David Bowie & Trent Reznor 1995 Interview with Kurt Loder | MTV News
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As a huge NIN fan, I've seen a million interviews with Trent. This is the happiest interview I've ever seen with him...
I can only think that it was Bowie's fault. RIP
+Richard Buchli me too :( , oh bowie, Trent took more than a week to speak about Bowie s death, cant imagine how sad he is
You are so right! You rarely see Trent smile in interviews. He's always so conservative & serious. Shy & unassuming as David describes, but he's quite light hearted here. You can really see that David was someone Trent trusted, respected & admired greatly.
Richard Buchli Bowie helped pull quite a few artists out of low periods. Iggy Pop was the first which I'm forever thankful for.
Richard Buchli
True, I was thinking the same! It's so nice to see him smile for once!
Pretty sure they’re both on coke.
I think David Bowie wanted to collaborate with Trent Reznor because he wanted to be "the tan one" for once.
the thin tan duke
paulytamale Racist bitch.
Mister Justice Bassist Rich?
Mister Justice How is that even remotely racist?
EXPLODE If you’re that dense that you can’t tell, I’m not going to explain the obvious.
has anyone noticed bowies brilliant joke that he just threw away instantly... "ill be brutally Frank.... you be Earnest and ill be Frank"
They used that in the lemony snicket books in I think it was penultimate peril
He had a sharp wit. Sometimes I think ppl figured out later that it was a zinger. He learned from Lennon on that.❤
He was a smart boy! Miss his kinda humor. A little nudge,nudge,wink wink...say no more. (I really wanna say somthing nasty, y'know).
#dadjokes Bowie is a beautiful loss
I don’t get it.... Is it a JoJo reference?
I love how the interviewer isnt an ego, he doesnt keep butting in or asking stupid questions. He just keeps the two great geniuses talking and spurring on a great conversation
DSJFKLFKJAS FSFDFSADBJ Kurt loder was a great interviwer
I grew up with MTV, this interview was when i was just going into college, and I always remember Loder kicked ass in an interview. My favorite all time interview with Loder was when he interviewed Oasis. He kind of understood them but said that we will use subtitles for the viewers. Funny thing is they did!
Loder is OG man. The best.
yes, it's just the way he sits lol. like a teacher trying to be cool
Kurt Loder wasn’t hip or cool, he was to MTV a fish out of water. The reason he was so popular on MTV was his professionalism in reporting. He would come in regardless of whether it was metal, rap, or pop just report it as if he was covering a major political event.
And he lasted decades because of it
For once Bowie doesn't seem like he's afraid of Americans and Reznor doesn't seem like he's one badly-worded question from assaulting the interviewer.
Why is this comment so good
It's not good it's lazy and cringy AF@@chinchirap2
David had aged incredibly well, and Trent, now in his 50's, has aged well, too. What a beautiful collaboration it was. RIP David, one of the few true legends.
You will too if your wife is as beautiful as theirs😂.
Hair pieces help too. David used them as most people in show business do. David’s were pretty real looking which is why many people think it was his real hair
Coke must interfere with the aging process somehow.
@@Smoove_J No, cocaine accelerates the aging process.
@@Smoove_J no your thinking of H (eroin)
Bowie's vinyl jacket is louder than the Swans album Cop.
lol music elitist joke
MortonGoldthwait STOP
Heyy cool username. I love NIN, I love Swans and I love FoxTrot so I like you
SpoonyLionheart unbelievable that he didn't sweat in it. A jacket like that, zipped on any other human, would make him steam.
Louder. Lolll ?
Bowie had such great taste in music. From hip-hop, to punk, to metal, to pop, etc. He really did not discriminate in the music he listened to.
except country. He hated it
@@allisonchainz82 exactly...great taste
@@allisonchainz82 how do you know that?
Would have loved to hear his take on mumble rap.
