Peopoly's MAGNETO X!!! Magnetic Linear Motors! NO BELTS!!!
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- We've been testing out the FIRST FFF 3D printer from @peopoly: The #MagnetoX. This beast is unique in that it features a magnetic linear motor, a 1000 watt bed, and features that you would normally only see in printers costing 10x as much!
What’s your favorite feature of the Magneto X? Let us know in the comments!
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0:00 Intro
2:01 Overview
6:59 Linear Drives
9:09 Filament System
10:06 Internal Fan
11:14 Build Plate
11:44 Software - Klipper
14:21 Downsides
15:19 Cooling Fans
17:11 Problems
19:02 Touchscreen
21:30 Custom Hot Ends
22:50 Outro
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A good printer made by good people. Warms my heart. Look forward to it improving over time.
So glad seeing open source getting some love.
Same here! This is how it's done.
Great people who pushed the moai out with curated videos, promised firmware updates. Moved on to noir, now moving on to the next. You won't get any support for tech no one else uses.
I hope all those printer companies are donating really generously to the Klipper project. I know Peopoly is a sponsor. Kudos to them
I remember them mentioning that they support both klipper and orca slicer. Really great if they keep it up.
yep, they were one of the first to step up. Good folks there
I think Klipper should be free for personal use and have a license fee for companies selling it as part of a product. This is a rather standard licensing model.
When I was working in the mechatronics industry, we used linear motors like this for one of our robots, but much larger (2m long gantries). We did have to post warnings about pacemaker risks, around our robot, but the magnets were much stronger. If you got a screwdriver within a hundred mm, the magnet track would grab the tool out of your hand and you would spend the next 10 minutes slowly easing the tool away from it. That's if the force didn't crack a magnet and you'd have to spend the next hour replacing that segment of magnet track.
Since that machine was designed, the industry has moved from open surface linear motors like this, to U channel linear motors, where the strongest magnetic fields are contained within the channel, these have a much lower personal and mechanical risks associated with them. They are much easier to keep clean as the open side can be sealed off from the environment, which can be important in industrial or clean room environments.
One big advantages of linear rails, by the way, is the fact that you can run multiple motors on the same magnet/encoder track. Our gantry robot had two X tracks running on the Y track, and six heads on each of these X tracks. Imagine being able to print as many copies of an item as you have heads, or switching filament by just moving a head into position rather than changing the tool head. Linear motors offer a world of opportunities.
thats so cool for the design! These are not THAT powerful, but the plus side is that I have not had screws that I took off the toolhead fall onto the bed!
Yeah, the motors I used were powerful. IIRC, each of the two Y axis motors had 50A amplifiers, accelerated at up 2g and could get to 2m/s on a long move on the 2m track, while the X axis motors were 5A each, could accelerate at up to 5g, and could get to close to 5m/s over their 2m travels. As a programmer, it really concentrated the mind knowing that one mistake in your control code could send 40kg of metal hurtling at your head. *8')
yeah.. I think I would pass on that LOL
Exciting! It’s nice to see someone with one of these machines. Can’t wait to see the final product!
same
When I saw that thing at ERRF I was blown away. People that buy it definitely need a sturdy table ha ha
yeahhhhhhh
Mark and the rest of the Peopoly gang are absolutely doing things right. Not just from the awesome technological advancements that make this printer special, but primarily because of their dedication to user data privacy and open source design.
You're right that hobbyists like myself probably can't justify the cost of the printer - if I'm saving up that much for a printer, it'd be an IDEX or toolchanger where I have true, reliable multi-material capabilities - but it's damn cool and I'm putting it on my mental wishlist of printers that can replace our broken POS Stacker3D printer at work.
Installing lights would make for a great future video, too. I'd be curious if they would get installed in the vertical extrusions behind the Z-axis lead screws, on the toolhead, or somewhere else. Regardless, you never really can have too much light covering the print volume of your machine. Installing a Diamondback nozzle would of course be an excellent option; of particular interest there would be if the Magneto X's high print speeds and powerful part cooling capability can allow you to print with huge line widths and layer heights at high speed.
Seeing a company give a damn about the beta testers and being so respondent is truly heart warming!
Yep, as we do lights there will be a video :)
Perhaps a silly question, but are the magnets user replaceable? should you in some way damage the magnets, say by getting the chamber too warm when you have it enclosed and that bed at 1000w?
