great honor nas influence but he had tô confess the same faith
"Why shouldn't I become Orthodox?"
"Maybe you should."
"Okay!"
Why shouldn't I become Orthodox?"
"Maybe you shouldn’t ."
"Okay!"
Because it's the right way to follow Jesus. OK 😊
@@emmat7910 no ✝️
It’s a personal choice or leading of God. I’ve been both. Pros and cons with each. For me personally i much rather prefer and agree more with Catholic. Catholicism is the truth and true church!
The ruination of vatican II
The true Church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. "For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace-as in all the churches of the saints." (1Co 14:33)
Well said brother I’m RC ✝️🌹
That certainly DOESN'T describe Roman Catholicism!! 😜😜😜
@@lcringo3498 let me guess your a Christian? One of those heretic churches? Take pretend to be “true Christians “ but neglect the actual laws and teachings of the Holy Bible. Or perhaps your an atheist a scientific mind, maybe just one of the “woke” . Whatever your reasoning for standing against the One True Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ himself, handed the keys to heaven to Simon Peter St. Peter. Did you know that not only did our Lord say “Peter you are the rock which I will build my church upon” but more facts did you know after St Peters death they took his body outside the city gates buried him in a shallow rocky grave? A church was built there now that little church is St Peters basilica in the Vatican. The Lord said My church will suffer surely they will persecute you as they have persecuted me.
And to be clear it was the One True Church who established the sciences to not disprove but prove the bible which it most surely does. And if you were a victim of a corrupt person of the church that they were not a true representation of the body of the church.
@@jennybailey3152 Hmm...You're engaging in a lot of guessing and speculating about someone you don't even know. Is that the nature of Roman Catholicism? Whatever MY relationship with Almighty God is, YOU'RE NOT PRIVY TO IT,and you would do well to remember that. Yes, I am Christian, a genuine, bonafide BIBLICAL designation, and reject wholeheartedly the bogus, man-centered,human-concocted claims and interpretations of your man-centered,human-concocted, bogus religious system/institution. I have about as much use for Roman Catholicism as I do for two navels...👹👹👹
@@jennybailey3152 Christ meant that on his confession of faith. Peter denied Christ three times shortly after that, and was rebuked by Paul for not teaching the Gospel to the Gentiles. So Peter is definitely not infallible. However Paul and Peter are held to a higher degree by not only the other Apostles, but by Christ as well. The teaching of a Pope being infallible, and the filioque, are false.
Honest question for an Eastern Orthodox member;
Why should I submit to any of the Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs when I’m not Antiochian, Russian, Greek, etc…
I’m an English speaking, born in Texas, British/German/Polish heritage… I’m Western (Roman empire) through and through.
The East didn’t want to submit to a Universal Bishop, yet, expects me to submit to one a world away based on cultural lines?
Why hasn’t the EO ever established a Western Patriarch?
Why share the chairs of honor throughout America? I have Greek, Russian and Antiochian Eastern Churches within 10 miles each way of me. That’s unity?
I’m genuinely interested in the response.
There is no submission to a patriarch in the sense that you are implying. Other than the current break between Moscow/Constantinople break which might be a bigger deal to some than to others, there is little hindrance to an Orthodox Christian walking into any local Orthodox Church. They may be welcome to one degree or another, just as anyone might be welcomed in any number of local Catholic parishes.
The Orthodox believe that they have preserved the faith given to the Apostles and the Roman Catholics have not. To me, that is the only reason to become Orthodox. And it shouldn't matter who the Patriarch in question is, unless he is teaching heresy.
Why hasn't the Orthodox Church ever established a Western Patriarch? Probably out of hope that the Great Schism might be healed one day. There is no requirement for there to be such a Patriarch, it's simply an honorific.
The multiple jurisdictions issue in the "diaspora" is regrettable, but it has lasted little more than 100 years at this point. It might be resolved in a few years, it might drag on for centuries. It *is* unity of the shared Chalice (again other than the Moscow/Constantinople issue) even if it is not administrative unity.
In the Roman Catholic Church, there are *three* Patriarchs of Antioch--that's unity?
@@TorreyGilday Three patriarchs of Antioch that are each representatives of autonomous Churches proper to their respective regions. They are patriarchs of Antioch in the sense that they use Antiochian liturgies not in the sense geographical jurisdiction.
Ryan, nobody wants you to submit where you don't want to.. everything has to be by love and faith.. if you find nothing in orthodoxy, then search somewhere else! And the nationality here means nothing.. just learn on the Japanese orthodox church and St.Nikolai..
"why should I submit to an Eastern Bishop when I'm not Greek, Russian Etc."
You may be western, but are you Roman? Italian? Why would you submit to the pope then? Because it's not about the culture and all about the authority itself.
"The Orthodox didn't want to submit to the universal Bishop"
Because he wasn't the universal Bishop. He certainly didn't have the authority defined by Vatican I and II.
"Why don't we have a "western" patriarch"
We consider the Pope of Rome to be the legitimate Patriarch of Rome, just in schism. For that reason, we haven't sought to install a replacement Bishop within our church. This is a courtesy that hasn't been returned by the Latin church historically, but that will certainly help if reunification is to ever be achieved.
Just some short thoughts from an Orthodox perspective-
@@hesoswag1697 the Roman Empire encompassed my region, Poland, German, etc… so when the seat of Rome is established, my ancestors were Roman… so yes.
I’m just struggling to find evidence of a Bishopric/Patriarch that was equal throughout the Christian East and West.
I know, I know, I know… the East is tired of hearing about the keys given to Peter, but I’ve yet to hear a convincing argument against that.
I LOVE me some Eastern theology and have attended
Eastern Catholic Churches for the Divine Liturgy.
I’m open to arguments as I’m a truth seeker and follower of Christ.
I’m in love with all the Icons and old traditions
Yes. You absolutely can become Orthodox. It’s not about trying another ‘flavor’ of Christianity. It’s about being apart of the true church. It’s about using this life to prepare for death so your soul can finally live in an eternal sabbath of theosis, or oneness, with God. Joining with Him who is love, and growing in Him and in His likeness for all eternity.
Set worldliness aside and seek the Kingdom. There isn’t much time...
@@_ftphikari our theology is completely different. this is a view of someone who seems to have never discerned between the two. these are two different religions that, when seen on the surface seem very similar, show their differences when delved into.
