Playing EU4 With NO DLCs Was A MISTAKE
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If you don't have any dlc Exploring is extremely painful since you need to move yor fleet manually if you want to do it
Also don't forget your fucking fleet in the middle of the ocean
@@naga2113 felt😢
@@naga2113 im pretty sure u get increased attrition without dlc cause when i used to play without i would lose half my fleet in the atlantic and the other half on the way back
@@trevor8726 yeah I loose all my fleet because of atrition
Fleets are super annoying without dlc. Having to manually delete and rebuild fleet with new ship versions is mega ludicrous.
Biggest difference when I first got the game with no DLC and tried to play Castile was the exploration and colonization stuff. That is a real pain compared to the game with El Dorado.
I think you can do one thing that is stronger though. You used to be able to use fleet basing rights to extend your colonial range anyway.
It is not worth playing a naval nation anyway, since YOU CAN'T UPGRADE YOUR SHIPS, you have to build them everytime if you want them to be up to date. Really Pdx plays a shade game with stuff like that.
Yeah, when I started to play EU 4, I tried to colonize, see the pain it was, and immediately bought El Dorado XD
I’ve never played with any DLC so this is my normal💀
The horror you endure on a daily basis
Pirating is free and also moral.
@@shinyguy3766pirate but from where?
same
Bruuuh,
Fun fact:
Increase development was a dlc feature in Common Sense
But later they made it a free feature
25:55 "not a lot of interesting things on the map"
mouses over blue Scotland
Despite how painful this was without the DLCs, it was actually quite fun to see you play a sorta normal campaign once in a while. I hope we see more of this in the future once Domination drops. You haven't streamed in a while, but I really liked seeing the VODs.
The PAIN moment is playing 1.1
Not being able to disinherit heirs is ultra pain that you missed out on.
whats the point on playing a game where you cant kill babies?
Basically Eu4 but painful mode
Making your heir a general and then sending him into 15k stacks with 1k infantry is the strat
@@nrbmemes2414can't you just use a cog drown them
@@watermocules7735neither helps. The army dies, the general survives.
"Soyface Red Hawk isn't real, he can't hurt you"
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I feel like that DLC's shouldn't add universal mechanics like upgrade his centers of trades or every quality of life feature option like for army etc... I feel like they must be here only to add content about specific country and mechanic about theses countries but not universal mechanics like that... They must be part of the base game... Idk if I'm the only one thinking that.
I don't event know if what I said make sense to you x)
But yeah, I don't like this DLC politic. I really don't mind features for countrys being part of DLC but it shouldn't be the case for universal mechanics...
its even worse now, because you get a notification to upgrade it even if you cant cos no dlc. I spent 25 minutes scratching my head just to learn you need DLC
The difference is bigger when you play a small nation when you really need a feature. For example you want to use favours to break a relationship. Another deal is, if you want to blob hard, you can't upgrade your advisors, you only get level 3, and that's it. Means you miss out a lot of mana points. And on top of that you can't dismiss heirs at all, so if you get a bad one, you got to live with it. All this stuff adds up when you are a less powerful nations. Or when you are a mid size nation, getting war reps from the Ottos or France will carry your economy for the next 10 years.
What bothers me the most, those things are barly content, but Pdx does it deliberatly, so you can't follow many guides and you feel somewhat forced to get the DLCs or the Sub at some point.
One thing that I saw was common was declaring wars for your vassals claims which you can’t do without dlc making a lot of guides that used this tactic useless
Also some countries aren’t enjoyable to play without dlc like Russia because they can’t Siberian colonize, and all the mechanics to help you convert the Sunnis.
It sucks that a lot of DLCs have about 1 or 2 pretty good features and the rest being fluff you probably won't miss. It'd be nice if you could mix and match what features you want.
@@hyperion3145 Well, they know how to make money, that's why.
You can upgrade advisors? damn i learn new things about this game every day
It’s kind of crazy what is considered part of the free updates and what isn’t. Was surprised to see full mission trees, but not the quality of life stuff that isn’t actual mechanical changes.
