Never fails to satisfy a good art of building a securement piece like your six tabbed fold over lock. All while you were working on it I felt totally relaxed perhaps because I've had to make some of my own it really is an often forgotten art.
Toby, I never cease to be amazed at your skill in mastering a complex subject and then setting it out for your viewers. You have a rare talent, and IMHO you would make a fantastic teacher.
Toby in the last video during the disassembly I thought how are you going to make a new fold over lock, now i know. The way your mind works never ceases to amaze me solving problems as the arise. A lot of people would wonder why you would spend so much time and money to rebuild something like that to like new. I think that like me 99% of your viewers would understand the feeling of accomplishment saving the old equipment. Keep up the good work and content.
I like the way you think about fold over locks. I also found it quite funny that making a much better fold over lock was actually a labor saving motive.
P.S. I'm hoping to see how the starter looks when you tear it down. I'm a little worried about the field windings and the armature being shorted out. It being one of a kind would mean having to rewind them if the insulation has deteriorated.
The details in getting this one-of-one repaired, let alone restored is a steep climb! And frankly I trust your mistakes more than many folks successes! Great work as always!
It's so cool how you are doing your best to save X231 in its original configuration/build. That fold over lock took so much patience and turned out spectacular! It reminded me of all the work I put into installing a spare tire well in the fender of a car that didn't have one. Lots of time and patience it took me, making all the cuts to fold over sheet metal tabs on the fender to fit the tire well.
As meticulous as you are, I can't believe this project hasn't driven you insane. I enjoy watching it immensely, but I really do feel your frustration and am amazed at your patience.
I am 70 years old, been wrenching since the mid 60s professionally at 3 Ford dealerships many of those years, and I am still learning, and enjoy watching you, seeing your ultra professional manner and results never stop impressing me, Great work my youtube friend,
I have been watching your channel for years i remember when you took it all apart I know I cant be the only one that cant wait to hear it fire up and move for the first time
Getting an explanation for why you do things in ways that confuses a lot of people initially is educational as heck. It's always useful to see things from other viewpoints.
Thanks for the video Toby! Another step forward and backward as always with Christine. Everything will work out just more work to do as always Can’t wait to see what comes next!
Haha! I was thinking "I wonder what the weight difference is between those castings?" and 2 seconds later Squatch says, "Let's do a weight comparison..."
I love this series so much. Seriously…#X231 is why I even found your channel, and I’m so happy to see good ol’ Christine getting lots of attention. Cheers from Kansas!
How you proceed also depends on the tools you have. I don’t have enough tools to even get started with a project like this, which is why I love to watch you guys.🙂
I chuckled out loud when you started making that fold over lock ! Before that I noticed the old one and thought to myself I can't believe he is going to reuse that lock. I really appreciate your meticulous work and great explanations. Keep up the great work.
You must not be familiar with Toby's stand on reusing fold over locks. The moment I saw that fold over lock I knew he was going to be making a new one. He surprised me when he decided to make a better replacement because it would save labor.
As you've been going through the X machine - it is amazing the design and skilled workmanship that goes into a prototype machine. Did they only make one X, test it, rip it apart an then make production? Seems a huge step with all the hundreds of parts that need evaluating. Your rebuild really indicates the depth of machining and best guess engineeering that is required to make a new model. Wow!
We don't know exactly how many prototypes of each model were made, but it's almost a guarantee that there was more than just one. I've pointed out a few times how you can see the nose of another X231 "clone" tractor sticking into the background in one of the archive photos I have hanging on the wall in the shop here.
Love the X231 series. Anyone can bring an old production tractor/dozer back to life, but bringing a one off prototype back to life is a whole different ball game.
What drew me to follow this restoration is that it IS a one of a kind tractor. It is unique and there are no repair manuals for it. This means that Toby has to think outside of the box on a lot of the issues this poor Minnie has. That is my kind of entertainment.
