Don't Buy Black Mist Filters Until You See THIS!!! K&F Concept vs Tiffen vs Vaxis
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Black Mist Diffusion Filters have been around for years. Now, with their being so many affordable options, does it make sense to spend extra on Black Diffusion Mist filters? In this video, we are going to go over 5 reason why you need a Black Mist filters and we will compare these against other popular brands like Vaxis, Tiffen, and more.
K&F Concept Black Diffusion (Single): geni.us/KF-black-diffusion
K&F Concept Black Diff (2 PACK): geni.us/KF-Concept_Black-set
Vaxis 95mm Filters: geni.us/VaxisStreakFilter
Tiffen Black Pro Mist: geni.us/TiffenBlackProMist
Luzid Brass Step Up Ring 67-82mm: amzn.to/2XYwQZH
Luzid Brass Step Up Ring 72-82mm: amzn.to/2XYwXEB
Luzid Brass Step Up Rings: geni.us/Luzid-Brass-StepUP
Tilta Mirage BASIC KIT A: geni.us/TiltaMirage
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
1:21 BM Overview
2:41 Blooming
3:43 Halation
6:00 Step Up Rings
7:07 BM vs PM
7:39 Protector
7:52 Beauty Filters
8:36 FILTER TESTS
10:39 Water Test
11:13 Color Cast
11:33 Conclusion
CAMERA GEAR USED IN THIS VIDEO:
CAMERAS:
Sony FX6: geni.us/Sony_FX6
Sony FX3: geni.us/SonyAlphaFX3
Sony a7RIII: geni.us/j6Ph
Sony ZV-E10: geni.us/SonyalphaZVe10
LENSES:
Sony 70-200mm GMii: geni.us/Sony70-200mmGMii
Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 ART: geni.us/Sigma2470ART
Sigma 14-24mm f2.8 ART: geni.us/Sigma1424ART
Sigma 35mm f1.4 ART: geni.us/Sigma35mmf14
Sony 90mm f2.8 G MACRO: geni.us/Sony90mmG
Sony PowerZoom 28-135mm: geni.us/Sony28135mm
SOUND GEAR:
Rode NTG5: geni.us/RodeNTG5shotgunmic
RODE VXLR to 3.5mm ADAPTER: geni.us/RodeVXLRadapter
Silicone Rubber Case for Rode Go II: geni.us/RodeGo2siliconecase
Sony XLR mic: geni.us/SonyECMXM1
Rode Video Mic Pro+: geni.us/RodeVMProPlus
DEITY S-Mic 2S: geni.us/Deity_S-Mic-2S
DEITY V-Mic D4: geni.us/Deity-vmicD4
DEITY Pocket Wireless: geni.us/DeityPocketWirelessKit
Deity D4 DUO V-Mic: geni.us/DeityD4duo
Matte Box and Filters:
TILTA
TILTA REAR OPERATING HANDLE FOR DJI RS2: geni.us/Tilta_RS2-Rear-Handle
Tilta Mirage VND Matte Box KIT B: geni.us/TiltaMirageVND
Tilta Mirage BASIC KIT A: geni.us/TiltaMirage
Tilta Mirage MOTORIZED KIT C: geni.us/TiltaMirageMotorized
Tilta Mirage VND Filter: geni.us/TiltaMirage95mmVND
Tilta Nucleus Nano Wireless Focus: geni.us/TiltaNucleusN
Vaxis Streak Filter: geni.us/VaxisStreakFilter
Tilta Stackable Circle Filter Tray: geni.us/MirageStackableCircle
Tilta Stackable Square Filter Tray: geni.us/MirageStackableSquare
Dual (two) Circular Filters Holder: geni.us/MirageDualCircleFilter
Vaxis 95mm Filters: geni.us/VaxisStreakFilter
Haida Rear ND Filters: geni.us/HaidaRearND
Tiffen Black Pro Mist: geni.us/TiffenBlackProMist
Tiffen 82mm VND: geni.us/Tiffen82VND
SandMarc VND: geni.us/SandMarcVND
Luzid Brass Step Up Ring 67-82mm: amzn.to/2XYwQZH
Luzid Brass Step Up Ring 72-82mm: amzn.to/2XYwXEB
==FX3 CINEMA RIG AND ACCESSORIES=
Tilta FX3 Cage: geni.us/TiltaFX3
Tilta FX3 15mm Rod Baseplate: geni.us/TiltaFX3Baseplate
Tilta Wooden Left NATO Handle: geni.us/TiltaWoodenLeftVI
Tilta Mini V-Mount Kit I: geni.us/TiltaMiniVmount
SMALLRIG
FX3 HANDLE EXTENSION: geni.us/FX3ha ndleExtension
SmallRig Wood Top Handle geni.us/SmallRigRosewoodNato
Rosewood Trigger Handle geni.us/SonyWoodHandleTrigger
SMALLRIG NINJA V CAGE: geni.us/NinjaVcage
SmallRig 2071 NATO Ballhead: geni.us/SmallRigNatoMagicArm
SmallRig Sunhood for Atomos Ninja V: geni.us/NinjaVSunhood
Monitor Mount with Locating Pins: geni.us/SmallRigMonitorMount1
SmallRig a7RIII Cage: geni.us/SmallRiga7R3Cage
This video is NOT sponsored by Deity or Rode, but Deity did send the kit out for me to review, so feel free to use my links to show support for the channel if you enjoyed the video or learned anything new!
