Outstanding video Brother. I have a PSA for everybody. Installing a new string and cable are pretty straight forward. I recommend taking pictures and measurements before you take anything off your bow. Much easier to put back on the right way. When replacing the string and cable, I would steer away from the portable cable presses. Go with a ratcheting strap system. You can't tell if the inner strands of the cable are compromised in any way. At least with a strap, it is way easier to keep an eye on. The reason I say avoid the cable style is because I just got about a third of my left thumb ripped off on November 15th because a cable press snapped when I was taking the string off my bow. My thumb got pulled in between the string and the cam. I lost the part from right at the nail bed to the end. It still isn't completely healed yet either. I'm still gonna be shooting bows for sure. This injury isn't bad enough to stop me from hunting. Just please be careful with the cable presses.
Hey dude, thank you for the great video. I just changed my strings for the first time, and your video was very help and provided a lot of encouragement. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge.
I built the same draw board thirty years ago after reading Larry Wise's complete book of bow tuning. 2x4 and a boat winch and I screwed a yard stick onto the 2x4 so the deepest part of the handle riser is at "0" to get true draw length. Anyways really enjoy these kinds of videos, working on cam timing, working on turning the bow etc. Keep up the informative vids!!!
I have that same bow in black. Great video! I just had mine done this week at the bow shop LOL. I can see that you're a great teacher. God created you for this stuff I think! God bless!
You made a fantastic video here, it is very well organized, the camera doesn’t wave and careen all over like most, your work is exceptional and very professional. Your video is very easy to follow and understand. Thank you for this great instruction.
Thanks so much nate! Actually doing my first string and cable change over the weekend here! Took an eternity( was actually 5,6 weeks) to get a part in but I can finally get to shooting again and getting my first lesson!
The closest shop I have is 3 hours away in FL. I ended up buying a cable bow compressor tool, and made a bow holder from 2x4s for my garage. Since my bow is from 06 doesnt make much sense to take it to a shop with the drive, unless something is turbo broken.
Hi Jack, if it can help, I own three older Hoyts (a 2010 Turbohawk, a 2014 Carbon Spyder Turbo, just like that one, and a 2015 Nitrum 30). They all run exactly 1/4" long on DL, the Carbon Spyder is indeed the one with the most spongy backwall, but the reason may be that it has a #3 cam with a 28 1/2 module, while the Nitrum (also a z5 cam) has a #2 cam with a 28" module. The let off and peak weight respect the advertised specs on both bows, and so do axle to axle lenght and BH. Lastly, I'm not able to archive a perfect bullet hole with any of these Hoyts unless I remove the grip; if I do so, I can shot bullet holes through paper (fletched and bare shaft) all day long. With older Hoyts I suggest to set the rest in such a way that the bottom of the shaft runs through the center of the berger hole, at 90 degree, center shot 13/16" and start tuning from there. Ciao !!!
I’m all about your technical videos! I recently bought my own EZ Green press and tuned my bow myself. And man, that made it so much more satisfying when I got those perfect bullet holes in paper. I would love to see how you built the DIY draw board!
I actually have my bow in the shop wright now. I am getting new strings. My bow is New wt 500 shots or so. But I wanted custom strings. My cam was a little bit off. Now it will be fixed. Now my bow is totally custom. Great video. PS. I will be wt out my bow 1 to 2 weeks I hope 1 week.
Love watching your videos. Everything you talk about is data driven and to the point. Have you thought about dropping some hats for your online shop? Love supporting good people with putting their name out there
Another vote for draw board video! Also, wondering about how much stock you put into a bows natural arrow spin direction and if you fletch in the same direction.. Does any of that come into play when you are making your arrows? Many thanks for sharing your experience and expertise.
1 big tip is to change your strings when you actually have all of the resources you need like a bow press, a bow, and Average Jack Archery videos of course. May sound stupid but I was so bored with waiting for a part that I had my cables and string out for a few weeks and that was plenty of time to get a ton of twists accidentally in, which you then forget when the cables started from. Even when you are taking the strings out, make sure to not twist them as a little twist can go a long way.
