Man I hate these truck stops. Diagonal spots are so stupid... Nice that people are helping him. When i was backing my dryvan for 20 minutes people just stared. And one old man got out smoking a pipe looked at his trailer as if he thought i hit it. Pricks. You guys are nice. Any help is much appreciated😊
I drive a flat and a step one is 48” the other 53”. That spread axle turn radius is a tricky thing but one should get use to it after a while. This guy backs like a van or reefer guy.
I pull spread axle flatbed trailers on a daily basis I think some drivers are worried to jackknife or slide that 4th axle in a tight spot like that just cause it's a spread axle trailer...but he can get the trailer in the hole if he gets the 5th axle close to the front tire {maybe 1 foot }of the burgundy truck and then jack knife the trailer in the hole
Spreads require you to constantly be getting in and out of the angle, i have one warehouse i have to back a door with a foot to each side and just enough room for truck and trailer between the door and a fence to make a 90° back.
One other trick I learned is to slide 5th wheel to give you a bit more room Now if the truck has a fixed fifth wheel and fixed spring suspension on the trailer You just need to learn the pivot point
When your trailer has dump valve on it you don’t have this problem. I have a 48’ step deck spread with a 280” wheelbase KW W900 pulling it. That dump valve helps out a heck of a lot when backing!!!
When you push or flip the dump valve switch it empties out the air bags on rear axle and all the weight is on the front axle. So when backing the rear axle is “dead” and just glides across pavement and makes trailer turn a lot quicker
Tim Lane most drivers don't know how to use a dump valve properly and end up overloading the other axle and causing problems that's why company trucks don't have dump valves at least that's what I was told
I've had "Large Cars" before. And I love spread axle Tri axle trailers. But these Flatbedders who buy a Double bunk condo and run with the 5th wheel all the way back cause of the headache rack. Be a real flatbedder and spec the truck right. 240" wb 42" flattop now put your headache rack on. Then you can put your 5th wheel where your steers are at 12000 lbs full fuel. She'll ride like a Cadillac then.
The company he works for probably just turned him loose with a split after he learned on a box. All I drive is a flat bed and there is no way at that trailer would fit in that spot
Why do N American trailers have such widespread axles? The extra tyre wear will also be reflected in damage to the road surface. A typical European trailer will have 3 closely spaced axles running on 386/65R22.5 tyres, thus saving 2 tyres & wheels over the this arrangement, to reduce the vehicles ULW.
Because a tandem in the US is legal for 34,000lbs while a spread axle is legal for 40,000lbs. Usually a spread axle trailer has a dump valve for the rear axle or the front axle might be a lift axle. Three axle trailers aren’t common in North America other than in the north western states and Canada.
@@brandonpryormusic 40,000 lbs is about 18,000 Kg or 18 tonnes. On six axles in Europe 44 tonnes is pretty standard. Why are you lot in the USA running around half loaded all the time. So far behind with truck technology. Those massive bonneted trucks are gas guzzling, clumsy ego trips. Need an acre to turn and weigh as much as the load. What’s the point?
@@petittrainguernsey3297 he meant 40,000 lbs axle weight on the spread. In the US we have to be under gross and under axles weights for each axle or set if axles. A tandem axle setup can have no more than 34,000 lbs on the tandem. So a typical 5 axle rig has 12,000 on the steer axle, 34,000 on the drive tandems, and 34,000 on the trailer tandems. For a total of 80,000 lbs gross. With a spread axle, if the axles are at least 10’ apart they’re considered separate axles so they’re allowed 20,000 on each axle.
That's a 53' flatbed, he probably doesnt have the switch in his truck to lift the front axle. Either way he needs more experience and confidence with that trailer.
@@seanmcguire6011 The rear axle is the pivot axle and the front axle skids which makes the turning radius even longer when there is weight on the trailer.
Thing about tight spots is that every inch counts and also in this situation I'd turn pull up turn hard left and then back in. It takes some pressure off his trouble side
Don’t understand why this guy couldn’t get it in. Looks to have a ton of space to work with and the burgundy truck was even parked over for more space. A modified 45 would put it in easily. And spaces even all look angled too
That's funny isn't not an impossible parking spot. 1. It's the blind leading the blind. 2. You should know that with a spread, it tends to make its own trail and cuts inside faster than a traditional tandem.
