Why 2023's Mob Vote Was The Worst Ever
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
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0:00 - Intro
1:02 - Why Did The Armadillo Win?
9:34 - Do We Really Want All 3 Mobs?
19:10 - Why Not Add All 3 Mobs?
22:25 - What Changed?
25:09 - Do People Want Democracy?
28:25 - How They Can Improve The Mob Vote
32:52 - Conclusion
34:41 - Outro
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I feel like a large part of the problem is that the novelty of having a vote has worn off, especially as it usually leaves the majority without their choice getting in
At this point, long-time voters have mostly been disappointed multiple times, even and maybe especially when our desired mob actually won. I thought glowing ink could be added to any other ink to make dyed blocks glow faintly… instead, we now have glow lichen. 🤦♀️
@@misspatvandriverlady7555 Yeah everytime a mob gets in everyone seems to end up disappointed (and I would say rightfully so), and thinking "we voted for the wrong mob".
Honestly it's lead me to believe that Mojang will mess things up and miss the potential no matter what mob gets voted in.
also, the fact that for all the past votes, Mojang came up with original ideas for all 3 mobs. This year, they picked 3 highly requested features/mobs and made a vote between them. The crab/extended reach, Dog armor, and penguins are things people have been asking for for years.
also time and time again we've been shown that the mobs we get are damn near useless
One of my favourite solutions to the mob vote issue is for the amount of votes to dictate what order the are implemented within the game, having the most voted being implemented first and the runner up being implemented in a later update and so on
honestly not a bad idea hm
That would probably lead to the list of mobs they need to add piling up. That’s just overpromising at the end of the day
Maybe they only do these votes every 2 years or so and in between work on the options in the vote but starting with who won first...
I just can’t believe that the highest selling game in the world can’t produce enough content to add three mobs a year, and instead force fans to disappoint themselves over voting for only 1.
Which is why those excuses they come up with makes no dang sense, if 1 person can create a whole new game alone with mods even a little bit glitchy it’ll probably get worked on but nooo mojang doesn’t have enough time with soooo much on their plates
Even though what you’re saying makes sense logically, there is a decent chance that there are behind-the-scenes complicating factors. Last thing I’d want to do is overdemand from (which would, in turn, overwork) Mojang’s employees. We already see that happening in cinema and anime.
With that being said, I still agree the mob vote with how it’s structured is an awful idea. The majority of people nearly always lose in a three-way mob vote.
Minecraft is the highest selling game but the money is sent to mojang its mostly sent to Microsoft and why would Microsoft care much to spend a ton of money on the updates when that doesn’t give them more money the market place gives them more money so that’s what they focus on. Also Minecraft is really old and using really old code it was first designed in 2009 and the code used wasn’t very efficient being designed by an amateur developer (aka notch) they could never have believed how far Minecraft would become so they weren’t getting the best coders to make the most efficient code they made code that works and that they knew how to do and to add onto that code with all these new additions is quite hard and tedious because of how much of a mess Minecraft code is and they can’t just redo the whole thing because the community is expecting massive updates every year and the more time that passes and the more stuff that’s add the worst the mess of code becomes.
Most people try to excuse it by saying that the mobs have to go through a process of approval before being added even though most of the mob's in the votes themselves have already gone through that level of scrutiny.
@@ashuraomega1000 please read my comment I feel like it shows a more real reason why it’s not as easy as you may think
Perhaps every mob vote should be held as a two round system. If neither candidates get over 50% of the vote, the one with the least votes should be eliminated and there should be a second run-off vote held.
Or..
Perhaps instead you should be able to rank your preferred mob instead ?
Rank Choice voting is definitly helpful
Downside of that is figuring how to best communicate 2 rounds. Currently it is very simple in that you just vote once and you're done. With 2 rounds you want to avoid people voting only in the first round and not voting in the second round (like if they forgot or if they didn't know there was a second round)
Previously mob votes would work like this because the vote took place during the Minecraft Live event, which allowed Mojang to communicate there being 2 rounds, but the time available to vote in each round was very limited as a result. Now we have a 48 hour period to cast a vote prior to Minecraft Live that is very easy to vote during but how do you facilitate and communicate a second round during that?
The first mob vote had three rounds. Both biome votes and the first three mob votes had two rounds. Only the last two mob votes had one round. The choice with the least votes was eliminated each round. In each of the multi-round systems the choice with the most votes in the first round eventually won, meaning it changed nothing.
There was a two round vote a few years ago and people were still unhappy
They could also simply always add the runner up to the next mob vote. Then the only mobs which are truly eliminated are the ones which come in third place, which will likely be a lot easier for the community to accept.
I love how people call their wolf companions minecraft dogs or dogs, but I would like the idea of having different fur patterns for our wolves/ minecraft dogs. OG fur we got now, then a dark grey, black and brown one.
Like cats pre 1.14 were ocelots that would turn into one of 3 types of cats when tamed.
@@LegoBob4123 I would assume that they want to avoid that and rather just make dogs a separate mob.
Or maybe even different dog breeds. When a wolf is tamed, it could turn into a golden retriever, German shepherd, St. Bernard, etc.
I'm thinking the wolves could have different fur colors depending on the biome it lives/spawns in (not including breeding).
Snowy biomes = white (the one we have now, basically arctic wolf)
Non-snowy taiga = dark gray (regular gray wolf)
Old growth taiga = black (or perhaps black can be an uncommon color in all biomes and through breeding)
Forest (oak) = brown (kinda like red wolves or just a... brown wolf, I guess)
We already have two variants of foxes, the red fox for regular taiga, and arctic (white) fox for snowy biomes. The first fox I saw in MC was a white arctic fox, coz I was playing in a snow biome. And it was super cute, having I think a fish in its mouth, or something.
