AVP: Alien vs. Predator (2004) - Why It Failed To Live Up To Expectations (Review/Retrospective)
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- Alien and Predator are two of cinema's greatest monsters. Each franchise fits perfectly in with the other, so why did the highly anticipated 2004 film disappoint?
This is a brief retrospective and review of Paul W.S. Anderson's AVP: Alien vs. Predator, a look at what went wrong and the impact the film had on both creature's respective series.
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In 2019, it's safe to say that Covenant and The Predator were both lacklustre and have failed at reenergising both franchises.
Indeed. Everything related to prometheus should be discarded. Forgotten.
Man they both sure messed that up I just think people are too into the superhero era which is fine to each their own but man they really drop the ball on these films
@@aisutistoto5771 ooga booga science/philosophy hard, alien stab stab easy.
they were designed to destroy the franchises.
consider this before you call me a conspiracy theorist:
-conspiracy theories now have a better track record then CNN.
-these movies subvert literally everything established in earlier films;
the alien is no longer alien, it is man made.
the alien is no longer distinguished by it's life cycle, robbing it of literally everything that makes it what it is.
the spacejockey is no longer alien, and everything interesting about it is now a suit.
scientists are religious zealots willing to gamble lives on a belief, and the least scientific.
the cutthroat corporation WY is no longer interested in money above and beyond all things,
and thereby robbed of it's only function in the movies.
everything that was once the mystery that was the core of the franchise is explained and exposed
to the point of becoming boring and mundane, and everything that happened in earlier movies
has been negated or changed and all of the threat has been reassigned to humanity's own self destructive nature.
why does it have these things in common with every major sci fi franchise right now?
Covenant and the Predator were worse than avp in my opinion
*Back when we looked forward to Alien: Covenant and the Predator being released.*
Innocent times...
Wolf is the best Predator design we’ve gotten
Honestly, I kinda like the first one. That shot where the predator ship flies overhead above a worker and the wind is muffled is really cool
Oh yeah, that one cool scene 😆
And that 360 degree spin at the end,when the predator spears the queen xenomorph is awesome as well
One thing comes to mind: PG13
I’m more of a Predator fan than a Alien tbh, I say Predator is absolute classic and inspiration for me personally (to bring back the Predator to his roots in my fan film script of Predator Bad Blood), Predator 2 is in my mind is the most underrated sequel ever, Predators is another underrated sequel and doesn’t get the hate it deserves.
I love both franchises so at first I though ok Paul ws Anderson because of mortal mom at event horizon and the first resident evil I thought on maybe they could make a good avp no I thought it was horrible and I’d rather of had a movie done by James Cameron and Ridley Scott than this doo doo and got Robert Rodriquez’s predator three back in the 90s
AvP was fine imo. Now, AvP: Requiem was HORRIBLE!
yes
Avp had potential. It really needed to be rated R. I kinda wished they made it on a different planet. Something about it being on earth doesn’t fit.
should have been made in the late 90's.
They had scripts they were working on in the early nineties that’s why weaver wanted ripley to die for 3 so they couldn’t make her do avp
avp alien vs predator was a good movie in my opinion and the charaters are actually kind of likable probably Alexa I'm mean she was kind of cool
I'm glad you like it. I think the characters are ok, but none of them stand out to me aside from Weyland and Lex, and Weyland is just cast aside at the beginning of the third act.
thanks buddy and plus I talk to my friend at school and said that she loved everything about the movie.
Nicolas Pajuelo That great! Don't think that my opinion invalidates yours or your friend's or anyone else, everyone has their own preferences and personal tastes, don't ever apologize for liking the things you like :)
well I did like the first movie but not the second movie because the screen was dark, and the plot makes no sense at all
thank you
About Alien:Covenant and THE Predator:"Should both prove successful...."
They were not.
Nope.not at the box office but covenant was LEAGUES better than “the predator” hell its my second favourite alien film.
Its the writing that backs up both of those creatures. They can look cool, do cool shit. But if it doesnt make sense, or sounds stupid. Unfortunately that cool factor doesnt bode well. Thats why the comics n games work, because theres more room creativity
The part that really pissed me off was how both Alien and Predators thrive in hot environments, yet this is in the coldest part of the world. WTF?