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Ray Valencia
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I've been on groups recently where many folks have been posting shots using Black Pro-Mist filters. I wondered if I might missing out on something, but after seeing the comparisons on this video I'm totally content to continuing shooting without one as I preferred the clear examples every single time. Thanks Ray!
nice break down of the brands and 1/8, 1/4, ND ,,,, learned alot and greatly appreciate your time quality content... love all the examples....
Really great comparison! Hope to see more filter comparisons from you cause you nailed it.
This was such an informative and well done video, thank you very much!!!
I loved the style you used to explain everything. Amazing!
Great video! Happy I watched it before pulling the trigger on filters.
I really like this video, scene changing, straight to the point. You make me a subscriber easily!
Hi Quilley! Thanks, I highly appreciate you.
Glad I stumbled on this video. Was about to spend more on the Tiffen, but looks like the K&F is the way to go. Also, was going for the 1/8, but I actually want the 1/4 now. Thank you for the video!
I think it’s the best video on UA-cam about the filter black mist. Congrats! Thanks from Brazil!
Thanks for checking it out, Ricardo from Brazil 🇧🇷!!
I agree
Hey man this is a great review. Incredibly informative and it's not only helped me understand the product but I've also learnt some stuff. Thanks man and you have my sub.
I highly appreciate you. I try to deliver more than just another gear review. Gotta teach some skills and deliver some value in there more than anything.
Yeah man it shows. Thanks again.
Most educational video I've seen with the most examples of how the filters will affect footage. THANK YOU!!
It’s crazy how I was just looking to buy some ND filters and your video popped up on my feed. I also wanted to know if I needed one filter or many for my lens. You answered that question with the step up rings . Thanks. Just subscribed!👍🏾
Highly appreciate you subbing 🙏🏼 Happy to have you on the crew. Thanks for checking this video out too
Great video. Was trying to decide between getting a nd filter or black mist. Probably just go with a 1/8th black mist first
This was so helpful! Definitely ordering the 1/8 for the everyday look with still some effect!
Neewer MRC Black diffusion 1/8 is what i like
Great info. Thank you!
I have the K&F 1/4 Black Mist and never use it because I feel it's too strong. I'll try the 1/8 after watching this tutorial. Thanks for the breakdown, Ray! I really liked the raindrop test 👍👍👍
The effect will vary depending on the focal length of the lens. Use it on a wider lens and the effect will be weaker.
@@stuartallenphotosgood to know!
thank your for all your efforts... but for me it starts to be efficient and interesting from 9:30 (of totally 12 minutes..): I believe most people want such a direct comparison as a help to make their decision.. all other stuff is good for a genreal introduction (although you were the first to explain the difference between MIST and BLACK MIST filters.... so far: 👍
Update: the K & F Filters, particularly the x series are still the only mist filters (as of 4/2024) with complete anti reflection coatings, which helps to control the mist effects much better
Thanks so much!! I usually start with the bssic information first, and then Go Deep (technical) later on, because most of my viewers are not experienced filmmakers. This gives me the opportunity to teach the principles and the 'Why' first. Then I always try to throw in a Head-to-Head comparisons towards the end of every video, as well as things that Need Improvement (straight criticism). I appreciate your constructive criticism too. Maybe I'll start mixing up the Order of the Videos, when appropriate. After all, I'm not making these videos for me ...I'm making them for you guys! Highly appreciate YOU taking the time to write me.
Brilliant review, Thankyou !!
Thanks!
I bought Black Mist filters for my most used lenses. (Hate to have to swap them & I'd simply for get to...) Have a K&F 1/8 on my 18-35 Art. Really like the effct that one seems to give me better than most of the other filters.
Hey, thanks for the comparison. I think the 1/8 is the sweet spot for me.
Good choice!
went with 1/4 k&f, absolutely great for a budget
great comparison, thx!👍🏻I think I will go for an 1/8, because the effect is to much on a 1/4 for me.
