The REAL Reason Mojang Ruined Copper Bulbs (NEW LEAK)
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literally the whole point of adding new redstone is that they're new and NOT like old features 😭
I mean, they're still new just slower, the tick speed really only made existing contraptions more compact and simple or faster
@@whendowedie7835 I'm pretty sure copper bulbs literally have nothing unique now
@@whendowedie7835it’s not new anymore because it works the same as other blocks that were already in the game, the speed was the only thing it had going for it, so it doesn’t bring anything useful to red stone anymore
@@lukestarkiller1470One block t flipflop is still pretty major, no?
@@PeacockLover127 they stay on without a redstone pulse, it'll stay on after pressing a button, that's pretty valuable
Didn't think my tweets would kickoff the video lol. But the parity reason is actually a lot worse than most think. Minecraft runs at 20 tick per second and bedrock redstone is locked at only 10tps basically only giving redstoners half the timings they could use. Their solution to parity is just to make the java Copper Bulb worse rather than fix the root problem of bedrock's redstone system. We had a long convo with a dev in a discord and this was the one question they were dodging saying "it wasn't the only reason"
Cough Cough you ask for parity don’t complain when you wanted parity and now here we are complaining about parity.
@@rainbowdash3419 theres a difference between a good change and a bad change
this is a horrible change (at least for redstoners)
also parity isnt the only reason, im pretty sure someone reported it as a bug and it got accepted somehow
@@n2co2o2onthat person should get the “wood chopper” treatment
lol hi
@@rainbowdash3419 my take on parity along with most java redstoners is that its a complete joke lol. I do not care about parity in the slightest
Rather than a simple revert, **GIVE EACH COPPER BULB DIFFERENT DELAY!** The copper bulb has four oxidation stages, perfect for four delay settings. If parity is a concern, just make the delays in redstone ticks instead of game ticks on Bedrock edition. There will never be parity with Java edition as long as redstone is locked to 10 ticks per second anyway.
I was about to type the same but I saw your comment and liked it so more people will see it.
Issue is, you aren't a game designer.
@@LineOfThy Yes, I am. What about you?
@@areadenial2343 honestly even if you weren't it's so stupid to act like people who aren't gave designers shouldn't be allowed to give feedback on games, do they think that the official feedback site is only for game designers or something????
@@LeahbunVODS answer the person’s question
I genuinely hope this wasn't done for parity with Bedrock. The existing parity with Bedrock, even in redstone, is abysmal. Unless they are going to go back and 'fix' all of the other examples of bad parity, this doesn't accomplish anything of significance.
Next update: In order to create consistency with redstone, we removed quasi-connectivity from Java and made tile entities immovable in Bedrock!
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast I would be all for removing quasi-connectivity for a better feature that allows the same behavior but optional per build but the movable tile entities should definitely come over to java.
@@christopheriman4921 If they were to remove it, they’d have to give ample warning because of all of the machines made over the years that would break, as well as give a good alternative so the fun mechanics can say the way they are.
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast change pistons on Java and pistons on Bedrock to 2 different types of piston. Rename Java pistons to "quasi-connective pistons" or smth. Then add the missing type to each version
I am almost certain they have redstone parity planned for the far future of parity
Crafter change isn't that bad as long as Copper bulb would remained the same. The problem is that they changed that for no reason
Crafter with no delay allowed us to make an extremely compact decimal counter
@@mioszantas4462 Ok my brain is too small for that. For now I was playing only with bulb but I see that op crafter also had it's uses
@@mioszantas4462 Since the decimal counter systems use droppers, which already have the same delay, this won't be affected
no, parity is not a vallid excuse. redstone is already very different and further divergence doesn't hurt parity one bit
If parity was so important we would have Javas food that heals fast on bedrock.
@@freaktv1069 if parity was important- they wouldn't have used pocket edition as the universal minecraft.
Yeah the parity argument doesnt have any ground to stand on, because bedrock redstone is so fundamentally broken it cant be compared to java
Ehh it makes you java players angry and care about us for once
If they're gonna change redstone like this in the name of "parity", who's to say quasi-connectivity won't be next? Will this become the Combat Update for the redstone community for how controversial that would be?
Mojang is trying to centralize in a world that's Decentralizing
@@ReiseLukasWhat does that mean?
@Ethan5I5 their trying to conjoin 2 different games ie minecraft bedrock and javaa
Parity between 2 games in 2 different languages is laughable at best.
@@witherschat The problem is more that they're built for ENTIRELY different platforms, rather than being different languages :V
You think Bedrock not having 1.19 combat, or having pre-1.0 Chest Models, or missing a texture pane for a coral block, or slightly slanted rain textures, or slightly different snow, or a slightly more transparent bar or such are ALL Coding?
