If they tried restricting exterior borders, they would immediately be hit with accusations of "racism and being exclusionary." it's all about individual countries trying to protect their own border interests without being labeled as bigots or American.
It is, because it would just create knock-ons for the prior transit countries. Migrants wanting to get to Germany from Austria or France, through Italy, would still be stuck in those other countries, and given enough time, will eventually penetrate into Germany regardless.
It is an important achievement but it's no good unless it actually helps to prevent resurgent nationalism. Right now, it isn't doing that. So, it is critical to do whatever it takes to squash the nationalist right. One way to do that is to placate their concerns.
I only been outside my country once and live next to the midle of my country, yeat i belive Shengen shpuld be preserve since there are invisable benefits that still effects people like me second hand.
Aside from that, when the Schengen Zone was created, nothing has been learned nothing from the internal migration problems of the US, Russia and China. Texans hate Californians moving in, in China they've the hukou system, banning people to move to the cities. Russia is still using a derivative of the Soviet propiska in which internal migration is limited as well.
Morality vs reality… I hope someday the whole world can be a ‘Schengen Area’. Border controls DO limit freedom AND economic growth. But still in this modern day, wealthy countries cannot accept large amounts of culturally dissimilar people from impoverished places without major cultural clashes, and draining resources from welfare systems.
@@kuil "Culturally dissimilar" This is why Europeans are inferior. You're so concerned with "culture" and keeping away anyone not like you. Not too long ago the Polish were considered too different from Western Europeans. Now it's non-Euros trying to come in. The problem is inability to assimilate, why is caused by Euros refusing to think anyone who doesn't look like them can act like them. No one is like you, everyone is different, but you only care about welfare when someone you think is undeserving of it is taking from it. What's next, they're eating pets? This mindset that maintaining culture by excluding anyone different is why Europe will always lose.
The vision was never to get overrun by immigrants coming here and trying to impose their culture on us. The goal was to bring them here and for them to assimilate to be like us
@@Alexander-yb1zc Hardly. Much to the disappointment of Brexiters, there were no further waves of EU-xits and even the most traditionally Euroceptic parties, like RN in France or Fratelli in Italy have no desire to follow in the UK's suicide. Unlike the so-called "Global Britain" the rest of the EU understand their outsize influence on the world is reliant on the normative regulatory nature of the EU and as a large single market, which in turn is predicated on integration of these much smaller countries and markets together.
If Frontex did their job, we wouldn’t be in this crisis. All EU countries should supply manpower and or money, to patrol the external border of the EU.
Frontex is underfunded and limited by law as to what it can do unfortunately. If the EU had the balls to let Frontex do their job freely we would indeed be in a better place right now.
@@westrim Well definitely not violating the Schengen aggrement to benefit your own country that's number one. Also our cities wouldn't be flooded with illegal immigrants from countries that are NOT at war but try to take advantage of the situation to come to the EU freely. Our taxes wouldn't be used to give those illegal immigrants money but instead be used to benefit the economy and the people of the country (Many immigrants have been caught with more than 2000 euros btw). Less fear for terrorist attacks on our cities and lower crime rates. Less people who don't respect a countries culture and try to force islam into the EU (Which is already happening). And many other reasons beyond those.
Nah, you still have the economic zone, the free movement, the common policies, close cooperation, EU funds and massive projects like rail baltica. In Bulgaria we are still not really in Schengen, which does cost us a lot, but that's not even close to making the EU useless for us.
Never. Beef up frontex. Unity over Division. Secure the continent and stop this asylum bs. Help the countries that needed and fight those that allow them to pass to weaken us. We are no help to the world when divided.
Stopping the asylum isn’t enough anymore. Mass deportations are needed of all Islamists and any migrants that refuse to integrate, including revoking citizenship
Frontex can't do shit. It got shat on by the EU parliament for doing pushbacks. In the current system 56% of asylum seekers are fraudsters of which 21% leave the EU. The whole asylum system is built on this and you can't do fck all about it without changing the human rights treaties or stopping people from entering the EU (which is illegal under said treaties).
The problem is that they need a "return to sender" method. To effectively force migrants back out of Europe. Migrant found in Germany? Send them back to Austria. Not from Austria? Send them back to Croatia. Basically push them all the way back to the original European frontier. Then that European country just dumps them on the doorstep of the non European country they crossed in through.
That's precious. If Austria closes its border down then Italy gets strained because they cant send them off to Germany? How about you send every migrant you dont want back to where they came from? That is precisely the problem we have with schengen. Noone cares to secure the outer border because everyone thinks that they can just offload the unwanted migrants to a different EU country.
And what's stopping those migrants from coming right back around? As for not proposing strengthening external borders? The northern Euro countries don't want to be viewed as racists or bigots. Look at how much backlash and international condemnation the border countries face when they tried to send back the tidal waves of migrants Countries like the Netherlands and Germany want to be seen as these open and progressive countries without having to deal with the extra baggage that comes with being all inclusive. Hense the internal line drawing without talking about the base issues.
@@RetroRadianceLightthere have been no punishments for border countries turning backigrants. It's just more convenient for them to send them off to the north.
Oh,@@RetroRadianceLight... what's stopping them from turning right back around? The promise that should they again attempt to enter illegally, they'll just be sent back again. As many times as it needs for them to finally understand that they need to put the effort into legally migrating to whichever country they want to go to. Every tolerated or accepted illegal immigrant is an insult to those who do their due diligence.
Had Europe been faster with GEAS (2026) and more stringent, none of this would be an issue 🤷🏻♀️ The outer-borders need to be protected, in order to guarantee free movement through the inner-borders
I live in The Netherlands near the German border and I have to deal with "security" measures as well. Totally ineffective! There are probably a hundred border crossings to Germany. They only check the major ones. There's only massive traffic jams and damage to the economy.
I agree, last weekend i was helping with taking samples of moss in Czechia near German bordres-got lost in tought and after a few hours we (a group of about 20 people) found ourselves in Germany. Unless they fence off whole border it is really easy for even such a large group of people to cross borderes (and not even notice-and we did not even go trough any rough terrain, it was a nice walk-and a lot of samples for us that will take weeks to analyze in the lab)
it's just propaganda from the current leftist German Government. They do like they are controlling the borders (faking it), because %81 of German citizens want to see a change in migration politics.
If the cm public anxiety about migration is rational then strengthening Frontex will do it. If it is based on hysteria and disinformation, then no measures will satisfy them.
Frontex is bad idea. If every country in EU invest that much money an man power, they could easly secure their own borders rather than only southern Europe.
if something not working properly anymore, and you can not fix it, than you better change it. "Mini-Schengen" is a good idea but i do not think the Southern Europe allow this.
This will be the end of Europe if it came to pass. We need to strengthen the external border, and seeing how 99% of international refugees are in their relative first neighbouring nations, help create infrastruction in and coperation with the countries that border the Schengen Zone along these routes (if cooperation can be achieved)
Indeed. And cooperation should certainly be achievable with a bit of carrot and stick. Development aid and favourable trade deals if cooperative, economic sanctions if not.
@@nicobruin8618 Are you two new to this world? We give BILLIONS a year in "cooperation". The problem is most of the world is corrupt af and nothing improves.
