Decolonization and the loss of Hindustan - Manan Ahmed Asif - Professor - Columbia -
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Manan Ahmed, Associate Professor, is a historian of South Asia and the littoral western Indian Ocean world from 1000-1800 CE. His areas of specialization include intellectual history in South and Southeast Asia; critical philosophy of history, colonial and anti-colonial thought. He is the author of 'The Loss of Hindustan: The Invention of India' and 'A Book of Conquest'.
Manan comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss his latest book, 'The Loss of Hindustan', and we get into a deep dive discussion about history and the need for the decolonization process.
How many things we take be natural were actually constructed by Colonization? Till we do not reexamine our own history, we will continue struggling with the identity crises that face us.
On this podcast we discuss, the historical significance of the word 'Hindustan', the process by which Colonizers enslaved us, the Hindutva philosophy, the language debate and 1971.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
3:20 The Loss of Hindustan
6:15 Tarikh i Ferishta
9:18 Decolonize your thought
12:30 Muhammad Bin Qasim
15:30 A book of Conquest
20:00 Colonial Thought
24:00 The Muslim ummah
29:00 Indian secularism
30:40 The Sub-Continent
37:30 The process of Colonization
47:20 Private Property
52:30 Native Ideas
57:00 The Language debate
1:04:00 Colonial thought
1:18:00 Hate and sectarianism
1:21:00 Zia ul Haq
1:30:00 Foucault and Power
1:36:00 1971
1:40:00 Urdu and Nationalism
2:00:00 Nationalism
2:18:00 Apologists
2:24:00 Reexamining the nation state - Розваги
I like how pakistani/muslim people make their own story to make themselves happy...
Well everyone does that to varying degrees
Pakistani Muslims very cleverly give Islamic color to everything. Your father is a Hindu, everyone understands the mentality of Muslims.
You make yourself happy by gloating about Hindu math and astronomy 2000 yrs ago, internet troll.
Most Pakistan hate Hindus that is why they hate india,it's simple.People like shehzad is rare in Pakistan in his age bracket.
@@md.shaghilsubhani.1639 Mr. Puncture are you aware that Gautam Buddha was born in a hindu family.
Your puncture father did not teach you this.
As Bengali from West Bengal,India. We rarely use the word Hindustan. We generally use the term Bharat. The Hindustan is name given by middle eastern people.
Our religion is Sanatan Dharama not Hindu because Hindu name was given by Persian and Arabs.
They called hindhu for all indian citizens . Hindhusthan ki people ko hindhu bolagaya koyi religion ko nahi…iska mathlab yei hei ham sab pahle hindhus hei uske bath muslim,christian,hindu(sanatan) etc hei…💁🏻♀️
Hindu is used in many puranas like kalika purana
@@malayalamaudiobook924 Hindu-stan refers to Indus, the primary river in the region. The area was generally marked by the region east of Indus.
ওহে ভাই তোমার ধর্মের নাম সনাতন নয়
এটা একটি ধর্ম গুরু দের নতুন গুলবাজি
The two nation theory was first propagated by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan way before Veer Sarvarkar..J Sai Deepak has done a thorough analysis of the same in his latest book..Anyways it was for the best that the nation was partitioned in 1947..
Pakistani liberals just have to make this false equivalence between hindus and muslims. If muslims are bad how can hindu be good. So lets critisize modi, savarkar just because u are critisizing pakistanis and aurangzeb
Agar complete population exchange ho jata to partition best hota. Abhi pakistan muslims ki exclusive property ban gyi h or Bharat joint property.
what a piece of sh**. you believe partition was good?
How? Population exchange was never done? We lost on both ends of deals
89% stayed bro, and still propogating, we lost on both ends and now we celebrate all religions live here peacefully, but we fail to realize it's us in the majority that's why the social fabric is intact, otherwise subcontinent Muslims are so desperate to appear muslims that they will immediately switch india to pak once they are in majority, already hindu fertility rate is below replacemsnt fertility rate (1.9 ) ,
Hindustan is a very North India centric name of region. Thats why we in India officially avoided this name in our constitution. Many languages in southern part of India have no word like "Hindustan". The word to represent Indian subcontinent is Bhaarat in every language. Ex. The magnum opus epic named Maha-Bhaarat.
Same with Bharat and Aryavarta. Both terms only represented parts of modern northern India and parts of northern Pakistan. Dravidians in the south have never referred to their land as Bharat.
Also, the same can be said for the word India which used to represent the Indus region thus Pakistan. The only terms that came to be used to represent all of the subcontinent are India and Hindustan.
@@chaivalla what's Bharatnatyam?
@@jaiminsangar7531 The ancient dance was called Sadir Attam amongst other Dravidian names. It was changed to Bharat Natyam in the 1900s. Pretty much cultural colonization by the north on the south. Like what their doing with imposing Hindi on the south.
@@chaivalla good luck buddy, if you cry wolf for so called hindi imposition, your future generations will speak Urdu and arabic.
@@jaiminsangar7531 The south has its own languages far older than Hindi/Urdu, and other Indo-Aryan languages. Dravidians are the original inhabitants of the subcontinent. Indo-Aryans and Turk-Muslims are outsiders.
This is where the Indian and Pakistani viewpoints on the history of the subcontinent differ. For us colonial times began with the Islamic invasions and for the Pakistanis it began much later.
If a discussion is held on this divergence of views it would be quite interesting.
And for Dravidians when Aryans came? You are part of the problem.
@@chaivalla That is an unproven theory called the Aryan invasion theory.
@@saptarshitalukdar3999 Migration theory is the strongest one. On the other hand, there is no evidence that they were original inhabitants.
@@chaivalla That is not correct. The basis of the theory was the discovery of skeletons at a burial site. But now even the western academia is doubting the bsis of the theory . In India ofcourse the communists, christian missionaries are using it the advance their own agenda.
@@saptarshitalukdar3999 Please share papers where academics have opposed the extremely well researched studies by Shinde, Narasimha, Rohland, Patterson, amongst others.
I haven't come across any and there aren't any.
I'm surprised how even the most secular appearing and learned Pakistanies like this gentleman and even Dr Hoodboy can't see beyond the muslim lense while analyzing India.
As per him, around 1910 is when the idea of all accepting hindustan died. So the reigns of all the Islamic rulers starting from Gauri, Gaznavi till Aurangzeb was part of a period of all accepting Hindustan where every religion was given the right to prosper without any discrimination 🤐🫡
Whatt book can you write if your premise is so wrong and full of flaws
Ssssh they have to save their head
Words like hindustan india hind sindh indus all are foreign names Native name of our country is Bharat
Agree 100%
Sindh is not foreign....
Bharat, jambudweep and aryavart r native
I agree. But the two gentlemen will not understand it. They are using brain of Muhammed bin Kasim and think they knows everything😂.
Sindh/Sindhu is native. The corruption of these 2 gives you the rest.
