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Pretty much all the pros and cons are cherry-picked. You should look for other comparisons, and you will soon realize that the Wooting is still the best but also pretty expensive rapid trigger keyboard. The Drunk Deer is still an amazing budget alternative, tho. You should only get the Drunk Deer if you don't have the money for a Wooting in my opinion. There is more than enaugh proof already in this video if you know what the Wooting and its Software can do. (Which got completely ignored in this video lol)
@@4CETH4N Understandable! I just reached out to Akko to see if they'd be willing to send a board for review, so hopefully that goes well and you'll get your review soon! :) I'll make sure to keep you posted when/if they respond.
Agreed. If it had arrow keys and delivered in a few days from Amazon the decision between the two would be much harder for me and I’d possibly go Wooting 😁 Let me know how you like the DrunkDeer if you end up getting it! If you do order, I’d really appreciate it if you would use the affiliate link in the description or pinned comment 😁
I have a G65 and a Apex pro 2023 and i prefer the G65. Its just as fast but more comfortable and something about it is fun to use. Sounds way better too.
It’s crazy to me when I see all the people who chose to spend 200-300$ on a keyboard (lol) who come to videos like this and are like “ but my keyboard sounds better “ and “oh my god wooting 4 life “ It’s a keyboard like it’s literally not that deep lmao. For 95% of FPS gamers this board will do everything you need and more. The people who spent half a month of rent on their keyboard don’t need to come try and shit on the video because they’re insecure that they might have overspent/have people think other products might be better than theirs. Wooting isn’t gonna sponsor you guys lol who is that pressed over a board lol.
Wooting's definitely got a lot of die hard fans lol. For good reason though. It's an amazing keyboard. But so is the DrunkDeer. There are a few good rapid trigger options starting to pop up lately and the competion is great for the us as consumers at the end of the day :) If I wanted a rapid trigger keyboard I'd buy one of these for just over 100 bucks today and get it tomorrow. If I wanted the best (by a small margin imo) rapid trigger keyboard because I'm a pro gamer, I'd pay nearly $200 for a Wooting and get it a month or two :D
Absolutely love the keyboard and still use it to this day. I have another video coming out soon with another upgrade that I did (aluminum case). I should note however that Wooting has taken another step forward with SOCD, but that may or may not be banned in the near future.
@@Mettr0 of course brother. Let me know if there’s anything else you wanna know! :) If you do end up going with DrunkDeer or anything else off Amazon, I’d appreciate let it greatly if you used a link in the description.
Im not a fan of 60 or 65 percent keyboards. I play a lot of Tarkov and need my F keys Drunkdeer is a solid choice if you want to save a good chunk of money. Especially in Canada the he wooting is around $300 while the Drunkdeer is $170-180.
Yeah it's a substantial difference! Sounds like the A75 is more your style then :D Another thing I think Wooting could work on - and seemingly are with the upcoming 80he - is expanding the layout selection. No 65% and no 75% is a dealbreaker for me as they are my preferred layouts.
@shusakudake youre not accounting for taxes my man. I was including those in the final prices. I aint bad mouthing shit. Drunkdeer is/was on sale for 140 Cnd, after taxes it comes to the price I mentioned. Wooting comes to around $300 after taxes.
I live far from the USA but which would be best just for fps? I have another silent keyboard to type on. Can I change switches to Gateron Jade or Geonworks and keycaps to PBT. Focus on performance first, then durability. Drunkdeer A75 ($135) AKKO MOD 007 PC 7 ANNIVERSARY ($125) VXE ATK75 ($131) VXE ATK68 ($108)
Hi! :) You can’t swap switches in really any magnetic keyboard for the time being. In practice that is - in some you technically can swap to standard mechanical switches, but then there’s really no point in getting magnetic to begin with lol. Haven’t tried the Akko yet, but Monsgeek (sister company so presumably very similar) recently sent me an M1W-SP HE and that thing is so heavy and robust and feels good to play on. Overall, for now I’d say I slightly prefer the DrunkDeer at least for me. The monageek is a little more customizable and can 0.01 mm lower on actuation if I’m not mistaken, but I don’t really see myself ever using that lol.
is there new info about the diferent profilew for typing and gaming? wich one should i choose between the a75 and g65 fopr gaming and typing, i need both, i like playing some FPS sometimes. thanks for all the information you have given, especially for those who dont understand much. Or do you think there are better options now at this price point for the same uses?. (below 120dls or so)
Hey man. So unfortunately they still haven't released a physical option for profile-switching, but honestly, I eventually got completely used to typing on the keyboard in the gaming setup, so I don't really feel the need anymore. It'd still be nice, but definitely not something I'm really thinking about now. A75 vs G65 is kinda personal preference and depend what you need / what form factor you prefer. The A75 comes with a full F row and a volume knob - the G65 takes up less space on your desk - that's the difference really. I am still using the G65 as my daily driver. I recently put it in an aluminum case and plan on putting out a video on that this week actually :) For the 100-ish dollars that the G65 usually costs, I think it's unbeatable. If you do order, please do consider using the affiliate link: amzn.to/4950RGG Doesn't cost anything and will help support the channel :) Thanks! Let me know what you think of the keyboard if you end up getting it or which one you ended up going with if you don't! :)
Hey bro. Lubing won't have a negative effect on performance if that's what you're afraid of. At least as long as you don't overlube. If anything it'll improve performance a bit as the switches will feel better and move more smoothly.
@@NightmareChronicles49 A tape mod and lubing the switches is pretty straight forward and can definitely be done without any experience with a little bit of patience. I'll try to make a simple keyboard mod guide video soon - if you don't wanna wait for that try searching for other videos on tape mod and switch lubing and feel free to ask if you have any questions :D
Haven’t tried the anniversary brother but if you’re not too worried about saving money I’d probably get the DD, and if money is tight then I’d go with the Akko.
actually been scouting the wooting for a while but I hate the wait times and don’t think I can live without arrow keys. is it really that big of a difference between rapid trigger or not? and is the drunk deer as good as the wooting in every way?
