@Ishtiaq Ahmed It is interesting history - A Cabinet Mission came to India in 1946 in order to discuss the transfer of power from the British government to the Indian political leadership, with the aim of preserving India's unity and granting its independence - it was a *joint India proposal* of Britain (although before 1947, India was already divided into multiple independent princely states as each state had its own currency, military and independent governmental system) joint India proposal that was offered when Nehru on behalf of Gandhi Jee rejected the prime offer proposed to Indian leadership. As Nehru jee wanted to eat the whole pie, Cabinet Mission prime offer was rejected along with the lame excuses. That Mr. Jinnah accepted -- Question is who refused that prime offer of Joint India initially that Britain offered ?? Pakistan still part of Communist China and ready to give access to them so called "warm water" theory The fact is till 1947 India was not "Joint India" in true sense -- already divided into multiple independent princely states btw, *now socialist or leftist India is in the hands of Capitalist, not Socialist - Ready to fight on behalf of Capitalist and Imperialist US and UK against the interest of Communist Russia and Communist China*
I'm an Indian and this conversation was so nice to watch. Aftab Iqbal and Ishtiaq Ahmed are so respectful and thorough gentlemen. This is how political discussions should be like. Not like the ones in India where they keep on wanking and whining.
I would like to say thanks to Aftab Ahmad for conducting an informative and valuable interview of Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed sb. This was very interactive and eye opener session indeed. Thank you ❤️
Shukriya Aftab Iqbal sahab, you brought for us a memorable, invaluable and a historical eye opner episode. Please convey my deepest gratitude and heart-felt thanks to respected Dr. Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed Saheb. Thanks both of you once again. May Allah bless you with good health and long life. Aameen.
@Ishtiaq Ahmed It is interesting history - A Cabinet Mission came to India in 1946 in order to discuss the transfer of power from the British government to the Indian political leadership, with the aim of preserving India's unity and granting its independence - it was a *joint India proposal* of Britain (although before 1947, India was already divided into multiple independent princely states as each state had its own currency, military and independent governmental system) joint India proposal that was offered when Nehru on behalf of Gandhi Jee rejected the prime offer proposed to Indian leadership. As Nehru jee wanted to eat the whole pie, Cabinet Mission prime offer was rejected along with the lame excuses. That Mr. Jinnah accepted -- Question is who refused that prime offer of Joint India initially that Britain offered ?? Pakistan still part of Communist China and ready to give access to them so called "warm water" theory The fact is till 1947 India was not "Joint India" in true sense -- already divided into multiple independent princely states btw, *now socialist or leftist India is in the hands of Capitalist, not Socialist - Ready to fight on behalf of Capitalist and Imperialist US and UK against the interest of Communist Russia and Communist China*
@@appleoranges9772 You seem to be carrying out your Cabinet Mission Plan Jihad everywhere. Leave it to Pakistan Studies historians and get some well+earned rest.:)
(from India) Edit: watching in Feb 2021. Thanks to both of you for this insightful dialogue. Content is so enriching that I watched both episodes (1&2) in one go. This video came as youtube suggestion while I was watching Dr Parvez & Dr Ishtiaq conversation. I watched many documentaries n read (college) books on history of 1940s India , none was so clear n crisp. [ I watch (Dr) Aftab Iqbal loose cannon, open mic and Khabardar ] they are really encaptivating.
Dr Ishtiyaaq Ahmad is highly intellectual person and good human being , he has rightly said we should live peacefully as good neighbors only then our countries can grow economically as a strong nation priority should be public interest eduction health and financial status of the citizens, sir I admire your political thoughts, regards from Punjab India 🇮🇳
Asif sahib, Dr Istiaq Ahmed is one of the most reliable historian in contemporary time in the subcontinent. Pl revive Punjabiat in true sense and then to build Indo Pak people to people contact. We can be a major economic force. I respect your honesty and integrity towards your profession and Dialogue with History is one of the best program. Regards
19:35 The real reasons behind the first ever partitioning bloodshed happened in and around Rawalpindi, which is a garrison town of British's. This incident ignited the punjab. Britishers played a dirty game with the help of criminal minded locals to start the never ending conflicts between indo- pak.
