@@DavidZ4-gg3dm So 71K of them are Christians? Why even bring religion into it? Look at how many are lower class and you'll see a clear correlation between crime and income. But that wouldn't suit the narrative you're trying to push.
U.K. prision is a fully paid for 0 expense holiday, USA prison is punishment for the crime. Reason 80% reoffends, prison must be a good place to be in. HMP Wandsworth had female officer giving stress relief to inmates.
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What's the domestic feelings regarding the judicial system though? Are people vindictive or do they see emphasis should be on reintegration of convicts instead of punishment?
@@Ehrgeiz33Well Britain is very attached to the notion of justice rather than rehabilitation or anything. They see something wrong, they want that person to get punished (not by their hand, but still), and that can become quite extreme in some people's minds, thinking a person who got 4 years was much too little. I don't think it'll be pretty for sure, but if it has to happen then it'll have to because it's in such a dire state. Don't think most people knew how bad it was
@tecwynjones6532 Are you aware that so called "rehabilitation ideology" is a collosal failure, if the repeat offender does not want to change? California or Chicago is also famous for soft on crime policy. It has very high crime. Recently a career criminal from Chicago did a whole string of offences. He laughed and told police he would be out within a WEEK, which was the normal "rehabilitation" thing. Instead, he accidentally committed his crimes across the County border. So instead he got 20 YEARS. Which policy has less crime victims?
@@conconmc As far as I know, large sums of money was borrowed during covid time as the interest was near 0% however since it has risen rapidly and large sums of money are having to be paid out to cover it.
Worked in the prison for 3 weeks at hmp Lowdham Grange. Quit on the spot after witnessing some horrifying things. The training for new PCOs (fancy name for prison guard) is crap. The jail I worked in had a massive staffing problem which meant there were 60 new members of staff joining at the same time. There were points where I was on a wing with staff who’d been there as long as I’d been. We didn’t know what we were doing, we didn’t have any support, and I’ve kept in touch with some of my old colleagues and at least 2/3 of the trainees who started the same time I did have quit within the first 3 months. The prison system is so so seriously screwed
It seems that way, the prison system simply isn´t working and I can´t see how a youngish offender wouldn´t actually have a higher risk of becoming a serious criminal after a stint in prison.
Germany, for comparrison has a reimprsion rate of 36% (Reoffending 48%) (Don't know the numbers for other european countries, but I think they will be similar.) 80% is just a complete failiure.
Norway has the best in europe (last i looked) at like an 18 percent recidivism rate, and they treat their prisoners extremely humanely, look up halden prison, they get like an apartment almost, which here in the US people claim that it would just encourage crime to treat prisoners humanely, but norways recid rate is so low that the argument falls on its face
It’s not 80% going back to prison it’s 80% of those convicted and cautioned had previously been convicted or cautioned. The number you’re referencing for Germany is reconviction after 3 years, the same statistic for the U.K. 66%. But this data is almost 20 years out of date.
This is not a failure. It's by design. Because if you privatize prisons and force the inmates to work for free or for minimum wage (like in the US) You get cheap or free labour for rich companies. And for that to work you need - Privatized prisons - enough inmates ( So the more often they return the better) Exactly what the US is doing. Which is also why they don't want to fix their crime problem on the other side of the Atlantic. They want free Labour 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, there was a bill that basically made it illegal to carry superglue near a protest. I don't really know if that one passed or not, but stupid nonetheless
@@supernukey419people were gluing themselves to things so they couldn't be removed. Superglue dries almost instantly to skin so they were pouring it over their hands and sticking themselves to the road or whatever, it is then a very slow process to remove them as they can't just tear people's skin off. I know in the US they call superglue CA glue, not sure about you folks North of the border
@@MrDaveyboy1985 I know what superglue is, I just didn't think people would actually superglue themselves to things. That's either dedication or lunacy
@@supernukey419 Well in either case, if you needed superglue for any other reason, you'll have jail time/a big fine, or just both if you were walking past a protest
sad part is they have a lot of work to do, and already people are pointing at them and calling them useless. I think they will improve it but it wont be enough for the likes of the tory and Reform and they will try to rally all the people who do not educate themselves about this and cause another scene.
@@allytank-itykitty7417I saw people blaming Labour for a non UK based company standardising all their products to meet new EU regulations (rather then have EU models and everywhere else models). Those new regulations were decided after the UK left the EU so the whole UK had nothing to do with it, never mind a labour government that had existed for roughly 24 hours.