How about Redstone? C++ can do the Quasi-Connectivity, but they changed how Redstone worked intentionally so it'd run on your shitty 10+ year old smartphone/be less intensive. And also UI/mechanics that suit Console/Mobile better.
The copper bulb was really important and the auto crafter were perfect until this happened WHY MOJANG😭😭
being able to craft TWENTY ITEMS A SECOND was op as heck. Glad they fixed that, but yea agree that the bulb was fine Edit: ...fine before, I'm saying the bulb did not need changing, the crafter did
@@aceplante why? it was fine before
@@aceplanteyou can't make compact decimal counters any more. Amagine your PC being 10x bigger because quantum tunneling happened at a larger scale. (Search up quantum tunneling and its effects on silicon based transistors)
@@fast-toast To clarify, I'm saying the bulb was fine BEFORE and should not have been changed. I liked how it had a unique pulse delay. The crafter on the other hand definitely needed a delay though, and even 5 times a second may still be too fast. Maybe twice a second?
@@aceplante yeah, but the crafters unique tick speed is what allowed for those binary counters. And is it realy that op to have supper fast auto-crafters when people can make farms that give you hundreds of items a minute.
Mojang: "lets take things people really really like and make them worse" Also Mojang: " give us more money"
Microsoft*
@@Speed001Mojang*
@@Speed001I dont think microsoft cares about a small feature like this. This time, its probably mojang's fault.
@@Speed001 its mojang, theyre the developers and corporate of their own company
@@Tim-1234 alright, fair enough
as a bedrock only player, i can say: there are enough difference between both types of redstone, that it dont really matter to us that the copper bulb has a 1 tick delay.
Mojang has the most backwards thought process when it comes to parity. "Let's take the worst feature of the 2 versions and implement that one to both" **cough cough barrel** **cough cough cobwebs**
they chose that because they couldn't have it work on bedrock so they "fixed" it on java but java and bedrock are so different so unless they completely change both version to be more similar their is no point.
some things like the copper bulb make sense, because it would take a fair amount of effort to make it work the old way on bedrock edition, just because of the way bedrock redstone timings work. but stuff like the crafting recipes or the color of grass has always just baffled me. :/
What's wrong with the barrel and cobwebs again?
@@VoyagerVentures On Bedrock, the barrel used to be cheaper and crafted with 6 sticks and 2 slabs. The cobwebs used to be uncraftable into 9 string, they could of just nerfed it to 4 string and then added that to both Java and Bedrock without outright removing it.
@@VoyagerVentures barrels used to be cheaper to craft on bedrock, and you used to be able to craft cobwebs into string on bedrock. They changed the barrel recipe to match java, and removed the cobweb recipe. I can understand the barrels, but why remove a good recipe instead of adding it to both versions?!
Toycat is so unwilling to let it go that the entrance to the trial chamber is in fact the first room. The reason the small pocket of air exists beyond the door is so the copper would be exposed from a cave. Right now it doesn't always generate in a way where the entrance is always exposed to air similar to how amethyst geodes are always cracked open, but the opening doesn't always open up into a cave.
Not going to lie I find it a little funny how he keeps refusing to acknowledge this despite all evidence pointing to that being the case. You can even tell which direction you're supposed to walk through that room at because the vent only works in a single direction. Not to mention the chests that generate in the entrance have unique loot tables which give you very basic items to get your journey into the chamber started. I believe they're even at the highest layer of the chamber as well.
Technically you could break into the chamber at any point, but this is true for all structures. The woodland mansion has a clearly marked front door, but nothing is stopping you from smashing through a wall or window to get inside.
Slight correction, amethyst geodes CAN spawn closed. It's just rare.
Anyways, yeah. This just seems to make sense
the WM also has hidden rooms, so breaking parts might even be encouraged for the sake of exploration
Pretty sure it’s also the first room that generates in the structure which is further evidence for your point
honestly I don't even do redstone and think this was a stupid change. it made these block unique in the world and allowed people to get more compact and creative with their redstone builds.
and the fact it was done because someone decided they personally didn't like it and wanted it too act like every other block is extremely stupid as it takes away the unique aspect of these new blocks which would have made them extremely unique and useful for redstoners.
also getting really sick of new features being scrapped for "parody." the games don't need to be 100% identical. redstone on bedrock already works entirely differently then java. so having this little difference doesn't really bloody matter in the long run.
also no mojang and microsoft. I will not be giving you new money. because you keep scrapping features I get excited for because of "parody" or because SOME fireflies are toxic too frogs. you can screw off with your marketplace subscription BS.