@@Rubywing4 I've never seen the white fox. Is it exclusive to Java or Bedrock? 🦊
mojang annually showing us why first past the post is a bad electoral system
i'm not sure how much if a difference, if any, that it'd make, but i also wonder if it'd be "better" to have the mob vote options reveal during minecraft live itself, as opposed to revealing them in stages in the week or so beforehand
I’ve noticed that the first mob revealed always seems more fleshed out and gets more attention than the last one. 🤔
Mojang actually used a multi-round system (ie, not first past the post) for both biome votes and 3 out of 5 mob votes. Incidentally, in each case the one with the most votes in the first round won in the end, meaning that changing it from first past the post changes nothing
This year was the most unjustifiable because all three contestants were real animals that should've been in the game a long time ago. Absolutely no excuse for why they can't add all three of them.
But but but adding things is hard even when you have billions and billions of dollars 😢
@@Bradboss10That’s what happened with The Phantom and everybody hates it.
Did you even watch the video?
@@Bradboss10That didn’t work well in 2020 where literally everything becomes wild unfounded speculation and the Glow Squid ended up winning.
Thing is, the Allay was revealed to have a working prototype back in 2020. This means all candidates probably do as well, but the decision to continue to refine and balance them into official features for updates requires higher up examinations and approvals to even see the light of day. Yeah it’s a shame that prototypes are put on the back burner or dumped, but the April Fools updates has always been full of these kind of features that never got added officially. Yes, that’s what they are, random scraps and junk just look at last year’s April fools joke. Mojang has a lot of unfinished junk in the backlogs that never see the light of day, mob vote candidates are just lucky ones that gets picked arbitrarily into a vote to decide which one is added officially.
This year, the biggest issue isn't that they were neck and neck. It's that the penguin wasn't properly explained, and the armadillo & crab both had features that community have been requesting for for a quite a while. The mobs themselves are good. I'm glad the armadillo won because it means more life in the Savanna which desperately needs it and dog/wolf armor, but it came at the cost of greater reach, which sucks.
This is the problem with voting for mobs based on their hypothetical “function”. That function is totally arbitrary, it’s just one of potentially infinite possible ideas that can be figured out later, so it’s not a great basis upon which to choose mobs. In my view mobs should be chosen for the sense of character and life they add to the world, and their function can be figured out afterward. There are a million different ways to add far reach, many of which are way better than the crab, so choosing the crab based on that half baked idea doesn’t seem like such a great way to operate.
I’ve never heard anyone say they actually wanted/needed longer reach, while i’ve heard many people say dogs die too easy and need armor
@@Nephelangelo Great concept, but the issue is that the functions that these mobs provide don't usually get any kind of later development.
Plus, it feels like it would be better at this point to just have the mobs be non-functional and have the functions they could add be something done later without the context of the mob.
@@chewy99. Being able to reach distant blocks would help a lot when it comes to building in more awkward spaces. Not that half a block would really help all that much.
@@gigas115 Yeah of course I’m sure it’d be kinda helpful if not cumbersome, I’ve just never heard people actually complaining about that or saying they wanted it.
I feel like the biggest problem with the mob vote is that it goes against the idea of how the mob vote should work. They took 3 ideas that the community would absolutely love, and told us we would only get one while the rest get thrown into an ideas pile until they feel like using it. Mob votes should be for ideas that Mojang wants to add, but is unsure if we would enjoy have added to the game.
Personally, they should change the formula. Instead of voting for a mob, we should vote for its characteristics. So, we don't lose anything since the characteristics of the mob was designed by the community. This is something another studio, Big Blue Bubble, has already done, TWICE. For the armadillo, the armadillo scute is used in the real world, but instead of being used for wolf armor, they are used to make the charango, a south American string instrument. Here's another instrument just like the goat horn.
The next mob vote very likely needs to have 3 or more of the loser mobs from previous mob votes, up on the ballot box instead of new mobs.
And preferably reworking them to be more interesting. The Rascal and the Glare, for example. Or the Golems.
I was ok with voting for the Sniffer and the Armadillo based on their vibe addition to the game, but those other 4 don't feel like complete mobs, just walking ideas.
This could be a great "apology" thing they could do, but I feel like it could go badly if people get really passionate about a mob getting in and it get's voted down *again*
But a mob vote the replace new ones in favour of the ones that lost isn't a good move, unless have two mob votes with one for new mobs and the other for the older ones that have lost the vote, better and such
"A good idea I see..." says Mojang
"Eh we're not allowed to have good ideas. Make 3 NEW mobs no one needs so we can disappoint the community even further, Microsoft style"
So some thoughts:
It’s okay for someone vote for a mob for superficial reasons like cuteness. Not everything has do have an endogenous value, just look at foxes. They’re practically useless, if not outright annoying, but have enough personality that people love them.
31:48 this is a great point!! Many people wanted the glow squid because of hypnotism, but it was made clear on the website that wasn’t an actual feature. To avoid this, Mojang could simply make the showcase a bit longer, but I’d prefer if they kept the showcase short and encouraged more people to go to the website. They could do this by laying out the game mechanics in a detailed way on the site and make it clear that the showcase is a simple introduction. This would also educate folks to actually do research on things they care about and not just base their opinion on who has the flashiest show.
The mob vote mobs are almost fundamentally flawed because if the devs really wanted to make the mobs work, we wouldn’t have a say in it. That’s why they’re “put into the idea library”. Since 2 of the 3 probably won’t be implemented, it incentivizes Mojang to keep them barebones ideas to not waste time. Because of this, i think players hype the vote up way too much. To be fair it’s also Mojangs fault for choosing to make the votes the flashiest way of collaborating with the community.
Superficial reasons should not be the overbearing reason for a mob, that should be secondary at most.
I would argue that the “cuteness”, or how I’d describe it, the character, of a mob is more important than its hypothetical “function” when choosing which mobs to add. Because their function is a completely arbitrary quality, and it can be later changed or revised to anything Mojang wants. What is more important is that the mobs that are being added give the world a sense of character and life and immersion. Their potential function is literally infinite, and can be figured out later.
@@Nephelangelo Cuteness is absolutely not important, that's the arbitrary quality and not the function. The function should be important because that actually matters in a game where gameplay is important. Literally everything by their nature gives character and life by default, that should not be the main function of something. Adding cute things for the sake of being cute is how the game got flooded with useless filler to pander to people who only care about looks because people for some reason would rather have something cute that eventually gets forgotten over something that was built to last.
One word proves you wrong: Fireflies. Fireflies, even without any function, gave swamps much needs ambience and life. And that is the primary reason why they should have been added to the game. Their function in the game could be anything, and doesn’t need to be decided immediately. Enriching the environment and enhancing immersion is the primary function of adding mobs. @@EmperorPenguin1217
unfortunately, I think the mob votes will continue. Whether through joy or hate, mob votes bring a lot of attention to the game, which is ultimately good for sales.
one thing they need to do is make the votes last longer (like 24 hours) to give everyone, no matter the timezone, a chance to vote. I also like the idea of it being like the biome votes, in two ways; 1. a big feature that is being added being the centerpiece and 2. making it so they eventually will add the rest of the options in future updates or at least the second top option in a future update.
also by big feature I don't mean something like the wolf armor or snowier snow, I mean something like New biome, or New structure, new tree, or even something like an updated existing biome or stucture.
the main problem is that mojang always gives us 3 candidates meaning a majority of the people are always going to end up being unhappy and if this is the case they can easily solve it by only giving us two mobs to vote at a time from now on
Or simply do as they said and add the popular ones and add the others later on very simple especially when they speak of it
alternatively they could add the top 2 of the 3 or give 4 options and add 2, just anything except 1 of 3
@@deuterium_oxide7382 or simply give a trial of all 3 and pick the one that had the most voted and most used at the same time collectively
or simply add all the mobs in.
@@matthewbarabas3052why would they intentionally get rid of something that builds a lot of hype in the community? Let's not pretend that no one gets excited to vote for their favorite mob
Giving us extra information is the best thing they can do. Like for example can we enchant Wolf Armour or how much protection does it give would be great
Chaos is the natural state of the universe, obviously.
Toycat: The fox and the allay have no uses.
Me: * looks over at my high yield sweet berry farm staffed entirely by foxes and allays *
Foxes aren't even needed for berry farms and allays are objectively worse than hoppers
Honestly didn't know this stuff was happening in the background I just wanted the armadillo because I actually use my wolves usually when I'm skeleton hunting
I’m realizing that the big issue with the mobs is that they are voted for when they should iterated and then perfected by player feedback.
They could bring back old mobs to new mob votes. Do a few years of old mobs coming back. Do something where they only have 1 new mob and a number 2 and 3 placed mob come back. or just reserve 1 of the 3 mobs they do add as an old mob that lost.
One reason that I don't like the mob votes is that its starting to contribute to the game's bloat problem. I think they should stop the mob vote because its clear that a lot of the mobs are made just to fill out the roster for the vote. They're attaching features to these mobs to justify their existence and not the other way around. Why couldn't wolf armor be made from normal materials or even or even turtle scutes? Because Mojang needed a reason for players to want to vote Armadillo not because they felt it was a good design decision. Same thing with the glow squid. They could have just let glowstone dust have the same effect as glow ink sacs, but they can't because they need to justify the Glow Squids existence and they cant remove it because it was a voted mob.
Well then we would just be voting on mobs that do absolutely nothing. Nobody’s going to vote on that. Or at least most people wouldn’t.
13:53 The allay is amazing for building tall structures, just give a bunch of them blocks you commonly use and if you misplace it on the side and it falls down when you break it, it'll pick it up and bring it back.
This is coming from someone who wanted the Golem to win.
Honestly, I'd rather see the popular vote decide the broad theme of what the next update will work on. Like choose one of three biomes to upgrade (like the Taiga vote? IDK I wasn't around for that one), or 'vote - redstone, trading or potion update' - something like that. Then once the players identify an area needing improvement, the devs can get to work on it, and if that leads to new mobs, neat. Plus a vote like that wouldn't necessarily rule out the loser getting worked on in future.
If people only voted based on cuteness, then the crab would not have lost... The crab WAVES at you. That's adorable.
Voting something all because it's "cute" isn't a good reason to vote for it.
Well the breeze is just a revamp of a earlier mob vote called the wildfire. Also a lot of the ideas from earlier mob votes can still be added later. Also I still think that all three of this year’s mobs should at least be added in some way even just after years later.
The allay was my personal favorite mob vote mob because they actually are incredibly useful late-game for sorting nonstackable items, which wasnt possible to do in the past. They are one of the most important mobs to have at hand.
Allays are worse than hoppers in every way and their AI is too unreliable to use
@@EmperorPenguin1217 hoppers can't sort unstackable items and allays can just be put in minecarts
@@maxwellli7057 Better to use hopper minecarts
@@EmperorPenguin1217 they still can't sort unstackable items, allays are the only way in the game to do that.
Granted the applications are rare for when you would want to seriously do that, but they definitely exist, like sorting totems out of a raid farm.
@@maxwellli7057 You can sort unstackables without allays.
I think the primary reason the discourse shifted to the topic of the mob vote itself was because there was a lack of significant discourse had regarding the actual mobs.
People had much more interesting otherworldly things to latch onto with options like the alley, the copper golem, the rascal or moobloom. Since the mobs this year were much more mundane, people didn’t want to talk about them as much so they spent more time talking about their opinions that they’ve built up over the years like “I don’t like the mob vote”.
The Allay is great bc it allows for a non-stackable item sorter
Even though they're worse than hoppers
I think one thing people don't quite realize is that the mob vote is more of a "we have a little extra time, what else should we add" thing than a "We need people to decide how we change the game" thing. It's supposed to be a community interaction/complementary addition, and if you show that you enjoy a feature a lot (like the crab claw or faster boats) then they have plenty of freedom to do that in a later update somehow.
Also, thank you for taking such a neutral and level-headed stance on this.
While that’s true, and I fully agree with you, we have yet to see any mobs from previous votes be added in during other updates. I really wish they could consider this option more, as some mobs are loved by the community, but were sadly never added, even tho the entire thing is supposed to be about building community with the players/Mojang. :(
Exactly!
So why do they put so much marketing and concepts into three mobs where two are thrown in the trash? And this "later update" never comes, it's been ~5 years and none of the mob vote losers have shown any signs of returning.
@@Jason-zg4sd We've seen mechanics of some of the mobs at least, such as the grindstone, and we've seen the frog added, but yeah it would be so nice to see a lot of the other mobs.
Extra time for what? The multi-billion dollar company isn't utilizing all of its employees on the one update a year they release. If they have time to make the flashy events and videos showcasing this stuff, why not use that time wisely and just make the mobs? Independent devs have managed to make the mobs Mojangs refuses to add days after the update drops. It's frankly inexcusable.
Mob votes will still probably happen in the future, despite always being such a negative time. It is free marketing for Mojang, even if someone gets their mob into the game, they aren't always happy about it either. Most who voted on phantoms regret it, seen a fair bit of people complain about the Sniffer too, but as a Sniffer voter, I really like it, despite being useless, it is impossible to make everyone happy about the mob vote.
I definetly think the explanation of what a new mob will provide is vauge, in some cases too vauge.
Last year the Sniffer won pretty easily for it had too much information, but this year we know nothing how good the wolf armor will be, will the crab reach work on mobs, can you break blocks further away too? Then you have the penguin... faster boat speed, which is pretty much just dolphin's grace, and if it was anything special, Mojang didn't make that clear at all.
Perhaps one way to equalize the mob vote is to choose one of three mobs, but they all would do the same thing (for example drop an item that increases block reach)
Then it only really comes down to the looks. And where it'd spawn.
It’s still baffling how we don’t have the iceoliger
It’s baffling that it’s been over three years and Mojang still can’t figure out how to make a *bag* work. 🤦♂️😂
I think it’s a huge mistake for us to be choosing these mobs based on their hypothetical “function”, because the function is just an arbitrary quality which can be reworked to literally anything. What’s more important, in my view, is that these mobs are chosen for the character and life and immersion they add to the environment. Their potential function is literally infinite in possibility, and can be figured out later.
1 thing I despise of the mob vote is the fact they don't give enough information about them they give very little (which I like to call vague information) forcing the community to either assume or piece together what it actually does but sometimes the community ends up being wrong about their theories or what they think it saddens me to see the mob vote being the embodiment of everything its not supposed to be instead of bringing people together as a community it divides people from the community (sure it brings the Minecraft skins together but it doesn't bring the player themselves together) I have mentioned this in the past but
mojang and the community is an oil powered engine that runs on oil while making oil without the engine they is no more oil and the current oil is used up until nothing is left and without the oil the engine cant carry on to make oil
So to some degree without mojang we are nothing unless we find alternative solutions and without the community mojang is nothing until they find alternative solutions
(So mojang is playing on a double bladed sword and mojang has to ask themselves who has the final say? them or the community the ones who develop the features or the ones who vote for the features) so yes they do need to give more information and stop being vague about the mobs but mojang needs to do (at least i would of done) is put a pole up for the community to see which things they want to happen or return to get a general idea of what the community actually wants
Would be nice if we could actually try out the mobs before settling to a vote.
Agreed. I just don't understand why they can't add all three of the mobs to the game.
They could, but they just needs more time for a Beaurocratic approval and development cycle for all 3 of them. However their main purpose is for marketing and hype anyways so none of them will be added if there is no vote.
Literally explained in the video.🙄
They could, but for the price of not getting as much of an actual update done. Regardless of what you think about the amount of work they are putting in, the fact remains that they can only add a limited number of features. They choose to get the update done better.
1:46 Okay, let me stop you right there. Literally, as that is what the pause button does.
A vote for another mob is not a vote against one. That would only be the case if anybody was given more than one vote or there was an explicit "please not the armadillo" option. People are voting for the option they like the most, not for the only option they like.
Full disclosure: I voted Armadillo. I do like the penguin and crab and would love to see them in game sooner rather than later, but they are just completely useless. Which wouldn't be a problem if the third option wasn't just that beneficial compared to the other two.
Hey Toycat, firstly happy thanksgiving. Secondly I'm curious if you would have created a musical masterpiece calling for the taiga to be updated had history played out a little differently? And more importantly what song would you have used?
The players think the mob is already finished, and they want to experience them all, but they are just concepts (like the phantom).
If anything getting them to decide what they do beforehand lock's them in, when they might find something better afterward.
tbh I love the Allay. I would have voted for the copper golem probably (if I could have voted that year), but I'm honestly glad the Allay got in instead. Its not super useful to casual players, but that's okay because its one of my favorite mobs of all time now.
You mentioned how good the glow squid is for its glow ink sacs, but I think that job was Supposed to be filled by the glow berries. I mean, it would give them an actual use and would totally make sense.
Glow berries are light sources you can eat. Thats a pretty decent use. They are also used to breed foxes.
@@NightLexic they are sweet berries that slightly glow and grow on the ceiling. Sure, I guess it's a use, but I feel like it just makes sense that glow berries should make signs glow. My theory (without too much evidence) is that the glowing signs and Item frames were originally supposed to be attained by using glow berries, but when the glow squid unexpectedly won, they couldn't figure out what to do with it and just gave the glowing effects to it instead.
I think a good way of solving that would be like
two phases of voting
one in where there are three mobs
and then the second in which the two most voted mobs are the options.
This would be the most fair option, although it would be better if they added the three instead of making people leave disappointed
I think it would be better if the votes where from the develops own personal projects.
This wold make the vote not only feel more close to the community but would also help raise ideas that may be struggling to get the pass to get in the game. It shoud also help fix the information issue by allowing the dev to give a deep talk about the project.
Is just supposed to be a fun little thing. They are standalone mobs so they don't affect the development workflow much, and it gives players a nice little feeling of agency, when mojang struggles to decide which mob to add first.
You brought up many good points of ways to improve the mob vote but you didn’t mention one that would get rid of the problem as a whole.
Get rid of the mob vote.
You said it yourself in the video, adding all 3 would get rid of the point of the mob vote. If Mojang gets rid of the mob vote but still adds at least one more mob into the game it gets rid of the players complaint of loosing other potential mobs. Getting rid of the mob vote would also lower the fighting and war over the mob vote and lessen the hate towards Mojang, despite maybe some initial backlash.
To some other points you made in the video, mobs introduced in the mob vote aren’t liked as much because Mojang doesn’t commit to them fully. They only add what’s shown in the trailer, nothing more and sometimes they add less. They add only the surface level. The Sniffer could’ve been a promising new mob that really enhanced the archeological side of the game but instead they made it only dig up 2 plants. Neither plant has any features, crafting recipes, or are brewing ingredients despite looking very unique and one of them LITERALLY BEING CALLED THE TORCHFLOWER. They made a living, moving version of the brush but didn’t do anything with it.
I could rant for longer but my comments already long enough.
Good video Toycat, byyyyyyeee
Mojang doesn’t care. It’s just their stupid marketing stunt.
@@HungryWarden ain’t no way I wrote an entire essay and you respond with that
@@micanizerhd4296 yeah, sadly, what I said is likely true, since they’re under a money loving corporation, I don’t think they care at this point.
Great vid toycat!
I honestly forgot the armadillo was even a thing
0:50 I do post mortems at work and this freaked my out low-key
It seems like if they just added your top three mob choices of all time from a drop down menu in the settings menu then Mojang would always have real time data across all users of all of their top three choices from the entire catalog and they could choose what to develop based on the popularity numbers and everyone would be happy they could just knock them off the list as they go and the list would constantly be updated by the users because it’s tied to the accounts
yall telling me loosing a crab over wolf armor worse than loosing the wildfire over insomnia?
one thing I think they should do is like biome votes like they did before or like bigger stuff and still add mobs and also they should like maybe do a beta snap shot before the vote so people can see what they do [glow squid]
The frog (and penguin?) Mojangcan take their time to fully consider the mob and use it if it fits in, for example.
I think it's a bit funny that this is still a topic worth discussing. It's natural to feel disappointment after losing a vote, especially if all choices bring something good to the table. But there also comes a time where you have to come to terms with that loss.
I think Mojang should look into how to make the next vote less of a disappointment, probably by adding another mob vote loser into the game. The fact that it only happened once seems to be the thing that makes people so uneasy about letting go of their favorite choice this year. In that sense confirming that the copper golem and tuff golem would not come with the next update, which would be perfect for them, is Mojang sabotaging themselves severely.
But I also think the community went pretty overboard with their attempts to undermine the results of this year's vote or their campaigns to stop the votes altogether. It's pretty petty, especially since the next update seems pretty hype, whether you like the armadillo or not.
I voted for the Armadillo because of these reasons:
1. The wolf is my favorite mob in the game
2. Wolf armor was one of my biggest wishes since 2013
3. The Crab and Penguin didn't seem interesting enough to me
4. The Armadillo winning might finally get Mojang to add the Savannah update since the Armadillo lives in the Savannah and they also eat termites which Mojang wanted to add alongside Ostriches and Baobab trees.
The simple answer for why the Armadillo won is because the wolf is one of the most popular mobs in Minecraft. People just love wolves and they want them to be better protected and not die so easily.
something i think people forget about the sniffer is that during last years mob vote, it was the only one that guaranteed a new feature.
with the rascal, in the announcement it gave tiny jens and tiny agnes an enchanted pickaxe, which was clearly iron, meaning itd be useless by the time you got diamonds which does not take very long. the tuff golem was shown holding items and walking around, which while neat doesn't really add anything new.
in the sniffer reveal, it was said "maybe even get some new plants, if the community votes for the sniffer." while it wasnt said if the "new plants" would be just a decorative flower or a new crop, it was atleast guaranteed to be something new. i and i believe a lot of the community learned from the previous mob votes and only went by exclusively what was said in the reveal trailers, and not let any theorizing or expectations dictate what would be added. thats why i voted for the sniffer and why i wasnt disappointed.
i really hope mojang learns from the mob vote, especially for the sake of mobs like the tuff golem and copper golem. the tuff golem is a neat idea that id love to use, but it isnt really "useful" in the way most of the community wants. and the copper golem got an even shorter end of the stick, a mob designed exclusively for redstone users never had a chance and i think that's a massive shame.
They did learn from the last vote. That's why the candidates were far more equal this year, because they listened to the criticism. And I recall Copper Golem getting a good amount of votes. Also Allay also had redstone uses, not directly, but it had a function.
Yup, the only way to improve the vote is to give more details. If their initial detail can still be asked with a question, give more details. Let's take the Rascal, they say you find him underground, and play hide and seek with it, and if you find him, he'll reward you items that help you mine. From that alone, there are questions like:
-Is it always underground, or is it in a specific part of the underground like a specific depth, biome, or structure?
-What counts as finding him successfully, is it multiple times or just one time?
-What type of items that help you mine will he reward you, is it just any pick axe, does it include shovels, is it a specific tier, is it always enchanted or not, will it have exclusive enchantments, will it have exclusive items?
5:40 weren't frogs more part of a biome vote, which was explicitly stated to be a vote for the /order/ of the updates, rather than which ones are added?
12:38 Although you could get a domesticated fox and alot of the states does allow you to have one (though the type might vary state to state)
There should be themes like mobs that just exist and have all three mobs do nothing so it’s just pick your fav one and then there should be one for like building where all three mobs have some sort of thing that makes building easier and people pick the one they think will help them the most idk it’s just an idea
Why the allay hate TC? It's genuinely useful for going out and getting missed blocks when gathering resources. Also cute!
(Admittedly....the tendancy to break leashes on loading , not existing near spawn and disappearing randomly is very annoying. They should follow you and come back better)
You can easily walk and pick up the items rather than look for a rare structure for a mob with unreliable AI
I wanted the crab but I'm 100% okay with the savannah not sucking
it would be funny if the phantoms were added to the end instead and while you avoid eye contact with ender men, you also have to look at phantoms to prevent them from knocking you off your sky bridge
That's a cool mechanic
@@InterstellarBountyHunter521hell nah. That would be so annoying especially with how they swarm. End would be nearly unplayable
I have a better mechanic. I still love the idea of them only spawning after the player doesn’t sleep after three days. But instead of just spawning like how they do. They’ll spawn after the player goes to sleep. Then, they’ll wake the player up in the middle of the night. It’ll make them feel like their in the players dream (I know they aren’t actually in the players dreams. They just act like mobs you would see in a dream) The player can choose if they either want to fight them. Or go back to sleep.
Would be better as something that spawns in both the Overworld and the End and attacks you if you’re flying near them with Elytra.
I've been saying this for a long time. Not only does it make sense lore wise because the membranes repair elytra, the End is not for the weak hearted (the early to mid game players) and it would make it not only more difficult on all levels of stage in the game and player skill, the End is the most overpowered place to get stacked with good gear very quickly. Make it hard for the late game players at the expense that it's harder for early and mid game players. Having to fight phantoms to get your elytras, shulker boxes, and diamond gear just makes sense. Sure, the shulkers themselves are difficult to fight, but nothing else is really threatening in the End once the dragon is dead, because the endermen can be so easily avoided by either not looking at them or just getting a pumpkin and using a texture pack to allow yourself to see better. Small, simple changes like this would make the game so much better, and honestly at this point we have a very limited amount of mobs that spawn in multiple dimensions and I think adding a couple more will make the game just a little bit better, and it will make the phantom a whole lot more scary and challenging but in a good way. If it turns out to be too overpowered in their current state, nerf them. We have had buffs and nerfs with hostiles before, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
21:30 the solution is to have it NOT be a vote. Have it as an announcement for all 3 to bring hype. If you still want it to be a vote, the vote can be for which mob comes first, but the other two will come next over the course of the year. Instead of the millionth new block that doesn't change anything for survival.
The other solution to this whole problem is to add all 3 mobs, and add an option in-game to decide what mobs can or can't spawn in your world.
For example: keep the penguin, remove the Phantom from the spawn pool. Remove chickens cuz they crash the game, keep pigs. It can be a list of toggles just like "keep inventory" and keeping it always daytime.
Alright. The last thing. To do a better job at filtering out blind voting from peer pressure and stuff, your vote can require a small explanation of your reason why you want the mob. And maybe even some ideas for what the mob can do.
I think that the issue is that Mojang isn’t having the losing mobs run against new mobs in the next year. That way people don’t get as upset because then they can just vote for the mob they wanted the next year.
3:40 - 4:20 This is why I voted armadillo personally. I knew more of what I was getting into with wolf armor than block reach (it places blocks, but does it break blocks) or boat speed (dolphin 2.0 or can we have it in the boat). Wolf armor is cool and all, but my vote was more of one for certainty than for the armadillo, or against the crab or penguin, since I do actually think all three could’ve been cool if implemented correctly.
the way the vote should be done is instead of getting one vote you rank the choices from your favorite to least favorite
whichever option gets the least number 1's is out and then the number 1 voter's votes go to their number 2 choice and repeat the proccess until only 2 mobs remain and whichever mob wins after that gets added, that way the most people are the most happy about the result
This is my idea of how they could do the mob votes, what if instead of being between three mobs, each mob has its own vote on wether it should be added and people choose between yes and no and if over 50% of people vote yes (wouldn't have to be 50%, I'm just using that as an example) then the mob is added oblivious of wether the others are as well, each person can also vot on every mob not just one so get to display there opinion on all three rather than saying which is there favorite. It's not perfect but it would probably leave more people satisfied than the current system. It would also mean all three could be added, however I now realize it could also end up adding non of them, like I said it's not the perfect solution, but it's an interesting idea in my opinion.
12:40 but foxes are useful for certain gamemodes and challenges and you can use them to make berry farms and chicken farms !
Neither berry farms nor chicken farms need foxes, and extremely niche modes an extremely small playerbase does does not justify a mob's existence
@@EmperorPenguin1217 foxes can kill chickens with enchanted swords in their mouth like looting ... but how do you make a berry farm without foxes?
@@clockdragon515 Considering how easily mass producable chickens and low health they are neither of those are necessary, and you can use dispensers with bone meal to get berries super fast
@@EmperorPenguin1217 using bone meal isn't 100% automatic and while yes chickens are easily farmable,it is the most cost effective way to make an auto farm of them.
Mojang should have been more specific in details like how far the claw would extend reach and if the penguin would have to be in the boat yo make it go faster. The best way I think to improve the vote is to give better details, have more than one mob attached to a vote i.e. armadillo and zebra, and bring back older options for second chance instead of banishing them to the idea library. They need make it clear on what the mob will provide the player and the world.
Fun fact. The reason why modders can create mobs quicker than Mojang can is because modders aren’t actually creating new mobs. They are just remodeling current mobs and disguised them as the new mobs.
