WARNING! watch my MAIDEN of the E-Flite Twin Timber BEFORE you buy!
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2023
- **********UPDATE**************SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
I am VERY disappointed with E-Flite and Horizon Hobbies LACK of customer Service. WARNING buy this plane at your own risk! Watch my MAIDEN BEFORE you loose $379! Watch to the end for Horizon Hobbies response for a refund!
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Watch to the end for Horizon Hobbies response for a refund!
That's BS on HH my friend!🤦🏾♂️! You should of fought a little more with them. I had a similar experience twice with Horizon Hobby. The first one was a year ago with a brand new Focke-Wulf FW 190A BNF. After I put it together I found out that an aileron servo and a flap servo were not working at all. I contacted them and they told me that same BS, they offered me to send me the 2 servos for me to install them. I told them that this was a brand new plane and that I paid a lot of money for it and that I wasn't going to accept anything less than a replacement aircraft or my money back. I was told that I needed to send them first my plane for then to inspect it then for then to decide if you send me a new one. I told them that that was going to be impossible for me because I had already got rid of the plane's box. After a long back and forward they agreed to send me the new aircraft and to have me use that same box to send back the bad one... Men that was a brutal back and forward with them.
My 2nd experience was when my brand new 80mm F16 Thunderbirds BNF. My F16 was totally crazy... Nothing appears to be working properly. I programed it by the book and also had installed the afterburner ring on her. I contacted HH ,described the issue to them and after following their troubleshooting instructions they came to the conclusion that my aircraft came with a defective receiver. They offered me to send me a new receiver for her. I told them the same thing, that this was a brand new and expensive aircraft , and that I wasn't going to deal with disconnecting and connecting all that spaghetti of cables to install a new receiver that wasn't even going to arrive pre-programmed with the plane's settings. They told me that it was easy to download the plane's settings through the internet so I could program the new receiver. I told them that I wasn't a computer guru and that if they weren't going to send me a new aircraft I was going to send mine back for a full refund. I wasn't going to do unnecessary mechanics on a brand new plane, that was ridiculous. At the end they decided to send me a new plane with another afterburner ring because the 1st one was already glued to the plane. Don't let them send you the servos. Those are sales tricks from their customer service people not to lose money sending you a new plane. Escalade your complaint abs have them send you a new aircraft... I even threatened them with a lawsuit if they would've denied my request for a replacement aircraft or full refund. After that they told me that it wasn't going to be necessary to go that far and that they were going to send me a replacement aircraft right away.
Sorry for this long story... But I just felt your frustration because it happened to me too my friend...
I hope that you can get a new plane from then soon. Please DON'T ACCEPT REPLACEMENT PARTS FROM THEM! Have then send you a new plane.
Have a great day my friend!... Good luck 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾🙏
Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷
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You need to fix your end screen card because it is covering your last blur and we can't read it... I suggest you to shorter the duration of it or to start a few seconds after your response from HH appears. In that way we can pause the video and read what you wrote. 👍🏾🇵🇷
I'm wondering if a slight change to the servo speed would change the resonance loop you are seeing in the ailerons. Try that one time and let me know what happens. I had that resonance thing on a 3D foam airplane and the only solution was to go back to analog servos..... didn't have speed adjustments on my transmitter back then.
@@ricardopr54 One of the members at our field has the fw190 from horizon and one of the retracts never worked from new. He is still waiting for the replacement retract months later. He flies it with gear down all the time.
Very surprised that Horizon Hobby did not just send you a whole new right wing. I got the Twin Timber and maidened it yesterday. It is the best timber yet and I flew it 5 battery's. Every thing was perfect with mine no issues and no trim needed. I did not assign reverse thrust as of yet how ever and will not do so till the water maiden. Fluttering can come from the AS3X Gains being too high as well. Not just a bad connection or wire.I know brand new planes that have a issue always is frustrating. Never the less let me assure you he Twin Timber is among the best stol flyer's out there. You have a better day and God Bless.
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks!
