Fun fact: very similar technique of nocking is described in a text commonly known as Saracen archery. It is archery textbook from 14th century written in Arabic (later translated to modern English), but talking about Turkish style archery. The difference is that they shot with arrow on the right side of the bow, so during the last phase of nocking the string sliped under the thumb and not under the other fingers. Your technique is different variant of the same mechanism, adjusted to shooting from the left side. It probably has the same properties. I shoot from the right side of the bow, so I use the "Saracen archery" variant, and I find it very reliable while also quite fast. Reliability is the key ... I tried Lars Andersen's style, but it fails too often in my hands. That usual nocking style you show at the begining is super unreliable ... you never know if you will finish nocking now or ten seconds later. I would very, VERY much like to know shooting style of ancient Greek during Troy siege. According to Ílias they had short and weaker bows similar to your one, and they shot from quite a short distance, often almost face-to-face with enemy. It must have looked similar to what you do, but there is NO clear evidence for it ... what a pity :-/
Amazing detail you are describing there! About ancient Greek archery, I seriously think that the Native American archery style is identical to the long lost Greek one. The only difference would be this classing "Mediterranean" draw with the fingers.
@@PanSaltzCaballeratos As far as I know, that classic mediterranean draw (one finger above, two fingers below) was used by Cretans, who became famous several centuries AFTER the siege of Troy, and their shooting style (as well as their equipment) is generally deemed to be different from what was used before. So earlier Greek could use almost any possible technique; we only know that it later developed in what we now know as mediterranean draw. It certainly could be similar to Native American style, but who knows? I spent too much time with historians: I like speculating, but I am always looking for evidence :-) Anyways, nice job and good luck for more shooting.
Surprised I missed this video. And yes this video has helped! I can't wait till I find time to post videos of my time with this unique style of archery. And I know it's native american but drastically different from modern American archery today. It's still very fascinating, like a martial art. People have argued why go this way. My reply is why ride a bike when there's Uber. There's an art that's only appreciated when you're in it. It fits a specific role but isn't the definitive. Keep posting vampire!
Oh this is one of my old videos. I should renew it too 😃 . Haha darn right! Let's keep going forward! Hey, once you upload something, comment the link on my recent videos. It will be easier for me not to miss it and hopefully more people will see it.
Pretty interesting. I’ve always shot Mediterranean style with the bow at a 45 degree angle for a better sight picture. When I used to build short sinew-backed bows, I used an instinctive “floating-anchor” style shooting technique. Now I shoot longbows. -Aaron
Brutal I found you again I hope all is well. Thanks for the techniques I will definitely practice this but first I need to make a short bow. I currently practice with a 50ibs compound bow but would rather use a traditional bow so I can be amberdexterios. The next issue is finding the time to get out of the forge and away from the homestead work to do said bow. Anyhow godbless and good health from arkansas.
@rooroo9216, thanks too kind. You could too it's just a lot of hard work and determination. godbless I pray you aswell some day have both just be strong and positive.
God bless you too brother! I'm glad to see you here. Finding time to do what you enjoy often ends up being the hardest achievement. I'll enjoy reading your news on the archery topic.
This is the same technique I use, the only thing is if I use a back quiver (I do a lot) and I’m shooting off the other side I’ll swing the arrow from underneath and catch it with the index finger of the bow hand. Even with Mediterranean draw, if I grab the arrow further up the shaft by accident, I just use the same thing, drop it onto the bow, slide/twist forward, slide backward (forward- to move the nock next to the string, twist- do this at the same time to align the “odd” feather right, backward- let go with the bow hand finger and the shooting hand slides back and nocks the arrow). That’s the same with both thumb and finger styles, shooting off the left and right pretty much.