I've been playing with no dlcs for around 900 hours since I got the game for free on epic and can't afford dlcs nor do I wanna get the subscription. Can say that it isn't that bad if you just never had the dlcs to compare to, you learn to play with the mechanics present in the base game and that's still very expansive and fun to learn. I've recently did a WC without dlcs and it wasn't too tedious. But ofc the dlcs would be massive game changers.
Embrace the black flag
Yo download it from a website with all the dlc for free
Used to be like you, then I went privateering and then did I buy the subscription. 10/10, can recommend
No offense, but that's like saying "Eating trash isn't that bad when you don't know real food". This is considering a lot of DLC mechanics should be in base game.
A pirate's life for me!
I once tried to play Landshut into Bavaria, while following your guide. However without DLCs, you get coalitioned immediately after PUing the other two minors
Wow someone just took out 2 counts, this is a threat to stability of europe😂
what do the dlcs change about that?
@@unevilGenius improve with enraged countries, I think
I did the same and it ended up fine, I even went after the rest of then pretty quickly
Deving was a dlc only thing but it became so integral to future updates that it was pushed to the vanilla game. You still can't dev in subjects without the dlc though (forgot which one adds it)
Yeah, Common Sense changed Base Tax to Development, and back then buying dev wasn't mandatory. Then Rights of Man dropped and added Institutions to replace Westernization. Now developing institutions was how you removed tech cost penalties. It took them 9 major patches before they added it to the base game.
@@LibertyMonk Progress(?) At least with CK3 and more recent updates for EU4 they're a lot better about that sort of stuff, but still...
Devving is from the Cossacks if I’m not mistaken.
@@zoetje9817 Nah it was introduced in Common Sense (which made it pretty much a must buy dlc at the time), but a little later down the line they decided to add devving into the base game, because devving became essential.
Cossacks added diplomatic options such as province of interests, as well as public attitude and other QoL stuff.
@@terrypennington2519 Apologies, you’re right.
So the farthest you can go back without a DVD is 1.9.2, which is the last patch for Art of War. I would be interested to see you play that one, if only because I think that was both the old rebel system, and before the current fort system. Forts in every province? Pain. You need a code to access it in the BETAs which is EU4R2JvakDKTJ8Cn
My first campaign was vanilla eu4 as the ottomans. Increased autonomy everywhere to keep rebels away and had no idea why i didn't have reconquest cb to vassal feed like everyone said
Dude, I just got DLCs the other day and it’s a completely different experience for me now. I can actually make an empire now. Now I know why the game was completely ridiculous and impossible for me before.
I'd like to see you play some nations aggressively like you just did in this run. Expand quickly and manage resources optimally. Maybe a 150 year challenge or something. Which nations? Maybe picked at random (excluding native nations). This type of game should have a name, like Domination. Or maybe the succession game, like Zlewikk did, changing nations on the same game every 50 years.
I agree
Random Succession could be fun:
1st pick nation as random and play for 50 years, then save.
For any next nation:
Open new game and pick nation at random, save it's name, then load your game from save and use console to change tags, play for next 50 years and save. If chosen nation doesn't exist in your save - you'll need to pick another one... only exclusions are those factions that are natural successors:
brandenburg and teutons can be played as Prussia, if it was formed
any minor russian prices can play as Russia, if if was formed
both Poland and Lithuania, can play as PLC, if it was formed
all Daymio's can play as Japan, if it was formed
Castile and Aragon can play as Spain, if it was formed
etc.
I played without dlcs for a very long time, so you can imagine the problems I would face when watching your guides! Luckily it wasnt that big of a difference for nations like austria and the old ottoman guide, first time I faces problems was with manchus, and you wanted me to play with the tribute-system and raise those special troops. Honestly, it kinda sucks that so much of the game is locked behind a massive paywall
On an unrelated but funny note, in my first eu4 campaign as ottomans I got the 8:52 message, about crusade. I came into eu4 from ck2 where crusades are kinda a big deal, so for a long time I didnt declare war on any european countries and played super passively💀
Dlc subscription is pretty cheap
imagine buying Paradox dlc´s and not having them all cracked
Yes its cheap for a short time. Eventually it gets expensive, eventually it would have been better to buy all dlcs and expansions.
