Well, that’s actually smart! Anyone developing any product for long usually get blind spots - it is important to let outsiders to give their different perspectives.
@@Anonable bed singers, core xy, Cartesian, delta these are few mechanism that are widely used but there in the world of mechanical engineering there are thousands of other mechanisms. Rack and pinion is one promising mechanism which sadly was used by just one company till date.
Teaching Tech's valuable feedback was crucial to the refinement of Magneto X, thank you for your contribution! The Peopoly team welcomes everyone to try and enjoy the new experiences these upgrades bring😀
Honestly, when this printer was first announced, I thought it was going to be a scam. However, the printer even in its current state is insane! Looking forward to this hitting the market!
I wanted to pre-order one but I had that same feeling that it could be a "scam", or woefully underdeveloped, so I decided not to pre-order. Of course, pre-ordering a K1 Max and suffering issue after issue also made me hesitant on getting burned...again.
@@alfredanil You sure like spamming that in other people's threads with no depth to your explanation. Make your own post, with some well-thought out points and maybe you'll get some traction.
I’ve been testing the machine as well. I’ve been referring to it as “rough around the edges, but a shiny inside”. It has a lot of potential and I’m expecting it to continue being refined until it really shines. Great video Michael.
The core of this machine is build very well and if they could definitely fine tune the user experience and pretty sure once the community gets their hands on the machine they will add more features and help make is even better then it is.
From what I have seen I am way more excited for the potential of these machines than bambu labs. I realize the price is much higher, but the way they embrace open source is so nice. I can't wait for your video. I am really excited for PeoPoly
@@ashers_workshop Dont forget that unlike Bambu Labs things this product doesnt have to phone hope to China to work. You buy it and its yours. Its why right when it was announced I pre-ordered one of these over buying a bambu set up.
I have three things I'm very curious about with this printer, in regards to the linear motors and magnetic rails: 1. Print quality - is it better than everything else out there? Especially in regards to VFA. 2. Noise of printhead moves - is it noticably more quiet than a printer with belts and stepper motors? 3. Can it print faster while maintaining excellent surface quality than other printers on the market? Thanks for the video and all the work you do on the channel!
my guess is it mainly is not affected by movement and temperature, the belts wont wear down nor stretch under heat cause they aren't there this also sounds far more scalable to me, a normal CoreXY printer's max "good" size is about 350mm x 350mm, above that the belts get extremely long and stretch becomes more apparent it also won't build up heat as bad like a stepper motor, because the magnets are spread far over a large area
@@Geoff_Wcnc is much slower than 3d printers though so print head could be more of an issue. Also depending on torque and how well the linear motors are tuned they could easily overshoot
I'm glad that this company actually paid attention to the minor details such as fan noises rather than dealing it after the fact. They're gonna send youtuber a review unit anyway, may as well ask for feedback before it's too late
It's about time that 3D printing used a closed-loop system. The number of reviews I've seen over the years complaining about layer shifts has been crying out for this. The lack of belts is a bonus, because it removes not only a source of resonance, but a cause of failure on many prints especially for newbies due to the wrong tension. I'd like to see ringing tests to see how tightly controlled the closed loop system is. I'd also like some more information about the nature of the closed loop magnetic or optical, and what is its resolution? To properly control ringing, it needs to be much higher resolution than you'd expect, since ringing can be visible even if the ripples are so small they cannot be felt.
As of the most recent version or 2 of Klipper, Adaptive Meshing is now native. It can be done with nothing more than BED_MESH_CALIBRATE ADAPTIVE=1 Kamp is still extremely useful for the purging. Just adjust your start gcode to also have ADAPTIVE=1 for your mesh, then comment out the single line in the Kamp_settings.cfg for the mesh
I've been saving up for my new printer. I was going to build a ballscrew yx and quad z printer, but a linear motor is in the same ballpark of what I needed. Glad to see others getting rid of the belts. I grew up with vertical mills and lathes, and belts have no business being on cnc machines.
Things to test - exactness of corners and print measurements. I use my FDM printers for mechanical prototyping and one-shot parts printing, and these are the toughest things to get sorted when starting with a new printer and filament.
I'm one of the lucky pre-orders. It's been fun and frustrating to watch the development of this printer. I can't wait to get my order. Once I do, I'm installing a Beacon surface scanner and an active enclosure heater. I'm glad there have been such competent beta testers to help iron out the wrinkles.
I‘m in the same boat (in the same benchy?) and yeah, 100%, they might‘ve done their preorder a tad early in their development cycle, like, a little early for their preorder customers‘ comfort. The product page seemed a lot more polished than what they then had at the time. I‘m glad it seems to be working out, tho. I preordered because I trusted peopoly because of their history, and they do slowly seem to work up to a nice product that satisfies that trust.
@@Runoratsu they have admitted that instead of doing a Kickstarter fundraiser they just did a pre-order offering at a slightly discounted price to gather capital to pay for the initial development and fabrication costs. Then they sent out an early test batch to some specific content creators to do beta testing. They also have a discord server that they monitor closely so as to answer questions and listen to concerns of the pre-order and would-be ordering community. It's been interesting to watch the process. Luckily I have other printers on hand to keep my prototyping hunger at bay, otherwise I would have probably canceled my pre-order and bought an available printer and dodged the extensive wait time.
@@parallelsandtangents938 Yeah, same, I have 4 other printers, including my X1C, here, so I‘d rather wait as long as it takes to get this polished than receive something subpar earlier.
The decision they made about the chosen hardware mix is amazing. They took well known stuff in the mix and poured their own new innovations in. Especially that they used well known nozzles and no proprietary stuff
A high speed endurance test would be great :) Like a complicated detailed print that takes a couple of days to print at it's highest speed to see how it holds up. The printer looks amazing, so well designed, neatly wired and seems built like a tank. Guess I'll have to start saving up for one 😁
Its refreshing to see a company listening to reviewers and making positive changes quickly, even just this video makes me want to get one of these over a bamboo.
I’m apart of the beta program as well. I’ve been using it to print very big things such as cosplay helmet. So far this printer is on track to be a great contender!
@@WheatMillington It's really not. 2k for a cutting edge printer that is in the spirit of RepRap and adding to the community and uplifting it instead of being a bad actor really does have a lot of value to a lot of people.
@@Geoff_W being in the spirit of reprap is not a reason to be more expensive, only a reason to be cheaper cause you'd expect the "closed" companies to be the expensive ones for being proprietary on the contrary i understand that the mechanics involved aren't the most straightforward nor cheap, neodymium is pretty expensive and then there's also development time etc.
@@Geoff_W to add on that, it is a reason i cannot recommend anything Prusa, cashing on a 10 year old design, being "open source" doesn't make it worth more than something like a Bambu A1 for example, if it can't deliver the same results
@@BH4x0r Oh sure, yes, I didn't mean to imply it being in the spirit of rep-rap was making it more expensive 🤣👍 I just meant that the fact this IS such a white box component printer (other than the few cutting edge hardware parts), that that is something I and many others see as a good reason to buy this over other printers. It's easier to repair, it's easier to source replacement parts, and it's easier to improve upon. That's all I meant 😁
Hi Michael, I would like to see an episode that focuses on the X/Y linear motors. For example, comparing it's dynamic to a conventional Core XY printer. Or, explaining how the close loop works (why can't it skip steps? Is it because the full step are larger? Does it have some encoder?). That is, focusing on the new motion technology vs reviewing an entire printer.