They are not. But you also should not be in a position to damage the magnets either.
The chamber wont get hot enough I dont think.
My first introduction to klipper was my SV06+ "poverty prusa" klipper screen add on, and I also found being able to adjust the bed heater PWM frequency was very useful when I discovered that the default frequency caused my LED printer light modifications to visually flicker every time the heater was modulating to maintain temperature.
A better regulated power supply might not have been as susceptible, but this was a free fix 😊
we see it on every printer with sensitive lights lol
I was LITERALLY thinking to myself 2 days ago, that I was going to build a linear motor 3D printer.
But a software error can turn that head into a projectile. No joke.
yuppppp
I build a complete linear motor by myself. May i ask what kind of controller you are using? I usw 2 hbridges and pwm. That works flawless. But i can hear the pwm sound.
@@OrgathmTechOh, I haven't attempted this myself, but am looking forward to at some point in my journey.
How has your experience been?
@@SeanLumly so far so good. I coded the 3 phases algo on an esp32 with ili9340 display. In my shorts you can find it working.
So it's potentially a Gauss projectile weapon? :)
Pressure advance is a klipper setting parameter thing you gotta toggle should be a quick config change and a print for calibration, extruder looks pretty standard. Input shaper not working yet makes sense with the fancy motors though
Tuning it is not as you would expect because of how the drive systems all work, or so I am told. We are working with the other testers to get it right
Can it do special engineering filaments like ultem or anything fancy?
Currently no.
No because magnets lose magneticabl when chambers hit a temp think it's 200f if I remember right
You had mentioned stuff like adding a light or putting a diamondback one. I would really love to see you do a series maybe just in the shorts tab, but small things like how to add a light, what kind of diamondback you need little tunings to the slicer, stuff like that since this machine is everything you want out of one no license agreements, no close source software I think it would be really neat if you supported them by helping out their community
100% will! Stay tuned!
I’ve wanted one since it leaked and can’t wait to see the finished product and will order it when it drops
Leaked? When did it leak?
wow Nice to see it in action
Yeah, and It is only gonna get better
I'll be keeping an eye on this one
Awesome. We will be updating as we can
Will someone make a ceramic build plate with embedded magnets for this machine?
Why would there be benefit to that? Curious..
Great company policy and such an awesome looking machine. Looking forward to what people do with this and having it go as fast as it can, even without printing... just show me those speeds that are claimed.
Will have to do a recording of it moving like a rocket. Hard on that specific table due to how unstable it can be.
It's a very cool product and I also love their attitude towards software, privacy and ownership. Stark difference to the Bambu P1S I just got. At the price I might choose to build multiple Ratrig V-Cores instead of buying one of these. It's crazy cool that two of the axis are so encapsulated and should be very reliable? Are there any maintenance steps for the rails?
Magnetism is absolutely mind boggling!
definitely a stark difference!
The linear motor is cool, but I would like to see more tool-head changes, explorations of full-colour printing, SLS (as mentioned), etc. There is SO much more to printing than just speed, and it would be nice to see movement on other aspects that are neglected.
I have a full color sandstone printer... We can go into the weeds. For 5 years my company was ranked #1 in the world for this tech. Then 2020 hit lol.
@@3DMusketeers Oooh, cool! Aren't those things like $20K to $80K? I assume you're talking about so-called binder jetting (UV cured?)?
Do tell!
I would love to see some type of sublimation on SLS, and with good plastic/metal re-use to minimize waste, or some type of recycling process.
they run about 70k new. It is not binder jetting, that is polyjet. We have one of those too lol.
Look for the Projet 660 Pro, that is what I have
@@3DMusketeers That's not a bad price! Yes, this was exactly what I was hoping to see, and the colours are AMAZING. I'm a big fan of SLS..
I wish there was more of this for the home desktop. FDM is cool (especially for multi-material), but SLS has some great features, especially with colour.
man the zcorp style (now called the Projet CJP line) are waaaayyyyy too messy for home use lol
Such an incredibly interesting printer!
definitely is!!
Spot-On ! Grant awesome post !
Thanks!
This printer is no surprise... commercial CNC machines have used this technology for years. It was only a matter of time before this became available for home units.
