Heaven's Gate Cult | Marshall Applewhite | Mental Health & Personality
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the mental health and personality characteristics of the Heaven’s Gate cult and Marshall Applewhite?
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Schizophrenia
1. Delusions
2. Hallucinations
3. Disorganized speech
4. Grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior
5. Negative symptoms like diminished emotional expression or avolition
American Psychiatric Association. (2013). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Arlington, VA: Author.
Raine, S. (2005). Reconceptualising the human body: Heaven’s Gate and the quest for divine transformation. Religion, 35(2), 98-117. doi:10.1016/j.religion.2005.06.003
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3:25 *“Applewhite would be arrested again for stealing a rental car, he said that he was divinely authorized to keep that car. Applewhite was sentenced to 6 months in earthly prison for that offense.”* 😂🤣😭 HAHAHAAAA... I don’t think I’ve laughed this hard in months!
Yeah this actually made me laugh out loud.
It bothers me that so many mock Applewhite (Do) and his work here on Earth. He worked endlessly while he was here to help people achieve the higher level above human. And I don't know why so many refused his message. Because know you see that he was correct and the world is ending and the environment is about to collapse and be recycled just ask he said. Unfortunately I was too young to hear his message at the time.
I noticed that too 😆
@@mattheww797 maybe because he was dangerously insane.... Perhaps you are too?
Taro Boba If everything he said came true then how can u say he was insane?
Get out of bed, make morning coffee, turn on UA-cam, new Dr Grande video. It's a bit like clockwork now. Never disappointed. Excellent work as always, Dr G.
Lol same
Nope, Dr Grande is an evening channel :)
How about go outside first and smell some air?
I watch it morning & night, these days
A coworker's aunt was one of the members of that cult who took their lives. It's easy to make fun of these people...that is until one of their family members can look you in the eye and you can see their grief. So awful all of this is.
Evolution in action. Natural selection still works.
I live about ten miles away from Jim Jones' first church. Many people here lost loved ones in Jonestown. There is absolutely nothing funny about cults. They're terrifying and sad and they cause incredible pain for family members.
No,
Humor is mainly a sideway to ease the paint and unfairness if situations like this.
Applewhite was very articulate and smarth, I would have fallen for his teachings.
Same way that your coworker and other people did. They just wanted to find a better way.
In absence of guidance and leadership , human follows everything. No one teaches us how to be the leader of our own life.
I think people are in denial, they want to not see the scary aspects of a cult. Some people do think cults are stupid because they can’t under how almost anyone could submit to a cult but it possible it could happen to anyone. And some people just don’t care since it doesn’t affect “their lives) yes a remeber a kid said that in school when we students watched the 911 on tv. All types of people, but when it does happen and your family is affective then it’s like being in the twilight zone and can’t believe it’s happening.
@@royadartube What? You would have fallen for Applewhite's incoherent ideas? That's quite the tacit admission that you're a follower (not of Heaven's Gate, just life in general) and extremely gullible. Applewhite took advantage of desperate people looking for ANY answer, not an answer that makes any logical sense. It's really sad how easily some people are convinced of absurdities.
"Do not exit your containers until the comet has come to a full and complete stop."
Please keep your shakras in the vehicle at all times.
hahaha
Lol
Lol
🤓 chuckles
Hey Doc, just wanted to say you've really found your voice and style lately and it's been amazing to watch. Interesting video as always, those little jokes you slip in always crack me up
His Homer Simpson quip was fantastic lol
That's why he's one of my favorite UA-camrs of all time
He has a very quick wit
yeah those little jokes are getting more and more Grande...ose... with each new video. 🤭 See what I did there?
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Yep
It was pretty funny
"It's also a term used by Homer Simpson when he makes a catastrophic error"
Wit like a steel blade. In all seriousness, I laughed out loud right there. That was hilarious & caught me off guard.
same lmao
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Holy crap, that was hilarious. Also, "Applewhite was sentenced to 6 months in earthly prison."
yeah that was expert level dry delivery.
I don’t get the Homer Simpson reference, guess I do not watch it enough. To me, this story is totally understandable. And I remember that Hale Bop comet. I watched it from Malibu one night. It was probably on its way to sd county to pick up these Heavens Gate passengers.
My husband has investigated many suicides. The phenomenon of the members acting happy or even feeling elated is a common component of the suicide decision process. Once a person breaks with reality and decides to commit suicide, they often act elated or happy. It’s the psychological equivalent of feeling relieved that they have committed to ending their suffering.