@@TeachingTech It would be a good few minutes of content to explain how linear encoders work for things like Digital Read Outs (DROs) on industrial machines. Another question, is it a separate optical encoder, or is it a magnetic encoder using the same magnets as the linear motor? Linear optical encoders are more precise, but it's almost certainly not worth the additional cost and complexity when they already have the magnets right there. I also realized some people might not even realize linear encoders exist. So when they hear "encoder" think there's actually a little wheel inside the motor that makes contact with the rails.
@@TeachingTech If klipper supports that functionality, which I doubt. You should test it but I would say there is a reasonable chance that all the encoder will do is send an error to klipper and stop the print right away. If so, I wonder if you could continue the print or if you would need a full restart?
Been waiting for this! You summed up all the positives with the build quality, linear motors and open source development. I'm almost certainly going to buy this printer. Looking forward to your review and thanks for showing some behind the scenes information!
As someone that has unpacked dozens of lab instruments ,I suggest the easiest way to do it is to lie the box on its side and slide the item out of the box. If the item is packed in LDPE foam , sliding it out is really easy. That way you don't destroy the box in the process.
i love that they're using FOSS, unlike some other brands. the physical load and unload buttons are a great idea. if i had the money, i would definetely buy one of these.
Great vid and glad to see Peopoly being so open. Would like to see with the enclosure see how it prints ABS and PC. Some more TPU prints as well. Looking forward to the next video.
Oh man, linear motors are something that have been on my mind for a while for 3dp, but most linear motors are more expensive than a whole premium printer!
Wow! Know what the goals for my next printer are now. Thanks for the overview. Seems like a really great machine, and love the Peopoly is doing open source! I just got a K1 Max a couple of weeks ago for $700 at Microcenter, as it was too good of a price to pass that up. Just rooted it last night, and got KAMP installed. OMG!! What a game changer! I did everything to get my bed as level as I could, and had it within .4mm being parallel on both sides of the build mesh, but could not get a successful first layer for a part I was trying to start before bed. Ended up saying up till 3am rooting the machine, and getting everything installed. Reprinted this morning, and it was a perfect first layer. I was amazed! I'm tired this morning, but it was worth it. KAMP FTW!
This is truly a revolutionary machine in its simplicity. Removing all the turns of belts and pulleys means less maintenance and fewer problems. It would be interesting to see it moves while it prints some pieces. Hope they make smaller linear motor machines in the future :-)
Pick and place machines have been using this motion system for years, it is amazing that they have put this technology onto a 3d printer and managed to make it so small. The accuracy of this motion solution is unrivalled IMO, and a perfect fit for 3d printing. Don’t go near it if you have a pace maker fitted though😊. Awesome video, I have often thought that this is the next gen tech for future printers and it is great to see it happen so soon. I would like to see a speed benchy printed on it but with quality of print being prioritised over overall speed. The pick and place machines I use can reach an almost scary speed when you consider the weight they are moving and the micron precision they place components at so I would imagine this printer can do quality print very fast.
Cnc machines also use that motion system , is not only extremely precise , but is also fast , CNC machines are only "slow" when cutting , otherwise they are lighting fast even if they are moving many kilograms
I preordered one within minutes of first seeing a mention of it online. Was a bit nervous during the last couple weeks since the machine seemed so unfinished and rough around the edges for a very long time, very unlike the X1C during bambulab‘s kickstarter, so I‘m quite happy it seems to be working well now.
Hopefully you are able to do a few videos about this printer to explore some of the technology in depth. Here are some things I would like to see. 1. Other reviewers will cover out of the box experience I am sure, I would like to see an advanced owner point of view, as I think the technology and open-source nature of this printer will attract that sort of buyer. So, first off, calibrate it well (califlower before and after results?) and tune the orca slicer profiles as you see fit. 2. Explore what benefits and drawbacks the motors have. 2a Is there a difference in how noise ramps up with speed? 2b are VFAs still an issue? 2c Do linear motors and lack of belts change the kind of square corner velocity we can run? Cornering sharply without slowing down might be a real benefit if it doesn't lower quality. 2d How do the closed loop motors integrate with Klipper given that klipper can't respond quickly enough to make real time changes if a motor can't get to it's target destination on time. Force it to miss a step, will it correct without telling klipper and leave a small artifact? Will it show a warning in klipper? Will it just throw an error and terminate the print job? 3 will the open source load cell be useful beyond just being a klicky alternative? Can we see the load cell data and do anything with it? 2e Is the increased resolution useful or noticable in every day printing. Does it open up any new possibilities, for example with a tiny nozzle do miniatures come out better than on a normal FDM printer? We are seeing that the limits of speed printing (and speed benchies) are coming down to cooling, but do the motors allow us to print fast at a higher quality than we might with traditional motors? 3a Can the homing and bed leveling macros be sped up, in travel if not in actual z testing? Can you correlate the values from it with PA testing? 4. The cooling setup seems quite robust, more than might be needed for every day print speeds. Can you test out a "silent mode" or something similar to see how noise is at more relaxed printing speeds with slower fan settings?
This is such a cool project, and the name alone, "Magneto", is enough to make me intrigued. Ah yes, and also the vision of a printer that will require less maintenance, without sacrificing quality or speed. From an engineering standpoint, I have a hard time seeing any drawbacks to this architecture, other than the cost. But for print farms and professional applications, paying extra for something that requires less man-hours to keep running, will be a bargain. Keep up the good work!
Really great video, I like the transparency that Peopoly has had with you while troubleshooting some issues, and giving their own solutions to those problems. I think the Magneto X has a lot of potential before release. If there was a higher-temperature hotend for this printer, I think printing in PEEK or other high-performance filaments could be really interesting with the enclosure and 130c bed.
@@colaigor Good point actually, I did remember Vision Miner mentioning something about that in one of their videos. If the chamber was at 50c that might not be an issue for the motors, but would be for printing. Would be interesting to see how the motors behaved in high temperatures.
As pre-orders are closed it's difficult to get too excited over this $3000AUD machine. Fortunately for me I only recently received the newest member to the Bambu lab family... oh that's right. So this machine has a lot of potential. I'm impressed with your efforts in tracing the main source of hum, suggesting to Peopoly how you might address it only to have them respond with a more complete solution. If there were any available and I had ~$3kAUD I'd genuinely consider one.
Would love to see how square the frame is, and what skew_correction tests would show. A pro level printer such as this surely will see engineering filaments and applications. Being perfectly square and having perfectly square prints is vital. A large majority of manufacturers neglect this.
Very awesome of Peopoly to do it this way. I own an X1C myself, and am quite happy with it, but that does not mean that I do not excitedly await what other innovations the 3D world will be introducing. This Magneto X printer is definitely impressive, and I look forward to seeing and hearing more about how well it prints, and how it generally compares to other great new printers out there.
printing nerd during his interview at The First Look mentioned that it is not like the 20.000 USD printers in ua-cam.com/video/9YaW8DIxWTc/v-deo.html. It would be interesting how accurate it is or what the potential is.@@sharpfang
@@sharpfang This isn't accurate at all. Your understanding of how closed-loop motors work and the precision of steps (on open and closed loop motors) is incorrect.
@@sharpfangNo, this is not how it works. It is as accurate as servo control loop can make it. It depends on the encoder resolution, it's noise and rate.
I'd love to see the Beacon bed levelling sensor, shown on the ModBot UA-cam channel, implemented into the design of this. Possibly as an optional extra. It would make so much sense given that this machine seems to have all the best tech and such a large bed. Great video, love to see Peopoly collaborating witch people such as your selves, hope you get to keep your printer after all the hard work.
