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I build the most crazy modded 60HE some years back. The first gasket mounted one … (Sangeo 60 case). The only real issues were the plate mounted stabs, the holes in the bottom cases (this needs pe foam) and switch springs being crunchy as hell and feeling inconsistent. I was able to fix all of that other than the springs. I thought about launching a spring group buy but couldn’t be bothered. I don’t think this comes close to that board. But Wooting are learning. So hopefully they will get there at some point.
@@mikenelson263 nope. I just made a custom aluminium plate and used the kbdfans standoffs. Lubed the switches, made some pe foam with cutouts for the magnets. I wanted to make a second revision of the plate with better tolerances and open source that. But didn’t get to that yet.
@@philipp594 cool! Been thinking along those lines, how did you deal with the fixed usb port (no jst) on the pcb? I supposed there would just be room for the port to vibrate together with the cable?
Love the Hipyo critique. So much hurt and laughter here haha. You brought in an interesting perspective and there is a lot here we can debate on here when it comes to price, quality, and value. But, like you said, keyboards are subjective and you value different things more. If that weren’t the case, there wouldn’t be a 100$ keyset and 60-70$ switches on your modded set, which is almost the cost of the entire keyboard. We’ll take in your feedback and see how it can contribute in making an even better keyboard going forward.🎉
@toungebone I know that. It's just that the price didn't really change much since I first heard about it over a year ago. It's like a $25 USD difference between the 60HE and 80HE, and you're getting better upgrades and more features for that difference. I understand that many gamers would rather pick up the 60HE for the smaller size, but I also don't see a reason why not to sacrifice some desk space for a way better keyboard. I also want to see more competition from Wooting in the budget area. But there could be a 60HE V2 in the works, so they could drop it down one day.
Thanks for the reply! Sorry to the lovely people over at Wooting, no hard feelings, just high standards! - I will say I used the $100 keyset and $60-70 switches to give the 80HE the best possible chance, I actually pretty rarely use GMK keycaps and near $1 switches unless I'm going ALL out. - One of my favorite builds recently had $2 keycaps and $24 switches!
I got the first batch of Wooting HE. I still get new software features even if it is not the latest keyboard anymore. And they sent me replacement feet twice for free (once it got lost). The after sale support is just the best
Customer support is something that is rarely discussed in reviews but can significantly affect the 'real' long-term price you pay for a product. Although I admit that it's difficult to evaluate.
@@takutolovex The ctrl key just got stuck sometimes. Not mechanically, but nothing worked unless it was a ctrl+something shortcut until I pressed the ctrl a couple of times Was really annoying while gaming
Wooting is one of the VERY few companies that make ISO keyboards in multiple languages. It is nearly impossible to find decent keycap sets in, say, German or Spanish. It's a bummer you're bound to buying complete keyboards from large companies like Logitech because they're the only ones who can afford to manufacture for so many languages. I have massive respect for Wooting because of that.
I have almost 10 options for ISO keyboards in my wishlist, in a decent array for budget, finding ISO PCBs is the hardest part compared to keycaps legends at least for me.
@@GabrielP2R the hard part is finding one that is compatible with a non-standard board. “Oh your right shift is 1.75u? Now there are only 3 options left and they're all ugly!” I've once read a German custom keyboard blog site and they straight up recommend giving up using the ISO-DE QWERTZ layout because it's so hard to find a decent kit compared to the overabundance of ANSI-US QWERTY keyboards.
@@maurorivas3125 the ñ isn't the only difference on a Spanish keyboard, most punctuation is in different spots as well. It's all about economies of scale. If you can make something only once, the price is gonna be very high. If you can mass produce 1,000,000 of something, you can buy each one at a very low price. The custom keyboard market hasn't _really_ reached Europe yet because it's a very fragmented continent with tons of keyboard layouts that you as a manufacturer would have to accommodate for.
Decent review. Hall effect switches is a non-negotiable feature for anyone looking to buy a Wooting so in my opinion a lot more time should have been spent comparing it to other HE offerings. It's good to make people aware that when you go for HE switches you're majorly sacrificing your text-typing experience, but that doesn't need to take up so much of the review. It's kind of like reviewing a sports car and constantly pointing out that's it's not very comfortable to drive on your daily commute and that you can't really appreciate the horsepower on roads with speed limits.
Brother... Every other keyboard and switch name dropped in the video is HE. Only side comments to the greater custom keyboard community can be considered to be outside the HE specific comparison. He just doesn't make videos where the whole keyboard experience is presented in a head to head. It's a standalone review
But that's the point tho? You come to hippyo for his viewpoint, if you want a pro viewpoint you go to optimum or another pro gamer. Why ppl want youtubers to all have the same viewpoint?
Have you even watched the video? He compares it to several competing products which also use HE switches and points out why they’re better than the Wooting. Go to the 21 minute mark within chapter 6 to see. Hipyo is spot on. This keyboard feels too cheap to justify its pricing.
@@little_fluffy_cloudshe didn’t test or even mention why they are not in fact better. They’re all slower. He just doesn’t know enough about the gaming side of things to review HE switch keyboards.
don't get triggered but this review is like giving a MacBook /mac pro user a RTX 40X0 series equipped PC and he is complaining about the fan noise and power consumed by the GPU.
@@HipyoTech not a hate comment buddy just a interpretation of the review. Keep it with your great work. PS. complaining about fan noise and power consumption is valid.
Your analogy doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying that Hipyo is a brand loyalist that doesn't understand the selling point of an enthusiast setup? Because wooting is definitely the "apple" equivalent in this comparison, expensive, "it just works", and over hyped. If anything, you're the fanboy unhappy with Hipyo for saying an enthusiast priced product doesn't live up to an enthusiast's expectations.
@@AsianeseHe means it's like a person who loves the feel, looks, and sound of a mac is given to review something that's purely performance focussed and not minding those 3 before.
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 ty for the interpretation but I'm not buying it. Isn't the main performance metric of a keyboard the user experience? Are build quality, sound and feel not a significant contributor to the user experience? Wootings competition has basically matched it for features, you can make a case for software but they're catching up there too. So what's left to compare except the ux? And brand loyalty of course.
Got my 80 HE today and I don't understand Hipyo's concerns at all. Great quality, nice sound, amazing software features. This is the best gaming keyboard right now on the market and worth the price.
I got mine as well, it does sound and feel much better than the 60HE that I've used previously. Performance I can't really tell any difference, it's pretty much the same thing except layout and 1000Hz vs 8000Hz polling rate. I got the better layout that I wanted instead of 60% and it doesn't perform any worse while feeling much better. I'm happy.
@@The-Choo-Choo-Shoehi, I’m really in the market for a wooting after its recommendations. I watched this guy review the 60he and it seemed overly positive and was going to get it there and then. I saw the 80he and thought that is my preferred layout, but after watching this video I’m discouraged to buy it. Can you help?
@@jnr6521 if you play tactical FPS games like counter strike or valorant at a somewhat competitive level, or you play a lot of rhythm games like osu, then this keyboard can be helpful. Basically games where you need to time your inputs very precisely, I imagine fighting games would also probably feel better on one of these. If you just play games casually then the features like rapid trigger probably wont matter to you and you'll be better off spending the same amount of money on a keyboard with regular mechanical switches, as they will sound and feel much better at the same or even cheaper price. as for 60 vs 80, get whatever your preferred layout is, performance-wise they are essentially the same.
One thing i do appreciate about Wooting is the software support. The fact that they are still pushing updates to their older boards is incredible. Im still rocking my 60HE to this day and I still love it
SOCD was absolutely not the main advantage and rapid trigger is not SOCD. Respectfully this review was just kind of a miss for me not even from a wooting fanboy perspective, I use plenty of different boards currently an akko HE board. The entire review felt like a Rolls-Royce driver complaining about an F1 car not being comfortable yes both are cars but they’re made for different purposes.
I don't think he's complaining about the board. He's comparing it's price-point to the competition. I think he made it very clear that the only reason you would buy this specific HE board over the other recommended ones is for the software alone.
You are wrong , and the analogy makes no sense , at this price point , you should be able to get f1 performance with rolls royce luxury, with keyboards its not one or the other .
@@GolddEaglee you absolutely can with modding but unless you want a $500 keyboard you kinda stick with one main side especially since their actual target audience doesn’t care about really squishy gasket performance or non “gamer keycaps” I’ve put probably $500 into my 60he and it feels, looks, and performs amazingly but that’s not what everyone wants to do, hence why wooting offers just the pcb so when other cases and such come out you can have the freedom to build around it and spend as much as you want
@@ValJCIbut the white paint falling apart on the zinc alloy is a thing to work on for sure this just cant happen when you buy a "high quality" keyboard case I mean i ordered one and i love wooting but why didnt anybody know about this? They should have realitzed these paint issues long time ago, but why did nobody said something or why didnt they just paused the white zinc production to ensure their product works as intended. Kinda feels like they were trying to just not mention it and hope that nobody will notice it Anyways I am probably just gonna repaint mine on my own as soon as the paint looks scratched and all used up which probably will be after a week or so and them I am good. But with a case for like 200$ or so this should noz be necessary
Honestly, there are so many HE keyboards out there that have inconsistencies. With wooting you know the module and the software is on point. This cannot be said for the others, plus the wooting covers it with great support and warranty.
I hope there's gonna be a VIA standard equivalent of HE board, sometimes gotta get on that.. once there's one good standardized open source firmware and everyone just uses that then wooting will be forced to make better hardware. right now it feels like 10-15 years ago when QMK was barely a thing and only big manufacturers like Corsair and Razer and Logitech had useable software and everyone could get away with charging $200 for what's now considered $20 boards
@@v000000000000v Currently some of the enthusiast HE PCBS like the Geonworks Venom HE are standardizing on the Rakku HE online software. I think its just a matter of time for VIA to get some form of HE support as well.
Only other option is SteelSeries, which arguably have better software, it just depends on what you want and the SS does have some extra features for the same amount of money with an included magnetic wrist rest and screen. The screen is w/e but it can be fairly useful honestly.
I tried a lot of different HE keyboards, wooting is one of the best but no longer the best for me(at least the 60 HE) so this(imo) is just plain wrong. But of course if you are going to spend the big money, you want the proper support from Wooting. The problems are seemingly still there on the 80 HE.
First of all, as a gamer, *some of us* care about sound ;) I ordered a 80HE back in march (I was one of the 23k mentioned ) and it’s coming October 4th, so I’ve been kinda on the lookout for 80HE content. I don’t mind the big price tag that much as I see it as also paying for the trust, customer support and reliability (as mentioned in the video) Also the keyboard I’m coming from, pretty much anything is an upgrade. But other than that it’s nice to see some insight on the 80HE from someone that isn’t wooting, and I’m still hella excited for it to arrive
I am also one of those 23K people and mine isn't even in the warehouse yet. You can't even confirm your address until Sept 30th if you're NA. Guessing you paid for expedited shipping? Range for delivery is like the 4th-19th of October.
I got the 80HE today, and the reason I got it was because I respect and like Wooting as a company. And they make good keyboards (and software!) even though it might more expensive than the competition. Also it wasn't extremely expensive to ship around europe.
As someone that bought a china rebrand HE 75% and spent enough money in upgrades to have it cost more than the plastic 80HE kit, I ended up placing an order today for the 80HE plastic kit. The software on my current board has just been atrocious,. no easy way to switch profiles, questionable actuation points, having the lighting profile forget what i'ts supposed to do whenever I launch the utility, and initial promise of a web utility that' was promised at launch but its been 8months and nothing. So yeah, buying the 80HE for the software and transferring the WS Dashes over from my current board. Software + Transparency + Support is what Wooting has going for them and it makes all the difference.
@@HipyoTech currently using a wraith w75 that I mainly bought for the case color lol and just ordered the 80HE kit with the smoke black case and also ordered the white ghost case to mix and match.
Exactly, Hippyo review this time is absolute ass. No direct comparison but saying it's overpriced while knocking it with fingers like little baby. WTF You hypothetically can make DIY keyboard that thock the way you want, but it will always end like your case. Absolute trash mix with software made by AI that barely works. End of topic.
I agree that for a lot of people, the features marketed towards gaming won't be that beneficial. That being said, I think you continue to drastically undersell the value of those features to people who do want them. A few months ago I was in the market for a new keyboard and passed over the Wooting 60HE specifically because of your review, as your channel was pretty much all I was watching at the time for keyboards. Fast forward a few months, and I'm kicking myself for not getting a Wooting earlier now that I actually understand what rapid trigger does and how it works in games.
While I do believe he's underselling, it really isn't that big of a game changer. If you truly understand what it does then you shouldn't be kicking yourself. There's Hipyo who undersells RT, and then there's Optimum Tech who oversells it.
@@chickencoopououwu2584 i dunno, i just sort of see it as a "why not use it if you can" sort of thing. also, he pretty much only talks about its application in games like valorant and cs while rhythm games like osu got glossed over except for a small mention right at the very end. as someone who plays a lot of rhythm games, it is very frustrating to have to play around where the actuation points on my keyboard are, while knowing that there are alternatives that solve that issue. sure optimum may oversell it a bit, but i think his review of the 60HE highlights its features much better without overhyping it to the point of shilling.
Even talking to the wooting guys, its vastly oversold. It has concrete advantages where it shines - a few spots where its really good and for that people should want it! But its vastly vastly oversold as a gaming cureall.
@@chickencoopououwu2584i wrote a long reply to this and youtube just kinda… ate it i think. anyway tldr i wish he had talked about its use for rhythm games more as thats where rapid trigger has really shined in my experience, plus just how much of an advantage having software that actually works reliably is. i’ve returned multiple cheaper rapid trigger keyboards now for their spotty software that doesn’t work well. i will give him props for highlighting their software, but i really do think it kind of does make up for how average or even below average everything else is.
That's why it's important to always take input for multiple sources. People are biased. Being smart and knowledgeable doesn't mean you are immune to being biased and to having bad takes.
I hate people complaining about this tech in OSU. It's a game where you are literally recommended to go out and buy additional hardware to play it. It feels very hypocritical that drawing tablets are lauded while hall effect switches are hated. Both give an advantage over those who do not own the hardware
i think it's a bit 50/50 since there are people who are as good as tablet players using mouse. there are also multiple top players that swapped back to mouse from tablet and improved. but hall effect is a one sided advantage. it is 100% the better option. i don't think it's an issue (unless you're using cloutiful method), but that argument is a bit wonky
Drawing tablets are not an advantage over a mouse tho. Hall effect keyboards are straight up better then normal mechanical keyboards they do have an advantage but some people really over estimate it
No one complain about HE switch we complain about some of their broken feature that is litteraly cheating (incomparable to things like switching mouse to tablet), Wooting litteraly got famous because the first community that made it popular is the osu! community (wooting said themself on their website, where they explain what rapid trigger is).
I guess every pro players have better hardware? Not everyone can afford the best PC to get the lowest FPS. An RTX 4090 is much more expensive than a keyboard.
I'm usually the cheapskate, but if I were getting a magnetic switch board for gaming (instead of just messing around with), I would 100% pay for Wooting, their openness and transparency is absolutely fantastic. But I don't care about gaming, I just want a 65%, and I got a magnetic switch board for 109usd, so I'm gonna go for that
@@late8138 i already own 3 regular keebs. I like to play around with different kinds of tech. I do more messing around with things rather than playing or getting any work done 😆
If you like a quite keyboard, why not membrane?🤔 If he prefers thocky sound, why not use a low profile? They sound thocky out of the box as he showed in one of his video's.