Anyone who lives with someone who is at-risk for suicide should watch for a sudden shift in personality from introverted or depressed to an unexpected happy or elated emotional state. This is a distinct warning sign that they are in need of immediate help that should never be taken lightly. Another sign is giving away possessions. (One of this cult’s members gave a necklace to a car wash attendant he befriended right before this tragedy) If an at-risk individual shows a sudden shift in personality as described or gives away possessions, they should be taken immediately for medical evaluation.
This analysis of the Heaven’s Gate event and the psychosis behind cult leaders and followers is excellent.
Thank you for this. Will use this !
Are you saying that wanting to commit suicide requires a break from reality?
but this wasn't the case for Heaven's Gate members as I knew 90% or so of them very well, living with them for 19 years that I was in the group. They were happy because they knew exactly what they were doing and where their Souls would be going. Humans don't all have Souls so that's why many don't think they have souls. However anyone can get a new soul deposit if they prove to the Next Level that they want to know the truth about the reason for the existence of this planet and it's lifeforms and who created all these highly intelligent systems within systems that need to work together to have the entire system work well.
Talk about mental instability. The idea that this much high technology that this planet displays and that these bodies display could come about by random development is about as mentally unstable as can be.
This is (sadly) very true. Especially a newfound sense of frivolity (spending money), carelessness, and out of character outspokenness.
@@3spmSwyhas anyone ever recommended that you have Schizophrenia ? Why did you leave the group? Because they were going to kill themselves ?
I love the way Dr Grande breaks everything down, and presents everything
Me too.
If you were to ask me whom I thought is scarier - Grande or Marshall Applewhite, my vote goes to Marshall Applewhite.
Them: if you want to get views on UA-cam, you need be sensationalist, be super high energy, and use flashy transitions
Dr. Grande: *hold my mental health and personality analysis* 👍🏻
Whaaahahaha haaahahaha hahaha!
I like the energy Dr. Grande portrays so much more. He is interesting and entertaining, without all the extras
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He can be Do, she can be Re, I've always been happy just being Mi.
I would rather so and drink ti.
Kate Maloney: And live in fa fa away ?
Mi? Narcissist much?
@@katemaloney4296 cute.
@@katemaloney4296 🤣
Worth mentioning too, their website is still active and still looks delightfully 90s. Apparently they left one guy alive to manage their internet presence, he still answers emails too
Do you have the URL?
That’s actually scary
The website picture looks like a keyhole. Maybe Applewhite has the key? lol
@@TheCimbrianBull unsurprisingly, it's literally just heavensgate(.)com
(idk if I can post urls, might get removed for spam)
Oh also a fun little tidbit to add, there was a bunch of controversy when rapper Lil Uzi Vert wanted to release an album that used what was basically a modified version of the keyhole image HG use. I believe their media rep wanted to sue, I could be wrong though
Dr. Grande is on FIRE 🔥
“Even if an alien abduction did occur, paying claims would be the least of anyone’s problems because there would have been an alien abduction.” HAHAHAHAHA thank you again for such great serious content infused with humor. This is one of the best channels ever on UA-cam!
Same thing with the zombie insurance, but insurance did offer it to “ease” people’s minds. I still say it’s a scam!
You have one of the best ways of analyzing different topics. I really do appreciate your videos ❤️
Abbott IsGone That too haha
Anyone interested in the stories of individual members, Stephanie Harlowe did a deep dive on her channel. Really tragic. Very interesting analysis as always Dr. Grande, thank you!
She did a great job covering it!!
"the love-child of a disco ball and a geometry textbook"
That made me laugh out loud. ^^ I really lit up when you mentioned Homer, moments before you did I was wondering if this case was parodied in the Simpsons. I always wondered where the idea for that episode came from - it was so out there.
Loved growing up with that show. So many hidden references I'm discovering as an adult.
Thank you for the high quality content as always. Truthfully you are the only host I'm subscribed to that I watch regularly. Your daily updates have become my new source of daily entertainment. So thank you
The shirt is nice too.
I think there was a time traveler as one of "The Simpson's" writers! Perhaps living on the comet Hale-Bopp? LOL Among other bizarre numerous examples there was a 1998 episode of "The Simpsons" which shows him scribbling math equations, which - when discovered years later in 2015- proved to be scarily similar to the Higgs-Boson particle, that scientific discovery which many refer to as the “God particle,” to the irritation of physicists everywhere. Regardless of your feelings about its name, it’s pretty insane that Homer’s equation is so similar, even if this is certainly a coincidence.
They’d stole the Green Bay Packers logo.
kkheflin3 proof that God has a sense of humor 😉
I adore the shirt. He looks so nice
"Earthly prison" 😂😂 brilliant
That had me dead as hell 😂😂😂
So you gotta be a damn vegan to go to their heaven I see
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At least he has a heavenly father, from the kingdom of God...