Linear motors are really cool! Would love more testing of their performance! Are they using standard stepper motor drivers or did they do something special? The focus on open source is also great. Hope everything works out for them :)
I'm glad that someone finally built one of my ideas 💡. I'm not saying that I was the first to have it or even that I spoke with anyone involved, just that I have been wanting to experiment with this design myself for years. I'm hoping that they will do it justice. If done correctly, I think that the linear maglev rail design will be the new gold standard. I would love to see this type of design paired with the helical worm cycloidal extruder.
You're correct of course. My dumb brain 🧠 couldn't remember the nomenclature for the "helical worm cycloidal extruder." So, I just typed orbital as a place holder, because that's what it looks like when it's running...
My main printer is a CR-6Max, and the load cell was the one thing that ruined the printer. Inconsistant probing, and because the print head "floats" under the load cell, it moves during the print. I ended up biting the bullet and replacing the load cell with a fixed mount and CR-touch, and it was a night and day improvement. Ended up with a 400x400 bed slinger that was accurate and stable. I'm willing to bet if you replace the load cell on this printer with a standard probe or one of the touchless probes, so much of the issues around digging into the bed would disappear, and the printer would work so much better, as that seems to be a lot of the noted problems on your test machine. Great video! I love it how you work through everything smoothly and you are so well spoken. And kudos to Peopoly for taking the feedback and improving, and also allowing you to review a pre-production model, warts and all. It shows they listen and are willing to own what they produce, and that is a long term benefit.
Nozzle based probing is infinitely better than anything else. I cant imagine downgrading a printer as severely as moving away from nozzle based probing and to a probe would be. A bad implementation is a bad implementation but domt theow the baby out with the bath water. There are clearly systems that work well, so its not endemic to nozzle based probing.
@@BeefIngot Anything that allows a nozzle to move or flex from its intended position immediately introduces an error margin in the process. There is a reason CNC machines use touchplates, it is to get the location of the tip in a manner that doesn't require the tip to move from its position in any way, shape or form. As soon as you have a nozzle that is built to bend, shift or move from a rigid, fixed position, you have lost accuracy not just in that measurement, but in the repeatability of that measurement, and that is absolutely a downgrade. Using a load cell just to be different is heading down the wrong path. There is a reason that it isn't used on all the other printers, because unless you are paying an absolute fortune for precision machining (which isn't the case with any consumer 3D printer), then movement == bad.
@@dragularum Sure in a meaningless theoretical way. In reality, CNC Mills (3d printers are just a different type of cnc machine) have vastly different constraints. For fff 3d printing, where you are extruding a volume out of the nozzle, the most important thing is knowing how much filament was extruded. This allows you to continuously measure instead of just hope as you cant just take the part over to a cmm machine. Basically, whenever you try to apply cnc mill logic to 3d printers it fails, because one relies on rigid high force removing material, and the other on fast precise placement of material. Very different objectives. TLDR; Nah, Nozzle based is absolutely the superior technique and Im very glad its here to stay. You can keep your dinasour tech over a bad experience if you want. Imagine people still riding horses because the first cars were bad.
I'd love to better understand what is so innovative about the linear motor system. What are its strengths and weaknesses? I'd also like to know about any measures they are taking that bring it more inline with a more appliance/consumer friendly level of 3d printer. Looking forward to seeing more about the innovations they are including. Thanks for the behind the scenes video and your honesty.
I would love to hear your opinion in the full review whether or not this machine would be good in a print farm setting. Thank you for the review and for putting in loads of effort to make this printer great, and a huge thanks to Peopoly for listening and putting in the work to implement the feedback, I hope I can pick one of these up for myself.
This sounds like quite an exciting machien with a good dose of real innovation at a price that is still affordable for those ready to invest a bit more in the hobby (on par with quality parts Voron 2.4)
I like that you quoted acceleration in mm/s/s. The vast majority quote it in mm/s, like a velocity. Does it matter? Well, getting it right makes it easier to understand what it means. “The velocity will increase by this many mm/s for each second elapsed”
It would be great if you can test ringing on this printer. I think that would be one of the most outstanding difference that we can expect form Magneto X
That was so cool! Thanks for posting the video with all these details. I've had my eye on this printer since I saw the same Joel video you mentioned. You really gave them amazing value as a beta tester with those improvements! I'd love to see details on consistency and accuracy, as well as tolerances. I've also heard that they plan to have tool changing as well, so if you can tell us any info on that I'd love to hear it.
+1 for positioning accuracy. I have done some experiments on my stepper-belt 3d printer, and found some 0.1mm-0.2mm of reproducibility error, which is most likely due to belts. I am not sure if these linear motors would improve on that, but they might, and i'd love to see if they do.
Given that one of the main selling points for linear motors is absolute closed loop control, I would really love to see on your test prints if any vertical fine artifacts or other related ringing is completely gone along with layer shifts. Given that the z axis motors are not linear motors, I'm wondering what effect that would have on VFA.
Glad to see they are so receptive to feedback! I will say it's quite pricey. I guess I would hope the linear motors deliver extreme dimensional accuracy or some other advantage over other motion systems. I would like to see that tested.
This is what I love to see!! Embracing open source, giving back to the community, open for mods etc... I think they are definitely better than bambu who literally made everything proprietary and closed source. Super excited for them!
Serious question. What do you honestly see with this printer? Once you get beyond the open source origins and assortment of off the shelf parts what makes it better than a polished (closed)product? It's $2k, the print quality is middling and still in beta testing. damaged build surface @ 10:26, inconsistent probing @ 11: 16, print issue @ 12:10 Every time I see someone champion open source I ask what about it makes them unique. I see an never ending project of variables, parts of various quality and reliance on the "community" to fix issues as most folks do not write code and are following someone else's instructions. Open or closed it matters little. You mentioned Bambu but as far as I know they didnt need the community to finish their printers for them, parts are available and there are wiki, videos on how to disassemble, maintenance and support the machine.
i love everything about this add a second print head / toolchanger and it beats literally everything on the market.. it's cheaper then the XL and better built then anything else
@@a2dskins There's room on the board for expansion, no reason you couldn't add another Y gantry too, the only thing with that is you are sacrificing build volume at that point (although you probably also lose some adding another print head to the same gantry also). Also there's no reason you couldn't just throw another head on the X gantry. You could run an ERCF to both heads and do a color change on one print head while you print with the other.
@@Geoff_W i remember that at that event where they show 3D printers (i forgot how it was called) there was a Magneto X that had something like 5 heads , so yeah , you are right
Something amazing🎉🎉🎉 about this motion system. I had bought linear motors on eBay for this exact purpose about 2-3 years ago. But with the current motors available for the right force. I felt it would be too expensive. But the typical linear motors are not like steppers. And I think these are. Now for the amazing bit. That even these guys have not figured out. With linear motors you get automatic head changes for free. Yes for FREE and as fast and accurate as you can imagine. Since clearly I didn't make the printer. I'm leaving this nugget here for the community. Love this comment if you would like to see such a feature.
Great video like always 👍 for your next video about this printer, I would like to see some VFA, dimensional accuracy, max flow tests. And some input shaper graphs 😊 thanks for your amazing work !
Love the behind the scenes approach to this video! Could you maybe do some testing with softer TPU (around 82A)? Would be really interesting to see how it performs with something as tricky as those kind of filaments. :)
That is a mighty large printer. The only way that I could fit it in (and I fully intend to buy it) would be by accessing it and placing it "sideways" on my bench. It would be great if the screen could be moved, either with an additional print mount or designed to adapt. Also, I have recently received a Bambu X1C, and it runs next to my old Snapmaker A350. These machines are impressive but they all lack a certain thought process for access for disabled users. I don't know what that would look like, but I am finding accessing and tinkering from a wheelchair more and more difficult, rather than moving the positive way. Generally, when this IS considered, it actually creates a better product for all.
