Ed, these 1-on-1 interviews are fantastic! We get a chance to have the pro analyze and explain while we learn to better our techniques. This differentiates you from many other PB content creators. It's now part of your brand. It's the main reason I've subscribed to your channel. Technique can vary between pros. So, this is an incredible source of information and inspiration. Well done!
I am so impressed with how well Jaume explains and breaks down each part of the movement that he is demonstrating. Thanks Ed for bringing a pro like him onto your channel. It's so important to get the proper direction in executing something correctly so you don't waste hours doing it the wrong way and then more hours unlearning that mistake to do it the right way.
Ed's channel has always been awesome but Jaume's insights are just absolutely invaluable and so important. Best player in the game imho, would love if he became a "regular" guest of some kind.
Hello, Mrs Vich. Surprised to find you here. Lately, in the rankings, he's hanging around just below the top ten, but I'm sure he's still number one to you.
Yes the explanation of the mechanics of the movement and then the up close slow-mo captures are on point and exactly the type of content that I find extremely helpful!
The Whip is the perfect analogy. I did Martial Arts for 25 years and a punch is the same mechanics. Relaxed, whip the arm out like a whip, generate power from ground to legs to hips. Fist only tightens on impact then relaxes straight away. I only started playing pickelball but have this movement in my serve already because of Martial Arts - that movement is already built into my body so I don't have to think about it which makes me even more relaxed.
After watching Jaume's serve enough times to start picking up some more nuanced insights, I'd say that maybe the thing I appreciate most is how compact and efficient his serve is, as well as the way he replicates that motion so well.
Time Stamps: 0:00 - How Jaume Holds His Paddle 1:18 - Slow Motion Breakdown & Analysis 2:50 - How Jaume Drives 4:20 - Breaking Down Timing 5:14 - Jaume's Serve Close Up 5:16 - How good are the drills? 6:24 - Recommended Exercise
This guys the best !!! Tennis players are the best pickleball players obv. It’s mini tennis for him. The hand speed is just different. Dropping the tip of the paddle is key. He’s great great content!!! More please with Jaume!!!!!
Hey just coming at this from a more mathematical perspective and hopefully this can explain why wrist lag and flicking the ball can generate power and why using muscle is still important. This might get long but hopefully this is helpful. So the first factor in how much velocity you impart on the ball is the kinetic energy of the paddle. Kinetic energy is calculated as KE = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. So if you double the mass of the paddle you would double the velocity but if you double the speed of the paddle you would quadruple the velocity of the ball. Where strength comes into play is resisting the motion of the paddle backwards. Every time you hit the ball you are causing a collision and when the ball hits your paddle some energy is lost. If you hit the ball with little force behind the ball more of the balls kinetic energy is lost in decelerating your paddle and that is energy that cant be returned into the ball. By using muscle to resist the impact and deceleration of the paddle you leave more kinetic energy left in the system (inertial reference frame to be precise) and that energy is then shared by both the paddle and the ball. This is the difference between rolling a ball into another ball in which case both will be knocked away from one another or rolling a ball into another ball but instead the static ball is pushed up against a wall. The ball in motion will bounce back much further since the second ball cannot be pushed backwards and thus returning more energy to the moving ball. This is why a shot with the same head speed like a flick and a drive the ball at different velocities. You can see at 2:51 that your paddle head is moving very quickly but since there is little muscle behind it the paddle head loses speed more noticeably than on a the previous videos of drives. Hope this helps.
I tried this grip and adapted within two play sessions. I had previously used a similar grip, but only for a crazy powerful topspin serve that was never reliable enough in accuracy to use regularly. I really like the extra snap on the ball when I pick a ball off at full extension.
omg yes, I was right on these skills even before the video was over 😂! Relates to piano playing! Zane also talk about hitting loose, but this does a deep dive, thank you! Let’s go!
Ed this grip really works. Did it in morning session I tried it and power and spin is accessed so much easier. I didn’t even feel out of control in hand battles. Thank you!
He really is. Not gonna lie, I was intimidated to meet him for the first time because I knew he was a great player- but he was instantly very friendly, funny, and super down to earth.