This machine is on my hit list as a must have.
true, but it didnt trickle down, so to say, until now
@@3DMusketeers Yes this is true, but thats only because companies like Bambu created a massive shift in what could or should go into machines to make them more accurate at much higher print speeds. This would have taken even longer if that initial massive step forward had not have happened, and we would still be printing at stupid slow speeds for years to come on our Prusa machines.
But now the flood gates are opening and the trickle down effect will speed up expotentially.
This though is a great step forward, eliminating belts and the inherant noise they create, no more belt tensioning or idol pulleys, which also means no failing bearings. Closed loop and 3 micron accuracy is also a massive step in the right direction for future printers, now we just need more manufactures to adopt it as well.
I am not certain Bambu had an impact on this machine, but I can ask..
I hesitated when they did the preorders. Really wish I would had jumped on the opportunity
I dont blame you, but that is okay, you can easily wait another 6 months for all the kinks to get worked out and not have a beta-ish machine
Oh man, I've been on the hunt for a set of fans like that, especially if they're rated to handle living in a heated enclosure.
Depends on how hot.. lol
Excellent introduction to the capabilities of the machine. I am really interested in seeing it actually print. As it uses another motion system, what kind of maintenance does it require?
keep watching, there is B roll of it printing.
We dont know maintenance requirements right now, but the linear guides will likely need lubing at some point
I would like to see miniatures. Can it get down to 0.01mm layers with a 0.25mm nozzle and 0.15mm extrusion width on external perimeters.
I use 0.05mm layers with 0.15mm external perimeters on my prusa's and they make amazing miniatures, but if you are in to robots and vehicles, or anything angular, the edges get soft...
...but the main problem is when surfaces get close to tangent with the print plane. That ruins FDM for miniatures. otherwise, my FDM minis are close to SLA quality
I am SURE it CAN, but why? Get a resin printer for that. 0.25 nozzle and 0.01mm layers are asking for trouble. Remember, even resin printers use 0.05mm layers lol.
A similar drivetrain could run a type of scalar robotic arm and to regulate the gravity concerns of a printer of no frame size limitations, and could be telescopic, and also a bridgeable axis could also be a possibility, as if the lego block had magnetic properties or haptically could.
I mean, sure, I guess, but well outside of my engineering skills alas!
This is incredible! Once that software gets dialed in it will be a beast. Is the hotend max just 300°C? That beefy it would be awesome if it could print peek
yep 300C right now I believe, but I bet they could do more with a thermocouple
I love those magnets. Are they epoxied in there?
oh yeah!
Future looks great!
indeed
I would love to see some accuracy & precision tests, that would be my main reason to buy this printer
3 microns will be tough to detect,. and likely you wont be able to see it by eye, but we will try!
I don't see the heatbed as much of an issue, the ubiquitous Bambu's are 1000w too if you're outside the US.
if you are outside the US you also have MUCH more power available at the wall lol
@@3DMusketeersstill have the 1500va UPS units screaming their hearts out when you hit the bed heater button though :)
fair LOL
It'd be nice to see one of these - just a wee bit smaller - to save a wee bit money and space. Any idea if there are any plans for such a machine?
oh - btw - you said it only was one axis, the y as you called it, pointing to x, what the hell is that about?
one motor per axis.
And I am not aware of a smaller one at this time
finally a $2k 3d printer that I would totally get if I had $2k to put into it. I've always hated the 3d printers that were insanely expensive that did basically the same thing as a $300-500 one.
this one has actual innovation, which I love
I would totally trade my voron2.4 350mm all CNC parts build kit for this bad boy
I believe that would not be a sound financial investment?
After my experience with my last 400mm-class FDM printer, I swore off the format for awhile until I could get into something more commercial/industrial quality and capability; don't get me wrong, tuning up a printer can be fun, but not when you Really need it to work vs forever ordering parts for the next phase of perfection. That was 2018. I would strongly consider coming back for this one, and if you're in the market for a machine in this class, the price is a relative bargain. I'd definitely scoop up an enclosure though and look at hardened bits for abrasive printing.
That's why I spent extra time to outline all the phases of perfection for my new build and just went straight to the top and ordered everything 💀. I think the only thing more I can do with this printer is make it AWD corexy but I'd need to make two custom mounts.