Its unimaginable for me to discuss india and not talk about buddha, the spirituality the old Indian empires, the diversity of north and south india. The unique art and languages this region had.
If anything this podcast for first time has made me realized what Naipaul used to say. He mentioned that Islam is all about wiping out the history.
I feel really sorry to hear about the synthetic culture which is yet to even develop its roots before giving some fruits. It did not come here due to love or the inner desire of human beings. It came because of conquests.
Sorry to say this but if India is lost a lot is lost. A rich heritage is lost. If the muslims culture of this subcontinent are lost then nothing much is lost. Better to preserve the Arabs and their culture than this implant. Its a permanent wound on this civilization.
Its synonymous to discuss china and only discuss the colonial rule and the opium wars and forget Lao Tzu and Confucius and the history of buddhism.
Sorry to say but this was most surreal experience I ever had. I should thank for that certainly!
Jainism also has deep roots down to Tamilnadu and Karnataka as well bro.
@@harijayaraman1519 yes. Along with that Sikhism as well. But, not Islam or Christianity..
Well said
Yeah, the more I watch this host's videos, the more I'm convinced that he's just peddling Pakistani apologia, and not intellectually honest.
@@wisdomchase When they r not doing well they are victims.. when they are doing well they r GHAZI ...
The base line is always Mistrust n subtle propoganda.
Even Mr syed mujammil..supposed great mind of pakistan...he starts with the base assumption of present India being a Fascist state...how??? No explanation!!!!
Even this dr muktedar khan ( OG ..hyd telengana) Now a professor at Delaware uni.....India is doing great .. but Muslims are in trouble.. how????? No explanation.
Listened to first 45:00 minutes. Several major differences with your guest:
Before the Islamic conquest of India that is Bharat, everyone living in India was a Hindu-- so this hair-splitting of Hindustan referred to the land and not that the people who lived there were following Hindu religion and is a reference to their religion is just that-- it's hair-splitting. Besides, the differentiation between Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and later Sikhism, is also an outsider's lens and is imposed view-- and therefore is colonial. Internally, all these and especially Buddhism and Jainism, were simply treated locally by everyone as just new ways of thinking of Dharma-- just as "Hinduism" itself isn't a monolith but had at least six different and variously competing philosophical expositions. Jain, Buddh, Hindu are all "panths" (sects) of Dharma-- Sanatan Dharma.
This leads to the second major difference: For Sanatanis, the Islamic conquest of India that is Bharat that is Hindustan is itself a colonial conquest. Islam is a colonizing religion, and this isn't something new or recent, nor is it an idea of division seeded and imposed by the British. The "keeda" of Islamic superiority and separatism was much older than Savarkar also. It's written exposition is made by Shah Wiliullah Dehalwi, in mid-1700s; his father was on the committee organized and sanctioned by Aurangzeb to gather the Arabic jurisprudence and write down what became the Fatwa-i-Alamgiri, the basis of which even to this day many of India's Muslims seek to be ruled under that sort of sharia. I don't have to tell you that Fatwa-i-Alamgiri is basically ummah-driven and Islamist, and therefore foreign to Bharat that is India that is Hindustan.
If you're going to talk about colonialism then first understand that Islam and Islamism in Bharat is a colonial enterprise and the Dharma followers have only ever been at the receiving end. Just like you ridicule those who exclaim that at least the British left us the railways-- well, Islam may have built some monuments and maybe written some poetry (not like we didn't have those things aplenty already), but to the extent Islam did anything good to Hindustan, it was to forward Isalmist agenda.
If you come to regions like Tamil Nadu or Kerala, the word 'Hindustan' does not exist even in the dictionary. The most common word used to refer to the South Asian region is 'Bharat.' As for 'Hindustan,' it is a loan word from Persian that came into popular use in parts of India during Mughal occupation. Likewise, 'India' came to be popular during British occupation.
Nice observation. As a Bengali, I do have the same experience. We hardly use the word hindustan, we more often tend to use Bharat or Bharat barsa.
@@surbhisingh5184 bhai mere, kis sastro me hindu likkha hua haiN. Thoda batayeNge...
Namaste
@Hannibal Ad Portas I would partly agree with you. Terms like 'Indoi,' 'India', 'Hind' were used by nations to the West of the Sindhu river. "Dominance" brought these terms into common parlance. As for "dominant" regions within India, at one time the Madhydeshis thought West Punjab and Sindh were backward. At other times the Vijayanagaris thought the Mughals were backward. The picture is not that simple.
@Hannibal Ad Portas In the social sciences most views are debatable. Scholarship is informed opinion. As for BJP or other political organizations, they do not interest me much. I have worked with senior politicians in various countries and have learned the hard way to focus on facts rather than be swayed by the vicissitudes of public sentiment.
Same here in Odisha
Muslims of India proved Savarkar right with Khilafat movement. Cannot deny the truth.
Ironically though Jinnah was vehemently opposed to joining the Khilafat movement and advised Gandhi not to support it either, saying, "this is using religion or appeals of religion to mobilize against the British. One day it will backfire on us. He used that famous phrase: “Mr. Gandhi is spiritualizing Indian nationalist politics.”
@@thefishtruck Every one used Islam when it suited them. Did the same Jinnah not use it to get his own power? Gandhi was wrong on a lot of things. That has been swept under the carpet.
the author conveniently forgot to explain that the rise of Hindu nationalism was to counter the Islamic consolidation of the Muslim league movement. try to portray history in an unbiased manner.
They were contemporaries that feed of each other's bigotry.
Only Hindus were last to consolidate, Muslims were alway consolidating and supporting as one block in general...
@@71espn no muslim league was started by British and it was followed by Rss to counter muslim consolidation..they were not contemporaries...
Would they be called historians anymore if they are not biased? They write books to further their propaganda, like nehruvian historians such as romila thapar and bipan chandra glorifying nehruvian idea of india. In BJP regime, they haven't sanctioned any state funded historiography though but scholars in their private capacity have writing our version of history to counter the narrative. In essence history is full of grey area and no historian paints true pictures, just picking bits and pieces to suit their agenda
@@Suryapoosarla It is incorrect to say that British started it. The separate electorate for Muslims question prompted creation of Muslim party under different name initially which then metamorphosed as Muslim League. It was the basic intention or aspiration to hold onto the power Muslims had before the British arrived. In today’s Pakistan separate electoral votes for minorities means no one bothers about them or anything of any benefit or justice can be demanded as “main” Muslim leaders just do not have to care. It was a bad idea.
Hindustan is a term used n coined by the same ppl who could not pronounce 'Sindhu'
The constitution says INDIA THAT IS BHARAT
No one says Hindustan except around UP, Delhi etc where Urdu speakers who dint go to pakistan stay in huge numbers 😊
We all say Bharat, Bharat desh ,Bharat desham...BHARATAM🙏🙏
Bangla didn't say bangla stan. But desh.
