I know most reality shows are fake and they select people to increase drama but I genuinely believe they were not expecting Bruno to keep saying the n word and they didn't know what to do
The second Bruno saw a show mentioning blackface, He already started the waiting line to audition, any way to let out them pent up n words, he's collected throughout the years
@@JinStreams exactly. They saw his dumb rap and knew he was going to be racist. I just think they weren't expecting to need the Papa John's n word coach
she was so normal for a moment. as she was walking away you can see her start tweaking out fighting the urge to say something or do something. i find you fascinating...
Nick is the only glimmer of hope in this show, almost entirely because he refuses to engage in the farce. Basically just "go off king, give us nothing" (in a supportive way)
Yeah all the people around him are like "look at his poor attitude, he's the problem" and no one stops to wonder if his "attitude" is just him reacting to the nonsense around him
To me it seems like Nick is just the basic teenage boy level of "angry, hurt, confused" or "anti-authority", overall he's a very calm person. Of all people in the house I think he has it the hardest. Most teenagers are confused trying to find their identity and now he is put into very strange situations. Like when that white guy in the etiquette class kept saying the n-word. When the whole world is pushing you to "be more white" and make white people accept you while still wanting to stand up for yourself and not diminish your "blackness", you'd be torn. It's like he never get's to just be himself, he always has to navigate these complex and loaded situations and he is kind of expected to know the "right" thing to do to make a good example for the audience watching the show.
@@brandimoon3365 i think that clip where he is sort of rude may have just come from a sort of defensive place. she started off asking about school, while he was in trouble for that whole knife-carrying ordeal and not going to school. he probably felt as though he couldn't relate to her, or thought she might be judgemental about it. i think he came off in the show as liking rose, save for that scene. in the final episode, he basically says that he wishes rose (specifically) well and good luck in the future, but has basically nothing to say to her parents haha. i think rose did a good job listening and trying to learn from them, despite the show's premise being problematic lol. i can only really remember nick being 'rude' to her in that scene, where he is dismissive about her asking questions? and i can remember rose suggesting that nick seemed like the kind of guy she might have a crush on lol. so, she may have been a little annoying to him at times from his teen-angst pov. maybe he was expecting her to be more judgemental. i went through something slightly similar regarding school and being really isolated from teens my age due to not going to school or relating anymore, and there was sometimes a feeling of shame and embarassment and even slight resentment/jealousy over time when you start to miss school. i tried to avoid discussing school, but i'd feel a pang every time one of my friends would casually mention school. ultimately, he probably got a better understanding of her. she seems to be a considerate person, and i really never sensed animosity between them. the questioning scene made me laugh pretty hard though. 😆
I felt Nick and Rose were the only ones genuinely trying to understand each other. I think they were both also trying their best grasping the topics of the show, whilst also navigating being on camera whilst doing it. I wish the both of them the best in life.
@@Rushboat I think they were 100% justified with their stance against Bruno & Carmen. But it did feel like it sometimes put a lot of pressure on Nick to react, who as a teen doesn’t necessarily managed his priorities yet. You can’t blame them though, because they probably wanted to ready/protect him for all the horrible shit people like Carmen & Bruno put into the world.
@@alexiswoodberry9119 Carmen was acting like interacting with black people was the same as going on a pre-k school trip. I wouldn't blame anyone for getting a restraining order against her lol
Until recently it seems like it was common to pretend and to outwardly show support for the government and military and police and the country as a whole. Despite not feeling that way, people acted like those things were perfect. It’s pretty recent that people have been so openly and boldly anti-cop or government or military
@@christalcavanaughthat is definitely not true, if anything its the other way around tremendously. There really hasn’t been anything comparable to the big fights that people used to put up in the past
Honestly, it's kind of depressing that Brian and Renee acted more parental towards Rose than we ever see Rose's actual mother act during the run of the show. :(
Thank you!! I was just searching the comments to see if anyone else remembered watching this already but it was also just uploaded so my brain was gaslighting itself
waiting for the black. white supercut thats all 6 reactions back to back unedited edit: the only editing is "prejudism" in the dark souls font dropped in now and then
Frankly I think this show framed this whole thing in a way that made the black family look like they were "wrong" about racism and needed to be "educated" about it. I say that as a white guy, this show *really* gave way too much benefit of the doubt to Bruno and his family. Like, you guys in this video keep pointing out how nobody is bringing up the white dad and his *out in the open racism* but every opportunity the show takes to make the Black family look like people who are overly exaggerating the racism they face, they do. They constantly frame the son as if he is the "reasonable" one for "not feeling affected by racism," then focus in on his parents trying to get him to understand that racism IS still a problem and that he WILL be impacted by it as if they are trying to force some racialized ideology onto their son who is just concientiously objecting to their "racist" view of the world. Meanwhile the white father *repeatedly* said the n-word in this show, on camera. He repeatedly tells the black family that they are making shit up when it comes to the racism they experience all the time. He barges into black spaces, says routine racist talking points that white people think aren't racist, then plugs his ears and ignores the black people telling him that he's wrong and the show *doesn't show any of the criticism he must have gotten.* It deliberately frames him as if his weird, "black people need to just suck it up and stop playing victims" mentality is 100% correct, and it never actually *engages* with why its very racist to see black people that way. The whole show, at its core, is racist. There isn't any part of it that's trying to show anything about actual, real racism, it is written from a perspective that believes that racism was stopped with the Civil Rights Act and that it's not a problem anymore and that anyone who thinks it is is being hysterical and unreasonable. It drips out of everything they do in the show. The "white" activities like you point out are all pretty much "normal" things to do. ALL of the "black" activities are VERY othering to black people. They don't just take both families shopping one day, then to dinner at a restaurant the next. The blackface woman goes shopping, buys a dashiki, and go to a black church. She doesn't just go shopping with another black person, she goes shopping specifically to go to the black church. A black church is just a church, though. They don't take the whiteface family to a white church, because there isn't really any such thing. Blackness is on display, whiteness is "normal" and the black people's spaces are to be examined by the audience of the show as "other." The black father goes golfing. The white father goes to a black comedy hour and gets angry that they aren't making jokes he gets. They send the black son in whiteface to a *fucking etiquette class* after repeatedly pointing out that he doesn't speak and act in the ways that white society expects of him, and in that class multiple people are *openly, outwardly racist toward him.* Notice how his attitude dramatically shifted after that? I think he realized the framing the producers were putting on him and decided he didn't want to engage anymore. The had just insulted him, degraded him, and put him in a situation where a bunch of white people his age were openly racist both around him and to him. OF COURSE he would be pissed about that. I guarantee you the two families had some kind of argument about that they never released footage of because it was probably *extremely* uncomfortable. I could see a difference in the way they interacted between those two episodes. Maybe it's just the edit, which is always possible, but I think something happened that the show intentionally cut that caused a lot of the tension between the two families that simply wasn't there before. It's really gross, this was a gross show. I can't believe it won awards, let alone that it got approved to film.
