Sony A7S III vs BMPCC6K | Camera comparison
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- CAM A: BMPCC6K
CAM B: A7S III
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Lol 😂😂
No kidding, my wife would have been out of there after the second set up.
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Thought for sure that Cam B was the BM...was super stoked to be wrong!
meaning you prefer the Sony?
@@sonnybrown4758 yes!
Same here, sony a7s3 is amazing, I think it captured more detail especially in the hair by a bit
same.. lol maybe he mislabeled
me too
I also own both cameras and can't really tell, which one I like better. They have different purposes to me. I prefer the A7SIII for traveling, run and gun, extensive gimbal shoots and really low light. In those cases the autofocus, dynamic range, full frame sensor and the compact and lightweight body just come in handy. 120fps is also great. For any planned shoots I still really like the BMPCC6K for it's image, the BRAW format, being able to punch in from 6K, the easy menu and display options. Two really great cameras.
the menu is awesome on bmpcc
but i sure do like the autofocus on the sony's
Planning on selling my kidney to buy both cameras
Really helpful info planning to get one of these two this year, thanks man. What’s your thoughts on the ursa mini vs these two ?
@@nikosantoss I think the Ursa (G2) has about half a stop more dynamic range than the BMPCC 6K. You also get the benefits of more ports, including SDI, XLR, internal optical NDs, significantly shorter Rolling Shutter times than the BMPCC 6K (about on par with the A7SIII), Genlock (which is important if you're going for virtual production). On the other hand, the form factor and weight can be a concern depending on the use-case. Considering the image alone, it's also questionable if the slightly better dynamic range is worth the money (and it's "only" 4.6K).
And if you need the additional ports, timecode, internal ND, etc. there are also a bunch of other cameras to consider (C70, C300 III, FX6, FX9).
most helpful comment in a 5 hour long journey of research tonight. I have the BMPCC4K and I ordered the A7Siii but tonight bm launched the BMCC6K PRO and I was wondering wether I should cancel my Sony order and get the new BM plus a couple o decente lenses for the same price. But it is as you say, as my work varies a lot, I will fare better with two cameras for different purposes even though I also film a lot of multicam and that will be a pain to equalize
Wow, the low light test is really surprising. BMPCC looks fantastic
He shot it in slog 3 which if you didn’t know is notoriously bad for low light. It should have been shot in still which gives you much cleaner shadows. However I was very surprised with black magic in the low light tests too. I got my guess wrong. Hahah
@@BransenPass slog 3 is better for lowlight because this profile push up shadows, wich you push down in post, and you can save more details in shadows, when you use slog3
Because gamma curve in pp off already aplyed and your shadows are right in hell
And best signal to noise ratio also in slog3 on iso 800 and 12800
I could tell right off the bat which one was the Blackmagic 6K because it rendered skin tone better. The Sony is impressive as well
Yeah good point maybe thats why I prefer the 6k as well.
They both are amazing to tell a story, it just depends which one is more convenient for your workflow.
Yep!
Yeah but that davinci resolve + black magic RAW workflow is amazing. The bmpcc raw files are easier on my laptop to edit compared to the files out of my mavic 2. Its wild 👍
@@baqcasanke yeah, but that gyro for stabilizing footage though 😁
@@petero1068 Filmmaking has fine before gyro or AF...
@@hawjtsim true, it was fine before ARRI LF too...but once you experience it... its tough to go back.
I was able to tell in the first 3 scenes due to these factors -> lack of handheld IBIS in bmpcc6k, improved dynamic range of a7siii, cropped image on a7siii, and difference in color. This new sony model maintains the naturally dreamy color science that they have developed over the years, whereas blackmagic has more mild tones without shooting raw. great video!
isn't spoused to be the opposite? a7siii is a full-frame, and the bmpcc6k is supper 35, I own bmpcc6k and looking to switch to a7siii because of the crop and the low light issue, I think he confused the A & B, also see 4:20 - there is no way that the bmpcc6k is better then a7siii in low light
I know this is a comparisons and not a "better-than" video, but it highlights what I feel has been a trend for quite some time now. I think we should stop looking at which camera is "better" and really realize that it's actually much easier to find a great camera than a bad one now. The image out of most cameras made in the last, oh, 10 years is pretty great. Using most cameras made in that time span is a pretty good experience too.