@@Iam6528-y8u The rift was not just between Muslims and Hindus. The rift was between Muslims and all non-Muslims, who were wrongly categorized as being "Hindus". This rift was created over the years by Syed Ahmed, Mohammad Iqbal, and later, Jinnah to consolidate muslim votes and secure special privileges to Muslim politicians. This strategy back-fired and resulted in partition
Dr. Ishtiaq ahmed saahb... And Aftaab Iqbaal saahb... I am from. India.. And. Big fan of you..... Specially DR. Ishtiaq saahb.... Aap ke programs bilkul unbiased hote hain.. Bilkul clear... Thnaks FROM INDIA.. to both of you
One of the best discussion I have ever listened on sensitive issues with utter honesty. I can never ever imagined such honesty in present india. Kudos to anchor and dr. Isthiaq ahmed a very learned and honest person. Lies and deceit to self leads to destruction , honesty brings acceptance of our self with totality. Thanks to pakistani media for such beautiful program. Love from an indian
It is staggeringly eye-opening that when two intelligent persons converse in a quiet and academic environment, what facts get revealed impassionately. As an Indian I am gobsmacked at the granular events that have led to the country being partitioned and their current state of relationships.
Very relevant and informative discussions. We came to know first time. Pls continue and also unfold who were and are responsible. Dr Ishtiaq do you suggest some eradicate measures.
Bhot hee molomat say bhara pgrm .Sun kar sub game ki samj aa gai.Aesay hum log hindu muslm ka rona rotay hain . Mae shru say is bat ka qayal hon k yeah sub angrez ki sazish ti aaj saboot bhi mil gay Shukria Aftab shb
Whatever Professor Sahib is saying can't be challenged, but the interests of politicians, Generals and Bureaucrats as institutions and personnel are enormous, and these suggestions can't be implemented.
'Muslims are never grateful to those who do good to them,' says Pakistani-Swedish academic in a talk on Partition of India kbforyou.blogspot.com/2018/10/muslims-are-never-grateful-to-those-who.html
Dr ishtiaq Ahmed saab God bless you for giving history in its original format 🙏 to society for both sides of border 👍 salute to you from India 🇮🇳 sir
@Ishtiaq Ahmed It is interesting history - A Cabinet Mission came to India in 1946 in order to discuss the transfer of power from the British government to the Indian political leadership, with the aim of preserving India's unity and granting its independence - it was a *joint India proposal* of Britain (although before 1947, India was already divided into multiple independent princely states as each state had its own currency, military and independent governmental system) joint India proposal that was offered when Nehru on behalf of Gandhi Jee rejected the prime offer proposed to Indian leadership. As Nehru jee wanted to eat the whole pie, Cabinet Mission prime offer was rejected along with the lame excuses. That Mr. Jinnah accepted -- Question is who refused that prime offer of Joint India initially that Britain offered ??
Pakistan still part of Communist China and ready to give access to them so called "warm water" theory
The fact is till 1947 India was not "Joint India" in true sense -- already divided into multiple independent princely states
btw, *now socialist or leftist India is in the hands of Capitalist, not Socialist - Ready to fight on behalf of Capitalist and Imperialist US and UK against the interest of Communist Russia and Communist China*
I'm an Indian and this conversation was so nice to watch. Aftab Iqbal and Ishtiaq Ahmed are so respectful and thorough gentlemen. This is how political discussions should be like. Not like the ones in India where they keep on wanking and whining.
❤
Dr Ishtiaq ahmad is an intellectual person, I wish that he would have been interviewed by someone with the same intellect
Abbas Haider did a great job with dr ishtiaq if you watch his channel
@@scofatscof3521 sir, I was referring to Aftab iqbal
yes
I am Pakistan studies student in 5th semester from jahanzeeb college swat. Dr ishtiaq Ahmad is my favorite professor I studying in his books.