I actually received a request to print a decently big project and now I'm scrambling to get my printer together enough to start printing the parts though 😂
it has hardened nozzles and drive gears, so you should be fine there!
Those look like custom Goliath hotends from mellow. I just got a water cooled Goliath setup I'm using for my ender 5 plus zerog mercury 1.1 upgrade.
water cooling hotends and components has so much value that has yet to be unlocked.
Sounds like a great potential
For Sure!!!
Wow, you mean companies can actually comply with Open source license conditions ? Whatever next, caring about their end users, listening to feed back ?? This can't end well ;) :) Great review as always, and welcome to the maddening world of Klipper :)
It is great, aint it!?!
@@3DMusketeersKlipper or a company doing the right thing ? ;) :)
Whynotboth.gif lol
Hope this machine will prevent layer shifts
I am not sure it can 100% prevent, but it can definitely stop issues with motors and pulleys.
Did you say 3 hotends? Its not mentioned on their product page
its actually 2 I was wrong.
Great job,👍 Micheal over at teaching tech is also all over this and has pretty informative video he posted 2 weeks ago. He goe's into a lot more technical detail prolly why he is part of the field testing team and got his earlier. He has already helped the team to fix a major issue. Kamp is also some thing he talks about and worth a listen. Also gets a bit more technical and talks about the cool load cell. He also show a bunch of calibration prints a actual printed benchy and a very sexy printed vase that make this printer look some what very promising for now. Also showing some pretty good TPU printing as well. All in all he does a solid pre look at the printer with some really good talking points and a look inside klipper. He compare's build quality to an X1 but with open source if that's a thing. Well worth a watch if anyone's actually keen on this printer.
He's more technical than me for this one...
Thanks Grant. I like not only your honesty on good and bad but also for calling out medical devices. I’m watching this thinking I can never have this machine for that very reason.
its something that came to my mind, so I wanted to make sure we talked about it
Your device would have to get very close to the magnets. The field strength falls off quite quickly (1 / distance squared). But better safe than sorry.
@@reasonablebeing5392 I just got my pacemaker 2 weeks ago and am learning and a bit paranoid. Thanks for the info this is all new to me and thankfully can’t afford this printer right now but looks interesting.
Better be safe than.. well.. not capable of being sorry.
I dont think I have a magnetic flux meter or something to measure the magnetic strength, but I will see what I can find. Lisa, DM me on discord, lets see what we can do!
Is there any printer that doesn't use magnets? Just what do you think is inside of stepper motors?
yeah yeah yeah I know.. Thumbnail has been updated.
That machine looks promising but please we need more open source IDEX/toolchangers/others ways machines when using support material!
Eh, good support settings and that isnt as big of a deal, but I do get the point and that is why I bought an XL 5T lol
With a linear track, you wouldn't necessarily need a tool changer, just put all heads on the track and make the track long enough that there was somewhere for the heads to park when not in use.
You could even print with multiple heads at once, if the appropriate support were added in the slicer.
The wide print bed is typical for IDEX printers. Magnetic rails should be great for IDEX, and more tool heads, as they don't need additional belt paths, just somewhere to park the tools when not in use. I hope Peopoly is already thinking about multiple heads for this platform.
definitely would be good for that or a toolchanger too!
@@3DMusketeers I don't think that the complexity of a tool changer is needed, unless the number of tools gets high. All that is needed is to extend the x axis magnetic rail so that there's parking space for n-1 toolheads on each end of the rail. That would allow any tool to be accessed, by shuffling the others to the other end.
You would also be able to print in parallel or mirror mode for with up to all the the tools so long as there's space to do so.
The only downside would be the cost of the magnets to extend the rail, and you'd need a lot of motor drivers and hotend circuits, as each tool is effectively its own, fully independent motor (and needs a stepper for the extruder).
I cant imagine a few more magnets and such would be expensive, just much more technical complication
If you think klipper is easy to use, you should use a duet reprapfirmware based machine
I built one years ago with a duet 2 wifi :)
I just want to see how nice a print comes off it that’s all I care about
Once they are fully tuned in don't worry we will show it
on mills and other machines like that you usually refer to the longest axis to be the x-axis, so it should also apply to 3d printers (as long as the manufacturer complys to those conventions of cause)
but we never do that in the 3DP industry, interesting!