It’s a shame he didn’t or couldn’t dump any one of those trailers axles. All spread axle trailers with air bags are manufactured with mandatory axle air suspension dump valves.
For all you people that don't don't pull flatbed don't know the secret of throwing sand down under which axel you want to slide if you don't follow them you don't know the trick getaclue
U know every time I see flatbed trying to back up and they couldn’t. Well I think u need a talent to back up. I saw so many old truckers on beautiful big rigs backing up like they just got a CDL. So backing up not for every experience driver, u gotta need that talent. Glad I got it. I can do 90 degrees easily. That’s my favorite angle 😜
First thing my father taught me...backing up, I was backing up long before I ever drove forward. He told me "son, any fool can drive this thing forward"....that was 25yrs ago.
that's a valid point... however our videographer isn't the MAIN issue... the MAIN issue is the guy backing up... a combo of poor decision making and poor driving skills...so yea our video guy could help him out and that's fine no problem with that at all... but what happens to our poor driver the next time when there's nobody there to bail him out... then what?
Wait... That guy with the spread axle is able to slide rear tendon forward. All he had to do is push the rear tendons forward so he can be able to park. Then when he is able to leave out he can reposition it back to spread axle... :/ 7:23 but im not sure if it be hard to reposition with the weight on the trailer. so I would not know.
Yeah, flatbedders don't back. And the worst part about a spread is one you don't know what axle will be your pivot, and tow they just take forever to turn.
Of course the spread makes it harder... 2 axles tight together turn way better then this shit, I still fon´t get why they even use such spread... it´s just bad for the tires..
Can’t comment on that cause I’m not a company driver. I own my truck and trailer. It’s a shame that a company can some what “educate” on driving and not give a 30 min lesson on reason for the dump valve. Again this is why I own my equipment
The good old 10-1 spread if you do not know what you are doing you are fucked, the rear axle should be a lift axle and that would make life a lot easier
I gotta better solution, number 1 keep practicing backing you will get it as you stay positive trying, number 2 just turn down every bit of freight going there in northeast and let the video super star guy haul all the freight going up there lmfao
How about putting the fing camera down and helping the driver? Is your package so fing small you need to compensate by insulting other drivers? Some men down on their luck would delete you for the disrespect.
How many morons are going to make the same idiotic comment. You don't see his trainer trying to back him in. What do you want me to get out and tell his training I'll take over from here. People on UA-cam have to be the dumbest idiots on the planet, I swear.
With my spread axle 53 ft flat bed and extended frame truck i go to walmart to park or some big shopping plaza. Never at truck stop.
Man I hate these truck stops. Diagonal spots are so stupid...
Nice that people are helping him. When i was backing my dryvan for 20 minutes people just stared. And one old man got out smoking a pipe looked at his trailer as if he thought i hit it. Pricks.
You guys are nice. Any help is much appreciated😊
He needs to find another spot because it looks like people just park everywhere
This is Why I don’t stay at Truckstop!
I drive a flat and a step one is 48” the other 53”. That spread axle turn radius is a tricky thing but one should get use to it after a while. This guy backs like a van or reefer guy.
Dump the air in the trailer air bags.
I pull spread axle flatbed trailers on a daily basis I think some drivers are worried to jackknife or slide that 4th axle in a tight spot like that just cause it's a spread axle trailer...but he can get the trailer in the hole if he gets the 5th axle close to the front tire {maybe 1 foot }of the burgundy truck and then jack knife the trailer in the hole
And he is not pulling up and straightening out when he needs to.
@@joshkrause2977 agreed 👍🏾
Spreads require you to constantly be getting in and out of the angle, i have one warehouse i have to back a door with a foot to each side and just enough room for truck and trailer between the door and a fence to make a 90° back.