If someone magically changed your keyboard one day and it looked, sounded and felt the same, I don't think you'd necessarily notice a massive difference unless you play CS2 or Valorant a ton, but comparing them back to back it's easy to tell that it's a noticeable diffenrece and significant advantage. I can pretty much guarantee you that it will improve your counter strafing. As far as comparing the Wooting to the DrunkDeer boards - The Wooting does have a few features that the DrunkDeer does not - but honestly not really any that I'd miss - add to that the fact that the DD is in stock, cost around $65 dollars less and comes with arrow keys and I'd probably recommend it over the wooting. I believe the Wooting switches may be just a tiny bit more precise than the DD ones, but the DD is already a big upgrade from a traditional board :)
@@kwispyCS Valorant and CS2 arent even close to gaining the most out of rapid trigger. Track Mania and osu even considered banning the keyboard because of how much of an advantage you can gain if you know how to use it. Seems like the research you made for this video is nonexistent because the Wooting has many advantages with the Software alone. The build quality is way better, and there are a bunch of other small advantages that the average player probably won't notice much. You're at least right that the Drunk Deer is a good budget alternative. It's not Superior to the Wooting in any way except the price tag and the delivery time. In the end the Drunk Deer is amazing for its price but not better than other rapid trigger keyboards like you said in the video.
You're correct that I didn't play every game in existence to make and end all be all video about 3 keyboards. Also, this is my third review of gaming peripherals. I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable expert in the universe. I am trying to build a channel and I wanted to make a video introducing more people to rapid trigger keyboards, and as you've said multiple times now, the DD is a great option at a lower pricepoint. I don't think our opinions are really all that different, but I also don't think you know how difficult it is to make a video without forgetting or leaving some things out. It's a video about a keyboard and I'm giving you my opinion on it - I have no incentinve to promote one more than the other. Let's leave it at that :)
@@kwispyCS the Games that are by far Most impactuful with These Keyboards are kinda important but ok. I dont know much about Video creation so I shouldnt be judging to much youre right on that. sorry
Yeah don't worry about it! :) I've definitely found that it's not as easy as it looks lol. But yeah you're right - that definitely matters - they're just not games I have any interest in or knowledge about so it's unfortunately not really something I can speak about. osu I've never bothered really looking into but I did use to play Trackmania when I was younger and I can definitely see the dual actuation being an advantage there. The vast majority of my subscribers are CS players and so am I, so that's why my review is coming from that point of view. Again, I really appreaciate your input! Hope you enjoy what's left of the weekend! :)
Steelseries Apex Pro definitely is a huge upgrade specifically in terms of switch response time for things like counter strafing etc! :) If you've already had it for a while I'd just enjoy the keyboard cause it's definitely a good one. If it's still within the return period I'd consider taking it back and trying out one of the DrunkDeer boards cause I do think they're better in some key areas even though the Apex Pro does have a few additional features.
Hey Nice video man. I play cs2 a lot and i am 2200 elo lvl 10. I use a pretty Old corsair keyboard and considered buying the huntsman mini analog, for its cheap Price and rapid trigger included. But i Think you Got me hooked on buying this drunkdeer, would you say this switch is gonna make a huge difference in my counter strafing? Because i actually feel like my Old board is pretty slow at strafing. Thanks ❤
Thanks man! Yes, at that level I think you'll be able to notice a significant diffenrence for sure :) My level is similar and I definitely did - Now I won't even consider a keyboard if it doesn't have rapid trigger :D
Hey man! :) I used this switch opener: amzn.to/43xCGyT You just basically put the switch on there and push down 😁 let me know if you need any help with it!
Can definitely try to reach out to them to see if they're interested in sending one out for review. Interesting to see how many HE keyboards are starting to come out. I'm sure the dye-sub caps help the sound a lot. I have a review coming out soon on the Monsgeek M1W-SP HE as well as an update on the G65 with an aluminum case :)
Wait I just looked it up and it says double shot PBT, but I could've sworn I saw a version withb dye-sub at one point. Which is yours? Maybe it's just the 8 "bonus keycaps" that are dye-sub? Seems odd lol
@@kwispyCS mines are double shot, and yes im pretty sure the 8 extra keycaps are dye-sub cause they definitely have a different sound signature than standard set that comes with the board
@@dany.2431the polar 65 has continuous rapid trigger, with no way to turn it off. Same with the the endgame gear K65HE, that's why I'm going for the drunkdeer(although the Polar 65 looks better)
Hey! You're very welcome :) Unfortunately they have not yet made that update, but I will say after a little bit of getting used to, I really don't feel the need to switch profiles between gaming and typing. It feels fantastic for both (for me) set at 0.3 - 0.1 - 0.1 for most keys
Hi ! I was wondering : on the a75, if you press fn + f7 you can play for example a youtube video that is not in a focused window. Can you do the same on the g65 ? (Like by pressing fn2 + 7). I have a 60% rn and fn2 + 7 does not pause a video.
Hey man - great question! The answer is yes :D I personally have play/pause bound to fn2 + right arrow and when pressed, it will play/pause whatever media you've most recently interacted with. So if you're playing a youtube video in another window or tab and you press it, it will pause the video. If you're playing 2 youtube videos in two different windows (not entirely sure why you would, but just so you know) it will pause the one in the active window, and if neither window is active, it pauses the one you last interacted with :) Here are the affialite links to both the G65 and A75 - thank you in advance if you do end up goijng through either link! :) Let me know if you have any other questions! G65: amzn.to/49VvjUm A75: amzn.to/4csZhRw
@@kwispyCS Thanks for the help ! Ended up going for the A75 because it seems to have improvements over the g65 and also for the sound wheel/extra functionnalities as i already have a 60% custom. Cant wait to try out rapid trigger !
