yes but its all been at practice..Not giving the motorcycle enough throttle...everything you mentioned in the video gave me an ah ha moment even the mph you where going...it was really awsome to watch and im subscribed to you and motojitsu's channel...thank you both for these videos..
More times than I care to think about. All but once in the parking lots I practice in. Almost every time it was insufficient power to the rear wheel. When I got my first big boy bike(81 Honda CB750) I dropped it twice the first day I bought it. Took a turn wide in second gear and hit the curb. When I finished riding, I was turning on a downhill gravel grade into a barn. I hit the front brake and dumped it on the other side. That was 1994. You learn more from failure than success.
Great information. And the fact that you actually videoed yourself dropping your bike brought back some very bad memories from the past. Unpleasant to watch, and an altogether too familiar feeling. Haven't dropped my bike during slow speed riding in a long time, but I'm not doing these drills either. I'll have to get back to them. I did just have a drop where I stopped, forgot to put down the kickstand and went to get off the bike. That didn't end well. Keep up the great videos!
Now regardless..I couldn't agree more with your info MOTOTIPZ. Like Greg's content from Motojitsu, I've puts yours to the test and both of you know what you're talking about like true bosses
I have a v strom and am a new rider. I was parking up and I turned the bars to the right and snatched the front break and I fell over to the right. The motorcycle fell on top of me and I injured my shoulder, ribs and elbow. On top of that , I destroyed the indicator and bar end and hand guard. Im going to be hurt for a few weeks and will have to digest your video to try to get some confidence back.
Sorry to hear about your injuries. The video covers it, but you definitely have to be careful grabbing the front brake while going slow with the bars turned. The rear brake can be more helpful when parking.
Thank you Big Bad Bill. I watched your 5 reasons you drop your bike lesson ,twice in the last 24 hours, and did my best session, today in a marked parking lot,( circles,figure eights),about 15 miles from home. Thanks Man! Well done!
It’s easier to turn and lean IF you truly turn your head. “Looking” L or R isn’t enough. Ya gotta turn yer head. What makes it easier is you stop fixating on things like bar angle and bike angle … because you’re not seeing them. Those things “magically” take care of themselves. Keep a minimum pace going, and don’t freak out when you scrape a foot peg.
Very good information. It's definitely important to turn your head and even your chest in the direction you want to go. Like you said the other things kind of sort themselves out and naturally fall into place. 👍
3:38 to 4:03 indeed. That's why IF you've become great at sub 20ft turns and you want to tighten them up without adding any noticable lean angle use the rear brake and just tiny feather touches of it... It's less jarring than the front allows dining tuned tighter turns..as in barely 5 percent of that of the rear brake
Greetings, This is perhaps the best video on this subject on UA-cam. I takes numerous classes with SoCal PD’s covering this topic extensively and have gotten pretty good. However, my ability to transfer that knowledge to my daughter has been tough as I am not an instructor. You break it down in a manner that I can easily transfer this to her.
never understood the phrase "weight the outside peg" if your pushing down on the outside peg your leaning into the turn were if you push on the inside peg your leaning the bike plus counter weighting
13:21 to 13:28 I'll bet you anything from the sound of that bike that at the 65 percent distance mark of making that u turn... this guy gentle raised the engine rpm some fast and set it at a set rpm range and was letting out the friction zone barely 5 to 10mms at most to help it sustain that balanced lean and power through to finish it.
This was great. Thank you. I really struggle with keeping my head up when doing slow speed drills. Are you applying any back brake? Or do you force yourself to eliminate the back brake altogether?
Hello Mike great video again. Really like your videos. The only thing I would add and maybe you mentioned it is you are going to drop your bike at some point practicing which is part of the process of learning better control if the bike and becoming a better rider
It's Bill. Mike is MotoMecha. 😜 Very true. If you're learning and practicing these skills there is a good chance you may drop your motorcycle. I did record a clip on that, but had to cut a few things out so it wasn't 30 minutes long.
So peeps.. remember..this dude SHOWED us what would happen...and actually dropped his bike...for us as a demonstration.. IF THAT isn't dedication to execution flaws involving education...nothing is.👍👏
Hardest thing for me is stop and go traffic on some two lane country roads with 4 way stops. I usually just stop and let the car in front move up a couple of car lengths before I move forward so I don’t have to move so slow. Any other tips for this?
