They Got FINED for Cleaning Up a River
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I really like how this video is another example of law enforcement breaking the law. The EPA's Military Munitions Rule puts the responsibility of ordnance from cradle to grave in the hands of the military. Graduates of the FBI's Hazardous Device School aren't authorized or qualified to identify or render safe, military ordnance...
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I just love how many people were in the comment section that didn't watch the damn video.
A Pasco County Detective left his handgun behind in a Burger King, and it was picked up by a homeless man. I think I know who has it, but I decided taking this game wardens' advice is in my best interest. I'm probably better off just avoiding all of it.
They turned off social media comments and you have to report all tips or complaints in person. You can still commend an officer on the website though. There is no way I'm walking in their department without a lawyer.
He's the kind of guy that if he had a flat tire on the side of the road and you stopped to help him out, he'd write you a ticket after because he noticed your vehicle inspection sticker expired last week.
or write you a ticket for stopping for a non-emergency reason lol
@@wgist87 Or write you a ticket for both in addition to your tire tread being to low...
Oh absolutely, 😆 "one good-doer at a time, I'll bring everyone down to my level"
If that warden was on the side of he road with a flat, he deserves someone to come by and flatten the other 3, spit in his face, and then drive off.
@@wgist87 😂😂
Let's all take a moment to appreciate the these citizens are being punished for not knowing every single law meanwhile cops regularly use ignorance of the law as an excuse to break it.
It is impossible to know the laws. There are more laws than you could even read, much less understand, in an entire lifetime.
@@furtim1 Agreed. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Personally I'd like one of the standards to be evidence the citizen knew what they were doing was illegal before arrest or criminal charges allowed in most cases. As in you can't punish someone for breaking a rule they can't reasonably have known about.
@@alastermyst Criminal intent is an element of the crime. If they go to court, the judge can take that into account and reduce (or waive) their fines.
@@alastermyst The legal standard you're talking about is called mens rea, and it does exist in some cases, that the prosecution must prove that the defendant knowingly intended to take an action that is a criminal offense. However, and IANAL, for some reason it doesn't always apply.
@@furtim1 one of my law professors in college said there were over 50,000 laws, statutes and regulations on the books. that number is a little over a decade old. one of the largest problems with trying to memorize the statutes is legislatures can amend them in any bill they pass, so laws as they are written today are not guaranteed to be permanently written that way.
UPDATE!!
Judge Threw out the case and dismissed the citations - DNR Officer was in the wrong and the case was tossed citing - Illegal Citations by way of Out Of Jurisdiction
Whoot! Thanks for letting us know
Also update: lieutenant Holman got aids and died
They should file a lawsuit or an official complaint against Officer Tubby McButterstain
@@mghostboy The Federal Judge took care of that according to a inside source of mine. he has scolded the State and DNR about it and the State is now looking into it.
WOOHOO... Exactly what I thought would happen!
Unbelievable. They literally got told by a cop that they shouldn't even report finding drugs to the police because they would go to jail for it
Dont report dead bodies either.
@@thedude5040 The Dude abides.
yup, the best business is minding your own, don't say a word to police about crimes or you're the criminal.
Great advice from our law enforcement lol. Geez.
What drugs, I didn't find any drugs. Why is the sky melting, do you have any french fries?
“Why is our community a shithole?” This game warden single handly destroyed this guys attitude towards cops and probably wont even get their help
Attitude *****
@@Alexander-ry6ri it's ok.. one day they'll learn the power of edit.
Attitude*
@@Alexander-ry6ri why?
EXACTLY...He had a golden opportunity to build good will with members of the community and he shit all over it. I gaurentee they won't call the cops again.
As a vet and DoD civilian of over 30 years, never call law enforcement unless absolutely necessary. Even if you are trying to help, sh*t will be turned around on you somehow.
Exactly
Just don't call them -- 99% of the time, they'll either make the situation worst or you'll end up in the situation that you weren't originally a part of. I've never found resolution or even partial resolution to a problem by inviting the help of the police. They're a gang of thugs sanctioned by the city / county / state.
You would probably have better results asking your local gang member for help than a cop. That's how backwards it is. I've had better interactions with thugs than I have cops.
Don't call cops. Don't talk to cops. Avoid cops. Cops will only cause you more problems. Cops are statistically dumber than you. Cops are evil. Cops will end up shooting your pet dog or your neighbor's dog. Don't purposely call them. Never invite them into your home. Avoid them at all costs.
Cops are bad. Stay far away.
Or if you do, try not to be in the area when they arrive
Working in the LE field: I concur. Do not call police unless absolutely necessary or last resort or to file a report when required by law.
Happened to me in the UK too. The police will just look for a reason to write anyone a citation, no matter where you are or what you're doing; they don't serve the people, they serve themselves.
I love how he basically said “This is the reason magnet fishing isn’t allowed here, cause you could find the stuff that the military illegally dumps.”
It's funny cuz if they were kids or teens or people who were looking for military equipment they'd have been easily able to snatch it up and run along and nobody would've known. Had they not called the authorities people could've gotten hurt do they care? No.
Exactly what I said 🤣
Illegally dumping,yep and look at Camp Lejeune's water problems.
Ya right so all the fish in there if there is any the water is prolly contaminated anyway
If it's on a military owned stretch of land, the problem could be unexploded ordinance. You go magnet fishing and accidentally pull up a hand grenade that never detonated, but it decides to go off on you
You also need special permits to be on those.
That warden was SO happy to be giving them tickets and giving them the lecture, you could hear it in his voice. Also, why is the river being used as disposal for these kinds of items? that water travels off base property and its really concerning this is how they dispose of this kind of stuff.
Guys like this need to take dirt naps in the game of Minecraft, man such a good game....
Heh, so if you're so appalled by them dumping crap in rivers, I guess you've never heard of their "burn pits" - you should check into it. Your tax dollars hard at work causing toxic sites all over the place and injuring people both in and out of the military. Dumping some old ammunition in the river is like small potatoes compared to the burn pits
@@PandemicGameplay no addict no they dont, they are doing good deeds in the real world not peter pan make believe
In an airport bag too
He was pissed that he had to stop eating his donuts
This seems like one of those things that could have been handled with “thank you guys for cleaning up the river and having good intentions and calling us, but please don’t do it again”
It's just that simple!!!!
Bold of you to assume this robot game warden is capable of basic reasoning
But they weren't thankful. They were annoyed that they discovered and filmed all this dangerous stuff the military is dumping in the river..
Tela tubby was not about to let that happen. With his attitude his wife must of ran off with a magnet Fisher.....
He probably has a quota. Knocked out his entire week with this one stop.
The lesson I took from this: don't ever contact authorities for any reason, no matter how good your intentions are, because it's pretty much guaranteed to end badly.
As the guy said in the video, "we're getting punished for doing the right thing"
This is a fact. The only time calling for the police should even be considered is if YOU are WILLING to allow everyone involved in the situation be murdered, arrested, or fined. Innocent or not those are the only 3 outcomes.
Anything you say or DO can be used against you.
The hood learned this many years ago.
Don't know who said it first but: "There's no situation that can't be made worse by calling the cops."
@@godblesshamas Probably no one said it and you’re making that nonsense up.
The fact that that officer compared what these guys were doing to robbing a bank literally pisses me off. Being punished for doing a good deed is beyond reprehensible. He could have just told him what the laws and statutes are and given them a warning. There was absolutely zero reason for him to write tickets other than a power trip
That idiot line caught my attention to. Cop is a scumbag.
You had a good point until your second sentence. They're not doing a good deed. They. Are. Breaking. The. Law. They are on a military base. Civilians on a military base without permits fishing, ON A TRAVEL ONLY ROAD. They should not have been out of their car in the first place. Let alone all of this shit.
Yeah, he tried to backtrack on that but couldn't think of anything else hahaha
@@Dtr146 totally disagree with you the officer had no empathy a warning would have been sufficient. They didn't knowingly break the law so the tickets were uncalled for imo.
@@Dtr146 you can break the law and still do a good deed, basing your moral compass purely on what's legal or not is pretty naïve
It is appreciated and noteworthy how polite and professional the MP was during this encounter. Well done, soldier.
People in the military have to deal with so much bullshit from higher ranks on a daily basis. He definitely felt for them.
you could even see his face while the game warden rambled *your begin a dick man*
That warden is precisely why people have such a negative perception of law enforcement. Just remember… never talk to cops and no good deed goes unpunished.