For me it's the latency difference that wins me over with Wooting. I didn't know the latency difference was a factor when I bought my 60he. I just knew about the actuation customisation which is why I bought it to begin with. And then when I swapped out my old keyboard, the immediate first thing I noticed was how responsive it was (you need to enable a setting for this responsiveness in case anyone out there hasn't done it yet). I didn't even realize how much input lag my old keyboards had until I swapped for the 60he. I preordered the 80he as I prefer having the F key row but I agree that it's very overpriced compared to the 60he which I personally think is reasonable for the performance vs other gaming keyboards that are just overpriced e-waste with RGB added for marketing to unsuspecting gamers
Yeah I wanted to try my Ducky kb again on Osu and it had a lot of latency compared to Wooting, every note felt like a half of second with ducky meanwhile on wooting was instantaneous
When I saw you doing a review I thought you might not like it. 1. This isn’t a thocky keyboard (so you won’t like it for that). 2. Its primary purpose is not to type on. 3. It’s not really a custom keyboard in the same way others you regularly review are. What it is, is a top end low latency gaming keyboard designed to give high level / competitive / e-sports folk the best response time and capabilities. So someone like yourself (not knocking you) are not really in that demographic. Keep up the good work on the channel, I just think you were a bit off on this one.
@HipyoTech Cause HE keys are fundamentally trading feel for performance. The mounting style could've been improved and the case coating for the white could've also been better but the switches themselves there's just not many other options other than a complete redesign of how HE switches are designed and produced. Like trading in a Rolls Royce for an F1 car.
But that's the point tho? You come to hippyo for his viewpoint, if you want a gamer viewpoint you go to optimum or another pro gamer. Why ppl want youtubers to all have the same viewpoint?
yeah and he also said in his conclusion that he’s ALSO coming from the perspective of a seasoned gamer-including competitive tactical fps background (where actuation/reset and snaptap is most impactful), sooo like kinda just sounds like our commenter here didn’t watch the vid til the end lmao
Honestly I'm glad you gave your honest opinion, i know this was hard to do since the Wooting community would attack you but I think this is fair criticism. I just hope you still do a video modding and improving the board.
Agreed, I'm a Wooting fan but a lot of his points were good and it's nice to hear someone go in-depth about what doesn't work for them so other people can make a better judgement on whether they should spend money on it. I personally think it's overpriced for what you get and it's even more disappointing with all the delays for the preorders but as I said, I'm a fan of Wooting keebs and my preferences differ from Hipyo, I personally love my 60he and I'm looking forward to the 80he. The performance is very noticeable for me so I can overlook some of the issues. But for others it might be a deal breaker
I have a Black Zinc case arriving in less than 2 days I will post a small "overview" on my channel, and I can give my thoughts from a Q1 HE and 60HE+ user.
@@Aerobrakecould you give a detailed comparison between the q1 HE and wooting HE keyboards? im stuck between the two. i mainly want one for the SOCD tech tbh
As someone who pre-ordered the white zinc case version and constantly bumps their mouse into the keyboard, I am quite worried considering it cost me $450 CAD....
Its so funny to me that nobody talks about the feature anymore that was the initial reason for creating Wooting keyboards. The analog feature. Sure most people consider it an unnecessary feature, but for me personally it is actually the best feature, since I play a lot of immersive sims, where analog movements give you that extra amount of flexibility. Also in games that have driving. Its just amazing.
I got the wooting 60he+ prebuild. And ended up swapping the case for a tofu redux and the switches for gateron and the keycaps for some cooler pbt ones. All in I spent about 500+ euro, which imo is not worth it, but I wanted to give an analog keyboard a good try. The software is amazing, you can run in in the browser, you don't need to even download anything which is great and safe. I do prefer it for games as the input is way more responsive. For outside of games I still use my 3d printed dactyl manuform with zeal clickiez switches. So if you are going to treat the wooting as a purely gaming keyboard, then thats where it shines. Would be cool if it ran QMK firmware like my main keyboard, but having the software run in the browser is an acceptable compromise. You can update the keyboard firmware through the browser too which is pretty cool. Overall I like the wooting 60he+, but its more for working adults as you need to dump a lot of money into it. If I were still in college I would have tried one of the cheaper chinese hall effect keyboards instead.
When you purchase the HE60 prebuilt you're paying for the module. You get a working KB that you can customize to your liking. Hot swapping is made simple and requires less force to remove than other brands, IMO it's the best gamming keyboard on the market.
Honestly, I think the adjustable actuation point is a severely underrated feature, I've been stuck using a shitty gaming keyboard for years and I was constantly pressing a million other keys accidentally while trying to type because of how sensitive the actuation point was. Having just two actuation point profiles; one for typing and another for gaming is a big quality of life improvement
I recently ordered the 60HE+, and the 80HE's size is really the only thing going for me. Since the software updates update for every keyboard, I think the 60HE+ is enough. I also think you shouldve talked about rythym games more, as it is a huge reason for many people (including me).
I just got on the wooting train and bought my first wooting 60 HE a week ago, and yes it is more expencive then other HE keybaords but the softwhere is just wortrh it. in my opinion. U can always upgrate your switches and or case. but the you are stuck with the software. so best take the one that has the best software.
You clearly dont understand the people that this keyboard is marketed to or the actual advantages this has. Personally Ive played 1.5k hours of geometry dash (with my hardest demon being within the top 177) and I have the wooting keypad, and for GD hall effect switches are incredibly good, to the point that the majority of the top playerbase uses them, and they are so clearly better than regular switches. Ive also played 1.2k hours of apex and having put a lot of time into movement again its clear how much of an impact rapid trigger would make. Not to mention that the sound doesnt really matter if your wearing headphones, again which the majority of the people who this keyboard is made for will. This review just shows that you have no perspective on any actual top level gaming (even outside of pro and top ranked play), and instead just seems like a large rant about hall effect keyboards in general. Its just not your type of keyboard so you dont care about the features and software youre buying, but that doesnt mean other people dont or shouldnt care themselves. Disappointing review.
Price doesn't justify what you're getting for the average consumer, that was the point of his review. Most people have better things to do than play geometry dash for 1.5k hours, don't take this review so personally. He keyboards do not greatly benefit the average person.
@@andreibelittchenko5956 But there IS a market for it, and it's quite a big one. You simply don't give all luxurious cars a bad review just because it "doesn't justify what you're getting for the average consumer". That is horrible logic.
@crypix At no point did i say there was not a market for it. Sweaty casuals who take games they dont make money on too seriously may be a part of his audience, but that is not his average viewer. Its also not who he is. He gave his perspective, im confused and what you expected? This isn't an optimum tech video.
@crypix When I watch a high end custom keyboard review, there are gamers crying all over the comments "$600 and no hall effect!?! Not worth it. " Same idea, opposite perspective. You have to learn that other people have different ideas than you and that's okay. Your keyboard reviewer of choice does not need to parrot your opinion for his perspective to be valid.
@@andreibelittchenko5956 I never said he needs to have same opinion as me. I'm just disappointed that his tone in the intro seems to imply it's good for nobody. He could've been more objective but instead said "so we don't have to try it".
Calder is a real nice guy having met him years ago and his commitment to make a good board is real even sitting for hours in a train to talk about what i would do. i'm happy to hear their software is good...i just joined a GB for a €500 + board so i'm not a stranger to high end boards and paying for it.. But zinc allow and the paint job needs more explanation is it powder coated ? i have no specific use for hall effect i'm more in to hmx, bsun switches pre-lubed nice stabs you know the rabbit hole haha.. BTW i love the silk screen on the bottom of the plate that tells you all the parts of your pcb .. i have never seen this before it's fun to read .. Really cool Wooting.. Goed gedaan gasten !
Those marks left by the keycap puller are NOT scratches in the keyboard case, they are metal from the puller being left on the case finish. That's why a magic eraser will take them off. The texture of the case is just abrading the soft metal of the keycap puller. The solution is to not rub soft metal items all over your keyboard case.
Also you DO NOT want a bunch of squish in a keyboard designed to customize the key's actuation point in 0.1 mm increments. Having a soft, squishy feel would ruin the whole point of this design.
@@joeshmoe9233 sadly that's not the whole picture, the finish is easily broken thru and can leave permanent grooves. I posted a pic on my Instagram story. I would say test it out but I don't want people to ruin their cases 😅
@@cookie2843 I don't think flex is bad at all for HE keyboards. You mostly want the magnet to pcb distance to remain consistent. Flex has both local and global components. You can get good global flex (the whole module moves up and down) and a little local flex (slight bending around the key you press) without necessarily disrupting the performance of the switches.
Your problem, one many people have, is you’re asking the wrong question. I don’t care if HE features make me “better” at games. I care if it makes them _feel better_ to play. This is the same mistake that people who think high refresh displays are worthless if you don’t play FPS’s competitively. It’s not about making you better. It’s about making it feel better.
The fact that you claim to be the target audience while showing the equivalent of a CS players first 10 hours in the game has convinced me this is primarily ragebait for clicks. Same energy as people who think high hz TN panel users are insane despite the entirety of the CS pro scene using them. Your most valid critiques are with the case though, although you even ragebaited at that by calling it a "scratch" that somehow can rub off with a magic eraser (??????????????????????). I don't even want to talk about the spending money on coaching instead... Do you even understand the difference between mechanical skill and game sense/strategy?
Nice review, really honest, you have good points. I bought an 80 HE zinc alloy black and should be here tomorrow morning, but I don't regret buying it. Things I hate: the rubber feet. Things I don't like: the layout, the case (I would swap if someone makes a good quality alu case) Things I don't mind: switches and keycaps (I will swap them anyway), rgb and led bar Things I really like: software, warranty, Hall Effect implementation, supporting a small company with a nice attitude with a team very passionate about what they are doing, even if i disagree with a lot of choice they made ahahah
Other companies have same software as wooting. Sorry, but nobody can say that wootings „rapid trigger” works better than any others… xD SOCD is mostly banned (other companies brought this option as well so its not luxury for wooting). I see no reason to pay such price for such mediocre keyboard.
@BLCKNDWTHN I'll be honest....I haven't seen a keyboard with better software. I tried two others and both were just not as good. As for SOCD only game that has it banned is CS2...for now.
The software actually has a tangible impact on using the gaming keyboard, well as a gaming keyboard! Most of his criticisms regarding the "quality" of plastic vs aluminum, the lack of frivolous details like back weights, etc, have absolutely 0 bearing on its intended function. Wooting set out to make the best competitive keyboard out there and by most metrics they have, their target demographic just doesn't have much overlap with keyboard enthusiasts who think heavy keyboard = "wow high quality" and that's fine.
I don't see anyone mentioning on top of their top of the line software, their support is also top tier. I don't see any other manufacturers going out of their way to make videos on enhancements, defects, or issues. Or putting up polls to ask their customers what features they would like or prefer, and then quickly adding those enhancements. I am sorry, but this type of keyboard is not all about build quality and acoustics, even though those are important to some. The zinc alloy case looks awesome to me, and you should use different switches than those pos lekkers... such as jade pros/maxes or geon raws. Is it more expensive than cheaper options? Yes... but you get what you pay for. I don't see this keyboard being a ripoff whatsoever.
@@billbob9692 I'm a gamer who took increasing my rank seriously, I've realized that that increase won't happen from a few small ms increase from rapid trigger but rather methodical improvement and gear that feels comfortable and satisfying to me. Just because something is a target does not mean you hit that target
@@HipyoTech HE buttons are more responsive they also are let you customize actuation distance. They have abilities similar to joysticks for movement allowing for an analogue range of motion instead of binary. Just because a feature doesn't increase your ranking in a game doesn't mean it's useless for gaming. Saying that HE is just regular keys but faster feels misleading to me.
@@billbob9692What is the point if it doesn't make you better? I think people expect this to be magic but it's not, so deserves to be reviewed as a premium product that isn't as good as some cheaper, better products. They're living off being early to market as a gaming keyboard and didn't really innovate much, while retaining the exclusive pricing.
@@HipyoTech Gear won't make up for a lack of skill, but it will raise the potential skill ceiling. There's a reason basically every professional player has switched to hall effect keyboards. As someone who plays Quake I can tell you that movement, dodging and strafe aiming is significantly easier on hall effect boards than it ever was with "nice sounding" mechanical switches (I have 2 custom mechanicals), same shit with rapid trigger and counterstrafing in CS. It is measurably easier to do with a Hall Effect board and that's why people who are actually good have switched to it. If you don't notice a difference and like your other boards better, more power to you. But this is the same argument used by low skill players who swear there's no reason to go above 60hz refreshrate.
It makes sense from a price standpoint to show other better more high value mechanical keyboards, but when you think for a moment that the only reason Wooting got popular and people would be interested in buying them is the fact that they're hall effect. The only reason people are clicking on a video about the Wooting 80HE is cause they know what a Wooting is. It comes across as a little tone-deaf towards the actual people who would be interested in buying the Wooting 80HE when Hipyo barely mentions the hall effect performance and doesn't show any better hall effect keebs, only showing mechanical ones. I don't expect him to go into immense detail on the latency, showing graphs etc. That's for other reviewers to do. Regardless, it's still an interesting watch to see the Wooting 80HE from a mechanical keyboard purist's point of view. This isn't a hate comment by the way. My intention is that this can be seen as constructive criticism. 🙏
Apples to oranges, Hipyo is NOT a gamer.. he is more of a custom kb kinda of guy. You dont get the wooting to customize it, i smore like a luxury that you can. Actual hardcore gamers, would like the KB for what it offers. I got it for the gaming aspect, not to make it sound like i am creaming my pants.
Wooting really needs to make things right regarding the quality problems. Two reviews I've watched highlighted immediate problems with the white zinc version. What they decide to do at this point will decide if I'm going to cancel my pre-order or not. Very disappointing that they couldn't get this right given all the time we've been waiting for this keyboard to come out. Thanks for the honest review Hipyo.
It's because early reviewers got the PVT (production verification test) units aka pre-production units. It should be ironed out for the normal production cycles but we'll have to see what others say about it from the soon to be shipped batch 1 units.
The reason why I am okay with the wooting price is because I know I am buying an artisan product from a reputable company. It is a complete product that I do not have to spend hours thinking how to make it better. This is coming from someone who spent money buying different switches, accessories, and keycaps. Someone who spent hours learning and modding keyboards. I could have saved my time and money for something else. Maybe I am in the stage of my life where I am okay paying more so i dont have to worry about it.
There are plenty of good and better sounding stock and customizable boards to choose from. Nothing here is gonna sound even close. "Complete product" is kinda wild
@takutolovex better sounding is subjective. A complete keyboard means you get everything you need, a functional keyboard. Most "better sounding" keyboard requires you to mod such as lubing and tape mod. 80he already have it. "Better sounding" keyboard would mean spending your own time to look and try different switches. It is an endless pit. Like looking for an end game mouse. It never is an end game
As someone who is about to return a Logitech G915 - DO NOT underestimate the importance of good software. If you're buying a Hall-Effect board for gaming then that super sexy build quality isn't going to do you any good when it comes to configuring your board to do what you ACTUALLY want it to do.