It's reached a point where people really have to nitpick in order to find things about cameras that stand out. "Oh, well this camera has a little more jitter than that camera." or "The skin tone in that camera is SLLLIIIIIGHTLY cooler than the one in this camera."
Shoot, you could buy an entry level $200-300 camera with a kit lens and when you learn how to use it you're going to get great results.
What I take away from this video is that both of these particular cameras are fantastic options and the differences are negligible.
Agree with everything you just said :)
You’re absolutely right, I think we just need less excuses especially some of us who aren’t pros 😂
You pretty much nailed it.
With the right luts and filters, the Sony can look damn near identical as the BlackMagic. They ALREADY almost look super similar to begin with.
The reality is that most of us wouldn’t even think twice about the difference between a BM or Sony camera if we were watching this on social media or TV lol.
I concur. It’s pointless to stress over what camera is “better” since most cameras perform quite well over the past couple of years. Learn and master the equipment you already have and you will be far more productive. Ultimately, especially with filmmaking, you’re going to be way more motivated to shoot when you can just go out and, ummmm….shoot, rather than setting yourself back because the subtle tech differences become a roadblock, thus, preventing you from actually producing anything at all. It becomes depressing, less motivating and in the end…..counterproductive. So many people have the “best” camera and nothing to show for it. Compromises will always have to be made. Period. As for me, I’m still shooting with a GH4, though I my end up switching over to BM at some point since I started using Resolve which would just make things easier for me in Post. I’ll also be able to keep using the lenses I already have. This video was great and very informative by the way, although I’m a little late to the party ahaha
I thought the cam 1 as sony the entire time, because of the sharpness. Blackmagic surprised me with such details.
Same here
I don't understand everyones obsession with sharpness, it's not pleasing when it comes to skin rendition, I don't want to see every pore of her face
@@AlpacaDiaries Those pores can be controlled in DI, but seeing the face like in real helps..
For me, it was the wide angle look + the shallower DOF that gave it away.
I love the A7S3, but I like shooting braw internally without having a seperate recorder.
Exactly !! but seems like A7S3 is more vibrant ? I was expecting better results from Blackmagic
The greens in the skin tones gave it away for me with the Sony lol
Right from the first set, the DOF on the full frame gave it away. I like how you cropped in to confuse us too =D
yep... and not just the DOF... but larger formats render the perspective different. I much prefer the large-sensor look. Though Blackmagic has WAY BETTER colors than Sony.
Thanks Matteo! I was feeling really great about my A7siii until exactly this moment :-) On a practical note, and I'm not a colorist..but would it be possible to just reduce or shift the offending tones from A7siii for a better match with the clearly superior Blackmagic? Or have you already done that here?
Hey Brandon! The A7S III I think is the best mirrorless camera Sony ever made, but checking even the log image it seems there’s a lot of green and yellow in the image. Definitely fixable with some basic color grading and easy to match with a Blackmagic camera, but what concerns me the most is the horrible performance in low light up until ISO 10000. I honestly can’t understand why this camera can’t be as clean as the A7S II at ISO 1600/3200. Did you notice horizontal noise at those ISO in low light conditions? I am wondering if they can fix it with a software update! Big fun of your work BTW!
@@matteobertoli Thanks, I have been testing the Buttery LUTs w/a7siii, to mixed success. Slog3 is tricky. I don't see banded noise (fixed pattern) but I do see a lot of chroma noise. I usually only shoot base ISO's - 640 and 12800 - and I overexpose as much as possible until my histogram almost hits 100 IRE. I adjust my variable ND or aperture/shutter for each shot. Images are quite clean once I drop it a couple stops in post. But yeah, shadow noise is a nightmare on a7siii. Worse than a7sii, I think.