ACAB
Exactly, it's their literal job to charge us
@@hastyhillfarmand4x480 not entirely. It's their job to be guardians. It's the propaganda that they are only there to cite and fight that causes this kind of messed up Jakie Gleason, man with no eyes, walking tall, mentality.
note to self, dont help anyone in uniform even if they are dying cause you might be breaking the law.
@@hastyhillfarmand4x480 I’m a cop and disagree.. this guy is an embarrassment to law enforcement
"It's like robbing a bank and then calling the police." Actually, no... it isn't. This situation is not even close to that.
“Or finding 10lbs of weed.” 🤦♂️
Its like cleaning up illegal military dumping and get cited for it.
@@Bulskee what's wrong with canabis?
I agree. Equating it to bank robbery and then calling the police was really stupid because everyone knows it's illegal to rob a bank while it's probably certain that 99% of people wouldn't have thought magnificent over that bridge would have been illegal especially after they called and asked about permission.
And finding the 10 lb of weed was just as dumb or dumber than the bank robbing scenario. In his eyes there is nothing a citizen can do that would be considered being a good citizen when you call the police to report something.
This is exactly why the general public reacts negatively to law enforcement. A simple warning could have sufficed but he was on his high horse and would not see it any other way. The next time they or anyone else will find something dangerous who has seen this video will think twice about contacting law enforcement
Didnt even really need a warning. Every police department that actually had business being there all commended the guys and thanked them and said they did the right thing. Why the hell Game Warden even showed up to begin with is beyond me
As always my opinion never changes...f*** the police.
@@chasekruse7047 Well that's the shitty thing about laws, is that they don't consider moral ethics all the time.
And while I do not agree with the tickets, I do agree that it is dangerous to pull shit up that you don't know.
Its just overall easier but at the same time its unknown how those things got there.
But that's when the police come in to give judgement. Laws are a moral stand point of safety and fairness. Designed to punish poor negligence and those who do not abide.
And its up to the officers when situations like these should be taken as informational warning that achieve the same goal. The purpose of fines and jail is that the punishment serves as a method to make people abide them.
So if giving an informational warning achieves that same affect judging on intention and character and situation. What point does the fine give besides unnecessary back lash.
And eventually there is going to be that guy to do it if you morally find it just because it's illegal. And the guy who might enforce those laws much more strictly will probably just eventually find them and enforce then. But a warning. All it takes. To save them the trouble even if it is morally right.
Also if someonne was misinformed, or there is no clear sign of unwanted activity that should always be a warning. School doesn't teach us laws, and we are only human. Even if someone did misinform them perhaps it was through misunderstanding rather than their own lack of knowledge
discretion is the better part of valour
"will think twice about contacting law enforcement" - Yes, this is called 'The Chilling Effect' - IMHO, this activity of cleaning up our water ways, embarrasses & reveals the YEARS of environmental abuse by government agencies; look at all the lawsuits over the years for similar negligence/pollution...
Moral of the story: Never call the police. You put yourself at risk.
Exactly. Jackass with a badge.
Exactly! And these police are able to use discretion and never do! Only for their friends and family! So corrupt and infuriates a lot of Americans! Myself included! I can't stand people who blindly praise police simply because if they didn't , the police would have no backing and no choice but to enforce the law appropriately and hiring officers who were not fit would seldom happen. I can't wait to leave the US because it's a fraud in almost everyway imaginable. I'm on my wife's yt account now and we hope to move to Spain but would also like to come back and possibly work and live while visiting family. I'm pointing out that I am on her account simply because I wouldn't put it past our government to hold this comment against her being able to become a citizen. They have already denied our claim because I'm too poor and my father apparently is too to become her sponsor... We married for love march 18 last year and now she can't go see her family. It's discrimination and I'm extremely fed up with seeing good people pay the price for bad people and immoral laws. I could be getting disability from debilitating anxiety, phobias, depression, but I still try to work because I was raised that way. But now I'm being punished. They also threw me in prison with no criminal record on hearsay and for basically being born in a poor disabled family... I pray daily for change and for strength from God because when you are truly trying your best and meet roadblock after roadblock, it's demoralizing and i believe that's what their game is. For anyone else struggling out there, stay strong, find God/or not, but never give up! You are worth it and you are loved!! don't know you personally, but I pray for everyone daily! ❤️
Exactly 💯
Imagine if they leave a bunch of ordinance on the road because…you know…safety 😮
No Country For Old Men
This game warden really compared cleaning pollution out of a lake to robbing a bank lmfao
I would’ve responded to him, “so if I found 10 pounds of marijuana on the ground , you’d expect me not to call the police? I think that would be a little problematic….”
Yeah, he doesn't want this idiots blowing themselves up.
Brendan Lawn he's a Game Warden and i have never had one act any other then a total ass !
@@EdwardJamesKenway... It literally said if you found marijuana you would go to jail like no cops can arrest you if you found a random bag with marijuana.
@@kosrules1884 Wasn't there some case about dude mistakenly buying car tires from chinese smugglers thro ebay, and getting mailed firearm suppressors? Remember the dude then got jailed after reporting it
"It's like robbing a bank, and ..."
Clearly, they had no clue it was "illegal". This dude is ridiculous.
More like finding a quarter on the ground at a bank, handing it back to the teller and then getting fined for robbing a bank, if anything.
@@deathdude360 Yes. That warden is what is wrong with law enforcement. A warning would have been totally appropriate. That fine was obscene.
@@777Tralfaz777 They fished not 1 but 86 practice rockets, along with other unexploded ordinance, out of the river with absolutely no safety protocols. Like fishing UXO out of the river isn't warning enough? A warning would have been appropriate if they fished out 1 and said "maybe this is a bad idea and we should call someone" but they didn't; they continued to engage in the behavior despite a clear threat to their own safety and the public safety of those on the road.
@@apromero911 Yea, the military seemed so concerned about it. It is a dude on a power trip.
Hey...it's obvious that the Warden was just sitting down to a 32 course meal at Denny's and they interrupted his gorging himself....so we can't blame him for being grumpy. What a dick!!
As a state trooper, this a*hole of a warden makes my blood boil. I can’t stand when officers go on power trips. We have discretion for this very reason.
“Hey guys I appreciate you trying to clean the river, it’s a bit dangerous to do that considering the items you’re pulling out of the river. I’ll make sure to let the Army command know they need to get this cleaned up. Have a nice day gents.”
That’s how it should’ve ended.
Right and why the hell is that stuff in the river to begin with?
@@encarn Dropping things during drills? Missfires? Who knows, doesn't change the fact the warden was an a*shole
@@encarn Soldiers coming out of the field for the weekend dont want to waste an hour on ammo turn in and waiting on the ammo count that needs to be done for the unit that is turning in. Soldiers when they go out to the field have ammo disseminated from the Designated ammo person in the unit. He is the one responsible for signatures and dispensing of ammo. Whatever ammo is not used, needs to be turned in. Thats when soldiers be like "oh shit, get rid of it" and gets tossed. I was stationed there for 6 years and I seen all kinds of ammo being tossed. I report it and they look at me like im stupid. Then you wonder why the army retention is at an all- time low now. I am glad I am retired. I couldn't put up with the bullshit ANY military installation puts out.
@@hristiyandelisyarov6487 Reserve/Guard go through another area of the installation. Misfires are tossed in a dud pit, not in a river. They just dont want to turn in the ammo at the AHA when it comes time to come back in. its complacency at its finest.
I am a retired LEO and agree with you 100%. Back in the day I was guilty of buying the down and out a sandwich and coffee once in a while and even taking them home. I must have missed the lessons on bullying people. A ticket or an arrest isn't always the best solution.
When I was a teenager I got pulled over and cited for doing 42 in a 35 zone even though I was only moments prior stopped at a traffic light and the car to my left arrived at the intersection as the light turned green. That vehicle was speeding. When I pointed it out the officer became aggressive and asked me if I wanted him to inspect my car for other issues. I took the ticket.
Days later, while at work in our local movie theater, the cop we all knew (he provided mall security) brought in his fellow cop in to ensure we gave him our police officer discount for his upcoming date. We had a policy of free movie admission and refreshments for cops because of the security they provided. I promised our familiar officer I would not forget him because, as you have guessed, he was the cop who wrote me the ticket a few days prior.
When he showed up with his date, I deftly asked the ticket seller to let me handle it. The cop shows me his badge and said he gets a free ticket. I told him, that would be inappropriate and charged him full price. He begrudgingly paid for his ticket and moved to concessions where I followed and “took care of him” again. He got so frustrated and eventually said, “Young man, don’t you remember me from the other night with Officer XX?” I leaned over the counter and said, “Sir, don’t you remember me from the 42 in a 35 ticket in front of the mall?” He slammed the money on the counter and stormed off.