I have wondered what you taught and what level of student. Now I will be intimidated on using proper English when I comment. Great video and thanks for taking the time. Peace for now till the next one.
Love your videos thank you. Would like some information on a Mathew VXR 31.5 2020 anything you could tell me, would be nice Mathew are not cheap here thank you Ken
@@averagejackarchery Ahhh, Yeah the one you made works for sure., I have limited space which is why it worked out great for me. What part of PA are you in? I grew up in Dimock
You’re a bit late, I did a full blown “how hard can it be” string and cable change a week or so ago. It went OK, everything is all tuned up and good after a fair amount of tinkering.
Your videos are always good. Thanks! What is a bus cable vs a control cable? I have a 2010 Hoyt Maxxim 35 and know which is which, but I am not sure why one is called a bus cable and the other is a control cable.
@@averagejackarchery I had missed that distinction. I pulled my bow out and looked at at and do see that the bus cable ties the top split limbs to the bottom cam and the control cable ties the two cams together, so that gives me helpful info. Thanks.
Hey Nate, I could use a little help. I bought my first bow this year a Mathews v3 31. I’ve got about 5-600 arrows through it and am not happy with the stock zebra strings. This bow after 350 shots went back to the ship to check everything and within the last 150-200 shots as become very noisy with a twang I feel is all string. It’s currently at the shop timing is good and poundage was at 59.8 as I’m shooting 60 with a 27” draw. I have them putting ABB platinum strings on it at this point but I’m kinda unhappy about it since I just got it 2 months ago. Am I correct with the correction of the noise with string replacement? Can you even guess that through the inter webs??? Thanks from a fellow PA boy/old guy
Hey I have a 19 Bear revival with hybrid cams how do you read the draw length markings also they say you .can change the string without a press how ? And thank you
Thx, but I really wish you would have started with putting the bow into the press and how to position the clamps. I've got the EZbowpress and a PSE Dominator DC and a Mathews TX5. Still looking for a proper manual how to do it ... still sadly. I mean why wouldn't you film the whole process, once you've made up your mind? Well, thanks anyway. So now with your manual I don't even know how far I should compress the bow and how to dislocate the old string.
Hi, I'd like to ask you two questions, 1- What is, adjusting cam timing? 2- Is it normal for the peep sight to angle to the right, when string is relaxed, and straight when pulled? If not, what does it signify? My strings are not frail. This is a 2007 Martin Magnum Bengal, with original strings. Please be explicit, thanks.
@@averagejackarchery Pardon my lack of knowledge here, I didn't understand this part. In either case, is it safe to say, that single cam marks don't change its position on their own?
So I noticed you didn't feel the old string was unsafe-just worn. It might be hard to describe but how much more tearing would need to see to declare a bowstring unsafe to draw and use?
do you pay need to pay attention to the riser when timing cams, as far as being plumb? ive noticed on my ez green draw board the riser is not plumb up and down when drawn back and if i correct it with a torpedo level it changes the cable stop positions.
I changed my strings and cables on my obsession turmoil RZ lost 4lb draw Weight ??? I wanted to keep it set up for a back up bow I got a new elite remedy for my primary bow how often should I switch in between bows I try to shoot every night should I shoot one then the other the same night or shoot one one night then the other one another night
I keep backup bows as backup bows. They sit the bench until I need them and only pull them out to knock the rust off. If you have intentions of using the Obsession frequently, then do as you describe. I personally like to stick with my bow that I will hunt with, 3D with, indoor with, etc. to keep muscle memory and grip pressure consistent as I go through that season.
The bearings spin independent of the axles. There's no grease needed for the axles themselves. Wipe them down if they have crud on them, but grease is unnecessary.
The scarey part of the whole process is compressing the bow for the first time. Don't forget to turn down the limbs a few turns, just to give the limbs a break. Everything else is pretty simple.