I dont think its that controversial to say that you shouldnt have to buy so much content for it to work. Eu4 is fun but its not worth $300
@@Kris-lu1rs What bothers me is, DLC means downloadable content. But stuff like war reparations or dismiss a heir is barely content for me. Paradox deliberatly tries to make the game painful so people are halfway forced to get the DLCs at some point. Or you can't upgrade your ships, how stupid is that.
@@Kris-lu1rs it costs only a few euros per moth why would you add all of that up
in total war Warhammer its a common challenge to play skaven with no dlcs, as basically all their good units are in the dlcs
I was wondering if there are other strategy games where playing with no dlcs is a challenge
at least skaven have their basic mechanics for free
Victoria II without DLCs is like playing a browser game.
Bruh no weapon teams what do you even get? Moulder units, that’s it?
@@LOL-zu1zr moulder, eshin and skryre are dlcs
only pestilence and mors are base game and rictus are free dlc
you do get rat ogres and globadiers tho
Very much dislike that so many simple QOL features like the macrobuilder and production buttons are missing without DLCs. Should be mechanics only...
I love your reactions when you realize just how many buttons are missing sometimes. I feel you, I have never played without DLC and everything just feels off
Now try a Horde without razing provinces. ;)
Try Ming when you have heir with not enough legitimacy, you can't do anything about it, and you just die to rebels.
I'd love to see a longer, a bit more serious campaign from you at least once, split over a couple of episodes of course. We've all seen and played 1444-1600 a million times, but many don't realize they're missing out on half the game. Maybe encountering some new struggles along the way, optimizing your idea groups which leads to things you never do etc (quantity and trade are illegal ;)) and it's always fun to see people outside their comfort zone. Doesn't need to be a WC since that's a boring grind, but perhaps as an OPM or some more challenging start, become military hegemon or conquer some key cities around the world, reach 10k dev, conquer all of Europe and Asia, reach the end date of the game - something like that
theres no way, literally last night i went back and rewatches isp's no dlc vids. its always great to look back at how i used to play pdx games lol
You should play it without DLCs and in one of the earliest versions: ni development, no institutions (fortunately), the mercenaries were just more expensive troops, and every single province is a fort.
I remember also when the states had a certain amount of land and you give it to them. It was pretty fun.
Hey, love your vids. Do you think that you will ever become an npc like you did as that one Arabian minor? Like, a side character who has to have the big guys dunk it out while helplessy being stackwiped, occupied and generally just useless?
I've waited half of this video to see your reaction on the lack of subject's reconquest CB :)
The docked to be admiral makes sense, idk why whatever dlc that does it allows us to send an admiral on a rowboat to wherever our fleet is on superspeed lol
yes i like that,, will be reallistic. maybe a mod bring that back.
I started playing in 2021 and just now started buying dlc since I haven't had money to spare up until now. Nowadays I buy one or two DLC every once in a while when I got some euros over at the end of the month. DLCs improve the game massively in my opinion. They add so much flavor especially in the diplomatic game.
Fascinating; thanks Red Hawk. I enjoyed that at around the 15:00 mark, you learn that Art of War (1.7, iirc) is absolutely ESSENTIAL to the game and really should just be in the base game. (Maybe it is now for people who buy the basic game?). Art of War, Common Sense, I would add the two DLCs for colonial. The rest? Not quite so essential. I've been on a 1.30 rollback, feeling that Emperor was a really cool DLC that, despite some initial problems, has proven necessary for HRE and Catholic campaigns. I do NOT like Leviathan with its "world wonders" (or monuments or whatever) and the general trend to pay-to-win-easy, though I did enjoy the African DLC a couple back. (And after I played what I wanted to there, rolled back to 1.30.) I will probably have to keep Domination on - it looks VERY game-changing - and thus will be caught up slightly against my will, but I guess I can just ignore the World Wonders and the Easy-Peasy missions that make the game too simple with power-creep rewards. Sorry for the long post; great vid.
Art of War and Common Sense are no longer mandatory, ever since 1.28 when transfer occupation and increase development moved to the base game. They're still really useful DLCs, adding things like government ranks (why he was missing the diplomat), war reps, declaring for vassal's claims, etc. But at least they FINALLY moved transfer occupation and devving the institution to the base game.