Schengen failed because the outside border was not strong enough. The weaker the internal borders, the stronger the outside border needs to be. (But the Eurocrats had different plans...)
Schengen will fail because enough people were convinced that migrants are the problem while the EU faces a bazillion other, way way more important issues that don't even get talked about.
European politicians wanted the cheap labor. They knew that if they just gaslighted their populations with “attempts” to stop “irregular migration,” that would be satisfactory to keep their people subdued. And now that the cheap labor is already in Europe, it’s too late
@@wasgehtsiedasan1920 AND THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK! That's the kicker, isn't it? If you've only got a Duldung, you basically have no legal way to make money, except for the social-welfare. You also are not allowed to leave the federal state you're in, so leaving is actually illegal then.
I don't think that's a good idea. Protect exterior borders. Assist the southern countries if necessary. Most important think imo is bringing rescued people in the Mediterranean Sea back to their point of origin.
The issue is that hasn't worked even remotely, and when southern nations actually do try to do effective exterior border protection (like pushbacks) a shitload of people get their panties in a twist. And on top of that we have no real way of sending back people, as the country of origin or their bordering nation (in the case of war) don't actually want them. The only real solution is not getting them here in the first place but for loads of political movements, philosophies, parties and the media that's a big no-go. The only other solution that does allow them here is some unified prison island for rejected migrants that they can only leave if they willingly go back to their own country. But that obviously also has their fair share of issues.
The Southern Europe do not care about this issue as long as illegal migrants want to go West Europe. West Europe can secure their own border instead of Southern Europe's...
As a Romanian we want full Schengen access! We are tired of compromises. It's the fault of Western countries for inviting illegal immigrants in the first place! Why do we need to pay for their mistakes?
Let's not do the whole East vs West Europe thing(it's 2024, my best mate is Belarusian and I have great love for the city of Constanța in Romania which I revisit every now and then), I'm pretty sure most of the Western countries populations also didn't want this since it puts them on the backfoot in terms of housing and lower salaries. I can imagine people voting for Merkel also didn't expect her to do her "wir schaffen das" after the elections. Let's work together and fix the issue!
@@frankhuurman3955 Ja, sie hat uns gezwungen diese Leute zu akzeptieren, auch wenn die Mehrheit dagegen war... Ich kann nicht glauben, dass sie so viele Wahlen gewonnen hat, während sie das Land in die aktuelle Krise katapultiert hat... Entweder Energie, Migration oder öffentliche Dienstleistungen, sie hat gescheitert. Als ein 21 Jährige bin ich enttäuscht, weil ich nie die Möglichkeit hatte für diese Sachen zu wählen.
I know Romanians who blame Italy for receiving migrats like if Italy had chosen to receive them... If they randomly show up at you shores there's literally nothing you can do, you can't just send them back because of international law... Romania has the blessing of not having to deal with this problem first-hand
I speak as a UK Romanian dual national. One one hand Romania is likely going to get full scale Schengen membership along with Bulgaria by the end of the year. On one hand you could call that progress. If the Schengen area doesn't actually work in practice then I can't see the point. Mini Schengen is a half way house and is not exactly the spirit of Schengen at all. Either it works or it doesn't. Either we keep it (with the opt outs) or it's scrapped
Austria just made it explicitly clear that they continue to refuse to let us in indefinitely. "We are on the right WAY, but FAR from its end", is their attitude. As in, "not in this decade, chumps!"
Is it? What does it stop exactly? Is it really so inconvenient to show ID to cross into the next country? Doesn't cost anything. But massively increases security.
@@Patrick-y4d1z Are you insane? Yes it does cost, quite a lot in fact, as the wait time can be hours. Time is money, not to mention when you travel with small children and/or only have a day for a trip to somewhere that happens to be in a neighbouring country, it DOES matter when you may or may not have to wait in a line for 2 hours, in both directions.
@@19Szabolcs91 Ah no, two whole hours of waiting, how would you ever cope with a minor delay like that. That's clearly worth mass migration collapsing the economy and housing market, while skyrocketing crime. Damn, should've told us sooner about the two hour wait.
@@Patrick-y4d1z The fact that you think two hours of waiting every single time you want or need to cross a border is nothing, clearly shows how out of touch are you with reality or how entitled and/or devoid of empathy you are. People's lives are set up this way. A lot of people work in neighbouring countries. And smaller countries would be disproportionally screwed. People's personal lives too, but also when transport is longer, guess what, prices increase. Petrol consumption increases. Pollution increases, and the list goes on and on. Mass migration and crime have their solutions. Schengen was working for decades, these are all new problems, and you are not supposed too throw out the baby with the bathwater.
@@19Szabolcs91 My dude, Schengen absolutely hasn't been working for decades, and a couple of hours really isn't a big deal. But as you're so concerned, there are technological solutions. For example, at the airport, when re-entering the country, you scan your passport and facial recognition will automatically let you through. Takes literally seconds to get through.
I had a trip to germany from denmark yesterday. I was mentally prepared for the scary border controlls only for me to get into germsny without realising. There wasnt even a single policeman or a border at app
that is because germany never reintroduced a border controll, in reintroduced border checks... Which most countries in the Eu never stopped doing. The difference is quite simple. a Control stops every single car and checks pasports and maybe does an inspection. A check means that the borders are being watched with major arteries seeing a constant police presence. Austri does that on every single crossing it has with germany for decades. Multiple german states used their internal police force to do that job (Brandenburg and Saxony did ever since poland joined and the Federal police stopped doing controls and checks, because stolen cars and bycilcles just so happened to always be found in polish border towns) It was a move designed to sound as populist as possible while doing as little as needed. The few spots where traffic is actually impacted are almost certainly done on purpose to give the news a story. It is also funny how many EU countries complained about the move despite germany following all the steps for sth which they can do whenever without telling anyone because the Schengen agreement does not prohibit checks, just controls. Hence why essentially anyone who is not Orban has instantly shut up the moment they saw what was actually being done.
I dont think germany had denmark in mind when they closed its borders. The main stress came from other routes. Its not really practictal to begin with but more of a political sign against the lack of solidarity when it comes to the disfunctional dublin system, as most migrants want to go germany.
it's just propaganda from the current leftist German Government. They do like they are controlling the borders (faking it), because %81 of German citizens want to see a big change in migration politics.
"National borders" is itself a very modern concept. The pass-card, the direct antecedent of the passport (having most of one's information aside from a picture) is only as old as 1850, and that only came into being to regulate the relatively free travel between the states of the German Confederation, which also at the time had their own common currency and customs union, the Zollverein. Passports only became a thing after WW1. Europe has spent most of it's history as relatively porous and murkily defined borders, and during the recent times where borders became hard and fortified, that coincided with enmity and war.
@@serebii666State borders are not at all a modern concept, they exist for thousands of years. Actually that's the one thing all states throughout the times have in common: they all had borders. You never could just walk in, you had to be allowed in
I'm Dutch and no, we don't care about that. Having your passport ready is part of preparing for your vacation. Everyone can do it easily and showing it for a check is no effort at all.