It's funny how people assume the physics of pickleball resembles the physics of shot put, so they keep pushing hard long after the ball it gone, because it _looks_ muscular. In the simple model of how the paddle contacts the ball, the track of the contact point on the paddle and the track of the ball are collinear. This can only happen if the ball is struck flush by a paddle moving directly toward the ball, to produce a flat impact, adding no extra spin. The dwell time is so short you can treat impact as instantaneous, meaning that no steering of the paddle during this time makes any difference. The input point will also be stationary with respect to the frame of the pickleball court. According to a paper I found, the five relevant variables are going to be relative velocity, the hitting weight of the paddle at the point of impact, the ratio of ball stiffness to paddle stiffness, and the coefficients of restitution of the ball and of the paddle. Because the COR of the ball and paddle are not hugely different, the effect of stiffness in determining how much each COR contributes is a relatively minor term. Hitting weight has a fairly large impact on how much energy is returned to the paddle instead of the ball. This depends on many parameters of the paddle, mostly concerned its mass distribution, and the point of impact on the paddle face. To get more swing weight, you probably want an impact point somewhat closer to the tip than the natural balance point. Those are all the small to medium factors. By far the dominant factor is relative impact velocity. To get a high linear velocity, you have to accelerate the entire mass of the paddle, plus your forearm. If you are lunging forward, you have to accelerate your whole body. How fast can you lunge forward in the time available on the serve? Not very much. For rotational velocity where you pivot at the wrist, you only have to accelerate the mass of the paddle concentrated at the far end. 4 oz instead of 200 lbs. In hockey, in the slapshot competition, they add about 5 mph to a 100 mph slapshot by taking a walking start. Now for the downside. For a non-accelerating linear motion, if you mess up your ball contact time, but still hit your sweet spot, you get the same ball motion, with a tiny time offset. The non-acceleration part only matters for maybe a ten inch path as you strike through the ball where your contact point is linked to your timing accuracy. Even if you are still accelerating, the change in velocity as a function of time is likely minor, and your ball distance won't be hugely impacted. For rotating motion with a high angular velocity, the direction your paddle is facing is highly dependent upon achieving a precise contact time. The ball will go all over the place if your timing is messed up. This is particularly challenging on a bounce serve on a windy day, or on a court with too much drainage slope, so that the bounce is strange. Rotation is king, but you will have to practice the snot out of your timing to make it into a consistent weapon.
One thing to note about hanging your pinky off the handle is that when you flip to the backhand, it moves your sweet spot further to the left. I was struggling to defend my body properly using this grip until I figured this out.
It’s what is known in tennis as a wrist lag, note that the butt cap of the paddle is pointing forward when you slow down Jaume’s swing. He does it because of his tennis background, but it’s a good learning point for pickleball players. That action provides power and spin, particularly if the wrist is loose, as he states.
Hey ed, thank you for both of these videos.. amazing stuff. Practiced this serve for a few hours then implemented in a game.. oh my goodness it was lethal even when I just focused on my base. Can’t wait to try more.
Loved this detailed content. More please. Can't wait to experiment with looseness and wrist lag. ...... Loved how you put the detailed time stamp on his serve (600 ms). As an idea for a future video, it would be fun if you could set the camera up to show what receiving a pro serve looks like, then show a normal slow (4.0) serve for contrast, both with elapsed time stamps.
Mahalo - Team? Hesacore Jaume, Jilly B and you. I got my tour grip this weekend. Originally heard JB mention that JV turned her on to it Then finally you and JV giving details about the how and why made me order it. It’s an adjustment but so far seems to be helping. I was thinking about the games I won today (6 undefeated) while driving and noticed I was gripping my steering wheel the same way - lol Also a couple weeks ago I stumbled upon (rediscovered) a bowling aid- Rosin bag , that combined with Hesacore No Ka Oi! My setup is GB Pro Power Elongated, Hesacore, a head tennis over grip, a bit of coban, and ~ .5 lead at 3 and 9 o’clock
Ed, ...It's just day 4 of my pickleball life and today i used this technique and already guys were saying my serve has improved. Wow.....I was so happy 😁
Ask a question, does this technique only work for the tennis player type of griping style, or it works for continental or hand shape type of griping style?