Flatbed backing in spread axle is harder than regular dryvan
I've done both,never had no trouble.Somepeople just make it harder
@@carlinbrumback8931 agree. Not harder but you definitely have to adjust a bit when driving split axle
@@sweetness2689 I guess once you get familiar with it ,a spread is not so bad.But,turning around you sure need more room.LOL
I have never drove nothing but a spread axle . If I have trouble like this. I move on down the rd somewhere else.
@@stevesemar7106 You gotta try tanker Steve.I did flT for 20 yrs.Wish I had moved sooner.Less work and more money
The spot is fine he just have to judge right and can put it in with no problem..
I hate backing my spread axle flatbed. My tires bend nasty all sorts of ways
Dump valve solves that problem
Or blindside backing
Ya bro i also haul 53 feets spread reefer dumping the axle help so much
One other trick I learned is to slide 5th wheel to give you a bit more room
Now if the truck has a fixed fifth wheel and fixed spring suspension on the trailer
You just need to learn the pivot point
@@stewslogisticsllc9460 I wouldn't recommend it
Dump that last axle" problem solved!
When your trailer has dump valve on it you don’t have this problem. I have a 48’ step deck spread with a 280” wheelbase KW W900 pulling it. That dump valve helps out a heck of a lot when backing!!!
Can you explain the dump valve and what it does to help in backing?
When you push or flip the dump valve switch it empties out the air bags on rear axle and all the weight is on the front axle. So when backing the rear axle is “dead” and just glides across pavement and makes trailer turn a lot quicker
@@timlane1117 Ahhh ok, thank you for the explanation that makes sense 👍👍
Tim Lane most drivers don't know how to use a dump valve properly and end up overloading the other axle and causing problems that's why company trucks don't have dump valves at least that's what I was told
I've had "Large Cars" before. And I love spread axle Tri axle trailers. But these Flatbedders who buy a Double bunk condo and run with the 5th wheel all the way back cause of the headache rack.
Be a real flatbedder and spec the truck right. 240" wb 42" flattop now put your headache rack on. Then you can put your 5th wheel where your steers are at 12000 lbs full fuel. She'll ride like a Cadillac then.
Spread axles work against you when backing up. And I didn’t see the driver get out and look
That’s not a hard back with a spread axle he was lining up all wrong.
Arm chair quarterback over here
If you never drive a flatbed don’t comment that’s impossible to make a back up like that
I would've struggled this much in my dry van lol. Idk how ppl can park in these spots.
Maybe could've hugged the Cascadia on his left!
The company he works for probably just turned him loose with a split after he learned on a box. All I drive is a flat bed and there is no way at that trailer would fit in that spot
Why do N American trailers have such widespread axles? The extra tyre wear will also be reflected in damage to the road surface. A typical European trailer will have 3 closely spaced axles running on 386/65R22.5 tyres, thus saving 2 tyres & wheels over the this arrangement, to reduce the vehicles ULW.
Because a tandem in the US is legal for 34,000lbs while a spread axle is legal for 40,000lbs. Usually a spread axle trailer has a dump valve for the rear axle or the front axle might be a lift axle.
Three axle trailers aren’t common in North America other than in the north western states and Canada.
@@brandonpryormusic
40,000 lbs is about 18,000 Kg or 18 tonnes. On six axles in Europe 44 tonnes is pretty standard.
Why are you lot in the USA running around half loaded all the time.
So far behind with truck technology. Those massive bonneted trucks are gas guzzling, clumsy ego trips. Need an acre to turn and weigh as much as the load. What’s the point?
@@petittrainguernsey3297 he meant 40,000 lbs axle weight on the spread. In the US we have to be under gross and under axles weights for each axle or set if axles. A tandem axle setup can have no more than 34,000 lbs on the tandem. So a typical 5 axle rig has 12,000 on the steer axle, 34,000 on the drive tandems, and 34,000 on the trailer tandems. For a total of 80,000 lbs gross. With a spread axle, if the axles are at least 10’ apart they’re considered separate axles so they’re allowed 20,000 on each axle.
That's a 53' flatbed, he probably doesnt have the switch in his truck to lift the front axle. Either way he needs more experience and confidence with that trailer.