0:33 Your map shows Cyprus in the Schengen zone, Cyprus is not a Schengen member.... it wouldn't be TLDR EU if it didn't get something wrong about the EU, would it?
Mini-Schengen is like the rich going behind gated communities while the rest of the countries on the coast will get the same migrant issues but even worse.
No, as Lukas mentioned. This will reduce induced demand since it would be extraordinarily difficult to reach countries offering better life prospects. Not many would try to enter EU just to be stuck in Greece -Romaina region.
@@viperV10 after migrants already reached the continent, the game of over. It's relative easy to find a cross the continent to go to Germany. No country has that much police to guard every road and forest and even if they would, what will they do against 100+ groups ? Poland had to build a fence and deploy the army and that's a tiny border. Not to even assume some border guards will be corrupt or smuglers would find new routes.
In my opinion, I think the problem is the EU's external border, which isn't well protected. A stronger bárrier, like an electrified wáll could help prevent individuals from certain ideologies, who oppose liberal rights and gender equality, from entering.
Oliver Laughland's video recently for the Guardian had him stopped on the road in Arizona and asked for his documents. He was travelling through the same country. Everyone seems to ask for documents now.
The E.U is trying to model Schengen after the U.S. But the difference is that E.U not also has trouble makers like Orban, But it has much more borders to cover than the U.S. Seems like the border agency isnt ether fully staffed or funded to handle the increase.
@@DennisTheInternationalMenace that isn't even true free movement in the us is not that free there are borders, you realise that Europe as a whole is way smaller than half of America right? That would be like putting borders in every city
Orban is a moron, but this is actually where he is right. If eu protected its outside borders, this would have never been an issue. Orban - unlike germans - was building wall around hungary, and was criticised by germans (the same germans who now want "mini-schengen") for protecting those borders. So who is at fault here? They are willing to destroy whole schengen just so they dont have to admit how this fool orbans was right at least once in his career.
@@fesyuki-kun2332 Why are you comparing Europe and America? He is talking about EU/Schengen and USA. Yeah, Europe is way smaller than America, but it is irrelevant since Europe is not a political union and neither is America (France and Belarus are both in Europe, Canada and Brazil are both in America). If you meant to say EU/Schengen and USA, then you are still wrong. EU/Schengen countries are very close to being half the size of USA, not "way smaller than half". If you meant Europe and USA for some reason: Europe is slightly larger than USA.
@@Spacemongerr I am saying that Schengen makes sense and is a good thing due to many reasons including europes small size travel there is not that time consuming compared to the states is what I mean because of the size
Or, you know, just work on enforcing border security in frontier countries in the Mediterranean instead of destroying the Schengen? It's all fine and dandy when something works but the moment something needs fixing people want to jump boat? Crazy.
I want my mini-Schengen on my building's floor.... oh, no wait, I want it in my apartment, as I don't want to share it with the other one on the same floor! 🤭
As a Dutch person, my country lost the plot long ago. They dont even know how to deal with organized crime, we had many governments fall apart because they were just that incompetent. So any plans coming from our politicians should just be ignored for the safety of all involved.
The idea of "the EU is showing signs of dysfunction so let's have more EU!" is a hard proposition to sell to the public. It may be right but I'm skeptical people will agree.
@Pasta_Pirate People won't agree, Brexit was a canary in the coal mines. Whilst we can endlessly talk about the duplicitous campaign in the end 30 million people don't vote to leave unless they have significant concerns the believe the EU failed to address.
Band-aids to treat the symptoms rather than the root cause of the issues; sounds like typical EU behaviour tbh. You guys pretty clearly outline that the issue isn't at all with freedom of movement within the Schengen; it's freedom of movement from those outside the Schengen but it's not very "correct" to say so. Instead of dividing up into mini-Schengens or whatever other hairbrained scheme that won't work they come up with, all they need to do is dedicate resources to protecting the EU border -- presto! no need for inter-EU border controls. But, this is the EU we're talking about. Of course they won't do that. I wonder if in an alternate reality where Brexit didn't happen if they'd be going down this same path though? I feel like Brexit just hardened the EU's resolve to ignore every issue brought up by the Brexit campaign just to 'prove them wrong'...
There's been the Nordic Passport Union that allows citizens of the Nordic countries-Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland-to travel and reside in another Nordic country without any travel documentation (e.g. a passport or national identity card) or a residence permit since 1952. Usually it is recommened to have a national identity card with you just in case if you need to prove e.g. the Finnish citizenship in other Nordic countries.
I am writing this comment even without watching the video: 1 - how would internal borders Solve the EU’s Migration Crisis if the external borders are weak? 2- There is a huge variety in how different counties give nationality and residence permits.
No, the error in the map you refer to is not to deny the "blue" color to Ireland, but granting it to Cyprus which, just like Ireland, is not a member of the Schengen treaty.
If the EU understood many of the problems come from people already living in the EU, like people who immigrated legally and second or third-generation immigrants, much of the terrorist threat would be alleviated
I know that Poland will always want keep an open border with Czech Republic and Slovakia. there is also no reason to close the border with Lithuania. the three baltic states will definitely have an open border as its very important for them, so if a mini-shengen happened, one of the regions would almost definitely be: Czech Rep., Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia.
What are you on about? The og purpose was always political, social and economic integration, as to prevent wars. It was never "just a trade agreement".
Its almost as if having a shared outer border, without a shared immigration policy is a bad idea. Just like having a shared currency without having a shared financial policy is a bad idea.
Lets be real here you have 27 countries each with different needs for success, some need immigration others need financial freedom. The EU experiment needs reform to be more efficient before there is a fundemental fracture as these differences start to wedge the union apart.
These are all economic problems easily solvable by anti corruption campaigns and right management which the eu sourly lacks and trust me the far right does not want Schengen
That assumes that what one country needs does not directly compete with what anther one wants, which is just not the case in practice. Part of why the EU exists in the first place is to mediate the different agenda between countries so that we don't become a fractured blob fighting among ourselves or have big countries in and outside Europe completely dictate what smaller countries do.
@PhthaloJohnson The issue is the complex bureaucracy of the EUmeans that issues are not resolved efficiently. We should get rid of the excess and just have the EU parliament.
The EU either needs to federalize or it will either slowly fail with the current system or fall apart and the EU counties will lose most of their power on the global stage. I wouldn't mind a US like system even if that means giving up our autonomy as a country. Rather live in a prosperous EU than a failing smaller country. But that's just me I guess.
The idea of mini schengen is way to avoid creating a cohesive, united border and immgration policy. However, to do this the EU is going to have to end the unanimous decisions for qualified majorities
Brussels should instate a tight external border policy. Europe seems rather dysfunctional when each local government can block decisions. The Netherlands and Germany have willingly accepted the most migrants.
The map at the beginning incorrectly included Cyprus in the Schengen zone. Also, it's inaccurate to connect the Schengen zone with the principle of freedom of movement. Freedom of movement refers to the lack of restrictions for EU/EEA nationals to work, study, and reside in different EU/EEA countries, unrelated to whether there are border controls between those countries. E.g. Freedom of movement concerns Ireland and Cyprus as well, although neither of them is in the Schengen zone.