I have noticed that sometimes Pakistani scholars and academicians can have very rudimentary and caricaturish perspectives on the Indian Right, RSS and the BJP. If you want to understand the BJP more, or modi's India more, you can try reaching out to Vinay Sitapati, who's written a book called the 'BJP before Modi', and has traced the history and ideology of the party, without resorting to strawmans or reductionist assertions. He's a left leaning liberal, so am I, so no Bhakt propoganda here. I just feel like people outside India have very little insight into why Narendra Modi is in power and keeps winning elections. It's not just because he's a nationalist who hates Muslims. There's a lot more to it (corruption of the Congress, elitism of the left, failures of Nehruvian secularism). Great podcast though! Love your channel.
They just see modi from a prism of NYT and WAPO and in Pakistan it’s pure Hindu phobia
Now Pakistani people know . They realize how modi is a blessing for India and curse for Pakistan
They know, they won’t do it. Its just intellectual dishonesty. Modi is here they say congress and nehru were better but listen to liberal pakistani argument before modi that nehru helped create pakistan jinnah used it as a barganing chip.
Thier argument will always be if muslim bad then hindu bad too
As I liberal myself I completely agree. Pakistani scholars can be a bit short-sighted about ghe internal dynamics of The Indian Right.
@@cauliflowerhead2735 many pakistani scholorsbonly said like tara sir, istiyaq ahmed historien said no one scholor know closely about india what happens and it's growth and all they only make perspective sitting in a room
Hindu Nationalists dont paint Muslims as outsiders.
They call Islam and other Abrahamic religions as outsider. IMO, they are right as far as the origins of the Abrahamic Faiths are concerned.
To add: They call the invaders like Lodhis, Tughlaqs, Mughals, and Afghans outsiders, which they were. Some of them were born in India (e.g. Mughals from Akbar), but Hindu nationalists consider them outsiders too, since those emperors never really considered themselves Indian. They followed the Turko-Persian traditions, spoke Turkish/Persian, installed mostly Turks & Persians to high posts and viewed the native people (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists & Jains) are subjugated people.
@@patmclaughlin107 what outsiders bought is their superiority mindset and believed best of spirituality was outside. Anyone who was inward focused is Indic. It's a miracle how it survived two genocidal cultures. That part adaptation of outsiders was survival mode. But there is nothing without that core, even if it is non homogeneous
Indian Constitution
Article 1(1) says, “India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States.”
Our country has been known as Bharat for thousands of years .
Like Turkey,we can apply to UN for a name change. Japan is nippon
Germany is deuteland, Russia is Rus. China is also cheen
This a very abrahamic idea that we the Bharatiya did not have science before mughals and British. Let's not limit ourselves to 1000 years of history but go beyond. This part of the world is as older as 50000 years
There was ice age even before 20000 years.
@29:10 I think there is intellectual dishonesty when he equates Nehru's India with Jinnah's Pakistan. Nehru's India was truly a liberal & secular country that did not differentiate people by their faith. It gave anyone the right to hold any office, regardless of their faith. Jinnah's Pakistan, on the other hand, was an Islamic republic, where the state religion was Islam. Jinnah may have said Hindus can be Hindus and Muslims can be Muslims in Pakistan, but their status was very clearly not the same in his Pakistan.
Even Hindus could not leave as Hindu in Pakistan. Because Islam is worst cult
Excellent discussion. Loved the openness of both the anchor and the guest. Historically, we all are one.
In Bharat, bengal, gujarat, odisha, maharashtra, karnataka, kerala, tamilnadu, andhra pradesh are states with their individual language. Our shared history of 10000 years is basis of Nationalism.We all are proud of our ancient rich history.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
You should add a disclaimer to absolutely not open this video until one has a pen and paper. Literally every sentence strikes you, either because you've never heard it before, is opposite to what you thought, or is so good that you just have to remember it for bringing it up next time. Lol, thanks for putting so much effort in to these podcasts. There is so much to unlearn and relearn, but with content like this, there's hope!✨
@@ThePakistanExperience Totally guilty of rewatching! And in that context, I'm already loving how you've divided the video this time. Would help a lot!
❤️ agreed
WAS THE INDIA ONE UNIT EARLIER OR BEFORE THE PARTITION AND CREATION OF THE PAKISTAN AND RULED BY ONE PARTY,TRIBE,HINDU OR THE MUSLIMS AND THE ENGLISH CAME AND BROKE THE UNITY OF THE INDIA AS POSED THAT THE INDIA LOST THE HINDUSTAN, PERHAPS IT LOOKS A BIASED NARRATIVE WITH HAVING THE DEEP ROOTED INTENTION OF KEEPING THE MUSLIMS AS THE SLAVES AND THE SHUDDERS AS THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE IN.
THE INDIA WAS NEVER RULED BY ONE AND ALWAYS REMAINED DIVIDED INTO MANY TRIBES.GROUPS,STATES WITH HAVING MANY TERRITORIES RUN AND MANGED BY THE HINDU OR THE MUSLIM RAJAS.
I THINK THE DIVIDE BY THE ENGLISH HAS HELPED THE INDIA TO BECOME A UNITED STATE OF MORE THAN 40 STATES AND ALSO AN INDEPENDENT.
HOWEVER, THE CREDIT OF BEING THE SECULAR STATE OF INDIA GOES TO THE GREATEST SCHOLAR,POLITICIAN AND A FAR SIGHTED LEADER JALAUDDIN MOHAMMAD AKBAR WHO PRACTICALLY PROVED IN BELIEVING IN SECULARISM THAT MEANT TO HAVE RESPECT AND A SECURED ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL THE BELIEFS.
AND LAST IF THE (HINDUS) DID HAVE ANY SORT OF MECHANISM TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH PEACE AND PROSPERITY,HARMONY AND ENSURING THE MAJORITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ECONOMIC JUSTICE AS THE EQUAL GENDERS WITH EQUAL RIGHTS THE UNITY OF THE INDIA WOULD NEVER BE BROKEN OR DIVIDED.
The author very conveniently starts in the 11th century when the first islamic state started in India. Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka lived in 4th and 3rd century BC. The author References Farishta throughout The lens is again islamic. (3:15)
And he starts with reference to Iqbal.very islamic colored view
His expertise is in the '1000-1800 CE' era. He is much better than other tbh.
@@abhinav5534 agreed. Much better.
Every one tries to write history to suit their agenda. For subcontinent muslims India started after invasion of ghazni. Good thing being in age of information propagandas can be busted. We are living in post truth world and biggest casualties of it is death of expertise. Almost no one takes any writer across the ideological spectrum seriously.
His book does not deal with the subject of Ancient India or the Mauryan Empire. The book deals with how indigenous histories were forgotten and replaced by a colonial interpretation of history, which robbed the people of the subcontinent of their agency.
I think you need to revaluate how you have understood the talk.