Let's all of us X231 fans watch it from the beginning. I wonder how much that would drive the numbers up and encourage Toby to give us more videos of my favorite UA-cam tractor.
Snowball?? More like an Avalanche!! I saw an episode yesterday where a farmer reused a fold over lock when replacing his hydraulic pump. I was thinking "Squatch would not approve" LOL 😄
You are right about different people having different results on the same thing - two cakes will taste different from 2 different cooks using the same ingredients and recipe.
Your last video disassembling X231's bolster made me think that we hadn't seen any fold-over lock action in a while. A guy sure knows how to deliver 😂 In all seriousness, that lock is incredible work.
Excellent video the fold over lock looks really nice. It is amazing how much wear x231 has in its drivetrain the farm it came from used it for a lot of hours and abused it. I am guessing back in the day if you called the local Minneapolis Moline dealer and gave them x231 as your tractors serial number the other end of the phone would have went silent. The starter ring gear is best left alone just how it is now . Keep up the excellent videos
Thanks for answering my question about the merits of the six spline and nut versus the one key and snap ring approach. You're absolutely right - the production design is definitely a better one with regard to keeping slack out of the system.
Wow! I can see why you don't want to make any modifications to any part. Or to try to make, as you called them, hybrid parts. Because it can snowball into some major problems. Am enjoying the process so far. I will continue to watch as you work through each and every every problem. Thanks for sharing your thought process with this build.
Thanks for another great update. That whole list of stuff that could go wrong with that starter rings not a snowball effect it's a whole brown smelly avalanche of potential problems, dealing with hard to find parts let alone prototype stuff. As for ideas there's always more than 1 way you do it the right way for you, I had this discussion when a friend was in my shop this week. He was telling me how i should custom build an oil pan for my project. According to him everything was wrong, but he couldn't argue when I pointed out it's working out so far this way. Take care
Loving the explanation of how much would have to change if the ring gear was changed. A lifetime of working on mass produced machines you just change a part. This machine is such a 3D puzzle if one part is changed or damaged.
i could just imagine the quality and the attention to detail of the prototype units if you were part of the process back in the day when they were born.
You know what the amazing thing is?? You mentioned using a speedy sleeve. I have found in recent times if you walk into the average auto parts store today and ask for a speedy sleeve that fits the hub spindle on your rear axle, you will get a blank stare! They don't even know what that is anymore and the auto parts data base doesn't even have that info in there!! You have to go to specialty bearing and seal distributors now and make sure to give the dimensions of your seal surface! Since these auto parts distributors tout having parts for vintage cars, a speedy sleeve should be a rather common thing as seal surfaces wear grooves over that many years. And make sure you have about $75 handy to pay for that little piece of metal. I remember when they were about $5.
Yes I’ve got two local auto parts stores here, one will dig into the old paper books and manuals if necessary and work to find anything you could possibly ask for. The other parts store won’t even try unless it’s something that has a Chevy 350 under the hood lol
@@squatch253 so true. I will admit there was a guy that recently retired as an associate at one of the big auto parts chain stores and he knew all the ins and outs of everything and all the old school stuff. I could tell him anything I needed and he knew how to find it. Those kind are becoming rare.
The Gulf between restore and replace- like an ocean when it's a one of a kind item or vehicle like X231. You can run into the same issues working on older cars, where subtle differences in model years can reach up and bite you if you try a replacement that may only be slightly different, but it's enough different to create a cascade set of related problems. Yes, that can be stress inducing, but with experience and knowledge and good planning ( exampled by squatch here) you can avoid making mistakes, and save both money and trouble.
12:59 one method i'd cook up to remove the gear without breakage would be to machine a few feet to hold said ring down to a plate. Through said plate (from the other side) i'd put threads, and between the plate and the flywheel, a flat piece of steel (that fits). Then i'd heat the ring gear with three people with three torches and slowly crank up a bolt that would push on the plate and thus on the flywheel body. Maybe i'd use a little bit of dry ice on the flywheel as well to cool it down. Well, like you said, hopefully you don't have to go there. Even tho it's beefier, you never know with these ring gears.