Interesting so 12800 ISO is an actual second native ISO? Not just noise reduction? Did you get the updated BUTTERY for the A7s III? We fixed an issue with the green tint. Drop me an email if you didn’t get it: info@butteryluts.com.
@@matteobertoli 12800 is indeed a second clean ISO for slog3, though not officially recognized as "native" by Sony (for whatever reason). 12800 has sharpening and noise reduction in the shadows if you use internal recording. Prores Raw does not have these issues. I have Buttery v2, I assume that's the latest? I still see some magenta or green on some shots, still figuring out why. Slog3 is very inconsistent. I recommend you try Standard pic profile, shadows raised and highlights reduced, just to see the color reproduction. It's quite nice, though a bit over-hyped compared to Blackmagic. I've had a lot of trouble getting my slog3 skin tones to match Standard.
Interesting! Wondering why they don’t advertise it as dual native ISO. For Sony yes, we released the A7S III Natural v2. I think it works way better, but there might still some green in the image. Keep in mind variable ND cause a significant green tint in the image. So that might be the issue. Anyway, feel free to email me if you need anything!
I'm surprised by how much better the bmpcc6k looks. Even the night shot it looks so much nicer. Great test
extra resolution and bit rate definitely helps when suppressing noise.
They basically look indistinguishable in almost every shot.
Wow, how interesting. I actually thought the comparison would be the opposite way around as I currently own neither for bias. I found Cam A held much better focus around the edges of the subject where Cam B went in and out of focus but Cam B for sure had more of a cinematic feel like movie / music video than just a vlog feel that I got with Cam A
Great comparison. I'm surprised how well they match! The main giveaways are the reds. The Blackmagic has reds that leans a bit towards magenta color while the Sony reds are more red. Now that Sony can record 10-bit internally and 12-bit raw externally they can probably be easily matched. Thanks for sharing!
Sony can shoot 16 bit raw externally
@@Akhi_Tech it outputs 16 bit raw according to the spec sheet, but I don’t believe any recorder in the market can encode it to anything higher than 12 bit.
@@GuyCassidy I don’t know about that but it’s an edge 👍
@@Akhi_Tech Not an edge because it can't output 16bit raw. They are all 12-bit with an external recorder.
@@nigerian-nightmare you are correct. ProRes Raw only in 12-bit log. It’s also true that 12-bit log is visually indistinguishable from 16-bit! Saw this on the DP journey but still excellent. Codec wise, BRAW and ProRes Raw will both be on par.
One thing I notice in a lot of comparisons with the BMPCC6K is that it does a really nice job of desaturating the super bright parts of the image. I think that goes a long way to giving it that "cinematic" or film look. It was clear in this comparison and the one with the XT4 that even though the dynamic range is super similar, the BMPCC6K tends to look like it has a softer "rolloff" and less of a video look because it doesn't get nasty saturated colors in the highlights.
The blackmagic looks way better especially when it comes to skintones. The Sony is great but it still has a digital look. I also prefer the fuji xt4 more than the sony it looked better in your previous video. Thanks a lot for these videos. Please try to do a comparison on the canon c70 with the blackmagic6k !
Xt4 is heartbreak nightmare
@@cassijoanna bought bmpcc 4k and selling xt3, it's not close to Blackmagic when it comes to color/detail/film look. The price of xt3 is good, AF is nice, but it has digital look compared to pocket
man Black magic is just gorgeous and has such a big cinema look
Amazing. Did not imagine that the BMPCC6K was so superior to the Sony A7SIII: Better color with no green bias, better global definition, much better skin tones and, surprisingly, better image even in low light. But, I do agree that the Sony is a more pratical option (batteries and AF) especially for documentaries. For shorts or as a B cam with Ursa or RED as the main ones, I do favour the BM offering.
yep I def agree 100%
My bmpcc6k has a huge green bias, it’s easy to remove, but it’s definitely there!
So the question then becomes... how much do you care about low-light sensitivity, in-body stabilization, weather-sealing, and autofocus?