2:00:00 Can anyone actually actually articulate how RSS is a fascist organization ? And what has Modi done that goes against Indian pluralism ?
In any Pakistani discussion, these 2 details are intransigent. They are the bedrock of all further discussion. No one can actually say why it is so but those 2 details are beyond “contestation”.
Loving the segmention chapter wise
BTW love all the podcasts
Just listen and absorb deeply 😍
Interesting conversation, but I would like to talk about few points.
1. Hinduism as a word was coined much later, as original name of Religion is 'Sanatan Dharma'. Therefore Hindustan has nothing to do with Hindus.
2. Sarvarkar didn't trust Muslims due to the fact that 'he believed' that Muslims will always choose Religion over Nation, which was solidified during Khilafat Movement, which had nothing to do with Indian Muslims. And Turkish themselves wanted a liberal system.
3. On question of 'Hindutva' it's more of a reactionary movement. During 1920's with the rise of Muslim League, reactionary organization like Hindu Mahasabha were formed.
In 21st century, revival of Hindutva is due to appeasement politics of Congress System, which has it's genesis in Mandal- Kamandal era. Even Muslims rejected the Congress appeasement policy, as it didn't have any material upliftment.
Thank you for the timestamps
Guys, I just noticed that Dr. Ahmed’s been standing this whole time of the podcast. The dedication is really motivational!
I think we all did. He's a teacher and I believe conversations like this about their subjects energize them
@@sharmander9477 جب میں یونیورسٹی میں پڑھتا تھا تب ہمارا ایک پروفیسر ہمیشہ کھڑے ہوکر کلاس کے سامنے بولتے تھے، چونکہ انکی پیٹ میں بہت درد ہوتی تھی جب وہ کرسی مین بیٹھ تے تھے
And I just noticed his right hand nails. Did you?
Maybe the ISI paid him a visit, like all journalists in Pakistan. And he can't sit down anymore now?🤔
I'm his doctor he just did piles operation 😅
I found this channel after listening to an interview of ishtiag Ahmed with Arvind Saharan wherein he talked about ayesha jallal comment that he is not a historian . When I searched and found the interview of ayesha jallal, I watched the entire episode . Later I scrolled through all the episodes and found the range of topics discussed in this channel very exciting ! Kudos to the interviewer for bringing wide range of topics .Love from India ❤️
boy i am sold,
keep up this good work
grow the podcast and the conversations.
“Hindu” is an inhabitant of *Hindustan* irrespective of his religion, caste or creed…
“Hindustan” originally had a geographical connotation - from the Persian perspective - to denote "the land beyond the Sindhu"; the term wasn't coined to denote any religious meaning. The suffix "stan" - indicative of a geographical place - was added to form "Hindustan".
That's why the word "Hindu" doesn't appear in the four Vedas, the Upanishads and the Buddhist scriptures. Even Adi Shankaracharya - who is known to have revived "Hinduism" in the 8th century after centuries of Buddhism - didn't have the word "Hindu" in his vocabulary.
this is not entirely correct. in fact quite misleading no doubt the therm "Hindu" arose as a geographical reference, but that also happened to be the time when the geographical and the cultural coincided. all the multi-hued strands in the geographical area identified themselves as part of one over-arching cultural mileu.
this wasn't the case with the arrival of Islam in India. the native cultural mileu provided for every kind of religious experience. it could even have provided for the Islamic religious experience. but obviously such a situation would not square up with Islam's won grand vision and image of itself.
the people who were converted to Islam shared the geographical space, but no longer shared the culture.
in the early centuries, Islam was the rising power, and Hindustan the declining or stagnating power. power meant that Islam 's self image and it's description of Hindustan was at once validated. but that history was just the victor's history writing. you could write whatever you wanted about the vanquished. but now Islam doesn't have that much power and Hindustan is also no longer a declining or a stagnant power. but while power equations have changed, the self image has not vit continues to describe the Hindu mileu as one of darkness. which is not actually correct. hence the contradictions in the hindu- Muslim relations
Muslims do not know the name of our religion Sanatana Dharma
your name was given to you by your parents...you dont ACTUALLY exist, as per your rubbish logic.
@@vik8860 - you have no idea how shitty your argument is...
Is there a possibility of hindustan today ?
is the idea of hindustan still relevant?
What a literary conversation...worth watching lots of respect from India.🙏🙏
Really appreciate the work you are doing. This was very informative.
What a fabulous dialogue! Hi quality exploration of status quo, insecurity and intolerance define this deliberation. Astoundingly articulate this dialogue seeks to understand many maladies of colonial mindset.
Hindustan refers to the land beyond the Indus.The Persians' pronounciation of Sindhu was Hindu and hence Hindustan. There was no religion called Hinduism or Hindu.It was called Sananta Dharma.
yes.
WAS THE INDIA ONE UNIT EARLIER OR BEFORE THE PARTITION AND CREATION OF THE PAKISTAN AND RULED BY ONE PARTY,TRIBE,HINDU OR THE MUSLIMS AND THE ENGLISH CAME AND BROKE THE UNITY OF THE INDIA AS POSED THAT THE INDIA LOST THE HINDUSTAN, PERHAPS IT LOOKS A BIASED NARRATIVE WITH HAVING THE DEEP ROOTED INTENTION OF KEEPING THE MUSLIMS AS THE SLAVES AND THE SHUDDERS AS THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE IN.
THE INDIA WAS NEVER RULED BY ONE AND ALWAYS REMAINED DIVIDED INTO MANY TRIBES.GROUPS,STATES WITH HAVING MANY TERRITORIES RUN AND MANGED BY THE HINDU OR THE MUSLIM RAJAS.
I THINK THE DIVIDE BY THE ENGLISH HAS HELPED THE INDIA TO BECOME A UNITED STATE OF MORE THAN 40 STATES AND ALSO AN INDEPENDENT.
HOWEVER, THE CREDIT OF BEING THE SECULAR STATE OF INDIA GOES TO THE GREATEST SCHOLAR,POLITICIAN AND A FAR SIGHTED LEADER JALAUDDIN MOHAMMAD AKBAR WHO PRACTICALLY PROVED IN BELIEVING IN SECULARISM THAT MEANT TO HAVE RESPECT AND A SECURED ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL THE BELIEFS.
AND LAST IF THE (HINDUS) DID HAVE ANY SORT OF MECHANISM TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH PEACE AND PROSPERITY,HARMONY AND ENSURING THE MAJORITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ECONOMIC JUSTICE AS THE EQUAL GENDERS WITH EQUAL RIGHTS THE UNITY OF THE INDIA WOULD NEVER BE BROKEN OR DIVIDED.
AND IF THE ENGLISH DID IT WRONG WHY NOT THE INDIANS GET IT UNITED AND WIND UP DECADES OLD STRUGGLES OF INDEPENDENCE IN MORE THAN 8 STATES WITH HAVING KILLING OF MORE THAN A MILLION AND OTHER FINANCIAL LOSS.