@@averagejackarchery I thought you said something about it in this video, but when i watched your video about tying dlop peep and serving you didn't go over the soft knot so I wasn't sure
@@christsideurbanstreetminis2183 Yeah for that video I just showed the form of making the dloop. Didn't go into the other bells and whistles some folks do. Everyone does it a little different.
Take holding weight, divide by peak weight. That will give a decimal number. Whatever is the remainder to get to 100% is the letoff percentage. 10/60=.16 Meaning 84% letoff.
You have to see what the peak is halfway through the draw cycle, then see what the holding weight is at full draw. Need to build a draw board for ease of use. Have a video on my channel about how to do that.
You’ve done it sir! You’ve created the greatest video there is on tuning a bow. Simple, thorough, and confident. Thank you for this service dude!!
Definitely want to see a draw board video! Thanks.
Outstanding video Brother. I have a PSA for everybody. Installing a new string and cable are pretty straight forward. I recommend taking pictures and measurements before you take anything off your bow. Much easier to put back on the right way. When replacing the string and cable, I would steer away from the portable cable presses. Go with a ratcheting strap system. You can't tell if the inner strands of the cable are compromised in any way. At least with a strap, it is way easier to keep an eye on. The reason I say avoid the cable style is because I just got about a third of my left thumb ripped off on November 15th because a cable press snapped when I was taking the string off my bow. My thumb got pulled in between the string and the cam. I lost the part from right at the nail bed to the end. It still isn't completely healed yet either. I'm still gonna be shooting bows for sure. This injury isn't bad enough to stop me from hunting. Just please be careful with the cable presses.
Hey dude, thank you for the great video. I just changed my strings for the first time, and your video was very help and provided a lot of encouragement. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge.
I built the same draw board thirty years ago after reading Larry Wise's complete book of bow tuning. 2x4 and a boat winch and I screwed a yard stick onto the 2x4 so the deepest part of the handle riser is at "0" to get true draw length. Anyways really enjoy these kinds of videos, working on cam timing, working on turning the bow etc. Keep up the informative vids!!!
I have that same bow in black. Great video! I just had mine done this week at the bow shop LOL. I can see that you're a great teacher. God created you for this stuff I think! God bless!
You made a fantastic video here, it is very well organized, the camera doesn’t wave and careen all over like most, your work is exceptional and very professional. Your video is very easy to follow and understand. Thank you for this great instruction.
Thank you very much!
Definitely want to see the draw board video!!! Thanks for your videos.
Thanks so much nate! Actually doing my first string and cable change over the weekend here! Took an eternity( was actually 5,6 weeks) to get a part in but I can finally get to shooting again and getting my first lesson!
A draw board would be super helpful!
I have decided to do my own work! Thank you for your instruction!
The closest shop I have is 3 hours away in FL. I ended up buying a cable bow compressor tool, and made a bow holder from 2x4s for my garage. Since my bow is from 06 doesnt make much sense to take it to a shop with the drive, unless something is turbo broken.
Your a very good teacher you picked the right profession!
Thank you!
Hi Jack, if it can help, I own three older Hoyts (a 2010 Turbohawk, a 2014 Carbon Spyder Turbo, just like that one, and a 2015 Nitrum 30). They all run exactly 1/4" long on DL, the Carbon Spyder is indeed the one with the most spongy backwall, but the reason may be that it has a #3 cam with a 28 1/2 module, while the Nitrum (also a z5 cam) has a #2 cam with a 28" module.
The let off and peak weight respect the advertised specs on both bows, and so do axle to axle lenght and BH.
Lastly, I'm not able to archive a perfect bullet hole with any of these Hoyts unless I remove the grip; if I do so, I can shot bullet holes through paper (fletched and bare shaft) all day long.
With older Hoyts I suggest to set the rest in such a way that the bottom of the shaft runs through the center of the berger hole, at 90 degree, center shot 13/16" and start tuning from there.
Ciao !!!
