The BIG Game Changer or Not? Snapdragon X Elite Review - ASUS Vivobook S 15 Review
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Snapdragon X Elite benchmarks & ASUS Vivobook S 15 (S5507) Full in-depth Review. ARM powered Snapdragon X Elite 12 core with Adreno graphics. Pricing and more info: asus.click/s5507_chris
00:00 - Intro
00:56 - Weights and what's included
01:35 - Keyboard and touchpad
04:41 - Webcam sample using Ai Studio Effects
06:14 - Ports and thickness
07:35 - Loudspeaker sample
07:55 - Teardown look at internals
09:47 - 120Hz 3k OLED screen
11:33 - The new Gen of Ai ARM chipsets
13:05 - Snapdragon X Elite benchmarks, Geekbench 6, Timespy, Wildlife and Cinebench
15:55 - SSD speeds and thermals
17:36 - Fan noise full performance mode and load at 45W TDP
17:44 - 4k video decoding VP9, 4k video editing and encoding times
18:51 - Copilot+ PC features test
22:15 - X86/X64 gaming emulation test of Adreno graphics DX11
23:21 - Linux support and battery life is it better than X86?
24:24 - Final words with Pros and Cons - Наука та технологія
The trend of downward firing speakers just hurts my soul.
at least they include the 3.5 mm jack
Huawei does but upwards from the keyboard and the ProArt 16 from ASUS so not sure why they didn’t also give it upwards firing.
downward firing gives better sound effect when the sound hit the surface. This is my subjective opinion. But samsung book edge 4 has better downward firing speaker
it sounds great when you have ear to the desk
@@Techtablets it's their Budget range laptop. They are keeping upward firing designs for zenbooks and proart series. It's the same with most manufacturers now.
Your review is the one I've been waiting for! Thanks for your work Chris!
My pleasure!
The master reviewer, always thorough and highly informative.
Glad you think so! Thanks for your support and watch! 🙏
@@Techtabletsthe video editing in comparison to m3 mac. Can this compare? How come the macs have gpus so much better
That webcam looks like front camera of smartphone. Dang good
We really appreciate your efforts in reviewing products. Thank you for providing honest reviews.
Thanks for sharing and watching. Yes I try to cover everything and also what I didn’t like about it or any problems. That’s what reviews should also cover not just 100% positive things.
@@Techtablets agreed, that's why you are my go-to reviewer. At first, I will search it on your channel, if I can't find then I will go to other channels.
Your Vids are Always Informative, i learn a lot, Thanks Chris!! Im a user of older model Thinkpads, currently have 10 various models and counting!!
hot take: many notebooks suck not because of x86 chips but because of bad cooling with terrible fan curves and bad firmware with broken sleep states, bad power profiles etc and im sure manufacturers will manage to fuck this up with ARM chips as well
Yes with some brands definitely they let them get too hot with poor cooking and so they throttle like crazy.
It is easier to make a new better design from scratch.
Lol keep convincing yourself Intel fanboy 🤣 lmao
@@fireWireX4 I hate Intel however he is right on point. We live in rotten capitalism and everything that is not super high end will end up sucking hard, including laptops. So if you don't shell a fortune on something on average you get crap. The initial review samples are not crap of course, they will be super high end samples. It will start to creep slowly as competition grows, the first thing to happen to divert money to shareholders is to lower product quality to the bare minimum acceptable to average consumers. This works because only those that shell a lot of money are willing to reseach first. So you sell crap but present your super high end and they think they bought something good. While the pros that shell for super high end still get super high end and don't complain. This works for many different products, take nVidia for example: 4090 good overpriced card, 4060 cheap overpriced piece of shit, both are overpriced, but most 4060 owners dont think so because the super high end is much more expensive, so they think they have a good priced midrange gpu.
Was waiting for this. Exciting times!
Detailed review from Chris as usual
Much appreciated!
very detail review, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
"Fan noise has been FANtastic!". Well played, Chris.
Ah yes 😂🤣
Good stuff!!