It's not "parody", it's "parity". And it is actually pretty important.
@@BeardedMan8319 not really no. not when it's causing good features to be removed because they simply don't want to put the work in. and honestly the Redstone systems are still completely different. so if they want "Parity" then they already failed.
this was a stupid change. and nothing will change my mind on this stance. so don't bother trying.
Ps I knew it was Parity. I put Parody because it's a bloody joke too think these games will ever be identical.
@@alicemation because it's a joke to think a game made on two different scripting languages can be 100% identical. it is funny to me as a game developer.
@@crimsondragon1794if anything you should have said bedrock is basically drawing Minecraft from memory thus it is making mojang the joke. Meaning parody would be the right word
So did you just not watch the video because it sounds like you are completely ignoring everything ibxtoycat said
Last I checked someone put up a bug fix complaint or whatever in the official place were we mention bugs and it got looked at and “fixed” despite being a intended feature kinda can understand why people are upset about this it’s 1 a change that nerfed the blocks (they did both the crafter and the copper bulb btw) and took away what redstone the redstone community found unique about them. 2 it was already so praised for its features and even was said to be intended mechanics so for it to be “fixed” because of a single bug fix report is rather frustrating. Yes it’s a snapshot but they got the blocks right the first time and it’s functionality opened the door for not only more streamlined redstone but also more intresting redstone.
Me I kinda agree with the redstoners here I’m not really that into redstone but I can understand the complaints about the topic. I do hope they listen to feedback and revert the change
The crafter change makes sense (though it probably should have been 4 ticks, like droppers, instead of 6), it can even help with crafting too fast, which results in wrong recipes. The copper bulb change is painful though. It's still a flip flop tbf, but the 1 tick delay was really nice.
Redoing bedrock redstone from ground up is an enormous task that will require an update or 2 (depending on how it's spead out), but I do believe it has to be done ASAP, since more problems like this will arise with time.
@leochangesnames if your crafter was crafting too fast you just needed to give it a slower redsone clock. This nerf does nothing but harm the people who would benefit from the lack of cooldown
just... fix bedrock.
Mojang trying not to picking one worst feedback instead of tousands of good feedbacks: impossible
"no fun allowed"
-mojang
No thats the nfl
It's not nearly that simple.
I think part of the reason the Entrance room is thought to be the first room is also because of the tree. What’s the first thing we do in Minecraft? Break a tree. It’s like you’re being given wood before you go inside.
There already are ways to copy the functionality of the copper bulbs' 1 tick delay but they require more blocks and therefore more space. There's literally no reason to get rid of the 1 tick delay of the copper bulb if they aren't getting rid of all ways to have redstone be in odd tickrates and just double down on redstone ticks.
dont give them ideas...
Red stone in Java and bedrock has always been different so parity between them doesn’t really matter much
Plus if it was for making the components work more like older components (like dispensers, droppers for the crafter and note blocks, redstone lamps for copper bulbs) they would have made QC work for crafters like it does for dispensers and droppers.
believe me a lot of bedrock players will complain if the copper bulb is back to 1 tick in java but not bedrock
@@fldom4610 Bedrock literally do not have the ability to do it. Bedrock is locked to 10tps for redstone unlike Java's 20. So unless mojang reworks that parity is completely inane.
At this point I say : no more parity
Thanks to it both versions are losing
Toycat: People say its a small country, but it takes a few hours to get through.
Meanwhile, Texans: Hey, there's a new grocery store in town, its only 2 1/2 hours away, y'all wanna come?
Even if the copper bulb can't work on Bedrock the same way it worked on Java previously, I think they should let Java players have the one tick delay bulb. Redstone is already *very* different between versions, and for most basic builds the copper bulb probably won't make or break creations the same way some other differences would.
I think they should let the features they removed since it was about time that redstone made its big leap into more optimization. Redstone should naturally become more compact because the redstone community already knows how to make the most efficient and compact of contraptions, the next step is to add new redstone components capable of doing these so players can get back to optimizing and creating instead of getting stuck
The copper grate bug is probably because the copper grate was built using the copper block code, so when the copper block becomes waxed it becomes a waxed copper block, and that wasn't changed for the grate
That’s just grate.
did you really just do that@@HungryWarden
@@thespud1094 I did, it was grate, wasn’t it?
Parity, parity... If they really cared about that they'd add movable tile entities to Java
Or stopped removing actual good Bedrock Features and instead making Java a better game!
@@georgeshaw4017both could benefit from features of the other Version.
Give bedrock deterministic Redstone.
Give java moveable tile entities.
But java is purely a better Game, because the players can make it a better Game.