I don't know if you've ever watched any of Allen Millyard's videos - he's a fellow in the UK who does amazing work restoring and custom building motorcycles. Anyway, you reminded me of him when you were making your fold-over lock plate, because he's a virtuoso with a hacksaw and file - he regularly will cut engine cases in half by hand and then weld them back together.
That sounds like a good channel to check out, I’ve got it written down 👍 The one ironic thing about being someone who MAKES UA-cam, is that you find you barely ever get time to actually WATCH any UA-cam lol 😂
Hey up definitely check him out in fact I'm surprised you've not heard before, 3cly made into a 4, 4cly made into a V8, 2 airplane barrel's made into a vee twin. Enjoy mate
A simple but effective cryogenic shrink method for bearing races or other interference fit components is to use liquid propane from your BBQ or shop heater tank. Turn the tank upside down and with a proper fitting and hose carefully run however much you need into a freeze-proof container with your part and go until the liquid stays and the part cools off. Liquid propane at normal air pressure will cool down to around -40. Safety-wise, treat it like an open container of gasoline and play with it outside.
0:49 that weight reduction and knowing how metallurgy used to work, makes me think there must've been in-betweens that we're missing out on. They likely had a thinner casting that told them "yup, this is the lower limit", of course, it's also entirely possible that they mathed it out. Math can tell you a lot about what you're supposed to do. Nowadays, it's fully mathed out inside a computer, they know exactly what they have to do down to atoms... yet somehow still ask pocket rupturing prices.
Love your attention to detail and the pursuit of perfection. Why do we all pay for the whole 12" of hacksaw blades and then use the middle 4" of the blade. Lol.
French red hot! Nice!😂. Also, I wonder if there are any remaining machinists who worked on these prototypes and, if so, has Squatch corresponded with any of them?
I was watching Welker farm and they were using a speedy seal but they used jb weld on the shaft to fill the grove the old seal left behind then they filed the jb weld back to spec.to support the speedy seal
John deer when they make new model products are in a hurry to get market so what you are doing is fixing the thing M and M would have done before making it my friend good Job keep up the good work
Christine is hell bent that she's not going to be pulled into the 21st century! LOL. She's going to show her appreciation soon though I think. I'm expecting that the first start of her engine is going to go nearly flawlessly, that's my prediction. After that, she'll start trusting you, and finally give you some slack. FYI, Laughed my butt off at the fold over lock joke. It is EXACTLY what I would have said LOL.
I just want to see the snap ring pliers for that atomic snap ring and then maybe the guy whose job that was. I bet he he had a heck of a set of forearms lol😂😂😂
G'day Squatch , Another cool vid ,as always . It is a shame to not recycle the 1923 kerosene can spacer , after such a precision result on the previous modification / prototype. Respect....!
I was waiting to hear you say someone about having a new ring gear made. Honestly, I think that would wind up being the easiest of the options if the original broke. Granted, you'd probably double the cost of the restoration. That would depend on how you had a new one made of course.
Given the massive amounts of extreme wear they managed to put on just about every part of that machine they obviously didn't have much trouble getting it started so I'd probably take a "let sleeping dogs lie" approach to the ring gear too.
I believe what u were dancing around saying for the ring gear potential problem is called a cluster fuck lmao! Love Christine please don't give up on her
At 17:00 A great slogan for your 100,000 subscriber start up your channel store t-shirt business. I want to purchase that slogan on your first t-shirt you sell.
That ring gear is the perfect example of if it’s not broken don’t fix it. Unobtanium is a difficult material to work with combine that with x231’s sustain for progress and it’s a recipe for disaster. You have said many times how that watch minutes are lower on these videos but I personally like the Amon’s of work around and reverse engineering it takes to try and put humpty back together again
Old Christine peeks her head up and says "another curveball", BUT - if all it is, is a speedy-sleeve... Well, I think we are going to be ok............. For this step.