Loading = putting all of your weight on one leg, notice how he is bending and putting weight on his right foot, then uses the ground to produce leg energy, mostly off of his right leg. Loading = power. The lower you get the more power, and more lift on the ball when you hit under it. This action reduces hitting balls into the net.
So I've been playing around w/this hanging pinky style grip for awhile now and really like it. But I've found some nuances w/it depending on the paddle I use. It's not the most comfortable grip with paddle handles that are slightly flared at the bottom w/hard edges (like on SixZero paddles) cause the edges dig into the side of my pinky. I don't have this issue w/Gearbox handles cause the handle bottom doesn't flare and is rounded. And I also discovered that possibly the best handle for my version of this grip style is ProXR's eastern slim handle that they used on John Cincola's old branded paddle. Because the bottom of the handle is slanted and not flat, my pinky actually has something to rest on instead of gripping nothing or being pushed up against the flat bottom of a normal handle. Plus it also has rounded edges. So that combination makes the grip very comfortable and stable w/this handle. I haven't used this paddle in ages but will have to try it out again on the courts w/this new grip style.
@@t81629 Yeah as much as possible. The pinky will either be off or at the very bottom edge. I tend to topspin a lot so the extra leverage helps I feel.
@@t81629 Well not just on the backhand, you should lock the wrist on any dink really unless you want to try a surprise speedup flick. With a backhand dink I'll often go two-handed to provide more stability & control.
Can an advance player defeat a beginner, while playing with a pencil grip on the paddle, like in ping pong? Could this be the equalizer that beginners can demand for fairness.
Pro golfers know their club head speed and they know. How fast or slow they are with each club. So you’re on the right track with paddle speed determines speed and spin
Hey Ed, this video and the previous one with Jaume are really excellent. More please!
Ed, these 1-on-1 interviews are fantastic! We get a chance to have the pro analyze and explain while we learn to better our techniques. This differentiates you from many other PB content creators. It's now part of your brand. It's the main reason I've subscribed to your channel. Technique can vary between pros. So, this is an incredible source of information and inspiration. Well done!
I am so impressed with how well Jaume explains and breaks down each part of the movement that he is demonstrating. Thanks Ed for bringing a pro like him onto your channel. It's so important to get the proper direction in executing something correctly so you don't waste hours doing it the wrong way and then more hours unlearning that mistake to do it the right way.
Jaume, Annie, videos are incredible pieces of detail and insights. Please continue to include more content like this…….. excellent work Ed!
And now he is a PPA tour winner against Ben Johns! Congrats to Juame 🎉
Most important pickleball video I have ever watched. Literally game changing!
Ed's channel has always been awesome but Jaume's insights are just absolutely invaluable and so important. Best player in the game imho, would love if he became a "regular" guest of some kind.
Hello, Mrs Vich. Surprised to find you here. Lately, in the rankings, he's hanging around just below the top ten, but I'm sure he's still number one to you.
Yes the explanation of the mechanics of the movement and then the up close slow-mo captures are on point and exactly the type of content that I find extremely helpful!
The Whip is the perfect analogy. I did Martial Arts for 25 years and a punch is the same mechanics. Relaxed, whip the arm out like a whip, generate power from ground to legs to hips. Fist only tightens on impact then relaxes straight away. I only started playing pickelball but have this movement in my serve already because of Martial Arts - that movement is already built into my body so I don't have to think about it which makes me even more relaxed.
Just like Bruce Lee one inch punch.
This is my favorite player, he's the reason I'm really into this sport now.
This guy is incredible and a great teacher! Thanks for this content.
After watching Jaume's serve enough times to start picking up some more nuanced insights, I'd say that maybe the thing I appreciate most is how compact and efficient his serve is, as well as the way he replicates that motion so well.
I agree with Bob, Jaume is an excellent coach! Could he do a video on how he hits drop shots?
Time Stamps:
0:00 - How Jaume Holds His Paddle
1:18 - Slow Motion Breakdown & Analysis
2:50 - How Jaume Drives
4:20 - Breaking Down Timing
5:14 - Jaume's Serve Close Up
5:16 - How good are the drills?