You're very welcome! :) And nice! You're gonna love rapid trigger if you play CS2, Valorant, Overwatch or similar games at a reasonably high level! Sometimes I'd definitely love to have a volume wheel and a function row but I honestly don't miss it much with the binds below: MUTE: fn2 + ← Volume up: fn2 + ↑ Volume down: fn2 + ↓ Play/Pause: fn2 + → F1 (CS2 yes vote): fn2 + , F2 (CS2 no vote): fn2 + . F5 (refresh): fn2 + right shift
Damn me that I didn’t take it when there was on amazon ...now I have to pay customs and with shipping I arrive at 150$ withouth customs.... ...thought i prefer like size wooting with 60%......i'll bought Wensday a new keyboard varmilo victory is like performance equal of wooting and same size....but wooting are slower with shipping and isn't in stock..........varmilo is in stock and is faster with shipping......it will arrive Tuesday less than a week i can't wait
I actually have a video coming out soon on the Monsgeek M1W-SP HE (I believe they're sister companies) and this keyboard is 8k polling as well so stay tuned! :)
Is it modded? If not I doubt that it sounds better than the modded DrunkDeer (Which is still signficantly cheaper than the wooting with the mods from the video) :D Have you tried both? I'm not here to sell or talk up either product, and sound is obviously subjective but I doubt you'd prefer the sound of a stock wooting to the modded DD if you heard both in real life :D
@@kwispyCS i have modded it but this is based on my thoughts of before i modded it (new case, a little extra foam, burger mount and band-aid mods. I just left the factory lube). I feel like it has more of a poppy sound which I prefer. Also a little deeper. (I am also a complete amateur when it comes to keyboards. The wooting was the first and only real "made to sound decent" keyboard that I have gotten, and also my first time modding so take my opinion with a grain of salt, I just base my opinions on recordings I've heard of sound tests and such). But this is based solely on your recording of those keyboards, which I know isnt 100% accurate to what it sounds like in real life. So I very much could be mistaken. After hearing both after modding, I can definitly say I prefer the spacebar sound on g65 although I prefer the normal key sound of the wooting.
Gotcha - FYI this is something I kind of forgot to mention in the video - but since you specifically mentioned liking it and that you're not too experienced with it - I modded the spacebar with some painters tape inside. Pretty straight forward and you can always try to search for a video about it. If you got any questions just let me know! :)
@@kwispyCSthe razer huntsman mini analog v1 is bad. The new huntsman v3 pro 100%/tkl/mini is incredible for gaming. It has around the same latency as the wooting with tachyon.
Should be possible with a firmware/software update as far as I know. Whether they're gonna do it or not is a different question, but I definitely hope so!
@@chandude3 You don't need it, but I can promise that if you play at any kind of advanced level and you try Rapid Trigger you're probably not going back :D
I own both wooting & drunkdeer a75 - Software wise wooting is much much better & stable as well ( drunkdeer firmware is currently unstable especially on 0.1RT ) - Drunkdeer Raesha switch is better imo less wobble compared to wooting stock Lekker60he switch but … u can’t replace Drunkdeer Switch as freely as u like 😢 Both has its own pros and cons. U got high budget go for wooting for better stability & functionality such as the analog feature u could easily Auto/Counter Strafe on CS2 feels like cheating imo. If the budget is limited go for Drunkdeer
Yeah - new ones coming to the market every day. Good to see more of the big companies stepping up to the plate with magnetic switches. The competition should benefit us as consumers :)
I disagree that they're just knock offs. By that logic almost every product on the market is a knock off of something :D Someone is always going to do something first and other will attempt to make it better and cheaper. It's definitely true that the wooting is more customizable so it comes down to whether or not you need that extra costumizability. The wooting has it's positives and negative as does every keyboard. In my opinion, the DrunkDeer is better value for money, and it's also in stock which I consider to be a huge plus. But of course it's not like it blows the wooting out of the water or anything like that :)
@@kwispyCS I agree the Drunk Deer is mind-blowing for its price but not better than the Wooting I don't know why you didn't make that more clear in the video but did in this comment.
@@kwispyCS CS isn't the only game on the planet bucko, crazy i know. owning a drunkdeer is like owning a car without the keys. it got the hardware to so many things but due to the software it's garbage and can't do anything.
@@VixFumo it isn’t the you’re game, you’re right, but hopefully the other games are smart enough to follow suit and ban SOCD too. Your analogy makes no sense lol. I do agree however that DD’s software could be better and they are very slow to add new features. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a good keyboard. If you disagree that’s fine, just try not to be an A$$ about it :)
@@kwispyCS it's just really obvious that you are exremely biased. 1: you didn't mention the software's many shortcomings and how limited it is compared to other keyboards. 2: you didn't mention the rapid trigger's 0.2->0.8 is worse than many other RT keyboards (even cheap ones) and tried to show how impressive it is. 3: the wooting does have lower latency than the DrunkDeer yet the graphs you show paint the picture that the DrunkDeer got much lower, which is misleading. also funny how you think that 0.2->3.8 vs 0.1->4.0 is no big deal but less than 1ms latency difference is worth pointing out. do better.
@@kwispyCS also, you are the same person who replied "now with SOCD I think it is significantly better :D", and now trying to say that you think it should be banned. honk honk 🤡
This is the worst review I have ever seen about any rapid trigger keyboard. The Wooting is currently superior to all other rapid trigger keyboards in an objective way. SoUnDs BeTtEr is not even true and subjective anyway. The Wooting is obviously more expensive than the Drunk Deer, but is also way worse in many aspects. The Software for the Drunk Deer is not even close to what the Wotility software for the Wooting can do. The actuation point isn't as adjustable and the overall build quality is way worse, which got completely ignored here: 4:55. The Drunk Deer dick riding made in this video is immense. You cherry-picked all the points for the overall comparison and ignored 90% of why the Wooting is so good. Don't get me wrong tho, the Dunk Deer is an amazing budget alternative for those who don't want to spend that much money on a keyboard. Please stop cherry-picking pros and cons and make proper comparisons about the products you're reviewing.
