Shut the Books & Vivo ~ Taylor's Trick-Taking Table

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  • Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
  • Simple AND Clever games?!
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    Table of Contents:
    Intro - (0:00​​​)
    Hooks - (0:23​​​)
    Amazing Gifts from Y'all! - (2:11​​​)
    How to Play (Shut the Books) - (9:40)
    How to Play (Vivo) - (16:02)
    Final Thoughts (Vivo) - (22:30)
    Final Thoughts (Shut the Books) - (28:25)
    Final Thoughts Summary - (33:33)
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  • @benzmercedes7354
    @benzmercedes7354 Місяць тому

    I love your jaket, so cool. Thank you Taylor for spreading information of cool trick taking into the world.

  • @shreyinspace
    @shreyinspace 9 днів тому

    The bid fulfillment in Shut the Books is reminiscent of Sluff Off/Die Sieben Siegel. There are enough differences between the two for an interesting comparison. Bidding from your hand cards has a neat balance of potentially weakening your hand if you are bidding a stronger suit, or event strengthening if you are able to void yourself and can count on matching the bid card by number or through trump. Yet another game I hope to try at some point.

  • @jotaf98
    @jotaf98 Місяць тому +1

    So many clever concepts packed into just two games!
    In Vivo, do you think that it would have more opportunities for long term strategy if there was a visible progression from solo to quartet, or the other way around?

    • @ClaudeAndTaylor
      @ClaudeAndTaylor  Місяць тому +1

      I think so, though that'd likely make a less interesting game

  • @ekurisona663
    @ekurisona663 Місяць тому +1

    I just found out this week that Kiki's delivery service was originally a book that was published in 1985 and that the Ghibli movie is an adaptation of that

    • @ClaudeAndTaylor
      @ClaudeAndTaylor  Місяць тому

      Ohhhh interesting!! I thought it was original!

  • @nilktots6380
    @nilktots6380 Місяць тому +1

    Ombres a fun game, used to centuries ago be the premier game of skill which explains why its so thoroughly spelled out in that and probably many other books. iirc some people in some pockets of the world still play it much like it was played back then. heavily gambling based though

    • @ClaudeAndTaylor
      @ClaudeAndTaylor  Місяць тому +1

      Woahhhhh so interesting!! I've yet to read or research it, so this is awesome nilktots!! Cheeeers!

  • @ConstantChaosGames
    @ConstantChaosGames Місяць тому +3

    These are both fascinating games, and both really clean and streamlined. Very cool. You mentioned a term "hammer" that I'm not familiar with - is that being the lead player? I tried to google that but not easily finding what that term is.
    Both of these games look really fun to play, and have clever unique ideas. As far as theme, I have a hard time imagining a solo song when multiple versions of the same dog are played.. Like, is it the same dog but in different parallel universes? Or different dogs of the same breed but singing together - then it isn't technically a solo.. maybe I'm the only one that is taking the theme this far.. LOL. I really do like the spotlights on the backs of the Vivo cards - nice touch.

    • @jimgrant9081
      @jimgrant9081 Місяць тому +3

      I assume Taylor means "hammer" as the last to play in a round or trick. It's a common term in curling and Crokinole and I've definitely heard it applied to other games too.

    • @ClaudeAndTaylor
      @ClaudeAndTaylor  Місяць тому +1

      Oh yes sorry! I usually use terms and jargon without explaining them, it's a bad habit!! I think someone explained below, but it's the last person in the trick! So sorry again! Thank so much for the comment!

    • @ConstantChaosGames
      @ConstantChaosGames Місяць тому +1

      @@ClaudeAndTaylor Thanks!

  • @sparkybunzz
    @sparkybunzz Місяць тому +1

    Hey, are things going to be moving around? >:) RIP old set!!!!

  • @poetryalpastor
    @poetryalpastor Місяць тому +1

    Here's my scalding hot take as someone who hasn't played Vivo but thinks it looks so fun: I don't think the solo/duet tricks count as must-follow? It feels like "must play" in that what happens when you can't follow is that you just don't contribute to the trick; you can't, e.g. play trump or something. Of course I guess there are games without trump suits where if you can't follow you just have to play a dummy card and it doesn't really count as part of the trick, but even then it might count for card points or something, plus the fact that this game moves between must-not-follow to "must play" complicates the dynamic. That's just what I think about when Taylor says it's a very simplistic loop -maybe it would be interesting if not being able to follow in those solo/duet or even trio tricks meant you could trump, or just pass (which could then give you an advantage in ongoing tricks).

    • @ClaudeAndTaylor
      @ClaudeAndTaylor  Місяць тому +1

      Oh yeah i definitely think a trump could make things more interesting here! I think the solo is definitely must follow, as many games have off suit cards be nothing, but the duet is interesting! Great point!

    • @poetryalpastor
      @poetryalpastor Місяць тому +1

      @@ClaudeAndTaylor That's fair tbh! I was thinking after I posted this and watching another of your videos that my comment probably reflected the fact that most of my trick-taking familiarity comes from tarot games 😅

  • @NikolajLepka
    @NikolajLepka Місяць тому +1

    In Vivo's advanced variant, can you play any card face down, even one that would otherwise be playable?

  • @ekurisona663
    @ekurisona663 Місяць тому +1

    taylors menagerie!

  • @shockwavemasta
    @shockwavemasta Місяць тому +1

    Two of the best games that came out of the latest TGM!

  • @ekurisona663
    @ekurisona663 Місяць тому +2

    oh hey didn't see you thEYRE

  • @NikolajLepka
    @NikolajLepka Місяць тому +1

    so.... how do we send stuff to ya?

    • @ClaudeAndTaylor
      @ClaudeAndTaylor  Місяць тому

      Oh!! Cheeers!! Dm me!! 😁🙌🙌

    • @NikolajLepka
      @NikolajLepka Місяць тому +1

      @@ClaudeAndTaylor I just might; once I have something worthy of sending ;P