6:24 - Recommended Exercise
Great video. Love the information before the demonstration, the slo mo is the icing on the cake. Perfect👌
This guys the best !!! Tennis players are the best pickleball players obv. It’s mini tennis for him. The hand speed is just different. Dropping the tip of the paddle is key. He’s great great content!!! More please with Jaume!!!!!
Hey just coming at this from a more mathematical perspective and hopefully this can explain why wrist lag and flicking the ball can generate power and why using muscle is still important. This might get long but hopefully this is helpful.
So the first factor in how much velocity you impart on the ball is the kinetic energy of the paddle. Kinetic energy is calculated as KE = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. So if you double the mass of the paddle you would double the velocity but if you double the speed of the paddle you would quadruple the velocity of the ball.
Where strength comes into play is resisting the motion of the paddle backwards. Every time you hit the ball you are causing a collision and when the ball hits your paddle some energy is lost. If you hit the ball with little force behind the ball more of the balls kinetic energy is lost in decelerating your paddle and that is energy that cant be returned into the ball. By using muscle to resist the impact and deceleration of the paddle you leave more kinetic energy left in the system (inertial reference frame to be precise) and that energy is then shared by both the paddle and the ball. This is the difference between rolling a ball into another ball in which case both will be knocked away from one another or rolling a ball into another ball but instead the static ball is pushed up against a wall. The ball in motion will bounce back much further since the second ball cannot be pushed backwards and thus returning more energy to the moving ball.
This is why a shot with the same head speed like a flick and a drive the ball at different velocities. You can see at 2:51 that your paddle head is moving very quickly but since there is little muscle behind it the paddle head loses speed more noticeably than on a the previous videos of drives. Hope this helps.
These are fantastic videos with Jaume, love the up close and personal content. Very insightful and what a great teacher 😄
Thank you! It is unbelievable how much the mechanics of PB are similar to Golf.
I tried this grip and adapted within two play sessions. I had previously used a similar grip, but only for a crazy powerful topspin serve that was never reliable enough in accuracy to use regularly. I really like the extra snap on the ball when I pick a ball off at full extension.
Just to clarify, are you gripping with the pinky hanging off? If so, any updates on how things are going?
Awesome video....This was super helpful and insightful. Jaume is an amazing player.
omg yes, I was right on these skills even before the video was over 😂! Relates to piano playing! Zane also talk about hitting loose, but this does a deep dive, thank you! Let’s go!
Really enjoyed this video. Jaume is master class
Great video! And yes, more like this please. (Jaume is great!)
Amazing videos with Jaume!! Very educational and very good teacher!! 🫡
Ed this grip really works. Did it in morning session I tried it and power and spin is accessed so much easier. I didn’t even feel out of control in hand battles. Thank you!
Ayyy get it
Like your videos a lot. Better than so many other PB videos :)
Jaume is the man and my fav pro! Great content can’t wait to use this when I hit the courts. Hawaii stand up!
More!!! We like it up close!
I am paying close attention to his foot placement and the way the knees bend in the windup. Very helpful.
Thanks Ed. Similar to a downcock in the golf swing, looseness of the wrist is key.
Keep it coming! 👏🏼 Jaume is the man, one of the funnest people right now in the sport
He really is. Not gonna lie, I was intimidated to meet him for the first time because I knew he was a great player- but he was instantly very friendly, funny, and super down to earth.
It's funny how people assume the physics of pickleball resembles the physics of shot put, so they keep pushing hard long after the ball it gone, because it _looks_ muscular.
In the simple model of how the paddle contacts the ball, the track of the contact point on the paddle and the track of the ball are collinear. This can only happen if the ball is struck flush by a paddle moving directly toward the ball, to produce a flat impact, adding no extra spin.
The dwell time is so short you can treat impact as instantaneous, meaning that no steering of the paddle during this time makes any difference. The input point will also be stationary with respect to the frame of the pickleball court. According to a paper I found, the five relevant variables are going to be relative velocity, the hitting weight of the paddle at the point of impact, the ratio of ball stiffness to paddle stiffness, and the coefficients of restitution of the ball and of the paddle. Because the COR of the ball and paddle are not hugely different, the effect of stiffness in determining how much each COR contributes is a relatively minor term.