OK. I know that you will probably think I'm crazy but this is the fifth time I've watched this video. I have what you may think is a crazy idea. I was thinking that if you deliberately used a thick shim above the top bearing race it would allow you to adjust bearing preload the same way as the production tractors used. Just a crazy thought from an X231 fanatic.
Awesome as usual. Seeing you compare/contrast component weight a few times on this project… makes me wonder if you have any idea of the final gross weight comparison between the fully assembled prototype and the production model?
Your Christine is some what like my 1926 Oldsmobile they just don't make parts any more. So either try to recondition the worn parts or go to the machine shop. I have an awesome machine shop but had to redo second gear because there were 3 second gears. On the second gear was a little taller so they had to trim the long reach gear the thickness of a sheet of paper. Now no more high pitch gear wind.i don't comment much I injoy all your awesome videos. I go thru the same problems that you have with cars they haven't built in 60 years. If I had a place to put the shop that you have I would not need the machine shop. Denis from Santa Rosa CA
Another thing to think about moving the ringgear on the flywheel would be a guess of where will the engine stop at now after being rebuild, will it stop at the old place of rotation or stop at a different place, ??
Squatch, I've turned ring gear over on many flywheels by just using a torch to heat them until they come loose, then removing them. Couldn't you do the same thing except just rotate it a bit for better teeth? I believe it would work out just fine.
Yes, I did that on 5J1113 in its restoration series. In that case though, if something happened to the ring gear (they mainly just like to crack during the removal process) I’d be able to source another one without any trouble. I don’t have that luxury here, so every action has to be weighed for benefits versus risk.
I smirk every time I see one of those little simple looking things you make that I know has taken you an hour or hours and you just gloss over it like it's nothing.
Remember back to this time last year when we were going through the live power clutch that lives in the back end? That’s the piece that exploded, then wedged one of its bits under the big bull gear, stopped the whole machine in its tracks, and blew up the whole rear end.
Never fails to satisfy a good art of building a securement piece like your six tabbed fold over lock. All while you were working on it I felt totally relaxed perhaps because I've had to make some of my own it really is an often forgotten art.
Love the toilet paper- fold over lock analogy. :-)
That’s how I test to see who’s watching all the way to the end lol 👍
But Squatch, it is only brown on one side........
Squatch, I love how detailed you are in articulating the thought process step by step with the snowball effect.
I appreciate the time he takes to make things right. The 6 spline fold over lock is a great example.
Toby, I never cease to be amazed at your skill in mastering a complex subject and then setting it out for your viewers. You have a rare talent, and IMHO you would make a fantastic teacher.
I enjoyed the comparison of the ring gears and the implications of possible alternate fixes.
As soon as I saw the hole saw / sheet steel on the drill press, I immediately knew it was fold over lock time ;)
Thanks for the update Toby. Christine is getting really good at giving you the old one two punch combo. Cheers
Toby in the last video during the disassembly I thought how are you going to make a new fold over lock, now i know. The way your mind works never ceases to amaze me solving problems as the arise. A lot of people would wonder why you would spend so much time and money to rebuild something like that to like new. I think that like me 99% of your viewers would understand the feeling of accomplishment saving the old equipment. Keep up the good work and content.
That fold over lock was a work of art!
I like the way you think about fold over locks. I also found it quite funny that making a much better fold over lock was actually a labor saving motive.
P.S. I'm hoping to see how the starter looks when you tear it down. I'm a little worried about the field windings and the armature being shorted out. It being one of a kind would mean having to rewind them if the insulation has deteriorated.
Love your attention to details !!
The details in getting this one-of-one repaired, let alone restored is a steep climb! And frankly I trust your mistakes more than many folks successes! Great work as always!
It's so cool how you are doing your best to save X231 in its original configuration/build. That fold over lock took so much patience and turned out spectacular! It reminded me of all the work I put into installing a spare tire well in the fender of a car that didn't have one. Lots of time and patience it took me, making all the cuts to fold over sheet metal tabs on the fender to fit the tire well.