Then tell to your students reshtyaa also
Don't teach the real Pakistan studied as we studeide In our childhood
happy to know our
I would like to say thanks to Aftab Ahmad for conducting an informative and valuable interview of Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed sb. This was very interactive and eye opener session indeed. Thank you ❤️
Wonderful session with Dr sb!!!
Shukriya Aftab Iqbal sahab, you brought for us a memorable, invaluable and a historical eye opner episode. Please convey my deepest gratitude and heart-felt thanks to respected Dr. Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed Saheb. Thanks both of you once again. May Allah bless you with good health and long life. Aameen.
@Ishtiaq Ahmed It is interesting history - A Cabinet Mission came to India in 1946 in order to discuss the transfer of power from the British government to the Indian political leadership, with the aim of preserving India's unity and granting its independence - it was a *joint India proposal* of Britain (although before 1947, India was already divided into multiple independent princely states as each state had its own currency, military and independent governmental system) joint India proposal that was offered when Nehru on behalf of Gandhi Jee rejected the prime offer proposed to Indian leadership. As Nehru jee wanted to eat the whole pie, Cabinet Mission prime offer was rejected along with the lame excuses. That Mr. Jinnah accepted -- Question is who refused that prime offer of Joint India initially that Britain offered ??
Pakistan still part of Communist China and ready to give access to them so called "warm water" theory
The fact is till 1947 India was not "Joint India" in true sense -- already divided into multiple independent princely states
btw, *now socialist or leftist India is in the hands of Capitalist, not Socialist - Ready to fight on behalf of Capitalist and Imperialist US and UK against the interest of Communist Russia and Communist China*
@@appleoranges9772 You seem to be carrying out your Cabinet Mission Plan Jihad everywhere. Leave it to Pakistan Studies historians and get some well+earned rest.:)
@@PS-ej2xn loser you have wasted 20 yrs for nothing without analytical skills just you wasted time reading crap in the name of history
what is his address
(from India) Edit: watching in Feb 2021.
Thanks to both of you for this insightful dialogue. Content is so enriching that I watched both episodes (1&2) in one go.
This video came as youtube suggestion while I was watching Dr Parvez & Dr Ishtiaq conversation.
I watched many documentaries n read (college) books on history of 1940s India , none was so clear n crisp.
[ I watch (Dr) Aftab Iqbal loose cannon, open mic and Khabardar ] they are really encaptivating.
This mr. Iqbal always keep on talking about Khalistan on his bullshit show with a guy who doesn’t even look like a sikh
I live in Britain for past 50 years and am stauch watcher of your programmes. I consider you as my Guru. Regards. Siddhartha
U have kept ghamdi sbs pic ? Any particular reason
Dr. Istiahq Ahamad is Always excellent in erudite study of History. We learning history from Respected Dr istiahq Ahamad sir. Thank you🙏🙏🙏🙏
Dr Ishtiyaaq Ahmad is highly intellectual person and good human being , he has rightly said we should live peacefully as good neighbors only then our countries can grow economically as a strong nation priority should be public interest eduction health and financial status of the citizens, sir I admire your political thoughts, regards from Punjab India 🇮🇳
oh a cool breeze of reality, thanks to you Mr. Aftab Iqbal and bundle of gratitude to Sir Ishtiaq Ahmad for taking time to share this information.
Ye video boht informative thi. Is se zyada informative video maine aaj tak nhi dekha.
Dr. Aftab Iqbal Thank you for inviting Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed for Historical discussion. His every word is History.
Asif sahib, Dr Istiaq Ahmed is one of the most reliable historian in contemporary time in the subcontinent. Pl revive Punjabiat in true sense and then to build Indo Pak people to people contact. We can be a major economic force. I respect your honesty and integrity towards your profession and Dialogue with History is one of the best program. Regards
Puniabiat revive hoga Pakistan Mei ,Tere ko chain milega Kyu bhai.begani Shaadi Mei Abdullah deewana.