Bingo
In case you didn't know,every hiway truck comes with a lift axle switch,as you can see that trailer axle cannot lift..
Lifting the front axle only makes it harder to cut when backing
Atleast u tried 2 help
PRACTICE, PLUS TIME = EXPERIENCE!
I use to pull guys like this out of the ditch in the winter 🥶
The know it all with the camera should back it in for him🤔
That’s Rick roehl red freighliner , that flatbed driver is handling that trailer like a dry van trailer.
What's the difference backing up a dry and a spread axle flat bed ? I never driven a flat bed and I'm just curious
@@seanmcguire6011 The rear axle is the pivot axle and the front axle skids which makes the turning radius even longer when there is weight on the trailer.
Thing about tight spots is that every inch counts and also in this situation I'd turn pull up turn hard left and then back in. It takes some pressure off his trouble side
fit air lift rear axle.....BUTTA
HO WOW #1 Truck driver 🤓👍
Don’t understand why this guy couldn’t get it in. Looks to have a ton of space to work with and the burgundy truck was even parked over for more space. A modified 45 would put it in easily. And spaces even all look angled too
Hotshot got the spot.
TA at Willington CT u parked that specific spot where you at and another driver almost took my bumper
That's funny isn't not an impossible parking spot.
1. It's the blind leading the blind.
2. You should know that with a spread, it tends to make its own trail and cuts inside faster than a traditional tandem.
Use trailer brake to hold rear in place while you line up the front of the trailef
@@moparjr89 Wwhhaaatt???
@@moparjr89 That is a crock of shit Donald Chump. WTF??
Good people for helping
Put a dump on the front axle. Problem solved. It'll back in a spot easier also
If Lamont has his way with the TCI gas tax in Connecticut, you will never see another truck in the state.
Good,hopefully that state collapse without the trucks then 😂
It’s a shame he didn’t or couldn’t dump any one of those trailers axles. All spread axle trailers with air bags are manufactured with mandatory axle air suspension dump valves.
This rookie helping him back....ur on the wrong side...be on the driver side..
and then @ 6:05 (as if on cue) the hotshot just backs right in and drops the mic... DAMMIT!!!!!!!
Backing that little hot shot and backing a spread axle trailer are comparing apples to oranges
Yeah except that hotshot is a lot smaller and can maneuver thru easily than the big rig
NO SHIT.Lot smaller,and no spread axle
Mic drop from a hotshot? Yeah right
He probably tired so it took a little time to get it in there
For all you people that don't don't pull flatbed don't know the secret of throwing sand down under which axel you want to slide if you don't follow them you don't know the trick getaclue
U know every time I see flatbed trying to back up and they couldn’t. Well I think u need a talent to back up. I saw so many old truckers on beautiful big rigs backing up like they just got a CDL. So backing up not for every experience driver, u gotta need that talent. Glad I got it. I can do 90 degrees easily. That’s my favorite angle 😜
First thing my father taught me...backing up, I was backing up long before I ever drove forward. He told me "son, any fool can drive this thing forward"....that was 25yrs ago.
Yea & u probably have a setback steer axle & a fixed tandem slid up 10 ft. U have no clue or u wouldn't be talking like u do
@@martincurrie4209 every guy is a master on their playstation.😋
@@harleyhawk7959 really!! They have a game on play station???!!
@@martincurrie4209 my use of playstation is generic term
Why didn't you unhook, give the guy more room.
that's a valid point... however our videographer isn't the MAIN issue... the MAIN issue is the guy backing up... a combo of poor decision making and poor driving skills...so yea our video guy could help him out and that's fine no problem with that at all... but what happens to our poor driver the next time when there's nobody there to bail him out... then what?
If you can't park it, drive it !
Wait... That guy with the spread axle is able to slide rear tendon forward. All he had to do is push the rear tendons forward so he can be able to park. Then when he is able to leave out he can reposition it back to spread axle... :/ 7:23 but im not sure if it be hard to reposition with the weight on the trailer. so I would not know.
I was thinking the same... And where the load is, all the weight is on that front axle.
It's "Tandem" not a "tendon"
@@bruce29775 Thanks, I know messed up the word. But I got lazy never got back to fixing it.