Paying to keep people locked up is a pretty terrible system. Tories wanted national service to build community and belonging, I think I might have found another outlet. It's a shame that to a lot of people, when you get charged you are no longer a person and should be treated like cattle. Any reform on this will work for a vast majority of people and communities, but I suspect will inevitably get torn down after a single high profile case of it failing causing a massive emotional backlash.
Follow Norway's model. They focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. It's hard to promote among the fire-and-brimstone part of the populace but the results speak for themselves: only a 20% recidivism rate.
Now, now, that is far too humane and progressive and could actually help. Every good Brit wants something to bellyache about. How on Earth can they do that if they go and improve things?! One genuine criticism though. Norway has a 5.5 million population and the UK a 67 million population. Plus we don't know all the other things like, have we got jobs for these people and a legal system that is fairer on people. Remember it's literally a crime and a social stigma to be poor in Britain.
@@bigbear5844yes, because Norway is the only country in the world with the “right” culture that allows prisoners to reintegrate into society through government policies 🙄
And maybe not arresting people for pepper spray or carrying defensive items since in other European it’s legal France and Italy or maybe that’s just me
I find that people are being put in prison for the most pathetic crimes. Here's an example. A friend of mine was sent to prison for 30 days for calling someone a slew of derogatory slurs on a night out - arrested within minutes of the police being called. Then, moving onto an ex-classmate of mine - ADMITTING IN PERSON that he had sexually assaulted a minor, followed by leaked texts, images, etc - did not spend a single day in prison or face adequate punishment. He was sent away for a fortnight and then suddenly re-integrated into school.
As another note, as of s couple weeks ago most people half way through their probation period have just been told that their sentence will be cut by a 1/3 meaning they will only serve 2/3 of their probation sentence
Punitive justice demonstrating time and time again that it just doesn't work. Even worse, with recidivism like this, it actually does the opposite of intended.
No, it does work. You just have to actually enforce the law instead of releasing ppl who should not have been or allowing plea deals/DAs not doing their part.
You should study the actual crime stat numbers. Prison doesn’t work well but it works better than all other kinds of punishments (for certain offenses and certain types of criminals). In fact, we know for a fact that many prison sentences are much shorter than they should be.
Who would have that massively increasing immigration while cutting back on policing and not building new prisons would have such negative consequences.
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This just shows the failure of the Tory 'prison works' ideal. The re-offending rate proves that wrong by itself. In the medium to long term the UK needs to move to a supportive rehabilitation system that would allow former convicts into legitimate professions rather than being faced with a stark choice of life on benefits or turning back to crime. The short term issue is a lot more tricky as there are just not enough places to go around and pretty much any steps the government might take to deal with the issues are likely to take more time than they have in order to stop the prisons from overflowing.
Please be able to see both sides mate, not healthy to blindly follow a political party and blindly hate the other. Not every problem is because of 'tory incompetence' and every labour mistake will certainly not be down to it.
@@godlovesyou1995 sorry but no, this prison over crowding problem is definitely because of the tories incompetence. did you not listen the "how did things get so bad" section ? he has explained why and how is has gone to shit but about the "labour mistake" we can only wait since labour just got into office, let their action speak rather than words
Im from the states but lived in the UK for 15 years (Life was pretty sweet under PM Blair). It's amazing the changes that took place under the Tories. They literally Americanized the British justice system. It's heartbreaking to see....
Yeah you clearly don't understand dwhst Blairs government did, ever heard of ipp sentence? Young people getting 1 year ipp sentences only to still be in prison 15 years later... things might have seemed good under Blair but that was because he was spending all the money and getting us into huge debt. The tories had to come in and be the bad guys trying to balance the books.
@@Momruoy-v5j i always used to think Blair's government was good because it helped poor people, because it was labour. But I was a child back then. I never got to see the Margaret Thatcher era and was just told she was evil. But she got 2+ terms, all voted in by people! I see all these homegrown organisations littered around the town I live in, and I think how much more good could they of done if they were getting funding from people, rather than the state. The local level, that's where problems are solved. I wonder...
@@Srindal4657 So you were happy under Blair, didn't live under Thatcher but wish for it? You just lived through 14 years of Thatcherite Britain and look where we are. Stop kidding yourself.
@@TomSmith-jp1es no, I'm saying maybe people should have more control over their lives. Doesn't matter if it's Blair or Margaret. All that matters is that people have control over their lives
I’m a prison officer, they can come up with all sorts of fancy work arounds and smart ideas but the fact is the prison service needs more officers and they need to build more prisons, anyone who suggests there is anyway forward other than these two facts doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
This needs to be preceded with “the Tories were already doing this 6 months before labour even got in”. Labour’s hands are tied by the circumstances they were given.