THE STATES ARE BUILT OR ESTABLISHED ON THE PHILOSOPHY OF HAVING ACCESS TO JUSTICE TO EACH AND HAVE BEEN HEARD AND COUNTED FOR THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND IF NOT, THE GEOGRAPHIC BINDINGS CAN NOT KEEP THE PEOPLE UNITED AND IT IS THE MAIN ISSUE OF THE SOCIAL CONTRACT.
@@mcs106 why did German unification and Italian unification make sense to you. But, Indian rather Hindustan was never a unified kingdom in your eyes?. Mugals were a net negative for India. We are still suffering because of their acts today.
It is called sanatan dharma. We just want to be recognised easily by the world so just accept their term for us as hindu And it is "Bharat" , i'll accept it as hindustan n india for the understanding of others but bharat is the name of this country nothing else🙌
The closing comments on nation state is the best part of otherwise entirely fabulous podcasts. Even after it’s still topical and relevant and I hope more and more of us try to understand it better.
Great Podcast really. What a remarkable man Manan Asif is and he was standing all through the podcast. Hats off
Muslims forgot that their 'success' in previous centuries was based on loot, plunder and living off the efforts of Hindus. Muslims had little knowledge, skills and talents in any other fields. They mistakenly took it as their achievement when India's GDP was at the zenith when the real architects were Hindus. Left to themselves they melted down in a jiffy as they had no exportable talents and had only geographical location in which they had no contribution. Nations around Suez canal or Panama canal did not prosper just because of the trade route going through their land. Pakistan is no exception. CPEC will benefit only China but they will impose its cost on Pakistan. Not for nothing they are aspiring superpower. It will be convenient now for all neighbours to tear Pakistan into manageable pieces and negotiate their spheres of influence in the vassal nations. That will be the inevitable fate of Pakistan in the 21st century.
Have been watching all your sociopolitical podcasts. Absolutely loving them!
WAS THE INDIA ONE UNIT EARLIER OR BEFORE THE PARTITION AND CREATION OF THE PAKISTAN AND RULED BY ONE PARTY,TRIBE,HINDU OR THE MUSLIMS AND THE ENGLISH CAME AND BROKE THE UNITY OF THE INDIA AS POSED THAT THE INDIA LOST THE HINDUSTAN, PERHAPS IT LOOKS A BIASED NARRATIVE WITH HAVING THE DEEP ROOTED INTENTION OF KEEPING THE MUSLIMS AS THE SLAVES AND THE SHUDDERS AS THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE IN.
THE INDIA WAS NEVER RULED BY ONE AND ALWAYS REMAINED DIVIDED INTO MANY TRIBES.GROUPS,STATES WITH HAVING MANY TERRITORIES RUN AND MANGED BY THE HINDU OR THE MUSLIM RAJAS.
I THINK THE DIVIDE BY THE ENGLISH HAS HELPED THE INDIA TO BECOME A UNITED STATE OF MORE THAN 40 STATES AND ALSO AN INDEPENDENT.
HOWEVER, THE CREDIT OF BEING THE SECULAR STATE OF INDIA GOES TO THE GREATEST SCHOLAR,POLITICIAN AND A FAR SIGHTED LEADER JALAUDDIN MOHAMMAD AKBAR WHO PRACTICALLY PROVED IN BELIEVING IN SECULARISM THAT MEANT TO HAVE RESPECT AND A SECURED ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL THE BELIEFS.
AND LAST IF THE (HINDUS) DID HAVE ANY SORT OF MECHANISM TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH PEACE AND PROSPERITY,HARMONY AND ENSURING THE MAJORITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ECONOMIC JUSTICE AS THE EQUAL GENDERS WITH EQUAL RIGHTS THE UNITY OF THE INDIA WOULD NEVER BE BROKEN OR DIVIDED.
@@mcs106 In Abrahimic view unity or being one is destroying all ideas which are different or diverse. like in Arab there were more than one person who claimed to be prophet one of them was able to finish others because in their culture only one idea or ideology has to prevail by destroying others. On the other hand Indic religions can be diverse their idea of God, beliefs,way of worship or even idea of no god (Nastik) could live, survive or flourish togather. That's the reasons all parts of India appears to be different still today they are not centrally ruled and can never be until its whole population converts to Abrahimic religions.
@@rnk6590 that's so wrong. Tawhid (unity of being) does not need to 'destroy' anything because unity is inherent to everything. Hindu advaita vedantic teachings formulated this long before the Abrahamic religions appeared on the scene. Unity in multiplicity is the whole point of tawhid and then inevitably, because man's lower nature craves to see itself reflected in creation as 'god' or anthropomorphises the ineffable, that the worship of many deities comes into play. Then the whole cycle begins again. Man's consciousness is inherently evolving to unity consciousness.
For Dharmic civilizations like Indian, Chinese, Persian and even African & Pacific God esp One God is alien construct. This God is not same as native Devta, Principle or Deity. Human need multiple principles like earth, water, Vayu, Akash/space for existence. Pooja is being One with these principles and giving birth/Ja to them within oneself and making them grow to Poornatva/Universal. One God, One Last prophet, his one slave manual book is all for creating enslaving and colonial evil empires for one khalifa, one vaticunning Pope, BriShit Queen and now One Fiat Currency 💲.
@@rnk6590 ur correct.
Appreciating the quest of digging deeper..
All pakistanis consider RSS as fascist, but do not consider the muslim league as fascist. Are they really different. each one stands for its principles. the sooner you guys realize that Pakistan itself is fascist, with its non muslim agenda, and then decide to reverse itself, the better it is for pakistan. can you be islamic without being fascist?
My friend I have understood one thing from this talk that is: to these people idia of india is the one that needed to be wiped from the psyche of this who converted out. The whole discussion of what Hindustan was doesn't include what it was actually. You have barely a history of 400 to 500 years. What about previous 3000 years? What about myriad of religions and languages this region had? I feel really sad that someone would hate everything of this land that gave buddha, mohavir or for that matter Gandhi (I dont count him in same league but he was a good person).
No wonder they are suffering now. This was the only obvious culmination that could have happened when you reject what is natural and the beauty that man gas accumulated inside over thousands of years. A man who is not Arab nor of this subcontinent. You can't hate the air that you breathe.
@@PS-ej2xn non Muslim extremist! What is that. Please explain that! Details matter! Who? How? What? is required.
Similarly I have friend who went to mars and he met aliens there.
Islam has wiped out Egypt history
Islam has wiped out central ssian history. Afghanistan history. They have wiped all preoslamic history of arabia, Iran, Iraq. They try in India, and fail. They try in China,and fail. They try in Indonesia,and fail. They try in Pakistan, and fail
How will Pakistani children understand why they are Muslims but live in India,not arabia? How their grandparents speak punjabi, not arabic?
