I think it's hard to watch the original films in a vacuum. I can tell my brain that "Disney Star Wars doesn't count" etc., but deep down I can't shake the sadness of what happened to the franchise. It's just not the same for me any more.
Sadly thats exactly where I am. In the almost 30 years prior to TRoS I watched the original trilogy probably three times a year. More sometimes. I havnt watched it since 2019. I try to convince myself to just pretend the Disney stuff doesn't exist, but it all just still feels tarnished. I can't watch the OT and not have what Disney did to all the characters in the back of my head.
While I can still enjoy the original 6 (and rogue one to be fair)- I can even enjoy the first 2 seasons of the mandalorian,- sadly the Disney trilogy, the boba fett show, the obi wan show and, the acoylte had damaged the rest of star wars monumentally as a brand - but especially the Disney trilogy - because all roads lead to blue-green milk on craggy island, Rey palpetine becoming the girl boss hero, han becoming a deadbeat dad etc. Kathleen Kennedy does not deserve to go out on a high. This is her mess and she does not deserve it. This all happened on her watch. At this stage, the franchise can burn for all I care. maybe someone more deserving will get the rights or stewardship some day and my grandkids will get to enjoy star wars again.
@@genghisgahan9623You nailed part of my feeling here. It's hard to feel that same thrill of Han and Leia _finally_ getting together when "canon" says that it all goes to hell. It's hard to celebrate Luke's victory when "canon" says he'll become a bitter old hermit. Even though I reject the sequels, having that "official" ending to our story cheapens it.
If you haven't read Heir to Empire, I'd recommend it. Restore optimism. Though I'd stick with Bantam era. NJO and beyond get dark in an unpleasant way. Still less bleak than sequels. Han and Leia stay strong.
@@TheChristianPsychopath I've read the Thrawn trilogy several times. They're amazing. But that's just another character they've completely ruined under Disney. He's a complete joke now. So sad.
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me.
I still treasure the pre-Disney era, but I certainly don't revisit it as frequently as I used to. It doesn't have the same emotional hold on me as it used to. I miss feeling excited about Star Wars and eager to indulge in it.
If anything, Disney SW made me appreciate the original 6 movies and EU even more than I already did. Aside from Rogue One and Andor, the amount of damage Disney inflicted in this franchise is just unbelievable.
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me
Funny I should find this video in this moment, as I turn on A New Hope to remember how much I love Star Wars. And I still love it. It flabbergasts me how much Disney has effed it up, but nothing can ruin the OT for me.
Nothing will ever detract from my love of the first 6 films (the OT in particular). It even makes me love them more. It reminds me that 45+ years on, they are still amazing films, and it makes me wonder how it could have fallen so low (with the odd exception like Rogue One).
In regards to the first question ,I have my own head canon which includes the Original and Prequel Trilogies with Rogue One and Andor fitting in nicely with them. I'll give credit where it is due with Disney in regards to Andor and RO.
Andor got a 2nd season. It's canon. Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi and the Acolyte didn't get 2nd seasons. They're not canon. Ahsoka got a 2nd season, but I've got mixed feelings on that one.
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me
That's true. I just watched the original trilogy in the cinema. Had only seen Empire in cinema before. It really was an amazing experience for me. It reignited my enthusiasm for Star Wars. I just wished I could have seen the original versions and not the special editions as the cgi hasn't aged well at all.
No, Disney can't ruin how I feel about anything that George did or made. I was way too old for that to happen when Disney got their grubby hands on it in 2012.
That’s actually really good advice for relationships, not just with Star Wars. Choose to keep loving someone or something even as they/you/your life changes. Going back to the analogy, though, I have noticed that as I grow older the wonder of first experiencing certain movies or books feels less new and exciting. I have had to make a conscious effort (at least a conscious choice) to keep revisiting those old stories and shows from my childhood. One thing that has helped is sharing them with other people, or talking to someone who already is a fan. Seeing someone else’s love for that story, or seeing someone experience that for the very first time helps me recall some of that wonder. Also, revisiting them after a while sometimes reawakens those memories.
As a public school teacher, if it is Dystopian, it kind of reminds me of the early teen books the Elder or Holes. Widely used in middle school classes. It would make sense to explore those topics with kids at that almost rebellious age. Both also become very popular with students. Don’t under estimate our youth…yet 🤪
The Original Trilogy will always hold a place in my heart. While I don't hate everything Disney Star Wars, I quote Jor-El in Man of Steel: I will honor the man you once were, Star Wars. Not this monster you've become.
I never saw anything Star Wars before 2020, when I happened to walk past a pizza lunch group at work and they invited me to have some pizza and join them watching Star Wars. I saw the sequels before I ever saw the prequels. Since then I’ve been consuming more Star Wars content, mostly from the original EU. Timothy Zahn has quickly become one of my favorite authors. My dislike of the Disney era is mostly because they either went into the films without a concrete plan or let the plan get derailed and turned the sequels into a mess. Han, Luke, and Leia all dying and getting replaced by Disney OCs (and whether or not any of them are self-inserts) wouldn’t have bothered me if the stories themselves were good. One thing I noticed in that work lunch group was that they strongly revered the originals and were really into the movies, and one guy told me that General Grievous was his favorite villain in anything ever. Then when it came to the sequels they enjoyed the Force Awakens, but in The Last Jedi they weren’t as interested in the film and were mostly laughing at the Porgs and Luke drinking milk from a Dr. Seuss creature. Then during Rise of Skywalker they spent most of the movie discussing what to watch after and decided on Black Panther. It was as if they played the film out of obligation and not because they really wanted to. So as someone who never knew the films before Disney, I can’t know if Disney would have ruined them for me in any way. What I can say is I still enjoy the original 6 and the expanded universe.
My prequel experience was like this. Rewatching those movies and seeing the love Lucas put into them in spite of their imperfect execution, and it highlights the vapid, corporate garbage theyre making nowadays.
Some days just aren't the right days to watch certain movies. There have been plenty of times when I've started to watch a movie I thought I wanted to watch but haven't felt it on the day. Just give it a break and try again another time.
The "Disney-SW Nonsense-Bullshit Non-Canon Sequel-Trilogy", including most of Dismal Disney-SW in general, is good for only 1 thing... it changed my mind about finaly collecting the old Dark Horse comics (The Empire, The Rebellion, The New Republic)
They could probably do a revolution between seasons if they wanted. That kinda lets them gloss over the darker side and keep it mostly kid friendly, but also lets the event take place and they could explore some of the aftermath... plus it leaves open the opportunity to explore that for a book, comics, or a video game. I think it'd be pretty awesome if we could play a video game set between seasons of a show or something. Honestly, I'm still waiting for some company to do what Syfy was supposed to with Defiance; tie in the video game and the choices we make into future seasons. Honestly, probably easier with movies. Release one in like 2026, the game a month later, collect the data of what choices players make by the end of the year, write it into the sequel through 2027 and release the next movie in late 2028. Boom. Nobody has ever actually delivered on that premise, and allowing fans to affect the future of a franchise directly seems like the coolest thing ever, imo. Cross-media interaction. Epic. Honestly, Disney is probably one of the only companies large enough to be able to pull it off. Especially since they make movies and video games, more or less. Ubisoft could maybe do it if their foray into movies didn't flop... Sony maybe could but their movies haven't been good in years... It has to be Disney, basically.