This is what I've always been dooing. I've seen old boomers on the range who almost stabbed me with An Arrow becouse they Nock the Arrow by the shaft. Put the bow in their belly and stick the Arrow far off to the right. On my channel I've got a few video's of me shooting like you showed in this video. Please let me know what you think of it. I'm shooting 3 under with #40 horsebow amd #55 (#57 at my draw)
The other style of loading (particularly with the longbow and if I’m in a competition indoors where it’s tightly packed) is I’ll take the arrow out the quiver, turn the bow towards me slightly and pass the arrow through between the string and the bow. Being careful not to prod the limb with the arrow tip because it can scratch the bow. Speaking of bows, I like yours btw! Did you make it? What’s the draw length, poundage etc?
Depends on what you're hunting. A longbow will pierce a buck deep enough to kill it from a distance, but two shots from close range will net you two rabbits. Conversely, hunting rabbits close range with a longbow is overkill, and you'll just send the arrow right through it. With a short bow you might get 2 or 3 arrows into a buck, but unless you're close each arrow wont guarentee the power to pierce deep enough to kill, so you'll actually need more than one.
I use to think this way. Whenever I'm at the range, nothing is more important than the first shot, period. In hunting follow up shots are rare. In hunting, gun, rifle, bow gun, crossbow, you get one shot or starve. But we are in the future, we got farming and Uber eats, hand gun or 22 lr rifle beats most bows with a smaller learning curve. Speed shooting with these primitive self bows and short arrows serve a purpose: defense, war and small to medium game with limited resources. You got money, get an automatic and spray and prey. But if you're stuck in woods with just a knife, a self bow are shorts arrows are your best friend. Straightening arrows is frustrating, but not so much with shorter than average arrows. And for the bow, who wouldn't want a carbon fiber bow you can leave strung for years and still shoot with. But under less than ideal conditions, I think this style is the true gangster in the woods.
Fun fact: very similar technique of nocking is described in a text commonly known as Saracen archery. It is archery textbook from 14th century written in Arabic (later translated to modern English), but talking about Turkish style archery. The difference is that they shot with arrow on the right side of the bow, so during the last phase of nocking the string sliped under the thumb and not under the other fingers. Your technique is different variant of the same mechanism, adjusted to shooting from the left side. It probably has the same properties.
I shoot from the right side of the bow, so I use the "Saracen archery" variant, and I find it very reliable while also quite fast. Reliability is the key ... I tried Lars Andersen's style, but it fails too often in my hands. That usual nocking style you show at the begining is super unreliable ... you never know if you will finish nocking now or ten seconds later.
I would very, VERY much like to know shooting style of ancient Greek during Troy siege. According to Ílias they had short and weaker bows similar to your one, and they shot from quite a short distance, often almost face-to-face with enemy. It must have looked similar to what you do, but there is NO clear evidence for it ... what a pity :-/
Amazing detail you are describing there! About ancient Greek archery, I seriously think that the Native American archery style is identical to the long lost Greek one. The only difference would be this classing "Mediterranean" draw with the fingers.
@@PanSaltzCaballeratos As far as I know, that classic mediterranean draw (one finger above, two fingers below) was used by Cretans, who became famous several centuries AFTER the siege of Troy, and their shooting style (as well as their equipment) is generally deemed to be different from what was used before. So earlier Greek could use almost any possible technique; we only know that it later developed in what we now know as mediterranean draw. It certainly could be similar to Native American style, but who knows? I spent too much time with historians: I like speculating, but I am always looking for evidence :-) Anyways, nice job and good luck for more shooting.
Truly remarkable.
Thank you!
Surprised I missed this video. And yes this video has helped! I can't wait till I find time to post videos of my time with this unique style of archery. And I know it's native american but drastically different from modern American archery today. It's still very fascinating, like a martial art. People have argued why go this way. My reply is why ride a bike when there's Uber. There's an art that's only appreciated when you're in it. It fits a specific role but isn't the definitive. Keep posting vampire!
Oh this is one of my old videos. I should renew it too 😃 . Haha darn right! Let's keep going forward! Hey, once you upload something, comment the link on my recent videos. It will be easier for me not to miss it and hopefully more people will see it.
Great video, I'm building knocklesss arrows for the first time. Proud to be People of the River Tribe 🌲🌲🌲
Pretty interesting. I’ve always shot Mediterranean style with the bow at a 45 degree angle for a better sight picture. When I used to build short sinew-backed bows, I used an instinctive “floating-anchor” style shooting technique. Now I shoot longbows.