No, The Church has been around for quite some time before jettisoned roman bureaucrats fled east, did s*t*nic things from 300-1100, and then were paid back for uniting with the caliphate against The Church.
the orthodox are the successors of the jettisoned roman bureaucracy that were momentarily given pseudo-Catholic titles to allow Catholics to become acclimated to rome not being hostile. your earliest ancestors date from around the 300's, but your group didn't take off until bishops of constantinople wanted unquestioned power, convinced the emperor to ally with the m*hamm*d*ns to try to d*str*y The Church. they failed to d*str*y The Church, and the m*h*mm*d*ns w*ped out constantinople (using h*jra) for their f*ilure.
in other words, you have no beliefs, no standards, no actions; you wanted a place to be a f*rn*cating gym bro in a religion that has a "liturgy" that can be whatever you want and requires nothing of you, has "married" "priests," c*traception, "ab*rt*on," d*vorce, while c*ming into the hills. I have always found it hilarious how your k*nd can harp on nonsense like "development of doctrine" which is not only not Catholic, it is DIRECTLY lifted from your group!
Being Orthodox is great! When I was Catholic I was always in doubt as to whether the clergy from the Pope all the way down to my local priests even had grace. I couldn’t go to mass without cringing unless I drove the 100 miles to get to a TLM that I couldn’t understand. Now I have a very welcoming parish family that is extremely Conservative and Nationalistic, with special attention to the reverence of the Liturgy. 100% recommend becoming Orthodox, and hope you two will come around to making the right decision,
Don't insult the TLM by saying you can't understand it. English/Latin Missals can be easily obtained.
@@timothyp.1392 my point was that even muh based trad mass that is miles apart from the normal liturgical life of your typical Catholic was simply foreign and alien to me
@@matthewhamstein3811 I don't care what your point was. That insult to the TLM was not well founded.
@@timothyp.1392 cool you’re still a heretic in a Parasynagogue
@@matthewhamstein3811 Ight. We clearly disagree, and Im not going to push it. Have a nice day.
It is very clear in Matthew 16:18-19, that God founded only One Holy Church, not many churches
People who read this and perhaps have more expertise by all means correct me if I'm wrong** I feel like it's important for us Catholics especially Roman Catholics (Ukrainian Catholic here) to understand that the Schism between the Orthodox and Rome is NOT the same as how the protestants broke away. The episcopal inheritance of the Orthodox Bishops and therefore all Orthodox Sacraments are considered VAILD in the eyes of the Vatican and therefore St. Peter. The approach to Catholic-Orthodox Schism can't be done like our approach to protestant because remember the Orthodox ARE receiving the true and Holy Eucharist, their Bishops exercise rightful authority over their own flocks. When your Orthodox friend goes to confession it's a real valid Sacrament they're receiving, again so long as they are practice all the proper interior attitudes of contrition etc. So the healing of Schism needs to be approached with this in mind. It can't be about making the Orthodox Catholic, whereas yeah the protestants do need to lose their protestantism. Just my two cents.I say this because I don't agree with how ambivalence to leaving Rome for the East is opening the flood gates because it isn't Rome is very clear that the divide between Orthodoxy and Rome isn't the same divide as other religions and Rome.
Because Jesus established His Church with Peter and his successor’s as the Head on Earth.
He established the church of Antioch first and also the church of Alexandria so where are you getting that the pontif of Rome has universal jurisdiction and not the other successors of Peter?
@@grugg5353 Petrine/Papal Primacy is established from the scriptures and the role of the Bishop of Rome is shown in the Early Church Fathers.
Scriptures:
-Peter is mentioned more than any other apostle in the New Testament and is always mentioned first in any formal list of apostles.
-In Mathew 16, he says to Peter that on this rock he will build his Church...etc. And also gives him the "keys to the kingdom of heaven" which is Matthew’s reference to Isaiah 22 shows that the structure of Jesus’ kingdom was modelled on King David’s dynastic court, and also fulfills Christ promise from John 1:42 to rename him Cephas (Rock). And to Peter specifically Christ tells three times to Peter to feed his lamb/sheep (John 21:16-18)
-Peter was regarded by both the Jews (Acts 4:1-13) and the common people (Acts 2:37-41; 5:15) - even an angel (Mk 16:7) - as the leader of Christianity. Cornelius was told by an angel to seek Peter for Christian instruction (Acts 10:1-6), and an angel delivered Peter from prison: Acts 12:1-17), after the whole Church had offered “earnest prayer” (Acts 12:5). Paul went to Jerusalem specifically to see Peter for fifteen days in the beginning of his ministry (Gal 1:18; cf. Gal 2:9).
-Peter’s words were the most important in the upper room before Pentecost (Acts 1:15-22), and he was the first person to speak (and “preach the gospel”) after Pentecost (Acts 2:14-41).
-He took the lead in calling for a replacement for Judas (Acts 1:22), uttered the first anathema (Acts 5:2-11), and was the first to recognize and refute heresy, in Simon Magus (Acts 8:14-24). He was the first to receive the Gentiles and to baptize them (Acts 10:9-48) He instructed the other apostles on the catholicity (universality) of the Church (Acts 11:5-17).
-Peter presided over the first council of Christianity, and laid down the principles accepted by it (Acts 15:7-11). He was often the spokesman for the apostles (Mk 8:29; Mt 18:21; Lk 9:5; 12:41; Jn 6:67 ff.).
Early Church Fathers:
St. Ignatius of Antioch: You [the See of Rome] have envied no one, but others have you taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instructions may remain in force (Epistle to the Romans 3:1 [A.D. 110]).
St. Ireneaus: the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2[inter A.D. 189])
St. Clement of Alexandria:
[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? “Behold, we have left all and have followed you” [Matt. 19:2 7, Mark 10:28] (Who is the Rich Man that is Saved? 21:3-5 [A.D. 200]).
Letter of Clement to James:
Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first-fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed; the called, and elect (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D, 221])
St. Cyprian: With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the Chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source” (Epistle to Cornelius [Bishop of Rome] 59:14 [A.D. 252])
St. Optatus: In the city of Rome the Episcopal chair was given first to Peter, the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head - that is why he is also called Cephas - of all the apostles, the one chair in which unity is maintained by all. Neither do the apostles proceed individually on their own, and anyone who would [presume to] set up another chair in opposition to that single chair would, by that very fact, be a schismatic and a sinner (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [circa A.D. 367]
Tyrannius Rufinius:
and further how he speaks of the city of Rome, which now through the grace of God is reckoned by Christians as their capital (Apology 2:23 [A.D. 400]).