A7siii all the way!
I totally had the two cameras switched around according to image quality. The BlackMagic clearly had better skin or the most natural. The Sony did handle highlights better and I figured the opposite. Great comparison.
it was also necessary to compare with ninja v, which gives out prores Raw 12 bit
I own the BMPCC4K. And I've liked what I've seen of the A7Siii. But, after watching this, I am more inclined to get the BMPCC6K. BRAW for the win. Great job, Matteo.
On UA-cam especially, there is no noticeable difference between the two cameras...
I can say that my vote is unbiased. I thought this was one of those videos where they will change up A and B. Didn't read beforehand that A is BMPCC 6k and that B is Sony A7SIII.
That being said, here are the clips I thought appeared better in color, detail, and contrast.
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B
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5x votes for BMPCC 6K
3x votes for Sony A7SIII
Unbias towards either.
Easy to say, the BMPCC 6k has a better film look with that 35mm sensor compared to the more digital Sony Full Frame.
Absolutely an incredible video nonetheless.
Cam A has more balanced and natural skin tones. Cam B skins are a bit green-yellowish for my liking. Both produce great images.
i like how you did this, the viewers can make a choice themselves without all the persuasive marketing,
I don’t even own a Blackmagic camera but the image is far superior to the Sony. Sony has great utility however. Makes a great events / videography-gig camera
Thanks for doing this comparison! They look surprisingly similar. I own the Pocket 6K and have been looking for a smaller mirrorless run and gun option, but have had reservations on going that route for an A cam and B cam.
Hello Brother which one is the winner in this camera comparison ?
I liked the A7Siii in every shot. Although I mostly noticed the larger DR and smoother image stabilization.
I do see the skin tone difference, and why people prefer Black Magic’s but to me I don’t think I’d truly notice if it wasn’t in a side by side comparison
Blown away at the low light comparison. Amazed at how bad the a7siii 10000 ISO looked vs 12800. Awesome comparison, Matteo!
When I saw the a7s3 skin tones all I could think of was “I do not like green eggs and ham.”
as soon as there are green colors, the bmpcc reveals itself very quickly. :)
However, I also assigned A to bmpcc in the previous pictures. The picture seems softer to me what I like more.
Clear win by the 2nd or 3rd shot for Cam A from my perspective, but it didn't take long to figure out which was which. Thank you for posting this!
This is the type of content that makes me happy to be a supporter! Keep it up.
Even before looking I could see the characteristics of each camera from jump.
A always looked more filmic, B looks really good but it still looks like a video camera not a cinema camera.
Depth of field is nice, but it does not make a cinematic shot.
Good stuff.
Yepp, and the unstable shale from can A along with the brighter clearer color in the second shots makes it almost too easy to know which one is which
The a7siii really exceeded my expectations, never would have thought that it come out so close to the 6k, but almost from the very beginning I was pretty sure that the cam b was the sony.
The whole time I thought I knew which was which until it got to low light. Then I was like, "Hold up, maybe I was wrong!" Really surprised at how much cleaner the 6k looked in lowlight.
So were both shot in 4k or os the bmpcc in 6k and the sony in 4k?
I sold my Blackmagic for the aSIII. The Sony is just the better overall package. But for the price the Blackmagic is a great camera.
Cam A = BM (micro jitter). I found it a bit more pleasing tbh (maybe it was just the focal length on the sony was a bit too wide). Honestly though, unless you're doing side by side comparisons like this, the footage coming out of pretty much any interchangeable lens cameras nowadays is easily good enough for narratives. I think the only differentiating factors are convenience and flexibility (e.g. raw etc) The only thing i miss from by BM is braw and not having to worry about setting whitebalance.
look at 2:58 they look nothing alike and the a7siii detail is hella low
@@kendrickgray2873 1. didn't say they looked alike 2. specifically said unless you're doing side by side comparisons 3. said footage coming out of generally any camera nowadays is good enough for narrative work. 4. since when does high res = cinematic? 5. it's not less detail (well maybe a little to be expected 6k vs 4k), her face is basically soft because it's paper thin focus mostly on her nose in camB.