Nice try Wooting... Lol jk, but I gotta say, I disagree with your feedback a little bit :) I agree that sound is subjective - which was mentioned in the video. Software is not as good - I agree and I mention in the video that the wooting has some additional features (that I don't value in any way) ie. dual actuation is one of the silliest inventions I've heard of - If you've tried it and found a good use for it and find it easy to use, I'd really like to hear about it. "The actuation point isn't as adjustable" Wooting is adjustable from 0.1 - 4.0 mm - in 0.1 mm increments DrunkDeer is adjustable from 0.2 - 3.8 mm - in 0.1 mm increments So the ONLY difference here is that the wooting can actuate at 0.1 mm rather than 0.2 mm and can be set 0.2 mm lower than the DrunkDeer - if that's somehow important to you I guess you're right, but I'd love to hear how that's an important difference. Overall, from my perspective, which is what the video is, there more or less equally as useful - the difference being that the DD is $55 cheaper and for less than that you can add multiple quality mods. And then there's the fact that you generally have to wait around 2 months for the Wooting. I never said there was absolutely no way anyone should be buying a Wooting, I just stated my opinion and my opinion is that the DD is better value. If you disagree that's perfectly fine, but I don't think I was d*ckriding. Anyway, I appreciate your feedback and opinion - and that's not meant to be sarcastic lol
@@kwispyCS thanks for your answer. Ofc you can recommend someone the drunk deer because its much cheaper for only a bunch of downsides but you cant say that the drunk deer ist better which is objectivly wrong. For someone who doesnt have a Lot of Money at Hand the DD ist definitly the better Option.
@@kwispyCS that spacebar is so pingy. I have a fully moded wooting 60: Gummy oring friction mount, polyfill, tape mod, switch tape mod, and of course lubed switches. Fully removes uneven sound of the tray mount and removes the chattery upstroke sound. The sound is way better than that recording at 7 mins. Yes the board is cheaper but its certainly not better, even soundwise. The only big reason you have is price. Performance wise, wooting wins. Also on the drunkdeer QnA "we currently do not recommend disassembling the A75 keyboard" just shows that the product isnt aimed at enthousiasts. While wooting encourages modding the board with full tutorials on youtube and a more indepth customization guide and info on discord, with things like case compatibility lists. Not to mention one of the best customer service i have ever experienced. I notified a problem in the switch design, they fixed it with gateron within 2months and provided free replacements free shipping. Something you would never see from companies like razer.
As mentioned - it's extremely difficult to capture the proper sound with a mic - at least with my setup :) You also just mentioned 5 mods, some of which not being very beginner friendly - I taped the PCB, lubed the switch and stuck a bit of tape in the spacebar - I would hope that yours sound better :D lol
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Thanks for a thorough review of the differences between the three keyboards and the options for individual setup👍🏼It was very informative.
You're welcome! Happy it was helpful! :)
Pretty much all the pros and cons are cherry-picked. You should look for other comparisons, and you will soon realize that the Wooting is still the best but also pretty expensive rapid trigger keyboard. The Drunk Deer is still an amazing budget alternative, tho. You should only get the Drunk Deer if you don't have the money for a Wooting in my opinion. There is more than enaugh proof already in this video if you know what the Wooting and its Software can do. (Which got completely ignored in this video lol)
I know very little about keyboards but you make this video very clear and precise. i appreciate the work you put into it.
Thanks man! I really appreciate that! :) makes it all worth it to hear someone say that.
Hopefully it was helpful you.
Really thorough and easy to understand review! Would love to see a comparison between drunkdeer, wooting and akko
Thank you!
I’ll try to make that happen at some point in the future if at all possible :)
hopefully it happens soon! Been pretty torn between drunkdeer and the akko for a bit cause both of them has their own advantages and disadvantages. 🙏
@@4CETH4N Understandable! I just reached out to Akko to see if they'd be willing to send a board for review, so hopefully that goes well and you'll get your review soon! :) I'll make sure to keep you posted when/if they respond.
@@kwispyCS nice!
1:29 idk, wooting sounds way better than drunkdeer out the box but like you said, subjective.
For me the biggest turn off with Wooting is the missing arrowkeys so il prob go with drunkdeer. Thanks for the video!
Agreed. If it had arrow keys and delivered in a few days from Amazon the decision between the two would be much harder for me and I’d possibly go Wooting 😁
Let me know how you like the DrunkDeer if you end up getting it!
If you do order, I’d really appreciate it if you would use the affiliate link in the description or pinned comment 😁
No ISO-DE layout sadly, but I just bought the Wooting and it will arrive next week:)
Nice - I'm sure you're gonna love it!
Bin zwar sehr spät aber du kannst die Sprache in der Software ändern musst dann nur keycaps tauschen
@@Dominikkkkkkkkkkk Wird schwer sich später daran zu gewöhnen xD
I have a G65 and a Apex pro 2023 and i prefer the G65. Its just as fast but more comfortable and something about it is fun to use. Sounds way better too.
Same boat! :)
It’s crazy to me when I see all the people who chose to spend 200-300$ on a keyboard (lol) who come to videos like this and are like “ but my keyboard sounds better “ and “oh my god wooting 4 life “
It’s a keyboard like it’s literally not that deep lmao. For 95% of FPS gamers this board will do everything you need and more. The people who spent half a month of rent on their keyboard don’t need to come try and shit on the video because they’re insecure that they might have overspent/have people think other products might be better than theirs. Wooting isn’t gonna sponsor you guys lol who is that pressed over a board lol.
Wooting's definitely got a lot of die hard fans lol.
For good reason though. It's an amazing keyboard.