My big thing about how Disney has handled things is that it makes me feel like the chosen one or Anakins sacrifice means less than it did before. Even if I try to forget the sequel trilogy all I think is that "somehow Palpatine returned".
Honestly, the state of modern Star Wars got me to replay The Force Unleashed's Wii version. Beat it in three days (with both endings) and absolutely loved it. I'd honestly forgotten how good some of the old EU stuff could be
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me
Hey Thor, I have a question for a lightning response video: what is your opinion of the Lego Star Wars Games? I’ve seen you played the Skywalker Saga one, but what about the rest? I’ve 100%ed all I’ve played (original, classic trilogy, Clone Wars, Skywalker Saga) and found them really entertaining and fun to play together with friends! My personal highlight was the VS mode where you play one on one with a friend and take control of bases against one another. Also from a game design perspective it’s really interesting how these games evolved from really simplistic “collect every character figure“ in the first game to basically a big hub world in the Clone Wars game and finally an open-world(ish) explorable galaxy in Skywalker Saga. Would be fun to here your thoughts on this if you have any you’d like to share, love your videos, may the force be with you.
Hey Thor , thanks for your point in this video , I honestly do hate everything that Disney has done with Star Wars but I’m not as much a hurry to see every new content as I use to be .
Hey Thor, I could be way off on the timelines but what do you think about Cassians homeworld being one of the other treasure planets. There was obviously a huge mining operation and maybe the flashbacks we saw was the start of the destruction of these hidden treasure planets.
I have the same opinion. All my love goes to the original trilogy and its mythic, fairy tale world, a world which Disney, which used to do fairy tales so well, cannot seem to understand.
The Sequels, not Rouge One or Solo (I liked those films) made me reevaluate the Prequels' dialog. "I hate sand" line doesn't seem that bad anymore. Plus it made me appreciate EU books like Crystal Star, Dark Empire, and Children of the Jedi because they are not the worst thing that happened to Star Wars.
I still enjoy the first 6 movies, I guess if I think about it makes me sad at how much Disney has messed up and I don’t have 9 movies to enjoy. Also hopefully if the Skeleton Crew is successful they take away the right messages and don’t just try to duplicate it
Having been born in 1990 I’m definitely in the prequel generation but I actually did the OT first on VHS (not even the Special Editions mind you, indeed my VHS of ROTJ even has scenes missing, like the Executor crashing into the Death Star II) and my stepbrother, who was born in '95, always said “the prequels are better than the OT because they have better effects” when we were kids. Finally I did manage to convince him that the OT are the better films from a film-making perspective at least (we all know the stuff about actual sets and location shooting vs. endless blue screen). So no, I don’t think the love for Lucas’ Star Wars, all six of them, is necessarily tarnished by whatever Disney does. Additionally, I’ve recently been enjoying classic games like the original Battlefront II (and Empire at War), no amount of EA Battlefront can change that.
The prequels are better films because they have better acting, a more nuanced story, more interesting characters and world-building. The effects have nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, I always preferred the lightsaber fights in the OT 🤷🏼♀️
@ wait, the prequels have better acting than the OT? I’m sorry, I love the prequels but the acting is in some places (Episode II especially) average at best. And the cinematography is worse too, so many static shots with A camera/B camera setups. The story is excellent and Ewan McGregor or Christopher Lee, as well as Ian MacDiarmid shine through with good acting here and there, but even Lucas himself has admitted often enough that he isn’t a really good director.
@smintili Apparently Lucas's self-deprecating humor ("all I manage is faster and more intense") went completely over your head 😅 Yes, the acting in the prequels is much better. Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill were never good actors, and their performance is average at most. The main actors in the prequels were all outstanding, particularly Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman. The cinematography is awsome, especially if compared to the Disney garbage. In the words of Natalie Portman, Lucas' films are "eye candy", and that's exactly what they are 🤷🏼♀️
@ ok, now I know you’re just trolling 😂 Hayden‘s performance in II is mostly awkward and terrible which the character shouldn’t be all the time and Natalie Portman does a fine job but never excels really, the dialogue is way too stiff for that (although that’s generally a problem with Lucas), and in III Hayden does a better job but he is propped up by MacDiarmid and McGregor and doesn’t have that many scenes with Portman. And yes, Hamill and Fisher aren’t exactly Olivier or Welles either, but they managed to make their characters feel more realistic anyway. Also Leia and Han’s romance feels more genuine than Anakin and Padme‘s in Empire and Clones respectively.
@smintili Well, you're obviously trolling. No way anybody finds Hamill's or Fisher's acting more believable than Portman's. Just ridiculous 🙈 To be honest, I have yet to see a single scene of bad (or "wooden" 😂) acting and hear a single line of bad dialogue in the prequels. It's just not there 🤷🏼♀️ Or are they on some kind of hidden track after the actual films? 🤔
I never liked the movies just in general but I liked them as a guiding light to the fundamentals of star wars i loved kotor 2 for its philosophical appreciation of star wars I loved kotor 1 for the relationships built and the story of revan. I loved the bane trilogy for how it really flushed out how systematic the sith had to become and just how well told the story was. I loved the old animated clone wars series for the fact that it respected the villians and made them genuine threats. I find my apathy comes from the fact that there just isn't that happening in star wars anymore and everyone's trying to tell some version of a fast forwarded anakin to vader back to anakin anti hero story repeatedly and it's exhausting cause no one does an anti hero right anymore and that's all everyone keeps trying to build lol
Hey Thor. I love your content. I also like to argue with people about Star Wars and I hope I don't offend people on here when I do so. I think we all come from different viewpoints on Star Wars but we also almost all feel slighted in one way or another. Do you think they'll ever give us a show or movies to fill the gap between The OT and the ST with the Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando, or will we just have to go with our own head canon/ the lengends stuff forever? Disney isn't going anywhere any time soon and successful or not, I can't imagin them giving up Star Wars either.
The only thing that is ruined is the official canon, but thankfully that can be ignored before and after certain points (i.e. before The Phantom Menace because of The Acolyte, and after Return of the Jedi because of the sequels) and they haven't messed up anything between TPM and RotJ as Rogue One and Andor have been excellent and worthy additions to George Lucas canon.
No revolution on At Attin, but on discovering the meaning of the ‘great work’, the kids’ll have to decide whether to return/stay. This ends with friends going separate ways.
So tired of the issue of the suburban feel on Skeleton Crew, it is a large galaxy and to think everyone lives in vast city planets or lone desert standalones is absurd. It reminds me of player ran cities way back in the day on SWG lol.
I've come to realize maybe I'm not a SW fan. Im mostly in the saga because of the prequels but Disney and the fandoms focus the OT has made me see I'm here for different reasons, and maybe it's best I just leave
Yeah. It did. Because when the prequels were wrongly hated (and while there can be some gripes I don’t think it is any worse than the OT) Lucas believed in them and continued until we got the best movie in the entire series with RotS. Then Disney did the Acolyte and cancelled their best show other than Andor because it wasn’t able to be a part of the Marvelization of the rest of the shows and had more pushback for no reason other than “I don’t get it” Watch it again, seriously the most well thought out, well written, and best content Disney has done (barring Andor, which is its own beast)
There is only one method to find out if you are Star Wars fan ... thankfully tho, it works every time with no exceptions: Step 1.) You ask yourself and yourself only: Am i? If your answer is "yes" ... then you are. If your answer is "no" ... then you are not. There is no step 2. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. ;)
Let me pitch to you like this, can you still go back to the original Terminator and see it as a masterpiece? What about Alien? Robocop? Jurassic Park? Spider-Man 1 & 2? Iron Man? Toy Story? …. Bob the Builder even? If the answer to more than half of those ends with a yes, then the answer should also be true Star Wars. You can ruin a brand, but you can’t ruin an individual film (okay maybe in Star Wars case you can depending on how you view the 3 remakes it has gotten, but you get the point).