Few days later, our usual officer showed up and ask me why I didn’t take care of his comrade. I told him why. He shook his head, said something disparaging about the other officer and tried to get the ticket thrown out on my behalf. Hope that story brightens your day, it was nearly 40 years ago.
Lmao, I hope that story is true. But even if it's apocryphal, I still enjoyed it.
@@SSky06 my wife of 37 years was working there that day, in Beckley, WV, at the Raleigh Mall Cinemas, Officer Ferguson was our security moonlighting cop. I do not remember the asshat’s name though, let’s call him Officer P. Rick.
Well, was he successful at getting it thrown out? Were dates of cops free too?? Had cops been wearing cameras back then or had dash cams, it would've been dropped
@@gonebananas777 Yes, per County Clerk, no ticket on record when I went to pay it. Mysteries happen I suppose. It was 1983. There were no cameras back in those days.
Yes. I'm glad you stuck it to Bart.
Here's a couple of lessons from this: Don't expect praise from law enforcement for being a good citizen, they don't care. Find a gun or ammo or explosives that aren't in a public, populated area? Shut up and keep them or shut up and leave them alone. Don't call the cops. The first thing they're gonna do is be suspicious of you.
😂😂😂😂 its true though they learnt a lesson the good for nothing good citizens
@J - Sabre boot licker detected
@J - Sabre Sometimes you don't know you're doing stupid shit until an asshole shows up and gives you a ticket, when he had the opportunity to write a warning. As always, assholes gonna be assholes.
@J - Sabre No gate, no signs, but you expect them to innately believe that belongs to a military base? It wasn't a live-fire range or the equivalent (there's no live-fire areas near highways). I think you're being a little dramatic for the situation.
@J - Sabre Idk maybe the military shouldn't be leaving ordinance filled with toxic propellants in waterways that flow into public aquifers. Removing the hazards and making public the findings is very admirable regardless of its legality.
The way he came in with the "good news is you're not going to jail, as far as I know so far" was such a dck way of entering a situation.
Amazing how the game warden, who is supposed to be there to make sure no one is harming the local wildlife and land, is more concerned with issuing a fine than trying to figure out why hundreds of rounds of ammo and rockets are being just casually thrown into a river.
He can't do that, because the river is federal government property. He has zero justification over it.
@@scoobydoobers23 Yeah, Why didn't the M.P.'S roll up in a Black Sedan & tell the Game Warden to go home, this ain't his jurisdiction, then tell the Fishermen, Thanks for your cooperation, never FISH HERE EVER, you can go now, we'll clean this up. You still here? Beat feet guys, NOW!
it's a military zone, seems obvious how ammo and such got in the water.
Because he's got his homies backs. They are a brotherhood.
Because it's in his job description. All recreational activities fall to the game wardens on military installations. If you are driving through publicly accessible roads on a military installation and you pull over to the side, they can ticket you.
I bet they never call a cop again ever.
When I was in college in New Brunswick New Jersey, my apartment was burglarized and I called cops. They searched my apartment for drugs. Threw mattresses off of beds, dumped contents of all drawers on the floor. They were never called for subsequent break-ins.
Never ever ever call cops for something like that in particular. Never give them permission to search your apartment. It's not going to help with the investigation that they're not going to do anyway, because the vast majority of thefts are never solved or even looked into.
this is the most brunswick cop thing ever
That's why you call the old .38 +p
“Y’all civilians” is all I need to know about how this guy views his position.
The definition of authoritarian.
If only he knew he was a civilian talking to citizens.
he was distinguishing them apart from the MP's, and not meaning any disrespect.
Tacticow.
You can bet these guys will NEVER call in the authorities for help again . Smooth move there game warden……
He lost me with his attitude, but when he made that little comment about always writing a ticket if he gets called out somewhere... There is no finer example of why law enforcement gets a bad wrap.
"...that little comment about always writing a ticket if he gets called out somewhere..."
-- That's not what he said - he was referring to this specific situation.
@@atticstattic ... Except that he did say that. He said if he gets called out somewhere he's not going to *not* write a ticket.
@@mikeexits
Except, that's *not* what he said - he didn't say "somewhere" he said *"here"* ; he's referring to the specifics of the present situation given the rules of the base.
@@atticstattic You don't know that. For all you know, his personal policy could be exactly what I said, but even if it wasn't, the idea that he will ticket someone for no better reason than because he was called out, even if it's only to a specific location, is enough to disqualify him from the job. Lord only knows how many bogus tickets he's written just because of his attitude.
@@AngelArm1110
Except that no one is even getting "what he said" correct.
This GW took the situation _very_ seriously and was well within the scope of his position to do so.
The Game Warden arrived on the scene with hostility. Every officer who showed up prior was cool, he came in hot for no reason, only had a fraction of the info and already had his mind made up before he even got there.
A trend I noticed in these videos is it's usually the chubby officers that are the most irritable.
Because he had to run some stupid kids off of a military base. I would be mad too.
Perfect video to show younger game wardens how not to act when dealing with members of the public. Guy's wife probably ain't gave him any in years.
Weird military bases you have over there, here in Sweden we have fences and signs around them. Figured the military budget could maybe cover that.
He could have been a little less hostile yes but it did not carry through the whole interaction. Given the situation he acted accordingly imo. I think his approached showed that what they were doing wasn't just something as simple as cleaning up although that's what they intended to do.
No good deed goes unpunished! This is exactly why people don't want to help anyone, the good guy will be the one in trouble!
Yep, and PIGS wonder why the public are reluctant to help them!
This guys is literally every game warden on every military base. Every military member knows if a game warden shows up on post they're going to find a reason to ticket you. A civilian couldn't possibly have predicted this. That game warden was a dick for no reason.
Sounds like the position of “game wardens” needs to be readdressed/retrained/restructured from those well above that position.
Game wardens deal with stupid shit like this all the time. You don't fucking fish on a military base.
@@Dtr146 bullshit, we used to fish off the pier all the time, right next to the boat
@@Dtr146 why are you so hostile lol
@@Dtr146 There's great fishing on post, I do it regularly, but I have a license and know what to expect if the warden rolls up on me.
"It's like finding 10lbs of weed, you just leave that shit alone"
Did the cop literally just say "see something, ignore it entirely and go about your everyday business"
There's never a situation that a cop can't make worse
@@anamoose461 facts
Honestly, that line rt there explains why he's so hostile. He's pissed off bc he had to get off his lazy ass & do some work, while on the clock. He said if he had to "come out here" he was writing a ticket no matter what (as if going outside is expecting too much out of a DNR/Forest Services Agent). Even if its the mayor or governor. Which we all know is a blatant lie.
He's gotten soo lazy that if someone found a 10 lb brick of weed or coke, & tried doing the (so-called) "right" thing & reporting it. The sheer _audacity_ of making him do ANY effort, whatsoever, & he's going to charge the good Samaritan w/ every potential charge possible - out of pettiness & retaliation. Yur right, this guy has no business in a position of authority. He shouldn't be working at any job if this video is any indicator
In fact, I believe it's against the law to not report a crime.. So he's a moron.
@@reallue The ONLY way his B.S. would float on the drugs would be if one BOUGHT drugs and then called the cops. A woman wanted to bust drug dealers in her neighborhood, so she bought some drugs from one of them and then called the cops. THEY ARRESTED HER! And didn't even check out the drug dealers.
That MP looked dumbfounded that those guys were getting cited for cleaning up a river. Sad world we live in today by getting punished for doing good deeds. These men were acting in good faith, clearly the warden was pissed because he had to actually work for a change.
I wish he would have told them to ask him to testify on their behalf.
Being prior military, I'm surprised the MPs weren't trying to cite them
MP operate unlike any other law enforcement agency. The black and white or right or wrong, whereas other leos live and die in the gray area of the law.
The world is fine. It’s only in the U S of A where stuff like this happens.
@@sloaiza81 how exactly would you know that?
The game warden completely changed the dynamic of the situation. He knew before he even pulled up that he was about to ruin these guys day, he didn't evaluate anything on the ground before coming to a conclusion on what to do. Re-training is needed I think.
Exactly. He literally said 'There is no way I was not issuing some citation the moment I got called out here.'.
This guy literally thought "why are these guys finding stuff on my river without asking me permission. And unlike the other cops who had zero attitude initially, they came up, talked to them first, before making any judgements. The warden made his mind up he was going to give them a citation no matter what as soon as he got the call.
Those guys are the type that give cops a bad name. They just love ruining people's day, and exerting their power.
Likely heard the word 'youtuber' and decided immediately he would throw the book at them. I mean, not just one citation, but three, three citations is beyond excessive. I might be more on the fence with the guy if he had issued some 15 dollar fine just to give them the hint not to do it again, but three citations, that is just pure rage citation-ing
You can't "train" the stupid out of people. Ever heard the statement "you can't fix stupid"? That certainly applies here. The only solution is not to hire clowns in the first place.
He doesn't need retraining. He needs re-employment
@@justincredubil do you want to encounter this absolute specimen anywhere at any time for any reason? I surely do not. What a miserable SOB
He does exactly what he is trained to do, control the population, they are the last ones to worry about Rights, or the Constitution they swore to.
the only person who has ever equated robbing a bank as the same level of criminality as cleaning up a river
he also used a bag of weed as an example if you didn't like the bank robbing example
@@jason200912 I was confused at that also. He insinuated, if you find drugs on the side of the road and inform the police to take custody of the drugs, you would be prosecuted for possession of illegal substances.
@Robert Higgins yeah very confusing, makes no sense. He seems like someone who has a hard time controlling emotions and ego. That claim he made just isn’t true. Down here in Florida it’s a possibility of finding a bundle of cocaine or weed while out fishing off shore in south Florida. I know a few people who have found bundles and they called into the coast guard/ local law enforcement and they just come out and get it and thank you for calling them for it.
Once he said that he lost me. I was in agreement that yes it could have been dangerous and wasn't safe to pull something, you don't know what will explode... But they called before and after. So wtf cop games guy.
I *wish* he was the only person, but I'm sure other cops have done it before.
I was an MP at Fort Stewart and I can't believe that this guy is still there. He has always had an attitude when talking to people.
@P Shali Yeah, why does it seem corruption mostly rises to the top? Good men just stand around and do nothing?
Because the old fart can't do anything else.
@@5jjt The good ones get pushed out, anyone standing by and doing nothing is not a good one.
@P Shali Shut up.
@@JamCliche Bystander effect, literally anybody would be standing and doing nothing. Everybody hopes that somebody ELSE will fix it.
Never call authorities for any reason! They are not our friends!
"If I come out here, there is no way I'm not writing a ticket..."
Seems like a presumption of guilt...
I would definitely use that statement in the courtroom.
The video will be golden in court…
Even though this is just a ticket, the video shows that the officers even acknowledge there was zero criminal intent behind their actions. Everything they did was with good intentions. They were attempting to cleanup the environment. They contacted who they thought were proper authorities for permission. They avoided areas marked “No Fishing”. THEY called law enforcement to the scene when they located what they believed to be hazardous items. The Game Warden was the only LEO there who was “out in left field” with his reactions. Hopefully, the Judge will see the totality of the circumstances (and this video) and rule in favor of these young men.
The Game Warden is just less than he always wanted to be. Badge heavy and out to impress his authority on anyone and everyone.
That game warden was an absolute jerk. Sure did learn my lesson about calling the cops.
NEVER call the cops, they are NOT there to help you ! If I was walking in a city park and see a body, I just keep on walking.
Always shoot the cops in the leg
@@jaywalker712 You are so right. A couple of years ago, I found a wet envelope in a park with a refund check in it for someone in the neighborhood. I went to the police station on one end of the park to hand it in so it would get to the proper owner of it and was given the third degree over why I had it....go figure, try to do the right thing and get interrogated over it.
Exactly.... I'll be sure to never report illegal hunting of any kind if I should happen to find a deer in the back of my vehicle.
@@jlm3303 Bruhh xD
He's the kind of guy that if your car was on fire and you pulled over he would write you a ticket for an unauthorised bonfire and then tell you to get back into your car.
😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
SMH .. too many Rambo's and not enough law enforcement officers to protect and serve.
@@darylhudson777 Wasn't Rambo actually persecuted by LE officers?
Hahahah😂😂😂
You forgot to give the MP's a A+ as they were actually pretty chill with the whole thing
Yeah you'd think since the cop was saying it was on military property the MP's could have given them a pass since the cop has no jurisdiction on base property.
Very unfriendly and awful demeaner from the game warden. He took what could of been a teachable moment into a hostile and nasty interaction. This guy should not be in this position.
It is an armybase, the guy was friendly but firm in his lawenforcement and let the judge make a decision. Dont know what all the snowflakes are crying about.
A lot of GWs are that way
@@greybeard4034 This channel became a cop hater channel it seems. He supports dbags who taunts cops and call people names and don't know the law and exploit people not knowing "public forum doctrine" baiting for a 1Amendment violation. The cop could have been an A- or a B+ while he could have given a warning he's also in every right to fine them and let the judge decide if it should stick.
the game warden might have given them a warning if they didn't have any camera's.
but given the location they were at. he couldn't possibly give them just a warning while on camera. it could be bad for his carreer
Have u ever met a game warden lmfao
Even if this officer is completely right, the fact that he says you shouldn’t call the police if you find drugs just shows the sorry state our police force is in. He’s right that if you report drugs to the police, you can be completely innocent and still be punished in some way. A good samaritan trying to prevent curious kids from overdosing should not be discouraged from helping
He didn't say that...... He said don't call them about the drugs you found in the bank vault you just robbed..... Clean your ears (jk)
@R Hamlet I can't tell if Shayle is being serious or not, since they ended their comment with (jk)...
But this is the exact quote from the video:
7:16 - "That's like robbing a bank and calling the police, or saying, 'Hey, I just found ten pounds of marijuana', ok?"
Anyone who understands spoken English should be able to tell those aren't connected clauses; they're unique events being described.
Also, this entire attitude by cops pisses me off. While there may be the occasional Florida Man who calls 911 because someone stole his crystal meth, no one who has a 10# bag of marijuana in their possession is going to call the police and report they just found a bag of marijuana. No one does that. To treat someone attempting to do the right thing as if they are somehow a criminal does nothing but encourages people to remain silent about criminal activity they've observed, and convinces them that cops are all power-hungry assholes who only want to arrest someone, regardless of whether or not the person being arrested could reasonably be connected to the crime at hand. If pigs want to know why so many people hate them, they need look no farther than that kind of bullshit behavior.
Dopers the world over screech that the war on drugs is a failure and "all drugs must be legalized and regulated. We would never give or sell drugs to children. We can spend the billions in tax revenues on noble causes"
The minute weed was legalized in Colorado ER beds started to fill with toddlers who OD'd on pot edibles left on the table by their worthless parents and guardians
"So what. It's not like they died or anything "
But you said you'd never give any dope to children
"Duh alcohol much worse go after the alcoholics"
So do you now buy government sanctioned dope?
"Hell no the government is only in it for the money I still get the best deal illegally"
@R Hamlet there's nothing wrong with your kids overdosing on pot edibles either it's hilarious
@R Hamlet Did I even imply that following the equals doing the right thing? No. No I didn't.
I love how unhappy that MP looks with the warden.
I thought the MPs were going to be the ones being a A hole
Yeahh, that's the best part. You can tell he's like 'wtf bro'
Certainly not the first time the MP has had to deal with the Game Warden.
@@holedem26 military police actually have accountability and they tend to be younger guys who may go on power trips within their ranks but wouldn’t put it on civilians like regular cops
@@marv34001 that's never been my experience with MPS during my 21 yr Marine Corps career. MPS have always been more than fair and work with us not against us. Never ever had a problem with MPS.
Situations like this frustrate me. Why not just give them a warning? Seems cops always ticket and fine you if possible. I have had three speeding tickets. I have never been given a warning. Besides those three tickets I have a spotless record. One of them I even got a diversion on when I went to court. But I know, if I get pulled over, I will be ticketed. Feels like they just want my money, not to serve and protect.
I mean not speeding is also an option
You know "serve and protect" is just a marketing campaign and means absolutely nothing. I believe it started in San Diego and spread from there. The supreme court has ruled more than once they have no duty to serve nor protect anyone. Don't be bamboozled by marketing BS
Why not just thank them for finding it, so it can be disposed of properly?
In many areas, if not everywhere, police have a quota of tickets they must write every month to bring in revenue. That's why they rarely, if ever, give warnings.
Wow that is insane this officer literally just said if you find drugs just leave it there because if you call the cops then you're going to be a suspect and technically you were in possession of the drugs. That is a twisted mentality I guess the only thing you can do is hope that a child doesn't get into it. And they wonder why people don't want to help police or do the right thing. Despicable.