St. Augustine: Among these [apostles] Peter alone almost everywhere deserved to represent the whole Church. Because of that representation of the Church, which only he bore, he deserved to hear “I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Sermons 295:2 [A.D. 411])
@@grugg5353 And now specifically I'm going to post Eastern Fathers pre-Schism speaking on the Bishop of Rome in several parts, please read through all of you can. God Bless.
ALEXANDRIA
St. Athanasius (362 A.D.):
Rome is called "the Apostolic throne." (Athanasius, Hist. Arian, ad Monach. n. 35).
The Council of Sardica (342 A.D.)
...A Council presided over by St. Athanasius of Alexandria:
"If any bishop looses the judgment in some case [decided by his fellow bishops] and still believes that he has not a bad but a good case, in order that the case may be judged anew ...***let us honor the memory of the Apostle Peter by having those who have given the judgment write to Julius, Bishop of Rome***, so that if it seem proper ***he may himself send arbiters*** and the judgment may be made again by the bishops of a neighboring province." (Council of Sardica, Canon 3, 342 A.D.)
Pope St. Julius I (342):
Writing to the Byzantine court after Athanasius had been deposed from the Alexandrian see by the Arians .....
"It behoved you to write to us that thus what is just might be decreed for all. For they who suffered were Bishops, and the Churches that suffered no common ones, over which the Apostles ruled in person. And why were we (the Pope) not written to concerning the Church, **especially Alexandria**? Or are they (the Arians) ignorant that this has been the Tradition first to write to us, and thus what is just be decreed from this place (Rome)? If therefore, any such suspicion fell upon the bishop there (Alexandria), it was benefitting to write to this Church (Rome)." (Julius, Ep. n. 6,21.)
St. Cyril of Alexandria (c. 431)
"He (Christ) promises to found the Church, assigning immovableness to it, as He is the Lord of strength, and over this He sets Peter as shepherd." (Cyril, Comm. on Matt., ad loc.)
"They (the Apostles) strove to learn through one, that preeminent one, Peter." (Cyril, Ib. 1. ix. p. 736).
The Council of Ephesus (431):
....a council presided over by St. Cyril of Alexandria, in which the Roman presbyter Philip declared:
"There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the Apostles, pillar of the faith and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the Keys of the Kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins; who down even to this day and forever both lives and judges in his successors. The holy and most blessed Pope Celestine, according to due order, is his successor and holds his place." (Acts of the Council of Ephesus, session 3).
Eulogius of Alexandria (581 A.D.):
"Neither to John, nor to any other of the disciples, did our Savior say, 'I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven,' but only to Peter. (Eulogius, Lib. ii. Cont. Novatian. ap. Photium, Biblioth, cod. 280)
@@grugg5353 ANTIOCH
Theodoret, Bishop of Cyrus in Syria (450):
"I therefore beseech your holiness to persuade the most holy and blessed bishop (Pope Leo) to use his Apostolic power, and to order me to hasten to your Council. For that most holy throne (Rome) has the sovereignty over the churches throughout the universe on many grounds." (Theodoret, Tom. iv. Epist. cxvi. Renato, p. 1197).
"It pertains to you (Pope Leo) to hold the primacy in all things, for your throne is adorned with many prerogatives." (Theodoret Ibid, Epist. Leoni)
"If Paul, the herald of the truth, the trumpet of the Holy Spirit, hastened to the great Peter, to convey from him the solution to those in Antioch, who were at issue about living under the law, how much more do we, poor and humble, run to the Apostolic Throne (Rome) to receive from you (Pope Leo) healing for wounds of the the Churches. For it pertains to you to have primacy in all things; for your throne is adorned with many prerogatives." (Theodoret Ibid, Epistle Leoni)
"For that all holy throne has the office of heading the Churches of the whole world, for many reasons; and, above all others, because it has remained free of the communion of heretical taint, and no one holding heterodox sentiments ever sat in it, but it has preserved the Apostolic grace unsullied." (Theodoret, Epist Renato)
"Hasten to your Apostolic See in order to receive from you a cure for the wounds of the Church. For every reason it is fitting for you to hold the first place, inasmuch as your see is adorned with many priviledges. I have been condemned without trial. But I await the sentence of your Apostolic See. I beseech and implore Your Holiness to succor me in my appeal to your fair and righteous tribunal. Bid me hasten to you and prove to you that my teaching follows in the footsteps of the Apostles." (Theodoret to Pope Leo, Ep. 113).
St. Eusebius of Doryleum (450): ...writing to Pope Leo:
"The Apostolic throne has been wont from the beginning to defend those who are suffering injustice. I entreat Your Blessedness, give me back the dignity of my episcopate and communion with yourself, by letters from you to my lowliness bestowing on me my rank and communion." (Eusebius of Doryleum to Pope Leo)
@@grugg5353
JERUSALEM
St. Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem (c. 638):
"Teaching us all orthodoxy and destroying all heresy and driving it away from the God-protected halls of our holy Catholic Church. And together with these inspired syllables and characters, I accept all his (the Pope's) letters and teachings as proceeding from the mouth of Peter the Coryphaeus, and I kiss them and salute them and embrace them with all my soul ... I recognize the latter as definitions of Peter and the former as those of Mark, and besides, all the heaven-taught teachings of all the chosen mystagogues of our Catholic Church." (Sophronius, Mansi, xi. 461)
"Transverse quickly all the world from one end to the other until you come to the Apostolic See (Rome), where are the foundations of the orthodox doctrine. Make clearly known to the most holy personages of that throne the questions agitated among us. Cease not to pray and to beg them until their apostolic and Divine wisdom shall have pronounced the victorious judgment and destroyed from the foundation ...the new heresy." (Sophronius,[quoted by Bishop Stephen of Dora to Pope Martin I at the Lateran Council], Mansi, x., 893)
Stephen, Bishop of Dora in Palestine (645):
The disciple of Patriarch Sophronius, ....