I agree with you, because I had the very same problems with my twin timber along with some other issues.
Well HH eventually sent me 2 servos, a whole wing and a decal set,
My right aileron servo was fluttering after initial bind. HH sent me a new servo immediately. My differential thrust favored to the left until I calibrated the ESC's... now it's spot on. I also run 30% expo on 100% rates... which gets rid of the sensitivity of the differential thrust during takeoff.
All good stuff! Yeah I will abandon the book settings now and go with 30%expo also.
I keep going back to this one to se how a seasoned professional copes with unexpected issues in flight. Back in the seventies, when I was a rookie, the true measure of proficiency was a modeller's ability to deal with problems in the air. My mentor was the ruling champion of home-limping non-crashers, and this performance reminds me of his best achievements. Respect!
Thanks so much. We'll I knew how she should have reacted and knew right away I had a fight on my hands.
good for you gregg, I hear ya, I saw brians flight the other day but I was asleep really didn't pay much attention ill go back and see how it flew for him, good luck
Well I will rework mine and give her a second chance.
I feel for ya I am new pilot, just got the elite umx turbo timber and my first flight was great no crashes. Second time out after a few minutes of basic flying (safe on) my plane nose dives into the ground. Broken real good, I order parts to fix being a new pilot not sure what happened. Well my new fuselage came and low and behold the elevator carbon rod was pulled out from how it attaches to the servo (metal rod to carbon rod connection) had failed. Hopefully they will help out but after watching this video I'm not so sure. If not I guess I will be getting fms planes from now on
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
I hear and can understand your frustration. It appears you got a bad plane. The numerous other reviews I've seen, maybe 5-6 or so, have all been positive; mostly very positive I would say. I would rate my experience with support, both customer and technical, from HH as about a 9 out of 10, I'm sorry they didn't treat you better in this particular instance.
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Same thing happened to me with my Night Timber X. Out of the box 4 servos were twitching out of control and almost melted. They got so hot they burned the crap out of my fingers when I went to check on them. Horizon also said it must've been my fault even though it was setup per the manual and I provided video and picture evidence. They offered to send servos as well but, didn't disclose that the only way to change them out is to essentially tear the wing apart. Fact of the matter is this. We choose to spend our hard earned money on something that is indented to be fun. It shouldn't be a 50/50 gamble on whether or not the product will function as it should, let alone be safe. Also... My father purchased one of their aircraft as a way to spend time together at the field since work and life doesn't always allow for much of that these days. He got the plane late February. He still hasn't been able to maiden it due to guess what? A faulty flap servo out of the box and a lengthy argument with Horizon about getting his brand new faulty plane returned. They eventually did relent and do an exchange however, now he's so burned out from dealing with them that the exchanged plane is just sitting in a box in his house. They've shown time and time again that they simply do not care about quality or customer experience. Hence why I've taken my money to places that do care about those things. Remember, every time we give them our business we show Horizon that this lack of quality is acceptable.
Here is my copy paste of the issue: The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you.
You absolutely don’t have to tear the wing apart to replace the servos on a timber X wing. You merely need to remove a square sticker and 3 screws. That’s it. It takes literal minutes.
HH just sent me a brand new Twin Otter BNF that had the receiver installed backwards. My maiden was a very short one 🤬 since it was in SAFE mode. Opened a case and they had me ship it back to them. Waiting to see what they do. I’m still pretty new to the hobby but learned that I can’t trust a new plane and have to verify every detail before attempting a first flight.
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
When I saw the warning in your title I was afraid you crashed. So glad that was not the case. My Apprentice S2 acted weird after my initial bind and bench test, but I rebound and everything tested out fine. If the programing is off out of the factory you need to be a Spectrum expert to fix things - very frustrating. Relax, take a step back, come back to it in a week or so- you'll get her flying perfect I'm sure. 👍
I wish that was the case and yes taking a step back is solid advice and a good practice. In this case however this is my 4th day on working with this plane . I finally got it fixed...I hope. This afternoon will be the remaiden . Update= SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
The good the bad and the ugly. Thank you sir
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Yeah turns out to be a crappy birthday present to myself! Now I wish I had gotten the freewing OV 10 Bronco instead.