Oddly, I preferred AVP to Prometheus. It was more fun. Shallow and thin it may be, but it's a decent romp that doesn't really pretend to be saying anything profound about Lucifer or Satan or Creation. Some of the sets are amazing. I love the shot of the sea-vessel powering its way to the whaling station through the ice. I found the Aliens to be interesting characters. I liked the way they moved. And as an Ancient Aliens sort of film, I appreciated its attempt to place the story's plot in some sort of historical context. It was a sort of fan-film that I thought somewhat displayed a love for the Aliens and their nature. Of course, Scott has dumped all over it, which I can sort of understand. As for what J Cameron thinks, have you seen this at www.aintitcool.com/node/22405 I'll leave it to more skilled sleuths than me to determine if this interview is authentic. There are some great bits in it that, in retrospect, are loaded with irony.
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QUINT: I remember before Paul W.S. Anderson did ALIEN VS PREDATOR it came out that you kind of made an offer to do another ALIEN film with Ridley Scott...
JAMES CAMERON: Yeah. Ridley and I talked about doing another ALIEN film and I said to 20th Century Fox that I would develop a 5th ALIEN film. I started working on a story, I was working with another writer and Fox came back to me and said, "We've got this really good script for ALIEN VS PREDATOR and I got pretty upset. I said, "You do that you're going to kill the validity of the franchise in my mind." Because to me, that was FRANKENSTEIN MEETS WEREWOLF. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other.
QUINT: Milking it, totally.
JAMES CAMERON: Milking it. So, I stopped work. Then I saw ALIEN VS PREDATOR and it was actually pretty good. (laughs) I think of the 5 ALIEN films, I'd rate it 3rd.
QUINT: Ummm...
JAMES CAMERON: I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot.
QUINT: You know, I hate it when movies don't abide by the continuity of their series...
JAMES CAMERON: When they make up their own rules.
QUINT: Exactly. They did that a lot with the alien incubation time, where from egg to chestbuster it happened...
JAMES CAMERON: In minutes, yeah...
QUINT: That kind of stuff really pissed me off with the movie...
JAMES CAMERON: Well, it starts to become a video game. It's like, "Okay, that can be in him and that can show up over here..." It becomes more metaphorical or more comic book. I don't mean comic book in a negative way, I just mean that it's working at a kind of mythic, metaphoric level as opposed to really trying to immerse you in reality.
I mean, I felt when I was making ALIENS I think the same thing Ridley was doing with ALIEN, which is... "I'm going to make you think this is real." Even though it is completely ridiculous deep space adventure. We were going to make you feel like it's real. It's a question of does the film take itself seriously or not.
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Yes, AVP took liberties with what had already been set with the Alien's lifecycle in terms of the chestburster's incubation time, etc. But it creates a sort of frightening place for the creatures in Mesoamerican mythology without messing with the mystery of the Alien's origins in deep time. Sir Ridley, for all his disdain of AVP, has given us Covenant, wherein he takes liberties of his own with the very 'rules' he put in place regarding the Alien's lifecycle, which he established in Alien. (Hey! He sort of ripped Anderson off!) And as for the mystery of the Alien's origins? Aryan Android Frankenstein did it. As a Science Fair project. Because he was bitter.
So although there were parts of Prometheus that were indeed beautiful and deserved further exploration, for simple story telling and for the sheer joy of watching the Aliens playing merry hell and seeing the Queen appearing out of nowhere yet again, I'll side with AVP.
Never saw AVP2. Not planning on it either.
Keep up the good work! Enjoying your channel a lot.
Thanks! I can totally understand how you could enjoy AVP over Prometheus or even Alien Covenant. As I mentioned there are things to like about it, and the production values are very good. The script just needed a rewrite by a better writer.
Well, most things are better than Prometheus.
That was well said. In my opinion, AVP is one of those movies like Jurassic Park 3. It doesn't have an intelligent story or much of a likeable set of characters, but it IS fun to watch for the sake of Alien/dinosaur/ creature action. Not a good movie if you want to pick the ins and outs of compelling storytelling and worldbuilding, but for what it was, it has some great aesthetics, practical effects, creature designs, and fight scenes. It was a fun movie nonetheless. And even though it wasn't the best movie, it DID succeed in some very interesting concepts (like JP3)
As far as AVP Requiem.....you're not missing anything. It's abysmal. They turned both the aliens and predators into a cheap teen slasher monster, everything is shot in pitch black darkness so it's hard to make out ANY coherency of the fight scenes and the best part....the main character is a sapless pizza delivery boy. Creature design was the only positive point of the film (I will admit the xenos and the predalien DID look really cool) but the movie itself is a disaster.