Original Trilogy proves to me that Luke would NEVER have become what Disney turned him into, and my love for those films will never fade (and I also like Rogue One) 👍
They ruined Luke, Boba, Han, Obi-Wan, Lando, Thrawn, and other legacy characters in order to prop up their own characters, mostly female girl boss characters, with no backstory and unlimited plot armor. For Kennedy, it's all about Rey. For Filoni, it's all about Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Bo Katan, Fennec, Sabine, and the rest of his annoying and overrated Rebels crew. What they've done to Boba in the past 3 years is criminal. Jango and Boba got me into Star Wars when I was a kid, and now I only collect Jango merchandise. They nerfed and sidelined Boba in his own show, and then have ghosted him in everything since.
Star Wars and Marvel were what I grew up on as a kid with my dad, it's the 2 things we both could enjoy together. So I have a lot of love for the franchises, both of which being bought by Disney too, but in recent years following the sequels idk man I've grown more and more apathetic of Star Wars. Part of me still thinks of and wants some good Star Wars content, but everything is so interconnected that I can't find the good without being reminded and feeling like I have to go through so much bad that Disney has added. I still love Marvel, but imo they had 2 things working in their benefit compared to Star Wars they have had more recent hits they may be inconsistent in quality, but they do have some quality still and the bigger point is not everything is connected so if the movies are shitty I can still enjoy X-Men 97 or the Spider-Man games or Marvel Rivals completely standalone.
I think it’s a terrible thing to say if you don’t simp for Star Wars you aren’t a “real” fan. What are we 12? Expecting greatness from something you love is not because we aren’t fans but quite the opposite. Never gonna have a low bar because I’m a fan of something.
I’ll never watch the sequels again, but the ot and everything up to the phantom menace is still super special to me. We were super early vcr adopters and had the ot recorded off tv before they ever went on sale. It’s a trip to watch commercials from the mid 80’s!
I’m honestly not even sure I’m a Star Wars fan anymore. When my friends bring up Star Wars, I change the subject. I haven’t watched a Lucas Star Wars movie in probably 5 years. I still watch the Star Wars UA-camrs, but yeah…it’s just played out. I’m enjoying Dune more these days. Reading the books has kind of replaced Star Wars for me, for now.
For me it's been Gundam which seem to have present more interesting content an is able to take more risk, which made more so excited for it vs with star wars I barely keep up with it any more while I do still buy star wars merch it's mainly funko pops/mirco squadrons it's mostly based off the old content like the prequels or EU. not the new stuff
@ yeah, it’s possible. It’s a very rich world and a good story will ALWAYS be captivating. I just haven’t felt the emotional pull since probably the finale of Mando season 2. I also think John Williams score IS Star Wars. I personally feel it’s the biggest part of Star Wars success. So the more they leave his score behind…the more we lose our connection to the world. I’ll never forgot that feeling I got from the Rise of Skywalker trailer with the new version of the Star Wars theme. That was one of the last times I had that magic “Star Wars” feeling, and it was mostly due to an expert use of music.
I don’t think I’ve watched the original trilogy since the Disney films came out. They completely ruined everything for me, and I’m afraid revisiting the originals now would be heartbreaking. Even though I consider them non-canon, the fact that they wasted the last chance for a proper sequel trilogy-one that could have honored our heroes with grace-makes me furious. I’ve been watching Skeleton Crew and Andor (for free), and they’re fine, but no amount of good material can erase the fact that they COMPLETELY RUINED the original saga. It’s something that can never be undone. I still love the OT, and the memories, but i don't love Star Wars anymore. It just makes me sad.
Tbh I just accept the prequels and originals and that's it. I like some of the other stuff too but those are my canon. So no the sequels don't ruin the movies that came before.
At Attin is definitely the hook for me. I haven't watched much press on this show so I think that helps. Its been nice not hearing this or that before the show came out. I think that's helped me enjoy it. After a second watch, Fern has that spunk that Leia had in the OT and Wim comes across like a wishier and washier version of Luke. I guess KB can be the C3PO stand in and Neel the R2D2 stand in.
Yes... yes it does. I don't care about star wars anymore so why should I make my kids watch star wars. They are 7 and 9. I am 47 and have the original trilogy on VHS and DVDs both the original and special editions, and about 20 years of expanded universe in a box under my stairs (we moved and I just don't care to display them).
Disney can use my feelings against me. Star Wars will belong to Disney for the rest of my life. I don't like talking about Star Wars because it helps Disney.
the original versions of the original trilogy is all that has ever mattered to me. disney can do whatever they want with their IP.I don't care. as for lucas,comparing himself to michelangelo 😂😂 a sad broken old man that - as Ford Coppola stated - wasted his career making those space movie. 77-80-83 : IS ALL THAT MATTERS
For me personally sadly it's kinda just worn down my love of star wars with each terrible show/ film to the point where I've given up on star wars as a whole.
...i love George... ...i love LucasFilm... ...& i love STAR WARS... ...i have no love for Bob... ...i have no love for KennedyFilm... ...& i have no love for Disney Era Star Wars... ...George Lucas didn't just Make Movies, he Made Magic for Millions of Men, Women & Children... ...LucasFilms are Entertainment Par Excellence... ...& the Brilliance of STAR WARS will be Everlasting... ...Bob Iger bought Star Wars to Make Movies & Make Money, but has yet to Turn a Profit... ...KennedyFilms are Counterfeits... ...& the Virtue Signaling of Disney Era Star Wars is already Irrelevant... 👽 🖖 🤖
Disney changed widespread perception of the prequels by releasing underwhelming(not Andor) media. All Disney needs to do is sell Star Wars to Amazon and Rey will start winning those polls
Honestly Disneys impact on my love for Star Wars isn't that big. Sure, it's sad that we're not getting anything good anymore, but in my head canon, those are just bad fan fiction. I don't take them seriously anymore and don't associate them with Star Wars. Imo one person with his deranged takes did much more damage, namely Mark Hamill. I just can't separate him and Luke Skywalker anymore. Too many times did he wish the worst things possible upon people who have a different opinion than him. Everytime I see Luke Skywalker I see a screaming old man wishing death on people via twitter. I just can't watch the OT anymore, Mark Hamill ruined my childhood hero beyond repair for me. Which is why if I watch Star Wars it's the prequels, which I still love, or something from the extended universe.
Hey Thor. I need you to be blunt here. Forget the Star Wars Bias and the benefit of the doubt. How much of Disney's Star Wars would you actually recommend? For the sake of the question pretend everything they released isn't Star Wars and that it's just a generic Sci-Fi franchise.
Child of the seventies here, one of the "I was there" generation. So Nah, that will never change. Not even the sad insanity of Mark Hamill can dampen my love for Star Wars.