You're my "influencer," and just saved me a bundle this morning. Thanks!
Here is my copy paste of the issue: The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you.
Letting them know you're unhappy was the right thing to do; we all tend to let these things pass out of laziness. If the problem turns out to be the receiver/stabilizer, you'll be welcome to the one I ripped out of my brand new Turbo Timber Evo this spring to install a LR system and an F4 FC running Arduplane. This video was very useful to those of us who have still not received our Twin Timbers, and need to know what components to check before we maiden the planes. Thank you so much for that. And I wish you could try the Arduplane Timber, it takes 'rock solid' to a new level. Upgrading the guts of a good plane can be very rewarding - I hope there's some consolation in that.
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
@@FatGuyFliesRC Weird. But valuable info to a lot of us. Thanks!
i may have missed it, did you do a throttle calibration? the servos maybe defective but can be replaced so easy.
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
I hope that they will make a good move!
There are not many people in real world, who are telling and showing the truth.
Much respect for you, to show the maiden without the usually "Best plane ever", "flys on tracks", "beginner friendly", "high quality" and so on...
Best wishes and all Time a 👍 for you!!!
Thanks so much!! SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
@@FatGuyFliesRC 1 solved, but still crazy servos. I had this quivering servo problem with my Timber X too. Finally I chanced both aleron sides.
i started the hobby during the pandemic, i bought the Eflite Apprentice STS with all the bell n whistles, even with landing assist. the maiden went perfect until the landing part, the landing assist turned out to be crash prone tech. i complaint to HH but they told there was nothing they can do for me so i told them i will take my business to HobbyZone, Motion RC, or Banana Hobby from then on
Good for you.
Hobby Zone - Arrows planes are HH.
The video is great evidence of the issues with this plane.
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Hope you get it sorted nothing more frustrating than a set of issues what you can't understand, sounds like you have a plan
Diff thrust is trimble in ur tx (or is on my 10se & 20se). When flying strait, level, no gyro go from half to full throttle. IF it pulls 1 way, ck diff thrust trim, rudder trim/subtrim. IF both need any trim, theres the pull issues. Stock configuration rudder & diff thrust are as 1.
Servo flutter has become a thing lately with HH. Ive had the same issues b4.
Remember all the problems I had with my commander? SAME thing here. Glad I always get the pnp. Not a fan of any gyro/safe rx's of any kind.
GO ONTO THEIR REVIEW page of THIS model! 'Ask a question' & say the same thing as u emailed them. IF still no satisfaction, accept their offer, get anything u can, THEN leave a 1 star review! Always remember, good news travels fast, but bad news (& reviews) travels fastest!
Lastly, swap over to a non gyro rx like an ar620, & see if all ur problems disappear. I've seen new planes rx's HAVE similar problems. But to get all the features, u need an ar8020t. 8ch.
I just wish I could go back in time and never buy this POS.
@Fat Guy Flies RC
Reminds me of the commander. Try a different rx. U may be pleasantly surprised. LOT of 630, 631 recievers lately have had issues. 637 are the only ones truly trustworthy if 1 needs safe.
I've always thought of e-flite as junk. Buying one of their planes proved my point as I had to fix the aileron hinges right out of the box.
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
HH customer service was second to none I'll think long and hard before I buy anything else they are affiliated with.
Well after all this it was an uncalibrated ESC. Took care of it but they still sent me out 2 new servos, a wing and decals.
did you try the basic put your throttle at full power plug in the battery and when you here the 2 beeps lower the throttle to calibrate the esc's also make sure your throttle trim is all the way down
I agree with calibrating the ESC. For some odd reason, Eflite manuals never mention doing this. It probably leads people to think that their ESC is factory set or adjusted somehow in the receiver. Thing is, anyone who buys a PNP plane does this routinely.