@@baddogentertainment6960 that has nothing to do with it. Its the fact that the black magic has less compression than that XAVC codec. From 4K to 6K means nothing unless you are cropping. Compression is everything in this situation. There's a lot of post processing going on in the Sony
The very first shot gives it away with Sony’s yellow-green alien face look. Does Sony deliberately make the skin tones on their mirrorless cameras look so bad?
Bro same thing here. Took me less than 10sec to know it was Sony. Those greens look horrendous. No idea how long it will take to correct this on post, but I'm guessing a good 5 minutes
Standing that close with a 35mm lens on a full frame camera like the FX3 will be unflattering for any talent, which I feel definitely helped me like the BMPCC footage more (as it forced you to back away from the talent); I feel like to be fair the distance should have remained the same with different focal lengths to show how you'd accomplish the same framing given the limitations / strengths of each camera, or cropped in to APS-C mode on the FX3. Anyway, still a cool video and I own neither camera, so thank you for the test!
WOW how did bmpcc6k beat a7siii in low light @ iso 3200 @4:12? look how noisy a7siii is?
Honestly? I was blown away. I didn’t expect that at all. Noise on the sony is ridiculous up till 12800. They really need to fix that.
Bad exposure. You always have to expose brighter with Sony cameras when using log, then compensate in post. If Matteo choose another non-log profile to shoot, ISO3200 would be perfectly clean with the same exposure. Check Peter Lindgren's last video in "Rivals" , correctly exposed shots at ISO40000, and perfectly clean.
No doubt the A7s iii and all these other full frame/mirrorless cameras are great cameras that can handle a lot of tasks. But once you record and grade in Blackmagic RAW, you pretty much never want to go back. There is an undeniably filmic quality to BRAW footage. When you use the new HDR grading in DaVinci it feels like a CRIME to have that much control over your image in post. It still ultimately takes a lot of work to make a DSLR image feel more like cinema camera image - obviously doable, but still much more work, and with ultimately less control. Cinema cameras take a little more work out of the box and require more rigging, but the level of control you ultimately get over your image is hard to beat if your primary goal is creating filmic images.
Blackmagic's silver bullet is and always will be their overall ecosystem.
Well the A7SIII/fx3 are applying the noise reduction too heavy. Only the fx6 is able to turn the internal noise reduction off and looks more or less like the BMPK.
I really like the Sony in the daytime and better lit shots. The night in low light footage I really like the black magic. I really believe color grading is the secret to all of the camera shootouts.
yo digo que en el día e parece mejor las blamagic por el balance de blancos, colores y detalle...en la noche y con poca luz es mucho mejor la Sony, ya que no sufre mucho con la exposición, no fuerza mucho, mejor color, mas detalles, etc.
Thank you. Great comparison! I think each camera has its own way to shoot in order to have a cleaner image. The A7Siii second native iso is at 12800, so it needs to be shot at that ISO. We cannot compare to ISO to ISO on different camera.
pocket still has a more cinematic creaminess to it but wow Sony is impressive !
I thought the exact opposite. Maybe I got my letters mixed up.
@@wungabunga yeah I definitely though b cam looked way more cinematic
The moment I’ve been waiting for! Time to see if I can supplement my BMPCC 6K with a A7siii for my weddings!
which one is better
? :)
camera A - BMPCC6K
edit: I knew I was right
I don't know why but dynamic range at high iso looks better in black magic but black magic has slight magenta tint to it
3:50 look at the dynamic range
4:47 black magic has little magenta tint to it
I feel like the Buttery LUTs aren't optimised for the new colour of the Sony A7Siii. Do you feel like you could get the same pleasing colours from the Sony if you were as used to it as to the Blackmagic cameras? My other observation is that most of the compositions looked better with the bmpcc6k super35 sensor. I feel like you always composed with the 6k and tried to match it with the Sony with the same lens, by getting closer. This was an advantage for the 6k (also you know how to compose for that camera very well.) This was the main giveaway also, you can see cam B is a bigger sensor, cam B would have looked better with a 50mm lens most of the time, from the same distance as cam A. The Sony being too noisy below 12800 ISO doesn't bother me, I would always choose better sensitivity because I can always make the image darker with ND, but usually I cannot make it brighter without compromise in noise levels. I would basically use the Sony as a dual gain camera, always sticking to 640-1000 ISO or fixed 12800 (with ND if needed).