There will be mods which will give copper bulbs a one gt delay.
ye that's because they don't. The reason they want parity is so they can toot it to their investors.
@@georgeshaw4017 when they add one feature to one version they have to add it to the other one as well.. and a lot of times like the copper bulb they couldn't add it in the bedrock version
@@fldom4610 True! After all it did take eight years for Bedrock to get banner shields because of a coding issue! 🤔🤔🤔🤔
There us no way the key is going to be for a door. If that was the case why would we even bother getting the key when we can just mine though the walls? My guess is that the key will be for some special loot chest that can only be opened with the key and drops no items if you break it.
Yes, that is a problem I have had with the keys since they were added. If what they *could* be unlocking is a door, what's behind the door can be accessed by simply mining through the walls next to it, rendering them pointless. Even if the walls *were* indestructible, you could just eat a chorus fruit. And even if they *made* the area chorus fruit-proof (which is really hard to do), there are too many players that know how to glitch through walls by using ender pearls or boats to do that. So, my best guess is the same as yours; unlocking special loot chests.
@@BeardedMan8319 You don't get chorus fruit until after you beat the game so that isn't a big deal.
There are already several blocks that are difficult or impossible to mine. Plus, they could always use Mining Fatigue.
@@recycledwaste8737 Chorus fruit
@@BeardedMan8319 Chorus Fruit is an end-game item, and the Trial Chambers is a mid-game structure.
I play both versions regularly (java with friends, and bedrock with my kids) and I say parity can eff right off. Bedrock will never get the nether roof, QC, easy BUDs, waterless doors, 3 villager iron farms, or amazing mods like create. "Parity" is starting to feel more and more like lackadaisical coding, making your theory of them failing to successfully complete the one tick components on Bedrock and merely throwing in the "parity" towel seem the most viable.
>Bedrock will never get the nether roof
They COULD, actually. But they wont.
>QC
Would need a rework of Bedrock Redstone, but theoretically likely, Legacy Editions had it i believe and those were C++?
>waterless doors
Admittedly, it's neat to have to cheese things like Ocean Monuments, but this is definitely an Anomaly that likely WILL get fixed, much like placing a torch underwater insta-refilled your air before it broke. Which of course got fixed (with funnily enough not much rage).
>or amazing mods like create
More because the Bedrock Modders are nearly non-existent and it's nowhere near as Modular as Java is, code-wise :V
Now from what i gather, Bedrock COULD ultimately do much more, if it were set up properly... but it isnt, it's kind of a dumpsterfire actually.
Now what WILL likely be impossible is the ability to select an older version and stick to it.
Bedrock cant go back to Alpha or Beta, or Release 1.2, or Release 1.8.9, or Release 1.12.2, or Release 1.16.5, or 1.18.2, or 1.19.4, they're stuck on the latest release versions.
The issue is bedrock and java are built on fundamentally different codebases making certain parity features impossible.
The copper grate bug is likely a simple typo error, Mojang probably mistypes the number that determines which block it turns to.
My guess is they copied the waxing code from copper blocks, and forgot to change "block" to "grate" in one spot.
@@thomaspeck4537 Wonder if it was Jeb again, may he never live down squid milk.
just gonna leave a comment here to see whether youtube is messing with me
@@cement_eater so, was youtube messing with you?
@@OkadaKek no idea if it was, but it's stopped now
Copper bulb = 1 tick
Firefly = 1 pixel
Yah, checks out. Parity. :(
2 pixels.
:(
I think what we should the rally for is a revolution to upgrade bedrock so their redstone isn't so broke that parity with it sucks. I don't play or like bedrock, but I think it benefits everyone when the version is improved.
Bedrock Redstone is not broken duh...
The system was designed to work that way, they are not meant to work on gametick but redstone tick...
the problem is- Bedrock redstone is working as "intended"- poorly enough that it can run on a crap phone just as well as a 10'000 dollar PC.
When it's about pulling every possible dollar out of the maximum player case, they don't care about functionality. They want it to work even on a 100$ knockoff phone that little Jimmy can use his mom's credit card to buy Marketplace items in.
@@chaosstripe9446 There's nothing wrong with optimizing Minecraft to function on lesser hardware. If you have such an issue with that, go cry into your "real gamer" hardware.
@@recycledwaste8737 you didn't provide a single piece of reasoning as to why that is okay.
Subscription models are profitable because they are like "Hey, want this cool one thing? Too bad. You will need to pay for the whole bundle, and you will have to do so repeatedly for the rest of your life, or we will revoke your access to everything you already technically paid for". I'm not usually in favor of the death penalty...
yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me
I think Mojang should just drop total game parity entirely when implementing new features. At this point, it's just straight up ruining feature implementation for the beloved version of the game.
if only the person who made that fake bug report knew what anguish he had unleashed upon the redstoners
Oh he has been getting a lot of angry messages.