I've thought about this, and after wrestling with the filament feed on my Bambu today - something the rest of you could have done in 5 minutes took me over an hour. However if things were more modular, clip on, clip of, socketed, or latched - rather than screwed and fixed, it would make so much difference for all. I'm thinking about the fast module change on the Snapmaker as a good example, and the magnetised front cover on the Bambu print head. There was no need to screw the filament feed to the back of the X1C, it could have been clip in place like the screen (for example). And putting the power button at the back!! Why?
It would be very interesting to see non planar printing, by tilting the print bed. I've seen companies advertise that this is possible with their printer, but they don't have working examples.
This is going to be my next printer, but i would love to see an extra add-on kinda like the expandable AMS system from Bambu and an easy way to switch nozzle size like the A1 series from Bambu. but the whole linear motor with closed loop feedback is super exciting! And that printer has a proper print size for most users! Also KAMP should be a default addon on this printer
I really have high hopes for this printer, I have a awful track record with FDM printers and this looks like it might finally be the one, as a fellow Australian the biggest issue I deal with is humidity up here in QLD sunshine coast. So I would love to see you put this through a print reliability test with old or "wet" filaments as well as just a general day to day reliability of prints. Really all I want is a reliable work horse like my Peopoly Phenom Prime resin printer. Great video btw really put the magneto through its paces for us.
I am so much looking forward to they restock :-D i am a industrial technician and i worked on a laser cnc with linear servos, and looking at that huge mashine moving 1200mm/s okay that was from corner to corner, but we are talking Vez3d printer for the same speeds, i have never seen anything like it.
Yours is the 3rd video Ive watched on this printer. It SEEMS like a hell of a good direction, but not something I see, at least right now, as an innovation that the average user can easily delve in to while building a custom rig. Ide love to see where this goes though! As for testing, other have seen a lot of "noise" in prints that seem to be appearing at the same frequency as the linear motor magnets are placed. I KINDA think this could be turned out by relaxing the moters a little. As for price... compare this to a similar printer. Ive been looking at building a RatRig. The fully built model isn't much cheaper than this $2000 price tag. So, sure, its expensive! But its nothing out of what should be expected. Especially for something that's implementing tech that no one else has ever thought about! Again, Ide love to see where this goes in the future!!
I’m curious to see how close it can print parts. Can it print non-planar? Can it print moving parts in place with a narrow tolerance reliably? How accurate are the prints? I would love to see you put this printer through the paces to see just how detailed the prints can get. I’m looking to sell my Prusa and wanted to get a Core XY but wasn’t sure which to choose due to limitations. If this is even better with the refinements I would choose the Magneto X as my next printer. Thank you for sharing the process Michael and showing how responsive Peopoly is to feedback. This was an outstanding collaboration.
The latest klipper has adaptive mesh probing allready to go. Doesn’t have the thick purge though. A decibel test in this would have been great. This looks to be an awesome printer when it eventually gets into production. 👍🇦🇺😊
Seems like a company for makers, will follow it's journey with interest. I'm in South Africa so expect the shipping for a 30kg. machine would be prohibitive. It should have a maglev train shape for the head
This is honestly exactly the sort of machine I'd be looking for if I wasn't so poor, it's got all I would want and more, though I'm sceptical of the wisdom of magnetic tracks right above a headed tool head.
Things I would like to see in a review: - Print quality - Print quality vs speed and how does that compare to other core xy printers like from Bambu Labs and Voron (and others). - Sound - Sound vs speed and how does that compare to other core xy printers like from Bambu Labs and Voron (and others). - Maintenance of linear motors vs. regular core xy setup, how often, how, ease, cost, etc. - Estimated life of the linear motor setup vs traditional belt systems. - Cost of replacement and the ability to repair the linear motor setup. - Energy usage (vs other core xy printers). - Can you use the entire build platform at optimal speeds and quality. - What advantages/disadvantages over a traditional core xy printer. - How well does it print with other (non-Peoppoly) filaments. Looking here specifically at videos of loose filament from spool to rapidly moving printhead.
This seems very promising for the price point, even though it’s expensive it’s very fair for what you get. The enclosure being included would be a plus though
I love that peopoly reached out to the community for testing & input and actual feedback before fulling releasing this out
It’s cool someone from peopoly ended up in our diy electric skateboard forum to document a gear drive build. It wasn’t a shill corporate gimmick.
It's a disastrous design for heaven's sake.
@@alfredanil at least it’s not another bed slinger. Do you more bed slingers, bc this is how you get bed slingers.
Well, that’s actually smart! Anyone developing any product for long usually get blind spots - it is important to let outsiders to give their different perspectives.
@@Anonable bed singers, core xy, Cartesian, delta these are few mechanism that are widely used but there in the world of mechanical engineering there are thousands of other mechanisms. Rack and pinion is one promising mechanism which sadly was used by just one company till date.
Dang, Teaching Tech giving a shoutout to KAMP totally made my day. Thank you for the kind words Michael! I’m so glad you enjoy it. ❤
I'm disappointed it took me so long to try it and I'll be adding it to my other klipper printers. Thanks for your excellent work.
I install klipper on printers that don't specifically need it just to gain access to KAMP. Thanks for the hard work!
@@TeachingTechHi Michael, just a quick question, will klipper run on the Neptune 3 pro? Thanks in advance..
@@Johadart bro, you can literally make every fdm printer run klipper. You'll need a raspberry pi or a pi clone
@kyleisah You're a god amongst men! KAMP is so awesome and yet another reason for me to stick to klipper-based printers.
Teaching Tech's valuable feedback was crucial to the refinement of Magneto X, thank you for your contribution! The Peopoly team welcomes everyone to try and enjoy the new experiences these upgrades bring😀
Hats off for taking a big step into the future with this machine for the prosumer market!
Love this transparency from Peopoly! As an engineer I also love seeing these testing and validation videos.
Peopoly has done some great stuff recently. The peopoly Forge ~ 2 Years ago and now this Printer.
Honestly, when this printer was first announced, I thought it was going to be a scam. However, the printer even in its current state is insane! Looking forward to this hitting the market!
I wanted to pre-order one but I had that same feeling that it could be a "scam", or woefully underdeveloped, so I decided not to pre-order. Of course, pre-ordering a K1 Max and suffering issue after issue also made me hesitant on getting burned...again.
It's still a scam. Major design flaw.
@@alfredanil wdym? sounds like they're still in beta testing
@@alfredanil You sure like spamming that in other people's threads with no depth to your explanation. Make your own post, with some well-thought out points and maybe you'll get some traction.
@@tomsko863 I have repeatedly explained the design flaw in other comments, tired of repeating again. Refer other comments for my answer
I’ve been testing the machine as well. I’ve been referring to it as “rough around the edges, but a shiny inside”. It has a lot of potential and I’m expecting it to continue being refined until it really shines. Great video Michael.
The core of this machine is build very well and if they could definitely fine tune the user experience and pretty sure once the community gets their hands on the machine they will add more features and help make is even better then it is.
From what I have seen I am way more excited for the potential of these machines than bambu labs. I realize the price is much higher, but the way they embrace open source is so nice. I can't wait for your video. I am really excited for PeoPoly
Wheres the video? I dont believe till i see it
@@ashers_workshop Dont forget that unlike Bambu Labs things this product doesnt have to phone hope to China to work. You buy it and its yours. Its why right when it was announced I pre-ordered one of these over buying a bambu set up.