Imagine being his cell mate 👀
I love how the one picture we see of applewhite is always that clip where his eyes are all bugged out. I dont believe in judging someone based on how their appearance, but look at him! You can take one look at him and see that he is incredibly unhinged!!
I've lost track of how many times I've stated this, but Dr Grande, once again I was ecstatic to see this topic this morning. Yet another first class look at the darker side of mental health. Cheers!
P.s. ...D'oh!! 😂
If you watch his videos, he looked like that the whole time. I don't think he even blinked. It's not just an unflattering photo!
If anyone ever looked crazy he is it! I don't know how he ever recruited anyone. These people must have been desperately looking for something that he apparently provided. It's amazing and terribly sad at the same time.
@@christinehutchins123 seriously, some people just want to believe in something so bad. We all long to know where we came from, it's human. But some of us just want answers so desperately, things like this can happen. I can only assume that some incredibly depressed and likely equally unhinged people just latched on to this guys energy and chose to give him the benefit of the doubt. Ignoring all apparent flaws and living in a state of abject denial. People get that way with their chosen candidate in politics as we all know!
@@kend7597 you came here, a year after I wrote this to say that? Bravo. Your life must be boring.
@@kend7597 I see this is how you make yourself feel important, mate. By scrolling comments on videos and trying to feel superior by attempting to correct and condescend to someone you’ve never met. You must be woke, because your arrogance implies I actually care what you think or what your opinion of me is, so fire away, since this is so important to you, and I’m so crushed by your opinion.
I'm from San Diego and remember when this happened. Everyone locally was shocked. It was like a mini Jonestown with sci fi overtones.
Could you please do an analysis of Joseph Smith Jr. the Mormon prophet.
Yeaaaa..that case is nuckin futs also.. giid call
That would be very interesting. As long as facts are given and not just secular science "facts"..
@Upson Pratt who is that? What religious cult is he responsible for?
@Upson Pratt thanks for the info. I will look it up soon. Im dealing with Bells palsy at the moment so my exposure to internet, tv, computers, and reading is a bit challenged at the moment.
He did
"where religion meets science fiction." Sounds a little like Scientology, too🤔
There are surprisingly a lot of UFO “religions” / cults.
That's exactly my thoughts.. 👊🏽👊
Yep, Hubbard was the father of all religious con artists.
Keyvan Yahya Definitely! It's crazy that people you would think are intelligent believes that nonsense
what I read elsewhere is their mental construct bumped along, working hard, selling cheep programming, recruiting, enjoying doomsday fellow ship in upscale living, .... up to the time of castration. AW fell-into irreconcilable depression and like Jim Jones thought nothing of taking them all with him.
"Even if an alien abduction did occur, paying claims would be the least of anyone's problems"
How does he keep a straight face? Why isn't he in standup comedy? "That kinda explains him being---castrated," LOL
Id be worrying about the bacteria that they would bring to Earth.
Your use of deadpan/dry/witty humor is really the highlight of my quarantine. 😂😂 Thank you!!
Cool beans. I knew you would come through. I was reviewing your video on dark humor and it got me to thinking about this. My dad passed away while I was on active duty in March of 1997. I had to come home and in our usual Irish fashion we were having a sort of wake the night before Dad's funeral. The Comet Hale-Bopp was high in the sky and we were all sitting out front talking about Dad and one of my brother's remarked, "I bet Dad's up there telling those Heaven's Gate people they're bunch of idiots." Great talk Doc. The fact that they took rolls of quarters to call home and one even had a 9mm Beretta in his luggage makes this insanely weird.
That Guys picture is insanely weird. How could anyone follow such a crazy looking Man ?
@@lorimiller4301 I had to scroll up and check Dr. Grande’s photo thinking WTAF before realizing you were not talking about him LOL
@@lorimiller4301 Looking unusual is probably part of the draw. Dr. Grande could consider looking into that topic. Have you seen pictures of Rasputin, the people peddling bleach drinking, and many of the worst Evangelical grifters:
Kenneth Copeland looks like a vampire, and some of the far right preachers look as creepy as hell.
Dr Grande, a little constructive criticism. Please consider including more pictures in your vids. Sometimes it is nice to have a visual reference to what ur talking about (admittedly, u are fairly consistent and great at doing this in ur thumbnail.)
Other than this very minor weakness, I absolutely love ur content. Informative, witty and totally hilarious. Plus your from Delaware, which automatically makes u 20% cooler.
U actually inspired me to address my own mental health
@Love Is the Way stud? Sexy?