Yes, the LUTs are optimized for the Sony, we released a new version specifically for the A7S III. And no, all the first shots were done with the A7S III first and the Pocket after. And yes, the insane amount noise below 12800 is incredibly annoying and Sony needs to fix this. I definitely won’t running around with ND at night.
@@matteobertoli I see, so you get a different, camera specific LUT for the A7Siii, the A7iii or the FS7 in the Sony bundle?
@@matteobertoli Want less noise before ISO 12,800? Don't shoot in S Log 3, it's that simple. If you shoot in Cine 2 or HLG1 the dual gain is at 1000, in HLG 3 it's at 2000. The DR will still be better than the BMPCC in these other picture profiles. That being said, S Log 3 at iso 12,800 is no different than Cine 2 at ISO 1000 when you factor in how you should be exposing S Log 3 to the right.
Curious on how you expose slog3 since Sony doesn’t have false color
I guessed it right away! Yet i was a bit shocked coz the a7siii lost focus in some shots which gave me some doubts
Thanks. BM6k is the nicest looking. But note to you Matteo. Its pretty easy to see what is what when you have stabilizing on one of the cameras....... Because only one of them have that build in.
It was off. It was more stable simply because it was wider. You have way more stable footage when you shoot 35mm vs 50mm. On the Sony the 35mm was an actual 35, while on the Pocket it was a 50mm.
I actually think I like the smaller sensor look vs full frame. It’s a classic look.
I still don't understand how you can tell what's full frame vs crop
This is the usual argument by people trying to justify smaller/crop sensor lmao. In fact it's the usual point when people try to justify the inferior product. "It has a certain character to it", "It has a classic look", "It has a cinematic look to it"
@@AQHackAQ Alexa 35
That yellow tint I hate it I would never ever buy sony unless they fix it thanks for the review
you can shoot prores raw to the atomos though, and change the colours to whatever you want though
@@legendp2011 True But then u lose the small mirrorless body :(
@@legendp2011 you can change the colors internally too lol. 10 bit is pretty solid for that. That said, theyre made for different shooting types. And if you really want to, in the white balance settings, you can do custom color balancing, or in your profile settings, choose a profile to be more magenta than green
I knew it after 5 seconds because if you film with an apsc and a fullframe sensor you need to use different lenses. 35mm on the apsc and 50mm on the ff to get the same frames. But besides that... really nice footage, beautiful model and both very nice cameras!
The micro jitters in the Pocket 6k give it away every time. Plenty of argument to be made it's overall the better image, but those micro jitters make the 6k footage unusable without stabilization imo. Sony wins there
Thank you for a very interesting test and great that you has match the footage so carefully -It makes it really useful for a real-world decision. (BMPCC6K = half price). From examples i have seen, ProRes RAW on 7S3 seems to give a little better color graduations but not low light improvement. Was you using different distance, or was the 7S3 pictures cropped to fit the BMPCC6K? Or the Sony filming in crop mode?
What lenses did you use on each camera ? And what brands ?
Preferred A. Curious to see how Sony would improve with an external recorder in 12 bit & 16 bit. At 16 bit, it should blow the BM., but there no 16 bit external recorders that I know of right now.
i read the internal a7s3 signal is 12bits (adc) so i don't think an 16 bit recorder change anything... and not sure that prores raw brings more than xavc-i because currently we can't correctly manipulate (iso, color temp) prores raw in editing software like premiere pro.
@@rudolphlagarrigue5072 Guess we'll have to wait for Atomos to release the Neon for us to find out. The Neon recorder supports 16 bit.
