Big Brown Trout in Skinny Water in ATV, Dirt Bike & Motorhead HELL! Finding SOLACE & PEACE
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
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Some people evidently don't realize that what you're piffed about is how the 4x4's shred the riverbeds to pieces. Maybe you could talk about how motorized vehicles destroy the streams and kill fish and the whole river ecosystem? Good for you for standing your ground and saying something to the motorbiker in a non-confrontational way. Like dude, we are fishing here. It's super lame to run your motorcycle through the stream and ruin YOUR day vs his.
Good point and something to consider moving forward in a different video. We really wanted to make a video that has an underlying pushback against the often self-righteous fly fishing purist that projects things have to be "just so" or otherwise the day is ruined. This video is intended to be exactly that - just because the worst case scenario happens, we can still get past ourselves and enjoy our day :)
@@tylerspri comparing 4x4 trail damage to hiker trail damage is like comparing a wound from a Shotgun to a BB gun wound.
@@tylerspri It's funny because I was the initial chair of the proposed BigHorn Wildland Coalition to create a wildland Park in central Alberta nearly 30 years ago - we had a LOT of support and agreement. The stumbling block... motorized vs non-motorized users. And the motorized user group argued the same thing then as you are here now. The funky part is that the position isn't wrong, it is misplaced - please realize I'm about to agree with all of what you say with an asterix, and that asterix is essentially the ticking clock of time. To explain - NOBODY can argue that the impact on a stream with motorized machinery isn't heavy and immediate. Add the volume of motorized users here and you get some severe impact. I think the point you're missing is the totality of impact of one machine vs other users. That's non-arguable. HOWEVER, to your point, and I agree 100%, eventually as the volumes of non-motorized users - horses, walkers, mountain bikes, etc gains volume and traction, eventually those culminate to also have a net negative impact. It doesn't matter how much BEYOND the threshold human use impact is, once it is past acceptable limits, it's past it. As we see with hiking trails in the alpine or the poppy trampling Instagram chasers, or the Roy's Peak phenomenon near Wanaka or... on and on it goes, the ticking time bomb of eventuality is that it's all beyond what is the threshold. Motorized users as they are doing here is immediately at that threshold... but is it past it? Given the creek dries up most summers, given that the irrigation use for vineyards and agriculture suck the life out of it, given that the brown trout are non-native yet somehow manage to exist through it all... does any of this matter in this location anyway? This one really challenges me personally on the environmental side of things but even I'm faced with shrugging and saying "it it what it is" and can choose to fish here or not. That's why we didn't focus on THAT angle of things in this video and used it to look at our own minds and how we perceive the inherent conflict of being literally run over vs staying the course and finding the magic in even the most impossible of locations. THAT's why we designed the video as we did, THAT's why we lead people in the way we did with title and thumbnail... to get people to understand that even in the worst projection of conflict that we CAN find solace, find some magic, find our enjoyment despite being embedded into what we would call our worst case scenario. And we pulled it all off, kept our heads, found some magic and can share. Hopefully you get the totality of things.
@zombierider2794 those are both bb guns wounds
@@kevinsanders3758 technically, but BB guns are usually air and shotguns...arent :p
You constantly amaze me with your ability to find large Trout, even in little creeks like this!!!! If you need a camera man, bartender, or porter to help out on your adventures, I'm your guy !!!
:) it's a time thing... full concentration and dedication to the find and then film, edit, produce, publish :)
Strange that your country allows you to drive in a riverbed. That is not allowed in my country, kills a lot of the water life
Oh, most countries it's not allowed. There has to be political will to enforce that common sense regulation, mind you. Using a riverbed as a motorhead track makes zero sense until you zoom out to the bigger picture of that stream, how a country's region dries up, how agriculture wins the day. Beyond the real point of the video there's an interesting conversation/discussion to be had here given that creek often dries up completely late summer.
Hey didn't you folks get the memo, big browns only eat big flies! Size #18? Rookies...😄 Love that big broon that jumped up into the bushes a couple of times. Wow!
Ain't it great that those fish were still there and active in all that! :) Yeah, like motors, our flies need to be BIGGER! :)
Wonderful spotting and wonderful focus on lovely fishing opportunities despite the extreme challenge. You were able to challenge the two riders with much humorous acceptance and an admirable lack of anger. Wonder how I would have done! I wonder if Amelia lost that first fish which jumped mainly because there was so little slack in the system that the rod was near horizontal at the crucial moment. Horizontal rod equals no flex equals pulled hook or broken tippet. That's my hunch.