Going to listen for the second time now. My brain took too long to process this much info compressed in 2 hours.
Thank you TPE.
This is probably a Pakistani point of view Hindustan had a flourishing secular culture and in today India through dominant Hindus all religion are living peacefully. The so called religious minorities are rich and powerful and many have integrated well. There can be no comparison between India and Pakistan
Both culturally different.
Pakistan tried to copy saudia. Saudia copies west,india. Pakistan lost what it had to , gain what it didn't have . Lost both. Now cultureless. Now directionless
Now friendless
Your podcast has become a virtual hangout for people across the subcontinent, you are helping in reclaiming the idea of Hindustan once again and in a new way!
Reclaiming for whom exactly? Please keep this shit ideas back in pakistan only. We are happy with idea of Bharat and India.
One of the best discussions I have heard after a long time
Thank you
Long live the Thinkers
I have enjoyed this interview so much! Alhamdulilah! dear respected brother, keep this excellent work up! Peace, love and light to you from Ireland.
Bhai faltu baatein btaya hai.
Two nation theory sawarkar ne nahi diya tha.
Khud se padho
I am from India but I greatly appreciate what you are doing for its quality and factuality without regional bias.
Hindustan is a land of agnostics not believers .. constant enquiry is our strength & our identity .. We the youth having this quest of truth is what makes us 'HINDUSTAN' .. no religion has power to bind us to dogmas for too long .. we will rise and make truth & seeking our ultimate attainment
We are mostly seekers and skeptics. Not really agnostics. We already realized that God cannot be defined by men as he is infinite beyond our grasp. But we will continue to seek to understand him. This is in contrast to Abrahamic faith system, and is going to be constant fault line. The accommodation is mostly Hindu accommodation. Only in recent times western world is accommodating dharmic philosophies.
That's Hinduism, only Hinduism gives you that freedom to question gods (see Gita)...
Idk why you guys want to use ideas of Hinduism and superimpose it on the subcontinent removing Hinduism?
The story this author tells at around 1.12, that king was a Hindu king, and I think its time people give credit for the tolerance and respect that Hindu king showed without removing his Hindu-ness.
WAS THE INDIA ONE UNIT EARLIER OR BEFORE THE PARTITION AND CREATION OF THE PAKISTAN AND RULED BY ONE PARTY,TRIBE,HINDU OR THE MUSLIMS AND THE ENGLISH CAME AND BROKE THE UNITY OF THE INDIA AS POSED THAT THE INDIA LOST THE HINDUSTAN, PERHAPS IT LOOKS A BIASED NARRATIVE WITH HAVING THE DEEP ROOTED INTENTION OF KEEPING THE MUSLIMS AS THE SLAVES AND THE SHUDDERS AS THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE IN.
THE INDIA WAS NEVER RULED BY ONE AND ALWAYS REMAINED DIVIDED INTO MANY TRIBES.GROUPS,STATES WITH HAVING MANY TERRITORIES RUN AND MANGED BY THE HINDU OR THE MUSLIM RAJAS.
I THINK THE DIVIDE BY THE ENGLISH HAS HELPED THE INDIA TO BECOME A UNITED STATE OF MORE THAN 40 STATES AND ALSO AN INDEPENDENT.
HOWEVER, THE CREDIT OF BEING THE SECULAR STATE OF INDIA GOES TO THE GREATEST SCHOLAR,POLITICIAN AND A FAR SIGHTED LEADER JALAUDDIN MOHAMMAD AKBAR WHO PRACTICALLY PROVED IN BELIEVING IN SECULARISM THAT MEANT TO HAVE RESPECT AND A SECURED ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL THE BELIEFS.
AND LAST IF THE (HINDUS) DID HAVE ANY SORT OF MECHANISM TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH PEACE AND PROSPERITY,HARMONY AND ENSURING THE MAJORITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ECONOMIC JUSTICE AS THE EQUAL GENDERS WITH EQUAL RIGHTS THE UNITY OF THE INDIA WOULD NEVER BE BROKEN OR DIVIDED.
Shehzad, one of your very best discussions. Thank you!
Loved this. This was Sooooo good. God bless you both.
Amazing podcast actually, pretty informative!
People keep mocking you about your comedy on Twitter. But one thing is for sure, conversation comes natural to you. I listen to almost every podcast, I would say you and Muzamil both are winning this Podcast game in Pakistan. You are the on the right track, keep doing the good work.
`Thanks, Manan Ahmed sa'b! Thought stirring & beautiful, Both.
This guy will not last one hour before Dr. Anand Raghanathan, J Sai Deepak or Vikram Sampath
I feel like a homeless child peaking through the window of a fancy private school and being fascinated 🥲
I can feel that
This was a gem, as most of the podcasts on your channel. Please continue this kind of conversations so that people in your region get some thoughtful insights about our past, present and future.
Fantastic discussion..i am from India but I want to more this like discussion in future. Go ahead..
Around 35.00, the learned guest mentions Shah Alam 2, one of the last Mughals. It brings back memories of school... 'The Great Shah Alam, whose realm extended from Delhi to Palam' ... Every time i'm around Delhi's domestic airport (Palam), it brings a smile..Great episode, listening for the second time, and learning more than the first time. Shehzad is officially my favourite Pakistani now. It was Sheikh Rasheed 'Sheeda Talli' earlier 😝
So sad you guys are not taught about Ashoka, Buddha, Chaulas,Cheras and so on
The 'Mazhab' is 'Sanatan'. The word 'Hindu' is a civilisational term denoting the people who belong to the region presently including Pakistan, Bharat, Nepal, Bhutan and Srilanka
Sikh from India. Love this real and true talk.
The closing beach on New Year's comment hit deep... the New Year commotion of the beach was disastrous for people living near by. Was really glad they closed it down.
point is why are people living near the beach? because its not like everywhere there's a beach in any country. These places should be treated as public places and should be maintained as such. When loud marriages that goes on for days in cities themselves dont bother anyone, why is treating a beach like a beach does?
Mughals were themselves colonizers..this guy is sofisticated version of Zaid Hamid.. with Garwa e hind fantasy
Pakistan is under gazwa by Afghanistan
His prediction at the end of podcast about Climate Change is really thought provoking. Don't know what the future holds for our region. Hopefully we can bury the bitterness of past and look forward to a better future.
@Labhesh Haria Not reuniting as a common country but accepting the differences and moving forward to eradicate existential problems.
@@mohdbilalabbasi We can't, too much bloodshed. Just think how many wars our countries has fought and soliders died from that. Those soliders had kids, parents, wives and when somebody lose their loved ones the sadness always remain in their minds thought their lives, and when they have a whole country to blame for it they can't help but hate that country. People like you and me (who haven't lost their loved ones through war) have no dog in the fight we will preach about peace and harmony, but peace and harmony isn't about us it's about those people who have lost their loved ones and forgiving the other country is near impossible for them because these are deep psychological wounds which can't be healed quite easily.