@@nicholastoo858 Sony A7s3 is 12bits so ?
@@rudolphlagarrigue5072 external
@@oldyoutubeaccount7056 the encoder chip is 12 bits inside a7s3 how can you belive it could be 16 bits output it's only marketing and so 12bits slog..... no more.
The Sony looked softer, had that weird skin colour. Thought it was closer to a modern digital cinema camera than the bmpcc! Need a lot more info from the uploader.
as far as i'm testing rigth now there are few better profile than slog 3 in low light, unfortunately :-) bmpc beats 7siii for the look itself hands down, maybe the different look of the lens due to the crop sensor on 6k helps also a bit to give a different mood. thanks matteo
Nice comparison! Not 100% sure about this, but I think SLOG-3 needs to be overexposed to avoid a noisy image. I was wondering if you did this. Thanks.
Both are nice
I think it was two different lenses. But, as Sharp as L described, it was the compression difference between the Super 35 vs Full Frame sensors. The moment that caught me was the sharpness of her eyes at the 1:29 mark. And the separation from the background. Beautiful subject, by the way. Very easy to look at.
And that side by side comparison at 1:42. In that moment, to me, B is a clear winner.
Skin tones in the black is definitely better. But in the shot where she opens the curtains, you can see the better dynamic range of the sony. Tks
The skin saturation, noise and micro jitters was all i needed to know which is which.
Just a small reminder, that a slight blue shift in the shadows and magenta in the midtones isn't something that can't be replicated and doesn't make the bmpcc the more "filmic" camera. All these camera experts here shilling for the camera they happen to own lmao
Matteo, I was surprised when I recognized in the video some buildings from my home town (since you live far away in America). I hope you and your beautiful wife had a good time here. Greetings.
Cam B 👍
It’s noticeable that Camera
-A has better skin tones than Camera-B. However, I’m not clear if this a color processing issue or sensor issue. The question is - can they be matched?
Hi Matteo, nice job! It would be very interesting to compare the bmpcc to canon cameras!!
I liked the camera A. Very very slightly more natural picture with this LUT used - less contrast/saturation with cam A, and obviously better at ISO 3200 - 6400. The noise was noticeably bigger in the dark bits of image in camera B at that ISO range.
Blackmagic just look more magenta and Sony more yellow. Contrast settings seem to be lower on the Blackmagic.
Both cameras could be easily matched even closer with additional in-camera settings tweaks and a little touch in post.
I got it right even though I watched the video on my iPhone. I focused on the skin tones and details on the faces, as well as the rendition of reds. Sony has improved a lot in those areas but still tend to lean toward yellow and green and it reds toward orange.
Cam A is the BM with better colour rendition and fidelity in the skin tones (you can almost see the blood flow under the skin which I personally feel is very 'Arri' like) The skin in the Sony, especially on the hands, in some of the shots is a dull yellow colour! I personally find the BM image to be far superior to the Sony! That being said, I used to own the A7III and that camera just makes filming so much fun. In Short - BM all the way :)
I sold my A7Siii for the BMPCC. After getting used to the form factor and power needs, I never looked back. Just be sure to use separate power on your external monitor!
The lack of auto focus stopped me from getting the bmpcc 6k lol a7siii for life
@@jimveybe7689 I shoot music videos the a7siii is godly
Bm has very filmic motion cadence. Noise between 3200 and 6400 really surprised me on A7sIII. I thought it performed much better.
The framing and DOF immediately gave it away once I saw the first Cam B shot. I actually was surprised to see more magenta in the BMPCC6K. The very first Cam A shot had some magenta tones around her nose and I thought that was the Sony, but once they showed the Cam B for the first comparison, I knew it was a full frame shot. I initially liked the Sony better for skin tones when inside by those white walls. Once it got outside around all the green leaves and grass, I liked the BMPCC6k better. Sony was too saturated at that point. And then it was back and forth for a while. Impressive showing by both cameras. I would use either confidently, but having the option of B-raw or ProRes internally with BMPCC6K seems like the better option. Also, you could shoot Braw and then do noise reduction with Davinci Studio because they include a license with purchasing the camera. Raw from the A7siii requires an external recorder and then you'd still have to buy something like Neat Video to do noise reduction. The internal processing of noise reduction on the A7siii looks blah at times.
side by side the camera shake from the BMPCC wasn't just noticeable but became extremely irritating. And while I agree that the image quality was slightly better on the Black magic I think it's way too easy to forget how focus performance and stabilization contribute to an overall higher quality image.