Hitting weight has a fairly large impact on how much energy is returned to the paddle instead of the ball. This depends on many parameters of the paddle, mostly concerned its mass distribution, and the point of impact on the paddle face. To get more swing weight, you probably want an impact point somewhat closer to the tip than the natural balance point.
Those are all the small to medium factors. By far the dominant factor is relative impact velocity. To get a high linear velocity, you have to accelerate the entire mass of the paddle, plus your forearm. If you are lunging forward, you have to accelerate your whole body. How fast can you lunge forward in the time available on the serve? Not very much.
For rotational velocity where you pivot at the wrist, you only have to accelerate the mass of the paddle concentrated at the far end. 4 oz instead of 200 lbs. In hockey, in the slapshot competition, they add about 5 mph to a 100 mph slapshot by taking a walking start.
Now for the downside.
For a non-accelerating linear motion, if you mess up your ball contact time, but still hit your sweet spot, you get the same ball motion, with a tiny time offset. The non-acceleration part only matters for maybe a ten inch path as you strike through the ball where your contact point is linked to your timing accuracy. Even if you are still accelerating, the change in velocity as a function of time is likely minor, and your ball distance won't be hugely impacted.
For rotating motion with a high angular velocity, the direction your paddle is facing is highly dependent upon achieving a precise contact time. The ball will go all over the place if your timing is messed up. This is particularly challenging on a bounce serve on a windy day, or on a court with too much drainage slope, so that the bounce is strange.
Rotation is king, but you will have to practice the snot out of your timing to make it into a consistent weapon.
never heard of the whip, makes sense and something Ill work on. Now I know why my buddy can hit the ball so hard. Im on to his tricks
One thing to note about hanging your pinky off the handle is that when you flip to the backhand, it moves your sweet spot further to the left. I was struggling to defend my body properly using this grip until I figured this out.
Thanks Ed and Jaume. Jaume, hope you have a great 2024 pro season!
It’s what is known in tennis as a wrist lag, note that the butt cap of the paddle is pointing forward when you slow down Jaume’s swing. He does it because of his tennis background, but it’s a good learning point for pickleball players. That action provides power and spin, particularly if the wrist is loose, as he states.
Pet the dog
Wrist lag
It’s the key forehands in tennis
Hey ed, thank you for both of these videos.. amazing stuff. Practiced this serve for a few hours then implemented in a game.. oh my goodness it was lethal even when I just focused on my base. Can’t wait to try more.
many people with tennis background holds like that including me, however, new and table tennis/ping pong background people holds up high and tight.
Loved this detailed content. More please. Can't wait to experiment with looseness and wrist lag. ...... Loved how you put the detailed time stamp on his serve (600 ms). As an idea for a future video, it would be fun if you could set the camera up to show what receiving a pro serve looks like, then show a normal slow (4.0) serve for contrast, both with elapsed time stamps.
Awesome video! Awesome guy as well! Let’s see more please.
The two videos is full of awesome information. Thanks. Keep them coming.
Very informative video, especially with the slo-mo. Thanks.
Great video, congrats to both of you!!
Love the content! Can't wait to implement this into my play!
Thx Ed for sharing and to Jaume for sharing some really nice tips!
Mahalo - Team? Hesacore Jaume, Jilly B and you. I got my tour grip this weekend. Originally heard JB mention that JV turned her on to it Then finally you and JV giving details about the how and why made me order it. It’s an adjustment but so far seems to be helping.
I was thinking about the games I won today (6 undefeated) while driving and noticed I was gripping my steering wheel the same way - lol
Also a couple weeks ago I stumbled upon (rediscovered) a bowling aid- Rosin bag , that combined with Hesacore No Ka Oi!
My setup is GB Pro Power Elongated, Hesacore, a head tennis over grip, a bit of coban, and ~ .5 lead at 3 and 9 o’clock
@jaume you need to have a clinic! So we can sign up!
This was the best content i have seen today on pickle ball 😊. Love from India. Keeping it going buddy. So i have subscribed😊
Ed, ...It's just day 4 of my pickleball life and today i used this technique and already guys were saying my serve has improved. Wow.....I was so happy 😁
This was interesting but I'd also have liked to hear if he is using a continental grip or a modified grip. Good stuff.
Ask a question, does this technique only work for the tennis player type of griping style, or it works for continental or hand shape type of griping style?