Like to see more about the x and y axis and how they set then up. And how it actually works are the liner rails and slides and guides ?
This thing festures alot of awesomeness. Very excited to see it evolve and hope to see revsion 2
the MGN guideways are just idlers basically. But yes, I want to do a deep dive on it too
For a low weight gantry robot, which is effectively what this is, a motor on one end plus an idler on the other could perform better than a motor on each end of the gantry.
The only risk of this is slack in the system developing over time, which can result in problems with unidirectional repeatability late in it's service interval cycle. In other words, if the X gantry ends up slewing, the end near the motor could move more than the end near the idler, so while the near position may still be accurate, the far end could vary by the amount of slew, depending on the size of the motion and the direction from which it was approached. In the worst case on small cyclic Y moves, the other end of the X gantry might not move at all.
When I was working on a 2m square gantry robot, we had a different problem. With motors on both ends of the X gantry, motors could end up 'fighting' each other to correct for the resonance in the system. Whenever we added or removed load on the X gantry, the system could end up in a limit cycle (sometimes called resonance) when it was supposed to be still. A quick tap of the gantry would often jump it out of it's limit cycle, but the longer term solution was to either slightly detune the motor PIDs, or add weights to the gantry, both of which reduced performance.
I'm still waiting for the maglev superconductive rails printer...
lol that would be cool...
I would probobly have done the linjear rails the other way around. Those magnets are not cheap.
They could have done the linear motor as a PCB and used Hallback array on the carriage
the magnets are needed for the motion though.
@@3DMusketeers yea.. they would still exist, but only a fraction of them.
I dont know if that would work? The fewer the magnets the lower the torque and the lower the speed of the drives I believe.
@@3DMusketeers oh yea. The number of magnets engage with the liniear motor would still be the same. Could even use more advance magnet layout to increase the flux focus so the liniear motor could have less windings.
Transrapid use that model and it only have one winning per magnet. Granted.. it use 8000A... on the other hand its 46 ton.. so a bit heavier.
only a bit heavier LOL. I worked with some EV stuff where we did 124v up to 208v dc at up to 5000 amps all liquid cooled. Fun times... Size of cable needed? yes.
From what I can see they cut 4 corners on this thing, sexy and rounded, but still cut
amazing. Best comment so far!
Hoping to replace my Prusa MK3S with this.
definitely a good printer to retire a Prusa for, but hey, why not both!!
can't wait to see a video where the printer is actually printing
We have B roll of it printing..
@@3DMusketeers ill admit I didn't watch the whole video but I'm intrested to see more of this printer in action. found your channel cause of this vid.... subbed 😉
lol.. yeah, theres video of it printing :)
ua-cam.com/users/livexv_evAQt1eE?feature=share
here you go.. over 3 hours of me working on it, testing limits, and showing it printing. Enjoy.
@@3DMusketeers you came with the receipts 😂
I want a machine that is 5foot square size. Or better yet... a program where I can build my own machine... using their parts, the size that I want. I am an inventor by trade... and really need a large format printer for printing large engine parts.
They exist.. Just pull out your checkbook because they aint cheap...
Well keep in mind, were looking for a company that is willing to simply provide the parts to our specifications... so we can build our own systems for our organization. And have the ability to create new printers that suit us. Which means to possibly provide a stock length of extrusions... where we can cut our own lengths. Provide software that is able to be adjusted to fit the sizes or setup we want, that is not closed in to the companies presets only. In other words... totally open source kits which allows us to customize our units to our specifications. We have a school that teaches students how to invent, how to design and build things. And part of that is to design our own tools. Its often where there are no off the shelf tools to fit our projects needs. And this is the first time I have seen a 3D printer with liner rails. Anyway, that is what I am talking about. Do you have any suggestions? We are not seeking already built printers. We are seeking Open Source Kits with this kind of quality parts where the parts companies are not afraid to assist DYI'ers to design and build their own printers.
Do you have any suggestions besides open our check book, which is not really a satisfactory answer to tell someone?
Shame about the hotend. It looks a bit rubbish. They certainly need to refine that. But the motion system looks great.
Does it get rid of the vertical ribbing that people always attribute to belts on pulleys?
Hotend is fine, I just don't like the thermistor placement.