@@ChristehzROTMG exactly. Under labour these releases are temporary. Under the Tories they were just part of business as usual. But as Starmer said, you can’t just clap your hands and build a prison, much less staff it. And the presence of James Timpson, a big advocate for reform and employment of former prisoners, makes me think we’re getting a different strategy that’s going to focus on reform and employment, thereby and tackling reoffenders.
How is the 'drug war' not being mentioned? A part of the liberalising should include a liberalising of drug laws and stop the huge waste of time and money on that failing enterprise.
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This piece is better than most on this complex subject. But it is hobbled by dint of failure to give sufficient emphasis to the extreme cognitive dissonance of the gormless populism of the last fourteen years. For example, being ‘tough on crime’ but failing to deliver a coherent strategy for incarcerating prisoners. Indeed, utter contempt for anything which doesn’t mirror the simplistic capitalism of running a whelk stall, has undermined many of the institutions and processes that make life worth living.
The reality is that there are community resolutions, cautions, and suspended sentences before anyone being sentenced to prison time. So you basically have 3 free passes for low level offences which teaches people THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES. Then when people are sentenced to prison time it is very short and they only have to serve half! If you want to reduce reoffending, stop letting letting them out early. Stop letting criminals walk the streets.
Hell no, they're more concerned with jailing people for memes than they are with addressing the fact they're releasing the refuse of society back out onto the streets
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It's a little known fact that the US judicial system's insistence on "presumed innocent until proven guilty" originated as a protest against the pervasive opinion of the UK judicial system where (at least at the time, but also a bit now) often the court assumes you are guilty solely based on the fact that you were charged and you have to prove your innocence - something that is often hard to do against the built-in bias.
Seems like an amazing idea to let criminals out just because you run out of space. Honestly anything else would be better, keep them in hotels or something whilst you build new prisons.
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Thereby outsourcing our problem. Their prisons are better managed than the English (and Welsh) system, in large part because knee-jerk reactions to moral panics passed by Parliament don't tend to apply to the Northern Irish system and even rarer do they effect Scots Law. Their prison systems though are not massive and designed for very few people in comparison to England. You should also consider than sending them further and further afield creates problems with familial connections (visiting someone held in the Highlands when you live in Cornwall probably isn't a viable solution for you) which increases reoffending rates since families are known to be an important part of rehabilitation, there's also costs of transporting them. It would complicate paperwork and probation jobs as license conditions would need to be worked out, being different across the UK. Scotland and England have very different legal systems (especially criminal justice) and whilst Northern Ireland's more similar the Irish Sea makes practical considerations when it comes to the large scale moving of prisoners.
@PCDelorian It doesn't outsource the problem. The country officially is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK is trying to be both an unitary and federal state. It can't be both.
@@PCDelorianIt is possible to transfer prisoners between UK countries and even abroad but it is currently done by application by the prisoner and only to return to their country of origin.
@@DraggonnyTrue and it already causes problems for the NMOS, further the familial issues mentioned would not apply in such cases since it gets you closer to your family and further a lot of the issues are only problematic at scale.
I did a bit of googling, looking at Scotland specifically. Scotland has a higher burden of proof for criminal prosecution cases so they could potentially have a lower rate of incarceration from that, easing some pressure on prisons. They're also working towards banning prison sentences of less than 12 months as these are, according to the Chief Exec of the Scottish Prison Service, "ineffective" and "do more harm than good". So they're more focused on community rehabilitation for non-violent crime. This does line up with the information used to predict reoffending rates. Positive social connections, stable housing, employment and financial security are all considered to be "protective factors" that reduce the risk of reoffending. Taking people from their homes, jobs, families, and reducing their earning potential to around £1.50 per day is stripping them of these protective factors and surrounding them with 1000 other criminals is exposing them to "anti-social" influences and exposing them to alcohol and drugs. I think Scotland also is one of the countries that are in the process of decriminalising drug possession so they treat it as a health issue instead of one of criminal justice, meaning that otherwise law-abiding recreational users won't have the barrier to employment of a criminal record.
The conservative contradiction. They dont understand that you can't be tough on crime and a fiscal conservative. Being tough on crime means more government.
Lets have a conversation about the victims of crime , not re-offending. The criminals have a choice to commit crime the victims don't have a choice to be on the receiving end. Genetics has a role hear ,stop the cycle .
UK prisons overcrowded? As an Australian, I’m concerned 😂
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lol made me laugh :)
Eyy I get it! XD
You guys got room? Or a continent available?