Redstone should be exempt from parody.
bedrock, mainly mobile, really holds things back huh
that kind of bug happens when you have to add 20 variants of waxing and un-waxing blocks and you're so tired that you just copy-paste code and forget to change a line 😂
Mojang cycle:
1. Promise a lot of things.
2. Release cool snapshots.
3. Remove what makes the community happy.
4. Not lisen to criticism.
5. Not release all the promised things in full release.
5,5. Maybe split the uppdate in half (or thirds)
6. Repeat
They listen to criticism, 1.20 hasn’t overpromised, it’s still experimental so they would probably revert that, most “criticism” has been nothing but “Mojang bad” and “Mojang lazy”
@@justaguy2183 I don't mean that they're Lady or anything, it was just a bit sad they called something we all liked, I also exhaggerated my comment.
@@miosoderberg6602 That’s completely fine, I just don’t understand the unnecessary hate Mojang gets just because of a change. And also a reminder, a dev has said that the 1-tick copper bulb was intentional and not a bug, so they will most likely reverse it by 1.20.4’s or 1.21’s snapshots
@@justaguy2183 And that's why 1.20 worked greatly!
But then we have all the updates before that were overpromised and under-delievered. Like the first Biome vote, which they still need to add the other biomes, as they promised that all three would be added with their features into the game!
kingbdogz saying somehting and nothing is the same. That guy can't be consistent for 2 days straight.
Sounds like a load of BS. I think we need a new Minecraft dev team.
parity, killing fun and destroying joy since they decided it was a good idea.
Definitely, like how instead of adding good Bedrock Features to Java Editon and making it better, they decide to ruin Bedrock and take away Features.
It is a great idea. They get to write "Added java and bedrock parity" on their monthly investor check-ups and count their bills in the back.
Bedrock is dragging Java players down again, how surprising!
it’s sucks bc most want parity with cool redstone features, offhand, have bugs fixed and mojang has kinda failed them. i used to play bedrock but switched as soon as i had a computer that could play java well
Is it possible that the doorway in the entry hall is supposed to be facing open deep caves, for you to come upon naturally, and then the rest If the structure generates past that?
If I had to guess with that Copper Grate glitch, since Waxed and Unwaxed copper blocks are separated into different IDs, waxing and unwaxing the blocks changes what kind of block they are. But instead of turning into a waxed Grate, someone messed up and put in the Copper Block ID instead. Or something like that.
I think we should get a new armor trim for the trail chambers
i think the entrance the one in the start of the video was suppose to open with the trial key so you can explore more of the trial chambers to get some loot and continue your journey to explore more of the trial chambers.
My guess is the copper Grate bug was caused by simply copying and pasting code for how a copper block works (because there’s no point in recreating the tarnish mechanic) and whoever did it forgot to change the value for what the block becomes when an axe is used to the correct new block.
The fact that mc has two definitive versions holds it back in so many ways
why hold it back? its better to have 2 versions
@@fldom4610 We are denied a good need feature because it doesn’t work on both versions and mojang want parity
@@sleepycCh yes and i think parity is just more fair. Java cant be playable on phone, or console. Thats why they made 2 versions
@@fldom4610 But you do understand this does hold the game back in some ways?
@@sleepycCh I think minecraft is as good without any updates... you may think that you done everything possible in minecraft but believe me you may not even done the first 10%. Understand what a sandbox game is. Like you can make a chair that was not intended by mojang
7:00 probably because in the code you always need to select into which block it turns and in this case they probably copied the copper blocks code and forgot to change it into the grate.
feels like you always give mojang the benefit of the doubt even though they’re deserving of legitimate criticism
Idk what that psychopath was thinking before putting that bug report...
If the reason they changed it was so bedrock and java versions of both blocks would be the same, that's kinda disappointing since it never really seemed to matter how similar or different either version was until now, I mean heck, entire features like cauldron dyeing aren't even present in Java version and yet an extra tick delay was what broke the camels back for them to start making parity between Java and Bedrock? I mean at this point they should've let both versions do their own thing at this point given how many years it's been where java and bedrock had become their own thing, I mean, they even have separate tabs on the Minecraft launcher at this point too solidifying them as their own unique versions too.
I'm not a game developer so obviously I don't know for a fact that it's exactly the same. But in construction and engineering projects a lot of times a person in charge of one section of a larger project comes up with what seems to be a great idea for their particular area of the project. Then later they have to walk it back because it turns out it is incompatible with something in the project as a whole. Just for example maybe an electrician comes up with a more efficient wiring circuit design but it interferes with the location of the plumbing or gets in the way of a structural support or firewall or something. Probably the same for the copper bulb thing. It probably seemed like a great idea to the guys making it but it interfered with something else that needed to work a certain way.
but what would that be? the copper bulb worked just fine in the snapshot.