Thanks! Did you also get one? I have yet to look at others videos just been too flat out 🤣
Waiting for more🙏🏾
Love your review. Thanks
Lol the camera eye contact forcer is the perfect way to cheat on an online exam lol 🤣
This is wild😂
yeah, so no more online exams or only with some very intrusive software ...
I did this with NVDIA AI free software. 😂
Nice review, as always.
I'll try this chipset in the future when the processor get more support.
Wow, the cam image quality is great! I will wait for the black or dark grey version.
I have never clicked on a review so fast...😂😂😂
😂
Very interesting review. Thanks
Thanks for the review !
An ARM64 version of HWMonitor exists that should show a couple of temperatures for that new SoC.
Very exciting development, thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for posting this video
Great machine and review ❤
Thanks for the in-depth review
..oh for the noise test, there's no reference audio maybe place the mouse next to the laptop and click the button a couple of times.
excellent review, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
of all the reviewers, i was waiting for this one , along with dave2d
Thanks. Hope it was helpful!
@@Techtablets very much so. I prolly won't be buying the first gen but I'm glad that apple has some competition in this field. Hopefully they will eventually support more apps and games in the future too
2024 is an amazing year for laptop processors. Besides the Snapdragon X Elite, we have the new Zen 5 APUs with RDNA 3.5 iGPUs, and well as the new Intel Lunar lake chips with Xe2 iGPUs.
You are great as always. I've reviewed the Galaxy Book 4 Edge 14" and I had similar issues with gaming.
How did you get Copilot to work? It is not appearing on my laptop, nor Recall. I have Cocreate, live subtitles and webcam improvements with AI.
I want to review that new ARM Galaxy book with the 2 core turbo boost X Elite that can do 2800 single core score in Geekbench 6. Would be a bit better than this models speed.
@@Techtablets CUrious which region did you choose when starting the Asus? With Spain enabled, I do not have Copilot, and it happens the same to Germans
We need this power in smartphone now
Oh now that would be something with Type-C video out run it as my desktop that would be amazing!
Oh we will, with Qualcomm 8 Gen 4
@@raykyledecastro6083 I think it will not be the chip, it will be the LPDDR6 which is limiting not only smartphones but also snapdragon X elite
In smartpone..? Didn't you heard the fan noise.. or are you not a human, who easily can hold a 55°C phone in his hand..?
Meh, I'm fine with my s24 and dex
Hey there! Have you tried testing it out with an eGPU? Looking forward to switch, but if it doesn't support one, I might call it off for now.
I'll be tiring it soon I also had this question btu the video got a little too long.
All it need to do is being compatible with existing apps, be good with battery, slim, good webcam, and more importantly, price competitive! good review! i think it would a banger for casual users who are not into apple
Does anyone know what the power consumption number was during those benchmarks?
thanks for detailed review, one issue with intel/AMD apus is they can't handle dual display 4k with 120hertz it gets limited to 4k/60hertz, I wonder if the X-elite can handle this ? since 120hertz is much healthier for eye sight then 60hertz is.
Great review! Still has a ways to go but it can only get better from here! Could you try out game emulation on it? Wii-U, PS3, Xbox/360?
You are right those keycaps are a nightmare. I had a client that was pushing 60 and she had to return the hp laptop because of the silver keycaps. On laptops I think black with backlit keycaps are the best.
With you on that even at 40 I struggle with them at certain angles I think it should have been black key caps.
May I ask what camera are you using to film yourself?
Sure! It's old now, a Sony A6400 and sigma 16mm F1.4
That eye contact feature is truly amazing
yeah that's gonna be handy in meetings when I have to read out something notes on the desk
@@itsmilan4069 same. Good for reading notes.
does this have hardware raytracing? Blender acceleration ?
Speedy and professional as usual :)
One important note that's missing regarding the performance: this is the slowest X1E 78 (3.4 GHz), so some of these scores in other devices with 80 (4.0 GHz dual-core boost) may be significantly higher.
...not significantly from what I have seen--inconsistent based on Twitter. If you are lucky you may get higher scores but it appears OEMs are downgrading performance in favour of efficiency and heat.