:) well, I tried to get past myself. Reality is that like it or not we have to keep zooming out for perspective. Right or wrong, should or shouldn't be there, reality is that we were all there and it was up to us to set the boundary to leave OR to stay and get past our expectations of having things "our way" and simply finding the magic that was still there to be found :) Not always easy!
Hello from eastern oregon. I feel your pain. Trust me. Down here it's not quads. It's a side by side epidemic. Same difference
It is a real challenge to get past our minds and find the enjoyment / magic of the day when it goes like this, but as we share, if we can get past it there is magic to be found. Now, should a riverbed be a motorhead trail? Well, that's sadly become a global issue, hasn't it? N America, New Zealand, Patagonia... we'd hope we'd be smarter than we are collectively, but...
@jensenflyfishing everybody should be able to enjoy the outdoors. It why I guide. But riverbeds and riparian zones are not the places for 4 wheeling in my opinion. It's a crime against our dwindling precious resources.
Under water Spike strips keep dancing in my head 🤔. 😂😂😂
Clare and I feel your pain, Dave and Amelia. Surprised you fished on a such a busy day. Having fished there for years we have noticed a marked increase in recreational vehicle use, probably coinciding with the increase in population in the general area. We only fish that area in the first month or so of the season and never on weekends or public holidays. In saying that this river has had 4WD's since I can remember even back in the early 70's, just not on this scale. Brilliant video, some lovely fish caught. Looking forward to the new season. Hopefully there are some good flushes during the winter.
I was hoping to see you on here :) It was a very deliberate choice to go in to that water when we did. We actually wanted to do a video with real results that essentially says "hey, the conflict is in our heads with how we perceive the motorized users" and the results of the fishing really spell it out - if you give it time and poke about the fish are still the and active. We do the same and there are actually a couple of videos to come from pre-willow removal that feature the best fishing we had... from 3.5+m3sec flows, which seems to be about the flows that the motorheads start to really get in there. And to your point, it's a long history of users, they aren't just this lower bit, the mouth of the gorge a serious problem, and again... it's up to us to choose to or not fish there and how we conduct our minds and ourselves with others. A really neat opportunity to share. All this and yeah, we're foreigners with no voice. At the end of the day there is a great discussion to be had about trout being there, irrigation withdrawals for ag/vineyards, motorized use and if humanity has crossed the threshold on use of that creek... to wit we could then look at the rest of that and other similar regions. But, again, foreigners ;) :)
Something ii learned fishing in crowded waters, here in Alberta, those river bed disturbers release food. I was fishing the Pembina River downstream from swimmers. The fishing was great because the 40 people playing in the water kick up a huge number of insects from the rocks.
all that and when they get pushed to a congregating area away from swimmers they're not only concentrated but on the feed :)
In some states landowners own the river bed and can stop anyone from using the stream running through their property. I have found they are more apt to let a conscientious fisherman who takes the time to get permission have access than a bunch of motor heads damaging their property.
But land owners also stop fisherman 🙄. Just look at Wyoming.
@@ccsocal768 I’ve been granted permission more times than not. It doesn’t bother me to know that even though I won’t be fishing a certain stretch of stream, neither will it be ruined by motorized traffic.
the +/- of private streambed ownership.
It is a very small planet. Even the most remote regions of southern Patagonia have endless lines of fenceposts...
some of the greatest expanses of actual wilderness are found in the largest tracts of private lands where recreation and public demands of National Parks don't exist.
WOW!... Now I know I am spoiled. My worst conflict is with stone-skimmers and dog swimmers getting to the pool before me. Goodonya for staying the course and making a great day of fishing from a pig’s arse of humanity. Beside wanton harm done to streams by rapacious industrialization, commercial agriculture, rampant urbanization etcetera, there still are dolts out there willingly, gleefully compounding that harm. “We have met the enemy, and he is us.” - Pogo.
We are quite the animal on the planet - we know what our impact is yet we always point to the next one of us as the real culprits.... But on this day the challenge was to get past ourselves and find that glimmer of hope and that ounce of magic. It's usually there in life if we get past ourselves...
There is a big difference between using a streambed as a trail and using a stream for a crossing for a motor trail where necessary.
At least you did not have to endure any air boats which you occasionally run into in the streams where I fish.
maybe the upside is that you can hear those air boats from further back and have a 5 minute countdown? I jest. Our planet is small.
Great video guys.
thank you :)
That was inspirational well done👍💯🔥
Glad you saw the magic in there - it's up to us to get past ourselves sometimes and find the magic 🥰
What a disgrace. I'm all for multiple use but when one user is destroying the resource, it's a disgrace.