Go to a parking and try these two drills. First, while riding at 5-10 mph practice going about 30 feet or 3 parking stalls and stopping. Do 10 stops putting just your left foot down and then 10 stops putting just you right foot down. This will get you more comfortable starting and stopping. Once you're comfortable with that, try riding as slow as you can in a straight line for about 60 feet.
I don’t quite understand the point of the friction zone, at least for my bike I’m assuming bigger, more powerful bikes have a higher idle speed, 15 mph for example. In that case, I get it, you need the friction zone to get fractional power so that you can maintain the 7-9mph zone for slow speed drills But my 400cc sport bike idles at 4-5 mph, I feel like I need full clutch engagement plus a bit of throttle, otherwise I’d be too slow for slow speed and U turn drills. Is there any point for me to be in the friction zone?
Hello! Great video! I've found your channel through Motojitsu and I think both are great sources of riding knowledge. Now, I'm riding now for around 14 years and covered over 100k miles on various bikes - so, I know it's nothing probably when compared to you or some other riders but... I wouldn't say I'm new to riding either. This slow riding is seriously challenging. But I'm determined to improve.. Why I hear you asking? My recent bike trip to Alps... Several high mountain passes which I have managed to survive without dropping the bike BUT I could have enjoyed it so much more with better slow riding techniques. Plus... this scenario : oh look! Such a nice place! Let's turn around (narrow road)?! ... being a frightening thought. Well, I have enough of this. Went yesterday and practiced on my bike - for now I was reassured that I can't do these slow maneuvers. However, I've never dropped the bike in such scenarios, so I hope that what you and Greg are saying (practice will make you better) will become reality. Again, thank you for this video! 👌🏻
Luckily, I haven't dropped mine yet(touches wood), I really hurt my knee not so long ago, because I foolishly pulled the clutch all the way in- on a fairly tight and leaned right turn on a figure 8, and stupidly put my right foot down- trying to save the bike from falling... Lesson learned. Painfully. Knee was f***ed for like a week. Again I'm lucky my bike only weighs ~140kg.
Putting your foot down is a natural reaction. Have to learn to trust yourself and let out on the clutch. But if the motorcycles going to fall, better to risk a scratch than a long term injury...
I have question...I have no problem doing u turns but I can feel my arm pulling one of the handle bars when Im leaning the bike so my question is...is that still fear of full locking the handle bars? also I have a dct so no clutch just throttle and brake..
With a DCT your rear brake acts like your clutch. You have to be careful though and use very light pressure on the rear brake. When you're at full lock and leaning your inside arm will be pulling the bar towards you. Check out MotoJitsu's channel, he has a couple videos demoing full lock turns on a Goldwing with DCT.
MIke, have a question: Once in a while we watch videos like yours, or Greg's, in which we are told that when you execute a U-turn, that just before you make the turn you counter steer. To me it means that if I want to lean to the left, that I first have to turn handlebar to the right just like we do in high speed. So, is this indeed true that counter steering works at such low speed such as 8 to 10 MPH? Can you comment on this and do you yourself do so? Many thanks for your great videos, and clarity of your own voice and audio, not so with many youtubers!
A little bit of counter steer helps initiate the lean. Some people even do a more pronounced jog before the U-turn. Once the motorcycle starts leaning then the bars turn in the direction you want to go. On my u-turn video I show it in slow motion. It took me a couple of videos to get the audio worked out and figure out a good microphone setup 😜
Not entirely correct , this advice is for beginners not having much throttle control or self steering concept. I do fogure 8 within 4 parking spaces with no clutch or rear brake , sone times with front brake within 4 parking spaces. All the time looking in front of ky front tire and some times with eyes closed.
Have you ever dropped your motorcycle?
yes but its all been at practice..Not giving the motorcycle enough throttle...everything you mentioned in the video gave me an ah ha moment even the mph you where going...it was really awsome to watch and im subscribed to you and motojitsu's channel...thank you both for these videos..
1st day. It had 5km in.
@@Sim0es at least you got the first one out of the way quickly 🤷
Not yet, but I mostly ride like the old man I am. Fairly cautious.
Literally at the time of purchase in a smiths parking lot, dropped the clutch, bike stalled and down it went.
More times than I care to think about. All but once in the parking lots I practice in. Almost every time it was insufficient power to the rear wheel. When I got my first big boy bike(81 Honda CB750) I dropped it twice the first day I bought it. Took a turn wide in second gear and hit the curb. When I finished riding, I was turning on a downhill gravel grade into a barn. I hit the front brake and dumped it on the other side. That was 1994. You learn more from failure than success.