I’m in the lower ranks of CS2 (nova), it’s severely understated how much better my counter strafing has improved with the wooting 60he+. In particular, my movements feel more snappy when I prefire/clear angles. I think that the wooting won’t be helpful for people who don’t put in smart effort into improving their movement I could have bought a cheaper option, but I think of the wooting as buying a more expensive Nvidia gpu options for marginal improvements, because I can. When you’re wearing a headset, things like keyboard sound don’t matter much. You will probably own multiple keyboards anyway if that is your hobby, so the wooting won’t be your nice sounding/feeling keyboard
*People who liked the 60HE+ but just didn't love the 60% layout, will definitely be pleased with the 80HE.* It has better switches, better acoustics, better case options, lower latency, 8K polling, LED bar, gasket mount etc and the price is basically the same as the 60HE+ with the PCR case. I think the Ghost PCR case looks pretty dope too bad you didn't get to try it.
i think this review is amazing on every front except for the gaming side. firstly, as someone who has used everything from cheap modded optical keyboards to expensive mechanical gaming keyboards, I can say that HE keyboards are 100% software reliant, and when you compare the wooting keyboards to anything cheaper, or even more expensive keyboards, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of consistency and level of perfection. gaming has a huge range of experience. as someone who daily drove a membrane keyboard, then an optical keyboard, then tried a mechanical keyboard, and then an HE keyboard, they definitely all can be used well, but there's clear winners. (for me, mechanical < membrane < optical < HE, but the mechanical keyboard i tried had cherry blue switches otherwise it beats the membrane) when you look at how inputs are processed with an optical or mechanical keyboard, you have to adapt to what your keyboard is doing, regardless of how customized it is. with the wooting, it does what you need it to do no matter what, just change the settings. this has a higher effect the better you are at games and the more sensitive you are to those changes. for me, im really sensitive to any change in my gaming space. fps, refresh rate, mice, keyboards, headphones, all of it. when i play with an HE keyboard, its the only time that i can truly forget about using the keyboard as a tool and just playing purely off reaction. every other keyboard ive ever used, and that includes the razer HE keyboard, it felt like a keyboard in game. all the "gimmicks" you stated all also have use, especially outside of ultra popular competitive games like cs2, valorant, and overwatch. wanna use rappy snappy in a game of redmatch 2? i garuntee you nobody will stop you. i play lots of indie games at their smaller, competitive levels, and having an HE keyboard truly does make a difference in a lot of these games. many of these games just arent big enough for this kind of stuff to need to be restricted. lastly, i want to once again say how much i loved this review from the keyboard enthusiast side. i am a bit disappointed at how you always compare keyboards with what you "should expect at that price point" because it makes it seem like you overhype cheap keyboards and give misleading ideas. if you say these keyboards are cheap and arent worth getting, a gamer will just get a keyboard that straight up wont give them the experience they were looking for. i get it, its a lot for the experience that YOU want. but once again, gamers will game on a keyboard with cherry blue switches and no stabilizers if it means a seamless gaming experience. this is #1 for people who care about gaming, and you make it sound like its not. i would love it if you in some way told us "this is how much this keyboard is worth" so we can at least look at your multiple videos and be like "this is what im willing to spend, and this is the best for my buck". if you're willing to make a website for it, look at what crinacle does for IEMs and headphones, he's got a whole website built for those looking for the best experience. if you read this far, congrats! you get a cookie! 🍪
So you don't like Hall Effect keyboards but instead of making a review around it you are comparing them in terms of sound and feeling to conventional switches. Like... What's the point in comparing to completely different things?
Because its a keyboard, not a completely different product. there is no way on earth I'm gonna spend $200 on a plastic, bad sounding, keyboard that scratches easily, without being a professional in a field that requires Wootings brand specifically. Sound is very important for people in the keyboard field, and spending $200 on a board with absolutely zero external attraction is absurd.
Fair but I think you missed my point, it's that you should compare hall effect with normal keyboards. One of my main points in my video is that they aren't that different for the vast majority of people who want a keyboard. At the end of the day its a totally fair comparison to compare one kind of keyboard switch with another, especially when you layout the pros and cons of both. A lot of people don't need the hall effect switch or won't benefit from rapid trigger and they should know about alternatives
@@mask_snake107no one’s telling you to spend the $200 or to get wooting specifically lol Btw hipyo got an early review unit so the scratching on the white zinc alloy shouldnt be prevalent in the units that are being sent out rn. Even if it were to be prevalent it’d be covered by warranty.
HE has come a long way in a short time in terms of accessibility, and since it's gaining some market popularity, I don't think it will take too long before we have some competitive switch options in the space.
Personally, I don't see the point of buying the prebuilt, For me its all about the build. Having said that, you're paying for the module for the most part when you purchase the prebuilt.
Keychron Q1 MAX user here. I decided - on purpose - against optical or HE switches. The Q1 MAX sounds and feels incredible, the build quality is just top notch. Wouldn't want to change anything. And I've never been THAT competitive to abstain from the feeling of quality lubed mechanical switches.
Hey, at least it's not Logitech and their proprietary bs that will probably start double clicking because it's Logitech and because it's not hotswappable you'll need a whole new keyboard lol
I was eyeing this until I saw you had to preorder it, ended up cutting costs a bunch and snagged the Lemokey P1, tossed some gateron whites in there and I'm in love.
I honestly love so much that hippyo review this keyboard as a typer mostly and not a gamer. Every reviewers and their dog reviews it the same way, so having a different viewpoint is great. This is the problem on UA-cam nowadays, reviewers are all saying the same thing.
Ooof seeing you use a G502 almost makes any of your gaming/FPS opinions invalid for me. I respect your criticisms but your review seemed to focus more on comparing non-gaming features to conventional mechanical keyboards than actual other gaming HE keyboards. It would have been more interesting seeing a comprehensive comparison to other HE keyboards or even a super modded 60HE. I watched the whole video and even replayed some parts but I hope you take this as constructive criticism instead of a hater comment. P.S. Please get a better office chair, your butt and back will be happier later in life! I highly recommend Herman Miller or Steelcase chairs, even if they are used!
The funny part is he did a whole video on Herman Miller Embody, speaking with an ergonomics expert and realizing that chair are also unique designs and not one style will be ideal for every person. Thus realizing that the Herman Miller Embody was not for him. But the amount of copium here for Wooting is insane. We got all these pro gamers I've never heard of coming into his comment section to explain "Well, actually..." to a UA-camr that literally reviews and builds keyboards for a living. Also criticizing the mouse someone uses also makes no sense. I bet my right nut a professional gamer that has won titles can beat you in whatever game you play using an old trackball mouse.
@@brunoyuji9203 The Embody is but one model and is pretty limited in the ideal demographic of users. If strictly speaking HM, the Aeron and Mirra2 are better universal fits and are all mesh like his current chair. Both can be had used for $300-400, sometimes cheaper as the demand for them has vastly declined, especially in a dense techy city like Seattle. You say criticizing a mouse makes no sense, yet you fail to state why it makes no sense. I said a G502 makes his FPS opinions invalid for me (again to emphasize >> FOR ME
@@brunoyuji9203 he builds keyboards but isn't good at using them lol. Also i don't think he is criticizing the mouse, its just that most of the fps gamers have already switched away from mouse like g502 so hipyo doesn't feel like he is part of the fps crowd this keyboard is for. That trackball analogy is stupid tho some mouse can straight up not track faster movements at all
@@brunoyuji9203 The Embody is just one model. If looking at HM, the Aeron or Mirra2 are better universal fits and can be had used for 300-400 as well as being all mesh like his current chair. I never once insulted him or his FPS skills, but you took it personally like I insulted you instead. Are you a G502 user? Did I hurt your feelings? Any FPS gamers who are remotely competitive will lean towards lighter weight mice just like they will prefer HE keyboards for the faster input speed. A person playing with a 60Hz monitor will always be at a disadvantage against others who play at 120-400+ Hz. It's obvious Hipyo is a very casual gamer at least for FPS games and he has a preference for thocky non-HE keyboards so this was never going to be well reviewed by him. That said, I gave clear criticism on the "why" his review of a gaming keyboard was focusing on non-gaming features and the "how" to improve it by comparing it to more HE gaming keyboards. Disclaimer: I have no Wooting products, I'm just a fellow keyboard enthusiast that started back in early 2012.
@@brunoyuji9203 him trying to undermine the impact of Rapid Trigger was enough for me to know that Hippyo has no idea on how to judge competitive gaming keyboards.
I agree with your points, but Im not sure I agree with the way you're making your argument with rapid trigger. It is a feature that shines brighter on pros' hands, and indeed you should look at your own skills and the price of this board to determine if its worth it, but that is no reason to dismiss it. A good comparison to pull here is high refresh rate monitors, it was an expensive tech that people needed to look at whether they can take enough advantage of it to make it worth the price, but once you go there you don't go back, because it is as good as the people said it was, and it was just expensive. HE needs to be made cheaper, not dismissed, just like HFR did a couple years ago. God damn these days 240hz is like sub 300. Anyway, got K2 HE on pre order, much lower price tag therefore it really just need to good HE to justify its price for me. That zinc alloy casing is a mighty disappointment, not to mention the lack of wireless made it a hard choice anyway.
The price tag keeps coming up in this video. For me, a big part of why I accept it, is that I want to support a company that seems to be driving the development of gaming keyboards. I’m prepared to pay a premium for that.
I ordered the V2 switches for my 60 HE and I strongly disagree with the "barely better" take over the originals. The V2 (L45) Lekker Switch is a massive improvement in both sound and stem wobble over the originals.
I bought the polar 75 pro around a month ago and love it. 160 bucks, metal border on the case that feels really good, and awesome performance in game. Wooting is definitely putting a wooting tax on this board and know people are going to hype it up in reviews while ignoring its shortcomings.
I actually mostly got the wooting 80he because I want to try the hall effect switches. I have heard how hall effect switches are incredibly smooth. Funny enough in this 23:21 minute review, you never talked about it. You mentioned many times they feel bad or "lack luster" and then immediately demonstrate how they sound. Are you only judging the feel and typing experience on the sound of the switch? As it seems this is the case. Also what did you not like about the ABS case? Was it not machined properly, was it not tight fitting or the surface finishing or texturing to your liking? I almost bought a Norbauer custom case for my topre board for Frosted Polycarbonate for like 560 plus dollars. Just the case, so it is obvious quality. Are you not liking the case because of the weight/sound only? As from sound tests I seem to much prefer the abs and I do not like heavy keyboards
Putting 100$ boards without hall effect as "context" is disingenuous. I can, and do, change the actuation distance on my full wooting keyboard regularly, depending on whether Im playing games or writing code. There literally is no other type of keyboard that can do this. The only keyboards that come close cost the same or more.
@@HipyoTechthe M1 v3 is a standard MX switch keyboard... I'm decently sure that I can't press a button and go from a setting optimized for how I like to type while coding to how I like to play Minecraft on that one... Again, it's disingenuous to put an entirely different type of device as context to something that is just radically different. I don't compare a baking oven to a toaster and then shit on the oven for being too expensive to make toast...
@@Argoshhe said M1 v3 HE (hall effect) there are HE versions aswell and far better build and the software is very good aswell. Read properly before replying 😂
Hello Hipyo! I am on a bit of a quest right now and hope you can point me in the right direction, since the 80HE failed... I am looking for: - 75% with a Knob and ISO-DE layout - Decent Gasket performance - Relatively good sound out of the Box. - VIA/QMK or at least decent software for Macros (not like ASUS...) Since the ISO-DE requirement is the most limiting factor the Keyboards I am currently eyeing are: - Keychron Q1 MAX - Lemokey P1 Pro - Monsgeek M1W V3 If you have a tip or better Alternatives I am really thankful. I already have pretty nice Keycaps from PBTFans, so those won't be an issue
I think your critique is reasonable. Would have liked to get my hands on a wooting keyboard, but not at that price. I have disposable income but lack the time to sink hundreds of hours onto Apex Legends nowadays. Which is why I got a used (but almost new) huntsman V2 for 45 bucks from a guy in my neighborhood instead, who upgraded to a wooting 💁 I'm not enough of a pro to make the most of hall effect switches and the huntsman was cheap enough to be happy with it (and it works quite well without the bloated software!)
I don't like how wooting dropped the "razer style" curved edge of the front of the 60HE with the 80HE. It also seems like the plastic case design is a lot more flimsy. I personally don't really like the feel of metal cases because I have my keyboard sitting on my lap a lot of the time when reclined in my chair. I just wish more people offered curved front edges on keyboard cases, even metal ones. It's just way more comfortable to not have a sharp or any real edge in my opinion.
@@maxzoRHD which is why I prefer his gaming keyboard video's because he us coming from the perspective of a casual gamer which is most people and let's be honest for most people they aren't good enough to truly take advantage of it. And he also cares about quality more which is in my opinion the biggest factor.
@@Bobaboy17if you aren’t buying this keyboard as a pro or someone trying to maximize the features you probably shouldn’t be buying it. A lot of it’s price tag is these features or involved with these features such as (so far) forever software upgrades
@shuhei9571 yeah that's why I like it as most people just think they will instantly become good with it but it doesn't do that but they think it does because of pros saying it does but hipyo is just a casual like most people.
I spent almost $400 on a badass wooting 60he build, it’s the best keyboard I’ve ever held, and as a wannabe pro the Hall effect switches are definitely worth it
how can you get it to a $400 price point i just bought the zinc keyboard(white unfortunately) and i think some accessories and i dont think i got it to 400
@@ogdmoqqi6473 yes it's very important, a thing you cannot feel or prove it's difference and we are at a point where you need to use machines to check differences... latency lives in your head rent free at this point lmao There was a moment when Wooting was mile ahead of anyone else, but the Chinese companies are catching up as they keep updating the firmwares.
I just put together my first custom mechanical keyboard (coming from a 7+ year old Corsair K95 Platinum) and decided to stick with traditional switches seeing how many more options there are for sound, feel, color and budget. There are a few boards out there now with pcbs that can take 5 pin switches or HE, I'm hoping that we eventually get some kind of hybrid switch design that gives us the versatility in feel for typing and the analog control for gaming.
There's some feeling I had about not pre ordering, I didn't know what it was but I decided to hold off on pre ordering and thank God I did, I hope they fix these issues and reduce the price because that's just ridiculous.
I don't think the sound is that important on keyboards, as long as it is not obnoxiously distracting I would rather have quieter switches, the quieter the better tbh. Maybe for some people the clickity clack is comforting, but it really does not do anything for my gameplay.
This is the worst part about keyboard reviewers. They talk about this stupid sound profile, but the only thing I want is "quiet". The entire hobby of keyboard enthusiast care more about sound than actual typing or usefulness.
@@brettmurf It is indeed baffling. I think part of that is because the average person can't tell the difference between most of the features but can tell if the sound is different. After all, the only things a youtube video can directly convey are the look and sound of a keyboard. Anything else like feel would be very much descriptive and not the same.
I wouldn't come here for a real generalist's review on the keyboard. Hipyo holds extremely niche opinions on keyboards based on things regular consumers likely won't care about. The nitpicking is very specific and tailored to his desired experience. Keep and hold this video with a grain of salt.
Just buy any HE keyboard that works for you... There are already many good options in the market. Melgeek Made 68 Pro, Sikakeyb HM66, Everglide SU68 / SU75, and so on...
100% agree with the part about buying better hardware just to become a better gamer, good players like Aceu can still destroy most players with a g502 and a membrane keyboard. People should be improving their basic game skills/sense first before looking to buy hardware. However, I will say that having a good mouse and keyboard made it much easier for me to improve my gaming skills. Having a comfortable lightweight mouse allowed me grip it better and stopped the pain i experience during long sessions, while adjustable actuation helped me stop fat-fingering certain keys. RT also allowed me to spam keys quickly without needing the muscle memory of holding my press right before the switch's actuation point. Good hardware might not immediately make you better, but if you know how to fully utilise it, it will make improving easier.