@@bigshot103 I have no idea. I don't know how things in the game's code interact with one another. If you are old enough to ever play the first generation pokemon games, you will know what I'm talking about, but in those games talking to a random guy in one town somehow glitches the Pokemon encounters on one shore of a completely different island which then can glitch the item count of a particular slot in your inventory. None of that makes sense from the outside. Seemingly unrelated things, It doesn't seem like it should have any effect on each other. but to a programmer it probably makes sense. Same as how to a lay person it doesn't make sense why your garage disposal getting jammed could make the fan on your back porch stop working, but ive seen it happen.
Long story short- pocket edition Redstone works 1/2 as fast as Java redstone internally- so a device that works over '2' ticks in java, takes '1' redstone tick in pocket edition, this means the copper bulb couldn't work the same way in pocket edition, so because of the massive pre-existing differences in between their redstone systems- everyone gets screwed over.
Well yes, but actually no. Minecraft is not one project, its two - java and bedrock
@@Tigrulken Java and pocket edition, I refuse to call that mess anything that pretends its otherwise.
Okay, another argument to why the Entrance room isn't a bosschamber requiring a trial key: There's just too many trial keys! If I am gonna get 10-20 keys every time I clear a a Trial Chamber, but I only require one key to open one door, then that means 9-19 loot drops are essentially wasted on superfluous keys.
And while I could see using a trial key from Trial Chamber A to enter the vault door of Trial Chamber B, that just means less incentive to interact with the entire rest of that trial chamber, which is counterproductive game design.
No, the trial keys must logically be used for a large-scale, multi-instance purpose. I personally subscribe to the theory that Mojang is gonna bring back stone chests in the Deep Dark, and then make those chests require a trial key to open, further gating the exploration of Ancient Cities.
That would also be logical, seeing how Trial Chambers are meant to be mid-game, while Ancient Cities are rather more late-game content. You would need to do the mid-game Trial Chambers as a way to practice your situational awareness in megastructures in order to get value out of the more difficult megastructure of the Ancient City.
'people say it's a small country but it takes hours to drive from one side to the other'
the fact you can even count that in hours instead of weeks or days is tiny
I would love for it to have a one tick delay as well, but I disagree with your point on red stone parity. As someone who plays on bedrock it’s hard to find farms that work for bed rock on the latest version. I might be too late to change now, but I would love to see the exact same red stone for both bedrock and Java
the problem is they seem to not have built the fundamental redstone code in bedrock in a way that allows for them to do the same things that already exist in Java. Like there’s huge fundamental differences. So it’s always removing Java features for parity not adding bedrock ones :(
I would too, but I’d rather the gap widen than have cool stuff taken away. Parity should always mean changing things to give more opportunities to all players. If the only way to have parity in redstone is to destroy the hundreds of creations that work based on ‘bugs’ like quasi connectivity, then I don’t want parity.
@@Sarah_Bragg great, because they don't care what you want.
Bedrock once again holding Java back
someone actually though of this.. i agree
Bedrock edition really is the scapegoat for java players
@@Tyranid_Hive_Mind but java can't run well on mobile so it's forced to have a second version...
@@fldom4610 And Java players hate bedrock players for it
@@Tyranid_Hive_Mind but if bedrock gets deleted a lot of players will just leave. Iam a Java player BTW that doesn't like that much bedrock
kingbdogz: directly confirms that 1 tick delay was intentional
toycat: “this might imply that the 1 tick delay was intentional”
Mojang after accidentally adding an interesting feature:
This is a dark side of parity only in the short term. In the long we will have almost full parity between Bedrock and Java
No we won’t. They will never move ‘bugs’ over to bedrock. They will never implement quasi-connectivity, the nether roof, or a million other things that were originally bugs that the community loves to bedrock. They’re two different games by now that have slightly different features. Complete parity will never happen. Let the gap widen a bit more so the community can have fun new toys to play with.
@@Sarah_Bragg In 10 years they might implement it
@@Sarah_Bragg Bedrock and Java have never been a similar as they are now
@@RespecterAlexander It doesn’t matter to me how many tiny things are now the same, because most of those things are the same in the worst way possible, and a bunch of giant stuff isn’t the same. And I don’t believe that they ever will implement that stuff. If they were going to, they would have already. And I don’t need to explain why they won’t remove it from Java.
@@Sarah_Bragg Be patient.