Also, just an opinion. I don’t think these mobs are really that bad. Just unfinished. Take for example, the sniffer. It’s a pretty cool mob. But it only finds two flowers. That’s it. If it can find ten or more. It would’ve been fine. But they don’t have the time to finish these mobs. Because unlike normal mobs. They don’t know which one they’ll be working on until it’s announced.
IMO the allay did actually have aquite an interesting use, in item sorting, automatic item collection, but were clunky to use, so get overlooked
And also are a hassle to get.
what i believe to be the reason for the fox and allay to be the most liked mobs from mob votes is simply because they gave us what they told us they'd do. foxes are cute little animals to populate taigas and allay can give you gifts or help you out in one way or another. meanwhile with stuff like phantoms and sniffers we get really disappointed because the way they deliver is... not good. and thus, people don't like them as much. the least they promise, the lower our expectations, the least backlash they get from mad players, that's what i got from all this.
I still think that they should also give Cats armor now.
Why? Cats don't go out on wars.. The Wolves get the excuse cause the Wolves actually fight, But Cats? Cats don't fight.
The problem is that the mojang doesn’t tell us the full picture of each mob and then they under deliver. Ppl are mad not bc mobs aren’t what they wanted but because they are not what was promised
I voted for the armadillo because I like them. It’s just an animal I want to see in the game. I think that’s entirely reasonable.
Doesn't really help the issue that (a portion of) the community often feels disappointed with the implementation of the chosen mob, and will likely "regret" whichever wins, even though the same would happen with the others.
Also the complaint that it introduces features players could have, onlly to have to choose just 1. Good in theory (give community a say, still adding a new free feature, etc), but seems to leave a sour taste in people's mouths because they see what could be, but have to close the door on 2 of those possibilities.
Or the flip side, where there's not much enthusiasm for any of the 3 choices. Basically, there's a balancing issue where mojang can either come up with 3 really neat ideas (which will leave people upset to miss out on 2), pretty minor/uninteresting ideas (people upset because of how "unimaginative" they are, time wasted on this vs work on good updates), or there's a weird mix I guess (maybe best option overall, but makes people dislike the mob vote itself, think it's "rigged", or resent the lack of focus on their favorite thing (so if a biomes update had you favorite real world biome, but not much was out into it. Or favorite animal - see penguin fans who wished mojang either added a better feature for them or made it more clear how it'd work or be useful - this is another huge issue, the lack of clarity in the mob vote videos. They're super cool, but leave out implementation details, confusing the community.
Another issue might be tying mobs to features. A good option I'd like would be for the winning mob to be fully implemented,with its unique features and all. And then for the 2 losing mobs to be added as just basic animals, like just a model/texture that roams around in their specified biome (just drop generic "meat" item shared by all such "environment/ambient" mobs). I think this might not be a popular option though, as 1) both mojang and the community seem to dislike adding new models/blocks/etc without some new unique purpose or gameplay feature that only applies to them
and 2) might still be too much work (in mojang's eyes), as they (mojang, microsoft, and the community) might not be okay with the mobs just roaming in some basic universal way like I suggest, but would want to give them unique animations and stuff (so penguins couldn't just be easily added and made to roam around like cows or horses whatever, they'd want them to like splash around in the water and have unique sounds and animations and all that. Basically, doesn't fit the current game design to have "generic" animal mobs, but it'd be nice just for environment and for players to have irl animals they like, even if just to see them randomly walking about the biome you're exploring)
I feel like Allays and Foxes are the most useful out of all these mobs.
Foxes can make cooked chicked farms, berry farms, there's skyblock use for them.
Allays bring items, they are insane for non-stackable itemsorters and other contraptions.
chicken farms and berry farms don't need foxes, and an extremely niche use done by a small amount of players doesnt justify a mob
Allays are worse than hoppers and their AI is unreliable
@@EmperorPenguin1217 They still habe more innate use than some of the other vote winners.
@@SilverTwinkle Being marginally better than the other winners doesn't make them good
they should just actually tell us what all of the features are going to be and then try to select 3 mobs that could fit a similar theme but would offer different things. Like say they were updating the end so they did a mob vote between 3 end related mobs and they actually explained the details of how it would work and maybe some points on what it would actually bring to the game. One mob could be a cute mob for ambience, one could have a unique drop, and maybe one could be a new challenge. Because personally my least favorite mob vote was between the glow squid, moo bloom, and chillager (original name is better) and part of the reason for that was the vagueness of the features and how unrelated they all were to each other, satisfying entirely different niches for different types of players rather than narrowing the scope to a decision between what fit best in a given scenario/area of the game. I personally 100% feel like the chillager was the best choice since he seemed the most feature rich and would have fit caves and cliffs really well and you can get an idea of what he does from minecraft dungeons but the thing is we never actually saw what he or any of the other mobs would even do in game to draw a proper conclusion. During the vote they said the glow squid would give that underwater cave ambience and they sorta do that but we never knew what the drop was going to be and it ended up being something that could have easily been given to glowberries. So because people were allowed to have their own idea in their head, they associate a bias within the mob itself based on subjective factors. For some the best choice was that glow squid for underwater cave ambience, for others the moo bloom was the best because it would have updated bees, a pretty lackluster feature/update in general. For me the chillager was the best because i felt it fit the theme of the update the best, i love when they add more illagers, villagers, and related structures, and what i saw in mods afterwards confirmed what i wanted to see of him having his own log cabin structure and you could get his ice ability somehow, etc etc. The reality is that we don't even know if his ice ability would have worked the same or if it would have just been annoying to fight against in regular minecraft compared to dungeons, there is no guarantee of anything else like a structure or even fun to fight mob behavior, and while the possibility of a drop like a totem or emeralds is probable given what we know about other illagers, he could just not work how anyone expects and just end up being another nuisance like the phantom. Just explain the potential features so the people who care about what goes into the game will be more informed on the choice since we're the majority of the people voting anyway, most casual minecraft players don't even keep up with the updates and just redownload it and go "oh that's cool when did they add that".
Very good video!