Really L take...i dont think this video was well thought out at all it just seems like you have an unreasonable bias against he keyboards this dosent seem like a wooting reivew at all to me i hope your takes on your next video are like your past ones..this just made you look bad in my eyes
Doesn't mean he is lying, he's just not gifted at the game or probably FPS games in general. Many people suck and have flaws in the most basic things even after 3000 hours.
To each their own. I have a Wooting 60he+ module with custom switches, case, and keycaps. Sounds great and gave me a legitimate boost in my Valorant performance. Plus it makes it more fun when it feels like your peripherals are directly and truly listening to you. I miss this feeling when im using my other keyboards.
Some points 1- SOCD have ONLY been banned on CS2, no other game banned it 2- You talk about other keyboards, but most of other HE keyboards have awful hardware, a lot of them are scanning the keys at 125hz polling even when advertised at 1000. 80HE do true 8000hz 3- Software for a keyboard so configurable like this, is not an small advantage, is a HUGE advantage, specially when you probably will configure the game for a lot of things and change between multiple profiles 4- Rapid trigger and SOCD makes almost anyone improve instantly. CS2 before the ban was just absurd, but overwatch is crazy what you can do and it is not banned. Same for valorant, hunt, quake, you name it. On everyone is a HUGE deal, and only cs2 banned it, a single title. 5- Gamers usually don't care that much about sound, you wear headphones to play. I mean, even most people on IT liking mechanical keyboards for the sound, end using them with ANC headphones to not hear anything and have just music. 6- Wooting is mostly about performance, not looks. They try to do pretty things and improve the sound because at the end of the day, if they can, it's better, but on this keyboards, what you review is never what the consumer nor the designers prioritize 7- 0 technical analysis, 0 talking about polling rates, mcu, latency, etc. Your review is not for gamers, nor it does analyze any technical data, is just a "I don't like the sound so is not worth it", like "I don't like the sound of this Ferrari, is too strident, I prefer the noise of this electric vehicle" I mean, targets You say you are the target for this keyboard, but it's clear that you don't review for the target who buys it, but instead You just did a review for the mechanical keyboard community around sound and feels which are on the complete opposite side of the target. Sorry if it sounds too harsh, but it's the truth, the only thing useful here for the consumer target is the problem with the white zinc case.
your 5th point is actually so stupid, imagine using ANC headphones in your room lmfao. Don't you know the best sounding headphones are open back and doesn't have every good sound isolation? Don't you know there are studio monitors that sound way better than any ANC headphones? Also you are completely ignoring the "feel" of a keyboard, which is just as important. Go defend your wooting board however you like, but when it comes to feel and sound it's like worse than a $80 keyboard from China LOL!
@@Orisu179 My 5th point is divided in two, and I can tell you I've seen a lot of people working with XM5 or bose QC because it's much more comfortable having everything in one (mic for calls, and computer music seamless change) and with expensive keyboards that they just doesn't heard at all But the main point is, a gaming keyboard which would be fine if sounded super beautiful but is not the selling point. The point is this is a keyboard for performance first and everything else secondary. If it sounds great nice, but if it sounds like crap, people who buy for gaming, are still not gonna give a s about it, because they don't buy it for the sound/fell
@@jdv8867 Yeah it doesn't make sense at all. A lot of people that are into keyboards are usually into headphones too, and for them usually open back is the way to go, due to the soundstage those offers and just better sound quality in general. And you could definitely hear the keyboard sounds with those. For your second point, yeah cool that gamers are ok with keyboards that feel like complete garbage and useless outside of gaming, and they will still get destroyed by someone higher ranked than you without a wooting. If what you said is true, then Wooting's target audience is niche af, unless you are a pro gamer there are literally no reasons why you should get one with how overpriced they are. As someone who plays a lot of rhythm games, I value the sound and feel of a keyboard way more than all those HE bs, if it feels too responsive it will mess up my timing.
@@Orisu179 useless outside gaming lol And here I was, thinking that a keyboard was meant to push keys and somehow the wooting cannot do it outside gaming because visual studio or word doesn't recognize it lmao and of course wooting audience is niche, is a keyboard for """hardcore""" gamers. It's as niche as a keyboard of 200€ who sounds glorious to you. 99.9% of the people is just gonna run with a 10$ membrane one. Expensive keyboards are niche in audience. That's why logitech sells millions upon millions and have a market cap of 13.000 millions and whatever your favourite keyboard manufacturer is, will sell a few thousands or the biggest launch of wooting was founded by backers with 7 million € and not 700. Even keychron is still niche brand. you may value what makes you happy, and that's fine, in your case sound or "feel", and same as you, other's we value the performance and we don't give a rat about the "THOCK" or "thick" or "the feels", because we want the lowest input latency ever, socd and other perks. And same as a fast responsive keyboard mess with your timing (which btw, doesn't make sense that a responsive keyboard mess with your timing in rhythm games, also why OSU players flock to this keyboards) , a slow keyboard will mess with ours. But even then, with a HE keyboard you define the actuation point to where you like so it can be responsive or slow like a normal one. You are not forced to use 0.1mm of activation point, you can go higher or lower, from 0.1 to 40mm while on a normal mechanical keyboard the actuation point is usually fixed at 1.3/1.6mm, so you are not making sense nor do know what an HE is. And if you don't even know what you can do with it after the review, then Hypno failed miserably explaining what it is, what it does, how does it, and why it's great even to people like you who thinks it isn't (but in reality it is as you play rhythm games) There's not a single decent fps player who have tried a wooting and it's not impressed by it and ended with an HE as main. And saying that because we are not pros therefore this keyboard is useless is a pretty crappy example. It's like saying that because you are not kirk hammett, buying a guitar is stupid, or because you don't live of selling photos, buying a decent monitor to edit your own ones in photoshop doesn't make sense. Or buying a fast responsive lightweight mouse is also useless because at the end of the day, you are not a pro, so why use a gaming mouse instead of just playing with a controller or a touchpad As I said in the beginning, different targets, and Hipyo is not reviewing this keyboard for the intended target but to the complete opposite, the whole review is about what it feels and how it sounds, not about how it performs. He didn't even manage to measure the latency lol, not a single reference to the bare minimum of the features people who bought it care about. And that's in the end the problem. Reviewing a ferrari as a wagon and how it performs to bring your 4 kids to school or go all on a 6 family vacation, instead of just using the ferrari inside a circuit because that's the intended use, that's the reason of why was designed and manufactured at first, and why people is purchasing it at second.
the problem is that it's not a default TKL layout. can you imagine dropping a Wooting TKL pcb in a Geon TKL with Geon plate so it works with the gasket haha..
From what I can tell, the zinc issues seem to be review sample keyboards and are under warranty. This video hugely understates the benefits of HE keyboards, fails to address many improvements that YOU requested over the 60HE and overall is a fairly ragebait video (thumbnail says it all) You also included misleading cuts in the interview where the woot team were talking about the minimal benefit to 8Khz polling and you spun it as them saying that rapid trigger had no benefit. Overall, mid review at best and clearly shows bias.
From what I was told, review samples were production units. The benefits of HE keyboards ARE hugely overstated. Videos claiming the keyboard is almost cheating has genuinely brainwashed people. Rapid trigger DOES have benefits like I explicitly state and outline, but they are widely niche benefits. The amount of people that have come to my comments and said that a keyboard is useless for gaming unless it has RT is insane. People out here genuinely believe that if you don't have one you can't compete, and that's just factually wrong. I literally show the part of the interview where they say rapid trigger has objective benefits. They said 8k polling has no benefit.
@@HipyoTech In which case, the zinc coating really needs to be addressed (and it is, the woot team are hot on the case,) as that level of quality isn't acceptable. I followed along with the development of the keeb and they did mention struggling to make a good coating for the zinc. I bring up the interview as others that I talked to about this review did mention confusion in which of the features was useless, many thought it was RT. The people believing that if you don't have HE then you can't compete are delusional. Same with the ones that think it will make you better. But the HE nature of this keyboard does have many benefits like the few you mentioned, along with improvements in consistency with complex input, the fact you can use a keyboard as an analogue input (press w harder to walk faster, or turn better in games that feature driving) All in all I feel that you really aren't the target demographic (yes you play games) but from what I can tell after watching you for a while, you really love your fully custom keyboards/niche keyboards and don't mind a whole lot about performance. It's almost like complaining about a fork because it cant pick up soup like a spoon can. I am personally getting one as I wanted a 60HE but larger. I really appreciate the level of support that wooting has, and plan to buy one and modify it down the line with an 3rd party case and keycaps. From all the testing I've seen the woot leads the pack in performance, keyboard feel is subjective as many other reviewers love the feel of this woot, but the attention to detail, support and (aside from the zinc coating) build quality absolutely make this worth the price.
@@HipyoTech and apologies for coming on a bit aggressively, part of it was the ragebait getting me, and part is that I did preorder and feel the need for the keyboard to be good, that doesn't excuse some of the things I talked about however.
@@HipyoTech never seen the "if you don't have one you can't compete" comments in your section, one or two comments isn't the majority opinion my guy it just feels like you are overstating the public perception to fit your argument.
Snap Tap has started and ended during this and last month. Hall effect keyboards have been a synonym for a "modern gaming keyboard" for over a year already. From my own experience of switching from rubber dome to a mechanical keyboard, inability to quickly and reliably tap the same key repeatedly was my main gripe (also mistyped keys). Having control over actuation points would be incredibly useful.
This guy doesn't even know how to ten finger type and he is telling us how keyboard should feel. I preordered 80HE as my first Wooting product and after seeing this video I was a bit worried of getting bad keyboard. After testing the keyboard I am glad that majority of this video is carbage. 80HE is definitely not a premium keyboard for enthusiast but its not bad either. Typing feel and sound is actually very good if you compare it to other gaming keyboards. I would be mad if they sacrificed the gaming feel with typing feel. Gaming feel is superior compared to any non hall sensor keyboard! Haven't tried many analog keyboards but I would be surprised if someone has made clearly better keyboard with rapid trigger. Also this keyboard if not just for pros. Any decent Counter Strike player would notice (and also get benefit) the difference between rapid trigger and standard switch so I don't know what you are talking about your gaming hours.
I don't know if I would say Hall Effect is only for Pros. Sure, Pros will make best use of it. But anyone who wants to be competitive at all, and wants every advantage they can get can use Hall Effect. It won't make them magically better, but it could be the difference in some situations still. And for those that value, every single advantage, they'd probably want Hall Effect still.
Im really confused by some of the comments in this video. Particularly saying something feels cheap, but then calling it very heavy and then saying it feels fake heavy, even though you recognise that it isn't. It just felt like you wanted to farm extra negatives for some reason that I don't understand. The paint is a huge issue though, and im stunned they shipped the white zinc with such a shoddy coat.
I lost brain cells on this one. I’m not even in this market segment for keyboards, and I think enthusiasts keyboards are generally BS. Hall Effect is substantial though. I see hypocrisy in being an enthusiast, and somehow all of the gripes here make no sense why this, that, or the other is bad. One moment there’s awareness of the product space and this should mean he understands what to look for and value/validate relatively speaking, and then the next he’s blasting the entire feature set? The SOCD feature isn’t the only reason to want HE. My take: he’s butthurt over price.
it's more like buying a Tesla then realizing all the panel gaps and build quality is bad. they have the best software and features that arguably no one has but the build quality / $ is nowhere near the best budget boards.
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I build the most crazy modded 60HE some years back. The first gasket mounted one … (Sangeo 60 case).
The only real issues were the plate mounted stabs, the holes in the bottom cases (this needs pe foam) and switch springs being crunchy as hell and feeling inconsistent.
I was able to fix all of that other than the springs. I thought about launching a spring group buy but couldn’t be bothered.
I don’t think this comes close to that board. But Wooting are learning. So hopefully they will get there at some point.
@@philipp594 oh shoot, been trying to find a way to gasket mount my 60 HE. Do you have a video or and links/blogs post of your build?
@@mikenelson263 nope. I just made a custom aluminium plate and used the kbdfans standoffs. Lubed the switches, made some pe foam with cutouts for the magnets.
I wanted to make a second revision of the plate with better tolerances and open source that. But didn’t get to that yet.
@@philipp594 cool! Been thinking along those lines, how did you deal with the fixed usb port (no jst) on the pcb? I supposed there would just be room for the port to vibrate together with the cable?
@@mikenelson263 the gh60 / dz60 also has a fixed usb port. The compatible cases are designed for it.
Love the Hipyo critique. So much hurt and laughter here haha.
You brought in an interesting perspective and there is a lot here we can debate on here when it comes to price, quality, and value.
But, like you said, keyboards are subjective and you value different things more. If that weren’t the case, there wouldn’t be a 100$ keyset and 60-70$ switches on your modded set, which is almost the cost of the entire keyboard.
We’ll take in your feedback and see how it can contribute in making an even better keyboard going forward.🎉
Have y'all considered dropping the price of the 60HE since the 80HE is out?
@@sircartdark its not a sequel its a different keyboard
what @toungebone said
@toungebone I know that. It's just that the price didn't really change much since I first heard about it over a year ago. It's like a $25 USD difference between the 60HE and 80HE, and you're getting better upgrades and more features for that difference. I understand that many gamers would rather pick up the 60HE for the smaller size, but I also don't see a reason why not to sacrifice some desk space for a way better keyboard. I also want to see more competition from Wooting in the budget area. But there could be a 60HE V2 in the works, so they could drop it down one day.
Thanks for the reply! Sorry to the lovely people over at Wooting, no hard feelings, just high standards!
- I will say I used the $100 keyset and $60-70 switches to give the 80HE the best possible chance, I actually pretty rarely use GMK keycaps and near $1 switches unless I'm going ALL out. - One of my favorite builds recently had $2 keycaps and $24 switches!
I got the first batch of Wooting HE. I still get new software features even if it is not the latest keyboard anymore. And they sent me replacement feet twice for free (once it got lost). The after sale support is just the best
Customer support is something that is rarely discussed in reviews but can significantly affect the 'real' long-term price you pay for a product.
Although I admit that it's difficult to evaluate.
for keebs like Logi u wud get feet from logi or ALi too.
I had a problem with my wooting and they didn't help me at all :P
@@AiBirmanwhat problem?
@@takutolovex The ctrl key just got stuck sometimes. Not mechanically, but nothing worked unless it was a ctrl+something shortcut until I pressed the ctrl a couple of times
Was really annoying while gaming
Wooting is one of the VERY few companies that make ISO keyboards in multiple languages. It is nearly impossible to find decent keycap sets in, say, German or Spanish. It's a bummer you're bound to buying complete keyboards from large companies like Logitech because they're the only ones who can afford to manufacture for so many languages. I have massive respect for Wooting because of that.
I don't know why they can't mske a keycap with the letter ñ, it seems so easy to solve the problem with this solution. But idk maybe is just me
They’re based in the EU
I have almost 10 options for ISO keyboards in my wishlist, in a decent array for budget, finding ISO PCBs is the hardest part compared to keycaps legends at least for me.
@@GabrielP2R the hard part is finding one that is compatible with a non-standard board. “Oh your right shift is 1.75u? Now there are only 3 options left and they're all ugly!”