3 years later both Covenant and The Predator ended up making the AVP movies look like Gone with the Wind.
Not for me when you hear about the story’s they had for avp in the early nineties then you kinda think what was 20 century fox doing but the predator pissed me off i liked covenant was it great no but I thought it was better than resurrection that movie pissed me off when I saw it In theaters
@@jimbowlan5804 Covenant was an insulting abortion with it's head crammed so far up it's own ass it wasn't possible to see which way was up. It pretty much made the 'Alien' name incorrect, since the xenomorphs are basically an indirect creation of mankind.
This comment section is making me feel so much better for liking AvP. I know it's not genius and has plenty of flaws, but I really liked it.
Far superior to Prometheus and Covenant.
Were people expecting a space opera or something from AVP. I thought the movie was fine. It's a species of alien hunters and rabid vicous aliens they kill. What kind of depth were you expecting?
"Lots of character development and philosophy and a romantic tale" just kidding I think none of that belongs in the movie.
I personally like the idea of its starting out as a predator movie then when the action needs to start have the aliens attack.
Not a single review on UA-cam without rhetoric.
Fucking amazing really.
Firstly, can someone please explain why Fox continues to produce films that are steadily getting worse? Is there some big behind the scenes problem going on?
Secondly AVP1 is my guilty pleasure, it being my first introduction to both cretures when I was young. However, to make a good Aliens Vs Predators movie I would recommend taking a thread from the (relitively) recent comics Fire and Stone. In it the predators come across the aliens and the enginer's black goo from prometheus, which begins to wreak havoc on them unexpetedly. However it still show the predators kicking ass and taking names, but also coming to grips with something they cannot comprehend, and that could satisfy the creepy alien feel of Alien while also keeping the unrelenting power of the Predator intact.
Please God, no. *Anything* but the Fire and Stone comics-or most of the AVP comics in general.
Nah, this movie fared way better than I expected. The Thing/at the Mountains of Madness vibe really saved movie. You see, whether you're on an unknown planet, a derelict ship, or in the Antarctic continent, the Alien franchise is about isolation. That's why AVP Requiem sucked balls. It stripped away that key concept.
AVP:2 game is the best represintation of this idea as far as I'm concerned
It's certainly one of the best. Great use of the creatures and a genuinely good story that builds on the mythology. I sunk so many hours into AVP2.
True dat. And remember the Primal Hunt expansion pack that dealt with ancient Predators and had amazing atmosphere? The way it switched perspectives from a facehugger to a predalien that kills the player previous player character was simply ingenius. The next avp game couldnt even hold a candle to that. Much less a movie. These big studious want to spend as little money as possible, and building those sci fi sets aint cheap!
I wish the reboot game they did had hit as hard as AVP 2, but it's at least way better than Colonial Marines
And better than AVP 3
When i came to the end I realized how old this was. I was hyped about Covenant and The Predator... and we all know how that turned out. Thanks for this video, still intresting to listen to!
I don't agree with almost everything. I think the movie has it all.
Love and have rewatched AVP multiple times.
I personally like the idea of its starting out as a predator movie then when the action needs to start have the aliens attack.
I still think there is potential in the concept of Alien vs Predator. If only Fox had invested the money in this first AvP movie. A better director and actors as well as the effects budget to set this in the future would have made all the difference, even if the story was still very similar.
I liked the main actress tho she was really gd
Just imagine how cool would it be (ignoring the events of Alien 3) for a Xena warrior princess esc adult Newt teaming up with the Predator to slaughter Xenomorphs on some futuristic planet set after the events of Aliens?
What went wrong?! What DID’T GO WRONG?!? I’d collected the comic books for years, so I was expecting something seriously amazing.
my friends and i had been waiting for alien vs. predator since middle school in the early 90's...when we went together to see it. ALL of us were let down.
Answer: Because they didn't do the AvP that literally everyone wanted, and still wants.