True. Bowie also touched on 1960s R'nB (the Mannish Boys; his first band, a mod group), folk ("Letter for Hermione", his first award-winning song), space rock ("Space Oddity", his breakout tune), music hall (most of Hunky Dory, considered by many critics his best record), glam rock (Ziggy Stardust & Aladdin Sane periods, when he broke into the mainstream), 1970s soul (his "plastic soul" era, when he moved to New York and recorded the Young Americans album with Luther Vandross), jazz ("Wild is the Wind", a gorgeous ballad on his sleek Station to Station album), garage rock ("Boys Keep Swinging" and much of his work with Iggy Pop on The Idiot record), ambient rock ("Heroes", as well as much of his Low and Lodger albums recorded in Berlin with Brian Eno), funk ("Fashion" and "Ashes to Ashes", his popular dance tunes from the later 1970s), and eventually electronica ("I'm Afraid of Americans" and most of his collaborations with Trent Reznor in the 1990s). Bowie indeed had a wide and eclectic musical palate.
kurt loder is so cool he sits backwards in a chair just like all the kids did in the 90s
LOL I know you're being cynical, and Kurt was a bit of an old dork. But he was my favorite MTV anchor, and always scored good interviews with some of my favorite artists, hence this video.
He’s like the middle-aged male teacher who thinks he’s the school’s “cool teacher” to the students. *flips chair backwards, sits down* “OK dudes, let’s rap!”
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All times
All places
We end up on our a&&es
lol I didn't even notice but that's hilarious
He was 50 back then. He really tried to fit in the Ninetiees.
Awe trent is so young! he filled out his voice well as he aged :D
"He's such a little guy, and so shy... A scorching demon inside." lmfao!!
Trent's damn near 40 in this
@@williamhollaway1960 He's only 30 here.
@@newgame897 30?! Damn son.
@@williamhollaway1960 This was 1995. Trent was 30.
@@jobelthirty1294 He started his career when he was in his 20s I believe. And then this is 10 years later, more or less...
This is the most 90's rock n' roll interview ever. Leather, torn Jean's, goth hair next to frosted tips, and Kurt Loder sitting on a backward chair.
Kurt loder is 77
@@booster330 77 gets to have Kurt Loder for a year
Bowie's accent is gorgeous. Whatever he does, what ever he wears, sings or says, his hair is always beautiful and his art is amaZing.
*He was as big a fashion icon as he was in music --- lots of people don't know that*
+scccrm 973 ...and his eyes...what would I give for having such amazing eyes...
+TylerDurden43 Well, you'd need to get punched in the face. That's why he has such cool eyes. From being punched in the eye when he was a kid.
Laura M
....yes, I know the story...what a lucky guy...other one´s getting a broken nose or loosing some teeth...but Bowie`s getting the most amazing eyes on this planet ;-)...
absolutely
Two brilliant artists sitting side by side here
@Rafael Del Villar thanks for being a prick.
With Trent.
most def
Kurt's loaded
Agreed
The best part of this video is Kurt Loder. "Gotta look cool for my interview with Bowie and Trent Reznor..think I'll go with the tight pants and leather jacket today." He goes into the interview, spins his chair around, and sits in it facing backwards - "Let's dish."
Lol
Gotta be adaptable, you know
Liisi Altsaar Loved reading his Rolling Stone reviews since I was a teenager
Dr drew was the cool old guy to me 😁
Lol
Trent always looked so happy with Bowie ❤
Kate Vielle he’s so cute and joyful!
when you get on stage with your teenage idol... you are on top of the world
This is so surreal. I remember seeing this when it aired, at a girlfriend's place. I was in my mid-20's back then. Funny how you look in the mirror and see a middle aged man, but you see something like this, and still feel like your younger self for a few minutes.
"It's not as bad as when a drummer dies onstage!" LMAO
I loved that part. He's like "you think you've seen some shit, well this happened!" xD
The irony being that NIN had a drummer collapse on stage with a heart murmur about a decade later
@@Kyle_The_Mighty And one of their pre-TDS tour drummers (not Vrenna, but Jeff Ward) died in 93, but I guess Bowie didn't know it.
PS: Not onstage, he killed himself, he was an heroin addict, I guess that partially inspired some of the stuff in TDS.
The Brit humor and American humor really come together in symbiosis with these two. :-D
David loved " The Downward Spiral" and I don't blame him. Trent wrote and structured the album around David's album "Low" as he's was a huge fan...can't blame him for that either.
Theta I never heard that, I heard downward spiral was a complete experiment with no real idea of what was gonna happen
@@KevinCease Basically, Trent listened to "Low" a lot while he was working on TDS. The track "a warm place" is inspired by a couple of the atmospheric instrumental synth tracks that are at the end of the "Low" album. The whole of TDS isn't inspired by the Bowie album.