And it SHOULD. we will see
What about the closed loop system? At minute 5 you are talking about step losses after touching the running machine. In my world the advertising is to lose no steps at all. I hope its only a software bug.
If you put your hand in the way and cause it to crash I dont think you will be worried about step loss lol.
As I said though, there are software issues currently that keep cool features like that from working
It will be nice to see it when they have sorted out ALL the problems!!! Crap atm
It's a beta unit.. like... What were people expecting lol?
I wonder if the next model will have a tool changer.
that would be sickkkkk
Bambu's unreleased bigboi has some major serious competition.
Do I have to manually encrypt all my personal data before I send it to Peopoly? Seems tedious, can't it be automated?
What data? You dont send anything to them. The firmware is 100% open source and will soon be re-merged with mainline klipper.....
@@3DMusketeerssorry, forgot the sarcasm tag there. It's been a few days since you dropped the Bambu logs video but I finally got them both watched this morning. Feels weird they're not trying to cloud profit off the customer base.
Pricy unit but there's a lot to love about their approach. I'll be watching with keen interest and debating how much my time is worth when comparing this to a big old Voron build.
I dont think you could do a voron build for much less honestly.
Yes to the professional grade (cough* cost) machines. lol
can do!
speedbenchy goes brrrrrrrrrr
BRRRRRR
Once they lock this down and include multi-material, they will overtake Bambu and Prusa.
with an open source ams of sorts this is possible
Probably someone will mod the enraged rabbit carrot feeder. I'd really like less pooping printer
yeah, I expect an ERCF mod eventually, but yeah, tool changing is best
Move to 220v country and you will be able to run 3000 watts and benefit from metric system 😅. Anyway, enough poking fun at our non metrict, voltage challenged friends. Looks like a solid printer with good potential. Small businesses like mine could do with something a little more solid and capable than k1 max without ridiculous price tags
If I could only afford to move, let alone to a 220v country lol
The pure sass of taking every complaint people had about Bambulabs printers at the time and going "all of these things, our business model is to do the complete opposite of this" was hilarious when they launched. Having some of the same concerns youve had, I'm glad i held off on getting an X1C a year ago and waited until a company had 99% of the bells and whistles i was looking for wothout the BL/Creality IP and ither headaches.
Really looking forward to mine arriving, I'm glad its mostly software stuff that can be updated amd the maybe hardware updates are user servicable as they've built it to be that from the start other than the motion system. Did some preliminary test splices with the conservative speeds in the nightly build and in the time it takes to print 4 of a thing i batch print a lot of, its showing 18 of them in almost exactly the same amount of time. I'm happy at that speed, if even higher speeds can still keep the same quality its gonna be freaking amazing.
Very glad to hear that you can dial back the bed power in Klipper, i was having some concerns i might have to cancel my preorder because of the weird electrical situation i have at home. If it takes 15 minutes to heat up the build plate instead of 7, I'm fine with that because I'm saving a lot more time than that vs. my current machines.
I'd like to see something on maintenance tips for this setup. There's a lot less than most other printers but there's some still with the Z and I'd imagine some specific to the motion system. I know there's an entry in the wiki, but it'd be nice to see the main things to pay attention to from someone who runs printers in production a lot.
I do not expect the motion system to have many user serviceable parts, but it also has no moving parts, so I cannot see many issues with WHY you would need to do it, you know?
My build plate can go from ambient (20 ish) to 60C in under 3 minutes at 75% power.
@3DMusketeers I tend to assume everything will break and try to plan accordingly though I know I'm being overly paranoid. 🤣 3 minutes to 60 is great, taking like 10 with my current printer.
110V bummer :D
Comes in 240v as well!
on 220V load would be 1/3 of a standard socket
@@3DMusketeers
They have a 220v specific model too :)
Did they say you'll be able to use the frame as an enclosure? If so... Yeahh i guess I'll start saving
Edit: welp, got to that part of the video. I wanna get my hands on one
kind of, it has a top hat to go on top as well
Ahh, RMRRF
That'll be a first for me
its an awesome show!!
maybe you could get a y extension cord splitter and join 2 UPS's together. LMAO
I got an electric shock just for reading this.
@@drstefankrank actually I've seen a 240v ups setup. It requires 2 units. You hook them together. Each unit becomes one of the two live wires. But in this case it would be pulling half the power out of each UPS. It's not any different than pulling power for 2 devices on 2 outlets in the same circuit.