You would think so but the left motor pulling only happens from the 25% throttle to the 80% throttle. Taxing around slowly no real issue FULL speed? straight as an arrow. Anything in between and you must hold at least half left rudder all the time to fly straight! If the esc s were out of calibrating it would be noticeable from taxing throttle to 100% and not level at at 80%.
@@shortbiggie Agree - First thing I do with a new plane whether its a single or double is calibrate the ESC's. Might have to search the brand and program instructions but needs to be done if reliable throttle response is expected. Otherwise full range of throttle doesnt exist nor does correct spin up or thrust input exists.
My twin timber flew fine, it was a real pain setting up the reverse braking but it finally took after 4 attempts. But one thing is for sure, HH customer support is the WORST. Only after i complained to the State Attorney Generals office did I get a phone call. After they updated my software at the repair center, the transmitter came back with alarms ringing for low voltage. Two weeks have gone by and no calls or emails. I WILL NEVER BUY FROM HH AGAIN.
I have had great experiences with them and horrible ones. And to be honest If I could go back in time I would have never wasted $379 on the Twimber. it flies great now but just really looks stupid! And compared to the trouble it has caused me I and really thinking of just selling it to cut my loss!
That looks to be the same wing as the Timber X, The leading edge flaps make it fly like a brick, so after 50 or so flights I removed them, now it flies like a slightly better behaved brick.
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
UPDATE*********** SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
You might want to pin your comment to the top, if possible. Or, put it in the video description. I can't find the receiver firmware on the Spektrum shared drive. I was going to look at the settings. Is your camera mounted on a helmet of some kind? You seem to be able to put it on quickly and it's aimed correctly.
So are you able to shut off the Differential thrust ?
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
I dont really understand your disappointment in this plane. I unboxed and built mine by the book also and have not experienced what you show in this video. I maidened mine literally 2 hours ago and it performed fantastic. side note, ive only been flying 2 years and what i do know has come 100% thru painful trial and error.
back on topic...i wonder if you trimmed your throttle as it says in the book? trim up until motors start then trim down until they stop. then your differential thrust works as its supposed to ....left rudder = right motor, right rudder = left motor. 2 minutes into my maiden i was snap rolling, flying inverted, stall turning etc. it was also raining and a fair amount of wind. i had a crowd gather to watch, my plane was flawless! I think Horizon knocked this one out of the park and into the next field!
Actuall after all the heart ache it intially caused I am now quite happy, The ESC were out of calibration which is very NON Eflite and the flutter is also very NON Eflite. but both problems have now been fixed and I am quite happy... watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/z6Azsdhm0W8/v-deo.html
I got my twin 8 days ago and I've been fitting it with led's for night flying. I'll maiden it next week (daytime). I assume you got the bnf version with the ar637t receiver? I'll bet the differential thrust is hard coded into that receiver. Only solution to get rid of the DT is to flash the receiver to open stock and program it from scratch.
I did just that, done it many times, this is hard codded to the SMART ESCs no way to flash them that I know. Here is the actual problem: The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I feel the same way in frustration when something doesn’t work right and I am sometimes too quick to criticize. I would reevaluate all the connections and hook up to the transmitter, and double check that everything is right on. At that time you can make a final decision as sometimes we set something up that’s not ideal. Well, we think it’s ideal, because Verizon’s customer service usually is pretty good with helping you. Bob
Yeah after I blasted them in emails and now this I kinda feel bad. Should always sleep on an issue before you act...!
Mine arrived broken, with dents in the left wing, aileron servo horn broken, and all control surfaces broken. They were hanging by the glued hinge. Also port#5 was broken on the receiver. Been going back and forth with them since the plane arrived and they just don’t want to do anything about it. First they offered a new wing and receiver. I said yeah ok since the thing is backorder. But then someone else messages me and says “no you have to return the whole plane for a refund or replacement”. I decided to just get a different plane and take the refund but now they’re not sending me the shipping label so I can return the plane. They’re ridiculous!
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
And at least you after all get to send your back. HH told made it clear to me NO REFUND NO RETURN! But they would send me a few servos for my trouble!