I love it when I find out that Bowie and I were enjoying the same music at the same time
The Wall was a major influence on Tds
Gotta say, meeting one of your influences and having them admire your work has got to be the best feeling in the world.
"He's got extremely strong pair of lungs. And he's such a little guy."
Two of the some of the best voices in that particular era were little guys that blew every one away.
Trent Reznor and Eddie Vedder, who's only 5'6".
Lennon; McCartney and Harrison were all only 5'7" as well. Ringo even shorter.
hes making a joke
Jeff Buckley was a little guy to
Its wild how many front men are so short. Prince, thom yorke, bono, bruno mars, guy from fallout boy. Rivers cuomo
Beck is a small guy, so is the singer for GodSmack …
Trent is so young here. It's amazing to see how well he's developed as an artist and gained his confidence. David has always had an amazing eye for real talent and hard work. He scoped Trent knowing how very promising he was. Funny to have such a deep love for both these two individual's art over my lifetime (as a now 30 something year old guy) and come back to find this interview I'd over looked. I knew of their tour together but never watched this. It put a smile to my face to see Trent all uncomfortable. David nonchalant but knowing Trent was to become greater with time. He was right. Trent's been playing in the background with movie soundtracks lately, but doing such increasingly incredible things. Looking forward to Trent's creations knowing David left him with some of his Legacy. I see bits and pieces of David in Trent's works these days, I'm glad and I think Trent gets it what he was given. A handing off of the torch.
Vox Animus wow, I feel this as well and couldn't have said it better man!
9:19 awww look at the way Trent smiles after answering that question. He looks like a kid who's just met his hero. Never thought I would use "cute" for Trent Reznor but that's just adorable.
i bet trent was fangirling throughout the entire interview as he realized "omg, i'm sitting next to david bowie... *screams*"
+thevoid99 david bowie was doing more fangirling here.
+thevoid99 Bowie needed Reznor much more. I was 16 when this happened and a huge NIN fan. I learned of Bowie through NIN and this collaboration. Became huge fan and understood how big of a fan and inspiration David was in Trent's life.
+Pete Agassi Ummm, I don't think so. Bowie's always worked with the best of the best and was not intimidated by anyone. Respect for Trent yes, fangirling absolutely not.
+cactaceous Hahahah Cact sorry your offbase on that comment
+Ironjack53 How am I off base? I love Bowie more than I love NIN but lets have the facts right. This interview is from 1995. The Downward Spiral had come out the previous year and had been an amazing critical and commercial success. Their Woodstock 94 performance was mythologized. Bowie on the other hand was coming off the lucrative but completely panned Never Let Me Down album and the Glass Spider tour, the lackluster reception to both Tin Machine albums and the utter indifference, both commercial and critically to Black Tie White Noise and the ignored Buddha of Suburbia. That's why he went back to Eno on Outside and recruited Trent and NIN for the tour. He needed a spark. He needed a resurgence. He needed inspiration. He needed Eno and Trent to get him back on track. He got it. Outside is his best album since Scary Monsters and the tour was well received and got him back on MTV on high rotation when they both made the I'm Afraid of Americans video from Earthling. I was 16 when all of this was happening and though NIN he got exposure to a much younger demographic. I knew of Bowie but didn't feel compelled to explore until his association w NIN. So, I'm not off base.
Everyone gushing over Bowie and Reznor. That parts a given. But lets not forget the third talent in the room: Kurt Loder. I grew up watching the man and his tasteful ways of delivering not only news but memorable interviews such as this. Not sure what hes doing these days, but he was practically the face and voice of MTV throughout the 90s. Seemed like a professional and artists seemed to have a great respect for him.
Hell yeah. He's definitely one of my favorites. His voice and delivery always struck
Lmao his vinyl jacket crinkles like a vinyl record
Install a Friend ayy nice puns
He was a walking work of art
Oh god I can't stop hearing every little crackling noise now
The way they laugh each other makes me think they had a helluva time together and they understood each other ! I love these guys :')
I love Bowie and nin so none of this trolling bullshit , that said I am sure they were both a tad under the influence of Coke. Checkout the pupil sizes they have had a bump or two. Having fun and for Trent living a dream as he has always referenced David as a major influence.