I have three things I'm very curious about with this printer, in regards to the linear motors and magnetic rails:
1. Print quality - is it better than everything else out there? Especially in regards to VFA.
2. Noise of printhead moves - is it noticably more quiet than a printer with belts and stepper motors?
3. Can it print faster while maintaining excellent surface quality than other printers on the market?
Thanks for the video and all the work you do on the channel!
my guess is it mainly is not affected by movement and temperature, the belts wont wear down nor stretch under heat cause they aren't there
this also sounds far more scalable to me, a normal CoreXY printer's max "good" size is about 350mm x 350mm, above that the belts get extremely long and stretch becomes more apparent
it also won't build up heat as bad like a stepper motor, because the magnets are spread far over a large area
@@BH4x0r The weight of the linear motor on the X Gantry might still be an issue
@@dasjulian3 Nah, these are used in CNC machines, the weight of this print head is nothing by comparison.
@dasjulian3 the beta team has been testing this as well.
@@Geoff_Wcnc is much slower than 3d printers though so print head could be more of an issue. Also depending on torque and how well the linear motors are tuned they could easily overshoot
I'm glad that this company actually paid attention to the minor details such as fan noises rather than dealing it after the fact. They're gonna send youtuber a review unit anyway, may as well ask for feedback before it's too late
It's about time that 3D printing used a closed-loop system. The number of reviews I've seen over the years complaining about layer shifts has been crying out for this. The lack of belts is a bonus, because it removes not only a source of resonance, but a cause of failure on many prints especially for newbies due to the wrong tension.
I'd like to see ringing tests to see how tightly controlled the closed loop system is. I'd also like some more information about the nature of the closed loop magnetic or optical, and what is its resolution? To properly control ringing, it needs to be much higher resolution than you'd expect, since ringing can be visible even if the ripples are so small they cannot be felt.
As of the most recent version or 2 of Klipper, Adaptive Meshing is now native. It can be done with nothing more than BED_MESH_CALIBRATE ADAPTIVE=1
Kamp is still extremely useful for the purging. Just adjust your start gcode to also have ADAPTIVE=1 for your mesh, then comment out the single line in the Kamp_settings.cfg for the mesh
Thank you TT, they asked the right person for the job. You are always thorough, that is why I like your videos!
I would like to see an extensive testing of the motion system
I've been saving up for my new printer. I was going to build a ballscrew yx and quad z printer, but a linear motor is in the same ballpark of what I needed. Glad to see others getting rid of the belts. I grew up with vertical mills and lathes, and belts have no business being on cnc machines.
Things to test - exactness of corners and print measurements. I use my FDM printers for mechanical prototyping and one-shot parts printing, and these are the toughest things to get sorted when starting with a new printer and filament.
I'm one of the lucky pre-orders. It's been fun and frustrating to watch the development of this printer. I can't wait to get my order. Once I do, I'm installing a Beacon surface scanner and an active enclosure heater. I'm glad there have been such competent beta testers to help iron out the wrinkles.
I‘m in the same boat (in the same benchy?) and yeah, 100%, they might‘ve done their preorder a tad early in their development cycle, like, a little early for their preorder customers‘ comfort. The product page seemed a lot more polished than what they then had at the time.
I‘m glad it seems to be working out, tho. I preordered because I trusted peopoly because of their history, and they do slowly seem to work up to a nice product that satisfies that trust.
@@Runoratsu they have admitted that instead of doing a Kickstarter fundraiser they just did a pre-order offering at a slightly discounted price to gather capital to pay for the initial development and fabrication costs. Then they sent out an early test batch to some specific content creators to do beta testing. They also have a discord server that they monitor closely so as to answer questions and listen to concerns of the pre-order and would-be ordering community. It's been interesting to watch the process. Luckily I have other printers on hand to keep my prototyping hunger at bay, otherwise I would have probably canceled my pre-order and bought an available printer and dodged the extensive wait time.
@@parallelsandtangents938 Yeah, same, I have 4 other printers, including my X1C, here, so I‘d rather wait as long as it takes to get this polished than receive something subpar earlier.
The decision they made about the chosen hardware mix is amazing. They took well known stuff in the mix and poured their own new innovations in. Especially that they used well known nozzles and no proprietary stuff
A high speed endurance test would be great :) Like a complicated detailed print that takes a couple of days to print at it's highest speed to see how it holds up. The printer looks amazing, so well designed, neatly wired and seems built like a tank. Guess I'll have to start saving up for one 😁
I love diamonds in the rough like this. Kudos to the team behind this for sending it out before everything is fully fixed. 👌
Its refreshing to see a company listening to reviewers and making positive changes quickly, even just this video makes me want to get one of these over a bamboo.
I’m apart of the beta program as well. I’ve been using it to print very big things such as cosplay helmet. So far this printer is on track to be a great contender!
It's one thing to love a USD$2k printer you received for free, it's another thing all together to lay out your own cash for this thing.
@@WheatMillington It's really not. 2k for a cutting edge printer that is in the spirit of RepRap and adding to the community and uplifting it instead of being a bad actor really does have a lot of value to a lot of people.
@@Geoff_W being in the spirit of reprap is not a reason to be more expensive, only a reason to be cheaper cause you'd expect the "closed" companies to be the expensive ones for being proprietary
on the contrary i understand that the mechanics involved aren't the most straightforward nor cheap, neodymium is pretty expensive and then there's also development time etc.
@@Geoff_W to add on that, it is a reason i cannot recommend anything Prusa, cashing on a 10 year old design, being "open source" doesn't make it worth more than something like a Bambu A1 for example, if it can't deliver the same results
@@BH4x0r Oh sure, yes, I didn't mean to imply it being in the spirit of rep-rap was making it more expensive 🤣👍
I just meant that the fact this IS such a white box component printer (other than the few cutting edge hardware parts), that that is something I and many others see as a good reason to buy this over other printers. It's easier to repair, it's easier to source replacement parts, and it's easier to improve upon. That's all I meant 😁
Hi Michael, I would like to see an episode that focuses on the X/Y linear motors. For example, comparing it's dynamic to a conventional Core XY printer. Or, explaining how the close loop works (why can't it skip steps? Is it because the full step are larger? Does it have some encoder?). That is, focusing on the new motion technology vs reviewing an entire printer.
Thanks for your feedback. To answer one of your questions, it has an encoder so should be able to adjust for any step errors.
@@TeachingTech It would be a good few minutes of content to explain how linear encoders work for things like Digital Read Outs (DROs) on industrial machines. Another question, is it a separate optical encoder, or is it a magnetic encoder using the same magnets as the linear motor? Linear optical encoders are more precise, but it's almost certainly not worth the additional cost and complexity when they already have the magnets right there.
I also realized some people might not even realize linear encoders exist. So when they hear "encoder" think there's actually a little wheel inside the motor that makes contact with the rails.
@@arthurmoore9488 It's a magnetic encoder. There are instructions for re-calibrating it when necessary are on the Magneto X wiki.
@@TeachingTech If klipper supports that functionality, which I doubt. You should test it but I would say there is a reasonable chance that all the encoder will do is send an error to klipper and stop the print right away. If so, I wonder if you could continue the print or if you would need a full restart?
Been waiting for this! You summed up all the positives with the build quality, linear motors and open source development. I'm almost certainly going to buy this printer. Looking forward to your review and thanks for showing some behind the scenes information!
As someone that has unpacked dozens of lab instruments ,I suggest the easiest way to do it is to lie the box on its side and slide the item out of the box.