Out of all possibilities, Mojang screwed this update (if they aren't changing it back) in a way no one expected...
Ya they keep ruin their reputation in every single update
@@s66s46 Yet people keep playing.
@@freighter1097 Playing? You already bought the game. They have your money. You can do nothing about it.
@@LineOfThy Exactly. You paid for the game. They don't have to update anything. People keep complaining about getting years of updates for a game they paid for years ago.
Parity is only used to make things worse because making things better takes actual effort and time. Neither of which Microsoft considers as giving more profit, apparently
Honestly can’t mojang just buy itself back from Microsoft so they can start making updates on their own again
11:13 "People say it's a small country but it takes hours to get from one side to the other"
Toycat... it takes hours to get from the middle of New York State to New York City. The UK is tiny.
Tbh the only parity changes i would like to see is the removal of the marketplace from bedrock and opening up its source to modders.
People are kind of just complaining about a feature that you don’t need to interact with.
What source? The database server? The key? The encryption format?
The addon has multiple communitiy-based documents with lot of various communities. It has been there unless you are so unconscious about what ur saying.
With the modder thingy, go re-engineering stuff and made a working mod loader first.
@@HungryWardenNo game that you already paid for should have a cash shop, period.
@@eureka5635 welcome to the sad reality of mobile games.
@@HungryWarden I don't interact with it. It's a part of why I don't play bedrock.
Redstone parity on Bedrock is a bs excuse, it already doesn’t work like Java, and thus "We changed the tick for parity" is stupid. Bedrock's redstone is garbage compared to Java, and it should not be the standard for parity
Not garbage, more like a very very very very inferior version, but it still does have some upsides even if they are few and far between.
only good thing on bedrock is that they patched the quasi connectivity bug, instead they need to add a different piston with amethist or quarts that can have the quasi effect and being able to chose the direction of the effect as well.
@@gabrielandy9272 copper would make sense.
@@gabrielandy9272"good"
Its a great feature
@@Swagorath it's a bug that make Redstone inconsistency and no make sense we need a piston with quase on and quasi off and quasi should be able to work in all directions took
People who used the trial chambers in-lore used the entrance room as the entrance
It is an entrance the same way how the door of a village house is an entrance even though you can mine through its walls as well.
Lore theory: the Trial Chamber entrance is the intended point of entry by the precursors in the minecraft universe before the entire structure, along with the Ancient Cities and the Fortresses, were buried deep underground due to some cataclysmic event or something similar and subsequently forgotten.
its a test snapshot though, its not a permanent change
mojang is making these snapshots with small updates to see what the community wants, and if with enough feedback they might revert the change, keep it, or improve it
Like they did with the Chat ban system?
Lmfao, Mojang is run by a narcissistic clique now, backlash isn't going to do anything.
this is that community feedback
You see, they don't actually care about the community unless it's the literal cheapest way to do something.
@@LineOfThy not true
My question is why does mysticat use iron pickaxe as a weapon in videos, instead of using a sword?
Bro is looking for a challenge ig
What was interesting to me about the new snapshot is that the copper grates can now be waterlogged. I guess they could not before, so this is quite the change.
A compromise would be that a oxidised copper bulb has a 1tick delay an every thing else the "fixed" one
why would it need to be "Fixed" at all. nobody wants that. it would just be confusing for newer players who are you even compromising with mojang just did it because of a bug report which was stupid and because of a parity problem that this wouldn't fix.
That would suggest that they're willing to do a compromise.
@@bigshot103 They did it for PR.
Im early, gotta day something unfunny. Uhhh
Im tired of all of this politicks in minecraft!
mojang never put politics in
@@anakinskyogre1037LMFAO yes they did
@@anakinskyogre1037 it was a pun on the word "Tick" as in game tick :p
@@MatthewsPersonal Ok I thought you meant like congress but that yea that is really annoying
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a crime.
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I like eating light bulbs.
Here too? Whyyyyyy
Actually, Mojang have said there will never be Redstone parity, because there are so fundamentally different that it would require entirely recreating Redstone on one platform or the other, so the idea that it's because they think Redstone needs to have parity is... shaky.
Generally I agree that parity is important, but I think this is just a jerk move to remove it working on one platform because it wasn't working on another. _Expecially_ because it's been confirmed to be intentional by a dev, _especially_ because a lot of the major redstone names are on the platform where it works, _especially_ because it came out first on that platform, etc etc etc.
Yeah, just add it to bedrock
@@algotkristoffersson15 maybe they just couldn't add it to bedrock
@@fldom4610 yes they can' there is nothing java can do that c++ can't
7:08 My guess as to why this happens by specifically unwaxing a non-rusted copper grate is that the developer accidentally set the block that it turns into the copper block instead of the grate.