@@awilliams1701 But they may use a special cable and some sort of management protocol to support this. I'm not aware that these things exist, because we only have 230V UPS anyway in Germany and thus no need to research this.
please dont LOL. If they are on separate breakers on different legs, I GUESS it is possible, but please dont lol
@@3DMusketeers well I'm like mostly kidding, but you said UPS's can't handle the power draw. Running them in parallel would cut that in half. just mathematically speaking.
I can't really agree with the top enclosure- it's just too darn expensive for other options if you need a top enclosure.
such as what you think? I dont know of other options that will have the same, or similar fit and finish
No cut corners; shows rounded corner 😂
Imo 300x400 is the PERFECT size for a large format printer. The few times I've had to go over 300mm, was only in 1 axis. Never over 300x300
#2 to make that joke, missed opportunity for me lol
more sls material would be awesome I'm new to the industrial additive manufacturing world and there is nothing or material out there!!!
I will see what I can do. No SLS in house, but I know a few in the area.
replicate Voidstar labs filament benchy tier list
I do need to watch that video still....
Print marvel magneto with it
I think, legally, I have to leave that to Uncle Jessy LOL
just hate that I cant order one
why not?
More klipper
I will try!
very nice printer but kinda overhyped ngl
Why do you say that?;
@@3DMusketeers i mean i think its a really cool new printer like kind of thing but its literally all over my suggested lol and my friends wont stop talking about it
Just because people think its cool does not mean overhyped IMO
I believe this thing is a Bambu killer machine. I am waiting for mine Prusa XL to arrive, and certainly Magneto X will be my rapid prototyping machine... Great review! I am thilled about the future of 3d printer industry. I love the inovations like Prusa 's XL tool changer and Magneto 's X magnet linear system!
dude that new alpha firmware.....
@@3DMusketeers i am an optimistic person. I believe that the issues are fixable. It is big project for prusa to let it sink. BUT i agree with u, when you pay so much money for a machine like that, you expect to be at least reliable.
My XL has been reliable, just the bed issues and the Puppy issue, that went away. I dont think the bed issue, which we also had with the Magneto, is the fault of Prusa
You need a dry room, or at least install the enclosure to allow you to burn moisture out of the build zone. I have a decades old heat gun from Grainer that I use to preheat the air inside my Printed Solid enclosure before a print session.
I do, yes. But no cash for that right now and no enclosure for the machine either
OK, thanks for the review, but I have no time to tweak at nauseum an expensive printer that should come entirely pre-calibrated from the factory. It needs to print perfect right out of the box. Plug and play, just like a Bambu Lab because that's the new standard.
And where exactly did I say it's a review? It's a beta unit..
And frankly I've had a much better experience with this than I have with Bambu. Their machines were not reliable for me. 2 lemons in a row.. and between that and their data policies, I won't ever recommend their products unless they fix those issues.
I'm a beta tester for peopoly, that means we get unrefined hardware and software to test to limits. Literally what I said in the video....
@@3DMusketeers You're one in a million.
Not even close.
But as the one here with the magneto x I can tell you, it's not far from being a Bambu killer. Some good software tweaks and it'll be considerably faster and much quieter (it's already about 1/3 the noise of a Bambu).
This is part of a beta program, it ain't all gonna work immediately
You do understand this is not a retail version right?? If you think the Bambu beta units were perfect out of the box, you have no clue how development works.
And another thing 😉 pro consumers don't really watch UA-cam for their next tool -machine 😉
I disagree, but okay lol
This is going to be just like E3D s tool charger 😉 innovative, good quality build but instead of just printing you will mostly fix it 😉 and for 2000$ ? 😅 Next!!
Why do you say that? It's a beta printer.. it's not supposed to be perfect.
Please have a word with your editor. They really dont need to edit out every single gap between sentences. It really messes up the flow.
It cuts literally 10 minutes out of the video. We will keep it.. lol. Before we cut a lot fo my pauses people got mad about video length :/
Thats not a good way to trim the video length. Its better to properly edit or plan the video and cut out parts you dont think are necessary. Removing every pause make the video less enjoyable to watch.@@3DMusketeers
You do know that is what we do in the edits right?