@@LibertyMonk Man, how isn't war reparations in the base game? Victoria II has it since AHD, and that was released 4 years before base EU4
@@LibertyMonk Thanks, wasn't quite sure what had been rolled in.
The many differences between the base game and the game with dlcs are the reason why I would like to see some no-dlc guides. the reality is that no one is doing base game guides althought many only play the game this way
I love how he didn't even react to AI France owning the whole of Scotland while England remained untouched
I feel like AI France is particularly interested in Scotland in most vanilla games. I always see them allied, in a PU, or some other weird shenanigans.
i play eu4 using the dlc subscription and sometimes when it expires i have to play without DLC until it renews, it was definitely a huge shock to see so many missing features and basically every country being flavorless. i wonder if people in the future will view the current VIC3 like this
For the first month I had the game, I played exactly like this before I gave up and got the subscription.
I just pirate because i have common sense.
@@shinyguy3766 I lack technical skills, but I don't lack $5.
"That's a dangerous level of noble influence
...strengthen noble privileges!"
bruh
Well, the Painful things without DLC to me are:
-No Vassal Interactions
and in late game:
Building up your 400 ship fleet every time manually and then selecting the provinces every time so combine the fleet as doing big square selection selects the army.
And most Importantly: Taking 4 years of sieging down a max level star fortress and getting that call for piece defuff after having captured a full 3 provinces so late game wars end at like 20%.
YES! YES! HE DID IT! HE ACTUALLY DID IT! No more requesting it for A to Z, I'm so happy! Thank you Red!
i actually got el dorado due to the nation designer and didn't know 'automated' exploring wasn't part of the base game
Got all the DLC's from humble bundle for £20🗿
(Thanks Red Hawk)
I remember playing like this way back at launch, without all the updates lol
The thing here is, you played the strongest nation in the game. You should try the same thing on an different country, thats not start with 40k troops and just role all over the way they want to go. There will be a huge difference what decisions you can take and have to take.
Its not like Im not playing with any dlc's, but I miss some of them tho and and when I compare this now with your videos, I always notice that for example, whether I can activate Ecourage Development in my provinces or not, because I don't have the DLC for it.
So youre might seeing the pattern here. But thats what you already said in the video.
I would like to see the same type of video, but with an other country, thats way smaller then the ottomans.
Yeah like playing brandenburg or any relatively obscure nation
Once I was playing no dlc ottomans inspired by your guides and like stuck at the start when raising janissaries. That took me a while before I understood why i can't. At one point I thought your guide is a prank with all those fake state edicts and army recruitment on just pushing plus
13:20
That's not a DLC thing, it's because the province isn't on the same "continent" as your capital. (quotation marks because some of EU4's continent boundaries are a bit strange, at least between Europe and Asia)
@TheRedHawk
Developing a province was a DLC thing when i started playing. I've bought my Eu4 copy arround patch 1.18 (Prussia/Rigth's of Men) and was disapointed while playing as Poland and unable to develop any institution at all...
Common Sense was required to develop anything...
Not sure, when it was changed, but you could imagine me slowly waiting for instututions to spawn... so in order to spawn them quicker -> i've decided to march west and that game ended pretty weird with PLC guaranting ottomans, france and russia, dismantling HRE, who at that time was ruled by... France, which was an OPM somewhere in Westphalia... Allied with Great Britain, who controlled half of new world, with other half being controlled by Spain...who were under PU with PLC...and got integrated after 150+ years of integrating... so... realy weird game... to bad timeline was only a DLC thing back then, because it would be fun to watch it...
Dhimmi missing is weird because you used to assign provinces manually to estates to deal with that.
I haven't yet gotten the 3 main DLCs that came out since I stopped playing EUIV for awhile (had computer problems). Game working ok without them, and the reviews for a couple of them make it sound like I shouldn't bother getting them.
I know you don’t like playing full games, but would you consider doing a shorter game play with a later start date to show some of the later age gameplay? I’d love to see how you would deal with the revolutionary aspects, and how that might change your goals or play style.
When I came back to EU4 after a while, a lot of shit had changed and I admit I felt a little turned off by that. So first thing I did was roll back to the oldest version. Now THAT was a mistake. Scuffed as shit.