But so is the DrunkDeer. There are a few good rapid trigger options starting to pop up lately and the competion is great for the us as consumers at the end of the day :)
If I wanted a rapid trigger keyboard I'd buy one of these for just over 100 bucks today and get it tomorrow.
If I wanted the best (by a small margin imo) rapid trigger keyboard because I'm a pro gamer, I'd pay nearly $200 for a Wooting and get it a month or two :D
Agreed. I just got my G60 for $60. Almost a quarter of the price of a Wooting, at least in my area. Those people just wanna justify their $200 lmao
Nice! Could u also make a comparison in polar 65, apex pro mini, wooting?
after a while how did you like the keyboard and was it worth taking it?
Absolutely love the keyboard and still use it to this day.
I have another video coming out soon with another upgrade that I did (aluminum case).
I should note however that Wooting has taken another step forward with SOCD, but that may or may not be banned in the near future.
@@kwispyCS thanks for the answer!
@@Mettr0 of course brother. Let me know if there’s anything else you wanna know! :)
If you do end up going with DrunkDeer or anything else off Amazon, I’d appreciate let it greatly if you used a link in the description.
Im not a fan of 60 or 65 percent keyboards.
I play a lot of Tarkov and need my F keys
Drunkdeer is a solid choice if you want to save a good chunk of money. Especially in Canada the he wooting is around $300 while the Drunkdeer is $170-180.
Yeah it's a substantial difference!
Sounds like the A75 is more your style then :D
Another thing I think Wooting could work on - and seemingly are with the upcoming 80he - is expanding the layout selection.
No 65% and no 75% is a dealbreaker for me as they are my preferred layouts.
the wooting is 182usd 245cad idk where you get your numbers from but thats straight bad mouthing
@shusakudake youre not accounting for taxes my man. I was including those in the final prices. I aint bad mouthing shit. Drunkdeer is/was on sale for 140 Cnd, after taxes it comes to the price I mentioned. Wooting comes to around $300 after taxes.
@@davisterisboss3387 i also speak about with taxes i look at the wooting website and it says 245 with vat and shipping to canada. look it up yourself
@@davisterisboss3387 the website says with tax at the end of the cashout in canada
awesome video, thanks for the review
Thank you! :)
Glad it was helpful!
I live far from the USA but which would be best just for fps? I have another silent keyboard to type on.
Can I change switches to Gateron Jade or Geonworks and keycaps to PBT.
Focus on performance first, then durability.
Drunkdeer A75 ($135)
AKKO MOD 007 PC 7 ANNIVERSARY ($125)
VXE ATK75 ($131)
VXE ATK68 ($108)
Hi! :) You can’t swap switches in really any magnetic keyboard for the time being. In practice that is - in some you technically can swap to standard mechanical switches, but then there’s really no point in getting magnetic to begin with lol.
Haven’t tried the Akko yet, but Monsgeek (sister company so presumably very similar) recently sent me an M1W-SP HE and that thing is so heavy and robust and feels good to play on.
Overall, for now I’d say I slightly prefer the DrunkDeer at least for me.
The monageek is a little more customizable and can 0.01 mm lower on actuation if I’m not mistaken, but I don’t really see myself ever using that lol.
@@kwispyCS Thanks bro
whats the difference between the Drunkdeer G75 and A75?
Size and layout mostly.
G65 is 65% and A75 is - you guessed it - 75% :D
is there new info about the diferent profilew for typing and gaming? wich one should i choose between the a75 and g65 fopr gaming and typing, i need both, i like playing some FPS sometimes. thanks for all the information you have given, especially for those who dont understand much. Or do you think there are better options now at this price point for the same uses?. (below 120dls or so)
Hey man.
So unfortunately they still haven't released a physical option for profile-switching, but honestly, I eventually got completely used to typing on the keyboard in the gaming setup, so I don't really feel the need anymore.
It'd still be nice, but definitely not something I'm really thinking about now.
A75 vs G65 is kinda personal preference and depend what you need / what form factor you prefer.
The A75 comes with a full F row and a volume knob - the G65 takes up less space on your desk - that's the difference really.
I am still using the G65 as my daily driver. I recently put it in an aluminum case and plan on putting out a video on that this week actually :)
For the 100-ish dollars that the G65 usually costs, I think it's unbeatable.
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Let me know what you think of the keyboard if you end up getting it or which one you ended up going with if you don't! :)
Does lubing/switching the switches effect the performance at all?
Hey bro.
Lubing won't have a negative effect on performance if that's what you're afraid of. At least as long as you don't overlube.
If anything it'll improve performance a bit as the switches will feel better and move more smoothly.
Great explanation bro🎉
Thanks man, appreciate that!
Do you have one of these or which keyboard are you using?
@@kwispyCS i currently use the drunkdeer g75 and i think it will be cool if they made it thockier fr
Nice! :) Have you done any mods at all?
@@kwispyCS no i dont know how to mod my keyboard ;:(
@@NightmareChronicles49 A tape mod and lubing the switches is pretty straight forward and can definitely be done without any experience with a little bit of patience. I'll try to make a simple keyboard mod guide video soon - if you don't wanna wait for that try searching for other videos on tape mod and switch lubing and feel free to ask if you have any questions :D
this is a very well put video. Liking and commenting for algorithm
Thank you brother, I really appreciate that!! :)
in my country akko 7th anniversary cost 85$ and drunkdeer costs 150$ is it worth it to add 65$ more for Drunkdeer a75?
Haven’t tried the anniversary brother but if you’re not too worried about saving money I’d probably get the DD, and if money is tight then I’d go with the Akko.
actually been scouting the wooting for a while but I hate the wait times and don’t think I can live without arrow keys. is it really that big of a difference between rapid trigger or not? and is the drunk deer as good as the wooting in every way?