On being castrated he says "They were smiling and giggling right before having that procedure." But he doesn't mention if they were still smiling afterwards.
I thought the same thing. Chances are that castration wiped the smiles off their faces. Just a hunch.
What about him?
I just choked laughing!
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Alien abduction insurance 🤣 Fabulous business model. Your face when you said “..... he came from outer space”.
Omg I didn’t even know there was even a alien abduction insurance
Nichelle Nichols' (portrayer of Nyota Uhura in Star Trek) brother was a member of Heaven's Gate that committed suicide. He is on the last tape they recorded, you know they had a hundred questions for him.
What???? Never knew that. Also, I see what you did there with the "star trek" thing🤗
Nichelle Nichols is still so beautiful. I am sorry of hearing her brother was a member of that cult.
True story: Heaven's Gate had its website hosted by an ISP in Minneapolis: Spacestar. This remote hosting was unusual in 1997, and not long afterwards, I asked Ed Deppy, the owner of Spacestar, why the cult sought his company out for web hosting. He said the cultists liked the name.
I think it’s still active
@@yankees29 heaven gate? Paid by who??
@@whitedragoness23 two of the members were left alive. They run and maintain the web site. Look it up. It’s still there.
After finding and binge watching his channel for days, Dr. Grande uploads this! I’ve been fascinated by Heaven’s gate for years. Thank you for providing us with great content!
I would really appreciate a video on the recovery of cult and or sect survivors. Those that left or escaped. I was in a sect for 7 years and it's been over a decade now and my brain still feels damaged. It eases over time but I still struggle to discern between their teachings and reality and I still live in fear of prophecies and still morn the loss of people I loved that shunned me because I left. That being said, although it took me 2 years to finally get the guts to leave from the time I decided to leave, leaving was the best thing I ever did for myself. I'm so thankful I got the courage to do so. Information on this topic that is easy to understand and digest for the average person is scarce though.
there used to be an outfit called 'Cult Awareness Network'? I think they were taken over by a cult they pissed off.
I asume you were part of a religious group known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?
Correct me if I'm wrong!
@@romeolincolneiaseb1498 no not them. It's similar to the latter day saints and some other types of groups. It actually started in South Africa but there are a couple of small groups across the world.
Please look into the organization "Recovering From Religion." They may be able to offer you therapy in -person or at least over the phone.
@@romeolincolneiaseb1498 Jehovah's witnesses ain't a cult.
Thank you Dr Grande, your videos on mental health are helping me stay sane during lockdown in the UK 🇬🇧
Thank you so much for the insight on Applewhite & his "church." I am not a psychologist, but to me Applewhite & his followers seemed to be very broken people. I can see where the Heaven's Gate Star Trek themed doctrines caught the imaginations of his followers. In Star Trek the crew of the Enterprise all get along, regardless of race or species, in direct contrast to our current society.
I remember seeing Hale-Bopp back in 1997, after the group suicide of the Heavens Gate cult members. My first impression of the cultists, upon hearing why they killed themselves, was that they were a group of self deluded individuals who bought into the beliefs of a crazy person and got what was coming to them. But, as the days passed and Hale-Bopp continued in perihelion from west to east across the night sky; I began to reassess my first impression. Instead of seeing them just as suckers, I began to see them more as seekers. Desperately unhappy people for whom life in this world had never quite worked out; people for whom all other options had been exhausted; people who were willing to take a chance, no matter how improbable, on a person whom they all believed knew more than they did, and moreover, that what he knew was both right and true and would lead them into an existence in which they would finally be 'happy'. I understood, of course, that there was no alien mother ship riding on the back of Hale-Bopp, crewed by extraterrestrials waiting to 'beam up' the cultists and that they were just dead; but for the sake of those unhappy people, I sure began to wish their had been. 🛸🛸🛸🛸🛸
Sincerely,
Morgan Freeman 🚀🚀🚀
Truly
Wow Morgan freeman said that ! It’s so sad they had to go out that way 😢
"a history of looking forward to being taken by aliens" hihi
Lol man that's nuts!
what a boring life I have
@@katerynastepanova5991 😂
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I did see the Hale-Bopp comet when it was near in the sky. Didn't notice any spaceships in the tail. I hope they made it alright. . .
"A pretty safe bet on the part of an insurance company" ?? You think, Dr. Grande?? Priceless. Absolutely priceless.