If the item is packed in LDPE foam , sliding it out is really easy.
That way you don't destroy the box in the process.
i love that they're using FOSS, unlike some other brands. the physical load and unload buttons are a great idea.
if i had the money, i would definetely buy one of these.
Great vid and glad to see Peopoly being so open. Would like to see with the enclosure see how it prints ABS and PC. Some more TPU prints as well. Looking forward to the next video.
Oh man, linear motors are something that have been on my mind for a while for 3dp, but most linear motors are more expensive than a whole premium printer!
Wow! Know what the goals for my next printer are now. Thanks for the overview. Seems like a really great machine, and love the Peopoly is doing open source! I just got a K1 Max a couple of weeks ago for $700 at Microcenter, as it was too good of a price to pass that up. Just rooted it last night, and got KAMP installed. OMG!! What a game changer! I did everything to get my bed as level as I could, and had it within .4mm being parallel on both sides of the build mesh, but could not get a successful first layer for a part I was trying to start before bed. Ended up saying up till 3am rooting the machine, and getting everything installed. Reprinted this morning, and it was a perfect first layer. I was amazed! I'm tired this morning, but it was worth it. KAMP FTW!
Thanks
This is truly a revolutionary machine in its simplicity. Removing all the turns of belts and pulleys means less maintenance and fewer problems. It would be interesting to see it moves while it prints some pieces. Hope they make smaller linear motor machines in the future :-)
I'm quite happy to see a company give back with open source, unlike a certain one.
Pick and place machines have been using this motion system for years, it is amazing that they have put this technology onto a 3d printer and managed to make it so small. The accuracy of this motion solution is unrivalled IMO, and a perfect fit for 3d printing. Don’t go near it if you have a pace maker fitted though😊. Awesome video, I have often thought that this is the next gen tech for future printers and it is great to see it happen so soon. I would like to see a speed benchy printed on it but with quality of print being prioritised over overall speed. The pick and place machines I use can reach an almost scary speed when you consider the weight they are moving and the micron precision they place components at so I would imagine this printer can do quality print very fast.
Cnc machines also use that motion system , is not only extremely precise , but is also fast , CNC machines are only "slow" when cutting , otherwise they are lighting fast even if they are moving many kilograms
Looks to be a great machine. Spendy, but looks to be worth the money! Thank you for taking us along.
I preordered one within minutes of first seeing a mention of it online. Was a bit nervous during the last couple weeks since the machine seemed so unfinished and rough around the edges for a very long time, very unlike the X1C during bambulab‘s kickstarter, so I‘m quite happy it seems to be working well now.
I'm excited about the possibility of a printer with the performance of Bambu but without the closed source proprietary ecosystem
Hopefully you are able to do a few videos about this printer to explore some of the technology in depth. Here are some things I would like to see. 1. Other reviewers will cover out of the box experience I am sure, I would like to see an advanced owner point of view, as I think the technology and open-source nature of this printer will attract that sort of buyer. So, first off, calibrate it well (califlower before and after results?) and tune the orca slicer profiles as you see fit. 2. Explore what benefits and drawbacks the motors have. 2a Is there a difference in how noise ramps up with speed? 2b are VFAs still an issue? 2c Do linear motors and lack of belts change the kind of square corner velocity we can run? Cornering sharply without slowing down might be a real benefit if it doesn't lower quality. 2d How do the closed loop motors integrate with Klipper given that klipper can't respond quickly enough to make real time changes if a motor can't get to it's target destination on time. Force it to miss a step, will it correct without telling klipper and leave a small artifact? Will it show a warning in klipper? Will it just throw an error and terminate the print job? 3 will the open source load cell be useful beyond just being a klicky alternative? Can we see the load cell data and do anything with it? 2e Is the increased resolution useful or noticable in every day printing. Does it open up any new possibilities, for example with a tiny nozzle do miniatures come out better than on a normal FDM printer? We are seeing that the limits of speed printing (and speed benchies) are coming down to cooling, but do the motors allow us to print fast at a higher quality than we might with traditional motors? 3a Can the homing and bed leveling macros be sped up, in travel if not in actual z testing? Can you correlate the values from it with PA testing? 4. The cooling setup seems quite robust, more than might be needed for every day print speeds. Can you test out a "silent mode" or something similar to see how noise is at more relaxed printing speeds with slower fan settings?
I absolutely adore the use of all the opensource components. The hardware buttons for klipper macros are fantastic. What a great machine.
This is such a cool project, and the name alone, "Magneto", is enough to make me intrigued. Ah yes, and also the vision of a printer that will require less maintenance, without sacrificing quality or speed. From an engineering standpoint, I have a hard time seeing any drawbacks to this architecture, other than the cost. But for print farms and professional applications, paying extra for something that requires less man-hours to keep running, will be a bargain. Keep up the good work!
I thought the same , no belts=less moving parts , and less moving parts=less downtime and less maintenance
This is brilliant, thanks for the behind the scenes look, I was pretty interested in this when it was announced, I'm finally subscribing :-)
Super cool! I totally agree that this between a Bambu and a Reprap style 3D printer.
Really great video, I like the transparency that Peopoly has had with you while troubleshooting some issues, and giving their own solutions to those problems. I think the Magneto X has a lot of potential before release. If there was a higher-temperature hotend for this printer, I think printing in PEEK or other high-performance filaments could be really interesting with the enclosure and 130c bed.
I think the motors would overheat if you were to heat the chamber to to that temperature. Would be interesting to see that tested.
@@colaigor Good point actually, I did remember Vision Miner mentioning something about that in one of their videos. If the chamber was at 50c that might not be an issue for the motors, but would be for printing. Would be interesting to see how the motors behaved in high temperatures.
@@wrathblox500 Peopoly have previously stated the motors are good up to 90°c chamber temps, and the magnets over 120°c or something like that
As pre-orders are closed it's difficult to get too excited over this $3000AUD machine. Fortunately for me I only recently received the newest member to the Bambu lab family... oh that's right. So this machine has a lot of potential. I'm impressed with your efforts in tracing the main source of hum, suggesting to Peopoly how you might address it only to have them respond with a more complete solution. If there were any available and I had ~$3kAUD I'd genuinely consider one.
Would love to see how square the frame is, and what skew_correction tests would show. A pro level printer such as this surely will see engineering filaments and applications. Being perfectly square and having perfectly square prints is vital. A large majority of manufacturers neglect this.
I'm excited about this printer. Looking forward to hearing and seeing more!
Sounds like this is what the new Bambu labs SHOULD have been. Open source and all the same features plus a bigger build area.
Very awesome of Peopoly to do it this way. I own an X1C myself, and am quite happy with it, but that does not mean that I do not excitedly await what other innovations the 3D world will be introducing. This Magneto X printer is definitely impressive, and I look forward to seeing and hearing more about how well it prints, and how it generally compares to other great new printers out there.
The printer coming with Klipper firmware installed is a significant development.
This printer is looking good. Well done all involved in this. Great stuff
Perhaps it would be nice to verify the dimensional accuracy of the prints after all is tuned to the max.
The linear motors make dimensional accuracy non-issue. Either it's accurate, or you push it so much it fails completely, no in-between.
printing nerd during his interview at The First Look mentioned that it is not like the 20.000 USD printers in ua-cam.com/video/9YaW8DIxWTc/v-deo.html. It would be interesting how accurate it is or what the potential is.@@sharpfang
@@sharpfang This isn't accurate at all. Your understanding of how closed-loop motors work and the precision of steps (on open and closed loop motors) is incorrect.