Thank you. That's correct, so it will be a ncie boost that one that turbos a bit higher about 2800 single core score Geekbench 6.
Can the live translate feature export the generated subtitles (including timestamps) into a .srt file?
Hi, didn't see that option so I don't think so just yet. Might need a 3rd party app or MS API that would allow it.
Great review. Out of curiosity can you test UA-cam 8k60 playback decoding? I know it's not an 8K panel. 👀👀 Also does it support 4K120 HDR output to an external monitor? (Not for gaming)
It has a HDMI 2.1 port, so should easily run a 4K monitor at 120 Hz.
It's the pirt that decides, not the computer itself.
@@akyhne thx but that's not always true though since companies are allowed to support only part of the hdmi 2.1 spec but still call the port 2.1 for marketing. Samsung's Galaxy Edge arm laptop for example only supports 4k60 from its hdmi 2.1* port.
Excellent review. As always.
Hoping there will be a linux tablet.
Oled 3k 10 - 13 inch .
4k would be even nicer, I like overkill.
Second ssd slot woud be great.
Would you like it to make coffee too? 😁
@@eraytekgoz9778 That would be fantastic. I think you're on to something. Better patent that idea.
@@behappybevegan thank you but love my macbook. But everthing is possible
How about testing the performance on battery versus plugged in?
Hi, are you able to enable charging limiter up to 80% level in myasus app?
Yes.
Hopefully, they will fix the SSD heat, as that will age the storage much faster than it should. A design flaw and early adopters may end up stuck with a machine that has issues.
I'm sure they will add a thick heatsink and fix that. It's not hard. But it was odd to see it had no form of cooling even if it's not a super fast PCIe 4.0 drive.
Good job doing a thorough review as usual. Think Im more excited about the upcoming Lunar Lake setup which will give native 60fps 1080p AAA gaming without having to worry about finding native support for Arm. Have a feeling this will be the constant theme when getting this laptop; it willl always be, is there native Arm support? if not, then we are getting performance that's 3 years behind. Witcher 3 at 720p 30fps is just woeful. As for AI, it's just a matter of time before NVidia release AI implementation to existing RTX dGpus. When that happens 40 Tops will be a joke. Longer battery life is a big plus, but if that only applies to when doing youtube viewing and light browsing, i can get that by using my ipad/tablet. In order for new hardware to succeed, you need a killer app. Apple on arm is successful because the Apple ecosystem is that killer app. AI functionality is being trumpeted here as the sine quo non of windows pc. Well, not quite. It is not doing anything new here that is not already done better on existing and upcoming x86 platforms. With that said, have to give thumbs up to Microsoft marketing this time around, big improvement over previous iterations of windows on Arm. But ultimately, AI, Copilot reality here doesn't live up to the hype.
Lunar Lake and Strict point will be interesting. I agree with your comments all valid points! Thanks for watching.
The camera quality looks amazing
Great review, can´t wait for Linux laptops running on ARM without the spy-copilot BS
Yes Linux support once added will be great on this hardware!
How much performance difference on battery vs plugges in?
Thank you review
My pleasure
21:11 I wonder if these image queries are pre-generated, i saw another video of a person also reviewing this laptop and drawing a house on a hill and getting those 2 exact images. Although I will say the oil painting was different from the one on his unit
Thanks for sharing the single core performance. The other "reviewers" went out off their way to not mention it at all cost... and now that we can see it I know why.
Battery life is good though, cannot take that away from the product but the app transition is going to take a while.. so maybe we by gen 2-3, software wise, things are more practical.
does it have a fingerprint sensor?
I agree with you on your criticism to the silver keyboard. Only for me it's not a minor issue. It looks good but it's highly impractical.
Yes it's a not a major deal breaker but I feel it should have been grey or black key caps.
Unreal Engine and compiling for x86?
18:29
THX - so I can wait for lunar lake for my next NB.
I was thinking the exact same thing. LOL....
@@williamcopeland2617 Mobile CPUs are good enough for daily tasks, since years. Everybody know that.