It's called the "ticket quotum" thought. He is litterly saying: "I have to write a ticket for every crime then arrest you rather"
Since tickets give the department money and if there is a quotum for how much ticket money each officer has to bring in... you get it.
As the warden says: "I get called I have to write a ticket" ...Insted going: "HOW ARROGANT" You can also see it as: "The system forces me to do this, if I don't I lose my job."
Just a theory fyi.. but it could be he is stuck by a ticket quotum or else he gets fired.
Sheeeit if I find drugs I'm keeping them and selling them.
@@kotlolish The game warden has the attitude and look of a dude who has had his position for the last like 20 years. There is no way he would lose his job if he didn't fine these guys lol. Hell, he may be in charge of the department as shitty as that would be.
And if someone find a wallet or bag or.... ??
This cop just wanted to show I am a boss and always right !
He definitely don't get any respect in his home that's why he act like that !!😉
There are many, many people behind bars now because they were in "possession" of someone else's drugs. This is one reason you never ever agree to a search. Not ever.
Lesson learned. Don’t ever call the police no matter what, the cops are not your friends. Cops at all times are trying to catch you doing something they can charge you with. It’s best to never ever have contact with cops and if you absolutely have to limit your exposure as much as possible
I just called the cops the other night on some clown casing backyards. They came and caught the guy breaking into a shed and arrested hi. You're full of $hit.
Exactly.... they should've finished fishing then called the cops anonymous and left out all sitting there for them to find.
This can never be emphasized enough. Too many law enforcement officers are looking to write a citation - not to help you. They are preprogrammed to find ways to write citations vs. more logical modes of operation like keeping the peace'.
Land of the fees, home of the slaves…don’t call master.
Thankfully you didn't learn that the hard way, I haven't interacted with a pig in 6 years and am extremely thankful for that.
Lieutenant Game Warden later on…
“Why does this community consistently create grass root efforts to vote down our issues??”
"I understand yall called and everything, that would be like robbing a bank, then call the cops, hey I found ten pounds of marijuana, yall been better leaving that shit down there" Copsplaining Southern Fried Edition. Smh.. cops lol smh
“It’s like robbing a bank”
Game Warden must’ve been thinking about those fines when he said that
They didn’t steal anything!!!!!!
@@debbieschultz9768 no but the game warden was trying to steal their money lol
It’s crazy how they expect you to know all these laws yet will also be mad if you did. How are you meant to trust such an institution.
More so. The fact there was no way for them to know the river was “closed”. By the game warden’s own words they couldn’t have known. But “ignorance of a law, is no excuse for breaking the law” however the Supreme Court has established that a law enforcement officer has no obligation to be right about a law they “reasonably” believe to be correct. Meaning you have to be trained to enforce the law for it to be permissible to not know the law.
@@djphly that last sentence made me laugh. It's so true though.
Damned if you know, damned if you don't
"institution"
You spelled "organized criminal gang" wrong.
You're not. So don't trust them ever.
They have two jobs:
1. Find any way to incarcerate you in a private for profit prison to use you as slave labor.
2. Extort you for state revenue. (Many states balance their budgets based on expected fine revenue)
Nothing more. Nothing less.
Go into every law enforcement interaction, including those in which you call them for "service", with this in mind and you'll be better off.
The military cop was cool. This reminds me of when I got cited for driving an RC car in a public park without damaging any property whatsoever while they allow junkies to shoot up drugs at the same park and do nothing
Upvoted, but I'll point out the junkies aren't harming anyone or damaging anything about more than you were.
Id assume used needles on the ground in a park do more harm than an rc car
@@bjjsdshepard1 some junkies might be doing that, and some alcohol drinkers are just breaking glass bottles everywhere etc, but most of them aren't. There's jerks everywhere.
@@aarontooth so wrong.
It's about how easy the money is to get out of you, they would struggle to get money out of a junkie.
Imagine finding a weird bag of rockets, and then the military is like we gonna right you tickets instead of thanks guys we are going to take this investigation from here. The first military guy seemed more interested in learning about the bag and why it was there than the last guy who was only thinking about writing tickets.
"That's like robbing a bank and then calling the police."
I just have no words.
I would have been done with that warden as soon as he made that comment 🤷♂️
Yeah... It certainly isn't
Yeah, i don't know how this analogy crossed this wardens mind.
As far as i could see, all findings have been presented to the MP before this warden showed up.
Nothing has been stolen. Just mind boggling.
That's the exact point I would've lost it as well. What a derpy analogy.
At that moment i would’ve told him he is not competent enough to resolve this call and that I need a supervisor.
"Policing" is the only career where the employees actively seek to destroy their own profession.
they know they’re immune due to the army of thin-blue-line-sticker owning boot lickers
And have qualified immunity to not suffer any consequences
Perfectly said. Stealing this...
And everyone else's first.
The fuel industry is catching up.
This is what happens when a miserable human being gets some power. He should be fired, he has no business dealing with the public. When he said "don't come to court arguing", that pretty much sums up his ignorance. The only reason they would SHOW UP to court is to argue that the citations be dismissed... That guy is a clown.
I hope you don't mind me discussing what I saw differently: I didn't interpret the "don't come to court arguing" comment in the same way. My understanding was that he was offering advice to not be argumentative, as in verbally combative. My experience is that courts holding hearings for infractions are often like flea markets--with defendants showing up merely to ask for discounts and judges looking at cursory facts (such as the fact that the defendant was cited for reporting a problem to be corrected) and offering reduced sentences just to avoid having to take the time of hearing arguments. If the game warden was trying to express the idea of showing up and being polite, maybe he had the citizen's well-being in mind. It's conceivable he gets a lot of calls for people doing stupid stuff on the fort's land, and perhaps he's taking criticism or not forgiven himself for being too permissive previously with the result that someone else got hurt. A lot of his communication was outright not helpful, but I never reached a point of concluding his motives were wrong...I couldn't make that diagnosis. It does seem most likely, though, he resented his own job duty of going out there and was punishing them for purely bad reasons.
Lol. The name "Brent" just says it all
He's keeping his department funded. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if he is/was commemorated for behavior like this.
It always frustrated me when an officer "helps you out", such as his court advice or writing "cooperative & polite" on the back of a ticket he didn't have to write in the first place. "Yall shoulda just left the s&%t down there" says it all.
@@6dmiller He was running his mouth as far as the court. Respectful inquiries are NOT being argumentive. Did you NOT hear the warden say that if he comes out on a call he's writing a ticket(s)?? BUT I don't think his "motives" were wrong, just his attitude. He didn't "hate to tell you fellas, sorry but I've got to ticket you....." Everyone else was cool but him.
@† Aaaaand you're silly. 😐
Something that always sticks in my head everytime I get a ticket or a law enforcement official is just dead set on giving me a ticket, is the thought that city's, counties, states and the federal government are not in the business of making money, but the business of collecting money. Hence why the DNR officer will always write a ticket, when he is called out.
Some cops just can't help themselves. He could have issued a warning to citizens that were trying to improve their environment, but he had to come in swinging his ticket book.
He's probably pissed that he got called out and had todo his job. He probably sits all down in air conditioning doing nothing.
Profit for the crooked government he works for, America is in desperate need for another civil war
@@deksburof4992 then he would have did good if he didn't come out on this call.
Or just let em do it. I'm tired of unnecessary regulations.
@@kritsadventures The complexity of the laws here is the result of multiple jurisdictions and I completely agree that understanding them to the lay person is unreasonable. However letting them carry on could mean they encountered unstable ammunition that could hurt them and anyone driving past at the time.
This is just sad. Imagine having a hobby you love that helps your community and helps protect local ecosystems and then a Game Warden just scoffs at the idea and says you're lucky he doesn't arrest you for stealing army property. It's just pathetic that he had that mindset considering they willingly forfeited their findings. So many people would attempt to hold on to military items. These guys try their hardest to abide by all laws and regulations wherever they go. I can only hope the judge sees the absurdity of these charges.
Imho this type of enforcement is just an effort to keep the environmental horror show that is the average US military base out of the public eye.
I mean the warden himself, told them outright if they find something illegal just keep it and don't tell anyone, speaks volumes to his character.
So pretty much the Warden wouldn't mind living in a dirty environment. Makes sense considering his bitchy atttitude and five year old brain
Cleaning garbage? That's a caning.