If someone magically changed your keyboard one day and it looked, sounded and felt the same, I don't think you'd necessarily notice a massive difference unless you play CS2 or Valorant a ton, but comparing them back to back it's easy to tell that it's a noticeable diffenrece and significant advantage. I can pretty much guarantee you that it will improve your counter strafing.
As far as comparing the Wooting to the DrunkDeer boards - The Wooting does have a few features that the DrunkDeer does not - but honestly not really any that I'd miss - add to that the fact that the DD is in stock, cost around $65 dollars less and comes with arrow keys and I'd probably recommend it over the wooting. I believe the Wooting switches may be just a tiny bit more precise than the DD ones, but the DD is already a big upgrade from a traditional board :)
@@kwispyCS Valorant and CS2 arent even close to gaining the most out of rapid trigger. Track Mania and osu even considered banning the keyboard because of how much of an advantage you can gain if you know how to use it. Seems like the research you made for this video is nonexistent because the Wooting has many advantages with the Software alone. The build quality is way better, and there are a bunch of other small advantages that the average player probably won't notice much. You're at least right that the Drunk Deer is a good budget alternative. It's not Superior to the Wooting in any way except the price tag and the delivery time. In the end the Drunk Deer is amazing for its price but not better than other rapid trigger keyboards like you said in the video.
You're correct that I didn't play every game in existence to make and end all be all video about 3 keyboards.
Also, this is my third review of gaming peripherals. I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable expert in the universe. I am trying to build a channel and I wanted to make a video introducing more people to rapid trigger keyboards, and as you've said multiple times now, the DD is a great option at a lower pricepoint. I don't think our opinions are really all that different, but I also don't think you know how difficult it is to make a video without forgetting or leaving some things out. It's a video about a keyboard and I'm giving you my opinion on it - I have no incentinve to promote one more than the other. Let's leave it at that :)
@@kwispyCS the Games that are by far Most impactuful with These Keyboards are kinda important but ok. I dont know much about Video creation so I shouldnt be judging to much youre right on that. sorry
Yeah don't worry about it! :)
I've definitely found that it's not as easy as it looks lol.
But yeah you're right - that definitely matters - they're just not games I have any interest in or knowledge about so it's unfortunately not really something I can speak about.
osu I've never bothered really looking into but I did use to play Trackmania when I was younger and I can definitely see the dual actuation being an advantage there. The vast majority of my subscribers are CS players and so am I, so that's why my review is coming from that point of view.
Again, I really appreaciate your input! Hope you enjoy what's left of the weekend! :)
Do you know if they're going to implement the macro function on the web app? It's the only reason I may choose to buy the wooting instead of the G65.
Hey man. Just reached out to them to see if it’s anywhere close to being rolled out 👍🏼
@@kwispyCS Thanks a lot.
I have the apex pro and already thought that was a big upgrade from my old razer!
Steelseries Apex Pro definitely is a huge upgrade specifically in terms of switch response time for things like counter strafing etc! :)
If you've already had it for a while I'd just enjoy the keyboard cause it's definitely a good one.
If it's still within the return period I'd consider taking it back and trying out one of the DrunkDeer boards cause I do think they're better in some key areas even though the Apex Pro does have a few additional features.
Hey Nice video man. I play cs2 a lot and i am 2200 elo lvl 10. I use a pretty Old corsair keyboard and considered buying the huntsman mini analog, for its cheap Price and rapid trigger included. But i Think you Got me hooked on buying this drunkdeer, would you say this switch is gonna make a huge difference in my counter strafing? Because i actually feel like my Old board is pretty slow at strafing.
Thanks ❤
Thanks man!
Yes, at that level I think you'll be able to notice a significant diffenrence for sure :)
My level is similar and I definitely did - Now I won't even consider a keyboard if it doesn't have rapid trigger :D
@@kwispyCS thx just ordered the 65 i like that layout.
@@cm777cm Yeah that's what I'm rocking to this day. Fairly heavily modded at this point :D
@@cm777cm Hey you got an update how's the keyboard so far?
How did you open those switches mine were really hard to open
Hey man! :)
I used this switch opener: amzn.to/43xCGyT
You just basically put the switch on there and push down 😁 let me know if you need any help with it!
can you do a video on the polar 65? i have the keyboard and it sounds amazing, it would be interesting to hear your opinion on this
Can definitely try to reach out to them to see if they're interested in sending one out for review.
Interesting to see how many HE keyboards are starting to come out.
I'm sure the dye-sub caps help the sound a lot.
I have a review coming out soon on the Monsgeek M1W-SP HE as well as an update on the G65 with an aluminum case :)
Wait I just looked it up and it says double shot PBT, but I could've sworn I saw a version withb dye-sub at one point.
Which is yours?
Maybe it's just the 8 "bonus keycaps" that are dye-sub? Seems odd lol
@@kwispyCS mines are double shot, and yes im pretty sure the 8 extra keycaps are dye-sub cause they definitely have a different sound signature than standard set that comes with the board
@@dany.2431the polar 65 has continuous rapid trigger, with no way to turn it off. Same with the the endgame gear K65HE, that's why I'm going for the drunkdeer(although the Polar 65 looks better)
feel like I need this keyboard for the xantares peek
Lol I'm sure you'll love it if you end up trying it! :) definitely effective for the xantarespeek lol
i have Drunkdeer A75 i bought it a year ago but i want wooting too
Hey thanks for the nice review do you know if they release an update to switch profile with a bind as of today
Hey! You're very welcome :)
Unfortunately they have not yet made that update, but I will say after a little bit of getting used to, I really don't feel the need to switch profiles between gaming and typing. It feels fantastic for both (for me) set at 0.3 - 0.1 - 0.1 for most keys
@@kwispyCS Alright i hope it's still in the making thank you for the reply have a good day :)
Hi ! I was wondering : on the a75, if you press fn + f7 you can play for example a youtube video that is not in a focused window. Can you do the same on the g65 ? (Like by pressing fn2 + 7). I have a 60% rn and fn2 + 7 does not pause a video.