@@sharpfangNo, this is not how it works. It is as accurate as servo control loop can make it. It depends on the encoder resolution, it's noise and rate.
Needs a lot of polish but has HUGE potential. I will get one for sure in a later gen once the bugs are worked out
This printer has me so incredibly excited for the future of 3d printing.
I'd love to see the Beacon bed levelling sensor, shown on the ModBot UA-cam channel, implemented into the design of this. Possibly as an optional extra. It would make so much sense given that this machine seems to have all the best tech and such a large bed.
Great video, love to see Peopoly collaborating witch people such as your selves, hope you get to keep your printer after all the hard work.
Linear motors are really cool! Would love more testing of their performance! Are they using standard stepper motor drivers or did they do something special?
The focus on open source is also great. Hope everything works out for them :)
I agree would love to see just how repeatable the movement is with the linear motors.
Stepper drivers are separate units in the electronics chamber that plug into a standard driver interface on the Octopus.
Wow, that looks like an awesome machine, a bit expensive sure, but worth it if it lives up to testing. Looking forward to that video Michael.
I'm glad that someone finally built one of my ideas 💡. I'm not saying that I was the first to have it or even that I spoke with anyone involved, just that I have been wanting to experiment with this design myself for years. I'm hoping that they will do it justice. If done correctly, I think that the linear maglev rail design will be the new gold standard.
I would love to see this type of design paired with the helical worm cycloidal extruder.
It has an orbital extruder
You're correct of course. My dumb brain 🧠 couldn't remember the nomenclature for the "helical worm cycloidal extruder." So, I just typed orbital as a place holder, because that's what it looks like when it's running...
@@THEOGGUNSHOW AH, yes, that would be an interesting upgrade to try for sure 😁
Ok, I just re-watched it and he called it a rotary roller drive extruder.
You probably already know, but this almost certainly uses linear rails instead of maglev.
My main printer is a CR-6Max, and the load cell was the one thing that ruined the printer. Inconsistant probing, and because the print head "floats" under the load cell, it moves during the print. I ended up biting the bullet and replacing the load cell with a fixed mount and CR-touch, and it was a night and day improvement. Ended up with a 400x400 bed slinger that was accurate and stable.
I'm willing to bet if you replace the load cell on this printer with a standard probe or one of the touchless probes, so much of the issues around digging into the bed would disappear, and the printer would work so much better, as that seems to be a lot of the noted problems on your test machine.
Great video! I love it how you work through everything smoothly and you are so well spoken. And kudos to Peopoly for taking the feedback and improving, and also allowing you to review a pre-production model, warts and all. It shows they listen and are willing to own what they produce, and that is a long term benefit.
Nozzle based probing is infinitely better than anything else. I cant imagine downgrading a printer as severely as moving away from nozzle based probing and to a probe would be.
A bad implementation is a bad implementation but domt theow the baby out with the bath water.
There are clearly systems that work well, so its not endemic to nozzle based probing.
@@BeefIngot Anything that allows a nozzle to move or flex from its intended position immediately introduces an error margin in the process. There is a reason CNC machines use touchplates, it is to get the location of the tip in a manner that doesn't require the tip to move from its position in any way, shape or form.
As soon as you have a nozzle that is built to bend, shift or move from a rigid, fixed position, you have lost accuracy not just in that measurement, but in the repeatability of that measurement, and that is absolutely a downgrade.
Using a load cell just to be different is heading down the wrong path. There is a reason that it isn't used on all the other printers, because unless you are paying an absolute fortune for precision machining (which isn't the case with any consumer 3D printer), then movement == bad.
@@dragularum Sure in a meaningless theoretical way. In reality, CNC Mills (3d printers are just a different type of cnc machine) have vastly different constraints.
For fff 3d printing, where you are extruding a volume out of the nozzle, the most important thing is knowing how much filament was extruded. This allows you to continuously measure instead of just hope as you cant just take the part over to a cmm machine.
Basically, whenever you try to apply cnc mill logic to 3d printers it fails, because one relies on rigid high force removing material, and the other on fast precise placement of material. Very different objectives.
TLDR; Nah, Nozzle based is absolutely the superior technique and Im very glad its here to stay. You can keep your dinasour tech over a bad experience if you want.
Imagine people still riding horses because the first cars were bad.
I'd love to better understand what is so innovative about the linear motor system. What are its strengths and weaknesses? I'd also like to know about any measures they are taking that bring it more inline with a more appliance/consumer friendly level of 3d printer. Looking forward to seeing more about the innovations they are including. Thanks for the behind the scenes video and your honesty.
I would love to hear your opinion in the full review whether or not this machine would be good in a print farm setting. Thank you for the review and for putting in loads of effort to make this printer great, and a huge thanks to Peopoly for listening and putting in the work to implement the feedback, I hope I can pick one of these up for myself.
This is an awesome video, great work. Let's see the actively heated chamber setup!
this approach to DVT is awesome! this may be my next printer.
Nice! Id like to hear more about closed vs open loop control and how it impacts this device. Looking forward to your review!
This sounds like quite an exciting machien with a good dose of real innovation at a price that is still affordable for those ready to invest a bit more in the hobby (on par with quality parts Voron 2.4)
I like that you quoted acceleration in mm/s/s. The vast majority quote it in mm/s, like a velocity. Does it matter? Well, getting it right makes it easier to understand what it means. “The velocity will increase by this many mm/s for each second elapsed”
It would be great if you can test ringing on this printer. I think that would be one of the most outstanding difference that we can expect form Magneto X
That was so cool! Thanks for posting the video with all these details. I've had my eye on this printer since I saw the same Joel video you mentioned. You really gave them amazing value as a beta tester with those improvements!
I'd love to see details on consistency and accuracy, as well as tolerances. I've also heard that they plan to have tool changing as well, so if you can tell us any info on that I'd love to hear it.
I've never seen them make any mention of tool changing...
I think that they will implement IDEX before they go to tool changing.
+1 for positioning accuracy. I have done some experiments on my stepper-belt 3d printer, and found some 0.1mm-0.2mm of reproducibility error, which is most likely due to belts. I am not sure if these linear motors would improve on that, but they might, and i'd love to see if they do.
@@victortitov1740 i think the linear motors would have more accuracy , these are used in cnc machines after all and these are really precise
Given that one of the main selling points for linear motors is absolute closed loop control, I would really love to see on your test prints if any vertical fine artifacts or other related ringing is completely gone along with layer shifts.
Given that the z axis motors are not linear motors, I'm wondering what effect that would have on VFA.
Thank you for your work on this!
Glad to see they are so receptive to feedback! I will say it's quite pricey. I guess I would hope the linear motors deliver extreme dimensional accuracy or some other advantage over other motion systems. I would like to see that tested.
Looking forward to your review
Really well done. Thank you Michael.
Exciting to see progress like this. 👍
I’ve been so excited for this printer!
This is what I love to see!! Embracing open source, giving back to the community, open for mods etc... I think they are definitely better than bambu who literally made everything proprietary and closed source. Super excited for them!
Serious question. What do you honestly see with this printer? Once you get beyond the open source origins and assortment of off the shelf parts what makes it better than a polished (closed)product? It's $2k, the print quality is middling and still in beta testing.
damaged build surface @ 10:26,
inconsistent probing @ 11: 16,
print issue @ 12:10
Every time I see someone champion open source I ask what about it makes them unique. I see an never ending project of variables, parts of various quality and reliance on the "community" to fix issues as most folks do not write code and are following someone else's instructions. Open or closed it matters little.