Yeah, me too. Nothing in the world of Star Wars compares to the splash that the original film made in the general consciousness back in 1977. It really was magical.
The Disney movies are a disaster but they don’t bother me when I watch the originals. I think that is because the prequels already spoiled Star Wars, as a whole, for me. I don’t plan to ever watch episodes 1-3 or 7-9 again.
hey thor - disney could never ruin star wars for me. lucas gave young people & the world a new mythology, with everything that entails. i know you get that based on how you talk about star wars and the force, your understanding of what lucas has talked about. regardless of who currently has the "official legal rights" to make content.....it belongs to all of us that carry it with us as mythology, and there is plenty of good stuff that comes from it apart from the corporation. disney-proof™ lol
While I can still enjoy the original 6 (and rogue one to be fair)- I can even enjoy the first 2 seasons of the mandalorian,- sadly the Disney trilogy, the boba fett show, the obi wan show and, the acoylte had damaged the rest of star wars monumentally as a brand - but especially the Disney trilogy - because all roads lead to blue-green milk on craggy island, Rey palpetine becoming the girl boss hero, han becoming a deadbeat dad etc. Kathleen Kennedy does not deserve to go out on a high. This is her mess and she does not deserve it. This all happened on her watch. At this stage, the franchise can burn for all I care. maybe someone more deserving will get the rights or stewardship some day and my grandkids will get to enjoy star wars again.
Disney has completely destroyed the originals!!!!! I no longer even watch them!!!!! Star Wars is not made for Star Wars fans it's made for the LGTBQ community, let them carry it for the next 40 years.
SW is tainted. Some will compartmentalize and say Disney's failure cannot dent their love for the originals but interest is a thing that needs to be cultivated. Whatever you're dedication....it will falter overtime, people just have different thresholds. The alphas won't save sw like the millennials did ( and like kk convinced Disney's higher ups ), they're watching animes and shorts on TikTok. There's 200 demons slayer t shirts for every sw crap out there. Current sw might be the greatest missed opportunity of modern culture.
I love Star Wars, and don't care for Disney Star Wars at all. Lucas' six movies are timeless cinematic masterpieces, while Disney Star Wars (live-action!) has been completely and utterly horrible, without exception. Granted, not everything has been as bad as Force Awakens, Rogue One and Andor, but it was pretty terrible overall 🤷🏼♀️
Since I gave up on Disney Star Wars after TFA, I am not very deeply affected by what came after. I look at it and roll my eyes, but that's about it. I made sure to purchase the OT which are the only movies I really enjoyed and I've kept the books that I really enjoyed. That can be enough Star Wars for me. I don't need new stuff anymore. Star Wars is something that happened in the past and now I look back on it fondly.
@@achaudhari101 Everything is building to the sequels with references and so on/ let remind you the future is Rey an her films with few being nostalgia pieces here or their. That is the future of the favorite regardless of anyone gripes with it. Everything else has been explored to death especially the clone wars/PT which is my favorite, but even I'm tried of it. That's what happen built yourself into a corner and have no idea where you want to take a long going franchise
@@achaudhari101 None of the advertising for the other things appealed to me. Even the ones that people have said are good don't really make me want to watch them. I like Star Wars because of Han, Luke and Leia. I like Star Wars because of the Jedi. I can get political intrigue anywhere. I just don't need that in Star Wars. I'm not telling anyone else not to watch them. I know things like Andor and Rogue One are generally considered to be good. I just don't care about them. That's why I stick to the things I do enjoy and make sure I have my own copies.
@@achaudhari101 Since I don't own any of them (or the prequels either, actually), functionally, they don't exist for me. I don't bother making an argument about it. I'm not going to be buying any of the other shows unless something appeals to me.
That's assuming people don't just consider the butchered source material as bad as what's shown on screen. Example is people who hear Thrawn spoken of so reverently in the fandom, who watch Rebels and Ahsoka, and wonder what the big deal is about him because they never read the novels.
TBH, I fell out of love with "the saga" in 1983. For most of my adult life, "Star Wars" has basically been 2 great films that were everything to me in my childhood, and that I still really enjoy every time I see them. While the majority of Disney's contributions have been an abomination, Rogue One and Andor have been everything I've wanted from the franchise for years. I count my own canon on just one hand, but it's gold to me.
ROTJ isn't a terrible film for me personally, but the Ewoks were a dumb invention, which probably started the trend of shoving cute creatures into Star Wars. Plus, the pacing was awful. The acting was medicore, and Han and Leia felt like shells of their former selves. Luke, Vader, and Palpatine were great, though.
Sadly, we live in an era where the line between what's subjectivity bad and objectively bad is so blurry. "This thing sucks" "Why?" "Because it is. And you're an idiot for not agreeing."
I thought of the question, shortly after TLJ: Does the average person now think of luke Skywalker as the guy that became a sad old man, and died while meditating? Anecdotally, it would seem the answer is no.
Looks times change in Star Wars. That's a good thing. That's how good thing lead the bad thing lead to more good things. We got to get used to we got to accept the people.
There's nothing wrong with having higher standards in life. Those of us who accept just anything tend to have all kinds of things in their lives that they don't need, other than just crappy Star Wars.
Sequels: "Look how old you've become."
OT: "Something far worse has happened to you!"
My response to that in life is "Old, and WISE." A lot of people forget there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom.
I think it's hard to watch the original films in a vacuum. I can tell my brain that "Disney Star Wars doesn't count" etc., but deep down I can't shake the sadness of what happened to the franchise. It's just not the same for me any more.
Sadly thats exactly where I am. In the almost 30 years prior to TRoS I watched the original trilogy probably three times a year. More sometimes. I havnt watched it since 2019. I try to convince myself to just pretend the Disney stuff doesn't exist, but it all just still feels tarnished. I can't watch the OT and not have what Disney did to all the characters in the back of my head.
While I can still enjoy the original 6 (and rogue one to be fair)- I can even enjoy the first 2 seasons of the mandalorian,- sadly the Disney trilogy, the boba fett show, the obi wan show and, the acoylte had damaged the rest of star wars monumentally as a brand - but especially the Disney trilogy - because all roads lead to blue-green milk on craggy island, Rey palpetine becoming the girl boss hero, han becoming a deadbeat dad etc.
Kathleen Kennedy does not deserve to go out on a high. This is her mess and she does not deserve it. This all happened on her watch.
At this stage, the franchise can burn for all I care. maybe someone more deserving will get the rights or stewardship some day and my grandkids will get to enjoy star wars again.
@@genghisgahan9623You nailed part of my feeling here. It's hard to feel that same thrill of Han and Leia _finally_ getting together when "canon" says that it all goes to hell. It's hard to celebrate Luke's victory when "canon" says he'll become a bitter old hermit. Even though I reject the sequels, having that "official" ending to our story cheapens it.
If you haven't read Heir to Empire, I'd recommend it. Restore optimism. Though I'd stick with Bantam era.
NJO and beyond get dark in an unpleasant way. Still less bleak than sequels. Han and Leia stay strong.
@@TheChristianPsychopath I've read the Thrawn trilogy several times. They're amazing. But that's just another character they've completely ruined under Disney. He's a complete joke now. So sad.
It does change how I feel about thw original and prequel trilogies. It makes me realize how much better they were and how much passion went into them
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me.