Hey man - great question!
The answer is yes :D
I personally have play/pause bound to fn2 + right arrow and when pressed, it will play/pause whatever media you've most recently interacted with.
So if you're playing a youtube video in another window or tab and you press it, it will pause the video.
If you're playing 2 youtube videos in two different windows (not entirely sure why you would, but just so you know) it will pause the one in the active window, and if neither window is active, it pauses the one you last interacted with :)
Here are the affialite links to both the G65 and A75 - thank you in advance if you do end up goijng through either link! :)
Let me know if you have any other questions!
G65: amzn.to/49VvjUm
A75: amzn.to/4csZhRw
@@kwispyCS Thanks for the help ! Ended up going for the A75 because it seems to have improvements over the g65 and also for the sound wheel/extra functionnalities as i already have a 60% custom. Cant wait to try out rapid trigger !
You're very welcome! :)
And nice! You're gonna love rapid trigger if you play CS2, Valorant, Overwatch or similar games at a reasonably high level!
Sometimes I'd definitely love to have a volume wheel and a function row but I honestly don't miss it much with the binds below:
MUTE: fn2 + ←
Volume up: fn2 + ↑
Volume down: fn2 + ↓
Play/Pause: fn2 + →
F1 (CS2 yes vote): fn2 + ,
F2 (CS2 no vote): fn2 + .
F5 (refresh): fn2 + right shift
setting your f5 to something on the right side when you can just ctrl+r is like...
Fair point lol.
It's mostly for when I only have my right hand free
@@kwispyCS well yeah, also fair
Damn me that I didn’t take it when there was on amazon ...now I have to pay customs and with shipping I arrive at 150$ withouth customs.... ...thought i prefer like size wooting with 60%......i'll bought Wensday a new keyboard varmilo victory is like performance equal of wooting and same size....but wooting are slower with shipping and isn't in stock..........varmilo is in stock and is faster with shipping......it will arrive Tuesday less than a week i can't wait
Dang those some loud keyboards
I’m assuming you’re used to membrane keyboards? 😁
CAN YOU GIVE ME THE LINK FOR THE SOFTWARE?
Hey man, sorry for the late response :)
Here's the link: drunkdeer-antler.com/#/
look at the Akko Mod007 he pc or the new mod007b he with an 8k polling rate
I actually have a video coming out soon on the Monsgeek M1W-SP HE (I believe they're sister companies) and this keyboard is 8k polling as well so stay tuned! :)
Can you pls link the keycaps set that you used to mod the keyboard ?
Of course :)
Here you go:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BZCB56T5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
i wonder why no one talks on akko mod 007 7th anniversary are they so bad?
125 hz polling rate
the sound of my wooting at least is much nicer imo
Is it modded?
If not I doubt that it sounds better than the modded DrunkDeer (Which is still signficantly cheaper than the wooting with the mods from the video) :D
Have you tried both?
I'm not here to sell or talk up either product, and sound is obviously subjective but I doubt you'd prefer the sound of a stock wooting to the modded DD if you heard both in real life :D
@@kwispyCS i have modded it but this is based on my thoughts of before i modded it (new case, a little extra foam, burger mount and band-aid mods. I just left the factory lube). I feel like it has more of a poppy sound which I prefer. Also a little deeper. (I am also a complete amateur when it comes to keyboards. The wooting was the first and only real "made to sound decent" keyboard that I have gotten, and also my first time modding so take my opinion with a grain of salt, I just base my opinions on recordings I've heard of sound tests and such). But this is based solely on your recording of those keyboards, which I know isnt 100% accurate to what it sounds like in real life. So I very much could be mistaken. After hearing both after modding, I can definitly say I prefer the spacebar sound on g65 although I prefer the normal key sound of the wooting.
And I also was talking about the stock version of both keyboards
Gotcha - FYI this is something I kind of forgot to mention in the video - but since you specifically mentioned liking it and that you're not too experienced with it - I modded the spacebar with some painters tape inside. Pretty straight forward and you can always try to search for a video about it. If you got any questions just let me know! :)
How about Razer huntsman mini analog?
Haven't tried that one specifically, but generally I think Razers Rapid Trigger implementation have been less impressive than the others :)
@@kwispyCSthe razer huntsman mini analog v1 is bad.
The new huntsman v3 pro 100%/tkl/mini is incredible for gaming. It has around the same latency as the wooting with tachyon.
Can they have snap tap or socd type features in future?
Should be possible with a firmware/software update as far as I know.
Whether they're gonna do it or not is a different question, but I definitely hope so!
just buy a rk61 and mod it for like 50% less the cost
Doesn't have Rapid Trigger which is basically the entire point of this keyboard lol :D
@@kwispyCS but is that really even needed? ive been playing cs since 2004 and never once have i thought that i needed a keyboard like this lol
@@chandude3 You don't need it, but I can promise that if you play at any kind of advanced level and you try Rapid Trigger you're probably not going back :D
wooting still clears
Don't think it did when I made the video considering it was 80% more expensive - now with SOCD I think it is significantly better :D
I own both wooting & drunkdeer a75
- Software wise wooting is much much better & stable as well ( drunkdeer firmware is currently unstable especially on 0.1RT )
- Drunkdeer Raesha switch is better imo less wobble compared to wooting stock Lekker60he switch but … u can’t replace Drunkdeer Switch as freely as u like 😢
Both has its own pros and cons. U got high budget go for wooting for better stability & functionality such as the analog feature u could easily Auto/Counter Strafe on CS2 feels like cheating imo. If the budget is limited go for Drunkdeer
counter strafe feels different between drunkdeer and wooting?
Can i get your viewmodel please 🙏🏻
For CS2? :)
4:26 huntsman v3 pro
Yeah - new ones coming to the market every day.