You can fix skin tone in post. Fixing bad focus... not so much.
I think you are confusing image quality with camera operating. In facts you are judging the image quality of a camera based on my focus pulling skills, which is a gigantic nonsense. This was an extremely quick UA-cam test that I put together in 1 hour. Cameras were not rigged up and I didn’t have a follow focus nor a monitor built on the camera. The point of this video was showcasing the image quality, not my operator technique. If you wanna see some real work go to my website: www.matteobertoli.me ;) Oh, and I am sorry you are so irritated... Was’t my intention.
@@matteobertoli I don't doubt your skills for a minute! Please don't take that the wrong way! I know exactly how much work goes into even the quickest videos! That being said, autofocus is taboo in our industry (at the level you and I usually shoot at) but is a super valuable tool that can and does improve overall image quality.
Side-note: I will say that I'm disappointed that Sony didn't perform better in this scenario. I feel like I'm constantly making compromises with my Sony cameras, but mostly in ways that are manageable.
How do you use AF with a 1985 Leica R? Again, focus pulling has nothing to do with image quality, so not really sure what you are talking about here.
Highlights roll-off of the BMPCC 6K are AMAZING! winner!
Hi Matteo, did you use IRND's with the Blackmagic? Because there is still some IR pollution visible in for example the hat at 1:40.
I use IRND
Love both tracks, could you say me the names of the songs please??
Thanks for doing this comparison
Im late but I could tell cam b is the a7s III not because of the image quality but the ibis
as an a7siii owner im kinda bummed to see black magic look nicer! I do think putting a black promist filter on the lens makes it look more "cinematic". For my style of run and gun shooting I love the a7siii and don't regret the purchase at all. I wouldn't use slog3 in low light situations unless its dark enough to crank it to 12800 iso which is weird but also quite amazing how clean it looks even up to 40,000. Its actually sometimes better to put a nd filter on to stop it down and crank up the iso which seems to go against everything I have learnt about past cameras! otherwise hlg3 works well in low light and has pretty decent dynamic range
Maybe is too late but, how's about the footage size? I mean, Which camera needs more storage? Is seem weird but have a really good looking image in less space is better when you produce a lot of videos
Were these both shot in manual focus? It seems like the A7siii was in auto-focus but I'm curious!
Yes, Leica lenses don't have AF
Is that in pro res or just internal sd card with a7siii?
You mentioned you had trouble with Zve1. Is it same as a7siii or do they differ at all?
Same sensor
Hi Matteo! Nice jobe like always! The micro shake on the pocket spoiled everything :D despite the excellent conforming you did. The final iso battle is incredible, especially when sony switches to 12800! Alessandro
Thanks for the vid i know which acamera to buy now!
I just happen to see a video where someone pointed out that the a7sIII has a dual iso at 12800 and the noise disappears. Between 3200 and 12800 it gets noisy fast. Both look very good and depends on usage.
Thank you. Surprised to see the Pocket 6k do so well at 6400 iso. Great test. The dynamic range looks pretty close what do you think based on you experince?
Both cameras are amazing, it’s just a matter of what you’re doing that really makes the difference and a whole lot less about which camera is better at recording and more about which camera is better for your needs, if you’re trying to film events and need to be able to pick up your camera and go then as a videographer you should go with Sony, if you’re trying to make films or do commercial shoots where everything is planned out then it’s cinematography so obviously the BMPCC is what you wanna aim for, either way they’re both amazing cameras for both sides of the fence to enjoy
They both look great. Does the 7s have way better battery life?