I still treasure the pre-Disney era, but I certainly don't revisit it as frequently as I used to. It doesn't have the same emotional hold on me as it used to.
I miss feeling excited about Star Wars and eager to indulge in it.
If anything, Disney SW made me appreciate the original 6 movies and EU even more than I already did.
Aside from Rogue One and Andor, the amount of damage Disney inflicted in this franchise is just unbelievable.
Yup, my exact thoughts. Nothing can take away my love for the OT
Damage that can be fixed mostly.
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me
@ Yet it does not always make “fanfiction”.
@@achaudhari101
Still waiting for the fix.
Funny I should find this video in this moment, as I turn on A New Hope to remember how much I love Star Wars. And I still love it. It flabbergasts me how much Disney has effed it up, but nothing can ruin the OT for me.
Nothing will ever detract from my love of the first 6 films (the OT in particular). It even makes me love them more. It reminds me that 45+ years on, they are still amazing films, and it makes me wonder how it could have fallen so low (with the odd exception like Rogue One).
In regards to the first question ,I have my own head canon which includes the Original and Prequel Trilogies with Rogue One and Andor fitting in nicely with them.
I'll give credit where it is due with Disney in regards to Andor and RO.
And the games and animated shows?
Andor got a 2nd season. It's canon. Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi and the Acolyte didn't get 2nd seasons. They're not canon. Ahsoka got a 2nd season, but I've got mixed feelings on that one.
No amount of shitty Disney "Star Wars" can ever take away my love of the original trilogy.
Couldn't agree more
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me
Amen
That's true. I just watched the original trilogy in the cinema. Had only seen Empire in cinema before. It really was an amazing experience for me. It reignited my enthusiasm for Star Wars. I just wished I could have seen the original versions and not the special editions as the cgi hasn't aged well at all.
@@StefSis I honestly don't see why everyone hates the CGI so much... is it perfect? no.. but it still adds to the overall aesthetic imho
No, Disney can't ruin how I feel about anything that George did or made. I was way too old for that to happen when Disney got their grubby hands on it in 2012.
Im not tired of Star Wars, I’m tired of Disney Star Wars.
That’s actually really good advice for relationships, not just with Star Wars. Choose to keep loving someone or something even as they/you/your life changes.
Going back to the analogy, though, I have noticed that as I grow older the wonder of first experiencing certain movies or books feels less new and exciting. I have had to make a conscious effort (at least a conscious choice) to keep revisiting those old stories and shows from my childhood.
One thing that has helped is sharing them with other people, or talking to someone who already is a fan. Seeing someone else’s love for that story, or seeing someone experience that for the very first time helps me recall some of that wonder. Also, revisiting them after a while sometimes reawakens those memories.
As a public school teacher, if it is Dystopian, it kind of reminds me of the early teen books the Elder or Holes. Widely used in middle school classes. It would make sense to explore those topics with kids at that almost rebellious age. Both also become very popular with students. Don’t under estimate our youth…yet 🤪
The Original Trilogy will always hold a place in my heart. While I don't hate everything Disney Star Wars, I quote Jor-El in Man of Steel: I will honor the man you once were, Star Wars. Not this monster you've become.
I never saw anything Star Wars before 2020, when I happened to walk past a pizza lunch group at work and they invited me to have some pizza and join them watching Star Wars. I saw the sequels before I ever saw the prequels. Since then I’ve been consuming more Star Wars content, mostly from the original EU. Timothy Zahn has quickly become one of my favorite authors.
My dislike of the Disney era is mostly because they either went into the films without a concrete plan or let the plan get derailed and turned the sequels into a mess. Han, Luke, and Leia all dying and getting replaced by Disney OCs (and whether or not any of them are self-inserts) wouldn’t have bothered me if the stories themselves were good.
One thing I noticed in that work lunch group was that they strongly revered the originals and were really into the movies, and one guy told me that General Grievous was his favorite villain in anything ever. Then when it came to the sequels they enjoyed the Force Awakens, but in The Last Jedi they weren’t as interested in the film and were mostly laughing at the Porgs and Luke drinking milk from a Dr. Seuss creature. Then during Rise of Skywalker they spent most of the movie discussing what to watch after and decided on Black Panther. It was as if they played the film out of obligation and not because they really wanted to.
So as someone who never knew the films before Disney, I can’t know if Disney would have ruined them for me in any way. What I can say is I still enjoy the original 6 and the expanded universe.
My prequel experience was like this. Rewatching those movies and seeing the love Lucas put into them in spite of their imperfect execution, and it highlights the vapid, corporate garbage theyre making nowadays.
If anything I see the OT as even stronger now because I can see how truly special they are.
Some days just aren't the right days to watch certain movies. There have been plenty of times when I've started to watch a movie I thought I wanted to watch but haven't felt it on the day. Just give it a break and try again another time.
The "Disney-SW Nonsense-Bullshit Non-Canon Sequel-Trilogy", including most of Dismal Disney-SW in general, is good for only 1 thing... it changed my mind about finaly collecting the old Dark Horse comics (The Empire, The Rebellion, The New Republic)
They could probably do a revolution between seasons if they wanted. That kinda lets them gloss over the darker side and keep it mostly kid friendly, but also lets the event take place and they could explore some of the aftermath... plus it leaves open the opportunity to explore that for a book, comics, or a video game. I think it'd be pretty awesome if we could play a video game set between seasons of a show or something. Honestly, I'm still waiting for some company to do what Syfy was supposed to with Defiance; tie in the video game and the choices we make into future seasons. Honestly, probably easier with movies. Release one in like 2026, the game a month later, collect the data of what choices players make by the end of the year, write it into the sequel through 2027 and release the next movie in late 2028. Boom.
Nobody has ever actually delivered on that premise, and allowing fans to affect the future of a franchise directly seems like the coolest thing ever, imo. Cross-media interaction. Epic. Honestly, Disney is probably one of the only companies large enough to be able to pull it off. Especially since they make movies and video games, more or less. Ubisoft could maybe do it if their foray into movies didn't flop... Sony maybe could but their movies haven't been good in years... It has to be Disney, basically.
Disney Wars made me love the franchise even more. The original 6 movies tell the greatest story of all time.
My big thing about how Disney has handled things is that it makes me feel like the chosen one or Anakins sacrifice means less than it did before. Even if I try to forget the sequel trilogy all I think is that "somehow Palpatine returned".
Honestly, the state of modern Star Wars got me to replay The Force Unleashed's Wii version. Beat it in three days (with both endings) and absolutely loved it. I'd honestly forgotten how good some of the old EU stuff could be
Anytime I feel apathetic towards modern Star Wars, I just watch George Lucas 6 movies, the clone wars shows or read the EU books and I am reminded why I am still a Star Wars fan. For me Disney does not make real Star Wars anymore just fan fiction, sure there is some good stuff but I mostly dislike what they make and ignore it completely. For me the EU and everything pre Disney that I love is its own Star Wars and I have my own head canon they will never ruin that for me
Hey Thor,
I have a question for a lightning response video: what is your opinion of the Lego Star Wars Games? I’ve seen you played the Skywalker Saga one, but what about the rest?