Oh dear sorry to hear about your bad experience, HH's response was very poor. How can you find faults without assembling it? Will you be replacing the servos? Or are you going to abandon it?
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Your experience and others has confirmed my decision not to enable differential thrust or reversing on my Partenavia P68.
Plane seems like its to be trimmed mechanically, its flys janky, this is really good plan
Well mine is a pile of crap! I will rework her and give another chance.
I this case try fly it in safe and watch for oscillations
Yeah I'd be highly pissed, don't blame ya one bit!!!! The AeroScout servos are junk also which I know hobby zone makes that plane but I bought it through HH. I had to replace all 4 servos with in the first couple months, the gears break very easy!!! The first one that broke I bought the replacement that was recommended which was pretty much the same servo and it pretty much broke immediately lol so I bought some cheap replacements and I put those same replacements in my homemade foam board planes also and I have literally beat the crap out of them doing some bush flying - trying to fly down tight trails etc and I've yet to break a single servo, I think they were like 7 bucks a piece.
Thanks for the warning, I want be buying anything from HH or HZ until they change to better servos lol Hope they do the right thing and give you a refund!!!!! ✌🏻
Thanks for letting me vent. and watching; SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
@@FatGuyFliesRC That's good you got it figured out but you shouldn't have to go through the trouble of figuring it out.
I hope you get it sorted. They really should replace this plane without question but it appears to be "screw you" since you're not one of the big RC channels. That tells a lot of Horizon Hobby. I've also encountered poor quality on E-Flite planes lately. Thanks for sharing your experience and great video as always!
Here is my copy paste of the issue: The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
@@FatGuyFliesRC How about the fluttering servos?
Just curious to know if you calibrated the esc's?
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Why would you want differential thrust?
I dont and have learned after this debacle how to disable it.l
Interesting that you are bothered by the flutter. These are the same servos that have been in the Timber X and Nite Timber X. They've always fluttered. Those servos are one of the 1st things I noticed in the announcement cause I always check the parts list. They've now put the same servos in the Twin Timber and the Ultra Stick 1.1m without fixing the slop.
The fluttering in my flap and aileron servos on my Timber X didn't stop till I swapped the stock analog servos on my ailerons to digital servos. Used AGFRC B11DLS servos. Was going to change out the flap servos too, but the fluttering ceased with the aileron swap.
I won't buy any more HH planes with the SPMSA332(R) servos. They're absolutely flawed! I hope you're successful getting your refund.
This is the first time I have ever had issue with fluttering servos. here is the rest: SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Maybe try it with 2 blade prop. Maybe one of the ones that came on it is slightly off on pitch ?
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
@@FatGuyFliesRC I hope you keep us all updated on your discoveries. I want one. But I’m a bit off set by the speed. I’d like to think, double the motors and double the fun and speed. It still flys only as fast as a regular timber. Maybe I’ll hold out for the timber I want to see. I wanna see a timber the size of the Cessna 150 with single or 2 motor option. On 8 or 12s
Is this from Nampa Idaho? The sound of a shot gun going off is used around Nampa Idaho to keep the birds away from the orchards around the area....just wondering.
No it is Avon Park Florida and these is a VERY active outdoor gun range next door.
@@FatGuyFliesRC I will be moving close to Nampa Idaho as soon as my house sells....They have a really nice RC club there....nice grass and black top runways......I use to fly RC back in the mid to late 80's.....built the planes myself.....I loved to build the planes. Very sad that all the planes today are ARF's or RTF's. Wish they would come back.
@@jeffshepard4976 Well it truly is an art form.
Also besides your motors being programmed and hooked back up wrong.....you don't have to cut up your wing the servos are easy to change but I change them the spektrun and e flught a 332 servos are crap....I had issues on timber x and stopped buying e flught planes....I also had a crap servo on the eratix so I ripped out all servos and put aftermarket in
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
Anyone recommend a transmitter that will run all the features in this plane? Im stuck on a dx6 or nx8.. i kno the twin comes with a 6ch rx.. so to run every feature what would i need a 6ch or a 8ch?.. im tryin to not buy more then i need.. i dont have any other planes that have 6 ch or higher. So thats why im asking
Use the nx8. Always get the biggest radio you can afford.