In all my years of witnessing and experiencing different belief systems, this has to be the weirdest. It is amazing to see what some people will believe in when they have a charismatic leader to lead them down that wild path. If belief systems can be described as either healthy or unhealthy, then this one must be the most unhealthy ever in all kinds of ways. What make it even weirder (what could be weirder than spaceship ideas and group suicide?) is that a group of monetarily successful people would be so mentally/psychologically ILL that they would actually follow a mentally sick person even to the point of death. If they actually believed that they were "chosen," then maybe they could all be diagnosed with some grandiose narcissism as well as they wanted to be considered "special." If that group were alive today, can you just imagine the studies that could arise from sessions with the members? Thank you, Dr. Grande! EXCELLENT video, as always! (...And I haven't even had my coffee yet!)
psychopaths are particularly manipulative and convincing
Unbelievable how people could belive his delusions
Mustafa Arikan People will believe almost anything.
Most of the earth's population believes utter nonsense. Religions are rampant. There are more people on earth with a delusion than without.
Being delusional is the normal state of being for the average human.
@Testa Rossa I don't think that's the case with Applewhite, for the reasons Dr Grande said. Applewhite was a true believer. He wouldn't have gotten castrated and killed himself in the same fashion as the others if he wasn't- instead he would have manipulated the cult members for sex and power until there seemed an outside threat, like Jim Jones and David Koresh. Applewhite was probably able to convince others purely because of the strength and passion behind his belief. They would have been gullible and interested in aliens to begin with, then seeing someone so convinced by his own nutty ideas would have convinced them too.
@Paul Miller They don't have to be desperate just dumb, uneducated, gullible or a combination thereof. Think about how much money Jim Bakker and the Holy Oil peddlers are making from the gullible. Think about Copeland and the like getting people in need to finance their private planes, mansions, cars and kingly lifestyles. Then there is Paula White and people like her who are nothing more than Christianized fortune tellers and spell casting witches.
The US is not the only country that needs to improve public education and teach critical thinking skills, but it is the most advanced country with the most serious problem.
see: Minneapolis
Anyone else enjoying seeing Dr Grande’s sense of humor ? He’s hilarious 😆
I remember this guy and his followers.
You didn’t mention they all had $5 bills and quarters in their pockets when they died. So they would have money and change when they got to the comet. This isn’t a joke, they did, just like the Nike shoes and purple shrouds.
I also saw the comet when it passed earth. Didn’t see them on it.
This guy makes Charles Manson seem normal-almost.
Great video. Thx very much.
You are spreading knowledge dr. No doctors in Europe spread psychiatric videos to' let people FREE understand how the mind Is malfunctioning or personality disorders , your work should be teached in the secondary schoolas mandatory subject ,without psychiatric schooling this world have few chances to' get Better ...
thanks dr Grande you are helping lots of people , your free videos work Will turn back to you in blessings and respect from lots of people.
Note to self: start alien abduction insurance company! 😎
It's really not a bad idea. Say they claim they get abducted and returned to earth, How will they prove it?
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Ikr?!!😎👽
Oh you antisocial genius.. :)
I want in on this alien abduction insurance company..
These subjects never cease to amaze me ,I do recall this one.. thanks DR G
You know those sayings...”you’re not everyone’s cup of tea...” “you can be the juiciest peach, but there’s still going to be someone that doesn’t like peaches...”...well that’s just not true in the case of Dr Grande. You’re everyone’s cup of tea!! I love this channel!!
"Applewhite was sentenced to 6 months, in earthly prison." This is gold.
How you can keep a straight face thru your sarcasm and jokes is beyond me!
Had me LOL so many times!
Excellent analysis!
Dr. Grande...and yet another interesting and thoughtful analysis! Dang you’re good...👍🏻
The "Do" and "Ti" personas have always fascinated me about this cult as someone with a bachelor's in music. Do is known as the tonic of a scale and Ti is the leading tone. The tonic can also be described as the root or "homebase", which can easily show how grandiose his thinking was. Ti is a half step/minor second below Do, the smallest possible interval in Western music that sounds kinda crunchy and dissonant to a listener. Ti is the leading tone because it creates tension and this feeling of needing to "return home" and the uneasiness of being so close and needing that release badly. With Ti dying first, the music theory connection gets pretty fucked up.
His music background adds something really odd to all of this and makes me feel really uneasy.
great video. Also, Just something I remembered from Psychology class. My professor said that people, I'm not sure how to put this, but that people, before they commit suicide, when they make the decision, seem happier because they know that the pain is going to end, but other people would think that they would seem to be all depressed. When you said that the followers seems happy on that video, it reminded me of what I heard in class.
Dr. Grande, your video's are great you have excellent insight with some pretty good comedy!!!
Wow, im surprised the good doctor read a new comment on such an old video!
While I was watching this video a truck with a sign that said “Next Level Carpet Cleaning” drove past me. Spooky!