Question is: For which software do I need more power?
For me: Foto editing and resolve. Foto editing isnt optimized whatever software you choose. Resolve is in terms of Quick sync or just raw GPU power.
My hope is I can get rid of my hated MBA M1 16GB - but it is unbeatable for the price! Yes sounds crazy, I know. I paid 1000€ (3 days old). No other NB can give me that smoothness while editing and exporting.
23:13 I wonder how will fsr affect the performance we did got the new that it's somewhat supported
I couldn't disable it or see where to stop that Ai upscale. I guess I should have dropped my desktop to 720p to stop it. It was late and I was very pushed to get this video out the embargo was 8 hours ago.
It's a fine review but I would expect more from someone like you. In my opinion benchmark comparisons & charts are missing as well as a decent battery test
Does AutoCAD, montage programs, and SketchUp work on this processor?
I’ll have to test those but I don’t see why they wouldn’t pretty much everything works but you want native arm versions if possible for the best performance. So they have arm ports?
@@Techtablets Thanks for the response, you are really great
The webcam quality is impressive!
It's good yes.
Man this decade has been so nice for laptops - arm chips, OLED, 120hz, virtually all touchpads are really good with Windows precision, and keyboards are very decent nowadays as well.
Great review! I agree with you on that gaming performance on x86 emulation is not good, but also it seems there's 4 different versions of the Snapdragon X Elite, and the one in this laptop is at the very bottom of the list (the CPU cores don't boost at all, and neither does the GPU.) Qualcomm should be more clear about this in their marketing materials.
Yes it's not clear at all this is the cheapest chip so no top 4.0Ghz turbo.
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Thanks
How well does Counter Strike 2 run on this?
in the cpu-z show, cache L3 no ?
Thanks for review, NGL this battery life is not good enough to tempt me. Will wait for incoming Intel and AMD and see how they pan out. Qualcomm really needed to push these out earlier (although hold up may have been on Windows end I guess).
Lol are you delusional?
You will get 3-4 hours less in intel or amd laptop in the same config and same set of tests
Next time use your brain before you comment
Do you usually lie?
I have to agree. 10 hours of reported battery life is totally underwhelming. I've seen the latest intel and amd laptops easily surpass that. I'm very disappointed.
5:42 😂 NGL that feels more like disney filter
It does yes and was kinda scary!!! 😧
Do you usually lie?
Waiting for Intel lunar lake Soc, Qualcomm will be on my bucket list when we get x elite-gen 3
...i wonder if the USB4 (type c) supports eGPU, knowing its an ARM System...🤔
Well windows shwos an external GPU but no Nvidia drivers for ARM It seems. Maybe an external AMD or Intel GPU would work if there are ARM drivers for them?
I'm only interested on Linux on those machines.
Will check in a future! Kernel 6.11 seems to be the one for what Qualcomm claimed.
2:55 yeah I prefer black or even grey keycaps with light coloured laptops
Just think grey would have been better but oh well.
That Eye Contact feature would hide a lot of liars. Their shifty eyes would now look not shifty anymore .. 😮
Haha it would yes.. 😮
why you didn't mention about the ram consumed by Windows ARM, it is about 11 GB, so I think the 32 GB RAM machine is a must
so if the game are arm native, will the 3d performance double or only around 10-20% increase? because as i learned, the gpu tflop are only half of radeon 780m.
Around that figure yes. The GPU isn’t the greatest
@@Techtablets thanks. so if snapdragon want to come into handheld, maybe it only holds for retro gaming i guess, just like z1 non extreme
If anything the screen is bloody amazing
Clicked on the link for pricing and it's only available with Windows Home. Odd.
did you remove the stickers? Looks great!
Didn't come with them. And no McAfee!
@@Techtablets Do you use davinci resolve as well? How does it perform? :D Thanks!
Damn that webcam looks good
Apart from the stitching a times.
Around 2-3 hours battery backup gain over an Intel / AMD laptops is kinda depressing honestly. I was expecting an all day battery life. Also, kinda sad to see Linux could not be run on this, but I am hopeful that will be possible soon.