@ 17:02 😲 🤣 But seriously, thanks for the videos on X231. Enjoying the journey. Thanks for taking us along.
As meticulous as you are, I can't believe this project hasn't driven you insane. I enjoy watching it immensely, but I really do feel your frustration and am amazed at your patience.
I am 70 years old, been wrenching since the mid 60s professionally at 3 Ford dealerships many of those years, and I am still learning, and enjoy watching you, seeing your ultra professional manner and results never stop impressing me, Great work my youtube friend,
I have been watching your channel for years i remember when you took it all apart I know I cant be the only one that cant wait to hear it fire up and move for the first time
Getting an explanation for why you do things in ways that confuses a lot of people initially is educational as heck. It's always useful to see things from other viewpoints.
The postal scale is Squatch without any more need being said!! Priceless.
Your fold over locks always turn out perfect, toilet paper always ends up crappy!
Thanks for the video Toby! Another step forward and backward as always with Christine. Everything will work out just more work to do as always Can’t wait to see what comes next!
Haha! I was thinking "I wonder what the weight difference is between those castings?" and 2 seconds later Squatch says, "Let's do a weight comparison..."
I love this series so much. Seriously…#X231 is why I even found your channel, and I’m so happy to see good ol’ Christine getting lots of attention. Cheers from Kansas!
How you proceed also depends on the tools you have. I don’t have enough tools to even get started with a project like this, which is why I love to watch you guys.🙂
That speedy sleeve is an item to be expected I think Glad you're coming together With X231 Period 17:19
two steps forward, 1 step back. ohh the joys of restorations especially a prototype
Thats true dedication when you handcraft a new fold over lock!
I chuckled out loud when you started making that fold over lock ! Before that I noticed the old one and thought to myself I can't believe he is going to reuse that lock. I really appreciate your meticulous work and great explanations. Keep up the great work.
You must not be familiar with Toby's stand on reusing fold over locks. The moment I saw that fold over lock I knew he was going to be making a new one. He surprised me when he decided to make a better replacement because it would save labor.
As you've been going through the X machine - it is amazing the design and skilled workmanship that goes into a prototype machine. Did they only make one X, test it, rip it apart an then make production? Seems a huge step with all the hundreds of parts that need evaluating. Your rebuild really indicates the depth of machining and best guess engineeering that is required to make a new model. Wow!
We don't know exactly how many prototypes of each model were made, but it's almost a guarantee that there was more than just one. I've pointed out a few times how you can see the nose of another X231 "clone" tractor sticking into the background in one of the archive photos I have hanging on the wall in the shop here.
Very nice work, Squatch
Thanks. I enjoy following progress on this project- at whatever pace.
Love the X231 series. Anyone can bring an old production tractor/dozer back to life, but bringing a one off prototype back to life is a whole different ball game.
What drew me to follow this restoration is that it IS a one of a kind tractor. It is unique and there are no repair manuals for it. This means that Toby has to think outside of the box on a lot of the issues this poor Minnie has. That is my kind of entertainment.
@@danielbutler578 Agreed 100%
Let's all of us X231 fans watch it from the beginning. I wonder how much that would drive the numbers up and encourage Toby to give us more videos of my favorite UA-cam tractor.
Snowball??
More like an Avalanche!!
I saw an episode yesterday where a farmer reused a fold over lock when replacing his hydraulic pump.
I was thinking "Squatch would not approve"
LOL
😄
LMAO! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that every time he sees it now! LOL
Thanks for correcting me in your reply about which sector had grease in bearings
No speculation from me. I just enjoy your thoroughness.
You are right about different people having different results on the same thing - two cakes will taste different from 2 different cooks using the same ingredients and recipe.
Your last video disassembling X231's bolster made me think that we hadn't seen any fold-over lock action in a while. A guy sure knows how to deliver 😂
In all seriousness, that lock is incredible work.