i agree! even the “bitch” ordeal feels like it kept getting brought up because that’s probably the only time during filming that carmen was kinda in the right. obviously renee has every right to feel how she felt about it but a majority of the audience would likely feel that renee was overreacting over a misunderstanding and the show milks it, imo. just another bit of framing the black family as overdramatic and the white family as misunderstood. it’s all just very icky. any show that uses blackface as a premise is gonna be a bad and racist show but they really took it to another level with the shit they put renee brian and nick through
even as a white person Rose's choices of words like "inarticulate" feel off. I don't think it's a stretch when her mother is Carmen, who is the queen of choosing the most questionable wording Just thought I'd say that when I heard Jarvis say his feelings about it were a bias/trigger, because I really think there's something to what he was saying I'm not calling Rose a terrible person, of course she's a kid, but that doesn't mean she couldn't have picked up weird ass language from her mom
If rose speaks from the heart and her mom calls it being “articulate,” it makes sense she would use the word incorrectly without having any idea, like you said
This entire show just nonstop puts all the responsibility and workload on the Sparks family. Like constantly expecting them to teach the Wurgles, take any racism on the chin, and just forgive and forget. And then when they understandably get burnt out, everyone's like, "so you're just giving up 🥺? You don't even care?" It's so fucking annoying, and I can't imagine how frustrating it must have been.
Also a really interesting kind of interrogation of Rose as a child actor to a Type A tv mom, not really performing from any internality, but focused on trying to mold herself to the expectations of the adults in her life. Really stifling existence for her
1:00:40 this man is definitely a cop who pretends to be a former gang member to try to "save" kids like Nick. "Yeah I know how to talk street, just say 'homey' a lot right?"
At the very least, extremely prejudiced. "Only criminals carry knives"? Oh, so every woman terrified for their lives in the dark and keep defensive tools on them are criminals? Like that along with the whole "Everyone loves cops" line is just so sick to hear. That kind of absolute thinking is inherently dangerous because exceptions exist and maybe someone hates cops for a reason, maybe someone has a knife for a reason.
That comment from Carmen about him being so fascinating was wild! I had a therapist tell me the same thing after 2 hours of me pouring my heart out in a session. I can only imagine how Nick must have felt!
This is going to sound crazy… but I feel like they aren’t putting Bruno, when he’s in makeup, in situations where he can see true racism cause the producers know he could get seriously hurt. And the fact Bruno doesn’t understand that is more proof to how ignorant he is.
god, i really hope nick is doing well now. he really does seem like he was a good kid who just Really did Not want to be there lol. I feel for him a lot.
Really WISH THEY'D DO A FOLLOW UP "BLACK AND WHITE- WHERE ARE THEY NOW" Type stuff. I'd personally love to see that. Like bring all these people back and do a few interviews.
rose saying she wants to say the truth on stage and starting with the lines "i wake up a little different" and "get past this thing that takes 10 minutes and feels wrong" feels like creeping up to a big reveal
leaving the bit of a potential flash forward to bruno's gravestone just having the n-word on it out of the gold edit is "mad men" levels of advertising for this channel and watching the whole reaction
I think we gravitate towards Nick's indifference so much because hes the most realistic part of the show. The rest of this is so fucking INSANELY ridiculous that it's cartoonish, it all feels acted out besides what Nick gives us. Nick refuses to give a TV response, his reactions are grounded.
My new adhd medication has me fucked up and I spend like 8 hours a day watching sad boyz and I’m running out of content I’m so happy this came out today
this series is so soul-rotting that i can't put it on while doing anything else or it will tank my mood so much that the task becomes impossible really excited to finally watch the conclusion!!!!! ❤
i met my partner january 2022 and showed him allll of my favorite commentary tubers and jarvis livestreams were always on my tv so the first ep was one of the first videos we watched together. We STILL reference "I dont wanna have to watch my WORDDSSSSSAH" 💀🤣
Feels like the show runners are just racist. The “bitch” thing has to be missing context, the way the edit works makes Renee fit a stereotype of being angry and overly sensitive. Then with Brian being cut off by both Bruno and the edit, not getting to explain why he thought Bruno’s logic was bullshit. You mix that with other stuff like the activities they had the families do, music cues, etc
It is one of those obvious observations from the fundamental premise of the show that it almost makes you miss all the other smaller ways that the producers behind this show are racist. like the blackface is so immediately racist that it almost makes their other horrors come across as not worth mentioning.