I saw that you had problems with transports - it's because you have to manually attach army to ship in army menu
7:31 thats a dangerous level of influence.
7:35 lets go strengthen noble privilege.
Nice :D
Wool can get 3.13 or so in price, Cattle 3.50 and Wine all the way to 4.50 iirc. Naval supplies can go to 3.50, generally I only build barracks in grain provinces (depending on local production of course) and fish (unless I it's coastal)... stacks so well with Soldier Households (or Impressment Offices in the coastal case)
Also yeah without the Reconquest CB, it'll be cheaper to click on the map/demand territory instead of returning provinces :(
Oh yeah and doesn't Wine trade bonus give -1 global revolt risk or something?
Why not ask Mr. Paradox for his blessing to play the first version?
This is the biggest problem I have with paradox. The DLC's should not include quality of life features, just extra flavor and missions. QOL should be free in updates. The functionality of ships is a prime example.
i agrre. That's why i pirate the DLCs
oh wow didnt expect this type of vid 😶
16:38 You could have said: "Lights out, the Knights out!"
Lol, transferring troops with boats is buggy even *with* DLC. It's kind of crazy how some of these features we take for granted are all locked behind a paywall, though. A lot of QOL improvements for sure.
You can't play 1.0 easily, but 1.4 (no ironman) is available in the steam beta list. That's when colonial nations were first introduced. I'm honestly glad nothing older than that is available.
loved this!
I'm a bit curious, do republics have states and factions in vanilla or do you need LotN to have both?
It's a completely different game. I started the game like 3 Months ago, no dlc. Wanted to watch guides, more than half of them don't work cause of mechanics, features, missions and that Dont exist in the Bae game. I bought the dlc bundle and there was and still is just so much to learn.
Zlewikk played not that long time ago eu 1.0... Pirate Republic is forming!
Be cool if you slowly add some of the more notable DLCs and see how the game evolved. Another short campaign like this was good for the format. Play one of the nations featured
i mean the ottomans maybe do not change much, but when u play nations like portugal or castille you notice, also in east asia. There are not many things that just makes the game more fun and playble
Testing updates must be so difficult. Who knows what combinations of dlc's people are using.
I play with the first seven DLC packs. I'm missing the last ten bc I don't have $150 to spend on a game I don't play nearly as much as I did back in the day when I was always up to date with DLC or even one or two behind. Watching your channel, I see I am missing out on so much when I play, but compared to this, I'd much rather have 5-10 of the DLCs (mix and match as you please) than none at all. Funny that only two are positively reviewed (El Dorado and Rule Britannia) and El Dorado is mostly positive bc of custom nations. The whole Treaty of Tordesillas mechanic in El Dorado doesn't even exist anymore (plus the fact they completely overhauled the mechanics it added). Nearly $300 for a ten-year-old game is ridiculous. Especially when so many of the mechanics of the older DLCs are obsolete due to the fine tuning of the game. I have a fine time playing with the $150 game I play but wish I could play the $300 version every time I boot it up. What Paradox really needs to do if EU5 isn't going to be released in the next three to five years is release EU4 Deluxe edition and EU4 Master edition (name them whatever). Deluxe would have all the major DLC included (basically the Empire Bundle) and updated graphics with a discount of $4 per DLC currently owned (if they could somehow do that) as to not piss off current users who bought all the DLCs. That would mean someone with all 17 main DLC would buy it for $12 just for the updated graphics and maybe an additional last update. And the Master Edition would be the same but with all the minor DLCs (basically the Ultimate Bundle) and updated graphics for $120, with the same discount for major DLCs, but a $2.50 discount for minor DLCs, meaning someone with everything would pay $14.50 for the updated graphics, a possible extra last update, and maybe some extra cosmetics/content packs limited only to people who buy the Master Edition. I honestly think it's a genius strategy to get people who have already sunken so much money into this game (but not as much as they could) to put even more money in. Paradox needs to hire me. The graphics update need not even be that intense. Just change the unit skins and take some notes from mods to make borders cleaner and change the look of a few of the map modes, specifically terrain, trade goods, and coalition.
IF you do this again, play as natives in the Americas or in Japan, they have actual mission trees (not that good but playable)
I just remember getting happy we got proper text placement on maps and getting sad at the new trade system from Divine Wind to EU4, those were simpler times. Nowadays people wont even look at the face of a country if doesnt have a 10 page MT.