Abe Tuchiye , tu chala ja Punjabiyat aur wahan ja ker Punjabiyat majboot ker . Sur Tan se Juda ker denge tera wahan pe BoseDK
19:35 The real reasons behind the first ever partitioning bloodshed happened in and around Rawalpindi, which is a garrison town of British's. This incident ignited the punjab. Britishers played a dirty game with the help of criminal minded locals to start the never ending conflicts between indo- pak.
@@tahirkhurshid8828 Thank you for suggestion.
@@tahirkhurshid8828 you are real British agent, Qadyani.
The British could have never created differences if not for Jinnah and his ML! So it is not the British who should really be blamed.
@@globalcitizen1856 British only exploited the crunch situation. Obviously there was great rift between Hindu and Muslims.
@@Iam6528-y8u The rift was not just between Muslims and Hindus. The rift was between Muslims and all non-Muslims, who were wrongly categorized as being "Hindus". This rift was created over the years by Syed Ahmed, Mohammad Iqbal, and later, Jinnah to consolidate muslim votes and secure special privileges to Muslim politicians. This strategy back-fired and resulted in partition
Dr. Ahmad, you are an angel and helpful in this time.
Dr. Ishtiaq ahmed saahb... And Aftaab Iqbaal saahb... I am from. India.. And. Big fan of you..... Specially DR. Ishtiaq saahb.... Aap ke programs bilkul unbiased hote hain.. Bilkul clear... Thnaks FROM INDIA.. to both of you
One of the best discussion I have ever listened on sensitive issues with utter honesty. I can never ever imagined such honesty in present india.
Kudos to anchor and dr. Isthiaq ahmed a very learned and honest person. Lies and deceit to self leads to destruction , honesty brings acceptance of our self with totality.
Thanks to pakistani media for such beautiful program.
Love from an indian
It is staggeringly eye-opening that when two intelligent persons converse in a quiet and academic environment, what facts get revealed impassionately. As an Indian I am gobsmacked at the granular events that have led to the country being partitioned and their current state of relationships.
Thanks Aftab Sb for this excellent discussion. Respect and regards for Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Sir aftab I literally ideolize you....you made me morally so much strong and I started loving my culture❤️❤️
This is an excellent observation given by Ishtiaq Ahmed. Excellent interview. Great respect for those 2 intelligent people in this interview.
After passing 39years of my life,
Dialogue with History Teach me and correct my opinion regarding history.
Well researched and well received argument presented by Prof.Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Nice work Aftab Iqbal. Keep it up
Fascinating glimpses of History! Thanks to the Anchor
Thank you so much for this series. We owe you.
Excellent work Geo my Sweet lovely big brother aftab Iqbal Bhai
Thank You so much for your wonderful work. A lot more such work is badly needed.
Follow u on twitter mam
@@saifurrahman7094 Every Islamist should. It doesn't hurt to have some Christians take up the cause of Islamism for ideological reasons.
Fantastic. Dr Ishtiaq is just marvellous. God bless him
Excellent information Aftab Iqbal
بڑی شان دار پیشکش ہے آفتاب صاحب
سلامت رہیں
Excellent explaination~westbengal, India.
Thank u very much for this episodes. Its amazing to hear all these facts.
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Very informative program. Dr. Ishtiaq is very knowledgable person. Good to hear some old facts.
Beautiful program. Aftab Iqbal saahb... Professor saahb bade ache insaan hain... Hum.. Sab indians inki badi izzat karte hain... .. I wish pakistan me.. Education aaye.... Bache padhe/likhe...rise karein... Gareebee khatam Ho.. Aur pakistan rise kare
First time listening to a Pakistani intellectual mesmerisizingly. Wishes from Dhaka.
Thanks for the Vlog
What a brilliant man Ishtiaq sir is.
Very relevant and informative discussions. We came to know first time. Pls continue and also unfold who were and are responsible. Dr Ishtiaq do you suggest some eradicate measures.