I’ve 100%ed all I’ve played (original, classic trilogy, Clone Wars, Skywalker Saga) and found them really entertaining and fun to play together with friends! My personal highlight was the VS mode where you play one on one with a friend and take control of bases against one another. Also from a game design perspective it’s really interesting how these games evolved from really simplistic “collect every character figure“ in the first game to basically a big hub world in the Clone Wars game and finally an open-world(ish) explorable galaxy in Skywalker Saga.
Would be fun to here your thoughts on this if you have any you’d like to share, love your videos, may the force be with you.
Hey Thor , thanks for your point in this video , I honestly do hate everything that Disney has done with Star Wars but I’m not as much a hurry to see every new content as I use to be .
Hey Thor, I could be way off on the timelines but what do you think about Cassians homeworld being one of the other treasure planets. There was obviously a huge mining operation and maybe the flashbacks we saw was the start of the destruction of these hidden treasure planets.
Would love to hear you talk more about Marvel and maybe even Game of Thrones
I think I appreciate the content Lucas created more than I used to because I'm dubious we will be getting anything else at that level after Andor S2.
Disney SW is expensive fan fic what ifs, thats it. I view it totally separate from the George Lucas legacy
It is. It's a completely separate universe, with different rules altogether.
I have the same opinion. All my love goes to the original trilogy and its mythic, fairy tale world, a world which Disney, which used to do fairy tales so well, cannot seem to understand.
The Sequels, not Rouge One or Solo (I liked those films) made me reevaluate the Prequels' dialog. "I hate sand" line doesn't seem that bad anymore. Plus it made me appreciate EU books like Crystal Star, Dark Empire, and Children of the Jedi because they are not the worst thing that happened to Star Wars.
I honestly hope At Attin is planned like this due to mystery
I still enjoy the first 6 movies, I guess if I think about it makes me sad at how much Disney has messed up and I don’t have 9 movies to enjoy.
Also hopefully if the Skeleton Crew is successful they take away the right messages and don’t just try to duplicate it
Having been born in 1990 I’m definitely in the prequel generation but I actually did the OT first on VHS (not even the Special Editions mind you, indeed my VHS of ROTJ even has scenes missing, like the Executor crashing into the Death Star II) and my stepbrother, who was born in '95, always said “the prequels are better than the OT because they have better effects” when we were kids. Finally I did manage to convince him that the OT are the better films from a film-making perspective at least (we all know the stuff about actual sets and location shooting vs. endless blue screen).
So no, I don’t think the love for Lucas’ Star Wars, all six of them, is necessarily tarnished by whatever Disney does. Additionally, I’ve recently been enjoying classic games like the original Battlefront II (and Empire at War), no amount of EA Battlefront can change that.
The prequels are better films because they have better acting, a more nuanced story, more interesting characters and world-building. The effects have nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, I always preferred the lightsaber fights in the OT 🤷🏼♀️
@ wait, the prequels have better acting than the OT? I’m sorry, I love the prequels but the acting is in some places (Episode II especially) average at best. And the cinematography is worse too, so many static shots with A camera/B camera setups.
The story is excellent and Ewan McGregor or Christopher Lee, as well as Ian MacDiarmid shine through with good acting here and there, but even Lucas himself has admitted often enough that he isn’t a really good director.
@smintili Apparently Lucas's self-deprecating humor ("all I manage is faster and more intense") went completely over your head 😅
Yes, the acting in the prequels is much better. Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill were never good actors, and their performance is average at most. The main actors in the prequels were all outstanding, particularly Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman. The cinematography is awsome, especially if compared to the Disney garbage. In the words of Natalie Portman, Lucas' films are "eye candy", and that's exactly what they are 🤷🏼♀️
@ ok, now I know you’re just trolling 😂
Hayden‘s performance in II is mostly awkward and terrible which the character shouldn’t be all the time and Natalie Portman does a fine job but never excels really, the dialogue is way too stiff for that (although that’s generally a problem with Lucas), and in III Hayden does a better job but he is propped up by MacDiarmid and McGregor and doesn’t have that many scenes with Portman. And yes, Hamill and Fisher aren’t exactly Olivier or Welles either, but they managed to make their characters feel more realistic anyway. Also Leia and Han’s romance feels more genuine than Anakin and Padme‘s in Empire and Clones respectively.
@smintili Well, you're obviously trolling. No way anybody finds Hamill's or Fisher's acting more believable than Portman's. Just ridiculous 🙈
To be honest, I have yet to see a single scene of bad (or "wooden" 😂) acting and hear a single line of bad dialogue in the prequels.
It's just not there 🤷🏼♀️
Or are they on some kind of hidden track after the actual films? 🤔
I never liked the movies just in general but I liked them as a guiding light to the fundamentals of star wars i loved kotor 2 for its philosophical appreciation of star wars I loved kotor 1 for the relationships built and the story of revan. I loved the bane trilogy for how it really flushed out how systematic the sith had to become and just how well told the story was. I loved the old animated clone wars series for the fact that it respected the villians and made them genuine threats. I find my apathy comes from the fact that there just isn't that happening in star wars anymore and everyone's trying to tell some version of a fast forwarded anakin to vader back to anakin anti hero story repeatedly and it's exhausting cause no one does an anti hero right anymore and that's all everyone keeps trying to build lol
i dont consider disney star wars cannon. the saga ends at RTOTJ for me
Same. I hated the Prequels as well! For me Star Wars is the OT, Rogue One and Andor.
@@sunilsolanki in my world bobba fett is still being slowly digested in sarlacs stomach 🤣
The last question asked is why At Attin gives me Vault-Tec experiment vibes.
Hey Thor. I love your content. I also like to argue with people about Star Wars and I hope I don't offend people on here when I do so.
I think we all come from different viewpoints on Star Wars but we also almost all feel slighted in one way or another. Do you think they'll ever give us a show or movies to fill the gap between The OT and the ST with the Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando, or will we just have to go with our own head canon/ the lengends stuff forever? Disney isn't going anywhere any time soon and successful or not, I can't imagin them giving up Star Wars either.
The only thing that is ruined is the official canon, but thankfully that can be ignored before and after certain points (i.e. before The Phantom Menace because of The Acolyte, and after Return of the Jedi because of the sequels) and they haven't messed up anything between TPM and RotJ as Rogue One and Andor have been excellent and worthy additions to George Lucas canon.
No revolution on At Attin, but on discovering the meaning of the ‘great work’, the kids’ll have to decide whether to return/stay. This ends with friends going separate ways.
Just like with the EU I will enjoy what I like and not worry over much what I don’t like and that’s gonna be okay with me.
Hey Thor, cant wait for the blue elephant kid to grow uo and be hunted for his ivory, now thats a television series!
So tired of the issue of the suburban feel on Skeleton Crew, it is a large galaxy and to think everyone lives in vast city planets or lone desert standalones is absurd. It reminds me of player ran cities way back in the day on SWG lol.
I've come to realize maybe I'm not a SW fan. Im mostly in the saga because of the prequels but Disney and the fandoms focus the OT has made me see I'm here for different reasons, and maybe it's best I just leave
Yeah. It did. Because when the prequels were wrongly hated (and while there can be some gripes I don’t think it is any worse than the OT) Lucas believed in them and continued until we got the best movie in the entire series with RotS.