And you can plan and plan and plan all day, but when the cameras come on, sometimes it takes longer. I recommend, before you cast too much judgement our way, to try a setup like this, with no script. You will likely have issues. I checked the raw length, it was 40:16 of recording
Also, you better watch PFF.. going to give you more of those pauses..
@@3DMusketeers back seat video creators up in these comments. Lol. Good video man
This guy has too much time on his hands to complain about this. If you don't like the video, don't watch it .
Actually, with the exception of the extruders, this machine has NO torque. Linear motors = linear force, not twisting force.
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So.. what is it called then? Because it's resisting motion and has inertia?
@@3DMusketeers Torque is defined as twisting force. In a conventional 3D printer, rotary motors are used to move the axes, and they do have torque - because they are rotating, and applying twisting force to the pulley, leadscrew, or ballscrew (depending on the specific component in question). But, because there's no twisting involved with the linear motors, there's no torque. In this case, it's linear force that the linear motors are generating - and in general usage, the term "linear" is omitted and it's just called force.
Force is a basic unit, so it's units of measure in the Imperial system (i.e, English units) are Pounds, Ounces (1/16th of a Pound), or (if the metric system is being used) Newtons (which is 0.10197 Kilograms).
The units of measure for torque that are commonly used for stepper motors are Ounce-Inches, which is an ounce of force acting at a radius of one inch. In metric units, Newton-Centimeters are used, which likewise, is a Newton of force acting at a radius of one Centimeter.
Inertia is the resistance of an object to acceleration, and is proportional to its mass. It's why an object does not go flying off at infinite speed when touched by another object (even something as small as a single electron). The more mass an object has, the more inertia it has, and the more force it takes to make it accelerate at any given rate.
Wow, thank you for that detailed response! I will see what numbers we can get from Peopoly on it! Thanks for the correction. I will have to reference this in later videos!
Not a single example of something printed
You didn't watch through enough, but as we discussed, it's firmware issues and humidity issues plaguing us at the moment
Tradeoff is magnets are quite heavy so carriage speed movements will be slower
Speed depends on not just carriage mass but also power of drives, and the drives in this machine seems to be quite powerful.
Machines being driven to faster speeds than most hotends on the market already. If you need faster more machines is the real answer.
you can run the mag system as fast if not faster than normal core xy setups and such.
Looks like a X1C
Nope.. not even close.. because the corners are rounded? It's double the size
I can only judge what I see in the video 😅 that's my opinion. I think it's very beautiful, and the thing with the magnets is super fascinating, I didn't know such a thing even existed.
The electronics are totally different, so is the basic design, 4 leadscrews vs 3, and 4 motors vs 1 lol
am i the only one thinking this looks like a X1
it looks nothing like an X1...
Calm down on channel plugs pls holy crap.
Oh, you mean calm down telling people to like and subscribe? Things that cost you nothing but help me pay the bills? Come on man.. every channel does it.. We have quite high expenses for making these videos. But you know, you can help offset those costs by becoming a channel member supporter and at the $10 tier and higher you can join our private Discord where you can hear these messages early and often!
Typical wall outlet 15 amps, if old, might trip at around 1500-1800 watts.... good condition ones maybe more, not much.
20 amps can run around 3000-3800 watts if you're lucky, brand new.
You can run several printers on a single breaker, if they're i3 /mk3s (i4 etc). A few BL X1Cs etc.
1000 watts just for the bed? You can run MAYBE 2 of those on a 20 amp breaker / outlet.
I had to install a sub panel with extra breakers so I could run my handful of printers + pcs + power tools.... expect to dedicate an entire room's power just to this printer with lights and a laptop, rpis etc.
Thank you for the pre-production review.
Can't wait to see the production state.
at full tilt its about 1200 watts heating and around 300 when printing. 3X that of an MK3 on printing and 5x on heating from our testing.
Thankfully you can turn the pwn cycle down and not care
I wanna give you business but you dont believe me or wanna say no haha. Do i have to email you or something haha. I can call.
Sweet printer though man
I've never said no lol. You can email or call if you want to work with us :)
@3DMusketeers haha I know brother. I'll call you next week. It's a gift for my wife's bday and I don't have an xl. I don't expect any deals or anything either. If you can't do it I'm sure you k ow someone who can. Thanks brother, tell your bro I said hi.
can do!