Re; Nick & school: We never see Rose go to school either, or any of the adults working for that matter (which makes me wonder if they're all actors). None of them are shown spending time socially with anyone from outside the show or doing anything from their actual lives. So I'm guessing unless it was summer break they did the normal hollywood child actor thing & just had a tutor on set
Well with Nick specifically it was established that he had been kicked out of school and thus was straight up not enrolled in school, so I think they were more wondering if he was going to be re enrolled in another school or something or if he was just not going to finish his high school education
The black family are real people not actors (they lived in Atlanta or Michigan before doing the show), carmen and rose are mother and daughter, bruno is Carmen's boyfriend (all of them are from California). I think this was filmed during the summer
you guys are doing so much heavy lifting elevating the quality of this show 😭 Thanks for the good times, gonna go back and rewatch all of my fav vids on this channel✨
35:00 as a white person I don't understand why this lady felt safe leaving her wallet there either..... I could never. I did live some time in South Korea and there it's not just common but pretty much just normal to leave all your valuables spread out ready to steal when you go to the bathroom. It was months before I decided to try it. I was on the phone with my brother and left the phone on the table as I went to the bathroom. I felt so stressed but it was fine when I came back. Still, I didn't try again. It was nice to see that everyone felt safe doing it but I couldn't relax in the bathroom doing it myself.
my sleeping meds hit right as bruno did the Double Hat and I started hate-laughing at him so much I could feel my blood oxygen decrease. what a fucking ride dude
I was literally crying and having a good ol' menty b but now I know there is a reason to live, well 2 reasons and both of their names start with J :D this made my day/night
1:14:00 not to defend Carmen or anything, but shes actually modeling emotions, which is probably something that the therapist taught her or she learned through parenting. Its usually beneficial in conversations like she was having with Nick to disclose your own emotional reactions to things teenagers say, because oftentimes what they say is searching for that emotional reaction. It also lets teens who might have a tendency to repress emotions process them via the adult's response. Its a big part of therapy! Tho if your therapist ever describes you as fascinating, maybe get out of there lol
Brian didn't play basketball, or at least I don't think it was ever mentioned that he did. BRUNO, however, made a big deal about how all the Black guys on his basketball team were mean to him and that's why it's okay for him to be racist now.
i physically recoiled from my computer in horror when she said "i find you fascinating". this is a brand of middle class soccer mom racism that i didn't even know existed.
1:12:19 I was out of school for a long time due to a mix of things and it dose really mess with your social life all of my friends stopped talking to me and my life became very insulted. I was a lot like Nick during this time I didn’t answer questions about my life when people asked and I didn’t try to talk to people because I wasn’t used to it. Being in that situation messes your social skills up for along time maybe forever. I’m so glad you made this point because a lot of people don’t think about just how much it affects someone.
1:26:27 So not only did he say Renee overreacted and misinterpreted what was happening which doesn't really surprise me, he also called Carmen SIMPLE. You're attacking both sides now?? 😭😭
jarvis and jordan litigating these people's feelings and apologies as if they aren't insane people in black face every day 😭 also the "thats prejudism" line lives in my head rent free
The ending scene where they say “we’re linked together for life!” is so funny now in retrospect, knowing that Nick said on his TikTok that none of his family keeps in touch with anyone from the other family lmao.
jarvis you NEED to read the book "black like me" its basically the same thing, white man does black face to experience being black, and its a TRUE story
I've been waiting 2 years for the return of this series. my favorite moments are when Jordan has to physically get up or crawl away 😂 when Jordan said "Reneé.... nice try" I actually weezed 😂
The only thing I can think of with the wallet is that they're maybe a regular and so maybe the staff might keep an eye on it? I'd never leave my stuff anywhere, not even my phone at my desk at work.
Not me actually kinda tearing up at Rose’s genuine letter to everyone, about how she’s learned so much from the Sparks family. Like I want the Sparks to adopt Rose. Carmen isn’t… the worst, but she still kinda sucks ass sometimes 😭 I think Brian is the most normal mfing guy in this whole thing, and both Brian and Renee connected with Rose, which was so wholesome. Rose wanted to connect with Nick but Nick is going through his own issues. And hard agree, he doesn’t owe her interaction. He clearly doesn’t feel comfortable in this shit, and is literally a teenager clearly going through a lot of teenage issues. He acts out or brushes people off, and seems disrespectful, but he’s so young! And he’s got parents who definitely care a LOT about him. Also, Rose absolutely doesn’t need to be around Bruno’s wack ass for a moment longer 😵💫 I gotta look up how they’re all doing today, if that info is available. I have high hopes for the kids, no hope for Bruno, and unsure about Carmen. Renee and Brian, like Jarvis said, aren’t perfect, but it feels like they were trying to be made to look like the wrong ones. 😐 Rose is the definition of “he a little misguided, but he got the spirit” 😭 Nick is misguided and needs to find the spirit 😔 I hope Rose continues poetry if she wants to, even if she doesn’t get good at it for a long time, because it definitely had a huge impact on her. It looked like Renee was writing down her contact info for Rose, and even asked her to call or something when she gets to college, and I really love that. The Sparks family saw that Rose was actually trying, and they wanna support her 😩❤️
i grew up in a neighborhood that was pretty much 50% white people and 50% asian americans, but little to no black or dark skinned people. our school was fairly progressive, but even though we always got the “don’t be racist, kids!” talk basically once a week, i don’t think they did a good enough job. i remember in kindergarten, i was scared to shake hands with a black person because i’d just never seen someone like that before. i feel like this series has educated me more than any “hey kids! don’t be racist!” psa ever could. seeing my very white, very anxiety-riddled 5-year-old behavior reflected in the people on this show (especially when analyzed by black people such as yourselves) made me reflect really fuckin hard on my past and present behavior and look for areas where i could be better. (to be clear: the SHOW- black.white- did not educate me at all, but jarvis and jordan’s commentary did) you two dug way deeper into black culture and experiences than anything my 12 years of school has ever pushed into me and i’m really glad you did cuz i feel like a better person. also it’s just really entertaining lmao. thank you
1:11:00 "I wonder if there's just a human need for connection"..... UH, YEAH? We're social animals, we REQUIRE socialization. Isolation is one of the worst forms of torture to us. Either she's just so ridiculously out of touch she doesn't know that or she's finally realizing hey black people are PEOPLE and I don't know which is worst right now.