You mentioned Bambu but as far as I know they didnt need the community to finish their printers for them, parts are available and there are wiki, videos on how to disassemble, maintenance and support the machine.
i love everything about this add a second print head / toolchanger and it beats literally everything on the market.. it's cheaper then the XL and better built then anything else
The linear motors means adding a second print head would be fairly trivial too
@@Geoff_W i feel like I saw something about them doing that at some point but tbh I don't remember lol
@@Geoff_W You would have to add a 2nd Y rail to the gantry as you would lose all your print capacity adding just a print head.
@@a2dskins There's room on the board for expansion, no reason you couldn't add another Y gantry too, the only thing with that is you are sacrificing build volume at that point (although you probably also lose some adding another print head to the same gantry also).
Also there's no reason you couldn't just throw another head on the X gantry. You could run an ERCF to both heads and do a color change on one print head while you print with the other.
@@Geoff_W i remember that at that event where they show 3D printers (i forgot how it was called) there was a Magneto X that had something like 5 heads , so yeah , you are right
Something amazing🎉🎉🎉 about this motion system. I had bought linear motors on eBay for this exact purpose about 2-3 years ago. But with the current motors available for the right force. I felt it would be too expensive. But the typical linear motors are not like steppers. And I think these are.
Now for the amazing bit. That even these guys have not figured out.
With linear motors you get automatic head changes for free. Yes for FREE and as fast and accurate as you can imagine.
Since clearly I didn't make the printer. I'm leaving this nugget here for the community. Love this comment if you would like to see such a feature.
Great video like always 👍 for your next video about this printer, I would like to see some VFA, dimensional accuracy, max flow tests. And some input shaper graphs 😊 thanks for your amazing work !
Love the behind the scenes approach to this video! Could you maybe do some testing with softer TPU (around 82A)? Would be really interesting to see how it performs with something as tricky as those kind of filaments. :)
I would be curious to know the coil temperatures of the linear motors when they are working hard.
Also, thanks for all you do for the community.
That is a mighty large printer. The only way that I could fit it in (and I fully intend to buy it) would be by accessing it and placing it "sideways" on my bench. It would be great if the screen could be moved, either with an additional print mount or designed to adapt. Also, I have recently received a Bambu X1C, and it runs next to my old Snapmaker A350. These machines are impressive but they all lack a certain thought process for access for disabled users. I don't know what that would look like, but I am finding accessing and tinkering from a wheelchair more and more difficult, rather than moving the positive way. Generally, when this IS considered, it actually creates a better product for all.
I've thought about this, and after wrestling with the filament feed on my Bambu today - something the rest of you could have done in 5 minutes took me over an hour. However if things were more modular, clip on, clip of, socketed, or latched - rather than screwed and fixed, it would make so much difference for all. I'm thinking about the fast module change on the Snapmaker as a good example, and the magnetised front cover on the Bambu print head. There was no need to screw the filament feed to the back of the X1C, it could have been clip in place like the screen (for example). And putting the power button at the back!! Why?
It would be very interesting to see non planar printing, by tilting the print bed. I've seen companies advertise that this is possible with their printer, but they don't have working examples.
This is going to be my next printer, but i would love to see an extra add-on kinda like the expandable AMS system from Bambu and an easy way to switch nozzle size like the A1 series from Bambu. but the whole linear motor with closed loop feedback is super exciting! And that printer has a proper print size for most users! Also KAMP should be a default addon on this printer
I think they will support Enraged Rabbit Project before they decide to engineer their own multi material system.
if I had $2000 i would buy this printer instantly. Extremely cool
I really have high hopes for this printer, I have a awful track record with FDM printers and this looks like it might finally be the one, as a fellow Australian the biggest issue I deal with is humidity up here in QLD sunshine coast. So I would love to see you put this through a print reliability test with old or "wet" filaments as well as just a general day to day reliability of prints. Really all I want is a reliable work horse like my Peopoly Phenom Prime resin printer. Great video btw really put the magneto through its paces for us.
3:28 Did the shipping company air drop that without a parachute?
More like a UPS drop off, they bent my Y motor threads on my printer...
I've been enjoying KAMP as well. Recently Klipper added native support for the adaptive meshing, so no addon required once you update.
I would love to see it print some engineering materials like Nylon 6/12, TPU with a high shore hardness and if it is possible to print PEEK.
a vfa deep dive across many speeds would be cool, smooth micro stepping has been a big challenge for me on my diy printers
I am so much looking forward to they restock :-D i am a industrial technician and i worked on a laser cnc with linear servos, and looking at that huge mashine moving 1200mm/s okay that was from corner to corner, but we are talking Vez3d printer for the same speeds, i have never seen anything like it.
Great video as always.
Impressive build and design.
I would love if it had two heads, IDEX design is the best I think 👍😃
Precision demonstration
Yours is the 3rd video Ive watched on this printer. It SEEMS like a hell of a good direction, but not something I see, at least right now, as an innovation that the average user can easily delve in to while building a custom rig. Ide love to see where this goes though!
As for testing, other have seen a lot of "noise" in prints that seem to be appearing at the same frequency as the linear motor magnets are placed. I KINDA think this could be turned out by relaxing the moters a little.
As for price... compare this to a similar printer. Ive been looking at building a RatRig. The fully built model isn't much cheaper than this $2000 price tag. So, sure, its expensive! But its nothing out of what should be expected. Especially for something that's implementing tech that no one else has ever thought about!
Again, Ide love to see where this goes in the future!!
I’m curious to see how close it can print parts. Can it print non-planar? Can it print moving parts in place with a narrow tolerance reliably? How accurate are the prints? I would love to see you put this printer through the paces to see just how detailed the prints can get. I’m looking to sell my Prusa and wanted to get a Core XY but wasn’t sure which to choose due to limitations. If this is even better with the refinements I would choose the Magneto X as my next printer. Thank you for sharing the process Michael and showing how responsive Peopoly is to feedback. This was an outstanding collaboration.
the most exciting new printer for a while
I would like to see your evaluation with printing accuracy, using PETG, PCTG, and 85 TPU.
The latest klipper has adaptive mesh probing allready to go. Doesn’t have the thick purge though. A decibel test in this would have been great.
This looks to be an awesome printer when it eventually gets into production. 👍🇦🇺😊
Seems like a company for makers, will follow it's journey with interest. I'm in South Africa so expect the shipping for a 30kg. machine would be prohibitive. It should have a maglev train shape for the head
This is honestly exactly the sort of machine I'd be looking for if I wasn't so poor, it's got all I would want and more, though I'm sceptical of the wisdom of magnetic tracks right above a headed tool head.
Things I would like to see in a review:
- Print quality
- Print quality vs speed and how does that compare to other core xy printers like from Bambu Labs and Voron (and others).
- Sound
- Sound vs speed and how does that compare to other core xy printers like from Bambu Labs and Voron (and others).
- Maintenance of linear motors vs. regular core xy setup, how often, how, ease, cost, etc.
- Estimated life of the linear motor setup vs traditional belt systems.
- Cost of replacement and the ability to repair the linear motor setup.
- Energy usage (vs other core xy printers).
- Can you use the entire build platform at optimal speeds and quality.
- What advantages/disadvantages over a traditional core xy printer.
- How well does it print with other (non-Peoppoly) filaments. Looking here specifically at videos of loose filament from spool to rapidly moving printhead.
I am excited about this printer and am looking forward to your full review. Please test it for layer shifts.
That was really fascinating.
This seems very promising for the price point, even though it’s expensive it’s very fair for what you get. The enclosure being included would be a plus though