Coincidence? I think not! 😁
😆 LOL
...heading for “Heavens Gate”..☘️😂☘️
It’s all a big conspiracy....(reaching for my tin foil hat)
Thank you so much for putting your effort into cult leaders! We need better understanding of these people to not fall into their Follies and flights of fancy!
Please do an episode on the BITE Model, so people can begin to use it to understand if certain groups are cults!
You're doing great work, please do keep it up! Cheers Doc!
I’m pleased to have been able to sign up to your patreon. Thank you doctor Grande. You seem a top fella. You’ve helped me. Thumbs up.
Much appreciated!
I love that their website is still up actually. It's like a museum.
I’m looking forward to a future video on Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.
Me, too!!!! Where are the children???
Same
@@cookie_dough_hangover buried in Chad's garden. Absolutely heartbreaking.
huh, you got what you wanted in a week. now thats fanservice.
I found your channel a few days ago and have been binge watching it since. Thanks for making these videos!
They are interesting Haley. 👍
5:52 - Somewhere in Mexico: "Waiter, why are these rocky mountain oysters so small?"
You sick bastard, that was funny as Hell!
Excellent!!
I would love it if you would analyze Bonnie Nettles also . I think she gets let off the hook in almost all coverage of the cult . Even though it seems she was the one who made the no family contact rule ( even though she stayed in touch with her family ) and she was a nurse who formed this kind of relationship with a mental patient.
Your presentation of this case was perfectly understood, kind sir! Well done! 😉👍
I'm glad you covered this. I was in Honduras at the time and it seems like the whole Jim Jones situation was still fresh in everybody's minds. I did not know about Marshall's troubled/troublesome history.
„Exploding Earth Insurance“ 😂
lol
Fast becoming one of my favourite channels on UA-cam. I like the uploads before I even watch, because I know that I'm going to like it regardless.
Me too
Yes!! Thank you Dr Grande. I was waiting on this.
Awesome, I've been binge-watching your videos.
“Love child of a disco ball and a geometry textbook”. 😂😂😂😂
Dr. Grande...I dont often use this word to describe a person but he was an intelligent wacko. Ashame he never got the mental health help he so desperately needed. Your analysis was really good.
love hearing about the cults! great video.
Dr. Grande, I absolutely love that whenever I'm looking for a video on a specific person, you come up! Thank-you for constantly putting up all this diverse content!!
It would be interesting to hear your analysis of L. Ron Hubbard.
I have no proof of this but I think L. Ron Hubbard, an atheist, started Scientology as a joke to prove how gullible people are but it was too lucrative to stop.
He was an only child who read a lot of science fiction. He had a vivid imagination and was a prolific writer. He used to write for pulp fiction magazines.
With his interest in science fiction, it is no surprise that he would start a cult on science fiction.
@@channelthree9424 I agree with you!
Thank you for making videos and posting them on UA-cam. Your intro and the way that you are consistent with saying that you are not providing a diagnosis is the kind of integrity the platform sorely lacks. You are straightforward, objective and very consistent in your approach and delivery. I appreciate your content and look forward to more.
"sentenced to 6 months in earthly prison" 😁
The person you need to look at is Bonny. She was the real leader until she died. He fumbled and fuddled with it and had no idea what he was doing
This was the one I was going to request next, excellent!!! Personally, I wonder if they weren't all depressed and looking for a way out but too afraid to end their lives alone.
How about doing Andrea Yates, I always felt she was one of the saddest cases and that she was actually delusional when she killed her children...unlike Susan Smith and Darlie Routier.
Thanks for another informative and interesting video.
POLARBEARSRUS He did Andrea Yates and it posted today, as always it was great!
Totally agree!!
Very interesting video. There seems to have been a lot of gnostic elements in their beliefs: The idea of the flesh as something to shed to become divine, the Earth as a place of the fallen, and the belief that they somehow possesed a kind of secret and divine knowledge that would lead them to salvation. Voluntary castration is also something you see in early Christianity - especially in the monastic traditions where gnosticism also flourished in some areas.
@bogrunberger Great comment! A lot of the classical religions of the ancient world also had worshipers who self castrated.
I remember being a kid and seeing this guy on the news. His eyes are terrifying.
Borsalino Kizaru Ew. my stomach turned a little. Too bad the internet isn’t free of come ons-that will amount to nothing. Just ego stroking sexual banter on a public forum which is seedy and inappropriate.