Then Disney did the Acolyte and cancelled their best show other than Andor because it wasn’t able to be a part of the Marvelization of the rest of the shows and had more pushback for no reason other than “I don’t get it”
Watch it again, seriously the most well thought out, well written, and best content Disney has done (barring Andor, which is its own beast)
There is only one method to find out if you are Star Wars fan ... thankfully tho, it works every time with no exceptions:
Step 1.) You ask yourself and yourself only: Am i?
If your answer is "yes" ... then you are.
If your answer is "no" ... then you are not.
There is no step 2.
Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. ;)
Let me pitch to you like this, can you still go back to the original Terminator and see it as a masterpiece? What about Alien? Robocop? Jurassic Park? Spider-Man 1 & 2? Iron Man? Toy Story? …. Bob the Builder even?
If the answer to more than half of those ends with a yes, then the answer should also be true Star Wars. You can ruin a brand, but you can’t ruin an individual film (okay maybe in Star Wars case you can depending on how you view the 3 remakes it has gotten, but you get the point).
Original Trilogy proves to me that Luke would NEVER have become what Disney turned him into, and my love for those films will never fade (and I also like Rogue One) 👍
They ruined Luke, Boba, Han, Obi-Wan, Lando, Thrawn, and other legacy characters in order to prop up their own characters, mostly female girl boss characters, with no backstory and unlimited plot armor. For Kennedy, it's all about Rey. For Filoni, it's all about Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Bo Katan, Fennec, Sabine, and the rest of his annoying and overrated Rebels crew. What they've done to Boba in the past 3 years is criminal. Jango and Boba got me into Star Wars when I was a kid, and now I only collect Jango merchandise. They nerfed and sidelined Boba in his own show, and then have ghosted him in everything since.
The quality of Disney Star Wars has just made me get into the EU
It does ruin the real 6 movies to some extent but they will never ruin my love for them
in a word… COMPARTMENTALIZATION!!! 😅
A New Hope is an amazing movie even if there are things in it you can nitpick
Hey Thor: I was wondering, should they use the Lucas version of sequels with Darth Maul and Darth Talon in it? I just want your opinion.
Star Wars and Marvel were what I grew up on as a kid with my dad, it's the 2 things we both could enjoy together. So I have a lot of love for the franchises, both of which being bought by Disney too, but in recent years following the sequels idk man I've grown more and more apathetic of Star Wars. Part of me still thinks of and wants some good Star Wars content, but everything is so interconnected that I can't find the good without being reminded and feeling like I have to go through so much bad that Disney has added. I still love Marvel, but imo they had 2 things working in their benefit compared to Star Wars they have had more recent hits they may be inconsistent in quality, but they do have some quality still and the bigger point is not everything is connected so if the movies are shitty I can still enjoy X-Men 97 or the Spider-Man games or Marvel Rivals completely standalone.
Unfortunately, it does for me
I think it’s a terrible thing to say if you don’t simp for Star Wars you aren’t a “real” fan. What are we 12? Expecting greatness from something you love is not because we aren’t fans but quite the opposite. Never gonna have a low bar because I’m a fan of something.
I’ll never watch the sequels again, but the ot and everything up to the phantom menace is still super special to me. We were super early vcr adopters and had the ot recorded off tv before they ever went on sale. It’s a trip to watch commercials from the mid 80’s!
Thanks Thor!! Please let this be the WIN!! Happy Retirement Kathleen!!
I’m honestly not even sure I’m a Star Wars fan anymore. When my friends bring up Star Wars, I change the subject. I haven’t watched a Lucas Star Wars movie in probably 5 years. I still watch the Star Wars UA-camrs, but yeah…it’s just played out. I’m enjoying Dune more these days. Reading the books has kind of replaced Star Wars for me, for now.
I have faith Star Wars will get your interest back eventually. Then you can enjoy both Star Wars and Dune.
For me it's been Gundam which seem to have present more interesting content an is able to take more risk, which made more so excited for it vs with star wars I barely keep up with it any more while I do still buy star wars merch it's mainly funko pops/mirco squadrons it's mostly based off the old content like the prequels or EU. not the new stuff
@ yeah, it’s possible. It’s a very rich world and a good story will ALWAYS be captivating. I just haven’t felt the emotional pull since probably the finale of Mando season 2. I also think John Williams score IS Star Wars. I personally feel it’s the biggest part of Star Wars success. So the more they leave his score behind…the more we lose our connection to the world.
I’ll never forgot that feeling I got from the Rise of Skywalker trailer with the new version of the Star Wars theme. That was one of the last times I had that magic “Star Wars” feeling, and it was mostly due to an expert use of music.
I don’t think I’ve watched the original trilogy since the Disney films came out. They completely ruined everything for me, and I’m afraid revisiting the originals now would be heartbreaking. Even though I consider them non-canon, the fact that they wasted the last chance for a proper sequel trilogy-one that could have honored our heroes with grace-makes me furious. I’ve been watching Skeleton Crew and Andor (for free), and they’re fine, but no amount of good material can erase the fact that they COMPLETELY RUINED the original saga. It’s something that can never be undone. I still love the OT, and the memories, but i don't love Star Wars anymore. It just makes me sad.
Tbh I just accept the prequels and originals and that's it. I like some of the other stuff too but those are my canon. So no the sequels don't ruin the movies that came before.
Just saw that question the other day and literally thought "cant wait for next week's video".
At Attin is definitely the hook for me. I haven't watched much press on this show so I think that helps. Its been nice not hearing this or that before the show came out. I think that's helped me enjoy it. After a second watch, Fern has that spunk that Leia had in the OT and Wim comes across like a wishier and washier version of Luke. I guess KB can be the C3PO stand in and Neel the R2D2 stand in.
Scourge fans rise up
Yes... yes it does. I don't care about star wars anymore so why should I make my kids watch star wars. They are 7 and 9. I am 47 and have the original trilogy on VHS and DVDs both the original and special editions, and about 20 years of expanded universe in a box under my stairs (we moved and I just don't care to display them).
Disney can use my feelings against me. Star Wars will belong to Disney for the rest of my life. I don't like talking about Star Wars because it helps Disney.
the original versions of the original trilogy is all that has ever mattered to me.
disney can do whatever they want with their IP.I don't care.
as for lucas,comparing himself to michelangelo 😂😂
a sad broken old man that - as Ford Coppola stated - wasted his career making
those space movie.
77-80-83 : IS ALL THAT MATTERS
For me personally sadly it's kinda just worn down my love of star wars with each terrible show/ film to the point where I've given up on star wars as a whole.
...i love George...
...i love LucasFilm...
...& i love STAR WARS...
...i have no love for Bob...
...i have no love for KennedyFilm...
...& i have no love for Disney Era Star Wars...
...George Lucas didn't just Make Movies, he Made Magic for Millions of Men, Women & Children...
...LucasFilms are Entertainment Par Excellence...
...& the Brilliance of STAR WARS will be Everlasting...
...Bob Iger bought Star Wars to Make Movies & Make Money, but has yet to Turn a Profit...
...KennedyFilms are Counterfeits...
...& the Virtue Signaling of Disney Era Star Wars is already Irrelevant...
👽 🖖 🤖
Disney changed widespread perception of the prequels by releasing underwhelming(not Andor) media. All Disney needs to do is sell Star Wars to Amazon and Rey will start winning those polls
Andor was very underwhelming 🤷🏼♀️
Honestly Disneys impact on my love for Star Wars isn't that big. Sure, it's sad that we're not getting anything good anymore, but in my head canon, those are just bad fan fiction. I don't take them seriously anymore and don't associate them with Star Wars.