Prince Charles making a bunch of plastic cow-burp harvesters, that's cool...
The "green" movement is a scam.
@@innocentbystander3317 Oh it TOTALLY is at least in the respect it's being addressed. Main goal seems to be a money grab and shift in political power.
Complete disrespect and excessive action by this extremely hostile and egotistical warden. This could have easily been solved by granting a verbal/written warning, as they were unaware of the laws and regulations in that area, and were clearly not there to break any laws and cause problems. They called and treated the warden with respect. I understand they can go to court to fight the tickets but that shouldn’t have to be the solution here.
Laws are meant to ensure social order and discourage unwanted activities - and these guys were doing good natured activities, and reported dangerous materials that should NEVER have been dumped in a river to begin with. To be punished for laws they weren't aware of is contrary to the premise of the laws. He's establishing that if something isn't right, you shouldn't get involved, and if you do something that you arent certain the legality of, dont ask the government if its okay - meaning continue breaking the law in intentional ignorance for fear of the consequences that come with trying to be transperant. I'll bet you that warden, if he has kids, they dont talk to him for the same reasons.
Well, he's not abusing his power at least and everything done was within his authority, so I personally have no complaints. Plus that's how it's always done, you fight your citations, tickets, or any complaints against a cop in the courts, not on the streets.
@Mistik Co Bootlicker
He was pissed he had to actually do something. So since he was miserable he had to make whoever he possibly could miserable.
I've never met a warden who wasn't a bully.
A classic case of how anything can be made illegal purely depending on who arrives and picks a violation out of a hat from overregulation. There was nothing wrong in this case and helping to discover dangerous materials should be encouraged. Instead of attempting to prosecute.
Lt. Holman's behavior is a perfect example of why game wardens are hated worldwide.
I use to want to be one, but as an avid angle who had a lot of run ins, I can't stand them. I got fined 500 dollars one time while cleaning up trash and the fine was completely bozo, plus many other scum bag things they did over the years
@@steveescher1554 - I'll guess he ticketed you for every empty beer can/bottle you picked up. I used to clean up litter. The more litter you clean up, the more it bothers you.
I am a 75-year-old resident of Arkansas. I used to be a sportsman and have friends that are sportsmen. I have never heard of a game warden issuing a warning. Even a small infraction of the law.
@@tscootertom I can't stand them anymore. I never see them getting the guys they should be going after
It's all job security for game wardens! They're validating their own existence by writing most tickets. However, I've lived in 3 different Third World countries, and I know what it looks like to not have law and order, even at this level -- complete destruction of their environment.
"It's the same as robbing a bank and calling the cops afterwards" This was the best one yet. He compared people who made an honest mistake to people who rob banks. He was itching to write a ticket and blow off some steam.
Maybe he has a ticket quota.
I'd say the criminal activity is whoever just dropped a few hundred bucks into a bad and dropped it into the river
What happened was dispatch woke him up from his fishing nap and now he actually had to do some work...
It's more like stopping a bank robbery, calling the cops, and being charged for handling stolen money.
@@JoshBuesching Exactly. You could tell by how raggedy his clothing was and how loose he had his vest on. It was practically falling off his chest.
I bet you could find him sleeping somewhere on the property any day of the week while on duty.
Confirming the fact that no good deed goes unpunished.
Oh yeah it's totally a good deed to be on a military base breaking the law. VIGILANTISM FOR THE WIN!!!!
@@Dtr146 found the bootlicker
@@Dtr146 Apparently, you feel the need to spread the same stupid crap on every thread. It's disgusting.
@@Dtr146 the fact they made the attempt to find out if they were legally allowed to do this, and were told different than the warden and the mps was, and the intentions weren't malicious but instead good natured, isn't a bad thing. They got bad information, and was just trying to clean up the waterways.
@@Dtr146 No Sign, No Crime.
I agree that these guys should have been given warnings. They made a good faith effort to follow a complicated and confusing set of laws, and they called the authorities to make sure that the stuff they found was disposed of properly. All around, they did behave responsibly.
Shout out to the military officer and first officer for being chill.
Everything was fine until the game warden showed up. The MPs didn't seem too bothered.
@@thekidfromiowa They seemed cool AF for real. No arrogance or anything, just two dudes with guns and badges that wanted to see some old rockets somebody from that base very obviously chucked in the river. Lmao
@@joearnold5836 mp's are usually a good bit more humble due to several things including of course the requirements of being a respectful person when your in the military as assholes don't make the cut 80% of the time
@shaw miserix How many run ins with MP's have you had? I was stationed at Ft. Stewart. It was pretty 50/50 between power tripping assholes and laid back dudes. Especially if you were going down the 144 out the back gate. They loved chasing people down doing 2mph over the speed limit down that stretch to Savanah.
@@brittanycriswell379 my uncle is one my grandfather too
Things have seemingly changed since I was an Army MP in the late 80's. We as Federal Law Enforcement Officers, (Yes, MP's are "Federal" law enforcement officers.) We would not have informed or summoned any civilian law enforcement to the scene, nor would we have allowed their intrusion into our investigation. We might allow them to stay as observers only and back up if needed. The MP's on the scene should have informed the Warden of his lack of jurisdiction and continued their investigation. If the Warden disagreed with them, they should have respectfully (yet sternly if necessary) directed the Warden to separate himself from the immediate site of the investigation and from contact with the civilians then called their Patrol Leader to the scene. They then would execute the orders of their commanding officer thereafter. (Trust me, the Warden would have been departing the scene in short order.) Until the Warden arrived, the MP's were handling the situation appropriately and as they were trained. Which is to say professionally and with the demeaner appropriate to the situation. This Warden is the embodiment of an attitude of overbearing, combative, and unwarranted authority that needlessly, and some times dangerously, escalates calm, non combative situations. (Basically "Everything" I was trained not to be.) He is a disgrace to the law enforcement profession and the reason so many people dislike and sometimes despise Police Officers. Basically this Warden is what we Army MP's at the time referred to as a "Jag Off, Shitbird or Dirt bag ". He could best serve the Law Enforcement profession, and the general public he was sworn to protect and serve by retiring.
100%
I thought that too
Where’s his discretion , he’s an embarrassment, the easy ticket cop
So you take the situation as I did the Warden was outside of his jurisdiction, and as such the tickets aren't worth the paper they are wrote on.
20+yr Army brat here, so I am very aware of the power MPs have on Post. There is a reason no one speeds on Post.
UPDATE: at court appearance, all misdemeanor charges were dropped.
Yep, so this Warden cost the state money by issuing 9 tickets when a warning would suffice... but the person really at fault is whatever game office clerk gave these young men bad information about where they could/couldn't magnet fish. Why does the state map of the green zones include federal military base property if it really isn't part of the same jurisdiction?
I think that warden should have been spanked! His "When I come out, I am writing tickets!" attitude is not what a public servant should have. These boys meant well and a verbal warning would have sufficed. I think that guy should be 'retired ' out of his job.
As soon as it was dropped they should have sued for damages. I would just got cause and I would go for his license in the court proceedings plus damages. Loss of time and money.
It’s a holes like this Warden who hide behind protection laws from being sued . I hope he catches tons of grief in his jurisdiction and has to quit .
@@MrTruckerf He’s not a public servant, he’s a federal officer and that’s how most LE act on military bases. That’s why soldiers hate LE on bases
They absolutely wasted their time trying to talk/reason with the Game Warden. He was writing those tickets no matter what.
Just go to Court and try and have them
dismissed.
He writes tickets for 'every call' because he's a lazy slump that doesn't like being bothered to do his job, so he retaliates however he can on whoever he wants.
They probably interrupted his donut, milk and nap time.
His job is to enforce laws. That means writing tickets. His job is not deciding who has a good or excusable reason for violating the law. That's what judges do.
Do you really want to live in a country where law enforcement turns a blind eye whenever they feel like it?
@@jasonlongton1876 It is up to the officers discretion whether to cite someone or not, and that is a part of his job description. These guys had no bad intent, and most officers would just give them a warning if that. And giving someone a warning isn't the same as turning a blind eye lol.
@@jasonlongton1876 then maybe he should KNOW the law if he attempts to "enforce" it.
@@jasonlongton1876 Law Enforcement already has that capability, and it can be abused easily, but I would argue that the authority of discretion is in place ESPECIALLY for scenarios like this one, where there was good faith effort to remain within the law.
Hopefully the judge will do the right, moral and just action, dismissing those tickets... and stripping that game warden of the authority he's been abusing. He can't be trusted to responsibly handle authority over others. Being humbled would be the best thing for him AND the community he SERVES.