idk who will see this but i want everyone to know that these reaction vids have become one of my comfort series. i love the sad boyz, i hate this reality show, i am laughing, i am suffering. 12/10 will definitely watch again
Theres no one is like to hear talk about race relations for over an hour more than Jarvis and Jordan (if only bc they remind me of me and my best friend, who we also happen to be a lightskin nerd duo thats comprised of an American and a Brit... Fucking funny coincidence there lmfao)
I totally understand not responding to people, you don't have to talk to anyone if you don't want, I have autism and have troubling talking to people sometimes, but I genuinely think that Rose was trying to make a connection with Nick. She seemed a little lost, but on the right track. I wish they treated the kids better tbh, cause they didn't deserve any of this. Nick clearly didn't want to be there and he shouldn't of been. Rose kept getting dumbed down and was getting shit from her costars even though she was a teenage girl trying to get by on this show. If the kids (or anyone in general) are uncomfortable, then that should be taken care of off screen, not filmed, edited down, and made it worse. They were teens, they were still learning about the world. They shouldn't have been filmed, this show should've never been made, and I feel horrible for the kids. If the producers(?) were gonna do this, they should've only done it with consenting adults, you don't have to bring minors into it. Idk, hopefully Rose and Nick are alright now. edit: "Went and dug around her (Rose) Instagram and found a post that confirms that Carmen is her real mom! She was dating Bruno at the time of filming, and that, according to Rose, Bruno acted as a step-like parent to her in the 7 years that her mother dated him. While they were all actors, and the last names and their occupations seemed to have been false for the show, they were at the time a family together" - by 0800Spud on reddit.
Bruno reminds me of the saying, "Go through life with the confidence of a mediocre white man.". If he's not the poster boy for that saying. Sorry if that sounds prejudism. 😬😅
I know most reality shows are fake and they select people to increase drama but I genuinely believe they were not expecting Bruno to keep saying the n word and they didn't know what to do
Like even when you select someone for drama and encourage them to act up for the camera, this is too many hard Rs for a standardized racist white man
@@JinStreams the man's an advanced racist
The second Bruno saw a show mentioning blackface, He already started the waiting line to audition, any way to let out them pent up n words, he's collected throughout the years
@@JinStreams exactly. They saw his dumb rap and knew he was going to be racist. I just think they weren't expecting to need the Papa John's n word coach
Carmen being semi chill for five minutes then crawling back into the shadows muttering 'you are fascinating to me :)' is the most villain shit ever
That description made me imagine her scuttling away like a little bug or hooved creature lol
she was so normal for a moment. as she was walking away you can see her start tweaking out fighting the urge to say something or do something. i find you fascinating...
Nick is the only glimmer of hope in this show, almost entirely because he refuses to engage in the farce.
Basically just "go off king, give us nothing" (in a supportive way)
Yeah all the people around him are like "look at his poor attitude, he's the problem" and no one stops to wonder if his "attitude" is just him reacting to the nonsense around him
Honestly though, it's like he's the only one who makes a lick of sense
Irl //looks into the camera like in the office
@@OcarinaLink24 literally this. 😭
"That's prejudism" will always kill me 😂
i saw some stream of a poc guy saying "white supremacism" and i just about died laughing when i remembered that
To me it seems like Nick is just the basic teenage boy level of "angry, hurt, confused" or "anti-authority", overall he's a very calm person. Of all people in the house I think he has it the hardest. Most teenagers are confused trying to find their identity and now he is put into very strange situations. Like when that white guy in the etiquette class kept saying the n-word. When the whole world is pushing you to "be more white" and make white people accept you while still wanting to stand up for yourself and not diminish your "blackness", you'd be torn. It's like he never get's to just be himself, he always has to navigate these complex and loaded situations and he is kind of expected to know the "right" thing to do to make a good example for the audience watching the show.
Yeah, that's what makes it so relieving where he does just stop giving the camera crew anything.
Agreed. He speaks well of Rose on his tiktok so it definitely seems like a mix of editing and a teenage boy being done with production.
@@brandimoon3365 What's his tiktok?
@@brandimoon3365 i think that clip where he is sort of rude may have just come from a sort of defensive place. she started off asking about school, while he was in trouble for that whole knife-carrying ordeal and not going to school. he probably felt as though he couldn't relate to her, or thought she might be judgemental about it. i think he came off in the show as liking rose, save for that scene. in the final episode, he basically says that he wishes rose (specifically) well and good luck in the future, but has basically nothing to say to her parents haha. i think rose did a good job listening and trying to learn from them, despite the show's premise being problematic lol.
i can only really remember nick being 'rude' to her in that scene, where he is dismissive about her asking questions? and i can remember rose suggesting that nick seemed like the kind of guy she might have a crush on lol. so, she may have been a little annoying to him at times from his teen-angst pov. maybe he was expecting her to be more judgemental. i went through something slightly similar regarding school and being really isolated from teens my age due to not going to school or relating anymore, and there was sometimes a feeling of shame and embarassment and even slight resentment/jealousy over time when you start to miss school. i tried to avoid discussing school, but i'd feel a pang every time one of my friends would casually mention school.
ultimately, he probably got a better understanding of her. she seems to be a considerate person, and i really never sensed animosity between them. the questioning scene made me laugh pretty hard though. 😆
The Sparks are better parents to Rose than her actual parents lmao
And better to her than Nick unfortunately
Nooo i was so happy when they talked about her poem it was so cute
I felt Nick and Rose were the only ones genuinely trying to understand each other. I think they were both also trying their best grasping the topics of the show, whilst also navigating being on camera whilst doing it. I wish the both of them the best in life.