I’m all about your technical videos! I recently bought my own EZ Green press and tuned my bow myself. And man, that made it so much more satisfying when I got those perfect bullet holes in paper. I would love to see how you built the DIY draw board!
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@@averagejackarchery thank you!
+1 for seeing that draw board set up! I have a work table like that so your set up would be perfect.
I actually have my bow in the shop wright now. I am getting new strings. My bow is New wt 500 shots or so. But I wanted custom strings. My cam was a little bit off. Now it will be fixed. Now my bow is totally custom. Great video. PS. I will be wt out my bow 1 to 2 weeks I hope 1 week.
Great video; thank you.
Love watching your videos. Everything you talk about is data driven and to the point. Have you thought about dropping some hats for your online shop? Love supporting good people with putting their name out there
Let's see that diy draw board I'm about to make mine soon. Love your videos keep up the good work.
Great video. Thanks. Could you make a video on how to change strings on a Prime bow with a 7 string system?
Proof that English teachers are awesome!!!
Yeah I want the video on the draw board set up!
you know you're the type of father to make dad jokes when you're making sound effects and randomly singing in your videos😂🤣
If your giving em back to customer u should have tied loop ends
Together asap so u don’t add or remove twists
Yes to the draw board video!
Another vote for draw board video!
Also, wondering about how much stock you put into a bows natural arrow spin direction and if you fletch in the same direction.. Does any of that come into play when you are making your arrows?
Many thanks for sharing your experience and expertise.
I won't lie, I've been testing that since August and plan to make a video on it soon...
Yes I would like to know about the portable draw board
Draw Board Video? Yes please!
CONGRATS ON 30K SUBSCRIBERS!!
Congrats on being so cute
Great video! Now I want to build a bow press. Have you been building tee pees too. I also love the boot for an arrow holder.
Yes I would like a video on the draw board
1 big tip is to change your strings when you actually have all of the resources you need like a bow press, a bow, and Average Jack Archery videos of course. May sound stupid but I was so bored with waiting for a part that I had my cables and string out for a few weeks and that was plenty of time to get a ton of twists accidentally in, which you then forget when the cables started from. Even when you are taking the strings out, make sure to not twist them as a little twist can go a long way.
Hahaha 🤣 thats something I would do.
I would like to see this same video done with a Parker Hurricane XXT crossbow! Or any crossbow really..
I have wondered what you taught and what level of student. Now I will be intimidated on using proper English when I comment. Great video and thanks for taking the time. Peace for now till the next one.
Love your videos thank you. Would like some information on a Mathew VXR 31.5 2020 anything you could tell me, would be nice Mathew are not cheap here thank you Ken
Was Gona buy one but to much to do. And live in the bush so if it break I'm finnsh. Think I'll just go for the old style
They make a draw board for that press you have. Thats how my EZ is set up. Works great.
I contemplated getting it to streamline the system, but couldn't justify the cost over my DIY option. But it definitely is nice!
@@averagejackarchery Ahhh, Yeah the one you made works for sure., I have limited space which is why it worked out great for me. What part of PA are you in? I grew up in Dimock
Every single time I stick my bow into the press I get freaked out. That's what is holding me back from working on more bows.
I’d love to see that draw board please
it is intimidating for sure, not to say I'm not willing to get myself into trouble... Did I miss you adding a "Twist"....and what is that actually ??
Literally adding a twist to a cable when its off the bow. Adding a twist shortens it.
You’re a bit late, I did a full blown “how hard can it be” string and cable change a week or so ago. It went OK, everything is all tuned up and good after a fair amount of tinkering.
Yes please on the draw board video.
Your videos are always good. Thanks! What is a bus cable vs a control cable? I have a 2010 Hoyt Maxxim 35 and know which is which, but I am not sure why one is called a bus cable and the other is a control cable.
Why it's called a "buss" I have ZERO idea! 🤣 But I do know all buss cables are limb connections and control cables are cam connected.
@@averagejackarchery I had missed that distinction. I pulled my bow out and looked at at and do see that the bus cable ties the top split limbs to the bottom cam and the control cable ties the two cams together, so that gives me helpful info. Thanks.
Great video, I would like to get the info in the draw board please.
It's on the channel! Just do a search.
Not a single video UA-cam showing a cam properly strung 😢. Just show it. I don't need any words, just a good view
Drawboard? 30 bucks? YES PLEASE!!! lol. You've convinced me!
Can you please explain how you were measuring the draw length while the bow was on the draw board? Thanks.
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A draw board video sure would be nice!
I’m down for your draw board tutorial.
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Draw board video for sure
A video on making a portable draw board would be amazing.
Already on the channel. Check it out!
I never change a full set of string and cables at once, I stagger them. Makes maintaining my tuning much easier, just my preference
Do you have a video how to set up your peep site
Hey Nate, I could use a little help. I bought my first bow this year a Mathews v3 31. I’ve got about 5-600 arrows through it and am not happy with the stock zebra strings. This bow after 350 shots went back to the ship to check everything and within the last 150-200 shots as become very noisy with a twang I feel is all string. It’s currently at the shop timing is good and poundage was at 59.8 as I’m shooting 60 with a 27” draw. I have them putting ABB platinum strings on it at this point but I’m kinda unhappy about it since I just got it 2 months ago. Am I correct with the correction of the noise with string replacement? Can you even guess that through the inter webs??? Thanks from a fellow PA boy/old guy
Whats the average cost to replace a string and cable on a compound bow.
Hey I have a 19 Bear revival with hybrid cams how do you read the draw length markings also they say you .can change the string without a press how ? And thank you
Thanks. That was good
It was for me , just a good video because I would have liked to see some close ups while you were stringing it. I am obviously a beginner at all this.
I just got my bow back from the shop. I got new strings. The bow was new but wanted new strings. I forgot to ask. When should I wax them? Thank you.
It all depends. I like around 2-300 minimum shots between waxings. That's about 2-3 weeks worth of shooting for me these days.
@@averagejackarchery thank you
Thx, but I really wish you would have started with putting the bow into the press and how to position the clamps.
I've got the EZbowpress and a PSE Dominator DC and a Mathews TX5.
Still looking for a proper manual how to do it ... still sadly. I mean why wouldn't you film the whole process, once you've made up your mind? Well, thanks anyway.
So now with your manual I don't even know how far I should compress the bow and how to dislocate the old string.
Hi, I'd like to ask you two questions, 1- What is, adjusting cam timing?
2- Is it normal for the peep sight to angle to the right, when string is relaxed, and straight when pulled? If not, what does it signify? My strings are not frail. This is a 2007 Martin Magnum Bengal, with original strings. Please be explicit, thanks.
1. Cams rotating the same and coming to full draw at the same time.
2. Peep twist is okay as long as it twists straight when you're at full draw.
@@averagejackarchery Thanks,, so it doesn't apply to a single Cam bow?
Single cams usually have witness marks on the cam that mark where the cable so sit inbetween when the bow is at rest.
@@averagejackarchery Pardon my lack of knowledge here, I didn't understand this part. In either case, is it safe to say, that single cam marks don't change its position on their own?
So I noticed you didn't feel the old string was unsafe-just worn. It might be hard to describe but how much more tearing would need to see to declare a bowstring unsafe to draw and use?
If you have to ask, "Ya think It'll go another year?"....Then you shouldn't take it another year. 🤣
should you always change cables with the string?
If the string is prematurely damaged, replace just the string. If all are the same age and the string needs replaced, I would replace the full set.
Since you brought it twice? Three? Yeah kind of want to see the draw board now hahaha
I've got a hoyt bow I need to change the strings and cables on how would I do that without a bow press or would I need a bow press
You need some sort of press. Impossible without it.
do you pay need to pay attention to the riser when timing cams, as far as being plumb? ive noticed on my ez green draw board the riser is not plumb up and down when drawn back and if i correct it with a torpedo level it changes the cable stop positions.