I remember this well. I had a friend who was afraid that one of the dead might have been her long lost sister, who was also a great believer in being "saved" by extraterrestrials ~ she was not among the deceased, but never spoke to family again and took the track laid out in the book "The Celestine Prophecy." I have another acquaintance more recently who's a great believer that ETs will save the Earth and Humanity from itself. The last time we spoke at any length, she was following a current "ET Guru" and learning how to communicate telepathically with unseen aliens. I think that the internet provides fertile ground for these types of "schools of thought," and one can easily get sucked into a group like that when they're looking for Utopia. Great analysis as always, Dr. Grande. Thank you!
So sad actually
How did Dr Grande do this with a straight face.
Have you seen his dark humor video?
Probably because it’s not a funny subject. These were sick people who didn’t get help and killed themselves.
He had alien life insurance. 😂
Thanks Dr. Grande for your evaluation of this cult. I just watched the Jim Jones video and there are similarities. It amazes me how many people are attracted to cults, whether the promise of going onboard a ship located at the tail of a comet or another "paradise", there must be a kind of comfort in belonging to a cult no matter how absurd - wearing the same clothing, adopting the same diet and movements there are many belief systems quite similar to this yet do not not bear the identification of being a cult.
Your videos are so informative! Since fathers day is coming up, can you talk about absentee fathers and how that affects people. Or maybe the "daddy issues" and if that is a real thing?
Uh oh, that’s going to be really depressive
He got a masters in music and that's probably related to why Applewhite and Nettles were named Do and Ti, the beginning and the end of the Guido scale (do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti).
“He wasn’t really doing a good job of selling it there...” 😂
Thanks a lot, Dr. Grande, for another marvellous episode dedicated to the analysis of one more self-mutilating and destructive cult. You know, watching this video yesterday even inspired me to learn more about Heaven's Gate. I'd heard of them before, but, after watching your video, decided to watch a few videos made by this sect, including the members' final messages, one of the ''initiating videos'' of Mr. Applewhite and that rather extensive final lecture known as ''Do's Final Exit'' which he had delivered prior to their collective suicide and which you also mentioned in your video. Well, I guess one could admit that Mr. Applewhite, being a rather educated person, also had truly great manipulative skills. His manner of speaking, the way he uses gestures, how he builds his narrative - I guess it can produce impression even on the people with the elaborated critical skills, and then we can imagine how luring that could possibly be for the people whose minds are not so refined. Of course, Mr. Applewhite is talking what seems to be complete nonsense from the point of view of a mentally sane person, but he seems to have at least some kind of logic in what he's saying... In the second part of his ''lecture'' he even seems to come to some kind of a metaphysical idea of the possible spiritual ''multiverse'' the souls ''discarnate'' from the bodies after the physical death may have. Like, if you believe in the Heaven's Gate, if you are one of the chosen, then you may have the opportunity to reach the ''Kingdom of Heaven'' in their understanding. But if you believe smth. else, then you may probably have another path in the spiritual world after your soul is separated from your body. Thus, we can logically conclude that, with such understanding, there's no need for one true religious teaching, all of them may be correct at the same time, depending on the personal beliefs of each human being. It is as if your post mortem fate is facilitated by what you believe in when you are alive. This cult is an interesting object for scientific exploration, but, of course, the horrible end of those who consented to ''leave Earth'' with Marshall Applewhite, or Do, or whatever he preferred to be called, will never be forgotten... And thanks once again for your in-depth and detailed analysis of this topic, Dr. Grande, as well as all the other themes you touch upon in your videos. Wishing you all the best!
*laughing so much at the Homer Simpson comment* 😂😂😂
Hey, Doc, really enjoy your vids and noticed you've stepped it up lately. Thanks for that. We all need it. I have something to say with all that's going on now. I don't need to tell you there are good, decent men and women in law enforcement and I have two in my family. I never thought I'd see the day my boys would be ashamed of what they do. One was recently hurt on the job and was told to go to the hospital to get checked out. But, he said, may I go home, first, to change out of uniform. No, go directly to the hospital. His anxiety went up, did he have the nerve to show up in uniform with the present atmosphere? Before entering the hospital, he all but stripped to his skinnies. Better that than be taunted and perhaps even attacked. As a mom, grandmother, and great grandmother, I find this sad. I never thought I'd live to see this day. And, yes, I know some cops have acted very, very badly. Let's get rid of them.
Damn, doc, you sure have done your homework, very well researched. Also your little jokes, lightening mood without being disrespectful, were great touch. But with the shared delusion- there is story about "the class" attempting their first castration DYI style, at home, with supplies stolen from veterinarian one member worked for. After operation, dude' scrotum keeps swelling like crazy, draining the liquid doesn't help and Applewhite, seeing this, says that he screwed up and wants them to take him to the police. Yet the group basically tells him to shut up, that they will deal with it. What I'm trying to say- after seeing and reading lot about Heaven's gate, it seems to me like they all together supported their delusions, with their ilnesses feeding into each other. The Two maybe started it, but in the end, I'm not sure whether Applewhite led them or they Applewhite.