Good to see more of the big companies stepping up to the plate with magnetic switches. The competition should benefit us as consumers :)
In my opinion the other keyboards are just knock offs of the og and the 60he is very customizable so it’s better for me
I disagree that they're just knock offs. By that logic almost every product on the market is a knock off of something :D
Someone is always going to do something first and other will attempt to make it better and cheaper.
It's definitely true that the wooting is more customizable so it comes down to whether or not you need that extra costumizability.
The wooting has it's positives and negative as does every keyboard. In my opinion, the DrunkDeer is better value for money, and it's also in stock which I consider to be a huge plus. But of course it's not like it blows the wooting out of the water or anything like that :)
@@kwispyCS I agree the Drunk Deer is mind-blowing for its price but not better than the Wooting I don't know why you didn't make that more clear in the video but did in this comment.
trash keyboard, no new updates to the software for newer features (like socd) and the company uses AI images on their website. shows the quality.
Yeah cause SOCD is real useful for CS now :D
@@kwispyCS CS isn't the only game on the planet bucko, crazy i know.
owning a drunkdeer is like owning a car without the keys.
it got the hardware to so many things but due to the software it's garbage and can't do anything.
@@VixFumo it isn’t the you’re game, you’re right, but hopefully the other games are smart enough to follow suit and ban SOCD too.
Your analogy makes no sense lol.
I do agree however that DD’s software could be better and they are very slow to add new features.
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a good keyboard. If you disagree that’s fine, just try not to be an A$$ about it :)
@@kwispyCS it's just really obvious that you are exremely biased.
1: you didn't mention the software's many shortcomings and how limited it is compared to other keyboards.
2: you didn't mention the rapid trigger's 0.2->0.8 is worse than many other RT keyboards (even cheap ones) and tried to show how impressive it is.
3: the wooting does have lower latency than the DrunkDeer yet the graphs you show paint the picture that the DrunkDeer got much lower, which is misleading.
also funny how you think that 0.2->3.8 vs 0.1->4.0 is no big deal but less than 1ms latency difference is worth pointing out.
do better.
@@kwispyCS also, you are the same person who replied "now with SOCD I think it is significantly better :D", and now trying to say that you think it should be banned. honk honk 🤡
This is the worst review I have ever seen about any rapid trigger keyboard. The Wooting is currently superior to all other rapid trigger keyboards in an objective way. SoUnDs BeTtEr is not even true and subjective anyway. The Wooting is obviously more expensive than the Drunk Deer, but is also way worse in many aspects. The Software for the Drunk Deer is not even close to what the Wotility software for the Wooting can do. The actuation point isn't as adjustable and the overall build quality is way worse, which got completely ignored here: 4:55. The Drunk Deer dick riding made in this video is immense. You cherry-picked all the points for the overall comparison and ignored 90% of why the Wooting is so good. Don't get me wrong tho, the Dunk Deer is an amazing budget alternative for those who don't want to spend that much money on a keyboard.
Please stop cherry-picking pros and cons and make proper comparisons about the products you're reviewing.
Nice try Wooting... Lol jk, but I gotta say, I disagree with your feedback a little bit :)
I agree that sound is subjective - which was mentioned in the video.
Software is not as good - I agree and I mention in the video that the wooting has some additional features (that I don't value in any way) ie. dual actuation is one of the silliest inventions I've heard of - If you've tried it and found a good use for it and find it easy to use, I'd really like to hear about it.
"The actuation point isn't as adjustable"
Wooting is adjustable from 0.1 - 4.0 mm - in 0.1 mm increments
DrunkDeer is adjustable from 0.2 - 3.8 mm - in 0.1 mm increments
So the ONLY difference here is that the wooting can actuate at 0.1 mm rather than 0.2 mm and can be set 0.2 mm lower than the DrunkDeer - if that's somehow important to you I guess you're right, but I'd love to hear how that's an important difference.
Overall, from my perspective, which is what the video is, there more or less equally as useful - the difference being that the DD is $55 cheaper and for less than that you can add multiple quality mods.
And then there's the fact that you generally have to wait around 2 months for the Wooting.
I never said there was absolutely no way anyone should be buying a Wooting, I just stated my opinion and my opinion is that the DD is better value.
If you disagree that's perfectly fine, but I don't think I was d*ckriding.
Anyway, I appreciate your feedback and opinion - and that's not meant to be sarcastic lol
@@kwispyCS thanks for your answer. Ofc you can recommend someone the drunk deer because its much cheaper for only a bunch of downsides but you cant say that the drunk deer ist better which is objectivly wrong. For someone who doesnt have a Lot of Money at Hand the DD ist definitly the better Option.
@@kwispyCS that spacebar is so pingy. I have a fully moded wooting 60: Gummy oring friction mount, polyfill, tape mod, switch tape mod, and of course lubed switches. Fully removes uneven sound of the tray mount and removes the chattery upstroke sound. The sound is way better than that recording at 7 mins. Yes the board is cheaper but its certainly not better, even soundwise. The only big reason you have is price. Performance wise, wooting wins.
Also on the drunkdeer QnA "we currently do not recommend disassembling the A75 keyboard" just shows that the product isnt aimed at enthousiasts. While wooting encourages modding the board with full tutorials on youtube and a more indepth customization guide and info on discord, with things like case compatibility lists.
Not to mention one of the best customer service i have ever experienced. I notified a problem in the switch design, they fixed it with gateron within 2months and provided free replacements free shipping. Something you would never see from companies like razer.
As mentioned - it's extremely difficult to capture the proper sound with a mic - at least with my setup :)
You also just mentioned 5 mods, some of which not being very beginner friendly - I taped the PCB, lubed the switch and stuck a bit of tape in the spacebar - I would hope that yours sound better :D lol
@@kwispyCSI have the Wooting, DrunkDeer and VXE ATK 68. The VXE is the cheaper one and better overall. So much hype on the Wooting. 😅