Imo one person with his deranged takes did much more damage, namely Mark Hamill. I just can't separate him and Luke Skywalker anymore. Too many times did he wish the worst things possible upon people who have a different opinion than him. Everytime I see Luke Skywalker I see a screaming old man wishing death on people via twitter.
I just can't watch the OT anymore, Mark Hamill ruined my childhood hero beyond repair for me. Which is why if I watch Star Wars it's the prequels, which I still love, or something from the extended universe.
Hey Thor. I need you to be blunt here. Forget the Star Wars Bias and the benefit of the doubt. How much of Disney's Star Wars would you actually recommend? For the sake of the question pretend everything they released isn't Star Wars and that it's just a generic Sci-Fi franchise.
If anything else. In the end it shows Disney’s true greedy face when it comes to handling beloved franchises. The end to make money.
Child of the seventies here, one of the "I was there" generation. So Nah, that will never change. Not even the sad insanity of Mark Hamill can dampen my love for Star Wars.
Yeah, me too. Nothing in the world of Star Wars compares to the splash that the original film made in the general consciousness back in 1977. It really was magical.
Te prequels didn’t ruin my love of the real trilogy and the Disney trilogy didn’t either.
Skeleton crew is not canon for me
The Disney movies are a disaster but they don’t bother me when I watch the originals. I think that is because the prequels already spoiled Star Wars, as a whole, for me. I don’t plan to ever watch episodes 1-3 or 7-9 again.
The original 6 films???? No.
hey thor - disney could never ruin star wars for me. lucas gave young people & the world a new mythology, with everything that entails. i know you get that based on how you talk about star wars and the force, your understanding of what lucas has talked about. regardless of who currently has the "official legal rights" to make content.....it belongs to all of us that carry it with us as mythology, and there is plenty of good stuff that comes from it apart from the corporation. disney-proof™ lol
While I can still enjoy the original 6 (and rogue one to be fair)- I can even enjoy the first 2 seasons of the mandalorian,- sadly the Disney trilogy, the boba fett show, the obi wan show and, the acoylte had damaged the rest of star wars monumentally as a brand - but especially the Disney trilogy - because all roads lead to blue-green milk on craggy island, Rey palpetine becoming the girl boss hero, han becoming a deadbeat dad etc.
Kathleen Kennedy does not deserve to go out on a high. This is her mess and she does not deserve it. This all happened on her watch.
At this stage, the franchise can burn for all I care. maybe someone more deserving will get the rights or stewardship some day and my grandkids will get to enjoy star wars again.
Disney has completely destroyed the originals!!!!! I no longer even watch them!!!!! Star Wars is not made for Star Wars fans it's made for the LGTBQ community, let them carry it for the next 40 years.
SW is tainted. Some will compartmentalize and say Disney's failure cannot dent their love for the originals but interest is a thing that needs to be cultivated. Whatever you're dedication....it will falter overtime, people just have different thresholds. The alphas won't save sw like the millennials did ( and like kk convinced Disney's higher ups ), they're watching animes and shorts on TikTok. There's 200 demons slayer t shirts for every sw crap out there.
Current sw might be the greatest missed opportunity of modern culture.
The sequels are so "not Star Wars" I think of them like a badly done fan film. The Heir to the Empire trilogy are the true sequels.
I love Star Wars, and don't care for Disney Star Wars at all.
Lucas' six movies are timeless cinematic masterpieces, while Disney Star Wars (live-action!) has been completely and utterly horrible, without exception.
Granted, not everything has been as bad as Force Awakens, Rogue One and Andor, but it was pretty terrible overall 🤷🏼♀️
Since I gave up on Disney Star Wars after TFA, I am not very deeply affected by what came after. I look at it and roll my eyes, but that's about it. I made sure to purchase the OT which are the only movies I really enjoyed and I've kept the books that I really enjoyed. That can be enough Star Wars for me. I don't need new stuff anymore. Star Wars is something that happened in the past and now I look back on it fondly.
You gave up yet there’s more than the Sequels to enjoy it.
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Everything is building to the sequels with references and so on/ let remind you the future is Rey an her films with few being nostalgia pieces here or their. That is the future of the favorite regardless of anyone gripes with it. Everything else has been explored to death especially the clone wars/PT which is my favorite, but even I'm tried of it.
That's what happen built yourself into a corner and have no idea where you want to take a long going franchise
@@achaudhari101 None of the advertising for the other things appealed to me. Even the ones that people have said are good don't really make me want to watch them. I like Star Wars because of Han, Luke and Leia. I like Star Wars because of the Jedi. I can get political intrigue anywhere. I just don't need that in Star Wars.
I'm not telling anyone else not to watch them. I know things like Andor and Rogue One are generally considered to be good. I just don't care about them. That's why I stick to the things I do enjoy and make sure I have my own copies.
@ I mean you can use the different era argument and pretend the Sequels (First/Final Order Era) doesn’t exist.
@@achaudhari101 Since I don't own any of them (or the prequels either, actually), functionally, they don't exist for me. I don't bother making an argument about it. I'm not going to be buying any of the other shows unless something appeals to me.
I'm out baby! I'm out. Sell Lucas Film and retcon the sequels. Then we'll talk.
The butchered DiSSney stuff just highlights how good the older stuff is.
Not all of it.
That's assuming people don't just consider the butchered source material as bad as what's shown on screen. Example is people who hear Thrawn spoken of so reverently in the fandom, who watch Rebels and Ahsoka, and wonder what the big deal is about him because they never read the novels.
Is Star Wars dead?
TBH, I fell out of love with "the saga" in 1983. For most of my adult life, "Star Wars" has basically been 2 great films that were everything to me in my childhood, and that I still really enjoy every time I see them. While the majority of Disney's contributions have been an abomination, Rogue One and Andor have been everything I've wanted from the franchise for years. I count my own canon on just one hand, but it's gold to me.
ROTJ isn't a terrible film for me personally, but the Ewoks were a dumb invention, which probably started the trend of shoving cute creatures into Star Wars. Plus, the pacing was awful. The acting was medicore, and Han and Leia felt like shells of their former selves. Luke, Vader, and Palpatine were great, though.
Sadly, we live in an era where the line between what's subjectivity bad and objectively bad is so blurry.
"This thing sucks"
"Why?"
"Because it is. And you're an idiot for not agreeing."
Disney star wars is not great it that simple😉
The right answer to that question should always be “No” especially if it’s a negative perception of Lucas Star Wars.
I thought of the question, shortly after TLJ: Does the average person now think of luke Skywalker as the guy that became a sad old man, and died while meditating?
Anecdotally, it would seem the answer is no.
The EU's Luke is my Luke.
Looks times change in Star Wars. That's a good thing. That's how good thing lead the bad thing lead to more good things. We got to get used to we got to accept the people.
There's nothing wrong with having higher standards in life. Those of us who accept just anything tend to have all kinds of things in their lives that they don't need, other than just crappy Star Wars.
First commenter is absolutely capping
"Original 6 movies" there are only 3 original movies.
The other 6 are not in the same universe it feels like.
How dont the prequels feel the same?
Star Wars is dead to me
No it does not