Reading the statutes and laws verbatim is a very underated aspect of your channel. You treat the viewers with much respect in doing so. Thank you.
I like how much research is in every videos on every aspect of the laws. Yes I know that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" but imaging doing this kind of research before doing any activity. I'm pretty sure at this point that even breathing outside is illegal
@@N0D0hNuts Fully agree. When even people/authorities involved (MP, GA DNR) don't seem to be fully informed about the laws and regulations, or don't understand them, how do they expect any ordinary citizen to keep track of all this.
If a law applies to an individual and requires ANY amount of research it is a bad law. More complex laws should only applies to specific industries, jobs and so on.
This Game Warden is a perfect example of somebody who has no business holding any position of authority what so ever! Should definitely not have a badge of any kind!
Good ol boy state
He is a world class dirt bag, no doubt he has really screwed many people over for petty reasons throughout his career
Also why he's a game warden and not a real cop. Game wardens aren't held to the higher standards of law enforcement, yet are given far more power to skirt the constitution. Every one I've met has a God complex and been just horrible people.
@@rediscoveringamerica3003 lmao Leo's are just people and the standards they are held to vary wildly, Ive had good and bad encounters with both, this guy is typical of a shitty experince.
Not even a Mall Cop Badge, Tbf he looks like Paul Blarts Grandpa
The warden knew exactly what he was going to do before he even got there.
Lt. Hollmen - upon walking up to the scene and having heard no explanation - says: "The good news is that none of you are going to jail. The bad news is that you all are getting tickets."
This is not a fair minded person. This is a man justifying his paycheck to his employers - and validating his own self-perceived importance to himself.
It was within his discretion to give them a warning - but exercising power won out over better judgement. These are the kind of people who have no business wearing badges.
He did a disservice to the state of Georgia.
Sounds fair to me.. they all could be in cells, or dead. Even worse they could have gotten others that drive by killed by their stupidity. They should be happy all that came out of it was citations and they aren't in a morgue or cell.
@@Grisbane The “treasure hunters” had absolutely no reason to suspect that they would find pounds of live ordinance in a river which is publicly accessible and bears none of the standardized warnings typically found at DoD ordinance dumping grounds. Their conduct was perfectly reasonable, the only reason their actions potentially justified the citation was because the river was technically under federal jurisdiction (again, despite any of the typical signage to that effect) and *not* because the river is a known ordinance dumping ground. Combine those facts with the decision of these people to immediately request assistance from the authorities in properly disposing what they did find, and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to justify this warden exercising his discretion and giving these people a warning rather than a ticket. Your comment suggests negligence that goes well beyond what the circumstances justify
@@Grisbane The judgment of the situation and the need for the tickets should have changed when they explained that they had called and been told about green and red zones and had passed by bridges that were marked. These were not cowboy going just anywhere doing whatever they wanted, but were trying to do it the right way. They knew something was very off because of what they found and called for help because they couldn't very well leave the munitions behind responsibly.
This guy came in already decided that these were a bunch of delinquent punks and his attitude reflects that. He doesn't take into consideration that these guys had incomplete information about the green zones and tried to do their due diligence. Doesn't change anything about anything to him, he stays just as hostile even when these men explain they had maps of where it was supposedly alright for them to do this. That's not recklessness by any measure. That's getting bad/incomplete information from an authority they should have been able to trust. Huge difference, doesn't even register.
A warning went out the window when they continued to fish unexploded ordinance out of the river. As if the first unexploded rocket wasn't warning enough to say "hey maybe this isn't a good idea and we should call someone," they proceeded to fish not 1, not 2 but 86 test rockets out of the river plus other UXO...
@@kpro8908 If you watch the source clip, its clear they expected to find UXO and other military equipment... Besides they removed not 1, not 2 but 86 rockets, not to mention the other UXO BEFORE calling the authorities. The argument that they had "no reason to suspect" what they would find and their conduct was perfectly reasonable goes out the window as soon as the first UXO was pulled from the river and they decided to continue their activities.
They created a public safety hazard and were rightly fined for it... Also the original source video shows them absolutely giddy with excitement over their "finds" and overall poor, negligent handling of UXO.
The cop when he says when you started doing that "magnet crap" shows preJudgement of the officers personal dislike for the outdoor activity & shows his prejudice in enforcement of said activities illegal or not.
"personal dislike" more like being fed up with having to deal with yet another group of magnet fishers who are lying to themselves about being helpfull even though they only take the cool stuff home and just leave the rusty crap on the river banks.
magnet fishers are fucking rats.
prejidoo
He's just mad that he had to move from his parking spot he usually sits in all day and does f****** nothing while collecting a hundred thousand dollar salary and by the way his pension is going to be $75,000 and he's literally been just sitting in the woods doing nothing this whole career f****** game more than a******
ooo mr lawyer on the case
He was probably just pissed he had to leave his comfy air conditioned office to go deal with this and decided to take it out on the guys by punishing them as harshly as he was able.
Should not have called anyone. That game warden is a piece of garbage. He had to stop eating his apple pie and drive out there and he was going to teach some “civilians” to f- with his pie time.
The Military Officer looks so uncomfortable while the game warden is spouting his nonsense 😂
He was so chill with the magnet fishers at first and then he just 👀🧍🏼👀
Never a situation that can’t be made worse by police and the government
They are 'escalators' because they love the adrenaline rush of confrontation and the power trip that goes along with it.
So sick of that anti government crap. You drank the Reagan Era gop crap kool-aid bullshit
Ikr
@@trog.lodyte Yep, true Psychopaths!
@P Shali Shut up.
The wardens sole job is to write tickets and generate revenue. No justice was served that day.
@Aluzky Fed, Fed, Fed
I understand that the U.S. education system is in shambles, but seeing as you have the entire human history and knowledge at your finger tips it's no excuse to be a moron.
"I'm not hostile," the warden says, but in fact he was hostile and condescending. Like many law enforcement officials, he failed to use discretion.
committing a crime: “you’re going to jail”
relaxing, minding ones
own business: “you’re going to jail”
Being a good samaritan cleaning
up the environment: “you’re going to jail”
Sometimes, in cases like this, a judge will toss out the ticket and tell the person that did the good deed to check with the local authorities. Hopefully this man take this to court. That cop could have easily warned him and that would have likely been the end of it.
My first thought exactly. Any level-headed judge is going to immediately throw at least 2 of the 3 tickets out, if not all of them outright. There's barely even a case for "criminal negligence" on their end, let alone malicious intent. They contacted no less than 4 different state and federal authorities to try to stay on the right side of the law; these guys are obviously not the kinds of people that these laws were designed to punish.
nah this aint better call saul mane they aint lookin at shit or caring
You didn’t catch it, it was the mp’s that called for the fish cop to issue the tickets
Most will side with the officers. Then you are stuck with paying court cost . That’s why most people jus pay the ticket.
That’s why you just don’t report shit granted they have that all on video but if you just did this for kicks just don’t report it and save everyone the trouble, had they just taken the stuff and gone no one would have known and collectors would probably pay decently for some of that stuff if it was cleaned up, if nothing else take it all out to the middle of nowhere and burn it/ destroy it.
That's so BS. Im in the Army and I have no clue how they expect civilians to get a hand on the SOP rules. It's even a more major issue that they let ammunition float down river away from the gated base.
When I was at Bragg I had no idea of all the SOP. No one does.
Getting the SOP, Regulation and Laws is extremely easy considering they are all online and a simple phone call to ask a question could keep you out of trouble.
@@keith4276 they did call but the state failed to inform them of the federal regulations. If you are a civilian, most likely you won't know what a SOP even is. Many have the mindset of what happens on a military base stays on a military base, they don't expect an entire river to be owned by them. This is the reason why signs exist and why the fence around the base is covered in "no trespassing" signs.
Same way anyone can get a copy of AR 670-1 or AR 600-20 or FM 7-20 without a CAC... it's literally a publicly released non-classified document that can be found with a simple Google search. A better question would be how they expect civilians to know WHICH regulations and/or policy letters to look up.
BTW... I'm an Army vet. IDK what kind of ass backward fucktard unit you're in to not know something that a curious 11 year old can figure out, but I HIGHLY recommend finding some time to sit down with your first line/rater and get some professional development in.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- they were in the training area of base that has two state roads going through them. Civilian or not, a person required to know the laws of the area they are in. Ignorance is not an excuse.