I wish the trial chamber wasn't just another underground structure, I'd atleast like a jungle temple style entrance on the surface. Just a shame to be yet another structure shoved in the ground
Archeologists and Paleontologists: Gee I'm so sick and tired of finding ruins and fossils underground
The more Mojang update Minecraft now, more i want to play Vintage Story.
Redstone must be logical and consistent! That’s the hole point of it! It science, not magic
You know, it could still be meant as the entrance to the whole place. Like, it was how the original inhabitants of the land entered the structure in the past and then was covered up with Deepslate over time.
People worrying about red stone:
Meanwhile I am waiting to become dio with the tick command 🍷🗿
Maybe the "entrance" room is the point where the rest of the rooms generate off of
Holy crap thats brilliant! I'm going to go mod my calculator so the multiplication button is just another addition button! Really helps make the buttons more consistent with each other. Might mod my solar panels with a gas engine too when I'm done.
I’m a java player and I’ve been so disappointed with direction they’re moving I will probably just keep playing 1.19 modded with Create mod and other things I like- better storage and inventory managment & not bother with any updates
I completely agree with the marketplace needing great quality content & that's definitely apparent with the maps! The more updates we get for Minecraft itself, the more detail is put into them. My current issue with bedrock is the quality control itself, I've seen skins stolen from planet Minecraft & reposted on the marketplace, It is hard to prove that you own a skin compared to a resourcepack which again, quality control needs to look at some of the packs. The guidelines state that if you want to post a pack, 100% of the textures need to be completed but then you will see packs that are already on the marketplace with about 80% of the textures done
Blizzard is a company where the management is holding the devs back, whereas mojang is a company where the devs are holding the game back
in my humble opinon i like the idea of parity, being able to have the same tools and features between platforms sounds nice, but I don't think that making them worse for "parity's" sake is a good idea. id rather have this on one version then none at all.
Even more, if you want "parity" to happen, fix the older issues before moving to the new ones!
It wouldn't be a new Minecraft update without anything controversial happening.
really looks like the gaming community are finally revolting against the game devs for not just minecraft but also fortnite and roblox
Roblox? Like the Roblox corporation or the indie devs that work on Roblox games?
It's not going to work.
"People say it's a small country but it takes hours to drive from one side to the other." It takes hours to drive from one side of the state I live in to the other.
i bet they used the most vital keys in coding to code the grate, ctrl+c ctrl+v lol! (this is NOT to call them lazy.)
The entrance room in the files is located inside the corridor folder. So it is an entrance to the corridor. The corridor is the large long room with 3 floors on both sides and it's always connected to the entrance room.
I'm primarily a bedrock player and I think they should just let the copper bulb be as originally intended on Java, even if the Bedrock one isn't.
Didn't Mojang write somewhere where they write about parity that Redstone probably never will see full parity? So it's really dumb to then destroy a unique use of two redstone components just for that damn parity's sake!
Theory about the duplication bug in the game's code:
Likely the copper grate inherited all the behaviors from a regular copper block. Mojang forgot to update the behavior for the new block. Sorta like a "copy paste" job gone wrong (though it's a little bit more complicated than that in Java due to what we coders call "inheritance").
Why am I somehow not surprised that they did a copy paste job to make their new features
@@chaosstripe9446 Adding blocks in Minecraft is one of the easiest things to do.
I don't see why the keys in their current state would open a door because of how many of them you get.
Of course they could change this but why would you get like 15 keys for a single door in a trial chamber
Door no, portal that sounds on par with obsidian/eyes required. 🤨
To the copper grate bug, probably the game files says something along the lines of "If honey comb is used on this block turn it into this other block" (Not actual code because I'm too lazy) and they put the waxed copper block as the second block on accident
I knew parity would be the issue, but i firmly believe it should be reverted
from a programmer that isn't even involved in minecraft development it's pretty easy how they messed up waxing the grate
since the waxed version is its own block it just replaces the block with the waxed version which means they probably just copied the code from the normal copper and forgot to change some lines
7:05 It's probably a simple oversight where they accidentally referenced the wrong block to transform into when you wax it.
British person: its not a small country, it takes hours to drive across it.
American: it takes hours to just drive across my state
"dont attack mojang employees"
they are responsible, some of them have far less power than others, but when you say "the devs" a reasonable person means literally any and all of the people involved in rolling out those updates, even the ones who are so far removed that they are rather elitist about their position, the higher higher ups
so basically "all of mojang" is equal to "the devs" because we do not know who worked on what, and who is responsible for such a change
Minecraft players when they can't break and exploit the game in every single possible way: