You are 100% true. As a neovim user I spend almost half or the entire day just configuring it for rust and c++ because I use don't use Mason and just configure it by code and watch a random tutorial at the same time
My hatred and distrust for Microsoft has kept me from even trusting that. Had a bit of a. Crisis after they discontinued atom and tried neovim for a while. Thank God for the pulsar team and their fork of atom
@@bigboxSWE let me give you a better name on that reference: Directory ship. Cause you're the literal Directory of knowledge who ships for us broke ass devs. Thanks for your content as always!
Can't believe you brought up visual studio and didn't mention us C++ devs. We hate our language, but we will defend it to the death if anyone talks smack about it
@@Anton_Sh. cowards run to the comfort of zig and rust. The warriors fight in the trenches of legacy c++ code with terrible memory leak and bases that switch between using and not using namespace std
@@sampjm1898 I suppose it's either just personal preferences, or for practical purpose : you want to read your code without having the files and the mess at your left when your eyes start to read another line of code ; you'd be inclined to be distracted. All suppositions, idk for real.
I use arch on a 2013 thinkpad edge, neovim in tmux, I code in Rust and listen to the joe rogan experience. I also haven’t showered for two days. What the actual hell
@@aeronjarrett6753diatro doesn't matter as much, desktop environment does if your system is somewhat performant it might run regular xfce, if not, there are plenty window managers like dwm, openbox, etc. that can work with a tiny amount of cpu power
@@joshuarose3186 Depends, either they've never used any other text editor, can't be arsed, or they're people who only open it in administrator mode to edit certain system files. Probs a few more use cases, but mostly people who don't want to bother with downloading something better.
Notepad++ brings back memories. It was and still is for the occasional script a very good choice. Especially if you need something lightweight and portable. And it is still maintained.
There is programming before and after JetBrains. I've tried different IDE's and editors and JetBrains IDE's are unmatched. It just reduces the cognitive load tremendously. It's super easy to navigate even large projects and the visual debugger is a pleasure to work with. If you want you can get the Vim shortcuts, but I don't use it anymore because the shortcuts aren't "cross application". I like the system shortcuts as they are the same in whatever application I use. One ring to rule them all. A good visual debugger is a must btw.
I don't use VI, or derivatives of it, I never understood why it was so complex, I use NANO for editing small files and Ed when I need something more powerful, I recently discovered OpenBSD has an editor called MG, which is "Micro-Emacs" apparently, its cool, its emacs without the bloat.
@@johnmcashill9919 Nah, I can't lose time with configurarions and `ed` lets me edit files using regular expressions, which is what I use it for most of the time.
I use micro btw. Most sane cli text editor. I even switched to writing python apps in it, so I don’t have to wait for pycharm to load and bombard me with new features.
@@lionelemilio4141 I talked about the pretender part. A junior dev gets shit actually done. The one just wants to life the style of it and act like a SWE
@@finndemoncat9379 It's not about the editor, it's about the guy using it. I have go think about this type because I got people like these in my CS course. But to still answer your questions VSC is very good. It depends how you use it. Do you only want to pretend, you won't get anything from it. If you want to build software and work with other members it will be the best tool you could have.
Pretty funny that I started using Emacs in 2016 as a 19 year old. That editor was double my age. Still admire it with all its quirks to this day. Preeeettty steep learning curve tho, I admit
personally i've been using a hex editor for while, but recently i noticed "what's the point of writing code if i can use the same editor to write binary directly", now i write jvm bytecode
Offense taken, although I'm humble enough to accept the truth of your argument. That having been said, Sublime is and will always be (probably, who knows) my bestie.
1:18 wow... I can't belive I didn't discover this sooner. I am bit used to the left side layout by now but I'm so glad there is an option to make it good!
Pretty damn accurate, from a VSCode using Gen-Xer who just gets shit done, default theme, file tree on the left but usually open to Git, gave up on trying Neovim, in bed by 2, unhealthy weed and espresso addiction, still owned an IBM Type M until switching to a Keycron during the pandemic. My Mom has a crawlspace, not a basement, so will have to settle for the garage.
i use intellij for java and i won't do it any other way. i am gonna die eventually and i'd rather not waste my time with structural java quirks. i use neovim for other things because it works nice with linux setup. i can use vscode comfortably too. it's nice all around. for me, it doesn't make a lot of difference. i can enjoy all of them when i figure out what i want and they all provide it with various difficulties.