Aliens vs Predators vs Colonial Marines
It is one of my all-time all-time all-time favorite movies I love love love that movie cannot say enough love
In my humble opinion, 20th Century Fox(Studios) should have just stuck to the graphic novel. The studio could have shot the film at Fox Studios Australia(since the film took place on desert-like planet), cast an up-and-coming actress, say Kelly Hu as Machiko Noguchi. The rating should have been R, just like the other films in each franchise.
In my opinion, the first Alien vs Predator is pretty good with interesting Alien and Predator lore, I love the idea of humans and Predators teaming up to fight the Xenomorphs just like in the original AVP comic, and it had great special effects, but the problem I had is how Paul W. S. Anderson directed this movie where it sets in the present day instead of the Alien franchise like in the original AVP comic, it has a PG-13 rating instead of an R rating, and all the characters are just red-shirts with no development whatsoever.
The second movie is the worst of all Alien and Predator series (even with good effects, this film is a disaster) all thanks to Brothers Strouse's poor directing: the lighting is tough to see, the character inspirations from the Alien franchise are poorly written due to the fact that the Brothers Strouse aren't Alien fans and decided to direct an AVP movie for some reason, the human characters are paper-thin and boring, the acting is terrible with cliched writing, the Xenomorphs, especially the Predalien, are misrepresented, the deaths are nothing but a random collection of bloody bodies and misanthropy, the Yautjas are idiots, especially when Wolf the Elite Predator is treated like a Bad Blood and an unrepentant murderer who also ends up slaughtering humans for no reason when his goal was to exterminate Xenomorphs, the story felt like a Friday the Thirteenth movie than an Alien and Predator movie, and even the ending is forgettable.
Your voice is very familiar. Do you also do the Up From the Depths reviews?
Yup he does
This movie is a guilty pleasure for me it was the movie that introduced the predator and alien franchise to me.
What's the song at the end? I mean, I know its Darude - Sandstorm, but which version?
Wow. The sheer optimism expressed at the end....it's depressing to watch in 2023.
Some valid points here, but frankly, I haven't been exactly nutty about the idea of an Alien vs. Predator series since I was a kid and thought Anderson was the least well-equipped filmmaker to tackle it. Oddly, I actually think THIS is his best movie.
Who wants a reboot of this 2004 AVP? Reboot like they are doing with the Disney animated movies. I would like it, loved this one but I would like to see if it can be made into something better, rather than what it currently is.
Would love that
@Dilligent Yeoman Ohh I know, but wouldnt it be curious to see if the manage to keep the standard, completely destroy the movie or make it better? I love this moviebut as they say curiosity killed the cat.
I'm from 2021... and they F'ed it up.
I know AVP wasn't fantastic, my biggest problem was that it was a too fast paced and short film; the story was actually very solid; setting it on modern day earth probably wasn't the best of moves, but they do ensure no one knows about the xenomorphs and the 2nd film helps give the government an inkling about them as well as establish how humans achieved space travel by the end of this century; Shane Black, director of "The Predator", has said there's still a potentially good AVP film to be made; I think with the right writers, it can be made and have a connection to the universe established by "Prometheus" and close the circle; I still love them though and nothing will change that opinion...
Alien Vs Predator should’ve been like a knight Vs dragon story. The violent and brutal but honorable and respectful warrior slays the demonic unholy creature that infests your body forcefully and births out violently.
I enjoyed AVP ,could of been of better tho ,would like a new version with engineers on a planet far from earth
Or we could go back to just Space Jockeys
I didn’t mind the aliens being on earth in avp with them being in Antartica and a remnant of an ancient civilization. At least it was only a small group of people in an isolated part of the world. Avp r on the other hand takes place right after the first one and undoes everything Lex and the predator did to stop the alien. At least with avp, you could still make it fit since it’s suggested the engineers were all but completely dead, or at least remained isolated. I’d like to think the predators found an alien egg and started breeding them to hunt after seeing what they could do. I consider avp and the 2010 game canon, but not avp r. I can at least see Peter Weyland as being Lance Hendrickson’s descendant that inherited Weyland industries.
I also didn’t mind the predators being bulkier. The head definitely could’ve been better. The animatronics could’ve gone that close. It just makes me think of a predator version of a derp face. Since there’s like different predators, I figured they were just another type.