Excellent video the fold over lock looks really nice. It is amazing how much wear x231 has in its drivetrain the farm it came from used it for a lot of hours and abused it. I am guessing back in the day if you called the local Minneapolis Moline dealer and gave them x231 as your tractors serial number the other end of the phone would have went silent. The starter ring gear is best left alone just how it is now . Keep up the excellent videos
Well I like your path and I was a plant fitter/machanic for 35yrs, so as far as im concerned keep it up.
This is my favorite build of yours. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for answering my question about the merits of the six spline and nut versus the one key and snap ring approach. You're absolutely right - the production design is definitely a better one with regard to keeping slack out of the system.
Wow! I can see why you don't want to make any modifications to any part. Or to try to make, as you called them, hybrid parts. Because it can snowball into some major problems. Am enjoying the process so far. I will continue to watch as you work through each and every every problem. Thanks for sharing your thought process with this build.
Love it that six tab lock is cooler than the original and I got a kick out of the reuse gag about reusing toilet paper spot on bud.
Thanks for another great update. That whole list of stuff that could go wrong with that starter rings not a snowball effect it's a whole brown smelly avalanche of potential problems, dealing with hard to find parts let alone prototype stuff. As for ideas there's always more than 1 way you do it the right way for you, I had this discussion when a friend was in my shop this week. He was telling me how i should custom build an oil pan for my project. According to him everything was wrong, but he couldn't argue when I pointed out it's working out so far this way. Take care
Loving the explanation of how much would have to change if the ring gear was changed. A lifetime of working on mass produced machines you just change a part. This machine is such a 3D puzzle if one part is changed or damaged.
I love seeing how yo go Round a problem to make it work.
i could just imagine the quality and the attention to detail of the prototype units if you were part of the process back in the day when they were born.
You know what the amazing thing is?? You mentioned using a speedy sleeve. I have found in recent times if you walk into the average auto parts store today and ask for a speedy sleeve that fits the hub spindle on your rear axle, you will get a blank stare! They don't even know what that is anymore and the auto parts data base doesn't even have that info in there!! You have to go to specialty bearing and seal distributors now and make sure to give the dimensions of your seal surface! Since these auto parts distributors tout having parts for vintage cars, a speedy sleeve should be a rather common thing as seal surfaces wear grooves over that many years. And make sure you have about $75 handy to pay for that little piece of metal. I remember when they were about $5.
Yes I’ve got two local auto parts stores here, one will dig into the old paper books and manuals if necessary and work to find anything you could possibly ask for. The other parts store won’t even try unless it’s something that has a Chevy 350 under the hood lol
@@squatch253 so true. I will admit there was a guy that recently retired as an associate at one of the big auto parts chain stores and he knew all the ins and outs of everything and all the old school stuff. I could tell him anything I needed and he knew how to find it. Those kind are becoming rare.
“Frank’s Red Hot” cracked me up!
The Gulf between restore and replace- like an ocean when it's a one of a kind item or vehicle like X231. You can run into the same issues working on older cars, where subtle differences in model years can reach up and bite you if you try a replacement that may only be slightly different, but it's enough different to create a cascade set of related problems. Yes, that can be stress inducing, but with experience and knowledge and good planning ( exampled by squatch here) you can avoid making mistakes, and save both money and trouble.
I really enjoy your channel . I also own 2 MM tractors that are both in restoration stages. 1 is a 1949 ZAS. The other is a 1951 U Cheers.
12:59 one method i'd cook up to remove the gear without breakage would be to machine a few feet to hold said ring down to a plate. Through said plate (from the other side) i'd put threads, and between the plate and the flywheel, a flat piece of steel (that fits). Then i'd heat the ring gear with three people with three torches and slowly crank up a bolt that would push on the plate and thus on the flywheel body. Maybe i'd use a little bit of dry ice on the flywheel as well to cool it down. Well, like you said, hopefully you don't have to go there. Even tho it's beefier, you never know with these ring gears.