+sandman sevenseven They've both had substance abuse issues in the past, but David's pupil in his left eye was permanently dilated after a fist fight in his youth.
Trent notably had a drug problem at the time, but Bowie had been clean for more than a decade by that point. They may have been drinking, though. *shrug*
David had quit drinking a while before then, as well, that's what he was like sober.
I just think that they'd been fucking.
I love how you hear David's leather jacket squeak while he moves
+Ciel Jones I kid you not, this is the 6th time this has happened xD
Seeing nothing but positive comments about these two amazing men warms my heart.
They seemed like they really liked each other
Every once in a while I come back to this video to remind myself that humanity is capable of great things. Just look at these two geniuses. Look at how relaxed they are, like if they were just two random guys having a chat and not two of the most important artsits of our time. The fact that we had these two in music, is enough for you to feel proud of humanity and all the great things we are capable to do. RIP Starman for your incalculable influence on arts. And thank you for giving Trent a light of hope in all that darkness he was going thru in that time. How I wish both of them could have one more musical moment together before the end.
That was a great collaboration. I loved their music together. "I'm afraid of Americans" was my favorite song.
Same here, one of my favorite Bowie songs
Those were the days when MTV was actually music television. The channel should now be called reality tv (RTV).
+Powernetwork he wasn't that afraid as he lived in NY
+Powernetwork Why are you "Afraid of Americans" ? Why would Bowie be "afraid of Americans?
+Powernetwork it's a song . It wasn't his life; he lived it HERE; called himself a NY'er
and holy shit Trent looks like a kid in this interview whereas Bowie always looked young into his 50's even
Bowie’s about 48 here.
RIP David Bowie. The Underground will never be the same without its Goblin King.
Bowies "hurt" with NIN was just magic.
Couldn't stop smiling while watching this, two great artists in a room is a recipe for a good interview. Rest in peace David.
Trents all bouncy bless his heart.
I can't even put into words how precious his giddiness was here but I can say that my heart exploded so...
He can hardly contain himself, I'd be the same way 😅
@@RetroAP its so nice to see him like that, for once
@@jessica5497 right!
Yea they probably just got done double teaming a 14 year old that was drugged. There so grear armt they.
Kurt Loder was my favorite interviewer on Mtv. Calm, soft spoken, not corny and no interrupting...good questions. When David Bowie spoke, I wanted to hear every word.
Kurt was great about that.
he wasnt kidding. To this day it is still the best concert I have been to. I ve been to hundreds of shows
+richard mattson was the best visual effects ive seen at a show. nin part was crazy they played a few songs together. bowie of course had tye best sound. every note was perfect. I was only 15 at the time but 35now. No one has came close to being a better show. ive never seen pink Floyd though. nin has since changed their stage production though and from the looks of it, its a big step up. would have been sweet if they could have done another tour.
I saw NIN in 2014 and can tell you that it is the best concert I've ever been to, performance and visual effects. I was more hyped to see Soundgarden but when I left I was completely amazed
Being only 4 years old at the time, I am so jealous of that experience. There will never be another David.
He is the coolest guy in the room, even with Trent Reznor there.
I've never wanted to be a couch more in my life
Kurt Loder was such a great interviewer.
" Who the fuck r you? Kurt fucking Loder??!! Piss off!"
@@jasonpeters9865 What the hell are you even talking about?
@@neilgarvey2201 Lol, clearly u rnt that cool.
It's fr "Dead Man on Campus." 1998 movie.
@@jasonpeters9865 Clearly....
@@neilgarvey2201some random gut quoting a movie most people haven't heard of or remember saying you're not cool. Brilliant
I wish this was a current story and all was well with the world.
Marion Farrell I understand this
pop culture sucks now, thanks to our overlords
3 years from your comment on this rings more poignant than ever, hope yer doing ok
I agree :/
Yeah.....about that.... see it gets much worse in the future!
'I'm Afraid of Americans' is an outstanding track. The Bowie version is amazing, too, but Reznor brings it to a whole new level. Especially if you're already a Nine Inch Nails fan!
Their live cover of 'Hurt' is equally amazing, if you've never seen the 'Closure' tour video. I don't know what other media of it exists, but the performance is just stellar.