👽 THX.
NP
You are right E-Flight is in too big of a hurry to make more money. This makes you wonder how many airplanes we buy that we are the Bata testers. I had a E-Flight PT-17 biplane, the yellow one that was very pretty but it was the biggest piece of crap I ever had. I gave up on it and put it in the rubbish. It was pure junk. I could not send it back because I added weight to the dummy motor to get it to balance. plus I replaced a brand new servo that was stripped. This was not the only airplane from E-Flight that I had problems with. But some are good and some are bad. The quality changes with their vendors.
yes whatever vendor they used for the twin otter was the first time I noticed a change and drop in quality.
As far as this plane here is the latest: SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Exactly, we are the beta testers!!! I've flown blade helicopters/ also under the horizon banner and the micro MCPX was almost all bad with V1 and horizon would do nothing to help people out and blaming them for their issues😒 they have come out with many versions of it now and and slowly getting the bugs worked out from getting feed back from the junk they send out
This plane come with receiver? Perhaps ur gyro sense way to high? Just a thought
Partley. here is an update: SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
You want the motors to rotate towards each other not both rotate ccw....you can tell you have both motors spinning the same directions that causes yaw at power
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
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I do not know sorry.
Whine MOAR Princess. Good luck with that...
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
I did not buy this plane but I have flown it a couple times. I am not a fan of this particular aircraft. I prefer my timber Evo much more. Only thing I really like is the new landing gear set up. I want it on my Evo.
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
I'm also not a big fan of this Twinber...just seems top heavy to me. However, I absolutely love my Evo TT. On this plane I removed the retainers inside the landing gear springs and now have zero complaints with the gear. This modification allows the whole spring to be active and stops the last 1/2 coil from getting bent on a hard landing.
That gun range is so off putting the rifles fired and the plane twitched I thought it had been shot 😊
LOL that would also be a good explanation...lol
I’m sure if you contact horizon they will help you
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
Let us know how you made out!
Going to test the FIX tomorrow Sunday. SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Send it back!
without their return approval they refuse shipment and it would run about $88 to send it back, then the plane returns to me and I am out $88 . They made it clear to me that I was not eligible for a return or a refund since I had already opened it and glues on the slats. They did offer to replace a few servos.
Here is the latest info. SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
A lot of servo and electronic failures from brand new e-flite aircraft from horizon hobby. I have an e flite 80mm edf f-16. in about 2 years i have replaced 5 servos. No aircraft damage from the bad servos. The servos are garbage. For what these planes cost there should be no failures like this for at least several hundred flights. I have freewing aircraft from motion rc that are over 5 years old and hundreds of flights on them with no electronic failures.
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
Man fgfrc that blows buddy. It's a shame we have to spend our hard earned money on products that are defective. Eflite can do way better than they have been that's for sure
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you.
And for that money it probably didn’t even come with floats unlike the timber evo…..???
Here is australia they are 799
Nopo no floats.
looks like you got a lemon
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
I have had nothing but one giant head ache when dealing with horizon, blade 230s with a bad receiver new out of the box and it was a battle to get a new one sent to me and have had issues with a lot of their RC cars new. To be honest I've had better luck with the Chinese knock off companys they fix things asap with hardly any bull$hit and that was a huge surprise. Im not going to give HH any more of my money.
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
Horizon hobby never changes 🤦♂️
SORRY ABOUT THIS COPY AND PASTE RESPONSE BUT IT EXPLAINS IT ALL! The problem , after all is said in done is in the left ESC when differential thrust is enabled. it is set to throttle up independently when throttle is applied but only after 25% and then runs normal from 80% to 100% throttle . Full speed straight as an arrow, taxing np. normal flying well I have to hold at least half left rudder all the time! That's why she appeared to be flying crazy!