I don't know if you've ever watched any of Allen Millyard's videos - he's a fellow in the UK who does amazing work restoring and custom building motorcycles. Anyway, you reminded me of him when you were making your fold-over lock plate, because he's a virtuoso with a hacksaw and file - he regularly will cut engine cases in half by hand and then weld them back together.
That sounds like a good channel to check out, I’ve got it written down 👍 The one ironic thing about being someone who MAKES UA-cam, is that you find you barely ever get time to actually WATCH any UA-cam lol 😂
Hey up definitely check him out in fact I'm surprised you've not heard before, 3cly made into a 4, 4cly made into a V8, 2 airplane barrel's made into a vee twin. Enjoy mate
Looking forward to the rebuild on the Delco Remy proto starter.
Dr. Squatch doing foldover-lock surgery. Mhm, nice!
Thank you for your interest in MM tractors.
I was hoping to see how you would make the fold over lock. Old school hand cut! Actually looked easier than I anticipated.
A simple but effective cryogenic shrink method for bearing races or other interference fit components is to use liquid propane from your BBQ or shop heater tank.
Turn the tank upside down and with a proper fitting and hose carefully run however much you need into a freeze-proof container with your part and go until the liquid stays and the part cools off.
Liquid propane at normal air pressure will cool down to around -40. Safety-wise, treat it like an open container of gasoline and play with it outside.
0:49 that weight reduction and knowing how metallurgy used to work, makes me think there must've been in-betweens that we're missing out on. They likely had a thinner casting that told them "yup, this is the lower limit", of course, it's also entirely possible that they mathed it out. Math can tell you a lot about what you're supposed to do. Nowadays, it's fully mathed out inside a computer, they know exactly what they have to do down to atoms... yet somehow still ask pocket rupturing prices.
Love your attention to detail and the pursuit of perfection. Why do we all pay for the whole 12" of hacksaw blades and then use the middle 4" of the blade. Lol.
I never thought of it that way lol 😂
French red hot! Nice!😂. Also, I wonder if there are any remaining machinists who worked on these prototypes and, if so, has Squatch corresponded with any of them?
Even though you say X231 does not perform well for views, I look forward to every episode, prototypes are much more interesting!
I was watching Welker farm and they were using a speedy seal but they used jb weld on the shaft to fill the grove the old seal left behind then they filed the jb weld back to spec.to support the speedy seal
That’s exactly the route I’m going here, I’ve been using JB Weld under Speedi-Sleeves for years 👍
@@squatch253 have we seen a speedy sleeve on this channel or am I just getting dejavu?
Yes, I Speedi-Sleeved the seal surfaces for the top track carrier rollers on 5J1113 👍
John deer when they make new model products are in a hurry to get market so what you are doing is fixing the thing M and M would have done before making it my friend good Job keep up the good work
Subjective judgement calls make or break the deal. Good call on the ring gear.
Another amazing video Tobie
Christine is hell bent that she's not going to be pulled into the 21st century! LOL. She's going to show her appreciation soon though I think. I'm expecting that the first start of her engine is going to go nearly flawlessly, that's my prediction. After that, she'll start trusting you, and finally give you some slack.
FYI, Laughed my butt off at the fold over lock joke. It is EXACTLY what I would have said LOL.
That’s how I test to see who watches all the way to the end lol 👍
Thank you for sharing!
You could put the shims under the bearing cone on the steering shaft, it is easily removed for adjustment.
I have to say you have more patience than me to cut out your own fold over lock when you could just use the old one
Making good progress.
Christine just wont give it up easy, thanks for tue video
I just want to see the snap ring pliers for that atomic snap ring and then maybe the guy whose job that was. I bet he he had a heck of a set of forearms lol😂😂😂
Great to see someone using a file correctly. Seems to be a lost art.
G'day Squatch ,
Another cool vid ,as always .
It is a shame to not recycle the 1923 kerosene can spacer ,
after such a precision result on the previous modification / prototype.