I saw Jaume at Dallas this year. Insanely nice nice nice guy.
Great video. More pros instructional videos please.😊😊
Love this type of content!
Unbelievable material. Thanks for sharing
Great video Ed and Jaume, I’m trying to change my serve already haha
Excellent content and thanks for sharing.
Loading = putting all of your weight on one leg, notice how he is bending and putting weight on his right foot, then uses the ground to produce leg energy, mostly off of his right leg. Loading = power. The lower you get the more power, and more lift on the ball when you hit under it. This action reduces hitting balls into the net.
That was awesome!!
Yes, this is great stuff, more please, thank you.
It looks like an eastern forehand grip. Does he use if for all shots or does he switch to a continental for volleys, dinking etc?
So I've been playing around w/this hanging pinky style grip for awhile now and really like it. But I've found some nuances w/it depending on the paddle I use. It's not the most comfortable grip with paddle handles that are slightly flared at the bottom w/hard edges (like on SixZero paddles) cause the edges dig into the side of my pinky. I don't have this issue w/Gearbox handles cause the handle bottom doesn't flare and is rounded. And I also discovered that possibly the best handle for my version of this grip style is ProXR's eastern slim handle that they used on John Cincola's old branded paddle. Because the bottom of the handle is slanted and not flat, my pinky actually has something to rest on instead of gripping nothing or being pushed up against the flat bottom of a normal handle. Plus it also has rounded edges. So that combination makes the grip very comfortable and stable w/this handle. I haven't used this paddle in ages but will have to try it out again on the courts w/this new grip style.
Any updates on your grip, are you still holding the paddle with the pinky hanging off? How is it going?
@@t81629 Yeah as much as possible. The pinky will either be off or at the very bottom edge. I tend to topspin a lot so the extra leverage helps I feel.
@@yojironin Thank you for replying. Do you use this during dinks? The reason I ask is, Ben Johns says to cock and lock the wrist on the backhand.
@@t81629 Well not just on the backhand, you should lock the wrist on any dink really unless you want to try a surprise speedup flick. With a backhand dink I'll often go two-handed to provide more stability & control.
@@yojironin Thank you for the tips!
Enjoyed this video. Hard to tell what style of grip he's using. Is it continental or semi eastern? Thx!
This would have been way more helpful to see how the same grip works for backhand hits, both dinking and attacking
Excellent video!! Thank you! Is that an eastern grip he’s using?
This very helpful to think about
Ed does JMV play with his pinky off of the paddle all the time. I tried it and I think I could really like that grip.
Thank you, looks great.
Does Jaume use eastern or semi western grip? Many have asked but Ed, can you confirm?
Great video. More please!
Top quality vid!!!
How about having the receiver wear a GoPro so we can see how fast a Pro serve is?
Thank you Jaume
Great video, cheers!
Good video brother! I like your content.
Nice video. When does Juame play again?
Hey Ed, I was wondering which hesacore grip he uses on his DBD?
Do you know what grip Juame uses for serves and drives? Eastern, Semi-Western?
It looks like mostly eastern with some in-between eastern and semi-western.
Eastern.
the Saitama reference got me 🤣
Awesome content!
Well done!
You should check out Federer's wrist lag.
How can you not like this type of content if you are trying to improve in PB. More plz
Incredible. 🎉. Do u have on back hand
I've served that way from day one because I'm from a ping pong background!
Can an advance player defeat a beginner, while playing with a pencil grip on the paddle, like in ping pong? Could this be the equalizer that beginners can demand for fairness.
Great instuctional video.
like the slo mo
hat mic goes hard fr
What grip does he use? Is that a western grip? Aka pancake grip?
Also, does he actually keep some fingers of the handle or was that just an example?
I 've never seen Juame on the PPA circuit.
I learned this while playing golf, lag =speed/power
"the very kind tennis players" lolol
The wrist lag is to generate power.
mucho mas
What’s the grip? Eastern?
Which kind of hesacore grip does he ise
Does he use sorry
And he doesn’t use overwrap on the Hesagrip!
Pro golfers know their club head speed and they know. How fast or slow they are with each club. So you’re on the right track with paddle speed determines speed and spin
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