And while also being children. Truly a gauntlet.
Honestly I believe that Brian and Renee were willing to try until they had to deal with Bruno and Carmen’s racism.
@@Rushboat I think they were 100% justified with their stance against Bruno & Carmen. But it did feel like it sometimes put a lot of pressure on Nick to react, who as a teen doesn’t necessarily managed his priorities yet. You can’t blame them though, because they probably wanted to ready/protect him for all the horrible shit people like Carmen & Bruno put into the world.
At least in the beginning, for sure. I don't think Bruno and Carmen ever had any interest I'm learning from anybody else though, unfortunately.
@@alexiswoodberry9119 Carmen was acting like interacting with black people was the same as going on a pre-k school trip. I wouldn't blame anyone for getting a restraining order against her lol
"everybody likes cops" in what fucking world😭
Literally in the history of forever there has been a pushback against currupt authority 💀idk what theyre on
I've never liked or trusted cops & I'm a white dude
Until recently it seems like it was common to pretend and to outwardly show support for the government and military and police and the country as a whole. Despite not feeling that way, people acted like those things were perfect. It’s pretty recent that people have been so openly and boldly anti-cop or government or military
@@christalcavanaughthat is definitely not true, if anything its the other way around tremendously. There really hasn’t been anything comparable to the big fights that people used to put up in the past
Honestly, it's kind of depressing that Brian and Renee acted more parental towards Rose than we ever see Rose's actual mother act during the run of the show. :(
ikr, you could really tell carmen was a stage mom
“Lavender blue” sounds like periwinkle to me
Blue? Periwinkle? Magenta 🐾
Periwinkle 😊 Came here to say this!
I was coming to comment this
Got me thinking about Blue's Clues now. 😂
ended them
The fact that I had genuinely convinced myself the final part just didn’t exist
Samee
Thank you!!
I was just searching the comments to see if anyone else remembered watching this already but it was also just uploaded so my brain was gaslighting itself
I’ve been waiting my entire life for this
@@ultraviolettas damn how old are you?? How do u even have a youtube account /j
I mean, the edited version was already out, but yeah I feel you
Truly
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Same though
waiting for the black. white supercut thats all 6 reactions back to back unedited
edit: the only editing is "prejudism" in the dark souls font dropped in now and then
Frankly I think this show framed this whole thing in a way that made the black family look like they were "wrong" about racism and needed to be "educated" about it. I say that as a white guy, this show *really* gave way too much benefit of the doubt to Bruno and his family.
Like, you guys in this video keep pointing out how nobody is bringing up the white dad and his *out in the open racism* but every opportunity the show takes to make the Black family look like people who are overly exaggerating the racism they face, they do. They constantly frame the son as if he is the "reasonable" one for "not feeling affected by racism," then focus in on his parents trying to get him to understand that racism IS still a problem and that he WILL be impacted by it as if they are trying to force some racialized ideology onto their son who is just concientiously objecting to their "racist" view of the world.
Meanwhile the white father *repeatedly* said the n-word in this show, on camera. He repeatedly tells the black family that they are making shit up when it comes to the racism they experience all the time. He barges into black spaces, says routine racist talking points that white people think aren't racist, then plugs his ears and ignores the black people telling him that he's wrong and the show *doesn't show any of the criticism he must have gotten.* It deliberately frames him as if his weird, "black people need to just suck it up and stop playing victims" mentality is 100% correct, and it never actually *engages* with why its very racist to see black people that way.
The whole show, at its core, is racist. There isn't any part of it that's trying to show anything about actual, real racism, it is written from a perspective that believes that racism was stopped with the Civil Rights Act and that it's not a problem anymore and that anyone who thinks it is is being hysterical and unreasonable.
It drips out of everything they do in the show. The "white" activities like you point out are all pretty much "normal" things to do. ALL of the "black" activities are VERY othering to black people. They don't just take both families shopping one day, then to dinner at a restaurant the next. The blackface woman goes shopping, buys a dashiki, and go to a black church. She doesn't just go shopping with another black person, she goes shopping specifically to go to the black church. A black church is just a church, though. They don't take the whiteface family to a white church, because there isn't really any such thing. Blackness is on display, whiteness is "normal" and the black people's spaces are to be examined by the audience of the show as "other."
The black father goes golfing. The white father goes to a black comedy hour and gets angry that they aren't making jokes he gets. They send the black son in whiteface to a *fucking etiquette class* after repeatedly pointing out that he doesn't speak and act in the ways that white society expects of him, and in that class multiple people are *openly, outwardly racist toward him.* Notice how his attitude dramatically shifted after that? I think he realized the framing the producers were putting on him and decided he didn't want to engage anymore. The had just insulted him, degraded him, and put him in a situation where a bunch of white people his age were openly racist both around him and to him. OF COURSE he would be pissed about that. I guarantee you the two families had some kind of argument about that they never released footage of because it was probably *extremely* uncomfortable. I could see a difference in the way they interacted between those two episodes. Maybe it's just the edit, which is always possible, but I think something happened that the show intentionally cut that caused a lot of the tension between the two families that simply wasn't there before.