Talking of phantoms. I think it would be a pretty cool and unique mob if it just was moved to the end. Flying is basically a theme of the end so it would make sense to have them there
You can't compare political systems that affect people's livelihoods with a choice of 3 gifts from a videogame developer.
The issue with choosing mobs often will come down to choice psychology where the more invested you are in a choice, the more disappointed you will be when it doesn't meet your heightened expectations, and the more you yearn for the other options. It's often better to make trivial choices faster, with less consideration, as it will lead to a more happier outcome.
“People expect to have stronger emotional reactions (including regret) to an outcome that is produced by action than to the same outcome when it is produced by inaction.” -Daniel Kahneman, Thinking Fast And Slow
Maybe it would be better, if the mobs in the vote did the same thing, but in different ways.
For example, let's say we have a vote, in which the three mobs are a food source in a biom that doesn't already have one.
So, the desert gets a good old mob that drops meat.
The Tundra gets a mob that digs out frozen berries from the snow, which negate freezing damage.
And then dark oak forests get a mob, that grows shearable food on itself.
Just some random examples. If the mobs did the same thing, but in different ways, we could focus our attention on wbere we need those the most and which look best.
SilentWisperer was maybe the worst conspiracy theorists bc he was upset the crab didn’t win. That’s what he gets for forcing the allay on us. It’s such a finicky and obnoxious mob that you can hardly use it
Statistically when there are more than 2 choices to vote on the majority of votes will be for the loosing choices.
We see this in politics all the time. This does not mean something went wrong.
The only way to fix this kind of action is to do elimination votes. Where the lowest voted item is removed then people vote again on the new set of electors. Until there is only one or 1 elector gains more than 50% of the vote.
Outro joke was adorable and took a second to click, 9/10! Here’s an idea, start with four mobs; a face off between two second-place finishers from previous years, and another face off between two new mob ideas, followed by a grand finale between the winners of the “playoffs”. By my reckoning, there are enough runner-up mobs at this point to do this for at least three years, by which time there will be enough losers to do it again, which will produce another loser, allowing for a fifth year before it would be 100% played out. The trouble with democracy, or any government system, really, is that some people hold certain minority opinions REALLY strongly and are prepared to get violent if voting isn’t getting them what they want; this is especially the case when a majority opinion becomes a minority opinion (like racism recently in the United States), and people who used to be able to get what they wanted by voting no longer can. 😬
Not sure if it's been said yet but it's SO EASY for Mohang to fix anyways! Just say that you're voting for the mob that gets worked on first! That way it'll leave players less disappointed.
24:30 it also means people think they know what they want because a whole new dimention also means they want to see more mobs then there are in the selection, they think they are gonna get more by choosing it or by boredom, which also answers you that most of the people choosing in mob votes are long time players. i think :D
26:10
I thought in the 2017 mob vote that the great hunger was the best but people hoped that the phantom would open up a new area for mobs as ones that truly fly high in the sky are pretty much non-existent and elytra travel was pretty recent at the time
I think that the trial keys will allow the player to disable a trial spawner until the key is removed.
Admiral Graf Spee In the back ground, She was sunk by royal navy near Brazil at the battle of River Plate
If anything, hasn't it sparked democracy, seeing as so many people decided to sign petitions to vote for all three? I'd say that is also a democratic action.
In any case, I believe the upset was over the lost functionality rather than the aesthetics of the mobs. I don't think people would be too upset if dolphins now affected boats as well, and we could craft an item or potion that extends our block reach without adding the crab or penguin.
Mojang needs to make the process of making a mod as simple as possible for both Bedrock and Java. Giving consumers the option to add content based on their personal likes turns the vote into a discussion that let's people rant about their regrets and pet peeves like phantoms.
Having a civil but spicy debate among the fan base is good for business imo.
Perhaps instead of having mob votes, Mojang should just add a new mob with each update and leave it to be found when people play.
The good thing about the Biome vote is that they gave relatively little mechanical information,
Instead they said things like "Snowier Snow" that indicated a vibe.
The glow squid was so disappointing because they were making the mob mysterious as a joke,
However if the pitch would've been: "we want to add a mob to the ice peaks, flower forest or dark ocean."
The choices are equal, but the stakes not high enough for people to truly get upset.
Crabs and penguins were a bit too generic in my opinion. The armadillo was the only option which fit alongside Mojang’s tradition of adding sort of peculiar animals that you wouldn’t have expected, such as the ocelot or the axolotl. Plus I strongly feel that the Mesa desperately needs some animal life, and the armadillo needs to be added to it.
At the VERY LEAST, they need to let you put small cheasts on the wolf armor and enable you to have more control over the wolf, like how far away you allow them to stray and let you give them stuff to incease attack aswell.
Hey, Toycat. Why don’t you make a video comparing the Minecraft Mob Vote to the Ark creature vote and the creatures the community seems to love that resulted from them.
Maybe if the format was different, people wouldn't get mad. Like, imagine a world where for a one day period, you could reply on a forum the name of a mob you want added (and Minecraft manually add made-up mobs or - if people can band together - create a movement behind a made-up mob that has a profile) and once the information is filtered and counted, people can suggest what it should do. It would be lenghty process, but if you have nothing to compare it to, you can't really get mad and if one of the profile-style mobs gain so much support that people do get mad, maybe it should be added.
I feel like having it where instead of voting for one mob out of three to keep, you're voting for one mob to vote out and two to keep. Even if its like they add the mobs over the span of two updates instead of one, it would be better then just tossing the two mobs that didn't get the most votes in the bin of chance and pretending like they could one day come back without emphasizing how unlikely it is.
I think you can still have a winning state without a more likely fail state.
What if each year they'd do a vote including the losers of last year + a new mob?
This will result in potential ideas to be stuck in fail state indefinitely, but that's very unlikely. The more likely scenario is that mobs will be added in the order that the community wants them.