I use CLion for C and it's a great IDE albeit very bloated. It saves me lots of time, and I get it for free so I don't have any reason to use another tool
As a zed user, I am deeply offended that I fit the description of the VSCode users (this isnt actually what most of them are, im just going with the flow)
i got low key kinda hurt about the game dev part but i am probably going to fall into the stereo type of never releasing a game but tbh i dont wanna get mad because it all part of the joke but also what's the point of the internet if i cant get mad at people making fun of me
40-year-old Java and C# devs trying not to use a bloated, outdated IDE on Windows with a pure #FFFFFF theme on everything except the text (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)
@@nomen385 no it's the worst text editor.. it's hard to edit things written with a pen.. even pencil writings are hard to edit written with pressure...
I forgot Eclipse existed, I used it for a short while when attempting to get into Java. Didn't go to college in the 2000s, still middle school. Outfit checks out, tho. Still wearing those camo cargos
A common trend i'm seeing is every one talks down on vscode but offer no alternative. Every text editor is "oh you use that". Like every youtube just makes these videos for views....... and it works.
Helix-editor gang. For people who want a modern VIM and want to get sh*t done. No plugins means no plugins breaking bby. It just works, is fast, and is easy.
Dude I live in Iran Average programmers in my country barely know other IDE's or other platforms, except VS Code or Visual Studio (not speaking of actual programmers) and here's why: In my country, if you graduate in computer schools or in related majors in universities, you should handwrite codes in a peace of paper in exams, not even on a pc that only has notepad++!!! They still make us to use platforms like Adobe Dreamweaver for creating websites
It's interesting how text editor preferences can be a beef. I first used notepad++ in high school back in like 2014 and then switched to sublime text because that's what the cool class programmers (not cool kids xD) were switching to. Honestly, it it was mostly the UI that got me. It just feels good. I have VS code installed and I sometimes use it but for the most part I still use sublime just because I don't feel the need to switch. Although I probably do some research on newer editors, but guess what, I'm too lazy xD
@@SzymonSaysStuffbecause their faces are usually placed on the right side, so they don't overlay the code. Also editor doesn't do any UI shift when opening/closing sidebar In my honest opinion tho - sidebar on the left is still better because you don't have to stare at the edge of the screen all the time which is super non-ergonomic
@@SzymonSaysStuff It makes the screen feel significantly less cluttered. I'm guessing it's because our brains are wired to read left-to-right, so we always try to subconsciously "parse" the sidebar before reading the contents of our main pane.
As a Neovim user I can confirm that I didn't even watch the video because I'm still configuring Neovim
lmao dude, you made my day, this is so relatable xdd
That's because youre stuck using that garbage they call Lua! Now if only someone made a flavor of Vim using Elisp...
You only need a decent colorscheme, treesitter, lsp, telescope and maybe a file tree.
You are 100% true. As a neovim user I spend almost half or the entire day just configuring it for rust and c++ because I use don't use Mason and just configure it by code and watch a random tutorial at the same time
@@CaptTerrific Both languages are pure garbage
VS Codium: When you hate Microsoft so much but you also needed VS Code
My hatred and distrust for Microsoft has kept me from even trusting that. Had a bit of a. Crisis after they discontinued atom and tried neovim for a while.
Thank God for the pulsar team and their fork of atom
I used to love Atom. Tried Pulsar the other days, tons of errors when instaling dependencies.
@@Joetorres3 really? I have yet to have a problem. I do solidity and Javascript work mostly on Linux. What languages and OS are you using.
when u think ur a Linux nerd but u don't even know how to exit vim
No one needs VsCode, we just use it for lazyness
As a typical fireship viewer I can confirm I'm definitely "suprised" to see bigbox boarding the "text editor personality" train.
i remember someone calling me direship and that lives in my head rent free
@@bigboxSWE let me give you a better name on that reference: Directory ship. Cause you're the literal Directory of knowledge who ships for us broke ass devs. Thanks for your content as always!
"Nano because you're scared of vim" lmao
Its true tho
Honestly though... Yeah, I gotta admit XD
Relatable
So true !!! :D
CTRL S, CTRL X easy
Can't believe you brought up visual studio and didn't mention us C++ devs. We hate our language, but we will defend it to the death if anyone talks smack about it
Are you saying rust/zig you're gonna not adapt?
@@Anton_Sh. cowards run to the comfort of zig and rust. The warriors fight in the trenches of legacy c++ code with terrible memory leak and bases that switch between using and not using namespace std
FR
he forgot borland/turbo ide in honorable mentions
FR man, C++ always been that toxic girlfriend, whom I can't leave
senior level jetbrains user, never wrote a unit test in my life ☺️
I'm a junior jetbrains user, seems like it's tempting to follow your path.
And let me guess... stuck on a java 8 project ? Yeah I know that too
@@lufenmartofilia5804 lmao for me, it was Java 7 and recently upgraded to 8 kekw
senior here. also jetbrains
Never worked in company level JetBrains user, im coding some stuff after reversing in ida. Never wrote a unit test in my life
All I took away from this was to move my vscode tabs to the right side and my day feels spiced up already ty. Back to the coffee shop 🤓
Same!
All that’s left is to quit coding to be a tech UA-camr and sell false hopes and dreams through boot camps after holding one junior dev job!
gonna try this right this instant ... or not idk
I don't get this?can anybody explain to me why you want to shift your tab to the right?
@@sampjm1898 I suppose it's either just personal preferences, or for practical purpose : you want to read your code without having the files and the mess at your left when your eyes start to read another line of code ; you'd be inclined to be distracted. All suppositions, idk for real.
I use arch on a 2013 thinkpad edge, neovim in tmux, I code in Rust and listen to the joe rogan experience. I also haven’t showered for two days. What the actual hell
Exactly me. And he also nailed that I prefer manga over Anime 😭
Bro only needs to add blue hair for the perfect rustacean
I've been wondering what Linux would run on the thinkpad... though I think mine is much older than 2013 :(
Should be C rather than Rust but decent enough otherwise
Also do you use a tiling window manager?
@@aeronjarrett6753diatro doesn't matter as much, desktop environment does
if your system is somewhat performant it might run regular xfce, if not, there are plenty window managers like dwm, openbox, etc. that can work with a tiny amount of cpu power
Best IDE: Sticky Notes 📝
Lol
Notepad++ has entered the chat
@@christopherdixon4472 notepad++ has usable features... notepad is a better ide..
Sticky notes… more like Notepad - -
Let Paper and pen bless you
notepad++ users are the true gigachads because they use their text editor like a text editor
what about people that just use notepad
@@joshuarose3186 Depends, either they've never used any other text editor, can't be arsed, or they're people who only open it in administrator mode to edit certain system files. Probs a few more use cases, but mostly people who don't want to bother with downloading something better.
@@joshuarose3186 *Hypercam aquiered* __Trance001_plays__
It's only for the autosave 👍
i use notepad... just normal default notepad
I can't believe the good old windows notepad wasn't mentioned
On that note I can’t believe the even better Microsoft Word wasn’t included.
@@CoClockOn that note, I can't believe the good old ms paint wasn't mentioned.
well, there is beauty in the simplicity of coding in notepad.
Or Notepad++
i use notepad to make up webpages sometimes
As an Emacs user, i can confirm it is indeed past my bedtime
Yeah it's way too late.
Time for you to hibernate
Notepad++ brings back memories.
It was and still is for the occasional script a very good choice.
Especially if you need something lightweight and portable.
And it is still maintained.
I'm a simple man. I see bigbox notification, I click.
True
true
1
I am that simple man too
Guess im a simple man too
😂😂 My daily dose of toxicity & self-imposed cyber bullyuing. The supreme motivational speaker🤣
indeed 🤣🤣🤣
There is programming before and after JetBrains. I've tried different IDE's and editors and JetBrains IDE's are unmatched. It just reduces the cognitive load tremendously. It's super easy to navigate even large projects and the visual debugger is a pleasure to work with. If you want you can get the Vim shortcuts, but I don't use it anymore because the shortcuts aren't "cross application". I like the system shortcuts as they are the same in whatever application I use. One ring to rule them all. A good visual debugger is a must btw.
Damn, I read the manga.. guess I have to learn vim. Best video I've seen in my life.
what are u doing NOT using vim bro, you're so close to transition into Algo Chad final form
JOIN THE CHURCH OF EMACS MORTAL
The humor is straight up on point for this one.
Just want to say thanks bigbox for your vids.
Writing garbage code without tests really pegged me.
That's pretty gay, ngl
... pegged?
pause
Bro did Vim users dirtyy , he didn't even mention it 💀
ikr. the neovim crowd came in and started calling their editor vim when it's really just vim with a roblox language and weird community
@@harleyspeedthrust4013 roblox language > esoteric language
@@zekrinealfa1113 which language?
@@ncpeaksean4278i suppose lua because "roblox language"
@@harleyspeedthrust4013nah don't hate on lua. you just haven't tried it
I got sick of all the choices that I created my own Editor. Best thing I've ever done.
Now there are X+1 choices
Haha. That's how these things are born.@@futuza
Let me use it too
That's the level you reach when you have long hair, long beard and like viking stuff 😂
"navigation on the right side of the screen", thanks for the recognition bigbox 🔥
As a Notepad++ user, I agree mostly young people use this text editor. I use both VSCode for Windows and Notepad++.
Young people? I just turned 38.
@@ChristopherAndersonPirate did you watch the video?
As a Microsoft Flavoured Java user myself, I can agree that I will defend this toolchain with everything I got to the grave.
This is about to go so viral. I’m both jealous and fearful of your comments for the next few weeks
Why is this comment so deeply buried
the anarchy has already begun
big box probably read my comment let's gooo
haha im only a bigbox in size not fame, i see most comments :) @@CoolestPossibleName
@@bigboxSWE you are a big youtuber to me
Here I am coding on vscode and watching this video then BOOM "PUT YOUR PRIMARY BAR ON THE RIGHT SIDE"....I never thought to do this. Thank you
I love the fact that the english speaking IT community started using memes with Prigozhin in their videos :)
0:53
Helix not being mentioned is oddly fitting
As a notepad user i can confirm that it's better than every other editor.
I mean...
It's defaulted to whitemode.
As a vscode user i dont even care about editors just wanna make the software i need and im interested in, gave up on this industry anyway
The sudden plainrock jumpscare caught of me off-guard KSJSJSJ
I don't use VI, or derivatives of it, I never understood why it was so complex, I use NANO for editing small files and Ed when I need something more powerful, I recently discovered OpenBSD has an editor called MG, which is "Micro-Emacs" apparently, its cool, its emacs without the bloat.
Oh wow, an ed user out in the wild, that's a rare sight to see
I use vim, in my mind Ed means erectal disfunction 😂
@@johnmcashill9919 Nah, I can't lose time with configurarions and `ed` lets me edit files using regular expressions, which is what I use it for most of the time.
Man, the Visual Studio stuff with C# is so true and real. I can see all of it every single day at work
I use micro btw. Most sane cli text editor. I even switched to writing python apps in it, so I don’t have to wait for pycharm to load and bombard me with new features.
I know it is a joke, but come on... we all think the VSC archetype that pretends is 100% real
@@lionelemilio4141 I talked about the pretender part. A junior dev gets shit actually done. The one just wants to life the style of it and act like a SWE
Ah my bad then. sorry man.@@lionelemilio4141
VSC is great for little one file projects
And what other code editors do you suggest?
@@finndemoncat9379 It's not about the editor, it's about the guy using it. I have go think about this type because I got people like these in my CS course.
But to still answer your questions VSC is very good. It depends how you use it. Do you only want to pretend, you won't get anything from it. If you want to build software and work with other members it will be the best tool you could have.
I've spent a couple years configuring Neovim but I still don't have even a single fully completed project
Damn, you got me at "File explore on the right side". Yes, I hate my editor position change when you have long and large folder structure on the left
bro came out swinging today
Pretty funny that I started using Emacs in 2016 as a 19 year old. That editor was double my age. Still admire it with all its quirks to this day. Preeeettty steep learning curve tho, I admit
I feel personally attacked
I know. SciTE wasn't even mentioned.
@@desertdude540 even windows builtin notepad wasnt mentioned
well, do not make a text editor a part of your identity then?
@@svragv how am I supposed to even live then
@@chindianajones3742 that's your journey, man
Helix: you're too much of a hipster, not even Neovim cuts it for you
You missed the Gigachads: Notepad.
personally i've been using a hex editor for while, but recently i noticed "what's the point of writing code if i can use the same editor to write binary directly", now i write jvm bytecode
What a nigma
As a Neovim +i3 + NixOS user, I can confirm that I still configuring everything
New user: "When do we get to the ride?" (using the software they're configuring)
NixOS: "This [configuring] _is_ the ride!"
@@angeldude101 exactly! I enjoy every bit of learning how to configure NixOS to my liking. Which feel a lot more fun than playing video games
Offense taken, although I'm humble enough to accept the truth of your argument. That having been said, Sublime is and will always be (probably, who knows) my bestie.
the accuracy of this video is beyond anything.
1:18 wow... I can't belive I didn't discover this sooner. I am bit used to the left side layout by now but I'm so glad there is an option to make it good!
I use Helix because I'd rather not fight the stupidly long config process of Neovim.
real programmers code on rocks.. No typo, no bug.. You right each line, you gotta be DAMN sure it works just as intended
phew, luckily he didn't mention online editor websites.
as a nano user, im scared of vim, that shit is terrifying, i like my habitat. i love your channel is so informational and entertaining
everything you said about Neovim user is me. just at point.
and what about your personal hygiene bro? :D
What? You didn't mention my code editor, ms paint!
Chads just use: Wordpad 🗿
Too bad it's gone now
But windows builtin notepad is better
Nano is superior
While gigachads use ed in the tty, and they only start an X instance if they need to test their graphical program
real chads use echo >>, if you want to change a line rewrite the entire file
But what about the classic vim user, that only uses vim because they get sensory overload when opening vs code or 2 tabs at once? 😢
As an emacs user, at 34 years old, I can confirm that I am the youngest emacs user I know.
Pretty damn accurate, from a VSCode using Gen-Xer who just gets shit done, default theme, file tree on the left but usually open to Git, gave up on trying Neovim, in bed by 2, unhealthy weed and espresso addiction, still owned an IBM Type M until switching to a Keycron during the pandemic. My Mom has a crawlspace, not a basement, so will have to settle for the garage.
i use intellij for java and i won't do it any other way. i am gonna die eventually and i'd rather not waste my time with structural java quirks.
i use neovim for other things because it works nice with linux setup.
i can use vscode comfortably too. it's nice all around.
for me, it doesn't make a lot of difference. i can enjoy all of them when i figure out what i want and they all provide it with various difficulties.
The best editor for java is to not use java
I use CLion for C and it's a great IDE albeit very bloated. It saves me lots of time, and I get it for free so I don't have any reason to use another tool
As a zed user, I am deeply offended that I fit the description of the VSCode users (this isnt actually what most of them are, im just going with the flow)
Waiting for roast of Kakoune and Helix :v
preach!
i got low key kinda hurt about the game dev part but i am probably going to fall into the stereo type of never releasing a game but tbh i dont wanna get mad because it all part of the joke but also what's the point of the internet if i cant get mad at people making fun of me
3:45 why is this so accurate 😭😭 and defending C# part lol you're spot on.
literally me omg. Does anyone else?
40-year-old Java and C# devs trying not to use a bloated, outdated IDE on Windows with a pure #FFFFFF theme on everything except the text (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)
I thought I was about to get away mostly unscathed, but then I got hit by Eclipse and Notepad++ right after
where is notepad?? without ++
One of the few people who use Micro (I'm hella lazy and enjoy the simplicity of it)
Me, too when I'm on ubuntu. On windows it tuns so slow. So I use Notepad++
As a JetBrains IDE user... Never before have I been so offended by something I one hundred percent agree with XDDDD
I feel so proud as a jetbrains boy
You know it's a bad place to go when interviewer is using JetBrains
eh why ?
zed is coming in a moment..
Everyone knows that the windows notepad is the best text editor
rookie. MSpaint is the best we all know that
Noobs. It's paper.
@@nomen385 nuh uh, clay tablets are even better if you think about it
Arthur Whitney would certainly agree with you.
@@nomen385 no it's the worst text editor.. it's hard to edit things written with a pen.. even pencil writings are hard to edit written with pressure...
4:26 I feel attacked!
Nowadays I use Geany. My body is ready, let'er rip!
My Editor is helix: For people who like the drawbacks of neovim without any of the ecosystem, just because it's written in rust ^^
🦀
Helix is for wannabe hipsters like Neovim is but at least Helix users shower.
Rust is for cowards
Write in C
I forgot Eclipse existed, I used it for a short while when attempting to get into Java. Didn't go to college in the 2000s, still middle school. Outfit checks out, tho. Still wearing those camo cargos
John Carmack uses visual studio
A common trend i'm seeing is every one talks down on vscode but offer no alternative. Every text editor is "oh you use that". Like every youtube just makes these videos for views....... and it works.
Ok. Jetbrains IDEs
I know nothing about coding, but I appreciate this video.
Absolute genius!!! This channel deserves x10 the subscribers :D
Where Helix???
the 5 helix users are not eating tonight
The way you hit me deep with the Nano and the Eclipse burns...
Helix not mentioned 😢
helix my beloved
i like how nvim got such a long segment. almost as long as the time it takes us to cd into the right rep
Helix-editor gang. For people who want a modern VIM and want to get sh*t done. No plugins means no plugins breaking bby. It just works, is fast, and is easy.
helix recognition
I can’t believe you forgot about all 38 Helix users.
39 now.
Next time you should talk about helix :)
Dude I live in Iran
Average programmers in my country barely know other IDE's or other platforms, except VS Code or Visual Studio (not speaking of actual programmers) and here's why:
In my country, if you graduate in computer schools or in related majors in universities, you should handwrite codes in a peace of paper in exams, not even on a pc that only has notepad++!!!
They still make us to use platforms like Adobe Dreamweaver for creating websites
Wait until you discover that it's the same thing in other parts of the world
as a Neovim user I couldn't focus on the video because I was still configuring my thinkpad
where’s helix? 😢😢
What’s that? 😂
It's interesting how text editor preferences can be a beef. I first used notepad++ in high school back in like 2014 and then switched to sublime text because that's what the cool class programmers (not cool kids xD) were switching to. Honestly, it it was mostly the UI that got me. It just feels good. I have VS code installed and I sometimes use it but for the most part I still use sublime just because I don't feel the need to switch. Although I probably do some research on newer editors, but guess what, I'm too lazy xD
this is a banger
Kate: You either use Arch with KDE Plasma or you use KDE Neon.
1:17 The tip to change the sidebar to the right is genuinely super helpful, thanks!
why? I noticed many UA-camrs use it like that, but I don't know why
@@SzymonSaysStuffbecause their faces are usually placed on the right side, so they don't overlay the code. Also editor doesn't do any UI shift when opening/closing sidebar
In my honest opinion tho - sidebar on the left is still better because you don't have to stare at the edge of the screen all the time which is super non-ergonomic
@@SzymonSaysStuff It makes the screen feel significantly less cluttered. I'm guessing it's because our brains are wired to read left-to-right, so we always try to subconsciously "parse" the sidebar before reading the contents of our main pane.
You nailed the Jetbrains user. It's exactly me.
(Brazilian indie dev who uses VS almost exlusively for c#)
Never in my life have I felt so attacked.
I use it for CPP, but I use VS Code for everything else.
I’ve tried many different editors and while trying each one I was at a stage of life that you called out 😂
My left hand hurts for slapping my knee when laughing at this
I hope your right hand isn't tired
You forgot Xcode and the entire Apple dev community (don’t worry, you aren’t the only one)
I write C on paper 😎 ( I am a student ☹️)
not so different than writing haskell white papers.
Richard Stallman: "I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children."
bigboxSWE: "I dig it!!!"
Context: 2:30
I'm 14, and I already used emacs, am I an old foe anyway ? (now I use vim btw)
you meant neovim???
@@vaisakh_km no. vim is not neovim, they are two different things
@@vaisakh_kmyes sorry
@@vaisakh_kmnope. VIM.
@@vaisakh_km no. VIM.
This was a truly innovative video...
is what I would've said if Dreamweaver was in it