It's really gross, this was a gross show. I can't believe it won awards, let alone that it got approved to film.
i agree! even the “bitch” ordeal feels like it kept getting brought up because that’s probably the only time during filming that carmen was kinda in the right. obviously renee has every right to feel how she felt about it but a majority of the audience would likely feel that renee was overreacting over a misunderstanding and the show milks it, imo. just another bit of framing the black family as overdramatic and the white family as misunderstood. it’s all just very icky. any show that uses blackface as a premise is gonna be a bad and racist show but they really took it to another level with the shit they put renee brian and nick through
It's like a lasagna of new and unique forms of racism manifesting at every stage of this horrid show.
even as a white person Rose's choices of words like "inarticulate" feel off. I don't think it's a stretch when her mother is Carmen, who is the queen of choosing the most questionable wording
Just thought I'd say that when I heard Jarvis say his feelings about it were a bias/trigger, because I really think there's something to what he was saying
I'm not calling Rose a terrible person, of course she's a kid, but that doesn't mean she couldn't have picked up weird ass language from her mom
honestly carmen sounds like my mum, which is crazy bc my mum grew up in mostly black countries😭🥲
If rose speaks from the heart and her mom calls it being “articulate,” it makes sense she would use the word incorrectly without having any idea, like you said
"That‘s prejudisim 😕" I CACKLE EVERY SINGLE TIME 😭
same, i can’t get over the “PREDJUDISM FELLED” bit
This entire show just nonstop puts all the responsibility and workload on the Sparks family. Like constantly expecting them to teach the Wurgles, take any racism on the chin, and just forgive and forget. And then when they understandably get burnt out, everyone's like, "so you're just giving up 🥺? You don't even care?"
It's so fucking annoying, and I can't imagine how frustrating it must have been.
I feel like the girl saying Rose is writing about what she's told to and not what she wants is calling out the producers.
Also a really interesting kind of interrogation of Rose as a child actor to a Type A tv mom, not really performing from any internality, but focused on trying to mold herself to the expectations of the adults in her life. Really stifling existence for her
1:00:40 this man is definitely a cop who pretends to be a former gang member to try to "save" kids like Nick. "Yeah I know how to talk street, just say 'homey' a lot right?"
At the very least, extremely prejudiced. "Only criminals carry knives"? Oh, so every woman terrified for their lives in the dark and keep defensive tools on them are criminals? Like that along with the whole "Everyone loves cops" line is just so sick to hear. That kind of absolute thinking is inherently dangerous because exceptions exist and maybe someone hates cops for a reason, maybe someone has a knife for a reason.
That comment from Carmen about him being so fascinating was wild! I had a therapist tell me the same thing after 2 hours of me pouring my heart out in a session. I can only imagine how Nick must have felt!
Yeah calling a person fascinating is wild.
I'd say ants are fascinating because they do stuff we don't really understand how etc.
This is going to sound crazy… but I feel like they aren’t putting Bruno, when he’s in makeup, in situations where he can see true racism cause the producers know he could get seriously hurt. And the fact Bruno doesn’t understand that is more proof to how ignorant he is.
agree
god, i really hope nick is doing well now. he really does seem like he was a good kid who just Really did Not want to be there lol. I feel for him a lot.
Really WISH THEY'D DO A FOLLOW UP "BLACK AND WHITE- WHERE ARE THEY NOW" Type stuff. I'd personally love to see that. Like bring all these people back and do a few interviews.
rose saying she wants to say the truth on stage and starting with the lines
"i wake up a little different" and "get past this thing that takes 10 minutes and feels wrong"
feels like creeping up to a big reveal
leaving the bit of a potential flash forward to bruno's gravestone just having the n-word on it out of the gold edit is "mad men" levels of advertising for this channel and watching the whole reaction
"Died by predujism, He won't be missed"
What's this? These boys are not sad. They seem rather joyous!!!
joyous for blackface? cancelled :// /jk
They are channeling the physical pain caused by this show into comedy for the premium viewers
everything you see on the internet isn't real 😢
False advertising smh
It's ok cause this is just for the Gold (Gooold) channel, they're usually much more sad
I think we gravitate towards Nick's indifference so much because hes the most realistic part of the show. The rest of this is so fucking INSANELY ridiculous that it's cartoonish, it all feels acted out besides what Nick gives us. Nick refuses to give a TV response, his reactions are grounded.
He’s the straight man in a terrible sitcom
My new adhd medication has me fucked up and I spend like 8 hours a day watching sad boyz and I’m running out of content I’m so happy this came out today
Lucky.. do you not have like, a job or schoolwork?
I’m a full time student but my classes are all extremely easy and don’t require attention or hard work lol
jordan in the kim kitsuragi jacket????? hell yes
He's practically in a Kim cosplay in this video lol
what we didnt even know we really needed
so glad i wasnt the only one who noticed that :3
this series is so soul-rotting that i can't put it on while doing anything else or it will tank my mood so much that the task becomes impossible
really excited to finally watch the conclusion!!!!! ❤
Excited to sit down and cry for 2 hours 29 minutes and 34 seconds
I'm trying to roll something to help me cope with the second half and I keep stopping to gape at the screen
See I work in insurance, which is the only thing a little more soul rotting. So I watch this to uplift me while working
im only able to stomach the show because of just how great jarvis and jordan are i swear
i bring sort of a nick vibe to all my family events
Sixteen
@@tomysoulsociety sixteen
i met my partner january 2022 and showed him allll of my favorite commentary tubers and jarvis livestreams were always on my tv so the first ep was one of the first videos we watched together. We STILL reference "I dont wanna have to watch my WORDDSSSSSAH" 💀🤣
Feels like the show runners are just racist. The “bitch” thing has to be missing context, the way the edit works makes Renee fit a stereotype of being angry and overly sensitive. Then with Brian being cut off by both Bruno and the edit, not getting to explain why he thought Bruno’s logic was bullshit. You mix that with other stuff like the activities they had the families do, music cues, etc
It is one of those obvious observations from the fundamental premise of the show that it almost makes you miss all the other smaller ways that the producers behind this show are racist. like the blackface is so immediately racist that it almost makes their other horrors come across as not worth mentioning.