Not complaining mind you its great! Screw simpler times give me more granular simular more finicking more flavor more missions more more more, thats why we play Grand Strategy babyyyyyyyyy
Yeah I used to play without DLC, it's painful and very difficult
First, i love your content btw 🤩
there is nothing more painful than doing a beta of the first versions of the game, I still remembered when dlcs like common sense and art of war brought some life and flavour to the game
i’d love to see you try to colonize with no dlc as castile
I played hundreds of hour without dlc. Was fine but now that I have a few I don't know how I did it
You had to truce break Mamluks at the end for that name placement
EU4 campaigns: * are going great for Hawk *
Hawk: * turns off all DLCs because he's missing the PAIN! *
Dude, thanks for the video. Yeah, that's ok playing EU4 as Ottomans without DLCs, but try colonising as Portugal.. That's a HUUUGE pain. Colonisation mechanic is unplayable
On the other hand, I was able to circumnavigate the earth in 1485 by using fleet basing rights. The negative? You get nothing for it! Hahaha
Red hawk doesn't know about the community demand to add development and transfer occupation getting added to the base game
I only have like 3 dlc so this is what's I'm used to, but I still have 2000 hours. It is painful.
The worst part about this video is that I learned that you use the macro builder for ships. Love having 4 heavies building in the same province xd
honey, hawkjak just dropped!
So my friends decided to learn to play EU IV recently, but they asked to play with no DLCs... One decided to play Mongolia, other was Muscovy, I played Timurids, and my god was it painful to play...
Ottomans is one of the few nations with a mission tree without dlc. Like olmost every other nation is a pain in the ass to play as.
Some countries are borderline unplayable without the DLC. Ming just implodes bc you can't get rid of bad heirs and Hordes can't raise provinces- the one mechanic that makes them so good...
Having no DLC also used to be a much worse experience because it used to be that developing provinces and all the government mechanics were DLC locked... So honestly the basic game experience is a lot better now than it was say 2 years ago.
There's something you can do in Steam to roll back to older versions of games. No need to have a CD.
Not as back as 1.00 though and game changed massively.
Outside of risk of viruses I don't see how that's even an issue. Downlaoding a game you own isn't a piracy and considering that some other people did something like that already just contact them to get a safe copy.
I actually used to play this game without DLC for a long time, and devving provinces were actually a DLC thing; JUST LIKE ESTATES! I'm actually really annoyed that they just added that to the game later, means the reason I bought their DLC was useless in the end.
I think this would be much more painful if you were playing a smaller nation, or playing a nation which has most of their unique content removed (Ming/Manchu without Mandate of Heaven, for example). Not having access to a lot of the efficiency mechanics (reconquest with vassals, favors, exploit dev, etc…) will make starting small a LOT more painful. As well as playing to blob would be more painful, since you lose out on important age objectives for blobbing (no warscore cost, admin eff, do you even get absolutism at all?)
At the old times you cant transfer occupations without art of war dlc
I remember, I played maybe 200 hours of EUIV with no DLCs. Then I got a couple, then I got everything. The game is so so cursed with no DLC.
23:53 Base game doesn't have the League War, so there's no restriction for what christian faith can become HRE Emperor
i remember times whitout a missiontree, estates, forts, goverment and and and
I like how playing the Ottomans in 1444 feels like playing any Nation but in 1600 xD
I bought the game and a few DLCs to support the devs but play as a pirate republic IRL so i can get the full experience
25:40 fun fact, Thessaloniki used to have a plurality of its population be Jewish for centuries right through until WW1, and they were a majority until the beginning of the 20th Century
It might be a matter of habit, I have almost all the dlcs for EU4 so I can't be unbiased, but I play a lot of HoI4 too and I have almost no dlc there and I quite like it, but many that have a lot of dlcs there say that without dlc is unplayable
Time for another Humble Bundle!
Create new challenge - play all nations from A to Z in EU4 without any DLC.
It would be interesting
The reconquest CB suprised me the most honestly
now he knows how the rest of us feel 💀
I always played vanilla eu4, so this is an everyday job