There definitely is that but it is a unique situation where the creek tends to dry up due to drought and ag withdrawal so it is an iffy discussion in a foreign ctry with their ways and mgt where virtually everything is non native and mgt based on human values. It's hard to wrap your head around it but is real. And through it all is a little magic to be found
Dave you should’ve hooked him next time!
It was funny I was the one worried about getting fishing line in his rubber boots on his bike. There's heaps of funny things that could have come from it but at the end of the day we wanted this to be a video where we deliberately went to where this all was likely to happen in order to push back against the fly fisher's "things have to be perfect". Life ain't but we can get past ourselves and enjoy a great day when we do! :)
NZ is a mega petrol-head place esp in these non back/high country riverbeds. Yet on many days you don't see another soul.
100% that. But mostly good folk tbh. Timing is everything. We knew what we were getting into on that one and it really leant itself well to the point of the video - go and find the magic, it's there despite the motor stuff. It set that up well. Too many of us ff types expect everything to go our way - heaps ofnother users and we can still enjoy the day 👌
That footage after the hells angels was banging 👊
what every fly fisher is looking for! ;)
I generally don't mind running into others outdoors but I prefer I don't see a soul since most people these days seem to be inconsiderate; especially the motor heads.
Keeping our heads throughout it all is the point - stick to it and find the magic rather than to obsess about what isn't :)
We have a lot of ATV white trash around the Kern River but at least they are smart enough to not drive straight up the river. I did not know New Zealand is so backwards. Thought it was a green country? So sorry, that would drive me over the edge!
There are a lot of environmental issues about in New Zealand - most of the country that is in productivity mode (ie - outside of Dept of Conservation lands) is of non-native species of plants and animals and quite truly put to human value use or subjected to it. They are maturing in "where do we go from here?" on so many fronts because of it and so many policy issues are going to be forced to the forefront this coming generation. The era of "100% Pure" tourism branding is long gone and people based land and water management incoming.
Fabulous footage of that brown foraging.
Question. I see that you Jensens favor the Orvis backpack. But, isn't that inconvenient when it comes to changing flies etc? With a slingpack, I can access my bag while wading, but I don't see how you can do that with the backpack.
??
Thanks!
Every backpack with a waist band is a sling pack if you use it that way. :)
Where was this shot? What country?
we're trying to avoid that discussion, given that it could be any country really... focused on the battle for solace being in our heads. Cheers
looks just like the canterbury lowlands nz welcome to society 2024 you are right to be pissed
bingo - and not hard to figure which given the extensive news the whole thing has garnered for several years. Please see the pinned reply to get a better feel of the whole from our perspective - there again there's lots of replies to comments that touch on it all.
Those of you defending the trail riders, that they have as much right as the fly fishers....are making the usual weak false equivalence argument.
Fly fishers must have clean, healthy trout habitat in order to enjoy their sport and passion. These environments are, sadly, few and far between.
The trail riders, in comparison, can enjoy their sport at a much wider range of locations.
Its not so much a question of legality, as it is just plain bad manners and lack of consideration.
Dave and Amelia have to be somewhere on the water. The dirt bikers dont.
@tylerspri What total b.s.
On the one hand, you have an activity and use of the stream that harms no part of the natural environment. Catch and release fly fishing.
On the other hand, you have three-ton 4X4 trucks racing up and down the streambed, undoubtedly doing all sorts of damage to that freshwater aquatic environment.
Here in the U.S., if you operated your vehicle in this manner....you'd be promptly arrested for the destruction of habitat.
Plus, as Dave Jensen points out, there's a perfectly good road that parallels the stream. There's simply no reason to be driving in the streambed.
@tylerspri It's people like you that have put the beautiful natural environment of this planet at risk. Am I making a values judgment, that my passion, fly fishing, is superior to yours, four-wheeling?
You're damn right I am.
Fly fishing is the ultimate in peaceful, QUIET, contemplation of nature, while leaving the smallest possible footprint so that future generations....including your own children....will be able to enjoy these special places.
Tearing through the countryside in a 4X4, or quad, or dirt bike is on the opposite side of that spectrum. Not only are you literally tearing up the landscape, the noise and fumes harm the local wildlife.
The vast majority of fly fishers are wonderful stewards of the environment. They're conservation-minded and follow the principle of 'leave no trace'. We crush the barbs on our hooks so as not to harm the stunning fish we catch and release, even though this makes landing them less likely. We wet our hands before we handle a fish so as not to damage their protective mucus coating. We hold them only long enough to perhaps snap a quick pic, then carefully return them to the stream, first making sure they've revived sufficiently.
Compare all of that to stomping on an accelerator and blasting through the woods.
Please.