As an American I'm concerned too, they were dumping them here first!
80% reoffending rates prove that the current system has failed.
Recidivism.
Awful policies and management
16K inmates in the UK are Muslims.
@@DavidZ4-gg3dm So 71K of them are Christians?
Why even bring religion into it?
Look at how many are lower class and you'll see a clear correlation between crime and income. But that wouldn't suit the narrative you're trying to push.
@@Snipe_the_Hype look at this robot.
Then how come the countries with the nicest prisons such as Norway and Sweeden have some of the lowest reoffending rates @Snipe_the_Hype
When even America has a lower reoffending rate than the UK, something has gone terribly wrong
Only because cities have stopped jailing re-offenders
@@Username18981and as the U.K has shown…that’s a good thing
U.K. prision is a fully paid for 0 expense holiday, USA prison is punishment for the crime.
Reason 80% reoffends, prison must be a good place to be in. HMP Wandsworth had female officer giving stress relief to inmates.
influx of africans
simple as
Cause most people in America spend most if not all their life in jail for very little offending
80% reoffending rates tells you everything
you have to understand how much of the native UK population is just completely unable to contribute in the 21st Century. Tech illiterate, actually illiterate, lazy, entitled, poor comprehension on most topics and unable to contribute to our future. They're the same ones who have the gall to vote Reform and blame immigrants for their issues. The education system failed them, their parents failed them. And they live among us AND they have a vote. Scary stuff
What's the domestic feelings regarding the judicial system though? Are people vindictive or do they see emphasis should be on reintegration of convicts instead of punishment?
@@Ehrgeiz33Well Britain is very attached to the notion of justice rather than rehabilitation or anything. They see something wrong, they want that person to get punished (not by their hand, but still), and that can become quite extreme in some people's minds, thinking a person who got 4 years was much too little.
I don't think it'll be pretty for sure, but if it has to happen then it'll have to because it's in such a dire state. Don't think most people knew how bad it was
@tecwynjones6532
Are you aware that so called "rehabilitation ideology" is a collosal failure, if the repeat offender does not want to change?
California or Chicago is also famous for soft on crime policy. It has very high crime.
Recently a career criminal from Chicago did a whole string of offences. He laughed and told police he would be out within a WEEK, which was the normal "rehabilitation" thing.
Instead, he accidentally committed his crimes across the County border.
So instead he got 20 YEARS.
Which policy has less crime victims?
@@tecwynjones6532
Again, which one has less crime victims, of those two policies?
You can't change someone who doesn't want to change.
Tories didn't just fail spectacularly, recent documents suggest it might have failed criminally
Which documents? Sounds partisan.
@@simoncarlsson668 If you don't know the documents, how does it sound partisan?
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@@Tadakachi The Italians are to blame? of course.
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The highest tax burden in 50 years and it feels like every public service is understaffed and underfunded. Where is the money going???
In theory...paying interest on the national debt
@@AngDaviesthe intrest is Bad, but it could be much worse. The japanese pay 20+% on debt
Incorrect, they haven't even raised interest rates since COVID
@@conconmc As far as I know, large sums of money was borrowed during covid time as the interest was near 0% however since it has risen rapidly and large sums of money are having to be paid out to cover it.
Tax cuts
Worked in the prison for 3 weeks at hmp Lowdham Grange. Quit on the spot after witnessing some horrifying things. The training for new PCOs (fancy name for prison guard) is crap. The jail I worked in had a massive staffing problem which meant there were 60 new members of staff joining at the same time. There were points where I was on a wing with staff who’d been there as long as I’d been. We didn’t know what we were doing, we didn’t have any support, and I’ve kept in touch with some of my old colleagues and at least 2/3 of the trainees who started the same time I did have quit within the first 3 months. The prison system is so so seriously screwed
It seems that way, the prison system simply isn´t working and I can´t see how a youngish offender wouldn´t actually have a higher risk of becoming a serious criminal after a stint in prison.
'Screwed'. Get it. 😂
Would you say the influx in prison inamtes is directly tied to illegal immigrants?
@@Antiluls if they were illegal immigrants they could just be sent home
glad you didn't get seriously hurt.
Germany, for comparrison has a reimprsion rate of 36% (Reoffending 48%) (Don't know the numbers for other european countries, but I think they will be similar.) 80% is just a complete failiure.