Your best session Shahzad. It's 3.30 am and I am listening. Office tomorrow.
I'm getting addicted to watching your vblog because of your pure balanced analysis.
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Thank you so much for this episode. This is such a good interview, I learnt so much from it. Its just a treasure trove of knowledge. You guys could have talked for 2 more hours and I would have listened. Only request (if possible of course): Is it possible to have English subs with it? some of my non-urdu speaking friends would love to listen too. After all it is a rare Pakistani perspective on South Asian history and decolonization.
@@ThePakistanExperience No promises but I will look in to it
I Appreciate you for doing something unusual in Pakistan.
So, I request you to do a podcast with Sindhi intellectuals; (Jami Chandio, Shafqat Kadri, Masroor Shah and others) on any topic, you think suitable.❤️🙏
Excellent conclusion ...clearing the picture thoroughly ...
Thanks for such a lovely effort
Just to add to the conversation, Hindustan isn't an official name for India, when the name was decided "Hindustan" was avioded because it was believed to refer to north India or the hindi heartland. The official names of India is, "India" and "Bharat" (named after a king who ruled almost all of India, this term is used to refer India in most indian languages). And constitution describes India as a union of states. Just like India is an anglo name, Hindustan is also persian, same stands for hindus, which is persian, hindus never defined themselves as a religion, which was again a colonial construct.
So what then is the name Hindus give to their religion in Hindi itself?
@@fatimariaz5432 that's the core hinduism is not a religion... it's way of life ...the core ideals are of sanatan dharma.. through which one can go in any direction of his spiritual journey... that's how mahavir went .. that's how buddha went.. that's how sikh gurus went..
You would happy to know that a book is written in English on DaraShiku is translated into Sindhi by Shafqat Kadri.
Just finished this one.
Love you Manan Sb.
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Love You Shehzad.
For this wonderful podcast !!!
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Bring people to your podcast, who believe in peace between India & Pakistan in general & our South of Asia in particular. Climate change is for real. We have to realize before it is too late. I would like to see the following on your channel:
Raj Mohan Gandhi
Professor/Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed
Pervaiz Hoodbhai
Barkha Dutt
Dr. Ayesha Siddiqua
Mani Shankar Aayar
Surendar Kulkarni
Wussat Ullah Khan
Akbar Zaidi
Tariq Ali
Or any peacemaker
I don't really mind even if it's an overkill because our national television is churning out hate all the time.
So keep up the good work.
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More power to you Shehzad !!!
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This is such a great conversation
Love your podcasts... Keep it up bro
WAS THE INDIA ONE UNIT EARLIER OR BEFORE THE PARTITION AND CREATION OF THE PAKISTAN AND RULED BY ONE PARTY,TRIBE,HINDU OR THE MUSLIMS AND THE ENGLISH CAME AND BROKE THE UNITY OF THE INDIA AS POSED THAT THE INDIA LOST THE HINDUSTAN, PERHAPS IT LOOKS A BIASED NARRATIVE WITH HAVING THE DEEP ROOTED INTENTION OF KEEPING THE MUSLIMS AS THE SLAVES AND THE SHUDDERS AS THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THERE IN.
THE INDIA WAS NEVER RULED BY ONE AND ALWAYS REMAINED DIVIDED INTO MANY TRIBES.GROUPS,STATES WITH HAVING MANY TERRITORIES RUN AND MANGED BY THE HINDU OR THE MUSLIM RAJAS.
I THINK THE DIVIDE BY THE ENGLISH HAS HELPED THE INDIA TO BECOME A UNITED STATE OF MORE THAN 40 STATES AND ALSO AN INDEPENDENT.
HOWEVER, THE CREDIT OF BEING THE SECULAR STATE OF INDIA GOES TO THE GREATEST SCHOLAR,POLITICIAN AND A FAR SIGHTED LEADER JALAUDDIN MOHAMMAD AKBAR WHO PRACTICALLY PROVED IN BELIEVING IN SECULARISM THAT MEANT TO HAVE RESPECT AND A SECURED ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL THE BELIEFS.
AND LAST IF THE (HINDUS) DID HAVE ANY SORT OF MECHANISM TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH PEACE AND PROSPERITY,HARMONY AND ENSURING THE MAJORITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ECONOMIC JUSTICE AS THE EQUAL GENDERS WITH EQUAL RIGHTS THE UNITY OF THE INDIA WOULD NEVER BE BROKEN OR DIVIDED.
AND IF THE ENGLISH DID IT WRONG WHY NOT THE INDIANS GET IT UNITED AND WIND UP DECADES OLD STRUGGLES OF INDEPENDENCE IN MORE THAN 8 STATES WITH HAVING KILLING OF MORE THAN A MILLION AND OTHER FINANCIAL LOSS.
THE STATES ARE BUILT OR ESTABLISHED ON THE PHILOSOPHY OF HAVING ACCESS TO JUSTICE TO EACH AND HAVE BEEN HEARD AND COUNTED FOR THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND IF NOT, THE GEOGRAPHIC BINDINGS CAN NOT KEEP THE PEOPLE UNITED AND IT IS THE MAIN ISSUE OF THE SOCIAL CONTRACT.
A lingua franca is a language systematically used to make communication possible between people not sharing a first language, in particular when it is a third language, distinct from both speakers' first languages. Examples of lingua francas are numerous, and exist on every continent.
sure but treating your own language as foul language is just weird
@@suhridguha2560 Communicating through a lingua franca is not the same as treating one's mother tongue as inferior/"foul". One can speak the lingua franca or the mother tongue depending upon the context in which one is located; however, labelling a lingua franca such as Urdu as a "colonizer's language" is factually wrong because it developed in the Indian subcontinent. The label also smacks of hatred for the Urdu-speaking community which migrated from India to Pakistan at the time of partition.
@@asmasiddiqi1 I am from India and my mother tongue is bangla. But I am fluent in Hindi and English as well. I just feel it's a shame that they don't teach Punjabi in Pakistan where most of them are Punjabis. Which stems from the process of otherizing their own language and culture as it is seen as something non islamic. I have a lot of friends from lukhnow who are Hindus but they speak Urdu. Just saying identity is more than just religion.
@A SIDDIQUI Urdu literally means Turkish Army Tent or Camp. It is a language which was imposed. Last time it was imposed on Bangalese which ended in genocide if 3 Million Bangalis (mostly Hindu), gang rapes and sexual slavery of 450,000 Bangali females and uprooting of of 11 Million Bangalis who had to flee to India for saving their own lives.
Lingua franca etc sounds very cool and erudite - 10/10 marks for your Angrezi test!
Is it possible to have a list of all the books the speaker mentioned on colonization history listed in description?