“Oh i thought you were debating” just shows he was looking for conflict the entire time. Its sad you can get ticketed for cleaning the environment
exactly
It's a military base dude..... Jesus Christ.
@@Dtr146 Is being calm, polite and cultural forbidden in areas under power of US military?
@@Dtr146 Which makes it OUR property, dude.
@@Dtr146 so what? You copsucking statists are killing American freedom.
Its actually like finding the bank robbers guns and stolen money and reporting it to the police.
“There’s no power like a little power.” Heard that along time ago and it resonated with me because of experiences like this.
Oh man, that's a great one
And that little bit just makes people want more and more. That's why you never give government any power. Duh.
This is so true on so many levels
They were dumping illegally and they know it.
@@Baman21 Shaddap
I love how he gets off on giving tickets. What a small man. What would make him think they would argue with the judge? The only one arguing is him.
DNR officers are cops who couldn't cut it in a real police force.
@@somedude669 I guess that’s not saying much….
@@somedude669 they are all the same. Like being in the "real police force" is something to brag about lol
I hope the MP goes and testifies on their behalf in court.
No way. Since he was in uniform and on official duty during this interaction him going to court to testify on their behalf would be like the U.S. Army testifying on their side. His superiors would have to clear that first unless he was subpoenaed and the base legal office could not get the subpoena squashed.
No way that mp is probably brainwashed to be just like that warden with his little boy balls all tied up and they would probably threaten or fire him if he did testify
Right they were cool like hey they found some stuff that looks like it was stolen at one point. The dude should of left it to the MPs to decide what to do
lol that warden could execute them and he wouldnt say shit
I like how the military police were just saying thank you and working on getting that stuff disposed of and the civilian game warden comes up with a chip on his shoulder and gives them tickets. I hope they went to court over the tickets
I once volunteered to help out at the local animal shelter... I showed up about 15 minutes late due to a family issue... The lady at the shelter literally started yelling at me for not being "on time" I told her that not only was I late but I was also going to be leaving early to make up for it... Then turned around and got back in my truck.... Some people just think everything revolves around them... can't fix stupid, but I can point and laugh at the results.
Ironic you say as if she’s the one at fault. Don’t volunteer if you can’t show up on time and do the work lmao
@@JoelEmmettMcGarrity perhaps you just deserve to be yelled at or perhaps you just think its normal to disrespect others... LMAO
@@JoelEmmettMcGarrity people are late sometimes it’s part of life grow up.
Now if you were late regularly that’s be different.
@@JoelEmmettMcGarrity
So, this guy volunteered possibly hours of his time, free of charge, to come and help, to then get yelled at?
And him being late because of a family issue is what you take umbrage with?
@@JoelEmmettMcGarrity the type of ken/Karen to yell at a volunteer for being late!!!!
I've met a lot of game wardens and DCNR people when I was younger and I've never met a single one who wouldn't go out of his way to issue citations for whatever they possibly could.
Most game wardens R pricks
Ask me how i know
Idk man. I've met many game wardens in Texas and the only time I've seen a ticket handed out was when someone was genuinely up to no good like trying to keep too many fish, no life jackets, or ignoring length size requirements.
Fish have rights and for the most part I am very grateful that the GWs protect those fish and their rights.
These GWs in this particular video are just major assholes.
Ikr. Something to prove? But seen it too.
Thats crazy have met many in TN that have came up to me and asked nicely how I was doing do I have my fishing license... I say yes they ask me hows the fishing going and usually go on the way. Maybe if you dont do anything wrong then you dont have nothing to worry about. You need to move out of your state into a better one I suppose. Dont come here we are sick of people coming here and ruining it for us hahaha.
That's the whole problem with the A9ministrative state. They create laws so they can issue permits, licenses, citations, registrations etc that fund their job positions. They create, police, and adjudicate unconstitutional laws upon us to keep their jobs. Period. Democrats create jobs by growing the A. State then provide no or wholly inadequate oversight and republicans create jobs by giving cooperation tax breaks. then refuse to break up monopolies. Either way its us citizens that pay.
Man. This game warden is absurd. Thank the young men for pulling out POLLUTION and a bunch of retired weapons out of the river, which were inside a suspicious backpack of sorts, but tell them "thanks but hey you shouldn't be out here so here's a warning." At no point did the warden investigate what they found, where they were at, and what their initial response was. You can tell even the MP was in the dark about his behavior. Discretion should have been used here but instead he makes these young men feel like criminals and even compares them to actual criminals like bank robbers or drug smugglers. He even ADMITS to them "yall just made a mistake" but still gives them the lashing for it despite no harm done to anyone. Trash. Did they break several laws? Yes, but I don't think they knew the full extent of the law.
I get why they dont want civilians doing it in that particular area due to they probably know there is unexploded stuff in the water.
I understand that they broke several legislations or laws or whatever, what was concerning is the Military are trying really hard to cover up how they are polluting the water. The warden was a dick and could of handled things a lot nicer, he certainly had no discretion , he's just a crumpy old man waiting for retirement.
This is exactly why there needs to be clearly posted signage around restricted areas.
sad state of affairs when citizens get in trouble for trying to conserve our natural habitats. The military should be dredging these rivers, there probably a metric fuckton of unused munitions in that river, slowly degrading
@@gumsterify I am with you on that one, why does the military get away with this kind of pollution I am sure it is against the laww.
I good deed goes unpunished. This is unbelievable. 😢
This officer is absolutely fishing to get his ticket quota. What a total piece of work.
I'm sure he didn't have a permit for his fishing expedition either, lol!
The main thing this game warden accomplished is driving home the idea that doing the right thing will get you punished.
"You guys are decent people that made a mistake." Shouldn't mistakes be solved by education and not punishment?
The state needs the ticket money though, they’ve gotta meet that quota!
If all you have to send out for a call is a cop, you will only get a cop response. If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like nail.
Our judicial system has completely abandoned anything close to reasonable at this point.
They have made any personal or human "legitimate" mistake an infraction of their corrupt system.
Every mistake you can make will be met with tyranny, period!
They call this country and it citizens free?
HA HA HA MY ASS!
All one has to do is make a harmless mistake and you will be met with a tyrant like this clown.
And you really think he ever gave a ticket to someone above his authority ?
Fu*kin' liar
He obviously needs to make money somehow. Its a shame for sure.
@@THEREALSEVEN you are correct. officer do have qouta to meet. I was shocked with first learned that fact in the late 90's. My stepfather at that time had a police scanner from radio shack and he intercepted a message from the local police department regarding a topic of police quota.
Just a little update on this case. All three gentlemen had all three of their tickets each dismissed.
"It's like finding a bag of Marijuana and calling the police, you're better off just leaving it"
WHAT?! How is finding something and telling authorities you found something that might be harmful or illegal worth a fine or jail? Would they rather people just up and leave with it? Make it make sense!
Keep everything discret and secret like the govt.
It’s always a toss up when you call the police. It’s better to not get them involved in anything.
Because police aren’t in it for us, not in it to actually protect and serve several Supreme Court cases where police have testified against that slogan to relieve themselves of liability and it passed the Supreme Court. they are only in it for themselves and that’s by long and far the majority. Anyone that claims otherwise is politically motivated to say so. Truth is much more grim than some people would like to accept.
"Hi, police, I found this bomb."
You're under arrest for illegal possession of explosives.
Possession? What he didn't say is leaving it there and then calling when it comes to the weed. It was kind of a bad example but it still works in this situation kind of. They weren't even supposed to be out of their car to begin with it's a travel only road.
The fact that the "bomb squad" said call 911 when there were EXPLOSIVE materials says a lot about that department.
"What? You found a backpack with bombs in it? Sorry please call 911, we have no idea what to do with that." - Bomb squad.
The reason for that was probably because they called the local civilian bomb squad and told them their location. They were on military grounds so they needed to get the military police bomb squad. Fastest way to do that was most likely through a 911 call. I bet the bomb squad these guys called also contacted the military police immediately after that call
Once again, just another incident to reinforce a growing public sentiment, that you are better off not calling the authorities, regardless of your genuine law-abiding goodwill. As for the motivation, as expressed by this officer, is to justify their job, by robbing you, by means of issuing fines for whatever reason they can fabricate.
Because People don't the law, neither does any gov agency, people will comply with anything an agency says. Learn the Law, No gov agency has any Legal Authority over you nor do they enforce legal laws against you. Look meeee up "Rod Class Trading with the Enemy Act", and "Rod Class The United States Code. Are they real Law or Color of Law"
Military post isn't his jurisdiction, he doesn't have the authority to write them.