I've once read a German custom keyboard blog site and they straight up recommend giving up using the ISO-DE QWERTZ layout because it's so hard to find a decent kit compared to the overabundance of ANSI-US QWERTY keyboards.
@@maurorivas3125 the ñ isn't the only difference on a Spanish keyboard, most punctuation is in different spots as well. It's all about economies of scale. If you can make something only once, the price is gonna be very high. If you can mass produce 1,000,000 of something, you can buy each one at a very low price. The custom keyboard market hasn't _really_ reached Europe yet because it's a very fragmented continent with tons of keyboard layouts that you as a manufacturer would have to accommodate for.
Decent review. Hall effect switches is a non-negotiable feature for anyone looking to buy a Wooting so in my opinion a lot more time should have been spent comparing it to other HE offerings. It's good to make people aware that when you go for HE switches you're majorly sacrificing your text-typing experience, but that doesn't need to take up so much of the review. It's kind of like reviewing a sports car and constantly pointing out that's it's not very comfortable to drive on your daily commute and that you can't really appreciate the horsepower on roads with speed limits.
Brother... Every other keyboard and switch name dropped in the video is HE. Only side comments to the greater custom keyboard community can be considered to be outside the HE specific comparison.
He just doesn't make videos where the whole keyboard experience is presented in a head to head. It's a standalone review
But that's the point tho? You come to hippyo for his viewpoint, if you want a pro viewpoint you go to optimum or another pro gamer.
Why ppl want youtubers to all have the same viewpoint?
Have you even watched the video? He compares it to several competing products which also use HE switches and points out why they’re better than the Wooting. Go to the 21 minute mark within chapter 6 to see.
Hipyo is spot on. This keyboard feels too cheap to justify its pricing.
@@little_fluffy_cloudshe didn’t test or even mention why they are not in fact better. They’re all slower. He just doesn’t know enough about the gaming side of things to review HE switch keyboards.
don't get triggered but this review is like giving a MacBook /mac pro user a RTX 40X0 series equipped PC and he is complaining about the fan noise and power consumed by the GPU.
@@laLakshya hahaha
@@HipyoTech not a hate comment buddy just a interpretation of the review. Keep it with your great work.
PS. complaining about fan noise and power consumption is valid.
Your analogy doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying that Hipyo is a brand loyalist that doesn't understand the selling point of an enthusiast setup? Because wooting is definitely the "apple" equivalent in this comparison, expensive, "it just works", and over hyped. If anything, you're the fanboy unhappy with Hipyo for saying an enthusiast priced product doesn't live up to an enthusiast's expectations.
@@AsianeseHe means it's like a person who loves the feel, looks, and sound of a mac is given to review something that's purely performance focussed and not minding those 3 before.
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 ty for the interpretation but I'm not buying it. Isn't the main performance metric of a keyboard the user experience? Are build quality, sound and feel not a significant contributor to the user experience?
Wootings competition has basically matched it for features, you can make a case for software but they're catching up there too. So what's left to compare except the ux? And brand loyalty of course.
Got my 80 HE today and I don't understand Hipyo's concerns at all. Great quality, nice sound, amazing software features. This is the best gaming keyboard right now on the market and worth the price.
How did you get yours early? I thought it comes out around november
@@Jojo-qn2yc I ordered it in March with the first batch.
I got mine as well, it does sound and feel much better than the 60HE that I've used previously. Performance I can't really tell any difference, it's pretty much the same thing except layout and 1000Hz vs 8000Hz polling rate.
I got the better layout that I wanted instead of 60% and it doesn't perform any worse while feeling much better. I'm happy.
@@The-Choo-Choo-Shoehi, I’m really in the market for a wooting after its recommendations. I watched this guy review the 60he and it seemed overly positive and was going to get it there and then. I saw the 80he and thought that is my preferred layout, but after watching this video I’m discouraged to buy it. Can you help?
@@jnr6521 if you play tactical FPS games like counter strike or valorant at a somewhat competitive level, or you play a lot of rhythm games like osu, then this keyboard can be helpful. Basically games where you need to time your inputs very precisely, I imagine fighting games would also probably feel better on one of these. If you just play games casually then the features like rapid trigger probably wont matter to you and you'll be better off spending the same amount of money on a keyboard with regular mechanical switches, as they will sound and feel much better at the same or even cheaper price. as for 60 vs 80, get whatever your preferred layout is, performance-wise they are essentially the same.
One thing i do appreciate about Wooting is the software support. The fact that they are still pushing updates to their older boards is incredible.
Im still rocking my 60HE to this day and I still love it
The 60HE is only 3 years old
@defranken He's talking about the fact they still push updates to their original keyboards too, and those are 6+ years old.
SOCD was absolutely not the main advantage and rapid trigger is not SOCD. Respectfully this review was just kind of a miss for me not even from a wooting fanboy perspective, I use plenty of different boards currently an akko HE board. The entire review felt like a Rolls-Royce driver complaining about an F1 car not being comfortable yes both are cars but they’re made for different purposes.
I don't think he's complaining about the board. He's comparing it's price-point to the competition. I think he made it very clear that the only reason you would buy this specific HE board over the other recommended ones is for the software alone.
You are wrong , and the analogy makes no sense , at this price point , you should be able to get f1 performance with rolls royce luxury, with keyboards its not one or the other .
@@GolddEaglee you absolutely can with modding but unless you want a $500 keyboard you kinda stick with one main side especially since their actual target audience doesn’t care about really squishy gasket performance or non “gamer keycaps” I’ve put probably $500 into my 60he and it feels, looks, and performs amazingly but that’s not what everyone wants to do, hence why wooting offers just the pcb so when other cases and such come out you can have the freedom to build around it and spend as much as you want
for $200 tho. the complaints are valid
@@ValJCIbut the white paint falling apart on the zinc alloy is a thing to work on for sure this just cant happen when you buy a "high quality" keyboard case
I mean i ordered one and i love wooting but why didnt anybody know about this? They should have realitzed these paint issues long time ago, but why did nobody said something or why didnt they just paused the white zinc production to ensure their product works as intended.
Kinda feels like they were trying to just not mention it and hope that nobody will notice it
Anyways I am probably just gonna repaint mine on my own as soon as the paint looks scratched and all used up which probably will be after a week or so and them I am good.
But with a case for like 200$ or so this should noz be necessary
Honestly, there are so many HE keyboards out there that have inconsistencies. With wooting you know the module and the software is on point. This cannot be said for the others, plus the wooting covers it with great support and warranty.
I only trust Wooting with HE tech. If I ever bought a non-Wooting HE it would feel off-brand lol.
I hope there's gonna be a VIA standard equivalent of HE board, sometimes gotta get on that.. once there's one good standardized open source firmware and everyone just uses that then wooting will be forced to make better hardware. right now it feels like 10-15 years ago when QMK was barely a thing and only big manufacturers like Corsair and Razer and Logitech had useable software and everyone could get away with charging $200 for what's now considered $20 boards
@@v000000000000v Currently some of the enthusiast HE PCBS like the Geonworks Venom HE are standardizing on the Rakku HE online software. I think its just a matter of time for VIA to get some form of HE support as well.
Only other option is SteelSeries, which arguably have better software, it just depends on what you want and the SS does have some extra features for the same amount of money with an included magnetic wrist rest and screen. The screen is w/e but it can be fairly useful honestly.
I tried a lot of different HE keyboards, wooting is one of the best but no longer the best for me(at least the 60 HE) so this(imo) is just plain wrong. But of course if you are going to spend the big money, you want the proper support from Wooting. The problems are seemingly still there on the 80 HE.
First of all, as a gamer, *some of us* care about sound ;)
I ordered a 80HE back in march (I was one of the 23k mentioned ) and it’s coming October 4th, so I’ve been kinda on the lookout for 80HE content.
I don’t mind the big price tag that much as I see it as also paying for the trust, customer support and reliability (as mentioned in the video)
Also the keyboard I’m coming from, pretty much anything is an upgrade.
But other than that it’s nice to see some insight on the 80HE from someone that isn’t wooting, and I’m still hella excited for it to arrive
I am also one of those 23K people and mine isn't even in the warehouse yet. You can't even confirm your address until Sept 30th if you're NA. Guessing you paid for expedited shipping? Range for delivery is like the 4th-19th of October.
I got the 80HE today, and the reason I got it was because I respect and like Wooting as a company.
And they make good keyboards (and software!) even though it might more expensive than the competition.
Also it wasn't extremely expensive to ship around europe.
As someone that bought a china rebrand HE 75% and spent enough money in upgrades to have it cost more than the plastic 80HE kit, I ended up placing an order today for the 80HE plastic kit. The software on my current board has just been atrocious,. no easy way to switch profiles, questionable actuation points, having the lighting profile forget what i'ts supposed to do whenever I launch the utility, and initial promise of a web utility that' was promised at launch but its been 8months and nothing. So yeah, buying the 80HE for the software and transferring the WS Dashes over from my current board. Software + Transparency + Support is what Wooting has going for them and it makes all the difference.
Which one did you buy?
@@HipyoTech currently using a wraith w75 that I mainly bought for the case color lol and just ordered the 80HE kit with the smoke black case and also ordered the white ghost case to mix and match.
Exactly, Hippyo review this time is absolute ass. No direct comparison but saying it's overpriced while knocking it with fingers like little baby. WTF
You hypothetically can make DIY keyboard that thock the way you want, but it will always end like your case. Absolute trash mix with software made by AI that barely works.
End of topic.
This tells me I should just wait until Wooting do a proper TKL layout.
I agree that for a lot of people, the features marketed towards gaming won't be that beneficial. That being said, I think you continue to drastically undersell the value of those features to people who do want them. A few months ago I was in the market for a new keyboard and passed over the Wooting 60HE specifically because of your review, as your channel was pretty much all I was watching at the time for keyboards. Fast forward a few months, and I'm kicking myself for not getting a Wooting earlier now that I actually understand what rapid trigger does and how it works in games.
While I do believe he's underselling, it really isn't that big of a game changer. If you truly understand what it does then you shouldn't be kicking yourself. There's Hipyo who undersells RT, and then there's Optimum Tech who oversells it.
@@chickencoopououwu2584 i dunno, i just sort of see it as a "why not use it if you can" sort of thing. also, he pretty much only talks about its application in games like valorant and cs while rhythm games like osu got glossed over except for a small mention right at the very end. as someone who plays a lot of rhythm games, it is very frustrating to have to play around where the actuation points on my keyboard are, while knowing that there are alternatives that solve that issue. sure optimum may oversell it a bit, but i think his review of the 60HE highlights its features much better without overhyping it to the point of shilling.
Even talking to the wooting guys, its vastly oversold. It has concrete advantages where it shines - a few spots where its really good and for that people should want it!
But its vastly vastly oversold as a gaming cureall.
@@chickencoopououwu2584i wrote a long reply to this and youtube just kinda… ate it i think. anyway tldr i wish he had talked about its use for rhythm games more as thats where rapid trigger has really shined in my experience, plus just how much of an advantage having software that actually works reliably is. i’ve returned multiple cheaper rapid trigger keyboards now for their spotty software that doesn’t work well. i will give him props for highlighting their software, but i really do think it kind of does make up for how average or even below average everything else is.
That's why it's important to always take input for multiple sources. People are biased. Being smart and knowledgeable doesn't mean you are immune to being biased and to having bad takes.
I hate people complaining about this tech in OSU. It's a game where you are literally recommended to go out and buy additional hardware to play it. It feels very hypocritical that drawing tablets are lauded while hall effect switches are hated. Both give an advantage over those who do not own the hardware
i think it's a bit 50/50 since there are people who are as good as tablet players using mouse. there are also multiple top players that swapped back to mouse from tablet and improved. but hall effect is a one sided advantage. it is 100% the better option. i don't think it's an issue (unless you're using cloutiful method), but that argument is a bit wonky
Drawing tablets are not an advantage over a mouse tho. Hall effect keyboards are straight up better then normal mechanical keyboards they do have an advantage but some people really over estimate it
No one complain about HE switch we complain about some of their broken feature that is litteraly cheating (incomparable to things like switching mouse to tablet), Wooting litteraly got famous because the first community that made it popular is the osu! community (wooting said themself on their website, where they explain what rapid trigger is).
@@Kiluan7 True that but there are still really good people who don't use hall effect.
I guess every pro players have better hardware? Not everyone can afford the best PC to get the lowest FPS. An RTX 4090 is much more expensive than a keyboard.
I'm usually the cheapskate, but if I were getting a magnetic switch board for gaming (instead of just messing around with), I would 100% pay for Wooting, their openness and transparency is absolutely fantastic. But I don't care about gaming, I just want a 65%, and I got a magnetic switch board for 109usd, so I'm gonna go for that
Totally fair, it's really about what people personally value
wait, so you dont care about gaming, BUT you got a magnetic keyboard? They suck compared to mx style switches.
@@late8138 i already own 3 regular keebs. I like to play around with different kinds of tech.
I do more messing around with things rather than playing or getting any work done 😆
Wait until this man reviews my membrane keyboard.
If you like a quite keyboard, why not membrane?🤔 If he prefers thocky sound, why not use a low profile? They sound thocky out of the box as he showed in one of his video's.
For me it's the latency difference that wins me over with Wooting. I didn't know the latency difference was a factor when I bought my 60he. I just knew about the actuation customisation which is why I bought it to begin with. And then when I swapped out my old keyboard, the immediate first thing I noticed was how responsive it was (you need to enable a setting for this responsiveness in case anyone out there hasn't done it yet). I didn't even realize how much input lag my old keyboards had until I swapped for the 60he. I preordered the 80he as I prefer having the F key row but I agree that it's very overpriced compared to the 60he which I personally think is reasonable for the performance vs other gaming keyboards that are just overpriced e-waste with RGB added for marketing to unsuspecting gamers
Yeah I wanted to try my Ducky kb again on Osu and it had a lot of latency compared to Wooting, every note felt like a half of second with ducky meanwhile on wooting was instantaneous
When I saw you doing a review I thought you might not like it. 1. This isn’t a thocky keyboard (so you won’t like it for that). 2. Its primary purpose is not to type on. 3. It’s not really a custom keyboard in the same way others you regularly review are. What it is, is a top end low latency gaming keyboard designed to give high level / competitive / e-sports folk the best response time and capabilities. So someone like yourself (not knocking you) are not really in that demographic. Keep up the good work on the channel, I just think you were a bit off on this one.
That was exactly my conclusion - its for pros. Except why can't it do all of those things and also be a good keyboard?
@HipyoTech Cause HE keys are fundamentally trading feel for performance. The mounting style could've been improved and the case coating for the white could've also been better but the switches themselves there's just not many other options other than a complete redesign of how HE switches are designed and produced. Like trading in a Rolls Royce for an F1 car.
But that's the point tho? You come to hippyo for his viewpoint, if you want a gamer viewpoint you go to optimum or another pro gamer.
Why ppl want youtubers to all have the same viewpoint?
yeah and he also said in his conclusion that he’s ALSO coming from the perspective of a seasoned gamer-including competitive tactical fps background (where actuation/reset and snaptap is most impactful), sooo like kinda just sounds like our commenter here didn’t watch the vid til the end lmao
@@HipyoTech Because "good" is subjective for this. You're only real complaint is sound. That's not a super strong argument for not "good"
Great points although, I still think you are underselling rapid triggers difference for most people. Interesting to hear your perspective though
Honestly I'm glad you gave your honest opinion, i know this was hard to do since the Wooting community would attack you but I think this is fair criticism. I just hope you still do a video modding and improving the board.