Not yet I hope Qualcomm will fix it. As for the battery it’s a welcomed gain going from say 6:30 to 9-10 hours is a big jump
@@Techtablets True, the battery time jump is significant. Thing is, I kept reading stuff like dell xps 13 with snapdragon is going to give 26 hours battery, and so on. Expectations were a bit too high. But then again, the high res oled screen could be the one to actually blame in this case. With a 1080p non-oled display, we might actually get all day battery life.
Do test the Linux builds once it's working! From what I can tell, Qualcomm has not fully made Linux working on it yet, it boots and GPU and what not works, but they claim in their own blog post that 6.10/6.11 would be the stable one. So hopefully you can test it once those kernels are released onto stable for use, perhaps on something that uses rolling release like Arch. I do know that they provide a modified version of Debian 12 for testing as well
Hopefully I just had no option to boot to a pen drive so when I can and the new builds I’m keen to see how it would run.
@@Techtabletsthat sounds awful. The oem's wants to do the same as the phones. That was my big warning of ARM on pc's. Bootloaders restrictions.
@@Techtablets I bought one, tried it using Fedora 40, but the kernel seems to crash and force a reboot. The way to boot to a pendrive is by holding the ESC button while switched off and then press the power button. Keep holding ESC until you get the menu. Got this from an Asus online guide for an older laptop. I get the boot options for installing Fedora or trying it first, only used the "try first" now and that crashes.
I don't intend to be rude, but what's your accent? I've never heard it but seems kinda similar to Aussie but not quite, it has to be NZ, SA or Canada right? Great review tho. Would like to see battery tests with other windows and when m series macs.
New Zealand you got it.
Snapdragon X review by TechTablets! This is going to be lit! 🔥
Thanks for watching. A bit of a long one since it's the new ARM chip and I wanted to show more about it.
@@Techtablets It's the long in-depth review that I wanted. Thanks!
Did you try an egpu?
No driver support for my Nvidia card.
It would be nice to know if it is easy to install GNU/Linux
Mention near the end I could not boot to external drive. Qualcomm right now doesn't support linux.
Maybe the hardware acceleration can be solved by ZLUDA a project which started to make intel graphics use Nvidia technology. Now works fully with AMD GPU. It may possible to compile it for Adreou gpu.
I hope so.
Av1 Codec not included...
I pre-ordered this one because my laptop's hinge broke and I didn't feel like spending money on another x86 laptop when mine still runs fine. I really do hope they will allow you to disable secure boot sooner rather than later, because I am primarily a Linux user. I'll manage with WSL though.
You can turn it off in the advanced settings sorry, but it was to then select to boot an external USB Pen drive it would not sure this option. Even boot order and boot settings. Nothing. I think Qualcomm doesn't support this yet or ASUS's bios needs to add that option.
@@Techtablets I see. Would be a bummer if they force you on Windows 11.
@GoldenBeholden the problem here is the averange user isn't go to claim this as a issue. And this is a clear market problem.
Looking forward to some E-GPU reviews to see if the Adreno can be replaced in an ARM Native environment like Unreal Editor. We know whereabout the SoC's priced, and the first wave of Windows ARM laptops cost way too much... I'll wait for Zen 5...
No luck. It's detected but no Nvidia ARM driver support it seems. Unless I don't know where to look but I can't find it.
@@Techtablets Thank you so much!
I was hoping for more driver support (all around from the advertisement campaign) , but it looks like I'll be choosing between Zen 5 and Lunar Lake for my next work PC.
That battery life result is disappointing. Looks like only the X Elite can match Apple M3 in performance, but then it falls quite short in efficiency.
Still, I would be so happy with an X Plus Windows laptop that matches Macbook Air M1 in battery life and performance.
i wish you tested davinci resolve instead adobe premier pro since there is beta version of resolve that supported by snapdragon x elite which would have showed what hardware is capable of in video editing
wait.. are you saying copilot runs locally and don't need to connect to the internet?