R.I.P Bowie. ya know when trent tweeted that something new was coming in 2016 and then bowie came out with his album, I was really hoping that they'd tour again not gonna lie.
+Alexandra A That would have been amazing...
+Alexandra A Me too. Bowie/NIN was one of those shows I wish I could have seen, so Bowie/NIN 2.0 was definitely a wishlist show to see. It became bigger and bigger when I started hearing Bowie's new record. :'(
+Geoffrey Williams I was there. Nin played the amazing hits that we knew so well from our well worn cassette tapes. Bowie came out and blew our minds in flowing yellow and white gauze dress and pants and played Outside like he was from another world. Garson at his best, Gail Ann... Ahhh
Man, why did I have to be born so late that I was too young to attend this fucking powerhouse concert?
(Born in 1989)
I love seeing Trent so happy working with David! Trent smiles and laughs more in this interview, than any other one I've watched. :D
Trent just got inducted into the hall of fame
Wish bowie was alive to finally see this moment
Bowie was in his late 40s here I think. He sure looks good considering all the things he used to indulge in.
You could probably say the same thing about Trent these days.
Absolutely. Trent looks very healthy and youthful for a man who used to punish himself with endless touring and lots of chemicals and everything in between. He also looks pretty content in his own skin these days. I'm glad he finally found some peace in himself. Being young and full of rage can produce some very creative stuff but it can also drag you down and it gets tiresome after a while.
At this time NIN was huge and at the end of the Downward Spiral tour, so most people at the shows were there to see NIN who was opening. They knew half the crowd would leave if there was a break or intermission between the bands. So the way they melded both bands and both performed a few songs together was genius. Hearing Bowie’s vocals on my favorite NIN song Reptile blew me away. Still one of the best concert experiences of my life!!! RIP David Bowie!!!
the crowd still left even without a break at the show i went to :/
@@SniffyPoo anyone who leaves while Trent and Bowie are doing a duet of Hurt and Reptile should not have been at the show to begin with!!! It was a their loss for sure!!!
@@WHR17 they left after bowie's solo set w/o Trent started. it was a big NIN crowd, and yeah, today they probably wished they had stayed. It was the only Bowie concert I saw live.
He was such a soft spoken, good natured brilliant man! I can't believe Bowie is gone!
Wow, Trent looks kinda happy! I have never seen him looking like this
'He's got a Bowie on his back.'
Reznor being a fanboi, Bowie bein a boss. Legendary interview.
What I like most about this interview is how Bowie with his charismatic personality transforms the atmosphere to make it completely pleasant to the point that we see a Reznor from the "The Downward Spiral" era smiling, joking and chatting comfortably, all my respects to The Thin White Duke.
TRENT'S SO PRETTYYYYYYYYYYYYY
David’s so fucking cool
Strange that Bowie refers to his music as over-layered and textured, whilst referring to Trent as a minimalist, I've always seen Reznor's music as very textured, and over-layered, so much so that I can always hear something new every time I listen. Maybe it's just in context to this collaboration.
I love how Trent is sitting there waiting ever so patiently, looking around and anticipating David's thoughts, as though it were a job interview...hoping David will say, "YES TRENT! You've got the job!"
imagine Bowie dressed as Ziggy Stardust while shooting “Afraid of Americans”.
First time I've heard him say how 'fabulous' Gail Ann Dorsey is both a great singer and bass player.'Under Pressure' is the one song I saw her take lead. The tour band will be hard to forget--pure magic.
They seem like two best friends in middle school. What a once in a lifetime pair of men.
I adore Trent and I miss Bowie so much. They are two musical geniuses and it makes me happy they were friends.
wow.... Make me wanna cry, because, they´re all getting older, some of them gone, like God Bowie, so I think who´s gonna make music than, I mean music for us, these people like me who likes not conventional things. But remember to keep searching, keep investigating new sonds, new bands, always with criteria. Ahh please come back
Lifesmyth
I feel your pain. Luckily there's new exciting, great talent everywhere these days in the underground, unsigned scene..
I was in my late 20's when this interview was new. Brings back great memories
I met Bowie while working at Clinton Studios (2001)....super polite natural guy with incredible grace. 🤘🔥
Is this before he killed Dumbledore, or after?
Got it now. Its TR that looks Snape. I was wondering how Bowie was in HP.
Lol. I was expecting this comment
Snape looks like Trent dear.