Thanks ofr the video. I bought using your links. :)
Highly appreciate YOU!
I use Pentax K1 and i have an old Pentax 18-35 lens...which seems to have factory kind a very similar effect like ''Black Mist'',which i amazing ! :))
very nice comparison, 👍
I have a Sony a7iii I just bought a few months back, I am in love with it! I got myself the Sony 24mm f2.8g lens for videos when I bought it. I more recently picked up a Sigma 85mm f1.4 as well and it takes stunningly sharp photos. I switched from a Nikon d3200, it has a real dirty lens. Honest to god, I think its because of that it takes some really interesting stylistic photos. ;) it also has lots of sentimental value to me as the first camera I bought with my own money from my first job back in the day.
That lens has CHARACTER! Wonder if you can find an adapter for the Sony, and keep it alive!
@@RayValencia hey that’s a wonderful idea! Honestly it would make a good series or video! Ty for the inspiration!
Thanks for this info
Excellent content. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks
I still lean towards using the Dehancer Pro plugin for subtle blooming. For a strong effect you would need those filters as the artificial solution is only good for low to mid effect imho. But keeping the main video intact is good to extract clear stills if needed. Great review, mate.
Thanks, Bo. I've never used the Dehancer plug-ins before. Is there a certain one you recommend or is it like a one solution, all inclusive plugin.
@@RayValencia Yeah they kinda break them down, but if I'm gonna buy it it'll be the whole package. Maybe it sounds expensive at $400 (you can find many youtubers like @robellis who provide discount codes) but above all you kinda not gonna need to buy any LUT's anymore. Around 64 film stock looks AFAIK. Gonna buy it but haven't yet as my arsenal of gear is still lacking.
I missed something why the smudgy glass was the best?
I have no idea why I don't like it. Probably because of losing an information and density... It seems to me like old soap camera. I appreciate your review. If I use, so 1.8
Thank you for this video, I think there is no much difference in cheap vs expensive option so I dont see reason spending 2-3x times more for it. Thanks again, it was really helpfull video
does it make sense keeping lens dirt inside will get bonus for pro-mist lens.
Would be interested to know how this effect goes with smaller lenses/sensors. I have a 1/8th K&F on an RX100 and the effect isn't particularly pronounced. So maybe for smaller sensors you should buy stronger than you think?
Great question. I have yet to test this theory, but I love the idea. Thanks
Great review! I realised that K&F Concept has multiple Pro Mist filters such as Nano-K, Nano-X Series etc. They say that K series for beginners and X series for professionals, I really don't know what that means and whats the difference. Do you have any isssues with sharpness in longer focal lenghts such as 200mm with the Nano-K series? Asking because I have some other brands pretty cheap CPL filter that has a lot of sharpness issues above 85mm.
Thanks! YES, you are right. There are different grades to their filters. The point in this video was for beginning filmmakers to not stress about getting expensive filters (like my $330 Schneider Hollywood Black Magics or $100 Tiffens) because you can still get great results with cheap filters. But yes, the longer the lens, the more exaggerated the filtration, for most types of filters.
@@RayValencia Thank you for the answer, I use 85mm a lot, do you think these filters will work fine?
@@anilyolsal What did you end up getting for your 85mm lens? a 1/4 or 1/8 strength?
@@ITzPake I did get it. I have the KF Concept Nano-K 1/8 and 1/4 and haven't had any issues with them so far!
Is Black Pro-Mist different than just Black Mist? or are they the same?
Thank you for the video this was great!
Same. Black Pro Mist is the trademarked name by the original creator of this filter: Tiffen. So everyone else has to call it something different.
How about Kase black mist? I saw it in Kase store in London.
thank you!!
We use to do something similar using black pantyhose
Hi great content !!!
Do you know how to stack polirizer filter and mist at the same time ? Please thanks a lot
Yes, no issues with those 2 filters. Always put your Effects Filters on First (Mist), then screw your Polarizer on top of that filter.
You only get major issues when you stack ND and Polarizers , because Variable ND are essentially 2 rotating Polarizers. Mist has no affect on Polarization. I have 2 other videos about 2 in 1 VND + Polarizers though... I'll look them up and link them here for you.
Freewell VND and CPL: ua-cam.com/video/grZx79mOcx8/v-deo.html
Vaxis 2 in 1 VND and CPL: ua-cam.com/video/_GYFbg2OSlQ/v-deo.html
@@RayValencia thanks à lot !! I will buy à box with à black pro mist 1/8.
Is there’s a point buying VND+Black Mist filter(2in1) or it’s just the same as if I stacked vnd and black mist filter myself? I thought about reflections in between the filters because in 2in1 filter the distance between the glasses is slightly shorter. Can it be crucial?