Norway has the best in europe (last i looked) at like an 18 percent recidivism rate, and they treat their prisoners extremely humanely, look up halden prison, they get like an apartment almost, which here in the US people claim that it would just encourage crime to treat prisoners humanely, but norways recid rate is so low that the argument falls on its face
It’s not 80% going back to prison it’s 80% of those convicted and cautioned had previously been convicted or cautioned. The number you’re referencing for Germany is reconviction after 3 years, the same statistic for the U.K. 66%. But this data is almost 20 years out of date.
@@ExarchGamingWhat about the Dutch? Last I heard they were letting cells to the Norwegian just to have a reason to keep the prisons open.
@@Alex-fm5ke the reoffending rate for Germany is 48% and 80% for the UK. I've explicitly quoted both numbers
This is not a failure. It's by design.
Because if you privatize prisons and force the inmates to work for free or for minimum wage (like in the US)
You get cheap or free labour for rich companies. And for that to work you need
- Privatized prisons
- enough inmates
( So the more often they return the better)
Exactly what the US is doing. Which is also why they don't want to fix their crime problem on the other side of the Atlantic. They want free Labour 🤷🏻♂️
For some reason I can't quite explain, England running out of space for prisoners worries me greatly.
Not that I need to worry, I live in Australia.
I love how australians occasionally say "fuck off we're full" despite the fact their country is empty as fuck lol
They really aren't most prisoners end up in Scotland anyways
Putting people in prison for just planning a peaceful protest is ludicrous. No wonder you have a prison issue.
Yeah, there was a bill that basically made it illegal to carry superglue near a protest. I don't really know if that one passed or not, but stupid nonetheless
@@tecwynjones6532 Can I get some context? Were they trying to stop people from assembling protest signs or something? Canadian here
@@supernukey419people were gluing themselves to things so they couldn't be removed. Superglue dries almost instantly to skin so they were pouring it over their hands and sticking themselves to the road or whatever, it is then a very slow process to remove them as they can't just tear people's skin off.
I know in the US they call superglue CA glue, not sure about you folks North of the border
@@MrDaveyboy1985 I know what superglue is, I just didn't think people would actually superglue themselves to things. That's either dedication or lunacy
@@supernukey419 Well in either case, if you needed superglue for any other reason, you'll have jail time/a big fine, or just both if you were walking past a protest
So this is a result of 14 years of austerity measures. And now Labour are going to pick up both the bill and the blame.
sad part is they have a lot of work to do, and already people are pointing at them and calling them useless. I think they will improve it but it wont be enough for the likes of the tory and Reform and they will try to rally all the people who do not educate themselves about this and cause another scene.
@@allytank-itykitty7417same people gullible enough to vote Leave are the same ones that are saying that. Stupid is as stupid does.
@@allytank-itykitty7417the right’s really good at scapegoating
@@allytank-itykitty7417I saw people blaming Labour for a non UK based company standardising all their products to meet new EU regulations (rather then have EU models and everywhere else models). Those new regulations were decided after the UK left the EU so the whole UK had nothing to do with it, never mind a labour government that had existed for roughly 24 hours.
Nah, this is thanks to Immigration
Well prison sentences for protesting wont help.
Maybe you would change your mind if you read the accompanying notes from the judge’s sentencing. BlackBeltBarrister did a good video about it
So that’s why Sunak called the snap election: he knew the rails were about to come off even more, and he didn’t want to be left holding the bag!
He’s smart 😂
people should be more worried about the hundreds of tories now roaming the streets after being released early from parliament
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I’d hardly say early, but a concern all the same 😂
As someone who lives in the Netherlands where prisons close down because there aren't enough prisoners, this is absolutely wild to me
Well to be fair prisons in the Netherlands are also near capacity.
But because we have a shortage of prison guards, not anything like this.
Paying to keep people locked up is a pretty terrible system. Tories wanted national service to build community and belonging, I think I might have found another outlet.
It's a shame that to a lot of people, when you get charged you are no longer a person and should be treated like cattle. Any reform on this will work for a vast majority of people and communities, but I suspect will inevitably get torn down after a single high profile case of it failing causing a massive emotional backlash.
80% reoffending rate is crazy.
What is crazy is why people care about releasing the worst back into society.
what is more crazy is the underfunding of the probation service which is tasked with lowering the reoffending rate
makes perfect sense when its a holiday camp inside and learn more about crime inside than out also drugs a hell of a lot easier to get too 👍
Follow Norway's model. They focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. It's hard to promote among the fire-and-brimstone part of the populace but the results speak for themselves: only a 20% recidivism rate.
Are those new nrs? Every scandinavian country has had a rise in crime the last cpl of years.
And we are making/getting alot more career criminals.