Agreed, I'm a Wooting fan but a lot of his points were good and it's nice to hear someone go in-depth about what doesn't work for them so other people can make a better judgement on whether they should spend money on it. I personally think it's overpriced for what you get and it's even more disappointing with all the delays for the preorders but as I said, I'm a fan of Wooting keebs and my preferences differ from Hipyo, I personally love my 60he and I'm looking forward to the 80he. The performance is very noticeable for me so I can overlook some of the issues. But for others it might be a deal breaker
Yep mad props to hippo for staying true on his mission. His verdict isn’t that HE is bad, it’s that it doesn’t matter for the masses
Zinc concerns are completely valid, that has to be addressed.
Let that Zinc in
I have a Black Zinc case arriving in less than 2 days I will post a small "overview" on my channel, and I can give my thoughts from a Q1 HE and 60HE+ user.
@@Aerobrakecould you give a detailed comparison between the q1 HE and wooting HE keyboards? im stuck between the two. i mainly want one for the SOCD tech tbh
yooo aerobrake
As someone who pre-ordered the white zinc case version and constantly bumps their mouse into the keyboard, I am quite worried considering it cost me $450 CAD....
Wow, thanks for the review. Just ordered a second Wooting 80he Zinc Alloy White! 1st one is black. Can not wait!!!!11
Its so funny to me that nobody talks about the feature anymore that was the initial reason for creating Wooting keyboards. The analog feature. Sure most people consider it an unnecessary feature, but for me personally it is actually the best feature, since I play a lot of immersive sims, where analog movements give you that extra amount of flexibility. Also in games that have driving. Its just amazing.
I got the wooting 60he+ prebuild. And ended up swapping the case for a tofu redux and the switches for gateron and the keycaps for some cooler pbt ones. All in I spent about 500+ euro, which imo is not worth it, but I wanted to give an analog keyboard a good try.
The software is amazing, you can run in in the browser, you don't need to even download anything which is great and safe. I do prefer it for games as the input is way more responsive.
For outside of games I still use my 3d printed dactyl manuform with zeal clickiez switches. So if you are going to treat the wooting as a purely gaming keyboard, then thats where it shines. Would be cool if it ran QMK firmware like my main keyboard, but having the software run in the browser is an acceptable compromise. You can update the keyboard firmware through the browser too which is pretty cool.
Overall I like the wooting 60he+, but its more for working adults as you need to dump a lot of money into it. If I were still in college I would have tried one of the cheaper chinese hall effect keyboards instead.
Try gummy oring mount for 60he
When you purchase the HE60 prebuilt you're paying for the module. You get a working KB that you can customize to your liking. Hot swapping is made simple and requires less force to remove than other brands, IMO it's the best gamming keyboard on the market.
Honestly, I think the adjustable actuation point is a severely underrated feature, I've been stuck using a shitty gaming keyboard for years and I was constantly pressing a million other keys accidentally while trying to type because of how sensitive the actuation point was. Having just two actuation point profiles; one for typing and another for gaming is a big quality of life improvement
I recently ordered the 60HE+, and the 80HE's size is really the only thing going for me. Since the software updates update for every keyboard, I think the 60HE+ is enough. I also think you shouldve talked about rythym games more, as it is a huge reason for many people (including me).
I just got on the wooting train and bought my first wooting 60 HE a week ago, and yes it is more expencive then other HE keybaords but the softwhere is just wortrh it. in my opinion. U can always upgrate your switches and or case. but the you are stuck with the software. so best take the one that has the best software.
You clearly dont understand the people that this keyboard is marketed to or the actual advantages this has. Personally Ive played 1.5k hours of geometry dash (with my hardest demon being within the top 177) and I have the wooting keypad, and for GD hall effect switches are incredibly good, to the point that the majority of the top playerbase uses them, and they are so clearly better than regular switches. Ive also played 1.2k hours of apex and having put a lot of time into movement again its clear how much of an impact rapid trigger would make. Not to mention that the sound doesnt really matter if your wearing headphones, again which the majority of the people who this keyboard is made for will. This review just shows that you have no perspective on any actual top level gaming (even outside of pro and top ranked play), and instead just seems like a large rant about hall effect keyboards in general. Its just not your type of keyboard so you dont care about the features and software youre buying, but that doesnt mean other people dont or shouldnt care themselves. Disappointing review.
Price doesn't justify what you're getting for the average consumer, that was the point of his review. Most people have better things to do than play geometry dash for 1.5k hours, don't take this review so personally. He keyboards do not greatly benefit the average person.
@@andreibelittchenko5956 But there IS a market for it, and it's quite a big one. You simply don't give all luxurious cars a bad review just because it "doesn't justify what you're getting for the average consumer". That is horrible logic.
@crypix At no point did i say there was not a market for it. Sweaty casuals who take games they dont make money on too seriously may be a part of his audience, but that is not his average viewer. Its also not who he is. He gave his perspective, im confused and what you expected? This isn't an optimum tech video.
@crypix When I watch a high end custom keyboard review, there are gamers crying all over the comments "$600 and no hall effect!?! Not worth it. " Same idea, opposite perspective. You have to learn that other people have different ideas than you and that's okay. Your keyboard reviewer of choice does not need to parrot your opinion for his perspective to be valid.
@@andreibelittchenko5956 I never said he needs to have same opinion as me. I'm just disappointed that his tone in the intro seems to imply it's good for nobody. He could've been more objective but instead said "so we don't have to try it".
Calder is a real nice guy having met him years ago and his commitment to make a good board is real even sitting for hours in a train to talk about what i would do. i'm happy to hear their software is good...i just joined a GB for a €500 + board so i'm not a stranger to high end boards and paying for it.. But zinc allow and the paint job needs more explanation is it powder coated ? i have no specific use for hall effect i'm more in to hmx, bsun switches pre-lubed nice stabs you know the rabbit hole haha.. BTW i love the silk screen on the bottom of the plate that tells you all the parts of your pcb .. i have never seen this before it's fun to read .. Really cool Wooting.. Goed gedaan gasten !
Those marks left by the keycap puller are NOT scratches in the keyboard case, they are metal from the puller being left on the case finish. That's why a magic eraser will take them off. The texture of the case is just abrading the soft metal of the keycap puller. The solution is to not rub soft metal items all over your keyboard case.
Also you DO NOT want a bunch of squish in a keyboard designed to customize the key's actuation point in 0.1 mm increments. Having a soft, squishy feel would ruin the whole point of this design.
@@joeshmoe9233 sadly that's not the whole picture, the finish is easily broken thru and can leave permanent grooves. I posted a pic on my Instagram story. I would say test it out but I don't want people to ruin their cases 😅
@@HipyoTechyou did ignore the gasket part
@@cookie2843 I don't have data on that, but other HE boards have decent gasket performance and even smaller actuation (albeit useless)
@@cookie2843 I don't think flex is bad at all for HE keyboards. You mostly want the magnet to pcb distance to remain consistent. Flex has both local and global components. You can get good global flex (the whole module moves up and down) and a little local flex (slight bending around the key you press) without necessarily disrupting the performance of the switches.
Your problem, one many people have, is you’re asking the wrong question.
I don’t care if HE features make me “better” at games. I care if it makes them _feel better_ to play.
This is the same mistake that people who think high refresh displays are worthless if you don’t play FPS’s competitively. It’s not about making you better. It’s about making it feel better.
In other words, a Wooting for gaming is nice for the same reason 240Hz in Civ 6 is nice. It just feels nice.
The fact that you claim to be the target audience while showing the equivalent of a CS players first 10 hours in the game has convinced me this is primarily ragebait for clicks. Same energy as people who think high hz TN panel users are insane despite the entirety of the CS pro scene using them. Your most valid critiques are with the case though, although you even ragebaited at that by calling it a "scratch" that somehow can rub off with a magic eraser (??????????????????????).
I don't even want to talk about the spending money on coaching instead... Do you even understand the difference between mechanical skill and game sense/strategy?
Wooting fanboy alert 🚨👮
The guy spends more time reviewing keyboards than actually using them. Definitely ragebait, just look at his uploads...
Wooting fan boy spotted, yapping about gaming and getting a coach like it somehow invalidates his opinion 😂
@@samster978 that's what he yapped about. do you drooling freaks even watch these videos
Nice review, really honest, you have good points.
I bought an 80 HE zinc alloy black and should be here tomorrow morning, but I don't regret buying it.
Things I hate: the rubber feet.
Things I don't like: the layout, the case (I would swap if someone makes a good quality alu case)
Things I don't mind: switches and keycaps (I will swap them anyway), rgb and led bar
Things I really like: software, warranty, Hall Effect implementation, supporting a small company with a nice attitude with a team very passionate about what they are doing, even if i disagree with a lot of choice they made ahahah
You buy the software .... But YES for the price the case and keys should be a bit higher quality YES 100%, but still you buy it for the features
Other companies have same software as wooting. Sorry, but nobody can say that wootings „rapid trigger” works better than any others… xD SOCD is mostly banned (other companies brought this option as well so its not luxury for wooting). I see no reason to pay such price for such mediocre keyboard.
@@BLCKNDWTHN their software is 1000% more reliable. other brands have so many bugs or issues with their software
@BLCKNDWTHN I'll be honest....I haven't seen a keyboard with better software. I tried two others and both were just not as good. As for SOCD only game that has it banned is CS2...for now.
The software actually has a tangible impact on using the gaming keyboard, well as a gaming keyboard! Most of his criticisms regarding the "quality" of plastic vs aluminum, the lack of frivolous details like back weights, etc, have absolutely 0 bearing on its intended function.
Wooting set out to make the best competitive keyboard out there and by most metrics they have, their target demographic just doesn't have much overlap with keyboard enthusiasts who think heavy keyboard = "wow high quality" and that's fine.
@@BLCKNDWTHN same software? Hell no lmao, no company came close to their software, tf you talking about?
I don't see anyone mentioning on top of their top of the line software, their support is also top tier. I don't see any other manufacturers going out of their way to make videos on enhancements, defects, or issues. Or putting up polls to ask their customers what features they would like or prefer, and then quickly adding those enhancements. I am sorry, but this type of keyboard is not all about build quality and acoustics, even though those are important to some. The zinc alloy case looks awesome to me, and you should use different switches than those pos lekkers... such as jade pros/maxes or geon raws. Is it more expensive than cheaper options? Yes... but you get what you pay for. I don't see this keyboard being a ripoff whatsoever.
He says he doesn't care about hall effect.
Then he says he is the target audience for this hall effect keyboard.
@@billbob9692 I'm a gamer who took increasing my rank seriously, I've realized that that increase won't happen from a few small ms increase from rapid trigger but rather methodical improvement and gear that feels comfortable and satisfying to me.
Just because something is a target does not mean you hit that target
@@HipyoTech HE buttons are more responsive they also are let you customize actuation distance.
They have abilities similar to joysticks for movement allowing for an analogue range of motion instead of binary.
Just because a feature doesn't increase your ranking in a game doesn't mean it's useless for gaming.
Saying that HE is just regular keys but faster feels misleading to me.
@@billbob9692What is the point if it doesn't make you better? I think people expect this to be magic but it's not, so deserves to be reviewed as a premium product that isn't as good as some cheaper, better products. They're living off being early to market as a gaming keyboard and didn't really innovate much, while retaining the exclusive pricing.
@@Ghost19_ Gear doesn't make a gamer, - no diss to anyone.
@@HipyoTech Gear won't make up for a lack of skill, but it will raise the potential skill ceiling. There's a reason basically every professional player has switched to hall effect keyboards. As someone who plays Quake I can tell you that movement, dodging and strafe aiming is significantly easier on hall effect boards than it ever was with "nice sounding" mechanical switches (I have 2 custom mechanicals), same shit with rapid trigger and counterstrafing in CS. It is measurably easier to do with a Hall Effect board and that's why people who are actually good have switched to it. If you don't notice a difference and like your other boards better, more power to you. But this is the same argument used by low skill players who swear there's no reason to go above 60hz refreshrate.
It makes sense from a price standpoint to show other better more high value mechanical keyboards, but when you think for a moment that the only reason Wooting got popular and people would be interested in buying them is the fact that they're hall effect. The only reason people are clicking on a video about the Wooting 80HE is cause they know what a Wooting is. It comes across as a little tone-deaf towards the actual people who would be interested in buying the Wooting 80HE when Hipyo barely mentions the hall effect performance and doesn't show any better hall effect keebs, only showing mechanical ones. I don't expect him to go into immense detail on the latency, showing graphs etc. That's for other reviewers to do.
Regardless, it's still an interesting watch to see the Wooting 80HE from a mechanical keyboard purist's point of view.
This isn't a hate comment by the way. My intention is that this can be seen as constructive criticism. 🙏
5 Reviews out so far. 4 of them say it is the greatest keyboard in history. Hipyo says mid........
Sounds like a common denominator is present
Apples to oranges, Hipyo is NOT a gamer.. he is more of a custom kb kinda of guy. You dont get the wooting to customize it, i smore like a luxury that you can. Actual hardcore gamers, would like the KB for what it offers. I got it for the gaming aspect, not to make it sound like i am creaming my pants.
@@apkenna hes not a custom kb guy either
Wooting really needs to make things right regarding the quality problems. Two reviews I've watched highlighted immediate problems with the white zinc version. What they decide to do at this point will decide if I'm going to cancel my pre-order or not. Very disappointing that they couldn't get this right given all the time we've been waiting for this keyboard to come out.
Thanks for the honest review Hipyo.
It's because early reviewers got the PVT (production verification test) units aka pre-production units. It should be ironed out for the normal production cycles but we'll have to see what others say about it from the soon to be shipped batch 1 units.
The reason why I am okay with the wooting price is because I know I am buying an artisan product from a reputable company. It is a complete product that I do not have to spend hours thinking how to make it better.
This is coming from someone who spent money buying different switches, accessories, and keycaps. Someone who spent hours learning and modding keyboards. I could have saved my time and money for something else. Maybe I am in the stage of my life where I am okay paying more so i dont have to worry about it.
There are plenty of good and better sounding stock and customizable boards to choose from. Nothing here is gonna sound even close. "Complete product" is kinda wild
@takutolovex better sounding is subjective. A complete keyboard means you get everything you need, a functional keyboard. Most "better sounding" keyboard requires you to mod such as lubing and tape mod. 80he already have it. "Better sounding" keyboard would mean spending your own time to look and try different switches. It is an endless pit. Like looking for an end game mouse. It never is an end game
@@DEANluxray sounds like u just don't like making decisions I guess.
@takutolovex if you could read my og comment that would help, I guess
@@takutolovex if you read the last part of my original comment that would help? I guess
As someone who is about to return a Logitech G915 - DO NOT underestimate the importance of good software.
If you're buying a Hall-Effect board for gaming then that super sexy build quality isn't going to do you any good when it comes to configuring your board to do what you ACTUALLY want it to do.