I can't imagine leaving my wallet just like... on the counter in a restaurant. Or anywhere.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was set up by the producers
Rose gets so close to getting it right sometimes but then she goes off the road again
0:29 alright i'm convinced. i will pay for the patreon eventually one day when i can afford to.
lmao, first time i ever actually consider it
"prejudism" will never NOT make me absolutely fucking lose it
Nick wasnt even “misbehaving” or anything, i think he was just kinda depressed 😭
"6 seasons and a movie" hell yeah
jarvis what took so long ive been rewatching the other 5 for ages waiting😭thank you brothers
Found Nick on tiktok and he’s been talking lately about this show - you guys should contact him and do an interview
That lady is wild for leaving her wallet at the bar
Re; Nick & school: We never see Rose go to school either, or any of the adults working for that matter (which makes me wonder if they're all actors). None of them are shown spending time socially with anyone from outside the show or doing anything from their actual lives. So I'm guessing unless it was summer break they did the normal hollywood child actor thing & just had a tutor on set
Well with Nick specifically it was established that he had been kicked out of school and thus was straight up not enrolled in school, so I think they were more wondering if he was going to be re enrolled in another school or something or if he was just not going to finish his high school education
The black family are real people not actors (they lived in Atlanta or Michigan before doing the show), carmen and rose are mother and daughter, bruno is Carmen's boyfriend (all of them are from California). I think this was filmed during the summer
The wergals sound like Smurf-like creatures that live under rocks or something
you guys are doing so much heavy lifting elevating the quality of this show 😭 Thanks for the good times, gonna go back and rewatch all of my fav vids on this channel✨
35:00 as a white person I don't understand why this lady felt safe leaving her wallet there either..... I could never. I did live some time in South Korea and there it's not just common but pretty much just normal to leave all your valuables spread out ready to steal when you go to the bathroom. It was months before I decided to try it. I was on the phone with my brother and left the phone on the table as I went to the bathroom. I felt so stressed but it was fine when I came back. Still, I didn't try again. It was nice to see that everyone felt safe doing it but I couldn't relax in the bathroom doing it myself.
my sleeping meds hit right as bruno did the Double Hat and I started hate-laughing at him so much I could feel my blood oxygen decrease. what a fucking ride dude
I was literally crying and having a good ol' menty b but now I know there is a reason to live, well 2 reasons and both of their names start with J :D this made my day/night
girl sameeeeee with the menty bizzy!!
@ultraviolettas omg twins!! Real talk though I hope you're doing alright now :)
So real
Lmao. I thought it said J .D
I thought I was missing some titular character.
menty b 💀 I'm stealing that
1:14:00 not to defend Carmen or anything, but shes actually modeling emotions, which is probably something that the therapist taught her or she learned through parenting. Its usually beneficial in conversations like she was having with Nick to disclose your own emotional reactions to things teenagers say, because oftentimes what they say is searching for that emotional reaction. It also lets teens who might have a tendency to repress emotions process them via the adult's response. Its a big part of therapy!
Tho if your therapist ever describes you as fascinating, maybe get out of there lol
they said prejudism so much I’m worried I’ll accidentally use it in real life
Brian didn't play basketball, or at least I don't think it was ever mentioned that he did. BRUNO, however, made a big deal about how all the Black guys on his basketball team were mean to him and that's why it's okay for him to be racist now.
They probably just got the memory wires crossed
Jarvis and Jordan you two beautiful men. Finally
BeAuTiFuL cReAtUrEs.😂
@h.r.9563 oh no 😅😅
Brian kind of walks like a baby giraffe in his white makeup
I think Jarvis’s face during roses poem is my favorite part
1:27:58 is the perfect recreation of that Shrek meme where he pulls that same side-eye face, and the timing they both did it at was sooo spot on!
Jordan wearing the kim kitsuragi jacket really completes this I think
I said "let's fucking go" outloud for the first time in my life
i physically recoiled from my computer in horror when she said "i find you fascinating". this is a brand of middle class soccer mom racism that i didn't even know existed.
ANOTHER REACTION VIDEO TO
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LMFAO THE INDENTATIONS
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Italian.
Well hold on now that sounds like prejuditionalizationism
1:12:19
I was out of school for a long time due to a mix of things and it dose really mess with your social life all of my friends stopped talking to me and my life became very insulted. I was a lot like Nick during this time I didn’t answer questions about my life when people asked and I didn’t try to talk to people because I wasn’t used to it. Being in that situation messes your social skills up for along time maybe forever. I’m so glad you made this point because a lot of people don’t think about just how much it affects someone.
So glad Jarvis is back here after a year. Please keep uploading to this channel reacting to different (hopefully not black face) shows :D
i knew this would come. my patience rewards me
I need the one hour cut of Bruno practicing in the mirror as well as the Bruno problem counter.
1:26:27 So not only did he say Renee overreacted and misinterpreted what was happening which doesn't really surprise me, he also called Carmen SIMPLE. You're attacking both sides now?? 😭😭
jarvis and jordan litigating these people's feelings and apologies as if they aren't insane people in black face every day 😭 also the "thats prejudism" line lives in my head rent free
We're so back and Jordan with the Kim Kitsuragi fit? Oh yeah.
The ending scene where they say “we’re linked together for life!” is so funny now in retrospect, knowing that Nick said on his TikTok that none of his family keeps in touch with anyone from the other family lmao.
jarvis you NEED to read the book "black like me" its basically the same thing, white man does black face to experience being black, and its a TRUE story
i did need 2 1/2 hours of this. thank you boyz
omg jarvis remembered the password of thid channel!!!!
I've been waiting 2 years for the return of this series. my favorite moments are when Jordan has to physically get up or crawl away 😂 when Jordan said "Reneé.... nice try" I actually weezed 😂
"in.... face" got me
i think this a repost, i feel like i watched this last month
edit: ooh this is the full vod nvm lol
i thought the same! thought it was rly weird that i remembered some parts but a lot of it felt new
It took me a minute too y'all 😂
The only thing I can think of with the wallet is that they're maybe a regular and so maybe the staff might keep an eye on it? I'd never leave my stuff anywhere, not even my phone at my desk at work.