I think I have it solved now. I learned how to disable the DT in the smart ESCs
Well I am not giving up on this plane and still have some hope that HH will do something!!! Thanks you
Shame on you HH where is the R and D
After all my fussing they sent me a new wing, servos and a decal sheet.
My timber evolution motor got so hot it melted the plastic motor mount, contacted horizon hobby and wanted to return it being it was a month old. They sent me a new motor and front cowl 😂, I msged them bacm and said wtf am I suppose to do with the cowl? They said well the fuelslage is on backorder so we can't send you one right now!!! So basically I cant fly my plane unless I wanna buy mount and do it myself, such assholes
BTW I did all the cooling and airflow mods but my motor was just bad
Sorry about your experience. When you do get her straightened out it is an awesome plane!
Goodbye eflite!!!
For the most part
You can take Horizon Hobby to small claims court, I did, and I won.
All is good now I figured out the issue and they are sending me a wing , servos, and a decal set.
If you purchased with a credit card keep all your correspondence, receipts noting who you speak with and the dates of everything. Credit cards protect you from defective products. Call you credit card company and tell them your story and tell them that you are an expert regarding flying and testing airplanes. Tell them how many RC airplanes you have taking note of how few have gone back. Tell them you want to do a charge back, and that they have refused to take corrective action to resolve issues with this airplane. Be truthful in everything you tell them and be accurate. They will refund your money while the the dispute proceeds. They will require that the company reply to your issues and if they do not you will win. They may find for eflite in which case they will charge your card..... not likely. Customers almost always win.
Looks like a resonance issue with the vibration. Reduce any slop, maybe the servo is not mounted firmly. Try changing the place the clevis is attached to the control horn. I don't think as3x is used for the flaps but if it is perhaps dial down the gain some. As for the differential I would expect that it should be off except for when you want to do crazy ass maneuvers. It ought to be on a switch to turn it off and on. Good luck. One other thing did you put any rudder trim in the your radio. If so that could be affecting the motor differential. Make correction for the rudder mechanically not electronically. Just some suggestions.
They offered to give me 2 new servos for the ones that flutter. Have all the emails back and forth. The Credit Card used it from them so wont get a fair shake there. Just going to try to appeal their decision to screw me. Then rework the plane.
@@FatGuyFliesRC I think you will find that have no control of customer service for those cards. If it is Visa, Mastercard, Discover, they are the customer service not Horizon. You will not be talking to horizon people. They do not have you over a barrel.
Horizon support is AWFUL. The very act of assembling a model voids the warranty! How are you supposed to know if there's a defect without even being able to put the damn plane together?? I will never ever buy another new product from Horizon after my last experience with their support. Anything I want from E-Flite can be had used at a swap meet for less money, and I'll know the plane wasn't defective.
The shame really is they used to have really good CS but ever since the pandemic it has gone bad.
It seems like your CG was a little far back. That what it looks like to me. 🙂
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
"She CG's just perfect" how do you judge perfect with no measurements and no flight testing?
Needs up elevator trim because you're nose heavy.
Here: ua-cam.com/video/4b7izJqWpQI/v-deo.html
I said it once and I'll say it again their crap and overpriced haven't bought a plane for them in the last two years they lost me as a customer I can only wish you have good luck👍🤠
After all my complaining they are sending me out a decal set a whole ne wing set and servos!!!!
You are not a FAT guy...
Hey I earned my gut. Lol
For now. Just say no to horizon hobby. They can keep there over priced garbage.
Sorry for copy and past response but I have multiple people to respond too.. lol ..All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)
I have had probably 20 Eflite servos end up with flutter. Most right out of the box. Horizonhobby's is amazing. Every one they replaced for free.
Honestly, i have never had 1 bad experience with them. Heard stories but personally never had one. Contact them and let them know your issue.
All is good now with the rest of the plane (left esc was out of calibration) and I have a fix in place for the servos, (gonna put my tried and true foam hinge treatment on the hinges, should kill the flutter)