Take a shot every time he says he's a little bit confused. Sheesh
I’m in the lower ranks of CS2 (nova), it’s severely understated how much better my counter strafing has improved with the wooting 60he+. In particular, my movements feel more snappy when I prefire/clear angles. I think that the wooting won’t be helpful for people who don’t put in smart effort into improving their movement
I could have bought a cheaper option, but I think of the wooting as buying a more expensive Nvidia gpu options for marginal improvements, because I can. When you’re wearing a headset, things like keyboard sound don’t matter much. You will probably own multiple keyboards anyway if that is your hobby, so the wooting won’t be your nice sounding/feeling keyboard
*People who liked the 60HE+ but just didn't love the 60% layout, will definitely be pleased with the 80HE.* It has better switches, better acoustics, better case options, lower latency, 8K polling, LED bar, gasket mount etc and the price is basically the same as the 60HE+ with the PCR case.
I think the Ghost PCR case looks pretty dope too bad you didn't get to try it.
i think this review is amazing on every front except for the gaming side. firstly, as someone who has used everything from cheap modded optical keyboards to expensive mechanical gaming keyboards, I can say that HE keyboards are 100% software reliant, and when you compare the wooting keyboards to anything cheaper, or even more expensive keyboards, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of consistency and level of perfection. gaming has a huge range of experience. as someone who daily drove a membrane keyboard, then an optical keyboard, then tried a mechanical keyboard, and then an HE keyboard, they definitely all can be used well, but there's clear winners.
(for me, mechanical < membrane < optical < HE, but the mechanical keyboard i tried had cherry blue switches otherwise it beats the membrane)
when you look at how inputs are processed with an optical or mechanical keyboard, you have to adapt to what your keyboard is doing, regardless of how customized it is. with the wooting, it does what you need it to do no matter what, just change the settings. this has a higher effect the better you are at games and the more sensitive you are to those changes. for me, im really sensitive to any change in my gaming space. fps, refresh rate, mice, keyboards, headphones, all of it. when i play with an HE keyboard, its the only time that i can truly forget about using the keyboard as a tool and just playing purely off reaction. every other keyboard ive ever used, and that includes the razer HE keyboard, it felt like a keyboard in game.
all the "gimmicks" you stated all also have use, especially outside of ultra popular competitive games like cs2, valorant, and overwatch. wanna use rappy snappy in a game of redmatch 2? i garuntee you nobody will stop you. i play lots of indie games at their smaller, competitive levels, and having an HE keyboard truly does make a difference in a lot of these games. many of these games just arent big enough for this kind of stuff to need to be restricted.
lastly, i want to once again say how much i loved this review from the keyboard enthusiast side. i am a bit disappointed at how you always compare keyboards with what you "should expect at that price point" because it makes it seem like you overhype cheap keyboards and give misleading ideas. if you say these keyboards are cheap and arent worth getting, a gamer will just get a keyboard that straight up wont give them the experience they were looking for. i get it, its a lot for the experience that YOU want. but once again, gamers will game on a keyboard with cherry blue switches and no stabilizers if it means a seamless gaming experience. this is #1 for people who care about gaming, and you make it sound like its not.
i would love it if you in some way told us "this is how much this keyboard is worth" so we can at least look at your multiple videos and be like "this is what im willing to spend, and this is the best for my buck". if you're willing to make a website for it, look at what crinacle does for IEMs and headphones, he's got a whole website built for those looking for the best experience.
if you read this far, congrats! you get a cookie! 🍪
So you don't like Hall Effect keyboards but instead of making a review around it you are comparing them in terms of sound and feeling to conventional switches. Like... What's the point in comparing to completely different things?
Because its a keyboard, not a completely different product. there is no way on earth I'm gonna spend $200 on a plastic, bad sounding, keyboard that scratches easily, without being a professional in a field that requires Wootings brand specifically. Sound is very important for people in the keyboard field, and spending $200 on a board with absolutely zero external attraction is absurd.
Fair but I think you missed my point, it's that you should compare hall effect with normal keyboards.
One of my main points in my video is that they aren't that different for the vast majority of people who want a keyboard. At the end of the day its a totally fair comparison to compare one kind of keyboard switch with another, especially when you layout the pros and cons of both. A lot of people don't need the hall effect switch or won't benefit from rapid trigger and they should know about alternatives
@@mask_snake107 sounds fine to me but im not autistic
@@mask_snake107no one’s telling you to spend the $200 or to get wooting specifically lol
Btw hipyo got an early review unit so the scratching on the white zinc alloy shouldnt be prevalent in the units that are being sent out rn. Even if it were to be prevalent it’d be covered by warranty.
@@swtch..whats a good alternative with all the same features but half the price?
HE has come a long way in a short time in terms of accessibility, and since it's gaining some market popularity, I don't think it will take too long before we have some competitive switch options in the space.
Personally, I don't see the point of buying the prebuilt, For me its all about the build. Having said that, you're paying for the module for the most part when you purchase the prebuilt.
Keychron Q1 MAX user here. I decided - on purpose - against optical or HE switches. The Q1 MAX sounds and feels incredible, the build quality is just top notch. Wouldn't want to change anything. And I've never been THAT competitive to abstain from the feeling of quality lubed mechanical switches.
24 seconds ago?!??! Today's not my birthday!?!!
The paint "scratching" is not actually scratching. Just use a normal white eraser to remove the markings.
Hey, at least it's not Logitech and their proprietary bs that will probably start double clicking because it's Logitech and because it's not hotswappable you'll need a whole new keyboard lol
I was eyeing this until I saw you had to preorder it, ended up cutting costs a bunch and snagged the Lemokey P1, tossed some gateron whites in there and I'm in love.
Inferior
So basically if it sounded better you'd like it more, got it.
I honestly love so much that hippyo review this keyboard as a typer mostly and not a gamer. Every reviewers and their dog reviews it the same way, so having a different viewpoint is great. This is the problem on UA-cam nowadays, reviewers are all saying the same thing.
Ooof seeing you use a G502 almost makes any of your gaming/FPS opinions invalid for me. I respect your criticisms but your review seemed to focus more on comparing non-gaming features to conventional mechanical keyboards than actual other gaming HE keyboards. It would have been more interesting seeing a comprehensive comparison to other HE keyboards or even a super modded 60HE. I watched the whole video and even replayed some parts but I hope you take this as constructive criticism instead of a hater comment.
P.S. Please get a better office chair, your butt and back will be happier later in life! I highly recommend Herman Miller or Steelcase chairs, even if they are used!
The funny part is he did a whole video on Herman Miller Embody, speaking with an ergonomics expert and realizing that chair are also unique designs and not one style will be ideal for every person. Thus realizing that the Herman Miller Embody was not for him. But the amount of copium here for Wooting is insane. We got all these pro gamers I've never heard of coming into his comment section to explain "Well, actually..." to a UA-camr that literally reviews and builds keyboards for a living.
Also criticizing the mouse someone uses also makes no sense. I bet my right nut a professional gamer that has won titles can beat you in whatever game you play using an old trackball mouse.
@@brunoyuji9203 The Embody is but one model and is pretty limited in the ideal demographic of users. If strictly speaking HM, the Aeron and Mirra2 are better universal fits and are all mesh like his current chair. Both can be had used for $300-400, sometimes cheaper as the demand for them has vastly declined, especially in a dense techy city like Seattle.
You say criticizing a mouse makes no sense, yet you fail to state why it makes no sense. I said a G502 makes his FPS opinions invalid for me (again to emphasize >> FOR ME
@@brunoyuji9203 he builds keyboards but isn't good at using them lol. Also i don't think he is criticizing the mouse, its just that most of the fps gamers have already switched away from mouse like g502 so hipyo doesn't feel like he is part of the fps crowd this keyboard is for. That trackball analogy is stupid tho some mouse can straight up not track faster movements at all
@@brunoyuji9203 The Embody is just one model. If looking at HM, the Aeron or Mirra2 are better universal fits and can be had used for 300-400 as well as being all mesh like his current chair.
I never once insulted him or his FPS skills, but you took it personally like I insulted you instead. Are you a G502 user? Did I hurt your feelings? Any FPS gamers who are remotely competitive will lean towards lighter weight mice just like they will prefer HE keyboards for the faster input speed. A person playing with a 60Hz monitor will always be at a disadvantage against others who play at 120-400+ Hz.
It's obvious Hipyo is a very casual gamer at least for FPS games and he has a preference for thocky non-HE keyboards so this was never going to be well reviewed by him. That said, I gave clear criticism on the "why" his review of a gaming keyboard was focusing on non-gaming features and the "how" to improve it by comparing it to more HE gaming keyboards.
Disclaimer: I have no Wooting products, I'm just a fellow keyboard enthusiast that started back in early 2012.
@@brunoyuji9203 him trying to undermine the impact of Rapid Trigger was enough for me to know that Hippyo has no idea on how to judge competitive gaming keyboards.
I agree with your points, but Im not sure I agree with the way you're making your argument with rapid trigger. It is a feature that shines brighter on pros' hands, and indeed you should look at your own skills and the price of this board to determine if its worth it, but that is no reason to dismiss it.
A good comparison to pull here is high refresh rate monitors, it was an expensive tech that people needed to look at whether they can take enough advantage of it to make it worth the price, but once you go there you don't go back, because it is as good as the people said it was, and it was just expensive. HE needs to be made cheaper, not dismissed, just like HFR did a couple years ago. God damn these days 240hz is like sub 300.
Anyway, got K2 HE on pre order, much lower price tag therefore it really just need to good HE to justify its price for me. That zinc alloy casing is a mighty disappointment, not to mention the lack of wireless made it a hard choice anyway.
The price tag keeps coming up in this video. For me, a big part of why I accept it, is that I want to support a company that seems to be driving the development of gaming keyboards. I’m prepared to pay a premium for that.
I ordered the V2 switches for my 60 HE and I strongly disagree with the "barely better" take over the originals. The V2 (L45) Lekker Switch is a massive improvement in both sound and stem wobble over the originals.
Hipyo! When are you going to review the Keychron Q1 HE? That would be a good head to head with the Wooting 80HE
I bought the polar 75 pro around a month ago and love it. 160 bucks, metal border on the case that feels really good, and awesome performance in game. Wooting is definitely putting a wooting tax on this board and know people are going to hype it up in reviews while ignoring its shortcomings.
At least for ISO layout they have pretty much 0 competition outside of Keychron and Keychron is expensive as well so no reason to lower prices.
Than you for making a very honest video on this keyboard since I bought it 3-4 months ago and got liminal data on how good it is.
Being overly harsh doesn’t constitute “very honest”
I actually mostly got the wooting 80he because I want to try the hall effect switches. I have heard how hall effect switches are incredibly smooth. Funny enough in this 23:21 minute review, you never talked about it. You mentioned many times they feel bad or "lack luster" and then immediately demonstrate how they sound. Are you only judging the feel and typing experience on the sound of the switch? As it seems this is the case.
Also what did you not like about the ABS case? Was it not machined properly, was it not tight fitting or the surface finishing or texturing to your liking? I almost bought a Norbauer custom case for my topre board for Frosted Polycarbonate for like 560 plus dollars. Just the case, so it is obvious quality. Are you not liking the case because of the weight/sound only? As from sound tests I seem to much prefer the abs and I do not like heavy keyboards
Putting 100$ boards without hall effect as "context" is disingenuous.
I can, and do, change the actuation distance on my full wooting keyboard regularly, depending on whether Im playing games or writing code.
There literally is no other type of keyboard that can do this.
The only keyboards that come close cost the same or more.
Monsgeek M1 v3 HE
@@HipyoTechthe M1 v3 is a standard MX switch keyboard... I'm decently sure that I can't press a button and go from a setting optimized for how I like to type while coding to how I like to play Minecraft on that one...
Again, it's disingenuous to put an entirely different type of device as context to something that is just radically different.
I don't compare a baking oven to a toaster and then shit on the oven for being too expensive to make toast...
@@HipyoTechnevermind, I got confused by their site. It still only comes in ANSI, so it's literally useless outside of murrica.
@@Argosh drunkdeer apparently support ANSI for quite a few country layouts as well and they have some much cheaper rt boards
@@Argoshhe said M1 v3 HE (hall effect) there are HE versions aswell and far better build and the software is very good aswell. Read properly before replying 😂
Hello Hipyo!
I am on a bit of a quest right now and hope you can point me in the right direction, since the 80HE failed...
I am looking for:
- 75% with a Knob and ISO-DE layout
- Decent Gasket performance
- Relatively good sound out of the Box.
- VIA/QMK or at least decent software for Macros (not like ASUS...)
Since the ISO-DE requirement is the most limiting factor the Keyboards I am currently eyeing are:
- Keychron Q1 MAX
- Lemokey P1 Pro
- Monsgeek M1W V3
If you have a tip or better Alternatives I am really thankful. I already have pretty nice Keycaps from PBTFans, so those won't be an issue
Rapid trigger is much more useful than snap tap
I think your critique is reasonable. Would have liked to get my hands on a wooting keyboard, but not at that price. I have disposable income but lack the time to sink hundreds of hours onto Apex Legends nowadays. Which is why I got a used (but almost new) huntsman V2 for 45 bucks from a guy in my neighborhood instead, who upgraded to a wooting 💁 I'm not enough of a pro to make the most of hall effect switches and the huntsman was cheap enough to be happy with it (and it works quite well without the bloated software!)
Did bro just say “Rapid Trigger makes no difference” to the Person who revolutionized the Gaming Keyboard Market as a whole? 💀
I don't like how wooting dropped the "razer style" curved edge of the front of the 60HE with the 80HE. It also seems like the plastic case design is a lot more flimsy. I personally don't really like the feel of metal cases because I have my keyboard sitting on my lap a lot of the time when reclined in my chair. I just wish more people offered curved front edges on keyboard cases, even metal ones. It's just way more comfortable to not have a sharp or any real edge in my opinion.
Rapid trigger is not banned... and it's the greatest selling point of Hall Effect keyboards, not SOCD
This dude is cool for custom keyboards, but hes not a fps gamer obv. I wouldnt rly trust him when it comes to gaming keyboards, like these.
I know, I mention in this video that SOCD is banned not rapid trigger
@@maxzoRHD which is why I prefer his gaming keyboard video's because he us coming from the perspective of a casual gamer which is most people and let's be honest for most people they aren't good enough to truly take advantage of it. And he also cares about quality more which is in my opinion the biggest factor.
@@Bobaboy17if you aren’t buying this keyboard as a pro or someone trying to maximize the features you probably shouldn’t be buying it. A lot of it’s price tag is these features or involved with these features such as (so far) forever software upgrades
@shuhei9571 yeah that's why I like it as most people just think they will instantly become good with it but it doesn't do that but they think it does because of pros saying it does but hipyo is just a casual like most people.
Mad respect for the roast. I have a love for the wooting 60 and a die hard 80 layout guy so probably sticking with my pre-order.
I spent almost $400 on a badass wooting 60he build, it’s the best keyboard I’ve ever held, and as a wannabe pro the Hall effect switches are definitely worth it
same, he didnt say a thing about latency too and thats like such a important part for me
how can you get it to a $400 price point
i just bought the zinc keyboard(white unfortunately) and i think some accessories and i dont think i got it to 400
@@MrFaleh1129the 60he has different third party case options that can get expensive
@@ogdmoqqi6473 yes it's very important, a thing you cannot feel or prove it's difference and we are at a point where you need to use machines to check differences... latency lives in your head rent free at this point lmao There was a moment when Wooting was mile ahead of anyone else, but the Chinese companies are catching up as they keep updating the firmwares.
I just put together my first custom mechanical keyboard (coming from a 7+ year old Corsair K95 Platinum) and decided to stick with traditional switches seeing how many more options there are for sound, feel, color and budget. There are a few boards out there now with pcbs that can take 5 pin switches or HE, I'm hoping that we eventually get some kind of hybrid switch design that gives us the versatility in feel for typing and the analog control for gaming.