We definitely learn more from our mistakes. Drops happen, the important thing is to pick it up and keep riding. 😜
Great information. And the fact that you actually videoed yourself dropping your bike brought back some very bad memories from the past. Unpleasant to watch, and an altogether too familiar feeling. Haven't dropped my bike during slow speed riding in a long time, but I'm not doing these drills either. I'll have to get back to them. I did just have a drop where I stopped, forgot to put down the kickstand and went to get off the bike. That didn't end well. Keep up the great videos!
I aim to please 😜
Now regardless..I couldn't agree more with your info MOTOTIPZ. Like Greg's content from Motojitsu, I've puts yours to the test and both of you know what you're talking about like true bosses
Thanks! 😎
I have a v strom and am a new rider. I was parking up and I turned the bars to the right and snatched the front break and I fell over to the right. The motorcycle fell on top of me and I injured my shoulder, ribs and elbow. On top of that , I destroyed the indicator and bar end and hand guard. Im going to be hurt for a few weeks and will have to digest your video to try to get some confidence back.
Sorry to hear about your injuries. The video covers it, but you definitely have to be careful grabbing the front brake while going slow with the bars turned. The rear brake can be more helpful when parking.
Great advice, great Video
Excellent tutorial. Great job. Clear, precise and to-the-point. Thanks...
Thank you Big Bad Bill. I watched your 5 reasons you drop your bike lesson ,twice in the last 24 hours, and did my best session, today in a marked parking lot,( circles,figure eights),about 15 miles from home. Thanks Man! Well done!
That's awesome! Keep up the practice. Let me know if you have any questions I can help you with.
It’s easier to turn and lean IF you truly turn your head. “Looking” L or R isn’t enough. Ya gotta turn yer head.
What makes it easier is you stop fixating on things like bar angle and bike angle … because you’re not seeing them. Those things “magically” take care of themselves.
Keep a minimum pace going, and don’t freak out when you scrape a foot peg.
Very good information. It's definitely important to turn your head and even your chest in the direction you want to go. Like you said the other things kind of sort themselves out and naturally fall into place. 👍
Well presented 👍
Thanks for the education!
Any time!
Came from MotoJitsu. Great instruction here, "practice"!
So true. How many times do we go for a ride, but not a practice ride?
Anyhow, bravo, subbed!
Pick something to practice on every ride! Thanks for subscribing!
3:38 to 4:03 indeed.
That's why IF you've become great at sub 20ft turns and you want to tighten them up without adding any noticable lean angle use the rear brake and just tiny feather touches of it...
It's less jarring than the front allows dining tuned tighter turns..as in barely 5 percent of that of the rear brake
Greetings,
This is perhaps the best video on this subject on UA-cam. I takes numerous classes with SoCal PD’s covering this topic extensively and have gotten pretty good. However, my ability to transfer that knowledge to my daughter has been tough as I am not an instructor. You break it down in a manner that I can easily transfer this to her.
Thanks for the feedback! My goal is to help people be better, safer riders. Hope this helps your daughter.
You and Motojitsu makes it look so easy, now i just need to shut and practice 😅
With practice it gets a lot easier 😜
Very good work, appreciate and share it
Thanks!
never understood the phrase "weight the outside peg" if your pushing down on the outside peg your leaning into the turn were if you push on the inside peg your leaning the bike plus counter weighting
There are times that you should weight the outside peg. I usually focus more on weighting pegs for dirt riding and standing up.
great and helpful video
Thanks!
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great content, thank you 🙏
Thanks for watching!
I have tried your tips and got perfect and amazing results thank you once more 🙏🙏🙏
13:21 to 13:28 I'll bet you anything from the sound of that bike that at the 65 percent distance mark of making that u turn... this guy gentle raised the engine rpm some fast and set it at a set rpm range and was letting out the friction zone barely 5 to 10mms at most to help it sustain that balanced lean and power through to finish it.
Nice video buddy
Thanks!
This was great. Thank you. I really struggle with keeping my head up when doing slow speed drills. Are you applying any back brake? Or do you force yourself to eliminate the back brake altogether?
Hello Mike great video again. Really like your videos. The only thing I would add and maybe you mentioned it is you are going to drop your bike at some point practicing which is part of the process of learning better control if the bike and becoming a better rider
It's Bill. Mike is MotoMecha. 😜 Very true. If you're learning and practicing these skills there is a good chance you may drop your motorcycle. I did record a clip on that, but had to cut a few things out so it wasn't 30 minutes long.