Now it makes sense why there was a song called "Reptile."
You know... there were those those slithery snakey wizards in those books.
I thought he was adam driver for a second when I saw the thumbnail
what’s impressive to me after looking back at that time, Trent shockingly channels David Bowie’s voice in his last EP w/the finishing song “Over And Out”! i definitely think, in retrospect, they helped unintentionally each other in their future solo works.. ah, the memories…
Aesthetic comment: Trent is an interesting man, David is beautiful. I thought it back then, I still think it now. Real beauty, to me.
both beautiful in their own ways
I love the creaking sound of leather jackets.
Lol David Bowie always had a way of landing right in the middle of the most creative current musical zeitgeist
Hard to believe Bowie is no longer physically with us. These two enigmas, in my opinion is what music still needs today. I love seeing Trent containing his fan boy feelings for the camera, but you can see and feel how they both greatly respected and liked one another. Thankful NIN is still around and touring, will appreciate them while I can and grateful for what they both have done. Together and independently❤️✨
My first concert was the Halloween show (1995) at the Nissan Pavilion with Nine Inch Nails opening for David Bowie.
It was so great, it was mind-blowing.
R.I.P. David Bowie.
My first concert w/out family supervision was at Hershey stadium on the same tour!
I'm obsessed with the way Trent Reznor says "thinkin"
“That was an edit point.” OH YOU
The Bowie/Reznor tour was essentially "senpai noticed me"
NIN and Janes' Addiction were two groups the older fans recognized as having their roots squarely in classic and progressive rock, and got the attention of all the musicians at the time. No surprise when Reznor and Bowie teamed up.
words cannot explain how much i love these two guys, just listening to them makes me so happy😭 bless their hearts
I miss his music. When this collab came out I was having my first child and didn’t get a chance to really appreciate this. Lately I have been revisiting Bowie and have become a Nine Inch Nails Fan!!! What took me soooo long.
Hard not to like seeing these two together-music is the language that they share and respect each other for what they can give to one another-age matters not
5:56 "That was an edit point" - the AMAZING part is that just by noticing and pointing it out, Bowie ensures (perhaps with intent) it will not be cut! THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE THE HEISENBERG UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE, where as soon as you look at something with a photon you can no longer be sure of its location because the photon moved it!
Good OLD days ... when MTV featured great musicians
saw them live in atlanta...around 1995? ...killed it....they just foken killed it....what a gig
You don't see Trent smile a lot. So when you do, you treasure that moment...
man I miss Bowie and that tour was fucking amazing
9:20 is beyond adorable T__T
Nice backwards chair vibe, Kurt.
That's funny!
Was such a thrill back then to see him come back and collab with Reznor and blow everyone out of the water again. Was such a great time.
Kurt could have been a news anchor for a major stations. He was so good.
Kurt Loder, man. Flashback from the past. He was MTV and made those years so memorable.
I love how they rezonate
I love how the style of one became the style of it all
What a great tour! NIN played their show their way. The last song Trent sang was Scary Monsters then Bowie came out to sing Reptile with NIN. After the song ended, seamlessly the stage turned to pastels and Bowie began his set his way. It was one of the best live performances I've ever seen.
The meeting of these two geniuses was a gift, let alone them collaborating
... when MTV was cool...
#This
Well it’s not MTV’s fault that music sucks ass nowadays. I prefer that they just air their shitty realities 24/7 than playing and promoting mumble rap, trap and that kind of garbage.
Even Severus Snape is forced to laugh and smile in the presence of the most giant demigod of general & true artistic relevance.
The sound of Bowie’s jacket haunts this interview
What an awesome couple of down to earth incredibly creative artists. Really enjoyed this. Miss David! RIP.
RIP David we all will remember you with your amazing voice and music,you did really good the first punk rock band great music and Trent is so talented he is a real star.
I'm so grateful that I got to see that tour. It was my introduction to NIN - they blew my mind, then when they were on stage together with Bowie, it was completely next level, and Bowie's set was phenomenal. One of the best shows I've ever seen.
What an awesome interview! both are such professionals!
When you hear David talk about composing and creating music you realize there is so much more to the music we hear and enjoy everyday
My first concert. I was 15! NIn and Bowie….incredible.
These men are threatening my fragile heterosexuality.