Also I’m curious, what must’ve their first encounter with the alien was like. How did they cultivate these versions. They tend to do between 2 and 4 legged stances. More organic, but smaller heads. Longer pipes. Bulkier, whatever planet they found these on, those creatures must be huge
I’ve been watching through and alien and predator marathon and I watched the special features for this movie afterwards.
Funny enough, one of the producers talks about Paul WS’s script being the one that was chosen because it was the only one set on earth and not in space in the future.
Which makes so much sense because obviously fox wanted to spend as little money as possible on this
This is your opinion, but I love this film I think it was brilliant and stunning visually.
It does suck that the Wolf Predator was wasted on such a crappy movie
Actually Anderson didn’t put them on modern earth, the then big wig at Fox Tom Rothman did that.
no wonder the alien and predator are trying to reboot themselves these movies damage them so bad great video man
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
David Brown AVP might not have been well recieved, but financially it was a box office success grossing $172.5 million against a budget of $60 million.
Well alien vs predator was a good movie in my opinion
Nicolas Pajuelo I agree it's very underrated.
haha, I guess
Was?
There is really no way to get Aliens and Predators in a movie together that would be compelling. What would happen? Predator detects Alien, shoots and kills Alien. Or vice versa. Then what?
7:13 "These are exciting times"....HA. I wish that was true
Yeah, gotta disagree. AvP is a good film and along with Alien and Alien 3 are the only films from the franchise that I still watch. At this point they really need to stop making Alien films. (AvP:R was awful).
If they would have just adapted the comic to the big screen this wouldn’t have been an issue.
I mean it certainly had potential and was entertaining enough but it's clear it was just meant to be a cash grab blockbuster crossover. The story and characters could have been deeper and sort of elaborated on a deeper meaning or theme. For instance where mankind fits in with these alien species and how many more are there out there.
Um they're part of the same universe hence why they put them together not because omg epic fight. They exist within the same Canon universe as eachother, I believe blade runner is also in the same universe
No amount of money thrown at a bad script will make it into a good movie.
Avp ia best movie
It would have been so easy to make them colonists who discovered this pyramid on some distant planet. It could even have been underneath the ice still, maybe it’s an ice planet, who knows. Anyway there are still all the other issues with this film but the fact that it’s set on Earth bothers me so intensely that I don’t really get around to caring about everything else that’s wrong with it
In think this movies where pretty good, I understand your point and yes, this movies should have been way better, but I was pretty entertained with this movies.
Rip this guys hopes and dreams
Hope that the new Predator movie works!!! The problem with the movies of today is their is no art in Visuals or in Tha writing. Just CGI and cookie cutter storyline. Characters that have the only reason to be in the movie is as a casualty or filler waiting for their nemesis to be put out of their misery. 😂😨😲😎
Bad luck, the movie sukcs
Why would they have the predators die so.easy? Kinda lame
great review, although I disagree about Event Horizon beeing not that well executed
It's Anderson's best movie; the only one of his I consider genuinely decent.
It wasn't well executed, unless you ment shot in the head, cause yeah the studio kinda butchered it.
I personally like the idea of its starting out as a predator movie then when the action needs to start, have the aliens attack.
Good to know I'm in good company (Sigourney Weaver and James Cameron) in that I hated the premise of an AvP movie from the get go. Let's be honest here, it's cheesy, gimicky and feels more like a fanfic. It demeans both universes, not to mention retcons and completely undoes the events of the earlier movies (Ripley's entire motivation to keep the aliens from reaching earth, for example).
AvP was at least better than Resurrection. Requiem probably wasn't though.
Simple:
1. Writers and director
2. The PG-13 rating
3. No source material whatsoever
4. The overall look of both aliens and predators was over exaggerated, almost characters of the originals.
I can’t speak for everyone but a lot of people hate the avp films I don’t see how everyone hates them because really I don’t nothing wrong with the first two films
The black girl and the french guy messed it up
I love the way the predators look in the movie, but the way the face looks is just sad.
wrong tone, bad script ,shot in too dark of a pallet ,especially the fight scenes.
That's Requiem/AVP2
Granted both sorta do, but "too dark" is a card that belongs to Requiem. You can at least _see_ what's going on in AVP1.