We need more funding for Frontex. Good border security around Schengen to limit migration flows would do more to fix this issue than scrapping what might be one of the biggest accomplishments of the EU.
2:01 at first I thought he said "cyprus, an island" and I was really confused at 1. The need to specify cyprus as an island 2. Forgerring Ireland isn't part of Schengen either Then I realised he'd said "and Ireland" rather than "an island"😅 Still though, Romania and Bulgaria are currently only part of schengen for air and maritime borders, bot pand borders (and aren't shown on your map) despite being EU countries, so worth a mention as well
I have no problem with countries creating regions where crossing the borders would only be hard on the outside borders of the region, but it kind of breaks Schengen? I mean Schengen was supposed to be the same thing, but bigger.
What we need is a common border/customs/immigration policy for EU/Schengen outer borders, and have good enforcable agreements on housing and financing migrants
I think given the issues with the EU-level government effectiveness, I'd say smaller subdivisions with more autonomy on their border security would improve satisfaction with the union.
Whoaaa--Romania and Bulgaria are not fully in Schengen yet. By air and sea yes, but definitely not land. I drove between Romania and Hungary a few weeks ago and you better believe there were checks, especially going north. I'm Hungarian and breezed through after inspection of the car while the Romanian fellow in front of me was refused entry--sounded like his national i.d. had expired.
@cosminsora Considering the port of Constanca is the 5th busiest in the EU by annual cargo tonnage, and is the primary port of the Black sea and for the Danube, no, Schengen membership has very important ramifications.
@@serebii666 but taking into consideration that these goods stay at the RO-HU border for entire days due to the border control, that means nothing in terms of competitiveness :)
@@cosminsora...which is why sea access to Schengen is such a game changer - They can ship it via barge over the Danube or the other EU ports, and for much cheaper than over-land drivers. And since Constanca already has the infrastructure base it is quickly possible - already being done. Only rail can really compete with shipping, and the state of Romanian railways makes that moot.
There cannot be free movement within EU if the external borders are not secure. You can dance around the fact all you want but that’s the reality of the situation. Unfortunately, the EU that was built for peace and stability and the prosperity of its people is nowadays anything but. They just refuse to deal with the problem and we can all pretend together that it doesn’t exist. Mini Schengen areas, open but really closed internal borders. East is west. War is peace.
Protecting The exterior borders and coasts would be a better idea than restricting rights of europeans
@@Electricsou1 and you think they will stop at any "European" passing?
The current system is not working
@@rustyrench4278 I wonder why...
If they’ll actually do it.
If they tried restricting exterior borders, they would immediately be hit with accusations of "racism and being exclusionary." it's all about individual countries trying to protect their own border interests without being labeled as bigots or American.
To me this seems like treating a symptom instead of solving the root cause for the problem.
@@CyrusBluebird you're starting to understand the far right
It is, because it would just create knock-ons for the prior transit countries. Migrants wanting to get to Germany from Austria or France, through Italy, would still be stuck in those other countries, and given enough time, will eventually penetrate into Germany regardless.
Because it is
Agree, but it seems nobody wants to tackle the root causes.... Or in many cases, even admit there are root causes.
Genuinely curious, what is the root cause to you?
Schengen is maybe the biggest achievement of the eu next to peace. As someone who grew up in a border region, this is just unimaginable.
It is an important achievement but it's no good unless it actually helps to prevent resurgent nationalism.
Right now, it isn't doing that. So, it is critical to do whatever it takes to squash the nationalist right. One way to do that is to placate their concerns.
As someone who is also called Ruben, I totally agree.
I only been outside my country once and live next to the midle of my country, yeat i belive Shengen shpuld be preserve since there are invisable benefits that still effects people like me second hand.
I agree, coming from a border region too. We need to help the border countries safeguard the external borders. They are asking for it for years now.
@@rubensrides amazing
They’d rather destroy the whole point of the EU instead of just push the boats back and reinforce Greece’s, Spain’s and Bulgaria’s borders🤡
@@Le.soleil these are the far right parties many people voted for
Every country wants to profit from human trafficking, but no country wants to be the final destination.
Aside from that, when the Schengen Zone was created, nothing has been learned nothing from the internal migration problems of the US, Russia and China. Texans hate Californians moving in, in China they've the hukou system, banning people to move to the cities. Russia is still using a derivative of the Soviet propiska in which internal migration is limited as well.
Morality vs reality… I hope someday the whole world can be a ‘Schengen Area’. Border controls DO limit freedom AND economic growth. But still in this modern day, wealthy countries cannot accept large amounts of culturally dissimilar people from impoverished places without major cultural clashes, and draining resources from welfare systems.
@@kuil "Culturally dissimilar" This is why Europeans are inferior. You're so concerned with "culture" and keeping away anyone not like you. Not too long ago the Polish were considered too different from Western Europeans. Now it's non-Euros trying to come in. The problem is inability to assimilate, why is caused by Euros refusing to think anyone who doesn't look like them can act like them. No one is like you, everyone is different, but you only care about welfare when someone you think is undeserving of it is taking from it. What's next, they're eating pets? This mindset that maintaining culture by excluding anyone different is why Europe will always lose.
Would totally undermine the European Union Idea/Vision..
That's the plan
The vision was never to get overrun by immigrants coming here and trying to impose their culture on us. The goal was to bring them here and for them to assimilate to be like us
Brexit was the canary in the coal mines on these issues the EU failed to take seriously, leading to all this.
@@Alexander-yb1zc Brexit happened because of dumb nationalism the british people actually hate Brexit so much
@@Alexander-yb1zc Hardly. Much to the disappointment of Brexiters, there were no further waves of EU-xits and even the most traditionally Euroceptic parties, like RN in France or Fratelli in Italy have no desire to follow in the UK's suicide. Unlike the so-called "Global Britain" the rest of the EU understand their outsize influence on the world is reliant on the normative regulatory nature of the EU and as a large single market, which in turn is predicated on integration of these much smaller countries and markets together.
If Frontex did their job, we wouldn’t be in this crisis.
All EU countries should supply manpower and or money, to patrol the external border of the EU.
Frontex is underfunded and limited by law as to what it can do unfortunately. If the EU had the balls to let Frontex do their job freely we would indeed be in a better place right now.
@@Wonder478 What would that look like to you?
@@westrim Well definitely not violating the Schengen aggrement to benefit your own country that's number one. Also our cities wouldn't be flooded with illegal immigrants from countries that are NOT at war but try to take advantage of the situation to come to the EU freely. Our taxes wouldn't be used to give those illegal immigrants money but instead be used to benefit the economy and the people of the country (Many immigrants have been caught with more than 2000 euros btw). Less fear for terrorist attacks on our cities and lower crime rates. Less people who don't respect a countries culture and try to force islam into the EU (Which is already happening). And many other reasons beyond those.
the issue isn't monetary, but rather legal. border guards legally cannot do anything - if they get shot at they literally cannot shoot back
@@SzymonPmc How many shootings were there?
This would make the EU a little pointless.
You do realize Schengen isn’t the only thing that makes up the EU agreement right? Love confident ignorants like you, keep trying
@@extrapolate Read carefully and see how they said "a little".