"And for this cause, sometimes we ask for water to our head and to our eyes a fountain of tears, sometimes the wings of a dove, according to holy Hugh, that we might fly away and announce these things to the Chair (the Chair of Peter at Rome) which rules and presides over all, I mean to yours, the head and highest, for the healing of the whole wound. For this it has been accustomed to do from old and from the beginning with power by its canonical or apostolic authority, because the truly great Peter, head of the Apostles, was clearly thought worthy not only to be trusted with the keys of heaven, alone apart from the rest, to open it worthily to believers, or to close it justly to those who disbelieve the Gospel of grace, but because he was also commissioned to feed the sheep of the whole Catholic Church; for 'Peter,' saith He, 'lovest thou Me? Feed My sheep.' And again, because he had in a manner peculiar and special, a faith in the Lord stronger than all and unchangeable, to be converted and to confirm his fellows and spiritual brethren when tossed about, as having been adorned by God Himself incarnate for us with power and sacerdotal authority .....And Sophronius of blessed memory, who was Patriarch of the holy city of Christ our God, and under whom I was bishop, conferring not with flesh and blood, but caring only for the things of Christ with respect to your Holiness, hastened to send my nothingness without delay about this matter alone to this Apostolic see, where are the foundations of holy doctrine." (Sophronius, to Pope Martin I at the Lateran Council, Mansi, x., 893)
I tried several times to convert to Orthodoxy from The Catholic Church but found myself still praying the Angelus and the Rosary so I decided to remain Catholic. I spoke to a former Benedictine Monk who became an Orthodox Monk and he said at the deepest levels of spiritual experiences there was no difference between the two Churches. God was the same.
Check out the western rite they pray the rosary
As a Catholic I would have reject, the immaculate conception, the chair of Peter, the infallibility of the church, the Eucharistc presence in the tabernacle & purgatory. Am I right?
so if the catholic and orthodox churches are the same, then for example can a Russian orthodox individual 'convert' to Catholicism?
Yes. My fellow RCIA candidate was Serbian Orthodox before entering into the Church.
@@tr1084 I think you are missing the entire point of his question. If they were already the same, why would there need to be any conversion?
Using the Russian church is a bad example though because even they are a bit different from a lot of other Eastern Orthodox and some don’t even consider them part of that.
Looking forward to the Ybarra & Ubi Petrus debate.
@Eugen I think that this video was supposed to be that, but there was some toxicity leading up to it. I think that the conflict led to it being canceled, but I'm not sure.
Ubi is extremely toxic and behind the scenes has slandered Erick and the Reason & Theology hosts, also demanding $500 from Michael Lofton for an appearance on the show.
Go check out Reason & Theology's video "Responding to False Accusations" and the recent video on the UOC Patriarch where he mentions the situation with Ubi.
@@hughmungus9739 Ubi’s arguments absolutely decimate Ybarra’s. He has multiple hour long videos dismantling Ybarra point by point
Unfortunately Ubi would destroy Ybarra who is no means a scholar but an average Joe like us so they will not show it
Ubi would be so angry that he lost that he would throw another temper tantrum and remove the video when done.
My ex husband is Polish and has a long heritage of Catholicism in his family. I converted to Catholicism from no religion. He had a long term relationship with an employee, and we divorced. He is now becoming Eastern Orthodox so he can “marry” this woman. There was no declaration of nullity from the Catholic Church. Would an Eastern Orthodox Pastor just accept that situation no questions asked?
Yes. The Eastern Orthodox will accept as many as three remarriages. They propagate their adultery and reject the Gospel. They are not the church of God.
How do I buy a "Pints with Aquinas mug"? The kind of mug that is on your "become a patron" page, Or on your 45 second "become a subscriber " UA-cam video. You're wearing a black tshirt and you hold up the mug. The mug looks like a coffee cup, it's black with a natural stone tan part that's molded in that says "pints with Aquinas ". I want to give to a priest and one for myself.
You have to become a patron. God bless!!
I would argue that due to the fact many Catholic priests do not faithfully uphold the church’s teaching, whether it be in the confessions they hear or in the homilies they give, a Catholic could potentially utilize Canon 844.2 in order to approach an Orthodox priest for the sacraments if there would be a true spiritual advantage. I would say this can be done without leaving the Catholic Church and becoming Orthodox. It would be out of a desire for true spiritual assistance when it isn’t being given at the Catholic parishes available.
Can. 844 §2: Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.
It is because of vatican II, how can an intellectual catholic hold onto the faith if it believes that you can both hold the filioque and not? That the islamic non carnated "god" is the same as the One Triune God? It is impossible contradiction, and priests, cannot face their laity with great courage knowing that our popes have embraced contradiction
the irony of what Ybarra says. the 'indifference' is all to be found in the Catholic NOT the Orthodox Church (and 'yes' I know what religious indifference is).
Matt I was laughing wholeheartedly at your Who should I vote for clip . I wondered if your American listeners knew what the term " Sheilah" meant . Also it is refreshing that drongo politicians not relegated to Australia. Perhaps you could run as the Larrikin party candidate .
You really deleted your who should I vote for video? I was dieing bro! Coffee will be awesome in the morning. Lol
"Why not become Coptic Orthodox" - I mean, this is a legitimate question, given that recent discussions between Eastern and Oriental Orthodox have pretty much established that the historical schism was based on understanding, and we believe the same things.
Definitely more identical than Catholic, except Christology.
I hope the OO and EO come back together, especially since it seems it was a semantics issue
They are not as traditional as they say they are. They had mason EPs, praised modernism and etc
In Russia many collaborated with the Communists, even to the detriment of Eastern Catholics who wouldn't collaborate with them.
@@FreeNationRadio
I totally agree. 👏🏻
Well, the Orthodox church also has apostolic succession, and has not changed the way the service plays out, unlike Catholics who has changed their service for example Vatican II. So who's the one who's not as old as they claim? I'm not saying the Catholic church isn't old, just thought it's funny how someone can say that the church that held onto the traditions and tried not to change them at all isn't old? Anyways, before I go I'd like to ask if we aren't as old as we say we are how old are we?
@@alexjketchum They actually made substantial and deliberate changes to the liturgy at Trent, destroying much of the ancient liturgical tradition of the west in what was a massive overreaction to the reformation. The changes made then weren't as egregious as those done in Vatican II, Trent was largely based on the existing rite in the city of Rome at that time, but the systemic standardization of the mass across western Europe was amongst the most destructive things to ever happen in western Christianity, arguably more destructive than even the reformation itself.
@@costakeith9048 Thank you for your knowledge, I'm still not convinced that @free nation radio is correct in saying that the Orthodox church isn't "as old as they say"
Started attending Divine Liturgy with the Byzantine Rite. It's almost the best of both worlds, the western most of the Eastern Rites and still within Communion of the Holy See. They have most of the same Orthodox traditions, just not Orthodox.
True. On one hand, they aren't fully at home in either church, on the other, they are a bridge between the two.
agreed
@HolyHammerOfByzantium again, so many strawman flaws in your argument. Give doctorinal evidence that basis your stance, you can't,
@HolyHammerOfByzantium alright buddy, the ruthenian greek catholic church and maybe to a certain extent, the ukranian grek catholic church are closest in doctrine to the latin rite. Where they are not orthodox (which specific east or oriental orthodox denomination do you want a comparision with?) is the ruthenian greeks read from revelation at divine liturgy and oppose birth control, these are both canoical doctrines at odds with greek orthodoxy but are supported by the bishop of rome. Guess you just learned something today.
@@johncastaldo8635 it's not doctrinal, it's historical, Eastern Catholics at one point were part of the Orthodox church but chose to stay in communion after the council of florence
I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Catholic Pope is all the way from Peter whom Jesus himself appoint.
Except the Pope left The Church in 1054. So, the pope is no longer from Peter.
Being a Catholic respect to Orthodox, they are our brothers. The Church is from Peter and Orthodox is from Andres. Godbless you guys!
More is pointing to Apostle John the beloved disciple of Jesus. See the dialog of St. Peter with Jesus when St. John followed His steps. St. John: 21:18 - 24. Also thought as the author of Revelation.
While Apostle Peter founded the church in Rome, the other Apostles travelled to many lands to preach about Jesus. Apostle Andrew founded the Greek church. St. Thomas founded the churches of Babylon and travelled to India, but he did not establish a throne. But he did become a martyr in India.
I would argue that the Orthodox though in succession from St Andrew are not even in communion like the way St Peter and St Andrew were and are. Therefore, the Orthodox Faith is not from St Andrew. The Catholic Faith in the Latin rite and Eastern rite are from the Apostles, St Peter, St Paul, and St Andrew in particular. The Orthodox Church have the faith transmitted to them from Our Church even though they are out of full-communion by the promise of Christ. If we said that the Orthodox Faith is from St Andrew, we would accept their errors that led to their ex-communication, and in recent times: partial communion. Pre-Schism they were Catholic too meaning they had been obedient to the magisterium. Orthodoxy meaning “right teaching” is not what they are, though they gave themselves that name exclusively post-schism. I use it only because we understand it as that.
Further, their patriarchs, the patriarch of Constantinople Bartholomew have valid successions from the Apostles, but are not in full-communion with that lineage. The tradition of the Orthodox Church is post-schism and not pre-schism which was Catholic. Therefore, they are not more traditional than the Roman Catholic Church. They can claim to be dated back in tradition to the Apostles, but by breaking communion with the Catholic Faith, they became dated much later. Though the Apostolic succession continues validly as a guarantee by Christ, and is determined by His Church.
@@flaviusmacrobius1110 That was a very good way to put it. But the Orthodox are indeed within the lineage of the apostles through Apostolic succession. The Eastern orthodox (Greek) is from St. Andrew, but they do lack the spirit of St. Andrew, which he had towards his brother St. Peter. But the Patriarch of Constantinople, the successor of Andrew, gives us hope in these times, because of his openness to dialogue while still holding to his faith in strict orthodoxy. So in the near future, both these churches will be united. But since the orthodox churches are divided among themselves, it would mean that patriarchs of each church has to accept that unity.
@@bijogeojose7209 From St. Andrew in their Apostolic Succession, but in tradition which is more than just symbols and liturgy, but is also manners and adherence to doctrine, they are not. Therefore, it is best to not say they are from St. Andrew as it gives into their error. I would only confirm their Apostolic Succession (valid Sacraments) from St. Andrew, but not say they post-schism are from St. Andrew. I want to think of it like this... The Orthodox Faith (Greek Church) is like a son of a King who by his birth right is in a legitimate lineage of his father, and will be able to succeed his father and rule the throne. By his actions, he has been disowned by his father, though he can be forgiven if he confesses what he has done with true contrition and then submits to obedience to his king. The son is by his birth right in the lineage of his father, and will be king if he does not violate the particular conditions for succession. As mentioned above, he did. He is still legitimately in the line of succession but the king having ultimate authority to decide replaces his right to the crown and puts in place of his succession another son. The first son who was disowned claims the kingdom is his and that he is rightfully king, and gains his own supporters and army, though he is outside of the city walls. He gives his own orders and decrees to be followed by his subjects.
The Orthodox Church is the first (in the context of this story) son of the King (Succession of St Andrew) and has a valid succession because of their origin from the Catholic Church established by Jesus Christ. The tradition (son’s alleged “kingship”) of the Orthodox Church is not apostolic and from St Andrew (the king) since post-schism.
I’d like to see Tridentine Mass brought back
Even supposing I repudiate the Filioquist heresy of St Theodore, my Catholic baptism and confirmation remain valid as Christian sacraments. I might have to travel a very long way to find an Orthodox church which agrees with me. There's nothing to stop me setting up an icon corner at home, and I do own some serigraphs. This Christmas, 2021, with the long Advent, there is time to track down and pray the Akathistos to the Virgin Mary in English. I say the Sub Tuum Praesidium every day during Covid. I could say the Axion Estin on January 1st. I made my first Holy Communion in Jarrow, and I think St Benedict Biscop would say a bit of syncretism is OK.
"let's see how many Catholic teachings and practices I can refuse and how many EO teachings and practices I can adopt and still be called Catholic!"
@@mikethemonsta15 The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is an effective means of salvation for its members, and there are several similar Eastern churches.
Yes yes yes you just explained my experience in a Orthodox Church
sadly, many orthodox communities are very secular and liberal. it is not part of our faith, quite the opposite, but there are many more actually catholic Catholic communities, which is very beautiful.
Are you for real? Secularism and liberalism is ripe within the Catholic Church. While there are liberal orthodox people, they are few in comparison with the Catholic Church?
@@jacobborregaard2356 as someone who leans towards Catholicism, I have to agree
In my experience, this is the case in Orthodox-majority countries, just like in Catholic-majority countries Catholicism tends to become secular and liberal, more like a tradition than religion. We are all at our most religious when we are outnumbered :)
@@Max-ke3ty Very good point.
1. That doesn't reflect on whether they have the Truth of not.
2. Amish communities could be pretty conservative and "traditional" as well but it doesn't mean that they've got the Truth.
I attended both, it is very easy to spot the counterfeit. One is gold and the other is brass. I became Orthodox.
Yaaaas💪❤️✝️😃
Russian? Greek? Romanian? Serbian? Which sect did you chose?
@@lksdgh6058, they all form one united Church. I'm in the Antiochian Archdiocese.
@@ryanpat3797 They are not united. They are all seperate national Churches. The Russian and the Ukranian seperated not too long ago. Also theres issues between others where one doesnt recognize the other. Constantinople being Istanbul today is another major issue
@@lksdgh6058 They have the same loturgical calendar, same services, same text, same saints, same theology, and all commune with eachother. Scandal happens at times because we are fallen people and the church is filled with fallen people like us, and at times there are divides that God permits to show who are sheep and who are goats, and who we choose to follow.
2:31 That's exactly what a priest (Catholic) told my wife like 12 years ago when she was in middle school. She had doubts about becoming protestant. He told her that maybe she had to go to a service and participate and then she would realize that the RCC is the one true church of Christ. She didn't go, but she did realize that truth.
The "RCC" isn't the only Catholic Church. It's not even the oldest. It is the largest and the Bishop of Rome is the successor of Peter, but the "RCC" is only part of the Church Jesus founded. There are many Catholic Rites and the post-vatican II is not what I'd call beautiful. There are more beautiful rites.
@@classicalteacher The Roman Catholic Church is the Catholic Church. There is no Catholic without the Roman because the papacy is in Rome. The main/traditional rite of the Catholic Church is the Latin/Roman rite. The rite of the Pope. It is not a competition with the other valid Catholic rites. You cannot make progress in the Faith with your current understanding of the Roman Catholic Faith. Everything including our learning, understanding, and communication with others must be done with charity and humility.
@@flaviusmacrobius1110 I don't think you understand what I'm attempting to say. Right now, I don't even know what I was trying to say. I don't understand what you're trying ro say. I'll say something else. I'm a convert and a Trad. Latin rite is more authentic than the "new order" created and interpreted by the Modernist, gay, Communist priests. The RCC is part of the Catholic Church. It is NOT the Catholic Church. The head of the Catholic Church is the Bishop of Rome which is the RCC.
Maybe we're talking past each other. I'll blame the progressive education I grew up with. Stupid liberals destroy everything they touch including the Church.
@@classicalteacher I did understand what you were trying to say and are saying now. You can always improve your education on any topic. It just takes a desire to learn the truth, and by the grace of God, the intelligence to discern the truth from falsehood. I also had a progressive public school education. I don’t blame them as most people do what is comfortable and of the popular opinion. The education system is really no different. I really blame myself for any lack of understanding. As far as the novus ordo being less authentic than the Tridentine rite, this is false. It is the same authentic rite approved by the magisterium. The point I was trying to make about my previous message is that the very opinion that the Tridentine rite is more authentic than the novus ordo is prideful and not born out of humility. Humility would accept what we receive from the magisterium, and to go further, from Our Blessed Lord Jesus Himself. There are abuses and even heresies in some (minority) modern interpretations of the Vatican II Novus Ordo, but its authenticity is not lessened.
@@flaviusmacrobius1110 You are well-spoken. I am always trying trying to educate myself. One of my undergrad degrees is in Bible. I went through a 2 year course on the Catechism and graduated 3 years ago? Whatever... I trust the Catechism of the Council of Trent. Not the new Catechism. Satan got his 75 years to destroy the Church and he did a good job at infiltrating it. St. Michael pray for us. I still trust God is in control of His Church and His Church has gone through worse crap in the past, I just don't trust the modernists or their anti-Christ Socialist agenda. I still would have become Catholic even knowing all the trash inside of God's Church, but it does make me sad for all the horribly Catechized church-in-the-round Catholics that have forgotten their history and left for lack of substance Prot churches. Prots are heretics. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Muhammadans do not follow our God. Hindu and Buddhists do have have their own special way to God. Why do you think there is a resurgence back to the Traditional Latin Mass. None of this Nouvelle théologie/Bishop Baron infestation.
A lot of traditional Catholics found the truth of Orthodox Church and got baptized in Orthodoxy
Christian Orthodoxy is the most ancient and original form of Christianity
Perhaps you might frame the title a bit differently, since this didn't really directly answer why a Catholic can't just become Orthodox?
Based on your interview with Trent Horn, I now know, but it wouldn't be clear by this clip.
Been loving your interviews, as well as your solo instruction. It gives this Protestant so much to think about!
AT LEAST, since Vatican II, the Catholic Church has LEAD Catholics to indifferentism. This is clear from it's stand on Islam and Christianity having the same God, etc.
30 yrs as a protestant, 20 years as a Roman Catholic, Now I've finally come home to the TRUE Church of Orthodoxy where it all began! Im finally out of the forest and no longer lost!
KGB commie infiltrated schismatic Church. Congrats!
Praise God!
Which TRUE Church of Orthodoxy is that? The one with Kirill, or the one under Patriarch Bartholomew?
Now, by the way, the Ukrainian Orthodox are calling Kirill a heretic.
In short, you belong to “a” church; not “The” Church. Kinda like a Protestant.
im literally opposite of you. Im currently Syrian Oriental Orthodox but strongly considering Catholicism due to personal reason against my personal church but also other academic issues. My question which Orthodox church are you in?
@@roshinvarghese6879 Antiochian
Well I was a Roman Catholic and now I'm Converting to eastern orthodox Christianity ;). ☦❤
I’ve love to learn more about your journey, I’m Catholic but I’m very drawn to orthodoxy
@@mocha1886 That's great to hear!
I recommend you to talk to a father for information and go to liturgy, that's how you engage your true faith.
Come back to the Catholic Church. Or if anything go Byzantine Catholic
@@CopperheadAirsoft I tried to, but many fathers didn't gave me the help I needed, I still have great respect for them tho.
Wonderful video. A few points, not necessarily grounded in any theology. Just my general observations:
1) I find overwhelmingly that Catholics tend to be much more charitable towards EO brothers and sisters. The opposite is not typically the case. It reminds me of protestants going after Catholics with many shallow arguments/misunderstanding what the faith actually teaches.
2) Per point 1, EO seems to be the path many protestant converts take, EO tends to entertain disdain for all things "Catholic" and protestants find it easier to go the EO route than to submit to the authority of Rome- in essence they continue "protesting" while believing the bulk of what Catholics believe. "Anything but the Catholic Church"
3) EO is definitely unique in that it is mystical and timeless. It's as if the clock stopped ticking and things never kept moving forward. While this is very special and beautiful, it isn't reality. Times change and while the truth remains the same, different times/eras bring about new questions and dilemmas. I think of topics such as: divorce/remarrying, contraception, lack of councils post schism. The church is a living, breathing, and active entity that adapts to the needs of the time. Again, the truth never changes, but the church must respond to the demands of the times in a definitive manner- which the Catholic church has always done consistently on a world stage.
4) The western church is always looking for dialogue and to restore unity. The east tends to favor shutting out any talk of reconciliation. I find the west willing to come to the table to make this happen but with so many individual EO autonomous "churches" it makes it very difficult to achieve. There is much more animosity from the east towards the west.
5. Overall, Lack of evangelization from EO, historically speaking. The Christian Faith spread to every end of the world because of and through Catholic efforts, not EO church.
6. The evil of communism and it's conception and pervasiveness in the East. The errors of Russia, an Orthodox nation, has caused irreparable harm to the world (Fatima). It is the Western Church that has without compromise, time and time again spoken out against this evil.
Last overall point: In seeing how much the Catholic Church is attacked by what seems like everyone. And how there is a desire to see the Church crumble and implode from within, it seems obvious to me that Satan and his legions spend a whole lot of energy trying to destroy the Church. You don't attack what you aren't threatened by or concerned with.
We can be unite as one church again but the Roman Catholic church should abandon all their teachings that were not given by the apostles nor the church father neither concluded in the ecumenical councils.Church should only has one teaching, it is even more important than the unity issue.We Orthodox Church does very decentralised but we all hold the same faith,the same teaching given by the apostles and the church father.We didn't and will not chang anything of our teaching. Communion should based on the same doctrine but not obey to the Roman Pope.
Hmm. Im a ex Roman Catholic, Yes were in schism. Were not the same. Externally we look alike. After 23 years of my life as a Orthodox Christian theres no reason to return to Rome. Rome left long ago in 1054ad. Theres no reason for a false reunion. But this is interesting as I hope as many as can see the True Orthodox-Katholic Church convert. Even the pope can convert!
This video convinced me to go EO.
Why are these people obsessed with us?
you mean the Orthodox with the Catholics? I dont know but whenever I see one of these Orthodox scammer youtubers its always Catholic bashing
It's important to he in union with the Supreme Vicar of God.
Orthodoxy attracts me more but I believe in purgatory so what should I do?
Try Eastern Catholicism. They're technically Orthodox but are in communion with Rome while at the same time believing in purgatory
@@jak7138 this Sunday
@@TheDoomerGoGetter
This Sunday what? That you're going to stop by and Eastern Catholic Church?
@@jak7138 yes
You can, to some extent, believe in purgatory in the Orthodox Church. We certainly have the concept of a cleansing process as well and the opinions on the matter vary a bit. What we take an issue with (as far as I understand it) is purgatory as defined by the Papal dogma. Mostly because it's been defined as a literal fire and a 3rd place, distinct from Heaven and Hell.
if you try Greek and Russian. more authentic Orthodox first you will stay Orthodox because like you said we are the same without the infallibility of the Pope and the change of prayers and corruption of the Catholic Church. its like going back in time to the way our churches were before the split and they feel the connection. we both believe in saints and we both venerate the Virgin Mary. If the pope was not so corrupted we may have been still the same but then the Protestant would not have been born. Problem with them is that they completely taken out the saints and do not venerate the Virgin Mary and if your going to be a christian, you have to take the faith as is and not add or subtract from how it was given to us from the Apostles.
Orthodoxy is Orthodoxy. There is no "more authentic" rite.
I haven't joined the Eastern Orthodox Church because I understand that Orthodox church rejects dogma of immaculate conception.
Catholics can’t just become Orthodox?
Hold my beer.
(I’m an Orthodox catechumen, having left trad Catholicism)
Matt, I think you are a little incorrect about the thinking about Catholics and orthodox views. When I think of Catholicism, I think about the true dogma, implemented by a human institution guided by the Holy Spirit through the magisterium. When I think of orthodoxy, I think of EQUIVALENT THEOLOGY and DOGMA, but different human implementation of the dogma with no magisterium. In both theologies, the human elements are somewhat fallible. Looking at what I just wrote, you will see that orthodoxy is missing a magisterium. There is no magisterium led by a "pope." That amps up nationalistic divides in church culture (Greek vs Russian vs Antioch vs Ukrainian etc etc). Such nationalism has no place in church theological practices and is, in fact, much more muted in Catholicism. Therefore, I believe the orthodox left the true church in the schism in 1054, not the other way around, though I also think the schism was caused less by theological differences than on cultural differences. The fact is, the filioque and the pope in charge are more ego issues than dogmatic chasms. In short, Catholicism recognizes this and opens its sacraments to the orthodox. But not the other way around - so maybe self preservation concerns are in both churches as well. I think both denominations should at last put on their big boy pants and sign a reunification pact since only the practices are different reflections of the same dogmas. And - !! - practices CAN be different - look at eastern Catholicism services which, I believe, you Matt attend on Sundays.....
You should really study Pre-schism Church history. Objectively, Orthodoxy is The One True Church and Rome fell away.
@@MrWesford Well, I disagree. I'll stick with the chair of Peter as established by Christ, take comfort in a saving purgatory, profess Marion miracles and dogma, and relish the consistency that authority on earth brings with it. Without it, EO churches diverge over time. Church history, the earlier you go, is deeply RC. God bless!
If they will try to unite again, it would ends like after Florence council. Because the people are not ready to unite.
If I were already Catholic I don't think I would consider Orthodoxy, even with all the scandals and Pope Francis etc. But as a recent convert currently attending RCIA, I feel more and more drawn towards Orthodoxy the more I look into it, and I hear almost no convincing arguments from the Catholic side. It's confusing to say the least.
What would you think of an Eastern Catholic Church?
@@jeremysmith7176 I thought about it. Problem is that there is none around me. Same for Orthodoxy tho, or more precisely, the only Orthodox church has only its service in Russian.
Funny thing is that the Catholic Parish I attend hosts a monastic fraternity, and both the decoration of the Church and the Liturgy are inspired by the oriental rite. Also one of the four priests has a beard, so I have that going for me, which is nice.
@@clebs1261 Where are you located if you don't mind me asking? If you're in the US there has to be an Eastern Catholic Church that you could attend whenever you're able to. That way, you'll be going to a Roman Catholic Church regularly, but still have the option to visit the Eastern one whenever you have time to travel a bit longer to get there.
Also, are you more drawn towards Orthodoxy because of certain objections to Catholicism (theology-wise)? or Is it only because you find Orthodox churches to be more traditional?
@@Vanessa1 I live in France. The reasons are both theological, aesthetical and "political"
@@clebs1261 There's a good amount of Maronites (Eastern Catholics) in France, maybe you could find a Church somewhere in your area. As to theology, I'd say it would be a good idea to discuss those concerns in RCIA and if not, then I'd recommend just taking the time to look up UA-cam videos that deal with those topics, as well as reading the Catechism and the Early Church Fathers writings. I'm not sure what you mean in Aesthetics exactly, but I'd recommend attending TLM if you haven't yet. I don't know much about Politics so I can't really give you any advice for that. I hope you'll find the answers you're looking for soon, God bless!
If you watch enough videos on Sentinel "OrthoDox", you know the grass isn't greener on the other side.
What these RCC apologists tend to fail to understand is the utter mindset change that’s needed. They all still view life in Christ and theology in very Western ways. Especially Michael Lofton, who’s convinced he understands Orthodoxy, but doesn’t know the mind and heart behind it.
Eastern Orthodoxy is the true church
Not going to argue here which is right in this comment. But what i will say that no catholic should become Orthodox because of all the things going on, i know Orthodox priest that would say the same, its not a reason to convert. Yes i was roman catholic but now eastren Orthodox, my reason was i kept searching hostory in the church and came more and more across orthodoxy, listen to many debates between the 2 churches etc.... so if your fed up i would say dont make a change, but if you look into orthodoy and come to believe then yes. And i agree we cant say its ok to be eithier or. I have to say to Matt i repsect your channel even though we may never agree, you have shown great respect to anyone that comes on your program or in talking about orthodoxy you speak with respect. But yes for me i believe in the Orthodox faith.
Protestant here. I did not hear a substantive reason why a Roman Catholic should not become Orthodox. Did I miss something?
God bless you brother Eric for defending our catholic faith
Yes I can lol
Me too!
The main factors of the Church splitting in 1054, was the supremacy of the pope, unleavened bread, the mass being said Greek, and the filique clause
Become
0:41 And beards. Lotsa beards. Oh? That joke's been told a gazillion times before? Alright nvm
The sinlessness of the Theotokos? Don’t Orthodox Christians reject the Immaculate Conception?
We believe Mary is sinless, that's something we share with catholicism. We reject the dogmatization of the immaculate conception and certain aspects of original sin as defined by the Catholic church.
@@hesoswag1697 You and I had eternal life in the garden of paradise. We had everything we could possibly ever need or want for all eternity. What happened? Now we must hunger, now we must languish in these aging bodies and await that terrible day we expire. Only if we love God with all our heart and soul and obey his commandments will paradise be restored to us. But why must it be restored? When and how did we lose paradise?
I am a Catholic, but do not agree with this at all. Converting to Orthodoxy is not necessarily "opening the door to indifferentism." Not if you think Orthodox ecclesiology is TRUE! And as far as "indifferentism" goes, that is found more in the Vatican II documents and the post-Vatican II Church. There may be good reasons to not go Orthodox, but fear of embracing indifferentism is not one of them.
A true Catholic submits to the Pope, even if you don't like his off the cuff remarks, or his smile, or even his beer belly!
Was there Not chaos at the time of Peter and the apostles? Was there not chaos at the time of Noah while building the ark? No one wanted to submit to noah because he was hairy & stinky & acting crazy. But it was God's will that the people do so. But Nope, EVERYONE "KNEW" BETTER! Just like TODAY!
Trust God, not the pope, while Respecting & Loving & submitting to the Pope. Knowing the Holy spirit (GOD) is guiding the church. God bless you all. Stay catholic until ur final day. It is the church Christ built! All the rest are more or less partial pieces of the one church.
Orthodox is based , returning to Christianity I'm gladly taking orthodoxy over returning to Catholicism
You sure can be! The point is to follow Jesus the right way not to stick to an erroneous ideology ❤️
Erroneous theology? One cannot be A Catholic or Orthodox at the same time, because Orthodoxy denies some key dogmas, Papal Infallibility, Papal Supremacy, which is biblical, and the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. The view of purgatory is not the same even between us. I wouldn’t call it erroneous theology, not at all. I think that does a disservice to almost three thousand years of patristics, dogmatic theology and the sum of Christian Doctrine.
@@cardinalbubxiii803 papal supremacy is demonic.
Why catholic channel dig their hole to bury themselves?
yeah right - lets just close all doors - btw: the world couldnt care less - I’d suggest get your tribe a bunker - thats never the way for catholicism
Oh boy! It is hilarious reading the comments from Roman Catholics with beams stuck in their eyes.
Eastern Catholicism
That’s what the Byzantine and Ukrainian Catholic Churches are for, you have all of the same beautiful images and icons, the same ancient beautiful prayers, and a robust liturgy and still be in communion with Rome 😊
Pints with Aquinas spends way too much time bashing Orthodox and refusing to admit the schism growing under Francis. I left the RC Church 15 years ago and am very happy. Please stop bashing us Matt.
"As soon as we admit that it's ok to be catholic or to be orthodox"
LMAO no wonder you aren't attracting the Youth with that rhetoric
Catholics wouldn't do that.
Well...and orthdox preast from the US said is ok to vote Trump. I agree with him, he also mentioned what Trump did and did not. If there any Catholic people pro-Trump, now they have another reason to join the orthodox faith.
I couldn’t care less
No disrespect, but Ybarra is a goofball lol.
You’ve already embraced ecumenism. Your catechism says we worship the same God as the Muslims, Vatican II is the most ecumenical trap door.
Really? Your religion is a "try-it-out" religion?? THAT'S the most ridiculous thing I've heard today!!! 🤪🤪🤪
Because you will lose your soul in the Eastern Heterodox "Church"
Kind of the opposite. 😊
Orthodoxy is the only way! Rome is false.
Really? Your religion is a "try-it-out" religion?? THAT'S the most ridiculous thing I've heard today!!! 🤪🤪🤪