You are a hero, Dr. Grande
It seems to me that the motivations of different cult leaders may differ. Certainly, Manson was motivated by self interest, for example. But I've always thought that their followers fall into this through depression and dissatisfaction with their lives.
No matter my life circumstances, I can 100% guarantee that I would never join nor be lured into a cult or any sort of similar organisation.
Common sense and logic will always take over and not everyone possesses those two qualities.
I think some people so desperately need to be part of a group, they'll agree to believe anything just to be involved...just my opinion.
@@absolutelypitiful3837 like I said. I 100% guarantee I would not be lured into a cult. You and nobody else can tell me any different.
I know myself and I'm not gullable
Dr. Grande, I have serious question...has there ever been any kind of study in the psych community that studied the connection between religious ideation and mental illness? I ask because I have known a few people with serious, diagnosed mental illness who also had fanatical religious views who became even more religious when they're in midst of psychotic break. Why do so many psychotic people gravitate to religion? I'm not trying to diss religion, but there seems to be a connection and I want to know if this is a personality type? Psychosis?
Religious ideation and delusional thinking are produced in the same brain areas/within the same neural projection loops. But don't ask me for the exact source of this. It must have been in one textbook about psychosis, I really don't remember where it exactly was. Maybe you can do some research on your own.
That Hale-Bopp comet was spectacular from the naked eye and was huge in the dark horizon night after night. I was mesmerized.
Do an analysis on Lori Vallow and Charles Daybell
First time I ran across this video. It is not only very informative, it states absolute reality.
This video may help curb vulnerable people away from joining these senseless and dangerous cults. Bravo!
Thank you for examining this interesting case. One wonders how people can be caught up in cults to the point of committing suicide at the behest of the cult leader. Applewhite further developed his theology in (earthly) prison - your sarcasm about the type of prison is amusing, Dr. Grande, and I enjoy your dry wit during your analysis of cases. Could you look at the common factors in the personality types and backgrounds of those drawn to cults in the first place?
Very articulate, Great information, Great video,
Thanks for another interesting video! Do you think you could do a video on the so-called “affluenza teen” Ethan Couch who drove drunk in 2013 and ended up killing 4 people and injuring 9 others? His family hired a lawyer and psychologist who gave him the defense that basically he was “too rich and spoiled to understand the consequences of his actions” or some such nonsense. Unbelievably that defense worked out pretty well for him. 😕 It would be interesting to see your take on the situation.
This a great, non sensationalist channel. Just facts and analysis. Refreshing.
Those who found their bodies must have been haunted by the scene for a long time. Cults both fascinate and scare me. Thanks for my daily treat! 👍
Could you do more videos on cults? I find this so interesting how they trick people to join and why someone would stay even though family and friends try to get them out. Psychology of both the cult member and the person they are trapping would be so interesting
Great video, brought up a interesting memory, a younger female acquaintance of
Mine was doing a paper for university on ufo cults and uses of Christian ideas and symbols
She wrote about heavens gate and the raelism ( a Canadian ufo sex cult) you should look at them
I asked if she chose them also because they’re controversial sexual views were polar opposites
She got very upset saying there was nothing about either group about sex or controversial, I laughed
As I had read many books and articles about both groups as I find strange ufo religions and religions
Really interesting and something they all seam share is strange views on sex such
As applewhite being castrated and convincing others to be also as sex was bad, while the raelins leader
Chose extremely attractive women to “train” to serve the gods, the group has very liberal sexual views also
It’s odd as she found this upsetting and we no longer speak, a true millennial.
I promise I didn’t press or Lear, I just thought it was strange to write about the inclusion of Christian ritual
Symbolic ideas in ufo cults and to not note that like Christianity sexuality plays a large part in the groups
Especially the control over it.
The "Bagwon" at Antelope, Oregon pushed open sex as well, but it WAS the aftermath of the sixties, after all. All kinds of wife swapping and alternate lifestyle experiments were an obvious offshoot rolling over into the seventies. The thing that gets me is lawyers, Masters' Degreed people, and professionals with substantial assests turned all of it over to the East Indian lady assistant, who promptly moved the "kash" to Switzerland, and blew Dodge as is in that country today, with the money. She had it figured out. Iv'e seen videos of her and I'd keep my distance.
This was a real solid heavens gate video. There is not much out there, thanks. You rock man!