There are non-eu-members participating in Schengen. Therefore, it would be pointless already.
This wouldn’t make EU pointless but it would make Schengen pointless
Nah, you still have the economic zone, the free movement, the common policies, close cooperation, EU funds and massive projects like rail baltica.
In Bulgaria we are still not really in Schengen, which does cost us a lot, but that's not even close to making the EU useless for us.
Never. Beef up frontex. Unity over Division. Secure the continent and stop this asylum bs. Help the countries that needed and fight those that allow them to pass to weaken us. We are no help to the world when divided.
Stopping the asylum isn’t enough anymore. Mass deportations are needed of all Islamists and any migrants that refuse to integrate, including revoking citizenship
Frontex can't do shit. It got shat on by the EU parliament for doing pushbacks.
In the current system 56% of asylum seekers are fraudsters of which 21% leave the EU.
The whole asylum system is built on this and you can't do fck all about it without changing the human rights treaties or stopping people from entering the EU (which is illegal under said treaties).
The problem is that they need a "return to sender" method. To effectively force migrants back out of Europe.
Migrant found in Germany? Send them back to Austria. Not from Austria? Send them back to Croatia.
Basically push them all the way back to the original European frontier. Then that European country just dumps them on the doorstep of the non European country they crossed in through.
100%
"Apart from Cyprus and Ireland" -> still highlights Cyprus
and acts like Bulgaria and Romania didn't exist
How about secure eu borders, nah that's too difficult a decision for our milk toast politicians
They don't want to spend the extra money needed to reinforce FRONTEX
@@TheFezTheLord milk toast politicians... Well that's one way to describe it
It is spelt milquetoast.
@@serebii666"Milk toast" is funny ngl
@@serebii666 Gonna spend all that money policing crime instead now
That Dutch Mini-Schengen looks like a modern Holy Roman Empire!
Not holy
neither Roman
nor empire.
Heiliges römisches Reich deutsch-niederländischer Nation!
That's precious. If Austria closes its border down then Italy gets strained because they cant send them off to Germany? How about you send every migrant you dont want back to where they came from? That is precisely the problem we have with schengen. Noone cares to secure the outer border because everyone thinks that they can just offload the unwanted migrants to a different EU country.
And what's stopping those migrants from coming right back around?
As for not proposing strengthening external borders? The northern Euro countries don't want to be viewed as racists or bigots. Look at how much backlash and international condemnation the border countries face when they tried to send back the tidal waves of migrants Countries like the Netherlands and Germany want to be seen as these open and progressive countries without having to deal with the extra baggage that comes with being all inclusive. Hense the internal line drawing without talking about the base issues.
@@RetroRadianceLight What backlash and condemnation are you talking about?
@@RetroRadianceLightthere have been no punishments for border countries turning backigrants. It's just more convenient for them to send them off to the north.
Oh,@@RetroRadianceLight... what's stopping them from turning right back around? The promise that should they again attempt to enter illegally, they'll just be sent back again. As many times as it needs for them to finally understand that they need to put the effort into legally migrating to whichever country they want to go to.
Every tolerated or accepted illegal immigrant is an insult to those who do their due diligence.
Leftist parties in EU do not want to send anybody back, and home countries of illegal migrants are not accepting them either. It will not work..
Had Europe been faster with GEAS (2026) and more stringent, none of this would be an issue 🤷🏻♀️
The outer-borders need to be protected, in order to guarantee free movement through the inner-borders
Had Europeean powers like France and the uk stopped destabilising foreign governments this wouldn't be an issue
I live in The Netherlands near the German border and I have to deal with "security" measures as well. Totally ineffective! There are probably a hundred border crossings to Germany. They only check the major ones. There's only massive traffic jams and damage to the economy.
And seriously, a terrorist who really wants to get in can just go through fields, this kind of populist idea is perfectly stupid.
I agree, last weekend i was helping with taking samples of moss in Czechia near German bordres-got lost in tought and after a few hours we (a group of about 20 people) found ourselves in Germany. Unless they fence off whole border it is really easy for even such a large group of people to cross borderes (and not even notice-and we did not even go trough any rough terrain, it was a nice walk-and a lot of samples for us that will take weeks to analyze in the lab)
it's just propaganda from the current leftist German Government.
They do like they are controlling the borders (faking it), because %81 of German citizens want to see a change in migration politics.
No, it's a dumb idea. The Union will need to strengthen Frontex, that's the only way.
If the cm public anxiety about migration is rational then strengthening Frontex will do it. If it is based on hysteria and disinformation, then no measures will satisfy them.
Frontex is bad idea. If every country in EU invest that much money an man power, they could easly secure their own borders rather than only southern Europe.
Mini Schengen means Schengen is failed
It has
Bingo.
if something not working properly anymore, and you can not fix it, than you better change it.
"Mini-Schengen" is a good idea but i do not think the Southern Europe allow this.
This will be the end of Europe if it came to pass. We need to strengthen the external border, and seeing how 99% of international refugees are in their relative first neighbouring nations, help create infrastruction in and coperation with the countries that border the Schengen Zone along these routes (if cooperation can be achieved)
Indeed.
And cooperation should certainly be achievable with a bit of carrot and stick.
Development aid and favourable trade deals if cooperative, economic sanctions if not.
@@nicobruin8618 Are you two new to this world? We give BILLIONS a year in "cooperation". The problem is most of the world is corrupt af and nothing improves.
Can't do that without reforming the treaties. Let's just do that.
Europe is a continent. Not the same thing as the EU
Schengen failed because the outside border was not strong enough. The weaker the internal borders, the stronger the outside border needs to be. (But the Eurocrats had different plans...)
Schengen will fail because enough people were convinced that migrants are the problem while the EU faces a bazillion other, way way more important issues that don't even get talked about.
European politicians wanted the cheap labor. They knew that if they just gaslighted their populations with “attempts” to stop “irregular migration,” that would be satisfactory to keep their people subdued. And now that the cheap labor is already in Europe, it’s too late
I've just wanted to write the same thing.
Irregular migration isn't that just illegal migration by a different name
Yeah, it's called propaganda.
No, illegal carries a penal connotation and asylum seekers are not criminalised for that, only if their applications are rejected and they don't leave
@soundscape26 in Germany not leaving is not only not illegal but they also get paid
Nope. Illegal migration is breaking laws, irregular migration is breaking expectations. So that's a superset.
@@wasgehtsiedasan1920 AND THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK! That's the kicker, isn't it? If you've only got a Duldung, you basically have no legal way to make money, except for the social-welfare. You also are not allowed to leave the federal state you're in, so leaving is actually illegal then.
I don't think that's a good idea. Protect exterior borders. Assist the southern countries if necessary. Most important think imo is bringing rescued people in the Mediterranean Sea back to their point of origin.
The issue is that hasn't worked even remotely, and when southern nations actually do try to do effective exterior border protection (like pushbacks) a shitload of people get their panties in a twist. And on top of that we have no real way of sending back people, as the country of origin or their bordering nation (in the case of war) don't actually want them. The only real solution is not getting them here in the first place but for loads of political movements, philosophies, parties and the media that's a big no-go.