Respect....!
I was waiting to hear you say someone about having a new ring gear made. Honestly, I think that would wind up being the easiest of the options if the original broke. Granted, you'd probably double the cost of the restoration. That would depend on how you had a new one made of course.
Very interesting!
Given the massive amounts of extreme wear they managed to put on just about every part of that machine they obviously didn't have much trouble getting it started so I'd probably take a "let sleeping dogs lie" approach to the ring gear too.
thanks
I believe what u were dancing around saying for the ring gear potential problem is called a cluster fuck lmao! Love Christine please don't give up on her
Lol yes, that is EXACTLY what I was trying to say!
@squatch253 I love your channel and what you do, man. I wish u were my nahbour so i could fix farmalls with ya! Wanna move to Canada?
At 17:00 A great slogan for your 100,000 subscriber start up your channel store t-shirt business. I want to purchase that slogan on your first t-shirt you sell.
That ring gear is the perfect example of if it’s not broken don’t fix it. Unobtanium is a difficult material to work with combine that with x231’s sustain for progress and it’s a recipe for disaster. You have said many times how that watch minutes are lower on these videos but I personally like the Amon’s of work around and reverse engineering it takes to try and put humpty back together again
Also applicable here: “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.” 👍
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Old Christine peeks her head up and says "another curveball", BUT - if all it is, is a speedy-sleeve... Well, I think we are going to be ok............. For this step.
OK. I know that you will probably think I'm crazy but this is the fifth time I've watched this video. I have what you may think is a crazy idea. I was thinking that if you deliberately used a thick shim above the top bearing race it would allow you to adjust bearing preload the same way as the production tractors used. Just a crazy thought from an X231 fanatic.
Not a can but a bucket of worms!
Loving seeing Minnie Mo getting some attention again.
Re-use that foldover lock - that is a dirty word!
Just curious; where do you source your metal cutting hole saws from?
Mostly just the local hardware store, they sell the Milwaukee brand there.
Awesome as usual. Seeing you compare/contrast component weight a few times on this project… makes me wonder if you have any idea of the final gross weight comparison between the fully assembled prototype and the production model?
It will be interesting to weigh this tractor once it’s completed, but I would estimate it could easily be 20% heavier than the production model.
Your Christine is some what like my 1926 Oldsmobile they just don't make parts any more. So either try to recondition the worn parts or go to the machine shop. I have an awesome machine shop but had to redo second gear because there were 3 second gears. On the second gear was a little taller so they had to trim the long reach gear the thickness of a sheet of paper. Now no more high pitch gear wind.i don't comment much I injoy all your awesome videos. I go thru the same problems that you have with cars they haven't built in 60 years. If I had a place to put the shop that you have I would not need the machine shop. Denis from Santa Rosa CA
You da man! 🥸👍👀✅
It would’ve been very interesting to watch this thing being prototyped
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Waiting for the next
Another thing to think about moving the ringgear on the flywheel would be a guess of where will the engine stop at now after being rebuild, will it stop at the old place of rotation or stop at a different place, ??
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Squatch, I've turned ring gear over on many flywheels by just using a torch to heat them until they come loose, then removing them. Couldn't you do the same thing except just rotate it a bit for better teeth? I believe it would work out just fine.
Yes, I did that on 5J1113 in its restoration series. In that case though, if something happened to the ring gear (they mainly just like to crack during the removal process) I’d be able to source another one without any trouble. I don’t have that luxury here, so every action has to be weighed for benefits versus risk.
I smirk every time I see one of those little simple looking things you make that I know has taken you an hour or hours and you just gloss over it like it's nothing.
good job
Just wondering, what was the final fault that stopped X231? Certainly doesn't look like the ring gear.
Remember back to this time last year when we were going through the live power clutch that lives in the back end? That’s the piece that exploded, then wedged one of its bits under the big bull gear, stopped the whole machine in its tracks, and blew up the whole rear end.