I actually like the alien vs predator
I don't hate both avp movies, they werent fantastic but I enjoyed them, I know I'm biased because I'm a massive alien fan since childhood but are they that bad? I thought requiem was an OK representation of a xeno outbreak in earth
don't put humans in the next alien vs. predator movie.
I thought it was a good movie. You people that complain about it as bad as you do are honestly delirious. It's not that bad. It IS a good movie.
because human
Alien Resurrection was a good movie ?!! You must be kidding!!
What can I say, I can't help it! I grew up with it, thought it is easily my least favorite Alien movie, nothing tops the first 3.
Imedias Rez the 3rd movie was bad too, not bad like Resurrection but also bad, even Fox thought about decanonizing both!
Well I love Alien 3, so much that I made a whole video about it
@@IntrospectiveEntertainment alien 3 sucked.
Honestly, only the first movie is decent. AVP Requiem is really the shitty one.
really?
8 minutes to call a turd a turd?
Avp isn't bad but damn the predator design is really awful
I bet ure pretty dissapointed with prometheus...
AVP is OK at best and mediocre at worst. I feel like it needed the future space setting of the comics, books, and video games; better characters and directing; and last but not least make the damn fucking movie rated r. I don't know who thought it was good idea to get two r rated franchises and combine them to make it pg-13.
The reason the Predators look too squat and fat is because they were average human sized people in the suits (probably stunt people). Without the 7' 3" frame of Kevin Peter Hall, the Predator suit unfortunately looks too chunky. God knows why they just didn't hire wrestlers or basketballers, ok they mightn't perform fight scenes, but there's ways around that.
The lead Predator Scar, as well as the Celtic Predator, was played by Ian Whyte, who was a basketball player.
imedias REZ still weren't tall enough.
13ft tall or bust
Damien Kirwan Kevin Peter Hall was 7' 2" not 7' 3".
I knew this movie would suck at the time.
Sad thing is Alien Covenant was bad with David being the only saving grace surrounded with moronic characters. The Predator just tells a story that makes no sense and try to hard to be a action comedy flick. It's sad how far removed both series are. Prometheus is the only decent movie released in both series since the 90s. AVP can be done. Just setting a movie on earth present day is a big no no.
This video and all the author's hopes did not age well.... at all...
Yeah that was painful to listen too.
Alien: Horror Masterclass. Predator: Action Sci-fi/Horror Masterclass. Aliens: One of the best sequels in film history. Predator 2: Divisive, but imo still really good. AVP: Meh at best, forgettable at worst. AVPR: Had potential, too many humans, poor lighting. Alien 3: A good wrap up of Ripley's story. Predators: A decent return to form but still lackluster, Force Awakens of the Pred franchise. Alien Resurrection-Covenant: Trash. The Predator: Should have never been made, ruined Shane Black as a director. Modern filmmaking has turned these once Icons of the big screen into a flaccid, tone deaf joke. The Predator was literally a joke-filled, buddy-cop movie where the Yautja try to upgrade themselves with...autism. Alien Covenant was almost a return to form but ultimately was a forgettable, unneeded movie. Instead of relying on hype and modern movie tropes, have actual characters (Even though most of the characters in the older films were a tad 1-dimensional), take it seriously: Predator had funny moments but they were that, moments. Hollywood is starting to think audiences are dumb with low attention spans and it shows.
Avpr imo definitely made it in the monster design
It's always confounded me that someone could take two great fictional species and create such awful films.
I will be honest, it should not have taken place on earth, should have been in the future, when humanity is exploring the stars, and colonial marines should have been in it. Oh and dump all that ancient aliens crap.
I talk to my friend at school and she said that she loved the movie
Both were horrible disappointments
Covent was a stupid movie
Dont forget shane black the predator
No, it was just bad
At Least Better Than Prometheus/Alien Covenant
Honestly, this is still the best Alien movie.
It's pretty mediocre, but the originals are way too old to be enjoyable, and Prometheus and Alien Covenant are just dumb as fuck.
Still better than AVPR 🗑 🤢 🤮 💩
Andddd Covenant was meh and Predator was a shit show
There is really no way to get Aliens and Predators in a movie together that would be compelling. What would happen? Predator detects Alien, shoots and kills Alien. Or vice versa. Then what?