The only other solution that does allow them here is some unified prison island for rejected migrants that they can only leave if they willingly go back to their own country. But that obviously also has their fair share of issues.
the easiest solution is to not rescue them
The Southern Europe do not care about this issue as long as illegal migrants want to go West Europe.
West Europe can secure their own border instead of Southern Europe's...
As a Romanian we want full Schengen access! We are tired of compromises. It's the fault of Western countries for inviting illegal immigrants in the first place! Why do we need to pay for their mistakes?
Inviting? You’re joking right?
Let's not do the whole East vs West Europe thing(it's 2024, my best mate is Belarusian and I have great love for the city of Constanța in Romania which I revisit every now and then), I'm pretty sure most of the Western countries populations also didn't want this since it puts them on the backfoot in terms of housing and lower salaries.
I can imagine people voting for Merkel also didn't expect her to do her "wir schaffen das" after the elections.
Let's work together and fix the issue!
@@frankhuurman3955 Ja, sie hat uns gezwungen diese Leute zu akzeptieren, auch wenn die Mehrheit dagegen war... Ich kann nicht glauben, dass sie so viele Wahlen gewonnen hat, während sie das Land in die aktuelle Krise katapultiert hat... Entweder Energie, Migration oder öffentliche Dienstleistungen, sie hat gescheitert. Als ein 21 Jährige bin ich enttäuscht, weil ich nie die Möglichkeit hatte für diese Sachen zu wählen.
I know Romanians who blame Italy for receiving migrats like if Italy had chosen to receive them... If they randomly show up at you shores there's literally nothing you can do, you can't just send them back because of international law... Romania has the blessing of not having to deal with this problem first-hand
@@vincenzoc.1781It's not a blessing, either. You think all those people will stay in Italy after they fill up there?
explodes violently out of confusion
a really simple explanation: racism
@@nicolaswirtz Thinking everyone different shade from you can't be a bad person is indeed very rasist
This is the stupidest idea they put out yet
I speak as a UK Romanian dual national. One one hand Romania is likely going to get full scale Schengen membership along with Bulgaria by the end of the year. On one hand you could call that progress.
If the Schengen area doesn't actually work in practice then I can't see the point.
Mini Schengen is a half way house and is not exactly the spirit of Schengen at all. Either it works or it doesn't. Either we keep it (with the opt outs) or it's scrapped
Austria just made it explicitly clear that they continue to refuse to let us in indefinitely. "We are on the right WAY, but FAR from its end", is their attitude. As in, "not in this decade, chumps!"
Schengen was working very well until Southern Europe joins....
Terrible idea and a total destruction of the single best part of the EU.
Is it? What does it stop exactly? Is it really so inconvenient to show ID to cross into the next country?
Doesn't cost anything. But massively increases security.
@@Patrick-y4d1z Are you insane? Yes it does cost, quite a lot in fact, as the wait time can be hours. Time is money, not to mention when you travel with small children and/or only have a day for a trip to somewhere that happens to be in a neighbouring country, it DOES matter when you may or may not have to wait in a line for 2 hours, in both directions.
@@19Szabolcs91
Ah no, two whole hours of waiting, how would you ever cope with a minor delay like that.
That's clearly worth mass migration collapsing the economy and housing market, while skyrocketing crime.
Damn, should've told us sooner about the two hour wait.
@@Patrick-y4d1z The fact that you think two hours of waiting every single time you want or need to cross a border is nothing, clearly shows how out of touch are you with reality or how entitled and/or devoid of empathy you are.
People's lives are set up this way. A lot of people work in neighbouring countries. And smaller countries would be disproportionally screwed. People's personal lives too, but also when transport is longer, guess what, prices increase. Petrol consumption increases. Pollution increases, and the list goes on and on.
Mass migration and crime have their solutions. Schengen was working for decades, these are all new problems, and you are not supposed too throw out the baby with the bathwater.
@@19Szabolcs91
My dude, Schengen absolutely hasn't been working for decades, and a couple of hours really isn't a big deal.
But as you're so concerned, there are technological solutions.
For example, at the airport, when re-entering the country, you scan your passport and facial recognition will automatically let you through. Takes literally seconds to get through.
The EU will do anything but admit and adress the root of the problem
By eu you mean germans? Because poland has no problem to call a spade a spade
I had a trip to germany from denmark yesterday. I was mentally prepared for the scary border controlls only for me to get into germsny without realising. There wasnt even a single policeman or a border at app
that is because germany never reintroduced a border controll, in reintroduced border checks... Which most countries in the Eu never stopped doing.
The difference is quite simple. a Control stops every single car and checks pasports and maybe does an inspection.
A check means that the borders are being watched with major arteries seeing a constant police presence. Austri does that on every single crossing it has with germany for decades. Multiple german states used their internal police force to do that job (Brandenburg and Saxony did ever since poland joined and the Federal police stopped doing controls and checks, because stolen cars and bycilcles just so happened to always be found in polish border towns)
It was a move designed to sound as populist as possible while doing as little as needed. The few spots where traffic is actually impacted are almost certainly done on purpose to give the news a story.
It is also funny how many EU countries complained about the move despite germany following all the steps for sth which they can do whenever without telling anyone because the Schengen agreement does not prohibit checks, just controls. Hence why essentially anyone who is not Orban has instantly shut up the moment they saw what was actually being done.
I dont think germany had denmark in mind when they closed its borders. The main stress came from other routes. Its not really practictal to begin with but more of a political sign against the lack of solidarity when it comes to the disfunctional dublin system, as most migrants want to go germany.
it's just propaganda from the current leftist German Government. They do like they are controlling the borders (faking it), because %81 of German citizens want to see a big change in migration politics.
Once upon a time, these were called "National Borders".
I remember those they would be reformed every 10 mins because europe is an unstable mess with many villains
"National borders" is itself a very modern concept. The pass-card, the direct antecedent of the passport (having most of one's information aside from a picture) is only as old as 1850, and that only came into being to regulate the relatively free travel between the states of the German Confederation, which also at the time had their own common currency and customs union, the Zollverein. Passports only became a thing after WW1. Europe has spent most of it's history as relatively porous and murkily defined borders, and during the recent times where borders became hard and fortified, that coincided with enmity and war.
Borders still exist in their most important capacity... try to cross one and claim sovereignty over that piece of land
they still are called that and still function like that.
You shoudl read more than just stupid peoples propaganda
@@serebii666State borders are not at all a modern concept, they exist for thousands of years. Actually that's the one thing all states throughout the times have in common: they all had borders. You never could just walk in, you had to be allowed in
Oh yes, let's make smaller EUs within the EU, and then even smaller EUs within these EUs! Wait, didn't we ... have exactly that ... before the EU?
Then every single truck leaving the mini area should be inspected at great lengths
Yes, de facto ending free flow of goods, and the whole concept of the EU with that. 😅
Isn’t that just having borders
@@boundlessvoyageur5302 no it's just a "me having my favie bestie you get africans"
Not necessarily, borders are mostly sovereignty markers, those never ceased to exist
@@fesyuki-kun2332not really, any country is allows to extradite or deport non-citizens.
The free movement inside the EU is what attracts tallent to the EU. Please don't kill it.