SIX SEASONS AND A MOVIE I’M SOBBING
Woke up to see this. Happy Birthday to me! Thanks Jordan and Jarvis!!
Happy birthday!
The little white girl seems like such a sweetheart but shes just so cringe lmao
Chomping at the bit for new Jarvis live content
I was curious to where Bruno in particular ended up, and in 2016 he released a book of paintings he did??
Not me actually kinda tearing up at Rose’s genuine letter to everyone, about how she’s learned so much from the Sparks family. Like I want the Sparks to adopt Rose. Carmen isn’t… the worst, but she still kinda sucks ass sometimes 😭
I think Brian is the most normal mfing guy in this whole thing, and both Brian and Renee connected with Rose, which was so wholesome. Rose wanted to connect with Nick but Nick is going through his own issues. And hard agree, he doesn’t owe her interaction. He clearly doesn’t feel comfortable in this shit, and is literally a teenager clearly going through a lot of teenage issues. He acts out or brushes people off, and seems disrespectful, but he’s so young! And he’s got parents who definitely care a LOT about him.
Also, Rose absolutely doesn’t need to be around Bruno’s wack ass for a moment longer 😵💫
I gotta look up how they’re all doing today, if that info is available. I have high hopes for the kids, no hope for Bruno, and unsure about Carmen. Renee and Brian, like Jarvis said, aren’t perfect, but it feels like they were trying to be made to look like the wrong ones. 😐
Rose is the definition of “he a little misguided, but he got the spirit” 😭 Nick is misguided and needs to find the spirit 😔
I hope Rose continues poetry if she wants to, even if she doesn’t get good at it for a long time, because it definitely had a huge impact on her.
It looked like Renee was writing down her contact info for Rose, and even asked her to call or something when she gets to college, and I really love that. The Sparks family saw that Rose was actually trying, and they wanna support her 😩❤️
This is why we don't talk about Bruno
i grew up in a neighborhood that was pretty much 50% white people and 50% asian americans, but little to no black or dark skinned people. our school was fairly progressive, but even though we always got the “don’t be racist, kids!” talk basically once a week, i don’t think they did a good enough job. i remember in kindergarten, i was scared to shake hands with a black person because i’d just never seen someone like that before.
i feel like this series has educated me more than any “hey kids! don’t be racist!” psa ever could. seeing my very white, very anxiety-riddled 5-year-old behavior reflected in the people on this show (especially when analyzed by black people such as yourselves) made me reflect really fuckin hard on my past and present behavior and look for areas where i could be better.
(to be clear: the SHOW- black.white- did not educate me at all, but jarvis and jordan’s commentary did)
you two dug way deeper into black culture and experiences than anything my 12 years of school has ever pushed into me and i’m really glad you did cuz i feel like a better person. also it’s just really entertaining lmao. thank you
1:11:00 "I wonder if there's just a human need for connection"..... UH, YEAH? We're social animals, we REQUIRE socialization. Isolation is one of the worst forms of torture to us. Either she's just so ridiculously out of touch she doesn't know that or she's finally realizing hey black people are PEOPLE and I don't know which is worst right now.
Is Jordan wearing a Kim Kitsuragi jacket or am I just obsessed with Disco Elysium?
yup he is, so awesome :3
Oh no, not the Scared Straight sequence...
We took him to the poor neighborhood to keep him from joining a gang😂😂
That's so weird to just leave your wallet out, like at least put it in a bag or something💀
Really like these boys… sad that they don’t have a podcast
idk who will see this but i want everyone to know that these reaction vids have become one of my comfort series. i love the sad boyz, i hate this reality show, i am laughing, i am suffering. 12/10 will definitely watch again
Babes I might have to watch this on mute with my phone face down
The pillows by Jarvis are giving Bruno's hats.
Theres no one is like to hear talk about race relations for over an hour more than Jarvis and Jordan (if only bc they remind me of me and my best friend, who we also happen to be a lightskin nerd duo thats comprised of an American and a Brit... Fucking funny coincidence there lmfao)
when is the prejudism merch dropping
41:39 the way when Jarvis said that it was exactly what i was thinking about, he clocked me 😭
I love these episodes so much
NOT THE SHOW BTW THE POSCAST
55:07 I can't hear him say "sixteen" normally anymore
I feel bad for the kids who had to wear Blackface. They didn't sign up to be racist - their parents did.
I totally understand not responding to people, you don't have to talk to anyone if you don't want, I have autism and have troubling talking to people sometimes, but I genuinely think that Rose was trying to make a connection with Nick. She seemed a little lost, but on the right track. I wish they treated the kids better tbh, cause they didn't deserve any of this. Nick clearly didn't want to be there and he shouldn't of been. Rose kept getting dumbed down and was getting shit from her costars even though she was a teenage girl trying to get by on this show. If the kids (or anyone in general) are uncomfortable, then that should be taken care of off screen, not filmed, edited down, and made it worse. They were teens, they were still learning about the world. They shouldn't have been filmed, this show should've never been made, and I feel horrible for the kids. If the producers(?) were gonna do this, they should've only done it with consenting adults, you don't have to bring minors into it. Idk, hopefully Rose and Nick are alright now.
edit: "Went and dug around her (Rose) Instagram and found a post that confirms that Carmen is her real mom! She was dating Bruno at the time of filming, and that, according to Rose, Bruno acted as a step-like parent to her in the 7 years that her mother dated him. While they were all actors, and the last names and their occupations seemed to have been false for the show, they were at the time a family together" - by 0800Spud on reddit.
i'd love to see a modern interview with the families and see how they look back on the show now
Bruno reminds me of the saying, "Go through life with the confidence of a mediocre white man.".
If he's not the poster boy for that saying.
Sorry if that sounds prejudism. 😬😅