Thanks for having such a beautiful
Knowledge from Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed
And you are doing a great job nice interview
I agree 100% with your guest, very practical and possible approach and suggestions for development of Pakistan. Siddhartha Sahstri
Thanks both of you sir
Bhot hee molomat say bhara pgrm .Sun kar sub game ki samj aa gai.Aesay hum log hindu muslm ka rona rotay hain .
Mae shru say is bat ka qayal hon k yeah sub angrez ki sazish ti aaj saboot bhi mil gay
Shukria Aftab shb
آفتاب سر۔۔۔۔ آپ کے اس انتہائی خوبصورت اقدام کو سلام پیش کرتے ہیں
Ishtiaq Ahmed is a gem of Pakistan. please, upload such videos it will be appreciated.
Check ishtiaq’s own channel
Aftab Sahib thanks for such productive conversation. Indian & Pakistani people want peace and love and this is what we should aim at.Kind Regrds
Wah ji wah dr saab is great personality.. ❤
Thank you sir it's great show...👍
Bhtttttttttttttttt alaaaa information great show
Finally aftab iqbal is sitting with someone who's a real intellectual 👏
Normally he doesn't let anyone speak as he's full of biases
Ap athiest Ho?
I'm a humanist 🙏
@@amaraiftikharofficial 😊 much love from India from another humanist
@@adityapratap3725 bht shukria 😇🙏
@@amaraiftikharofficial all the best for future 🤘
Lots of Respect to you Ishtiak saab clean and clear picture aapne di itihaas aapko yaad rakhega....thanks a lot..🙏
A thought provoking talk.
Pleasure to watch a good host and a great guest.
Pakistan me bhi aise debate hoti hai ye jankar bahut achaa laga 👌
Salute to sir Ishtiak Ahmed and his thinking
Very fair assessment by Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed
very good sir......I love you. your skills
Dr sahib are great thanks for enlightened us about partition with honestly
After 6 years now , i hope Aftab sahab has changed his view on pak army.
Excellent discussion
Very nice compilation of candid information . Thanks from Ludhiana
Aftab iqbal sir good job salute aa tuhanu dr saab nu be ek sacha insan 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks veer ji Kya bat Kya bat
Salute to Dr Ishtiyaq Ahmed.
Ishtiaq ahmed such a nice person brave and truth speaker.....
Great sir
Very knowledgeable person.
Dr Ishtyaq honestly great historian.🙏🇮🇳
thank you Aftab SB. All your conversations are insightful and least cynical compared to any other host/anchor on our media. Keep the good talk
Best debate to listen..bravo guys
Best debate from elite persons
Good anylis by dr sb❤
Excellent, very informative & eye opening
Great 👍
Great talk.....Pakistan must understand
ڈاکٹر صاحب کی گفتگو سنی بہت اچھی لگی علم میں اضافہ ہوا اللّہ سلامت رکھے
Very good effort. Lessons of history are for those who want to change. But we are still waiting for hero .
What a informative Prog...
Voice of Sanity and reason
Dr. I. Ahmed.
May he live 100 yrs.
Logical interpretation of history based on facts. Very rare on Pakistan media
A much needed debate. Aftab Sb please continue this effort.May Allah Bless You
Ishtiaq Ahmad is a great scholar and a good human being. God bless him.
Nice discussion.
v nice program
Great Show (Y)
Whatever Professor Sahib is saying can't be challenged, but the interests of politicians, Generals and Bureaucrats as institutions and personnel are enormous, and these suggestions can't be implemented.
Very good information
Very true historyline..... Love from India
A well balanced and rational analysis.
Well Done Sir, Apney ander jhankney ko mila
Excellent Show
Good subject. " Dialogue with" a great idea .
Tremendous class Mr Ishtiaaq
Very good very nice
Good discussion
Thanks to Aftab sab. Jo b kia hooab kia. Well done
thanks aftab sir,its not just information,its knowledge for youth,,much needed.
ALLAH bless u
'Muslims are never grateful to those who do good to them,' says Pakistani-Swedish academic in a talk on Partition of India
kbforyou.blogspot.com/2018/10/muslims-are-never-grateful-to-those-who.html
bohat khub