That is totally pointless.
Oh look, german leadership being clown for 5926480274th time
One correction: Germany has always had Czechs at their Eastern border 😬🙈🇨🇿
The Dutch would cry to their government the moment the summer comes and they need to show their passports to go to France and Spain XD
No we would not. Speak just for yourself please.
Who wants to go to France anyway , its basically turned in to Islamistan
I'm Dutch and no, we don't care about that. Having your passport ready is part of preparing for your vacation. Everyone can do it easily and showing it for a check is no effort at all.
0:33 Your map shows Cyprus in the Schengen zone, Cyprus is not a Schengen member.... it wouldn't be TLDR EU if it didn't get something wrong about the EU, would it?
🤔 you keep forgetting Ireland in EU maps 😂 i realized about it in other videos too.
This is a bad idea. We should just strengthen the actual borders and let Europeans be free.
Mini-Schengen is like the rich going behind gated communities while the rest of the countries on the coast will get the same migrant issues but even worse.
Yes, the rich ones who invited their new friends, and once they arrived, they are too busy to meet them.
yes, that was real point of EU, before Soeuthern Europe joins.
No, as Lukas mentioned. This will reduce induced demand since it would be extraordinarily difficult to reach countries offering better life prospects. Not many would try to enter EU just to be stuck in Greece -Romaina region.
@@viperV10 after migrants already reached the continent, the game of over. It's relative easy to find a cross the continent to go to Germany. No country has that much police to guard every road and forest and even if they would, what will they do against 100+ groups ? Poland had to build a fence and deploy the army and that's a tiny border. Not to even assume some border guards will be corrupt or smuglers would find new routes.
Immigration is not the problem, it’s the failure to integrate. Provide basic services for newly arrived citizens. The Schengen should stay.
In my opinion, I think the problem is the EU's external border, which isn't well protected. A stronger bárrier, like an electrified wáll could help prevent individuals from certain ideologies, who oppose liberal rights and gender equality, from entering.
Apart from the eastern border with Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus, the rest of the border is on bodies of water. So how could a “wall” help?
Which certain ideologies specifically?
@@Alexander-yb1zcI think it's the one that starts with an N and ends with an I
@@FDafieno he means shooting the boats
Right cause building an "electrified wall" around Europe to keep Muslims out sounds positively liberal and enlightened.
I recieved my allience poster yesterday🙌
Now we have AI and facial recognition, it should be pretty easy to use cameras to control national borders without causing problems for EU citizens
Doesn't matter whether the zones/areas are large or small. They have to control the outer border or it doesn't work.
Oliver Laughland's video recently for the Guardian had him stopped on the road in Arizona and asked for his documents. He was travelling through the same country. Everyone seems to ask for documents now.
hello guys, nice video, however a small mistake, Cypus is highlighted as Schenghen and is not.
The E.U is trying to model Schengen after the U.S. But the difference is that E.U not also has trouble makers like Orban, But it has much more borders to cover than the U.S. Seems like the border agency isnt ether fully staffed or funded to handle the increase.
@@DennisTheInternationalMenace that isn't even true free movement in the us is not that free there are borders, you realise that Europe as a whole is way smaller than half of America right? That would be like putting borders in every city
Calling Orban the trouble maker in the context of border control after the past decade...
Orban is a moron, but this is actually where he is right. If eu protected its outside borders, this would have never been an issue. Orban - unlike germans - was building wall around hungary, and was criticised by germans (the same germans who now want "mini-schengen") for protecting those borders. So who is at fault here? They are willing to destroy whole schengen just so they dont have to admit how this fool orbans was right at least once in his career.
@@fesyuki-kun2332 Why are you comparing Europe and America? He is talking about EU/Schengen and USA.
Yeah, Europe is way smaller than America, but it is irrelevant since Europe is not a political union and neither is America (France and Belarus are both in Europe, Canada and Brazil are both in America).
If you meant to say EU/Schengen and USA, then you are still wrong. EU/Schengen countries are very close to being half the size of USA, not "way smaller than half".
If you meant Europe and USA for some reason: Europe is slightly larger than USA.
@@Spacemongerr I am saying that Schengen makes sense and is a good thing due to many reasons including europes small size travel there is not that time consuming compared to the states is what I mean because of the size
Or, you know, just work on enforcing border security in frontier countries in the Mediterranean instead of destroying the Schengen? It's all fine and dandy when something works but the moment something needs fixing people want to jump boat? Crazy.
Geert immediately starts splitting EU apart as was his agenda from the start.
Mini Schengen zones. You know, like. The Germany zone, the Luxembourg zone, the Andorra zone. . .
I want my mini-Schengen on my building's floor.... oh, no wait, I want it in my apartment, as I don't want to share it with the other one on the same floor! 🤭
@@cxar71 if my roommates want to use the kitchen, they gotta go through customs like everyone else
As a Dutch person, my country lost the plot long ago. They dont even know how to deal with organized crime, we had many governments fall apart because they were just that incompetent. So any plans coming from our politicians should just be ignored for the safety of all involved.
Name one EU problem that wouldn't be solved by making EU more federalized
Decentralization
*Gestures at European history*
The idea of "the EU is showing signs of dysfunction so let's have more EU!" is a hard proposition to sell to the public. It may be right but I'm skeptical people will agree.
the gradual destruction of freedom of opinion in Germany
@Pasta_Pirate People won't agree, Brexit was a canary in the coal mines. Whilst we can endlessly talk about the duplicitous campaign in the end 30 million people don't vote to leave unless they have significant concerns the believe the EU failed to address.
Band-aids to treat the symptoms rather than the root cause of the issues; sounds like typical EU behaviour tbh. You guys pretty clearly outline that the issue isn't at all with freedom of movement within the Schengen; it's freedom of movement from those outside the Schengen but it's not very "correct" to say so. Instead of dividing up into mini-Schengens or whatever other hairbrained scheme that won't work they come up with, all they need to do is dedicate resources to protecting the EU border -- presto! no need for inter-EU border controls.
But, this is the EU we're talking about. Of course they won't do that. I wonder if in an alternate reality where Brexit didn't happen if they'd be going down this same path though? I feel like Brexit just hardened the EU's resolve to ignore every issue brought up by the Brexit campaign just to 'prove them wrong'...
how bout they just do a mini schengen that has literally every country in the current one except hungary
There's been the Nordic Passport Union that allows citizens of the Nordic countries-Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland-to travel and reside in another Nordic country without any travel documentation (e.g. a passport or national identity card) or a residence permit since 1952. Usually it is recommened to have a national identity card with you just in case if you need to prove e.g. the Finnish citizenship in other Nordic countries.
I am writing this comment even without watching the video: 1 - how would internal borders Solve the EU’s Migration Crisis if the external borders are weak? 2- There is a huge variety in how different counties give nationality and residence permits.
this is racism speedrun
TLDR treating Ireland as if its part of the UK in its graphics *again*.
No, the error in the map you refer to is not to deny the "blue" color to Ireland, but granting it to Cyprus which, just like Ireland, is not a member of the Schengen treaty.