Now, now, that is far too humane and progressive and could actually help. Every good Brit wants something to bellyache about. How on Earth can they do that if they go and improve things?! One genuine criticism though. Norway has a 5.5 million population and the UK a 67 million population. Plus we don't know all the other things like, have we got jobs for these people and a legal system that is fairer on people. Remember it's literally a crime and a social stigma to be poor in Britain.
That’s works. If your culture is Norwegian.
@@bigbear5844yes, because Norway is the only country in the world with the “right” culture that allows prisoners to reintegrate into society through government policies 🙄
We don’t have the money
Not jailing people for "hurty words" on Twitter would be a start.
And maybe not arresting people for pepper spray or carrying defensive items since in other European it’s legal France and Italy or maybe that’s just me
I find that people are being put in prison for the most pathetic crimes. Here's an example.
A friend of mine was sent to prison for 30 days for calling someone a slew of derogatory slurs on a night out - arrested within minutes of the police being called. Then, moving onto an ex-classmate of mine - ADMITTING IN PERSON that he had sexually assaulted a minor, followed by leaked texts, images, etc - did not spend a single day in prison or face adequate punishment. He was sent away for a fortnight and then suddenly re-integrated into school.
As another note, as of s couple weeks ago most people half way through their probation period have just been told that their sentence will be cut by a 1/3 meaning they will only serve 2/3 of their probation sentence
Punitive justice demonstrating time and time again that it just doesn't work. Even worse, with recidivism like this, it actually does the opposite of intended.
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No, it does work. You just have to actually enforce the law instead of releasing ppl who should not have been or allowing plea deals/DAs not doing their part.
You should study the actual crime stat numbers. Prison doesn’t work well but it works better than all other kinds of punishments (for certain offenses and certain types of criminals). In fact, we know for a fact that many prison sentences are much shorter than they should be.
Who would have that massively increasing immigration while cutting back on policing and not building new prisons would have such negative consequences.
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there's always still australia
Alice Springs is on lock down like a prison.
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This just shows the failure of the Tory 'prison works' ideal. The re-offending rate proves that wrong by itself. In the medium to long term the UK needs to move to a supportive rehabilitation system that would allow former convicts into legitimate professions rather than being faced with a stark choice of life on benefits or turning back to crime. The short term issue is a lot more tricky as there are just not enough places to go around and pretty much any steps the government might take to deal with the issues are likely to take more time than they have in order to stop the prisons from overflowing.
I have hope for the new labour government! The current 80% reoffending rate is proof the system has failed
I just wish more felt this way, especially Conservative voters. Can they not give the current government even 6 months to address the issues?
Because the Tories failed spectacularly.
Please be able to see both sides mate, not healthy to blindly follow a political party and blindly hate the other.
Not every problem is because of 'tory incompetence' and every labour mistake will certainly not be down to it.
@@godlovesyou1995 sorry but no, this prison over crowding problem is definitely because of the tories incompetence. did you not listen the "how did things get so bad" section ? he has explained why and how is has gone to shit
but about the "labour mistake" we can only wait since labour just got into office, let their action speak rather than words
@@gilbertxaviertansri9c853 You need to remember the prisons have existed longer than 14 years ago.
When does prison exist? I'm sure it is before Tories is even a thing
@@godlovesyou1995 Lol, only one side was in power for 14 years. Only one side could do something but they chose not too.
You can deport 40% of prisoners maybe more. Other 40% released early 20 % have to stay
Im from the states but lived in the UK for 15 years (Life was pretty sweet under PM Blair). It's amazing the changes that took place under the Tories. They literally Americanized the British justice system. It's heartbreaking to see....
Yeah you clearly don't understand dwhst Blairs government did, ever heard of ipp sentence? Young people getting 1 year ipp sentences only to still be in prison 15 years later... things might have seemed good under Blair but that was because he was spending all the money and getting us into huge debt. The tories had to come in and be the bad guys trying to balance the books.
@@Momruoy-v5j i always used to think Blair's government was good because it helped poor people, because it was labour. But I was a child back then. I never got to see the Margaret Thatcher era and was just told she was evil. But she got 2+ terms, all voted in by people! I see all these homegrown organisations littered around the town I live in, and I think how much more good could they of done if they were getting funding from people, rather than the state. The local level, that's where problems are solved. I wonder...
@@Srindal4657Give them your money and see what they do with it.
@@Srindal4657 So you were happy under Blair, didn't live under Thatcher but wish for it? You just lived through 14 years of Thatcherite Britain and look where we are. Stop kidding yourself.