@@mototipz my apologies sir!!
@@richardclarke8117 no worries 👍
So peeps.. remember..this dude SHOWED us what would happen...and actually dropped his bike...for us as a demonstration..
IF THAT isn't dedication to execution flaws involving education...nothing is.👍👏
Hardest thing for me is stop and go traffic on some two lane country roads with 4 way stops. I usually just stop and let the car in front move up a couple of car lengths before I move forward so I don’t have to move so slow. Any other tips for this?
Go to a parking and try these two drills. First, while riding at 5-10 mph practice going about 30 feet or 3 parking stalls and stopping. Do 10 stops putting just your left foot down and then 10 stops putting just you right foot down. This will get you more comfortable starting and stopping. Once you're comfortable with that, try riding as slow as you can in a straight line for about 60 feet.
I don’t quite understand the point of the friction zone, at least for my bike
I’m assuming bigger, more powerful bikes have a higher idle speed, 15 mph for example. In that case, I get it, you need the friction zone to get fractional power so that you can maintain the 7-9mph zone for slow speed drills
But my 400cc sport bike idles at 4-5 mph, I feel like I need full clutch engagement plus a bit of throttle, otherwise I’d be too slow for slow speed and U turn drills. Is there any point for me to be in the friction zone?
Hello! Great video! I've found your channel through Motojitsu and I think both are great sources of riding knowledge. Now, I'm riding now for around 14 years and covered over 100k miles on various bikes - so, I know it's nothing probably when compared to you or some other riders but... I wouldn't say I'm new to riding either. This slow riding is seriously challenging. But I'm determined to improve.. Why I hear you asking? My recent bike trip to Alps... Several high mountain passes which I have managed to survive without dropping the bike BUT I could have enjoyed it so much more with better slow riding techniques. Plus... this scenario : oh look! Such a nice place! Let's turn around (narrow road)?! ... being a frightening thought. Well, I have enough of this. Went yesterday and practiced on my bike - for now I was reassured that I can't do these slow maneuvers. However, I've never dropped the bike in such scenarios, so I hope that what you and Greg are saying (practice will make you better) will become reality. Again, thank you for this video! 👌🏻
Sounds like an amazing trip. The mountain roads are tight so being able to make those tight u-turns would definitely help.
@@mototipz exactly. U-turns are the Achilles' heel for so many riders (of course myself including). It can only get better 😉 🤞🏻
Luckily, I haven't dropped mine yet(touches wood), I really hurt my knee not so long ago, because I foolishly pulled the clutch all the way in- on a fairly tight and leaned right turn on a figure 8, and stupidly put my right foot down- trying to save the bike from falling... Lesson learned. Painfully. Knee was f***ed for like a week. Again I'm lucky my bike only weighs ~140kg.
Putting your foot down is a natural reaction. Have to learn to trust yourself and let out on the clutch. But if the motorcycles going to fall, better to risk a scratch than a long term injury...
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I have question...I have no problem doing u turns but I can feel my arm pulling one of the handle bars when Im leaning the bike so my question is...is that still fear of full locking the handle bars? also I have a dct so no clutch just throttle and brake..
With a DCT your rear brake acts like your clutch. You have to be careful though and use very light pressure on the rear brake. When you're at full lock and leaning your inside arm will be pulling the bar towards you. Check out MotoJitsu's channel, he has a couple videos demoing full lock turns on a Goldwing with DCT.
can you lean too much? how much should your bike be leaning?
No not really. The faster you go, the more you need to lean.
MIke, have a question: Once in a while we watch videos like yours, or Greg's, in which we are told that when you execute a U-turn, that just before you make the turn you counter steer. To me it means that if I want to lean to the left, that I first have to turn handlebar to the right just like we do in high speed. So, is this indeed true that counter steering works at such low speed such as 8 to 10 MPH? Can you comment on this and do you yourself do so? Many thanks for your great videos, and clarity of your own voice and audio, not so with many youtubers!
A little bit of counter steer helps initiate the lean. Some people even do a more pronounced jog before the U-turn. Once the motorcycle starts leaning then the bars turn in the direction you want to go. On my u-turn video I show it in slow motion.
It took me a couple of videos to get the audio worked out and figure out a good microphone setup 😜
Not entirely correct , this advice is for beginners not having much throttle control or self steering concept. I do fogure 8 within 4 parking spaces with no clutch or rear brake , sone times with front brake within 4 parking spaces. All the time looking in front of ky front tire and some times with eyes closed.