I try as best as I can to have the bow upright. Not Definitely break out any tools to make it plumb, but upright.
Yes please do a draw bored billed
I changed my strings and cables on my obsession turmoil RZ lost 4lb draw Weight ??? I wanted to keep it set up for a back up bow I got a new elite remedy for my primary bow how often should I switch in between bows I try to shoot every night should I shoot one then the other the same night or shoot one one night then the other one another night
I keep backup bows as backup bows. They sit the bench until I need them and only pull them out to knock the rust off. If you have intentions of using the Obsession frequently, then do as you describe. I personally like to stick with my bow that I will hunt with, 3D with, indoor with, etc. to keep muscle memory and grip pressure consistent as I go through that season.
I like to tell my buddies, "trust me, I'm an engineer" . fun to say lol. I'm a software engineer by trade
Definitely one of the more descriptive videos on how to exactly get cams in time. More of these please??
Wouldn't it be good to clean and grease the axles whole you have it apart?
The bearings spin independent of the axles. There's no grease needed for the axles themselves. Wipe them down if they have crud on them, but grease is unnecessary.
Did I detect a pill stash under your workbench?
Pill bottles are excellent for storage. Especially things that need to be kept dry. I use mine for washers, shims, eclips, and milkweed in the woods!
Does that blue contraption measure draw length as well as poundage?
That's just a scale. I just have marks on my bench for draw lengths.
Can I make my own sting and cables or do I buy them from a shop?
Waaayyyyy more safe and cost effective to just buy strings and cables.
The scarey part of the whole process is compressing the bow for the first time.
Don't forget to turn down the limbs a few turns, just to give the limbs a break.
Everything else is pretty simple.
Vid for draw board please
So what bow would you say is the easiest to restring and tune?
Any two track or three track binary cam system.
@@averagejackarchery can you give me your top 3? And thanks for the fast response 👍🏻 much appreciated
I would like to see how to make a draw board.
Done. ua-cam.com/video/KSetX1tNEA4/v-deo.html
Also I was wondering your opinions on tying nock knots then dlop?
Yup! I always run a soft knot on the bottom side of the nock.
@@averagejackarchery
I thought you said something about it in this video, but when i watched your video about tying dlop peep and serving you didn't go over the soft knot so I wasn't sure
@@christsideurbanstreetminis2183 Yeah for that video I just showed the form of making the dloop. Didn't go into the other bells and whistles some folks do. Everyone does it a little different.
What is the name of the guy that makes your strings?
Craig from Wicked Threads Custom Strings in Dillsburg PA
It’s the camera angle change music for me.
What scale is that?
So I shot my bow and it go un done I just bought it
Sir, teacher, I'm allowed to ask how to make a bow pulley
I suck at math how do u figure ur let off and holding weight what formula u use
Take holding weight, divide by peak weight. That will give a decimal number. Whatever is the remainder to get to 100% is the letoff percentage. 10/60=.16 Meaning 84% letoff.
@@averagejackarchery at full draw on a scale won’t treat give me both peak weight and holding weight
You have to see what the peak is halfway through the draw cycle, then see what the holding weight is at full draw. Need to build a draw board for ease of use. Have a video on my channel about how to do that.
@@averagejackarchery just ordered on for my lca press
@@averagejackarchery unfortunately I don’t understand the math very you explained to me math is almost impossible for me
Say it's not scary when your friend helping let's go of the tension and it cuts the end of your finger off
Don’t see your email
Literally in the description of every video I make.
Yeah, vid on draw bored....
Less telling me how good you are and how much crap you've done Mr. English teacher and just show us how to do it already.
Talk so much and can't see a bloody thing of what you're doing.
a little tip stop telling youre life styory and everything between and string the fucking bow , just saying
Thanks for feeding the algorithm!
interesting but you talk so long I fell asleep
Greatness takes time.