@@TomSmith-jp1es no, I'm saying maybe people should have more control over their lives. Doesn't matter if it's Blair or Margaret. All that matters is that people have control over their lives
I didn't even know we had a prison crisis until Labour mentioned it. Rishi was busy talking about the boats and inflation going down .
How could the previous Government of 15 years allow this to get this bad?
I’m a prison officer, they can come up with all sorts of fancy work arounds and smart ideas but the fact is the prison service needs more officers and they need to build more prisons, anyone who suggests there is anyway forward other than these two facts doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
This needs to be preceded with “the Tories were already doing this 6 months before labour even got in”.
Labour’s hands are tied by the circumstances they were given.
Promises promises… yet they did nothing. Labour already has a plan and is taking action
@@ChristehzROTMG exactly. Under labour these releases are temporary. Under the Tories they were just part of business as usual.
But as Starmer said, you can’t just clap your hands and build a prison, much less staff it. And the presence of James Timpson, a big advocate for reform and employment of former prisoners, makes me think we’re getting a different strategy that’s going to focus on reform and employment, thereby and tackling reoffenders.
convert all the unused london office space to meet prison demand? 😂 UK has been festering issues for a long, long time.
Maybe they should stop imprisoning people for Facebook comments
How is the 'drug war' not being mentioned?
A part of the liberalising should include a liberalising of drug laws and stop the huge waste of time and money on that failing enterprise.
why dont they address the issue with the increase in crime instead
It seems that the odds are stacked against Labour right now given the creaking public service most notably the NHS and the prison system.
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Anyone else think the previous gov did this on purpose to avoid jail time
Well, the new government wants to build a lot of new housing.
Prisons are some sort of ...housing
I did a short stint with the Probation Service. Deeply disturbing, but the worst people we ever delt with in terms of personal attitude were the traffic offenders.
This piece is better than most on this complex subject. But it is hobbled by dint of failure to give sufficient emphasis to the extreme cognitive dissonance of the gormless populism of the last fourteen years. For example, being ‘tough on crime’ but failing to deliver a coherent strategy for incarcerating prisoners. Indeed, utter contempt for anything which doesn’t mirror the simplistic capitalism of running a whelk stall, has undermined many of the institutions and processes that make life worth living.
The previous government had the solution.... Do you not remember "hug a hoodie"?
Turn the isle of Wight into a massive prison island.
The ferries are too expensive anyway.
The reality is that there are community resolutions, cautions, and suspended sentences before anyone being sentenced to prison time. So you basically have 3 free passes for low level offences which teaches people THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES. Then when people are sentenced to prison time it is very short and they only have to serve half! If you want to reduce reoffending, stop letting letting them out early. Stop letting criminals walk the streets.
Thank you TLDR
Leading to unchecked criminality... so a normal day in Parliament.
@@StrikeBolteafc I think they were implying that the tories *were* the unchecked criminality
@@jamesoneill8920if not politicians in general.
Put our convicts in hotels? I'm told they're not in use.
Hell no, they're more concerned with jailing people for memes than they are with addressing the fact they're releasing the refuse of society back out onto the streets
Well, eliminating hate speech laws would help.
Fascinating, keep up your reporting!
Thanks to the Labour minister; TDLR; mainstream and social media for giving people the impression in this summer hear that they wouldn't face any justice for their actions...
Out of curiosity, is there going to be more content on TLDR business?
Awesome. Brilliant content. Spot on.
lets not forget crime doesnt come from nowhere, all this stuff stems from rampant poverty in all of UK excluding london
Bruno Bettelheim, a Holocaust survivor, once said, “Punishment may make us obey the orders we are given, but at best it will only teach an obedience to authority, not self-control.”
A CIA officer congratulated defector spy Yuri Bezmenov for his analysis of the Marxist attack on the USA.
The CIA used it as a handbook instead of a warning from history, promoting the chaos and disorder in their vassal states, toppling regimes and rulers.
It's terrible when books that are cautionary tales become handbooks.
Thanks for this excellent update.
Someone I knew from Reigate had a brother who went to school with "Queer Stalin", a horrible nickname. Not sure if it is one and the same.
It's a little known fact that the US judicial system's insistence on "presumed innocent until proven guilty" originated as a protest against the pervasive opinion of the UK judicial system where (at least at the time, but also a bit now) often the court assumes you are guilty solely based on the fact that you were charged and you have to prove your innocence - something that is often hard to do against the built-in bias.
Never understand austerity
lol I would be in jail if it wasn’t so full.. but here I am watching the shit list 😂
What isn't collapsing in the UK?