We romanians and bulgarians are never gonna fully join schengen are we?
this is ridiculous
Italy was also a member of the European Economic Community
Yes, but we were not part of the original 1985 Schengen treaty, only Benelux plus France and Germany were. We adhered at a later state, in 1990.
If the EU understood many of the problems come from people already living in the EU, like people who immigrated legally and second or third-generation immigrants, much of the terrorist threat would be alleviated
4:00 Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg? This seems like an attempt to revive the Holy Roman Empire 😅
I know that Poland will always want keep an open border with Czech Republic and Slovakia. there is also no reason to close the border with Lithuania. the three baltic states will definitely have an open border as its very important for them, so if a mini-shengen happened, one of the regions would almost definitely be: Czech Rep., Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia.
This would defeat the whole purpose of the EU. We need to patrol our borders. An EU border patrol... imagine. But it's a dream. A futile one.
The og purpose was trade agreement not federalisation so no it wouldnt.
What are you on about? The og purpose was always political, social and economic integration, as to prevent wars. It was never "just a trade agreement".
Its almost as if having a shared outer border, without a shared immigration policy is a bad idea. Just like having a shared currency without having a shared financial policy is a bad idea.
Lets be real here you have 27 countries each with different needs for success, some need immigration others need financial freedom. The EU experiment needs reform to be more efficient before there is a fundemental fracture as these differences start to wedge the union apart.
These are all economic problems easily solvable by anti corruption campaigns and right management which the eu sourly lacks and trust me the far right does not want Schengen
That assumes that what one country needs does not directly compete with what anther one wants, which is just not the case in practice. Part of why the EU exists in the first place is to mediate the different agenda between countries so that we don't become a fractured blob fighting among ourselves or have big countries in and outside Europe completely dictate what smaller countries do.
@PhthaloJohnson The issue is the complex bureaucracy of the EUmeans that issues are not resolved efficiently. We should get rid of the excess and just have the EU parliament.
@@Alexander-yb1zcThe EP is the most useless organisation of all, without any real power. The Commission and the Council are the most important bodies
The EU either needs to federalize or it will either slowly fail with the current system or fall apart and the EU counties will lose most of their power on the global stage.
I wouldn't mind a US like system even if that means giving up our autonomy as a country.
Rather live in a prosperous EU than a failing smaller country. But that's just me I guess.
Or just secure the borders rather than risk a break up of the EU
The problem is instituting Schengen exclusions not, suboptimal “mini-Schengen” areas…
The mini shengrn looks familiar
The collapse of Schengen is so depressing.
0:34 Cyprus is not in the Schengen Area.
The idea of mini schengen is way to avoid creating a cohesive, united border and immgration policy. However, to do this the EU is going to have to end the unanimous decisions for qualified majorities
Brussels should instate a tight external border policy. Europe seems rather dysfunctional when each local government can block decisions. The Netherlands and Germany have willingly accepted the most migrants.
The map at the beginning incorrectly included Cyprus in the Schengen zone.
Also, it's inaccurate to connect the Schengen zone with the principle of freedom of movement. Freedom of movement refers to the lack of restrictions for EU/EEA nationals to work, study, and reside in different EU/EEA countries, unrelated to whether there are border controls between those countries. E.g. Freedom of movement concerns Ireland and Cyprus as well, although neither of them is in the Schengen zone.
They should just secure the external borders instead.
We need more funding for Frontex. Good border security around Schengen to limit migration flows would do more to fix this issue than scrapping what might be one of the biggest accomplishments of the EU.
2:01 at first I thought he said "cyprus, an island" and I was really confused at
1. The need to specify cyprus as an island
2. Forgerring Ireland isn't part of Schengen either
Then I realised he'd said "and Ireland" rather than "an island"😅
Still though, Romania and Bulgaria are currently only part of schengen for air and maritime borders, bot pand borders (and aren't shown on your map) despite being EU countries, so worth a mention as well
Is the mini-schengen idea to keep the migrants inside that zone?
Yeah trust me it all starts like this, fortress europe will return
I'm glad the audio notes the exclusion of Cyprus from the Schengen, but maybe it would've been nice to show it on the map as well? 😅
This would be horrible, there shouldn't be any border checks anywhere within the EU
the "2/3 or the people think it's perfectly fine like it is" line kinda settles it, doesn't it? Just keep it like it is.
Letting in migrants from outside the Shengen area and wondering why it doesn't work
what we need is not more division, we need a federation, a force to be reckoned with and who will have enough power to solve our problems
Completely incorrect, thats socialism 🤣
*reckoned with
@@Alexander-yb1zc thanks for the correction
@@gtrdxz International cooperation and ideology are two different things
@@gtrdxz what...
You forgot Romania and Bulgaria 2:01
*Laughs in British tea ☕
I actually like that Baltics + Finland map you did on the thumbnail 😮👍
I don't.
Nordic countries has been Passport Union (open borders & free movement) since 1952.
You solve the problem by stopping the migrants at the exterior borders and turning back the boats.
I have no problem with countries creating regions where crossing the borders would only be hard on the outside borders of the region, but it kind of breaks Schengen? I mean Schengen was supposed to be the same thing, but bigger.
So you guys would rather essentially break up the EU than enforce borders?
This will not break the EU, in fact Schengen is not even equivalent to the EU.
It sounds like a lot of these issues would be resolved if Hungary would get its act together.
What we need is a common border/customs/immigration policy for EU/Schengen outer borders, and have good enforcable agreements on housing and financing migrants
I think given the issues with the EU-level government effectiveness, I'd say smaller subdivisions with more autonomy on their border security would improve satisfaction with the union.
How about we put more effort into protecting our external borders instead?
The current border controls to Austria and Germany show great results and underlines how the EU borders do not work. Be realistic, not idealistic.
Whoaaa--Romania and Bulgaria are not fully in Schengen yet. By air and sea yes, but definitely not land. I drove between Romania and Hungary a few weeks ago and you better believe there were checks, especially going north. I'm Hungarian and breezed through after inspection of the car while the Romanian fellow in front of me was refused entry--sounded like his national i.d. had expired.
bulgaria and romania are in the eu but arent in the shengen
They are in Schengen, since March 31, 2024, for journeys by sea and air.
@@serebii666 that means absolutely nothing economically :)
@cosminsora Considering the port of Constanca is the 5th busiest in the EU by annual cargo tonnage, and is the primary port of the Black sea and for the Danube, no, Schengen membership has very important ramifications.
@@serebii666 but taking into consideration that these goods stay at the RO-HU border for entire days due to the border control, that means nothing in terms of competitiveness :)
@@cosminsora...which is why sea access to Schengen is such a game changer - They can ship it via barge over the Danube or the other EU ports, and for much cheaper than over-land drivers. And since Constanca already has the infrastructure base it is quickly possible - already being done. Only rail can really compete with shipping, and the state of Romanian railways makes that moot.
There cannot be free movement within EU if the external borders are not secure. You can dance around the fact all you want but that’s the reality of the situation. Unfortunately, the EU that was built for peace and stability and the prosperity of its people is nowadays anything but. They just refuse to deal with the problem and we can all pretend together that it doesn’t exist. Mini Schengen areas, open but really closed internal borders. East is west. War is peace.