@@Vanholtz05 Having the axles together make it easy to turn. Spread axle have a 50/50 chance of blowing the tire by making those move to many time.
That’s a good way to rip the front trailer axle or the front axle tires off. 👍
Na it doesn't hurt em . It only makes it harder as the tires aren't pointing in the same direction. Can cause trailer to roll over.
No dump valve? I hate spread axle trailers but I feel like that guy doesn't know what he's doing.
Yeah, flatbedders don't back. And the worst part about a spread is one you don't know what axle will be your pivot, and tow they just take forever to turn.
Is that Ray Romano narrating
Dump the dam air and you can spin on a dime and save rubber
Flatbed trailers/trucks don’t all have dump valve
@@MantimeHustle thats funny all the ones i pulled had a axle dump
@@shanewilson9115 Been with 5 flatbed companies.None had a dump valve.
@@carlinbrumback8931 another know it all
The parking gods,,go find parking elswhere
this is why I drive straight truck 🚒 lol
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but why not just look for a different place to park?
I do a lot worse than that to my spread axle every day running local around Buffalo
1:30 don’t think he can hear ya.
He's not even listening
Oops no its not. Just line up right!
Well tell him
That spread don't have nuttn to do with it..it's having the room and proper set up ...plain and simple
Of course the spread makes it harder... 2 axles tight together turn way better then this shit, I still fon´t get why they even use such spread... it´s just bad for the tires..
Can’t comment on that cause I’m not a company driver. I own my truck and trailer. It’s a shame that a company can some what “educate” on driving and not give a 30 min lesson on reason for the dump valve. Again this is why I own my equipment
Prob don’t have the switch setup from truck to trailer. I had to go to my shop and get a third airline put in and switch installed on dash
G.O.A.L(Get Out And Look)
The E log say 10 minutes to off duty
Ohh please find onother spot
The good old 10-1 spread if you do not know what you are doing you are fucked, the rear axle should be a lift axle and that would make life a lot easier
Must not be paying for the tires.
Try fr blind side
So get out and help him.
Lift one axle.
Simple. Blow the bag🤣
what is he trying to do
My '48 Peterbilt can do that. CW McCall says..
I despise you sneaky recorders. And it seems that you’re in the way also
I gotta better solution, number 1 keep practicing backing you will get it as you stay positive trying, number 2 just turn down every bit of freight going there in northeast and let the video super star guy haul all the freight going up there lmfao
Blow the bag! Geeesh. Its a lift axle, blow the bag it will turn. Simple parking spot🤦🏿♂️
Holy shit
look at it would ya just look at it well look at that
Therz fukn Volvo in d way thts why
How about putting the fing camera down and helping the driver? Is your package so fing small you need to compensate by insulting other drivers? Some men down on their luck would delete you for the disrespect.
Those fucking trailers suck , unless you have the dump valve !
Damnn
You should move from there give him more room instead of recording him
To late again, 🥺
Ummmm ......Dam 🤦
Instead criticize get out and help 🤷
How many morons are going to make the same idiotic comment. You don't see his trainer trying to back him in. What do you want me to get out and tell his training I'll take over from here. People on UA-cam have to be the dumbest idiots on the planet, I swear.
Excuse me, can I borrow money for grandpa?
If you pull a spread and don't have a lift on the front axle you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
That plaza was not made so good for trucks
The guy just can't back up, must be ex employee of Swift, CR England, JB Hunt,
You going have helped but no you didn't
This is just Cringe. Fully loaded spread axle ain't doing anything of type of tight turning like that.
It would’ve been easy but people like to park where their not supposed too
This is the exact reason i will not hire a driver for my truck. They just destroy your equipment
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Spread axles are dumb, no where else in the world uses them, only North America.
Needs to get out and look. Quit trusting others
Yet,,, Another flip-flop wearing driver. Gross!
Funny comment 😄
This driver recording makes himself look like a $$$ why didn’t you get out and help the guy instead of recording and talking $$$$
American trailers complete joke. Cannot even reverse in turn without damaging tyres.