Seems like an amazing idea to let criminals out just because you run out of space. Honestly anything else would be better, keep them in hotels or something whilst you build new prisons.
course they can !! they will let everyone out problem solved 😂😂
Life of British poor is so hopeless and painful… they would rather be in prison
Check what Holland is doing
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This is what happens when you implement “tougher sentences”
This aged badly, 3 days or less is already over.
Ok, but what about the Scottish and Northern Irish Prison Services? If they aren't as overcrowded send them there.
And when they fill up?
Thereby outsourcing our problem. Their prisons are better managed than the English (and Welsh) system, in large part because knee-jerk reactions to moral panics passed by Parliament don't tend to apply to the Northern Irish system and even rarer do they effect Scots Law. Their prison systems though are not massive and designed for very few people in comparison to England. You should also consider than sending them further and further afield creates problems with familial connections (visiting someone held in the Highlands when you live in Cornwall probably isn't a viable solution for you) which increases reoffending rates since families are known to be an important part of rehabilitation, there's also costs of transporting them. It would complicate paperwork and probation jobs as license conditions would need to be worked out, being different across the UK. Scotland and England have very different legal systems (especially criminal justice) and whilst Northern Ireland's more similar the Irish Sea makes practical considerations when it comes to the large scale moving of prisoners.
@PCDelorian It doesn't outsource the problem. The country officially is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK is trying to be both an unitary and federal state. It can't be both.
@@PCDelorianIt is possible to transfer prisoners between UK countries and even abroad but it is currently done by application by the prisoner and only to return to their country of origin.
@@DraggonnyTrue and it already causes problems for the NMOS, further the familial issues mentioned would not apply in such cases since it gets you closer to your family and further a lot of the issues are only problematic at scale.
So we're fucked. What a surprise.
If you think this is bad look at australia they have millions of convicts
Labour won’t fix anything.
I notice yous said the reoffending rates are high in England and Wales, is there something that Scotland and NI are doing differently?
I did a bit of googling, looking at Scotland specifically. Scotland has a higher burden of proof for criminal prosecution cases so they could potentially have a lower rate of incarceration from that, easing some pressure on prisons. They're also working towards banning prison sentences of less than 12 months as these are, according to the Chief Exec of the Scottish Prison Service, "ineffective" and "do more harm than good". So they're more focused on community rehabilitation for non-violent crime. This does line up with the information used to predict reoffending rates. Positive social connections, stable housing, employment and financial security are all considered to be "protective factors" that reduce the risk of reoffending. Taking people from their homes, jobs, families, and reducing their earning potential to around £1.50 per day is stripping them of these protective factors and surrounding them with 1000 other criminals is exposing them to "anti-social" influences and exposing them to alcohol and drugs. I think Scotland also is one of the countries that are in the process of decriminalising drug possession so they treat it as a health issue instead of one of criminal justice, meaning that otherwise law-abiding recreational users won't have the barrier to employment of a criminal record.
We are fucked
No arguement from me
London is under the most pressure. Huh? I wonder why. Soooo Strange what makes london a relatively wealthy part of the uk so ridden with crime.
Only 'racists' know the answer
It has already broken down. Research the shows published on the police by the Urban Scoop.
Pascal Sauvage needs to step in and save the day
His body is behind bars but his head isn't?
They should probably stop putting people in prison for peaceful protest.
England is going to pay for her sins soon
need you guys to talk about what happened in Harehills, Leeds yesterday.
They won't because it doesn't fit their pro mass immigration narrative.
Why does the thumbnail show Starmer in prison? Has he already upset you?
They should find an island and ship em off there.
Goated thumbnail
Is nobody saying send them to Rwanda or do we just not hear from those people any more?
UK prisons? I thought that was just Australia lol 😂
Perhaps G4S and other private security firms could build and operate facilities in the UK
Though how long would it taken to build and staff. That's the thing
well given the state of K4Stalin it is highly possible
Someone escape from prison today
The conservative contradiction. They dont understand that you can't be tough on crime and a fiscal conservative. Being tough on crime means more government.
Private prisons!
Lets have a conversation about the victims of crime , not re-offending. The criminals have a choice to commit crime the victims don't have a choice to be on the receiving end. Genetics has a role hear ,stop the cycle .
Britain is falling apart. They are poor, have no job, business not making much profit.
Did they really forget that Australia exists?😊
80% recidivism is insane.
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Hey Britain: good luck with that
Prison crisis? Is there anything not in crisis?
Build more prisons..