We need to relearn and pass this on
I started the podcast with hope of a enlightened discussion from across the border on a shared past. The mention of Savarkar and sort of pinning the 1947 events to him sort of fizzled my expectations.Savarkar was at periphery in the mindsets of his contemporary Indians/Hindus.one can argue he continous to be so even today as people who use his ideas don't eulogise him too much as there isn't much there to be gained even from them.the box office state of the movie made on his life stands testament to this fact. It is really the social media warriors who keep him afloat.the loss of Hindustan can be attributed to the sole fighter with a typewriter-Mr Jinnah.
Hi PX,
Absolutely amazing! One of the best episodes. :)
Your questions were so to-the-point! Worth spending every second.
I don't know if you read my questions on the post you put up day before yesterday on your YT Community, but thank you for covering all of them. :D
Untill next time!
Thanks!
Keep up the good work, bhai! :)
This was simply brilliant and last 10 mins shook me. Another priceless history course - can’t be thankful enough to the Pakistan experience team. May all of you always be protected.
Great conversation. Very insightful. I am an American of Indian origin. Please ignore hindutva comments. They like to hear everything from their narrow lens. We should encourage diversity of thought as well because the perspectives are influenced by the environment. This is one way to learn different POV, respect cultural diversity and build stronger relationships.
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Excellent discussion, but it has to be listened with an open mind. Open mind where all the possibilities are available. Ultra nationalist, religious extremists cannot have an open mind. I was born in India. ❤🙏Excellent history scholar with an open and honest mind.
He on one side saying what British did on morning and night should be taken into account but he didn't want to question what Aurangazeb did on morning and night..Aurangazeb is a turk, definetely a outsider, why different standard for him...
I think you should listen to the podcast again brother.
@@niveditam6444 may be you should.. you may be Aurangazeb sympathizer iam not..
Indians will decide for themselves what we want. We are not slave to any outside idea. We Indians of today will write the future. Because we have the power. We have the money,vision. Saudia ,india,China are going to write Asian history.
This comment comes about two years late, but this has to be one of my favorite videos on UA-cam. I particularly loved the point where the guest said that we don't need a lingua franca. India's had these long-running debates about the imposition of Hindi. Thankfully, unlike Pakistan's experience with Urdu, India has not officially stuck with Hindi or any other one language. I am a North-Indian Hindi-speaker, but I have always argued against many of my brethren from the North. We don't need ONE common language. Different languages can serve different purposes in different cases. Numerical strength or political imposition can't decide in favor of or against a language (or culinary customs and other cultural elements).
Okay, my momentary rant is over. What a wonderful discussion, which everyone from the subcontinent, and not just Pakistan or India, should watch.
Are you crazy ? Which country of soo many languages don't have a common language? How will you understand a person from other states otherwise?
If your answer is English then please that's enough to show your colonial mentality.
Go and listen to Jai Sai Deepak for clarity.
These people are morphing the history by cherry picking facts.
Angrezi ka gulami chal rahi hai . padhe likhe anglicised murkho me english ko lingua Franca banaya hua Hai
India that is Bharat(not hindustan) is a wounded civilization, and the wound has now become a festering sore. India needs a good surgeon now.
Very enlightening experience
Sapta Sindhu is called hapta hindu in Farsi. India calls itself Bharat now. Mostly Muslims call it hindustan because this word stan whose root is Sanskrit sthan (place) is how many modern day Central Asian countries are named. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan.
Islam changed these vedic countries into Islamic. Their old sanskrit culture lost in time. Sanskrit is their root too. They should research their roots. No people ,culture called pakki.. rest are a people. Pakki is a people? They are bhartiya too. Speaking,
eating our food
Replying to the "Nationalism" portion, In Pakistan we can and have been finding solace in our culture of the Sufi saints like Bulleh Shah and Bhittai for values of pluralism, coexistence and secular critique within a religious framework until we develop an environment where we could directly fight without relying on religion. Then again this can only come by decolonization of Urdu and reconnection with Punjabi, Pashto, Balcho, Sindhi, Saraiki etc,.
You can have many sources of solace if you unlearn the history you were taught in Pakistan Studies, for example the likes of Porus who stood up to Alexander, Guru Nanak, Maharaja Ranjit Singh, Sir Ganga Ram , Vhagat Singh, etc.
Enlightening Conversation 🙏❣️
just for your information shehzad, in india we have never been disconnected from past, our history, religion is 5000 years old. how can we disconnect. every temple, cave drawing has a history
23:10 Except Pan-Islamism and the concept of Ummah, which is absent in Christianity, isn't a Colonially created concept. Unlike Christians who read the Bible in their native language, Muslims have to do it in Arabic. So, I don't think this comment by the Prof. is very accurate. I find Islam to be inherently political. I am open to any comments which want to tell me if I am wrong and help me understand this better.
Edit: The host brings this up in the next section.
Christians don't call British as their hero or ancestors. Its not seen as christian rule but as British rule. Indian Christians are hundred percent bhartiya. Food, dress, language, politics, names, they have no confusion. They are Indians. Muslims have deliberately confused themselves. Uzbek rulers are seen as Muslim rulers. Why not Uzbek rulers? Will Pakistan welcome Uzbek rulers as brothers because they are Muslims? Then accept Afghans as your rulers. Why fighting TTP? Put sharia. Make sharia as constitution.
Stumbled upon this channel and I am so happy that I did. I love the topics being discussed and the panel of erudite scholars we get to hear. Kudos to you how well researched the interviewer is so as to bring out the best out of his scholars. At the very end I do want to reinforce that yes there are voices still loud and strong who speak for an India that should and I pray will always remain secular in the truest sense. Wishing you the very best from India.
I don't understand how a conversation on decoloniality can honestly take place without talking about Islamic coloniality. And if you are cognizant of Islamic coloniality, what makes you cling to such an identity?
How am I getting this for free?? Thank youu
I am an UPSC aspirant and i think now i am never gonna pass my exams .
Brilliant podcast. I learned a lot!
Love the conversation as always bro ❤❤❤ I am addicted to u
Don't switch ever and ever, I'll be a very critique to u bcz I have learned the skills of analysis from u too. 🎉
Our constitution Calls us India or bharat not hindustan.
Honestly after a couple of years of reading diverse books and watching videos from all parts of the spectrum of opinion, i am so confused about what Pakistan stands for.
Pakistan in its current form stands for seeking parity with anything India. Identity complex. A nation which wants to disown its original past and claim a fake story believing in the idiom, telling lies repeatedly make false, the Truth.
@@mylord3003 beautiful
@@AdityaKumar-rj2uf they stand for the worst of Humanity and Indian Constitution
@@AdityaKumar-rj2uf same bro.
They stand for freeloaders and by freeloaders.
They exist to serve the feudal system
Little technical, but really good if you can understand👍
new prespective meaning of hindustan, nice information
I am watching it six months after the recording and nothing gave me more hope than the assertion that the plurality here ( India) still exists and will. It is now six months after but I am going to believe it’s still true. If it’s not, don’t tell me! 😁