The Copilot plus features run locally, any other feature runs over the internet.
So, the draw me a house feature (plus) requires no internet, but asking a question does (non plus).
At lrast, that's my understanding.
The eye contact ai feature is kinda creepy for me, but I think you wouldn't notice in a call.
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤❤
It is very pity you have not compared captions. Of course YT has translation into many many languages, much more then Copilot but accuracy would be interesting.
Yes well there was so much to cover I didn't want the video to be over 30 minutes, it almost was!
Am having an issue on mine with the WiFi constantly dropping.....idk what is going on 😭😭😭
Mines been fine I have a Wifi 6E router.
How's the fan noise?
It's in the video but it's very good until you benchmark it or game then it's loud. But most of the time dead quite fan off or barely audible.
Ubuntu and Windows Dual Boot.
Great !!! Please Continue and Compare.
MacOS and Windows Dual Boot is Possible here?
There is no timeline for Recall to come to market. Gone back to beta previews to try and fix the security and privacy flaws. I suspect it may not come until Q3 at the earliest.
It might need some time yes.
I hope it never ever comes back. It's straight up spyware.
recall got recalled, so no one knows lol
It's sad you didn't make any battery life tests, like pcmark or just playing youtube till it's off (
PCmark tests coming, but I was basing this off my own tests working on it with 30% brightness.
I have the Asus Zenbook Duo 2024. since March The second screen failed. It's already spent 2 weeks awaiting undisclosed parts with Asus's repair partner in the UK. The RMA process and communication has been dreadful. I'd put a hold on buying any Asus products until they improve their customer and RMA processes. This is coming from a loyal Asus customer here. PS Great review and attention to detail as always!
Oh that's terrible! Thanks for letting us know so it jist failed no reason at all? Sounds like a ribbon cable or something must have failed not good at all and very disappointing plus the RMA process.
@Techtablets the latest reply today from Asus: "Hello Francis,
Thank you for your response.
The unit was sent in with damage on the bottom case and the damage has also impacted the mainboard and the OLED module.
I have emailed the repair centre to push this repair forward.
I hope this helps.
If you have any further questions, please do let me know.
Kind Regards,
Michael_W"
It was perfect when handed over. This is now a common experience to blame the customer and not honour the warranty and attempt to charge. I've already contacted Chris Walker the UK Marketing Director. It's sad to see such atrocious service. It's practically fraudulent. Have you seen the recent video content from @Gamers Nexus? It failed for no reason at all, some internal defect in the second screen.
A very similar build laptop with 16GB is from Intel at $1k. An M3 Air is $1.6k. Qualcomm undercutting Apple but definitely not Windows laptops. Applications almost not a problem with Arm chips nowadays except x86/PC gaming. If there is a niche for this, it's business/travel laptop than can also do Arm/smartphone gaming very well. I'd expect the Microsoft Store to finally become more useful. Nice if you could test some Arm games like Genshin or Diablo Immortal.
Apple, Intel and AMD have all recently been discounting, so the price of the M3 MB Air is far from what you can get it for. I have seen £200-300 off for 16GB/512GB MB Air M3 on Amazon. It is very close to the Vivobook and undercutting some of the other X-Elite chips. Also, big discounts on the M3 MB Pro 14, around £300.
Spot on my own thinking there if you don't game then it's good, a good 300-400 USD cheaper and better battery life with Ultra 9 185H performance CPU wise. I will see if this has interest I might work on a gaming test with some native games. Plus test if my eGPU RTX 4090 will even work.
Oh and yes everything seems to run it's just a matter of if the hardware acceleration will work for GPU tasks like CAD and video editing as Adobe for my video editor works fine with ARM but no hardware acceleration for encoding. It will come eventually it's just a matter of time.
@@andyH_England thanks but that was US pricing and I made a mistake. 15inch M3 Air is $1,700 with 16GB, 512GB SSD!
@@Techtablets Other reviewers talk about problems with games D4 etc. It looks like Prism is crap. If x86 soft will not work properly ARM will fail. IMHO. So waiting for MS next steps.