Wow that review was incredible mid. Just keep doing what you do best!
There's some feeling I had about not pre ordering, I didn't know what it was but I decided to hold off on pre ordering and thank God I did, I hope they fix these issues and reduce the price because that's just ridiculous.
What issues... didn't see a single one
@@mikerzisu9508respectfully, please watch the video again and see for yourself
Lowering the price and putting more cost into production, I wish all companies could run on a loss
@@shuhei9571 if they did that, they wouldn't be in business very long
I don't think the sound is that important on keyboards, as long as it is not obnoxiously distracting I would rather have quieter switches, the quieter the better tbh. Maybe for some people the clickity clack is comforting, but it really does not do anything for my gameplay.
This is the worst part about keyboard reviewers. They talk about this stupid sound profile, but the only thing I want is "quiet". The entire hobby of keyboard enthusiast care more about sound than actual typing or usefulness.
@@brettmurf It is indeed baffling. I think part of that is because the average person can't tell the difference between most of the features but can tell if the sound is different. After all, the only things a youtube video can directly convey are the look and sound of a keyboard. Anything else like feel would be very much descriptive and not the same.
Doing my own review pretty soon here. Very insightful though, lots of stuff to keep in mind. Hope I enjoy it more than you do 😅
"I am the target demographic gamer"
* Proceeds to show bot like CS2 movement *
😂
Native res, keyboard is 0* with no tilt, using a desk pad instead of a QCK or Artisan pad... he's a casual lol
@@ChromeXuGames a ton of pros are running native rez
@melonxo Yea but they also run decent mousepads that's for sure and they actually learn and play better than this dogshit.
Dont forget the G502 mouse xdddd
I wouldn't come here for a real generalist's review on the keyboard. Hipyo holds extremely niche opinions on keyboards based on things regular consumers likely won't care about. The nitpicking is very specific and tailored to his desired experience. Keep and hold this video with a grain of salt.
We need you to roast the new glorious gmmk 3 next
that thing roasted itself with the first sound test, not even worth 5$.
IDK if that thing is even worth my eyeballs hahaha it makes the wooting look like the keyboard of the year
Just buy any HE keyboard that works for you... There are already many good options in the market. Melgeek Made 68 Pro, Sikakeyb HM66, Everglide SU68 / SU75, and so on...
3 views. Last time I was this early Nola’s breed still had long hair.
Hipyo is only here to roast keyboards even your favorite
Roasted the best kb in the world
@@yupaaa243 lol
Man am I glad i got the fully custom version with raw zinc and just using my own key caps 😂 1 set of free switches too!
100% agree with the part about buying better hardware just to become a better gamer, good players like Aceu can still destroy most players with a g502 and a membrane keyboard. People should be improving their basic game skills/sense first before looking to buy hardware.
However, I will say that having a good mouse and keyboard made it much easier for me to improve my gaming skills. Having a comfortable lightweight mouse allowed me grip it better and stopped the pain i experience during long sessions, while adjustable actuation helped me stop fat-fingering certain keys. RT also allowed me to spam keys quickly without needing the muscle memory of holding my press right before the switch's actuation point. Good hardware might not immediately make you better, but if you know how to fully utilise it, it will make improving easier.
Really L take...i dont think this video was well thought out at all it just seems like you have an unreasonable bias against he keyboards this dosent seem like a wooting reivew at all to me i hope your takes on your next video are like your past ones..this just made you look bad in my eyes
You can tell by the crosshair placement that the 1000 hours in CS is probably cap.
Just like hardware, 1000s of hours doesn't make anyone good at a game
you will be surprised to learn how many players with 1k hrs don't know crosshair placement, 1k is a small number
Doesn't mean he is lying, he's just not gifted at the game or probably FPS games in general. Many people suck and have flaws in the most basic things even after 3000 hours.
@@HipyoTecheveryone*. That is the correct word considering the "1000s of hours" part.
@@lepari9986 what % of cs2 players are stuck sub 4000 elo at 3k hours ?
To each their own. I have a Wooting 60he+ module with custom switches, case, and keycaps. Sounds great and gave me a legitimate boost in my Valorant performance. Plus it makes it more fun when it feels like your peripherals are directly and truly listening to you. I miss this feeling when im using my other keyboards.
Some points
1- SOCD have ONLY been banned on CS2, no other game banned it
2- You talk about other keyboards, but most of other HE keyboards have awful hardware, a lot of them are scanning the keys at 125hz polling even when advertised at 1000. 80HE do true 8000hz
3- Software for a keyboard so configurable like this, is not an small advantage, is a HUGE advantage, specially when you probably will configure the game for a lot of things and change between multiple profiles
4- Rapid trigger and SOCD makes almost anyone improve instantly. CS2 before the ban was just absurd, but overwatch is crazy what you can do and it is not banned. Same for valorant, hunt, quake, you name it. On everyone is a HUGE deal, and only cs2 banned it, a single title.
5- Gamers usually don't care that much about sound, you wear headphones to play. I mean, even most people on IT liking mechanical keyboards for the sound, end using them with ANC headphones to not hear anything and have just music.
6- Wooting is mostly about performance, not looks. They try to do pretty things and improve the sound because at the end of the day, if they can, it's better, but on this keyboards, what you review is never what the consumer nor the designers prioritize
7- 0 technical analysis, 0 talking about polling rates, mcu, latency, etc.
Your review is not for gamers, nor it does analyze any technical data, is just a "I don't like the sound so is not worth it", like "I don't like the sound of this Ferrari, is too strident, I prefer the noise of this electric vehicle" I mean, targets
You say you are the target for this keyboard, but it's clear that you don't review for the target who buys it, but instead You just did a review for the mechanical keyboard community around sound and feels which are on the complete opposite side of the target.
Sorry if it sounds too harsh, but it's the truth, the only thing useful here for the consumer target is the problem with the white zinc case.
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your 5th point is actually so stupid, imagine using ANC headphones in your room lmfao. Don't you know the best sounding headphones are open back and doesn't have every good sound isolation? Don't you know there are studio monitors that sound way better than any ANC headphones? Also you are completely ignoring the "feel" of a keyboard, which is just as important. Go defend your wooting board however you like, but when it comes to feel and sound it's like worse than a $80 keyboard from China LOL!
@@Orisu179 My 5th point is divided in two, and I can tell you I've seen a lot of people working with XM5 or bose QC because it's much more comfortable having everything in one (mic for calls, and computer music seamless change) and with expensive keyboards that they just doesn't heard at all
But the main point is, a gaming keyboard which would be fine if sounded super beautiful but is not the selling point. The point is this is a keyboard for performance first and everything else secondary. If it sounds great nice, but if it sounds like crap, people who buy for gaming, are still not gonna give a s about it, because they don't buy it for the sound/fell
@@jdv8867 Yeah it doesn't make sense at all. A lot of people that are into keyboards are usually into headphones too, and for them usually open back is the way to go, due to the soundstage those offers and just better sound quality in general. And you could definitely hear the keyboard sounds with those.
For your second point, yeah cool that gamers are ok with keyboards that feel like complete garbage and useless outside of gaming, and they will still get destroyed by someone higher ranked than you without a wooting. If what you said is true, then Wooting's target audience is niche af, unless you are a pro gamer there are literally no reasons why you should get one with how overpriced they are. As someone who plays a lot of rhythm games, I value the sound and feel of a keyboard way more than all those HE bs, if it feels too responsive it will mess up my timing.
@@Orisu179 useless outside gaming lol
And here I was, thinking that a keyboard was meant to push keys and somehow the wooting cannot do it outside gaming because visual studio or word doesn't recognize it lmao
and of course wooting audience is niche, is a keyboard for """hardcore""" gamers. It's as niche as a keyboard of 200€ who sounds glorious to you. 99.9% of the people is just gonna run with a 10$ membrane one. Expensive keyboards are niche in audience. That's why logitech sells millions upon millions and have a market cap of 13.000 millions and whatever your favourite keyboard manufacturer is, will sell a few thousands or the biggest launch of wooting was founded by backers with 7 million € and not 700. Even keychron is still niche brand.
you may value what makes you happy, and that's fine, in your case sound or "feel", and same as you, other's we value the performance and we don't give a rat about the "THOCK" or "thick" or "the feels", because we want the lowest input latency ever, socd and other perks. And same as a fast responsive keyboard mess with your timing (which btw, doesn't make sense that a responsive keyboard mess with your timing in rhythm games, also why OSU players flock to this keyboards) , a slow keyboard will mess with ours. But even then, with a HE keyboard you define the actuation point to where you like so it can be responsive or slow like a normal one. You are not forced to use 0.1mm of activation point, you can go higher or lower, from 0.1 to 40mm while on a normal mechanical keyboard the actuation point is usually fixed at 1.3/1.6mm, so you are not making sense nor do know what an HE is. And if you don't even know what you can do with it after the review, then Hypno failed miserably explaining what it is, what it does, how does it, and why it's great even to people like you who thinks it isn't (but in reality it is as you play rhythm games)
There's not a single decent fps player who have tried a wooting and it's not impressed by it and ended with an HE as main. And saying that because we are not pros therefore this keyboard is useless is a pretty crappy example. It's like saying that because you are not kirk hammett, buying a guitar is stupid, or because you don't live of selling photos, buying a decent monitor to edit your own ones in photoshop doesn't make sense. Or buying a fast responsive lightweight mouse is also useless because at the end of the day, you are not a pro, so why use a gaming mouse instead of just playing with a controller or a touchpad
As I said in the beginning, different targets, and Hipyo is not reviewing this keyboard for the intended target but to the complete opposite, the whole review is about what it feels and how it sounds, not about how it performs. He didn't even manage to measure the latency lol, not a single reference to the bare minimum of the features people who bought it care about.
And that's in the end the problem. Reviewing a ferrari as a wagon and how it performs to bring your 4 kids to school or go all on a 6 family vacation, instead of just using the ferrari inside a circuit because that's the intended use, that's the reason of why was designed and manufactured at first, and why people is purchasing it at second.
the problem is that it's not a default TKL layout. can you imagine dropping a Wooting TKL pcb in a Geon TKL with Geon plate so it works with the gasket haha..
From what I can tell, the zinc issues seem to be review sample keyboards and are under warranty. This video hugely understates the benefits of HE keyboards, fails to address many improvements that YOU requested over the 60HE and overall is a fairly ragebait video (thumbnail says it all) You also included misleading cuts in the interview where the woot team were talking about the minimal benefit to 8Khz polling and you spun it as them saying that rapid trigger had no benefit. Overall, mid review at best and clearly shows bias.
From what I was told, review samples were production units.
The benefits of HE keyboards ARE hugely overstated. Videos claiming the keyboard is almost cheating has genuinely brainwashed people. Rapid trigger DOES have benefits like I explicitly state and outline, but they are widely niche benefits. The amount of people that have come to my comments and said that a keyboard is useless for gaming unless it has RT is insane. People out here genuinely believe that if you don't have one you can't compete, and that's just factually wrong.
I literally show the part of the interview where they say rapid trigger has objective benefits. They said 8k polling has no benefit.
@@HipyoTech In which case, the zinc coating really needs to be addressed (and it is, the woot team are hot on the case,) as that level of quality isn't acceptable. I followed along with the development of the keeb and they did mention struggling to make a good coating for the zinc.
I bring up the interview as others that I talked to about this review did mention confusion in which of the features was useless, many thought it was RT.
The people believing that if you don't have HE then you can't compete are delusional. Same with the ones that think it will make you better. But the HE nature of this keyboard does have many benefits like the few you mentioned, along with improvements in consistency with complex input, the fact you can use a keyboard as an analogue input (press w harder to walk faster, or turn better in games that feature driving)
All in all I feel that you really aren't the target demographic (yes you play games) but from what I can tell after watching you for a while, you really love your fully custom keyboards/niche keyboards and don't mind a whole lot about performance. It's almost like complaining about a fork because it cant pick up soup like a spoon can.
I am personally getting one as I wanted a 60HE but larger. I really appreciate the level of support that wooting has, and plan to buy one and modify it down the line with an 3rd party case and keycaps. From all the testing I've seen the woot leads the pack in performance, keyboard feel is subjective as many other reviewers love the feel of this woot, but the attention to detail, support and (aside from the zinc coating) build quality absolutely make this worth the price.
@@HipyoTech and apologies for coming on a bit aggressively, part of it was the ragebait getting me, and part is that I did preorder and feel the need for the keyboard to be good, that doesn't excuse some of the things I talked about however.
@@HipyoTech never seen the "if you don't have one you can't compete" comments in your section, one or two comments isn't the majority opinion my guy it just feels like you are overstating the public perception to fit your argument.
Snap Tap has started and ended during this and last month. Hall effect keyboards have been a synonym for a "modern gaming keyboard" for over a year already.
From my own experience of switching from rubber dome to a mechanical keyboard, inability to quickly and reliably tap the same key repeatedly was my main gripe (also mistyped keys). Having control over actuation points would be incredibly useful.
This guy doesn't even know how to ten finger type and he is telling us how keyboard should feel.
I preordered 80HE as my first Wooting product and after seeing this video I was a bit worried of getting bad keyboard. After testing the keyboard I am glad that majority of this video is carbage. 80HE is definitely not a premium keyboard for enthusiast but its not bad either. Typing feel and sound is actually very good if you compare it to other gaming keyboards. I would be mad if they sacrificed the gaming feel with typing feel. Gaming feel is superior compared to any non hall sensor keyboard! Haven't tried many analog keyboards but I would be surprised if someone has made clearly better keyboard with rapid trigger. Also this keyboard if not just for pros. Any decent Counter Strike player would notice (and also get benefit) the difference between rapid trigger and standard switch so I don't know what you are talking about your gaming hours.
I don't know if I would say Hall Effect is only for Pros. Sure, Pros will make best use of it. But anyone who wants to be competitive at all, and wants every advantage they can get can use Hall Effect. It won't make them magically better, but it could be the difference in some situations still. And for those that value, every single advantage, they'd probably want Hall Effect still.
16:05 Is that ASUS Armory Crate catching a stray lol? If so then that’s 100% valid.
AC sucks
Yes hahaha
Im really confused by some of the comments in this video.
Particularly saying something feels cheap, but then calling it very heavy and then saying it feels fake heavy, even though you recognise that it isn't.
It just felt like you wanted to farm extra negatives for some reason that I don't understand.
The paint is a huge issue though, and im stunned they shipped the white zinc with such a shoddy coat.
I lost brain cells on this one. I’m not even in this market segment for keyboards, and I think enthusiasts keyboards are generally BS. Hall Effect is substantial though.
I see hypocrisy in being an enthusiast, and somehow all of the gripes here make no sense why this, that, or the other is bad. One moment there’s awareness of the product space and this should mean he understands what to look for and value/validate relatively speaking, and then the next he’s blasting the entire feature set? The SOCD feature isn’t the only reason to want HE. My take: he’s butthurt over price.
The Gateron Jade Pros are a markedly better sounding switch than the regular Jades. They almost completely removed the collision noises.
This review is like getting a Ferrari and complaining about the gas milage.
it's more like buying a Tesla then realizing all the panel gaps and build quality is bad. they have the best software and features that arguably no one has but the build quality / $ is nowhere near the best budget boards.
@@v000000000000v no, you didn’t understand
@@_OUTERHEAVEN no, you didn’t understand