Absolutely worth it to get a combo set. I don't personally have a 2 in 1, but I always keep a Black Mist on underneath my VND and it doesn't bother me. The shorter distance of a 2 in 1 would help with possible vignetting on wider focal lengths. Depends on the lens and the VND. Never had any issues with reflections in between, though!
I honestly use the Freewell mattebox a lot, on top of the Mist, when I'm shooting so I can avoid the whole vignetting thing too. And that is even more space between the filters and no issues.
FYI the water beading up might be a forever chemical treatment (PFAS). For the minimal benefit, not worth it
Do you find it worth it to get the K&F 28 multi-layer coated version versus the 18 multi-layer coated that you are using in this video?
I am looking for this answer myself but no luck. Knowing how marketing and price discrimination works, I reckon there is little to no practical difference. They seem to use the same frame and glass. The additional coating may add additional scratch resistance but if you handle your filters normally then I'd say go with the cheaper version.
I've found the cheaper k&f filters can introduce a bit of a green cast / flaring, where I've not had the same issue with the nicer ones
I just ordered the K&F glimmer glass 1. I have the vaxis pro mist.
But does vaxis have a glimmer glass version for the tilta matte box? I'm a new filmmaker 🙏
No, that as far I know. I've used glimmer glass on a shoot once before. It also kept the blacks very dark, but the Black Mist that you already have, is probably the closest bet.
@RayValencia Hopefully Vaxis does come out with a glimmer glass version in the future? I appreciate your videos and the work you put in.
Greetings from Las Vegas 🙏
You never talked about why the smudgy glass was the best. Can you make an update video about it?
The whole video was about the smudgy piece of glass= Mist Diffusion filters
@@RayValencia ya tricked me
@@hyprz you're probably not the only one! Lol
@@RayValencia you ruined my life
@hyprz Whoa! This video's purpose was to help you save money by going with cheaper filters. Not to ruin your life, lol! Well, lemme try to make up for it with a secret. You're the only person that knows I'm currently testing out a brand new matte box system with magnetic filters.
I am using the filter because of this video, but why in my camera pop some glare? How to achieve the bloomy looks at some light without causing glare? Please help
that washed out mist is part of “the look” from mist filters. It looks nice when you let sunlight leak through a crack, or between leaves, etc but if you point it straight at the sun/bright source the effect may get too strong. Lights can be in the shot, but not aiming straight into the lens. That will make any lens flare, but the mist will intensify it. Hope this helps! 🤓
@@RayValencia Thanks for the explanation, yeah i did shoot it straight to the light source and it makes the glare so pop up. So your suggestion must be that i can shoot to light source but dont let it straight to the camera, am i right? Sorry for my broken english 🤝
Is that Guiliana Dipendi from E news? wow..
Yeah, good eye. I've shot with her a handful of times.
Can you stack these with K&F VNDs?
Yes
how to use black mist filter when you use Tilta Mirage?
Tilts makes their own Mirage Black Mist filter, I have 1/8 and 1/4. But also you could screw on the Mist on your lens then screw the Mirage adapter onto the Mist filter.
is it cinematic? 😅
If all you want is soften faces and overall image to make it more cinematic without blooming highlights, can you just desharpen and get a similar look?
Great question. The desharpen method works great when you can specify which area, like in Photoshop. But in video, Desharpen would soften everything...the eyes, the focus. The Black Mist filters only soften the highlights or bright areas. And keep dark areas, like eyes, and eyelashes, lips, etc....dark and sharper.
For video, desharpening could be kept within masks but all the detail would still be lessened inside the mask. Just one work around even if it isn't as able to retain information.
Or you could by a filter that takes down sharpness without blooming. Tiffen makes a wide range of texture modifying filters of which their black pro mist is just one. They have a satin filter that doesn’t bloom the highlights.
the K&f is making my sonys af not focusing correctly in cold
🔥🔥🔥
OK, i dont need to ruin my image
✌...
I have mists filter and now i dont use it because it just ruins the image and yes i can replicate it on post. For me dont waste your money on mist.
Interesting, but every single filter can be recreated in editing. Not sure why you’d want to start with a degraded image rather than a perfect image that you can then experiment with
There’s a subtle difference I think when something is baked in to the image, rather than laid over the top afterwards.
You will no get the effect of a Black Mist filter in post production.
Let's say light object isn't in frame...how would u get mist effect while editing?
Lens would capture it...a glow
@@stuartallenphotosyou can actually get pretty darn close with a plugin called scatter.
Pretty sure a polarizing filter is impossible to reproduce in post