-Aaron
Just discovered your videos, subscribed and shared with my son. Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge in great detail!
Thank you so much! I hope that both of you will enjoy! I'll keep sharing everything I know.
Very good 👍
Thanks for Sharing🙏
Thank you!
I like your vids , i say you are a master at the traditional craft of the bow and arrow .the speed and accuracy, WOW. Chief.
Thank you so much for your kind words!
Brutal I found you again I hope all is well. Thanks for the techniques I will definitely practice this but first I need to make a short bow. I currently practice with a 50ibs compound bow but would rather use a traditional bow so I can be amberdexterios. The next issue is finding the time to get out of the forge and away from the homestead work to do said bow. Anyhow godbless and good health from arkansas.
Jammy, a homestead and a forge! I envy you lol
@rooroo9216, thanks too kind. You could too it's just a lot of hard work and determination. godbless I pray you aswell some day have both just be strong and positive.
@@mountainwolf1 thanks! Take care and best of luck building the new bow 🏹
God bless you too brother! I'm glad to see you here. Finding time to do what you enjoy often ends up being the hardest achievement. I'll enjoy reading your news on the archery topic.
This is the same technique I use, the only thing is if I use a back quiver (I do a lot) and I’m shooting off the other side I’ll swing the arrow from underneath and catch it with the index finger of the bow hand. Even with Mediterranean draw, if I grab the arrow further up the shaft by accident, I just use the same thing, drop it onto the bow, slide/twist forward, slide backward (forward- to move the nock next to the string, twist- do this at the same time to align the “odd” feather right, backward- let go with the bow hand finger and the shooting hand slides back and nocks the arrow). That’s the same with both thumb and finger styles, shooting off the left and right pretty much.
Ain't it a wonderful technique? It gives speed when reloading AND consistent stability.
This is what I've always been dooing. I've seen old boomers on the range who almost stabbed me with An Arrow becouse they Nock the Arrow by the shaft. Put the bow in their belly and stick the Arrow far off to the right. On my channel I've got a few video's of me shooting like you showed in this video. Please let me know what you think of it. I'm shooting 3 under with #40 horsebow amd #55 (#57 at my draw)
The other style of loading (particularly with the longbow and if I’m in a competition indoors where it’s tightly packed) is I’ll take the arrow out the quiver, turn the bow towards me slightly and pass the arrow through between the string and the bow. Being careful not to prod the limb with the arrow tip because it can scratch the bow.
Speaking of bows, I like yours btw! Did you make it? What’s the draw length, poundage etc?
Thank you! Yes I make every bow, arrow and quiver seen in my videos. I make 30lbs light bows. Mainly designed for speed shooting.
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I prefer accuracy over shooting faster. One shot one kill logic.
This is why police has switched to 9mm follow up shot is important I prefer speed
Depends on what you're hunting. A longbow will pierce a buck deep enough to kill it from a distance, but two shots from close range will net you two rabbits.
Conversely, hunting rabbits close range with a longbow is overkill, and you'll just send the arrow right through it. With a short bow you might get 2 or 3 arrows into a buck, but unless you're close each arrow wont guarentee the power to pierce deep enough to kill, so you'll actually need more than one.
I use to think this way. Whenever I'm at the range, nothing is more important than the first shot, period. In hunting follow up shots are rare. In hunting, gun, rifle, bow gun, crossbow, you get one shot or starve. But we are in the future, we got farming and Uber eats, hand gun or 22 lr rifle beats most bows with a smaller learning curve. Speed shooting with these primitive self bows and short arrows serve a purpose: defense, war and small to medium game with limited resources. You got money, get an automatic and spray and prey. But if you're stuck in woods with just a knife, a self bow are shorts arrows are your best friend. Straightening arrows is frustrating, but not so much with shorter than average arrows. And for the bow, who wouldn't want a carbon fiber bow you can leave strung for years and still shoot with. But under less than ideal conditions, I think this style is the true gangster in the woods.